Re: Re: Potato system (Re: Help with X (after upgrade to Woody))
Oki DZ wrote: I see. I can see the source of my confusion, I believe. I always use unstable; when Potato was unstable, that was the one I used. Then Potato become stable, but I didn't change the sources.list (still pointed to unstable). Then I did apt-get dist-upgrade. So, inadvertently, I upgraded my system to unstable Woody. Correct? If it's still pointing to unstable, chances are you're using Sid (the current unstable) if you dist-upgraded from then unstable Potato to now unstable Sid. I have: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ more /etc/debian_version testing/unstable So, basically, the system is Woody and it uses Sid's apps. Right? I think it's time to do an apt-get dist-upgrade; so that I can get the stable Woody. (But... it seems that Woody is not yet stable; I guess I need some more enlightenment here.) Packages in Sid are eventually committed to testing after some time and improved stability with the other packages. So most probably, you're using... Most probably Sid. If you want to downgrade (actually upgrade on stability? Sid's actually quite good already and somehow stable too, compared to other Linux distros), point all attributions of unstable to testing. But if you're fine with the most upgraded distro though it exhibits some crazy quirks with some software, then I'd suggest you stick with Sid. It's kinda stable if you'd ask me - but don't use it on a production environment. My server at the office is still running Potato, while workstations are Woody snapshots. At home, I still use Potato for development, though 50% of the packages are backports from Sid, and it's running kernel 2.4. Actually, my need is to have kernel 2.4.x installed; it would be fine even if the system were unstable (from the software release point of view). And at some point in time, I added: #deb http://people.debian.org/~bunk/debian potato main into sources.list; my intention was to get an updated Potato :-) Well, I guess it would be nicer just to get the right Woody, but I also want to stick to Sid's apps. The question is: How? Woody or Sid is already 2.4 ready, as they're always updated regularly (with Sid the most number of iterations -- weekly if I'm not mistaken). Bunk's packages are packages that you need to have if you're still running potato and you want to use the 2.4 kernel series, and are mostly backported packages from Sid. However, some frequently re-sync their machines to the most current Sid. They get the most frequent versions of their software; however some quirks do get along the way. Not that I'm against it (a friend of mine resyncs his Sid boxes weekly) but if you have made a good combination in Sid, then I'd suggest you stick to it, only re-sync- ing for major security updates. Some say that Potato's best with production environments (I'd agree on this), while Woody is tolerable enough for office workstations, while Sid is best used at home or for the most daring who'd want to use bleeding-edge software. Of course, these are only my opinions. Paolo Falcone __ www.edsamail.com
Re: Re: Potato system (Re: Help with X (after upgrade to Woody))
On Thu, Nov 29, 2001 at 03:34:52PM +0800, Paolo Falcone wrote: Woody or Sid is already 2.4 ready, as they're always updated regularly (with Sid the most number of iterations -- weekly if I'm not mistaken). Daily. New packages are installed on the master archive at around 8pm UTC each day, and propagate out to the mirrors over the next couple of hours. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Potato system (Re: Help with X (after upgrade to Woody))
On Wed, 28 Nov 2001, Andrew Sione Taumoefolau wrote: It sounds like you've just been unstable for a long long time, which would mean Potato and Woody packages would've at one time been installed on your system, but that you've been using Sid the whole time :). I believe that I've been using Potato; at least, I did an apt-get dist-upgrade on it (on my system). Anyway, what is the right sequence? Potato - Sid - Woody? Sid - Potato - Woody? or Potato - Woody - Sid? TIA, Oki
Re: Help with X (after upgrade to Woody)
On Tue, 27 Nov 2001, jennyw wrote: I start X using /etc/init.d/gdm start. The screen blinks for a bit, then it stops, then it blinks for a bit more, then it stops, then it does it again. You didn't tell that it stopped eventually by itself. How did you stop it? I assume it's trying the three video modes (640x480, 800x600 and 1024x768) that I selected, and is finding that none of them works. By the way, my system apparently has no startx. You may need the modeline calculator. BTW, you can start X 4.1.x directly by: /usr/X11R6/bin/X vt :7 -depth the depth you want -xf86config your XF86Config file You can also test it first by: /usr/X11R6/bin/X vt :7 -depth 24 -xf86config your XF86Config file -probeonly So that you can see the output whether the configuration would work or not (it should mention the working resolutions). Oki
