RE: Going Debian: advice request
The way I do it if I want an unstable package is to add unstable to my sources.list, apt-get update apt-get install package -s If all looks OK then I go ahead and do it. Sometimes it will want to upgrade a whole lot of stuff, in which case I don't do it. Tim -Original Message- From: Gregory Guthrie [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 112000 4:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Going Debian: advice request At 04:43 PM 12/11/2000 -0500, Randy Edwards wrote: but I´d like to have some packages in more bleeding-edge versions. Any problem about that? Should I install woody instead if I intend to use non-stable packages? Woody's definitely unstable... -- Second that. I have had two installs (upgrades potato - woody) trip over their own dependencies and fail. A real waste of time! Good luck. Gregory Gregory Guthrie [EMAIL PROTECTED] (641)472-1125Fax: -1103
RE: Going Debian: advice request
The way I do it if I want an unstable package is to add unstable to my sources.list, apt-get update apt-get install package -s If all looks OK then I go ahead and do it. Sometimes it will want to upgrade a whole lot of stuff, in which case I don't do it. What I do is download the source of the package and build it, that always seems to work (only thing that can go wrong are the install-scripts).
Re: Going Debian: advice request
On Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 11:40:15AM +0100, Sebastiaan wrote: Hi, On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Rodolfo Canet-Castello wrote: Hi all more bleeding-edge versions. Any problem about that? Should I install woody instead if I intend to use non-stable packages? With apt (Debian package manager) you can choose if you would like to install stable or unstable versions. Be aware that upgrading to certain woody packages may also upgrade your libc6 and that can break other potato packages. I have tried combining potato and woody by installing woody packages but had to revert to a full potato system. What I do now to avoid the libc6 problem is to compile the woody source on potato and install the resulting debian package. This method is not without it's problems. Example: I installed ruby 1.6 this way and when I tried to install the new ruby's apache module I had to upgrade my apache. Compiling apache's sources, however, requires installation of a lot of other woody packages. In the end I just decided not to work with the ruby/apache combination anymore. Johann -- J.H. Spies - Tel. 082 782 0336 / 023 55 11 568 Be of good courage, and he shall strengthen your heart, all ye that hope in the LORD. Psalms 31:24
Going Debian: advice request
Hi all After long doubts and four years using Linux, I'm finally decided to use Debian as my distro and not change anymore. Would you kindly clear some things to me? I'm thinking of installing potato, since am really fed up of half-boiled distros (RH7, for instance), but I´d like to have some packages in more bleeding-edge versions. Any problem about that? Should I install woody instead if I intend to use non-stable packages? -After reading Debian docs, I don't get how updating works. Should I expect stable packages of gnome 1.2, XFree 4, etc.for potato or they're reserved for when woody becomes stable? In different words: through updating, does potato become woody, or potato doesn't change and it's woody what will change until stability? -How stable is unstable? I'm not running a server, should I go to woody directly? I know these are questions are very newby-like, but you don't know how different Debian sounds for a Red Hat/Mandrake guy. Thanks for all. * Dr. Rodolfo Canet-Castello Instituto Valenciano de Investigaciones Agrarias (IVIA) Dpto. Recursos Naturales Aptdo. oficial. 46113-Moncada (Valencia). ESPAÑA-SPAIN. Phone: 34-96-1391000 Fax: 34-96-1390240 Web page: http://www.ivia.es * Web page of Spanish Group of Soil Enzymology: http://www.ivia.es/soilenzymology/ *
Re: Going Debian: advice request
Hi, On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Rodolfo Canet-Castello wrote: Hi all After long doubts and four years using Linux, I'm finally decided to use Debian as my distro and not change anymore. Would you kindly clear some things to me? I'm thinking of installing potato, since am really fed up of half-boiled distros (RH7, for instance), but I´d like to have some packages in more bleeding-edge versions. Any problem about that? Should I install woody instead if I intend to use non-stable packages? With apt (Debian package manager) you can choose if you would like to install stable or unstable versions. I know these are questions are very newby-like, but you don't know how different Debian sounds for a Red Hat/Mandrake guy. Thanks for all. I have used Redhat before swithching to Debian. The most differnces I encountered is the /etc/ directory. The bootproces is slightly different, but mutually. The biggest adventure for me when switching to Debian is the package management, which is way better than rpm. Furthermore Debian is more developed for people who want to play with their system. Greetz, Sebastiaan
Re: Going Debian: advice request
