Re: Help with Debian for ARM

[Dan Ritter]

Mario Marietto wrote: 
> I still have the old "Samsung / Google Nexus 10" tablet. I don't like
> Android. Any help to install Ubuntu instead of Android on this device is
> appreciated. Thanks.


First, this is a Debian list, not an Ubuntu list.

Second, as far as I know, there are proprietary components to
that tablet which make it impossible for Debian to be installed.

As an alternative, nearly all Android devices can run a Debian
environment in a chroot:

https://wiki.debian.org/ChrootOnAndroid


-dsr-

Re: Help with Debian for ARM

[Mario Marietto]

Errata corrige :

I still have the old "Samsung / Google Nexus 10" tablet. I don't like
Android. Any help to install Debian instead of Android on this device is
appreciated. Thanks.

On Sat, May 13, 2023 at 2:27 PM Mario Marietto 
wrote:

> Hello.
>
> I still have the old "Samsung / Google Nexus 10" tablet. I don't like
> Android. Any help to install Ubuntu instead of Android on this device is
> appreciated. Thanks.
>
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>


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Help with Debian for ARM

[Mario Marietto]

Hello.

I still have the old "Samsung / Google Nexus 10" tablet. I don't like
Android. Any help to install Ubuntu instead of Android on this device is
appreciated. Thanks.

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Re: urgently need help with Debian can't started

[Daniel Burrows]

On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 10:49:18AM +0800, Pete Kay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was 
heard to say:
> After I installed scim-pinyin, I rebooted the server and I can't bring up
> Debian X-window anymore.  It does request for the username and password, but
> then it just hangs there in the screen, and does not go to the main window.

  Have you tried removing scim-pinyin and seeing if that makes the
problem go away?  It looks like the sort of thing that actually could
mess with your X session.

  (run "dpkg --purge scim-pinyin" as root)

  Daniel


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Re: urgently need help with Debian can't started

[steve]

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Pete Kay wrote:
| Hi,
|
| x started, but after i typed in user name and password, it just gives me
| the background screen.
| this is a new server so the directory is not full.
|
| Thanks,
| Pete

cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log

maybe its got something to with that chinese package you installed?  are
all dependencies satisfied for it?




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Re: urgently need help with Debian can't started

[Kent West]

Pete Kay wrote:
After I installed scim-pinyin, I rebooted the server and I can't bring 
up Debian X-window anymore.  It does request for the username and 
password, but then it just hangs there in the screen, and does not go 
to the main window. 
 
I can reboot to get to command prompt.  Can anyone tell me if there is 
a way I can restore my X-window using some apt-get install "package"? 
How to do that?  There are many information in the machine that I 
don't want to lose.


I'm unsure what scim-pinyin is (aptitude show didn't help me much), but 
you might try uninstalling it.


But to answer your question, yes, you can restore your X Windowing 
System, but you may not need to apt-get anything.


Can  you switch to a text terminal (using the keystroke Ctrl-Alt-F1)? 
Or, as you mention, you can reboot into a command prompt.


Then check your X logs (with a command like "tail /var/log/Xorg.0.log"). 
Look for anything obvious.


I'd probably try starting X with a very simple windowing environment, as 
root (generally you don't want to run X as root; you might want to 
unplug from the network first, and be careful not to do much while 
root). One way to do this is to edit/create the file "~/.xinitrc" and 
put the single line in there of "twm" or "icewm", using the name of a 
simple window manager like twm or icewm. Or better yet, put "xterm" into 
~/.xinitrc for a very minimal X. You might need to "apt-get install 
icewm twm" to get them first. Then run "startx".


If it fails, again, check the logs, and at this point, you might want to 
uninstall scim-pinyin.


If it works, go back and use the simple windowing environment with your 
normal user.


This will give you a clue as to if the problem is X or your windowing 
environment.


You might also want to create a new user and try logging into X as that 
user. It might be user-specific.