Re: Potato system (Re: Help with X (after upgrade to Woody))
On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 12:28:25PM +0700, Oki DZ wrote: I believe that I've been using Potato; at least, I did an apt-get dist-upgrade on it (on my system). Anyway, what is the right sequence? Potato - Sid - Woody? Sid - Potato - Woody? or Potato - Woody - Sid? The last one is the closest -- Potato (stable, version 2.2), Woody (testing, version 3.0?) and then Sid, which is permanently unstable. So when Woody is released, it'll be Woody (stable), some other Toy Story name (testing), and Sid again. Hope this helps :). -- Andrew Sione Taumoefolau [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.midspark.net/shazbot/
Re: Potato system (Re: Help with X (after upgrade to Woody))
On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 12:28:25PM +0700, Oki DZ wrote: I believe that I've been using Potato; at least, I did an apt-get dist-upgrade on it (on my system). Anyway, what is the right sequence? Potato - Sid - Woody? Sid - Potato - Woody? or Potato - Woody - Sid? A normal apt-get dist-upgrade without modifying /etc/apt/sources.list would upgrade your release to the next Debian release (ex. if you're using 2.2r3 and do a dist-upgrade, you'll get 2.2r4). To be sure, check the /etc/debian_version file if it states 2.2 or otherwise. I'd usually modify the apt sources file first before committing to an apt-get dist-upgrade with my woody and sid boxes at the office. Modifying the apt sources file with references to stable and change them to testing to upgrade from potato to woody, or to unstable to upgrade to sid. In terms of stability, from highest to lowest, the rank is Potato (the current stable release 2.2, now at rev4), followed by Woody (testing) then Sid (unstable). In terms of fast upgrades, Sid wins in speed of upgrades, followed by Woody. Packages or fixes in Sid are usually backported to Potato if it's a serious security concern. Some say that if stability is concerned, it's Potato-Sid-Woody, since unstable iterates faster than the testing release. [but I'd go for the more-accepted norm.] Paolo Falcone __ www.edsamail.com
Re: Potato system (Re: Help with X (after upgrade to Woody))
On Wed, 28 Nov 2001, Paolo Falcone wrote: A normal apt-get dist-upgrade without modifying /etc/apt/sources.list would upgrade your release to the next Debian release (ex. if you're using 2.2r3 and do a dist-upgrade, you'll get 2.2r4). I see. I can see the source of my confusion, I believe. I always use unstable; when Potato was unstable, that was the one I used. Then Potato become stable, but I didn't change the sources.list (still pointed to unstable). Then I did apt-get dist-upgrade. So, inadvertently, I upgraded my system to unstable Woody. Correct? To be sure, check the /etc/debian_version file if it states 2.2 or otherwise. I'd usually modify the apt sources file first before committing to an apt-get dist-upgrade with my woody and sid boxes at the office. I have: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ more /etc/debian_version testing/unstable So, basically, the system is Woody and it uses Sid's apps. Right? I think it's time to do an apt-get dist-upgrade; so that I can get the stable Woody. (But... it seems that Woody is not yet stable; I guess I need some more enlightenment here.) In terms of stability, from highest to lowest, the rank is Potato (the current stable release 2.2, now at rev4), followed by Woody (testing) then Sid (unstable). In terms of fast upgrades, Sid wins in speed of upgrades, followed by Woody. Packages or fixes in Sid are usually backported to Potato if it's a serious security concern. Actually, my need is to have kernel 2.4.x installed; it would be fine even if the system were unstable (from the software release point of view). And at some point in time, I added: #deb http://people.debian.org/~bunk/debian potato main into sources.list; my intention was to get an updated Potato :-) Well, I guess it would be nicer just to get the right Woody, but I also want to stick to Sid's apps. The question is: How? TIA, Oki
Help with X (after upgrade to Woody)