To answer one of your questions Once a stable version is released, it only gets updated (primarily) with security fixes. In other words, you won't see XFree 4.X, etc. in potato. So potato will never become woody, but rather woody will become frozen for testing, and then stable when it's released. As soon as woody goes frozen, a new unstable branch is started to pick up where woody left off. Tom Rodolfo Canet-Castello wrote: Hi all After long doubts and four years using Linux, I'm finally decided to use Debian as my distro and not change anymore. Would you kindly clear some things to me? I'm thinking of installing potato, since am really fed up of half-boiled distros (RH7, for instance), but I´d like to have some packages in more bleeding-edge versions. Any problem about that? Should I install woody instead if I intend to use non-stable packages? -After reading Debian docs, I don't get how updating works. Should I expect stable packages of gnome 1.2, XFree 4, etc.for potato or they're reserved for when woody becomes stable? In different words: through updating, does potato become woody, or potato doesn't change and it's woody what will change until stability? -How stable is unstable? I'm not running a server, should I go to woody directly? I know these are questions are very newby-like, but you don't know how different Debian sounds for a Red Hat/Mandrake guy. Thanks for all. * Dr. Rodolfo Canet-Castello Instituto Valenciano de Investigaciones Agrarias (IVIA) Dpto. Recursos Naturales Aptdo. oficial. 46113-Moncada (Valencia). ESPAÑA-SPAIN. Phone: 34-96-1391000 Fax: 34-96-1390240 Web page: http://www.ivia.es * Web page of Spanish Group of Soil Enzymology: http://www.ivia.es/soilenzymology/ *
Re: Going Debian: advice request
Rodolfo Canet-Castello wrote: ... -How stable is unstable? I'm not running a server, should I go to woody directly? it's very stable. for non-mission-critical machine _I_ wouldn't hesitate running unstable (and I do run it on my home machine). given the speed of development you get a lot more working stuff in unstable (like X 4) that is not in stable. I've been running unstable since potato was unstable and had very few minor problems related to constant (at least every few days) upgrading of a system. The only one that rendered my system partially unusable was X update - I didn't know that I need to get xserver-xfree86 explicitly (I though my X 3.x would be automatically updated to X 4.x), once I figured that out it all worked quite smoothly. for a server that you need to depend on stable is a better option. erik
Re: Going Debian: advice request
but I´d like to have some packages in more bleeding-edge versions. Any problem about that? Should I install woody instead if I intend to use non-stable packages? Woody's definitely unstable. You can install various items from unstable into a potato system. Whether you should go all woody or not depends on whether the packages you want to install depend on a lot of other dependencies. IMHO, if they don't, it's probably best to stick to a basically potato with a few woody packages installed idea. However, if they're something that depend on a lot of other woody packages, it might be best to go with a full woody install and roll with the punches. -- Regards,| Need some help with Debian GNU/Linux? . | Randy | Look no further than http://debianhelp.org ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) |
Re: Going Debian: advice request
At 04:43 PM 12/11/2000 -0500, Randy Edwards wrote: but I´d like to have some packages in more bleeding-edge versions. Any problem about that? Should I install woody instead if I intend to use non-stable packages? Woody's definitely unstable... -- Second that. I have had two installs (upgrades potato - woody) trip over their own dependencies and fail. A real waste of time! Good luck. Gregory Gregory Guthrie [EMAIL PROTECTED] (641)472-1125Fax: -1103
Re: Going Debian: advice request
Hola Rodolfo, salutacions des de Barcelona! After long doubts and four years using Linux, I'm finally decided to use Debian as my distro and not change anymore. Good decision! :) I'm thinking of installing potato, since am really fed up of half-boiled distros (RH7, for instance), but I´d like to have some packages in more bleeding-edge versions. Any problem about that? Should I install woody instead if I intend to use non-stable packages? I've read many times that using woody is like using RH (not 7, it's curious but this list was full of ex RedHat sysadmins. With RH 7 it seems that this number is even increasing!) -After reading Debian docs, I don't get how updating works. Should I expect stable packages of gnome 1.2, XFree 4, etc.for potato or they're reserved for when woody becomes stable? In different words: through updating, does potato become woody, or potato doesn't change and it's woody what will change until stability? -How stable is unstable? I'm not running a server, should I go to woody directly? You can try potato with the bleeding edge packages you need from woody. If you used in detail those distros (going to /etc with a text editor) Debian won't be painful. You can check the Xfree 4 issues on this list, in the previous weeks. There have been some. Que vagi bé, Ignasi __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
Re: Going Debian: advice request
On 11/12/2000 at 15:58 -0600, Gregory Guthrie wrote: Woody's definitely unstable... -- Second that. I have had two installs (upgrades potato - woody) trip over their own dependencies and fail. Well, I made a potato-woody upgrade and it went pretty smooth. Nothing stopped working. I later had some problems with some upgrades, but that's another story (anyhow, it forces you to _learn_ how all this works). I'm using woody now, and it seems pretty stable.. :) Despite of the unstable on the name.. :) Regards, sena... -- [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://decoy.ath.cx/~sena/ gpg fingerprint: F20B 12A8 A8F6 FD1F 9B1D BA62 C424 8E73 DD2E 47C8