Let us know how it goes.

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Re: urgently need help with Debian can't started

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Pete Kay wrote:
| Hi,
|
| After I installed scim-pinyin, I rebooted the server and I can't bring
| up Debian X-window anymore.  It does request for the username and
| password, but then it just hangs there in the screen, and does not go to
| the main window.
|
| I can reboot to get to command prompt.  Can anyone tell me if there is a
| way I can restore my X-window using some apt-get install "package"?
| How to do that?  There are many information in the machine that I don't
| want to lose.
|
| Thanks for your help.
|
| Regards,
| Pete

any clues in boot log or xorg log?

does x actually start?  what exactly happens after you type in your
username and password?  Is your home directory full?


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urgently need help with Debian can't started

[Pete Kay]

Hi,

After I installed scim-pinyin, I rebooted the server and I can't bring up
Debian X-window anymore.  It does request for the username and password, but
then it just hangs there in the screen, and does not go to the main window.


I can reboot to get to command prompt.  Can anyone tell me if there is a way
I can restore my X-window using some apt-get install "package"?
How to do that?  There are many information in the machine that I don't want
to lose.

Thanks for your help.

Regards,
Pete

Re: Help with Debian Install

[cls]

[This message has also been posted to linux.debian.user.]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ed wrote:
> Hi,
> I downloaded an image called debian-40r1-i386-netinst.iso.  The install
> went fine until I got to the step to 'Configure the Package Manager'.
> When I do this step, it asks if I want to use a network mirror and I
> choose 'yes'.  It then asks for a protocol and I choose 'http' although I
> also tried 'ftp' and it fails also.

Stop right there.  Get a Debian-based live CD.  If the Debian
installer has any chance of working, the live CD will work
all by itself automatically.  There is no point in trying to
do the Debian install if the live CD does not work.
Try this one.  http://damnsmalllinux.org/download.html
It's got most of Knoppix' hardware discovery but the image
is much smaller to download.

When the live CD comes up, get a shell and ping kernel.org.
If that works, cat /etc/resolv.conf and write down the
nameservers it found.  Run ifconfig and write down the IP
address that was assigned to your eth0 or wlan0.
Run route -n and write down your gateway address and netmask.

While you're at it, if The X Window System is working well
with your video card and mouse, copy /etc/X11/xorg.conf
someplace.  One way to do that is to log into a web-based
email and mail that file to yourself.  Finally, run lsmod
and mail yourself the list of modules the live CD
thinks it needed.  If you are really lucky, the live CD
figured out your sound card and sound works.  Try it.
Sound probably won't work out of the box with the Debian Etch
installer, and the live CD has figured out what you
will need to fix.  The answer is in the lsmod output.

Each piece of information you have just gathered is something
I have seen the live CDs do right and the Debian installer
screw up.  Letting the live CD do the work will save you a
*lot* of screwing around.

When you boot the Etch 4.0r1 installer, before it starts
looking for a network mirror, get a shell (F2, enter)
and cat /etc/resolv.conf, and run route -n.  If the
answers are not the same as what you got with the live CD,
that's your problem.  Do the base system install off your
netinst or CD 1 of 21 without the network.  It will
reboot and you can log in.  You'll have to edit
/etc/modules, /etc/resolv.conf, /etc/apt/sources.list,
and /etc/network/interfaces.  Then you can use apt-get
or aptitude and install the stuff you want.


Cameron




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Re: Help with Debian Install

[Charles Swarts]

On 10/20/07, Andrei Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> It seems like a networking problem to me.
>
> Regards,
> Andrei
>


This looks like a network problem to me as well, perhaps DNS?  Try pinging
an external address by ip and see if you get a response?