I just tried to upgrade a Potato installation to Woody. A lot of things went wrong (details at the end of the message) but the main problem now is that X doesn't work. At one point in time while doing apt-get dist-upgrade the installer strongly suggested installing xserver-xfree86 instead of using older xservers (I was using mach64 previously). Then it was unable to continue. So I typed apt-get install xserver-xfree86 and was able to continue until it said that xserver-mach64 was missing. I then typed apt-get install xserver-mach64 and was then able to continue with apt-get dist-upgrade. When it set xserver-xfree86 it asked for a module. I chose ati since that seemed the most logical to me of the choices offered (there was no option for mach64). The install of X continued smoothly. Unfortunately, now X won't load. And I'm not sure how to change the default xserver ... what config file is this in? I'm kind of lost when it comes to X normally, and now I'm even more lost since things have changed a bit ... Thanks! Jen P.S. The whole story with the upgrade to Woody goes like this ... I changed sources.list to point to testing instead of stable. I then did apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade. This took about 10 hours to download stuff (not sure why it was so slow) and towards the end it timed out on some packages. But it continued with install after it finished downloading. It didn't finish, of course, because stuff was missing. It suggested running apt-get dist-upgrade --fix-missing which I did. This ended up being a dead-end so I did an apt-get -f install and this then allowed me to do the dist-upgrade again. Then I had to run apt-get -f install again then was able to do dist-upgrade again. At which point we end up with the above. I also noticed that stuff that was on my system before -- man, less, samba -- were no longer on the system. I don't know if the installation is messed up or not; after installing the packages that I noticed were missing things are behaving normally except for X.
Re: Help with X (after upgrade to Woody)
Some more info ... I realized that dpkg-reconfigure xserver-mach64 would let me choose the mach64 server. This didn't help. I also tried the vga16 server. That didn't help, either. Any ideas as to what I'm doing wrong? Thanks! Jen - Original Message - From: jennyw [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 11:49 PM Subject: Help with X (after upgrade to Woody) I just tried to upgrade a Potato installation to Woody. A lot of things went wrong (details at the end of the message) but the main problem now is that X doesn't work. At one point in time while doing apt-get dist-upgrade the installer strongly suggested installing xserver-xfree86 instead of using older xservers (I was using mach64 previously). Then it was unable to continue. So I typed apt-get install xserver-xfree86 and was able to continue until it said that xserver-mach64 was missing. I then typed apt-get install xserver-mach64 and was then able to continue with apt-get dist-upgrade. When it set xserver-xfree86 it asked for a module. I chose ati since that seemed the most logical to me of the choices offered (there was no option for mach64). The install of X continued smoothly. Unfortunately, now X won't load. And I'm not sure how to change the default xserver ... what config file is this in? I'm kind of lost when it comes to X normally, and now I'm even more lost since things have changed a bit ... Thanks! Jen P.S. The whole story with the upgrade to Woody goes like this ... I changed sources.list to point to testing instead of stable. I then did apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade. This took about 10 hours to download stuff (not sure why it was so slow) and towards the end it timed out on some packages. But it continued with install after it finished downloading. It didn't finish, of course, because stuff was missing. It suggested running apt-get dist-upgrade --fix-missing which I did. This ended up being a dead-end so I did an apt-get -f install and this then allowed me to do the dist-upgrade again. Then I had to run apt-get -f install again then was able to do dist-upgrade again. At which point we end up with the above. I also noticed that stuff that was on my system before -- man, less, samba -- were no longer on the system. I don't know if the installation is messed up or not; after installing the packages that I noticed were missing things are behaving normally except for X. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Help with X (after upgrade to Woody)