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Re: Help with Debian Install

[Douglas A. Tutty]

On Fri, Oct 19, 2007 at 10:54:51PM -, Ed wrote:
 
> I am not really sure.  This is an old computer, but years ago, it had 
> Redhat Linux 7 and Windows 95 dual boot running fine.  As time went by, 
> this computer was replaces with newer ones and slowly became obsolete.  
> Now I want to revive it and probably make it a print server, and maybe 
> web browser only machine, only running linux.  I have never used debian 
> before, but heard it was a good candidate for an old machine.  On my 
> other machines I run fedora 6 or 7. (and yes, I run Windows 2000 or XP)
> 
> Is there a way I can find out the network card and driver without taking 
> the machine apart.  It is in kind of a hard place to get at right now.

Just do a minimal install from the netinst.iso.  When you get to
choosing a mirror, choose none.  Let it try to contact
security.debian.org, which will fail, but it will put a commented-out
line in your sources.list file.  

When you get to task selector, deselect everything.  You will then just
get a base install minimal system.

When you boot into the system and log in for the first time, you can
type:
# dmesg | less

and look for what hardware was found.  The dmesg is a ring-buffer that
is filled by the kernel as hardware is found by the drivers.  You should
see everything.

However, if this computer doesn't have a PCI bus but instead and
ISA/EISA bus, then there may be some more work to do since the hardware
set-up is different and not so automatic.

What kind of computer is this:

Processor:
Memory:
Hard drive space:
System bus type:

As long as you are able to install a base system, dmesg will tell you
most of this.

Doug.


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Re: Help with Debian Install

[Jude DaShiell]

The internet service provider could have an outage in the area or the 
modem/router may need updating.  With a web browser what happens when you 
surf to http://192.168.1.1/?  If you get the modem, it could need 
reconfiguring or updating.





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Re: Help with Debian Install

[William Pursell]

Ed wrote:

> Is there
a different install image I should download and use.  I was not too keen 
on downloading the 20+ cd images for a complete CD install.  Do you know 
which ones I would need just for gnome and firefox for starters?


I didn't notice anyone address this yet--
You can get a full system up and going with just the first CD.


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Re: Help with Debian Install

[Andrei Popescu]

On Sat, Oct 20, 2007 at 12:00:12AM -, Ed wrote:
 
> Here is the output of route on the machine in question.  192.168.1.1 is 
> correct for other computers on my home lan.
> 
> Kernel IP routing table
> Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse 
> Iface
> 192.168.1.0 *   255.255.255.0   U 0  00 
> eth0
> default 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG0  00 
> eth0

That looks ok for my unspecialist eyes. How did you configure your 
netcard (static or dhcp), can you ping the modem?

It seems like a networking problem to me.

Regards,
Andrei
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Re: Help with Debian Install

[Ed]

On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 00:00:16 +0200, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:

> On Fri, Oct 19, 2007 at 07:47:21PM -, Ed wrote:
>> On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 21:00:18 +0200, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
>> 
>> > On Fri, Oct 19, 2007 at 05:23:35PM -, Ed wrote:
>> >> Hi,
>> >> I downloaded an image called debian-40r1-i386-netinst.iso.  The
>> >> install went fine until I got to the step to 'Configure the Package
>> >> Manager'. When I do this step, it asks if I want to use a network
>> >> mirror and I choose 'yes'.  It then asks for a protocol and I choose
>> >> 'http' although I also tried 'ftp' and it fails also.  Next it asks
>> >> for a country and I choose 'United States'. Next it asks for a
>> >> archive mirror.  I have tried nearly all, but currently I am trying
>> >> ' '.
>> > 
>> > have you confirmed that the network is up? switch to a VT (alt-f2)
>> > and try pinging various addresses.
>> > 
>> > 
>> You are on the right track.  I can NOT ping linux.csua.berkeley.edu or
>> it's ip address which is 169.229.49.36. I can ping other computers on
>> my home network.  The modem I was referring to is my dsl modem.  The
>> install CD has not reported any errors up to the point I mention above.
>>  Is there a different install image I should download and use.  I was
>> not too keen on downloading the 20+ cd images for a complete CD
>> install.  Do you know which ones I would need just for gnome and
>> firefox for starters?
> 
> okay, you can ping your local net, but not outside it. how about posting
> the output of
> 
> route
> 
> on the machine in question while installing
> 
> I'm guessing there's no default route which you could get with
> 
> route add default gw 
> 
> A

Here is the output of route on the machine in question.  192.168.1.1 is 
correct for other computers on my home lan.