On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 12:08:21AM -0800, jennyw wrote: doesn't work. At one point in time while doing apt-get dist-upgrade the installer strongly suggested installing xserver-xfree86 instead of using older xservers (I was using mach64 previously). Then it was unable to continue. So I typed apt-get install xserver-xfree86 and was able to continue until it said that xserver-mach64 was missing. I then typed apt-get install xserver-mach64 and was then able to continue with apt-get dist-upgrade. ... When it set xserver-xfree86 it asked for a module. I chose ati since that seemed the most logical to me of the choices offered (there was no option for mach64). The install of X continued smoothly. Unfortunately, now X won't load. And I'm not sure how to change the default xserver ... what config file is this in? Well try using 8bpp or 1 bpi, you may get fuzzy image ;-( I had problem with ATI with earlier X4 (See my bug report). I tried again with new X4.1 and still can not get working. So I use that box for console only :-) I guss if I find time I might get X3 installed again for ATI box. (I have main Linux box with tdfx.) -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki [EMAIL PROTECTED], GnuPG-key: 1024D/D5DE453D + + My debian quick-reference, http://qref.sourceforge.net/quick/ +
Re: Help with X (after upgrade to Woody)
On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 11:49:47PM -0800, jennyw wrote: I just tried to upgrade a Potato installation to Woody. A lot of things went wrong (details at the end of the message) but the main problem now is that X doesn't work. At one point in time while doing apt-get dist-upgrade the installer strongly suggested installing xserver-xfree86 instead of using older xservers (I was using mach64 previously). Then it was unable to continue. So I typed apt-get install xserver-xfree86 and was able to continue until it said that xserver-mach64 was missing. I then typed apt-get install xserver-mach64 and was then able to continue with apt-get dist-upgrade. Righty-oh. My knowledge of X is probably only slightly more rounded than yours, but I've been through all this so I might be able to help :). xserver-mach64 should not have been required. I mean, you can use it if you want, but like the installer recommends, if you can use xserver-xfree86, you should. And! Your card is supported in XFree86 4.1, so there's not reason not to :). How did it complain about missing xserver-mach64? Was it because there were packages that were to be installed depended on it? What were they? Anyway, the first thing you should do is try to apt-get remove (or dpkg --purge, if you're feeling vindictive and don't mind handling getting rid of its dependants manually :) xserver-mach64, 'cause you don't need it and its presence only complicates things. Once you've done that, try dpkg-reconfigure'ing xserver-xfree86. And once you've done that, try to get X running again and report what happens :). When it set xserver-xfree86 it asked for a module. I chose ati since that seemed the most logical to me of the choices offered (there was no option for mach64). The install of X continued smoothly. Unfortunately, now X won't load. And I'm not sure how to change the default xserver ... what config file is this in? Er, I'm not sure there is a config file to change the default xserver (I'm waiting to get shouted down for saying something so wrong, though :); programs like startx just launch /etc/X11/X, which is a symlink to your X server of choice (so, in your case, you'd want it to be /usr/bin/X11/xserver-xfree86 or somesuch). For version 4+ X servers, I think you list your card somewhere in XF86Config-4 so it knows which module to load, but that should get sorted out by apt when you install xserver-xfree86. Hopefully. Maybe. Also: when you say X won't load, what do you mean? Does it go straight to console when you boot up? What happens when you try startx or something similar? What's in .xsession-errors? P.S. The whole story with the upgrade to Woody goes like this ... story snipped This is a familiar tale, and I'm sure not only to myself :). Hope some of this helps. Keep on truckin', you'll get everything sorted eventually :). -- Andrew Sione Taumoefolau [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.midspark.net/shazbot/
Re: Help with X (after upgrade to Woody)
From: Andrew Sione Taumoefolau [EMAIL PROTECTED] so there's not reason not to :). How did it complain about missing xserver-mach64? I didn't write down the exact message; I just remember it saying that it was missing. Sorry! Next time I'll do better ... Anyway, the first thing you should do is try to apt-get remove (or dpkg --purge, if you're feeling vindictive and don't mind handling I just tried this; same results as before. Also: when you say X won't load, what do you mean? Does it go straight I start X using /etc/init.d/gdm start. The screen blinks for a bit, then it stops, then it blinks for a bit more, then it stops, then it does it again. I assume it's trying the three video modes (640x480, 800x600 and 1024x768) that I selected, and is finding that none of them works. By the way, my system apparently has no startx. I did read on the XFree86.org Web site that there are known problems with the ATI driver. I have an ATI Rage Pro Turbo AGP. Any other suggestions? I did have this working well under Potato. Thanks! Jen
Re: Help with X (after upgrade to Woody)
I start X using /etc/init.d/gdm start. The screen blinks for a bit, then it stops, then it blinks for a bit more, then it stops, then it does it again. I assume it's trying the three video modes (640x480, 800x600 and 1024x768) that I selected, and is finding that none of them works. By the way, my system apparently has no startx. I did read on the XFree86.org Web site that there are known problems with the ATI driver. I have an ATI Rage Pro Turbo AGP. Any other suggestions? I did have this working well under Potato. Try running just X. When it crashes, look at what it displayed upon startup, lines beginning with (EE) are of interest. Ax -- Vaclav Hula [EMAIL PROTECTED] UIN#36624092 http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~ax There's long way from statue to liberty... [Hobit - Ants]
Re: Help with X (after upgrade to Woody)
I also blew away my X setup when I upgraded from potato to woody so I know how it feels. Here's some information I determined in the course of fixing things: Under potato you were using XFree86 release 3.3.+. Woody prefers to use XFree86 release 4.0+. You can still use XFree release 3.3 in woody, but you need the xserver-common-v3 compatibility package as well as your xserver-whatever package. Another gotcha is that the method of choosing the active X server changed. In potato, the active X server was listed in the first line of the file /etc/X11/Xserver, but in woody the active X server is whichever server binary is symlinked to /etc/X11/X. For XFree86 version 3 servers, the server configuration file is /etc/X11/XF86Config while for version 4 servers it is /etc/X11/XF86Config-4. So to get your system up, you would have to come up with a working configuration file v3 or v4 depending on which server you were going to run. With XFree86 version 4 all the servers are contained in one server in the package xserver-xfree86. When I have to repair this kind of problem, what I find convenient is to disable the graphical login (gdm or xdm) by removing the execute permission on the startup file. Then I log in to the console (as root) and fiddle with the configuration file with an editor. When I have something I want to try, I just do startx. Then if it comes up, great, I have a working system. If it doesn't, I kill the X screen with Ctrl-Alt-Backspace if necessary and fiddle with it some more.Sometimes it is useful to see the messages that X spits out when it starts up, so then I do: startx /tmp/xjunk 21 Then after I bring X down I can look at the file /tmp/xjunk and see what the error messages were. Eric Stern
Re: Help with X (after upgrade to Woody)
%% jennyw [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: j By the way, my system apparently has no startx. It sounds to me like your system is missing some very important packages. There's no way you should be missing startx! That's a fundamental script and it's in xbase-clients, which pretty much every X installation should have. It should be in /usr/X11R6/bin (or /usr/bin/X11, which should be a symlink to the former). If it's not there, you need to do something like: # apt-get install xbase-clients Personally I would disable GDM and use startx until you get your X environment working; it's much simpler to stop/restart from the console rather than through a display manager. j I start X using /etc/init.d/gdm start. The screen blinks for a j bit, then it stops, then it blinks for a bit more, then it stops, j then it does it again. I assume it's trying the three video modes j (640x480, 800x600 and 1024x768) that I selected, and is finding j that none of them works. My first suspicion is you have a font problem. The font handling in Woody is very different than in Potato, and in my experience it's not entirely robust yet: I've had installs screw up my font lists for me. The X server must find the fixed font or it won't start at all. The X server will actually print lots of very helpful errors (albeit sometimes somewhat arcane). If you're using GDM, go look in the /var/log directory for a file like XFree86.0.log and see what errors are shown there. startx will just spew them to the screen; you can redirect them to a log like this: $ startx error.log If you see errors in there about fonts, you should check your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file; if you don't understand what's going on there post it for us, at least the FontPath lines. In any event, if you post the errors you find in your X log file someone may be able to provide more help. -- --- Paul D. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] HASMAT--HA Software Mthds Tools Please remain calm...I may be mad, but I am a professional. --Mad Scientist --- These are my opinions---Nortel Networks takes no responsibility for them.
Re: Help with X (after upgrade to Woody)
One pitfall of transfering from XFree3.* to XFree4.* is that the config file is now: \etc\X11\XF86Config-4 instead of \etc\X11\XF86Config. You might want to make sure that you configuration is save as the right file. Good luck. Pan
Re: Help with X (after upgrade to Woody)
jennyw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --snip-- Anyway, the first thing you should do is try to apt-get remove (or dpkg --purge, if you're feeling vindictive and don't mind handling I just tried this; same results as before. Also: when you say X won't load, what do you mean? Does it go straight I start X using /etc/init.d/gdm start. The screen blinks for a bit, then it stops, then it blinks for a bit more, then it stops, then it does it again. I assume it's trying the three video modes (640x480, 800x600 and 1024x768) that I selected, and is finding that none of them works. By the way, my system apparently has no startx. I did read on the XFree86.org Web site that there are known problems with the ATI driver. I have an ATI Rage Pro Turbo AGP. Any other suggestions? I did have this working well under Potato. Thanks! Jen Just a shot in the dark here, based on my seeing these EXACT symptoms multiple times after an upgrade to Woody. Check out your /var/log/XFree86.?.log file(s) and see if it gives you any clues. It can be quite long, so I suggest you page to the end and work backwards first. Dollars-to Doughnuts, towards the end it will say something about can't find fixed font or something like that. If you see this message, try re-installing the xfonts-base package. For some reason this package seems to get messed up on install rather frequently hereespecially when upgrading. Continue checking this file and correct any other errors it might have. The log message can point to other problems too...use it as a guide in your search. It might point towards other missing packages or files. If you find a file missing, you can look up which package contains this file on the Debian packages page and re-install THAT package. Post it here if you can't seem to get it going on your own. Cheers Good Luck! -Don Spoon-
Re: Help with X (after upgrade to Woody)
Thanks to everyone! Yep, packages that should have been present were missing. In particular, xbase-clients (which contains startx, which was indeed missing) and xfonts-base as folks suggested. Are these kinds of problems common in upgrading to Woody? Donald mentioned that he'd seen xfonts-base missing on a few upgrades. I have no idea why xbase-clients was missing ... I installed the missing packages and now X works fine! And now I know a lot more about selecting X servers and troubleshooting by reading the logs (for some reason, it didn't occur to me that X would have logged stuff; I'm still learning). Thanks again! Jen
Re: Help with X (after upgrade to Woody)
On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 01:21:23AM -0800, jennyw wrote: Anyway, the first thing you should do is try to apt-get remove (or dpkg --purge, if you're feeling vindictive and don't mind handling I just tried this; same results as before. We need to know what these results were! :) xserver-mach64 is not needed, so any packages that depend on it can almost certainly go when you ditch it. How it is complaining? Also: when you say X won't load, what do you mean? Does it go straight I start X using /etc/init.d/gdm start. The screen blinks for a bit, then it stops, then it blinks for a bit more, then it stops, then it does it again. I assume it's trying the three video modes (640x480, 800x600 and 1024x768) that I selected, and is finding that none of them works. By the way, my system apparently has no startx. Don't use gdm until you get X working. gdm could be introducing more hassles, and certainly more complexity than we need right now :). And for startx: # apt-get install xbase-clients Any other suggestions? I did have this working well under Potato. Potato uses version 3 X servers; Woody and unstable support both the version 3 X servers and the shiny and new version 4 one. We're trying to get the shiny and new version going :). -- Andrew Sione Taumoefolau [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.midspark.net/shazbot/
Potato system (Re: Help with X (after upgrade to Woody))
On Wed, 28 Nov 2001, Andrew Sione Taumoefolau wrote: Potato uses version 3 X servers; Woody and unstable support both the version 3 X servers and the shiny and new version 4 one. Long ago, I used unstable, which was potato. Now, I use unstable, and I thought it was potato. I guess, now I'm using a potato system with woody's apps. Correct? We're trying to get the shiny and new version going :). X 4.1.x feels a lot faster, but it doesn't come with Modelines. X -configure command will get you a fresh XF86Config, but I don't think that would be useful. Just in case you'd need a modeline calculator: http://www.dkfz-heidelberg.de/spec/linux/modeline/ Oki
Re: Potato system (Re: Help with X (after upgrade to Woody))
On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 08:41:03AM +0700, Oki DZ wrote: Long ago, I used unstable, which was potato. Now, I use unstable, and I thought it was potato. That sounds a bit like a koan :). I guess, now I'm using a potato system with woody's apps. Correct? It sounds like you've just been unstable for a long long time, which would mean Potato and Woody packages would've at one time been installed on your system, but that you've been using Sid the whole time :). -- Andrew Sione Taumoefolau [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.midspark.net/shazbot/