Kernel IP routing table
Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse 
Iface
192.168.1.0 *   255.255.255.0   U 0  00 
eth0
default 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG0  00 
eth0


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Re: Help with Debian Install

[Ed]

On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 23:20:07 +0200, Sam Leon wrote:

> Ed wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I downloaded an image called debian-40r1-i386-netinst.iso.  The install
>> went fine until I got to the step to 'Configure the Package Manager'.
>> When I do this step, it asks if I want to use a network mirror and I
>> choose 'yes'.  It then asks for a protocol and I choose 'http' although
>> I also tried 'ftp' and it fails also.  Next it asks for a country and I
>> choose 'United States'. Next it asks for a archive mirror.  I have
>> tried nearly all, but currently I am trying 'linux.csua.berkeley.edu'. 
>> It asks if I need a proxy and I leave that blank and hit 'continue'.
>> Then it says scanning the mirror, but I see no activity on my modem.
>> After a few seconds it reports that "Bad archive Mirror - The specified
>> Debian archive mirror
>> is either not available, or does not have a valid release file on it.
>> Please try a dirrerent
>> mirror".  This happens no matter which mirror I choose.  I am new to
>> Debian
>> and unfamiliar with its tools.  Any help or advice would be
>> appreciated. Thanks
>> Ed Doyle
>> 
>> 
> 
> What kind of network card is in the computer?  It sounds like the driver
> for it is not getting loaded or something.
> 
> Sam

I am not really sure.  This is an old computer, but years ago, it had 
Redhat Linux 7 and Windows 95 dual boot running fine.  As time went by, 
this computer was replaces with newer ones and slowly became obsolete.  
Now I want to revive it and probably make it a print server, and maybe 
web browser only machine, only running linux.  I have never used debian 
before, but heard it was a good candidate for an old machine.  On my 
other machines I run fedora 6 or 7. (and yes, I run Windows 2000 or XP)

Is there a way I can find out the network card and driver without taking 
the machine apart.  It is in kind of a hard place to get at right now.

Thanks

Ed


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Re: Help with Debian Install

[Douglas A. Tutty]

On Fri, Oct 19, 2007 at 05:23:35PM -, Ed wrote:
> I downloaded an image called debian-40r1-i386-netinst.iso.  The install
> went fine until I got to the step to 'Configure the Package Manager'.
> When I do this step, it asks if I want to use a network mirror and I
> choose 'yes'.  It then asks for a protocol and I choose 'http' although I
> also tried 'ftp' and it fails also.  Next it asks for a country and I
> choose 'United States'. Next it asks for a archive mirror.  I have tried
> nearly all, but currently I am trying 'linux.csua.berkeley.edu'.  It asks
> if I need a proxy and I leave that blank and hit 'continue'. Then it says
> scanning the mirror, but I see no activity on my modem. After a few
> seconds it reports that "Bad archive Mirror - The specified Debian 
> archive mirror
> is either not available, or does not have a valid release file on it.  
> Please try a dirrerent
> mirror".  This happens no matter which mirror I choose.  I am new to 
> Debian
> and unfamiliar with its tools.  Any help or advice would be appreciated.

Perhaps don't use a mirror, just install base and get a minimal debian
system.  Then you can use the full power of debian to help solve the
problem without an installer UI getting in the way.

Doug.


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Re: Help with Debian Install

[Vincent Frentzel]

On Friday 19 October 2007 22:51:05 Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 19, 2007 at 07:47:21PM -, Ed wrote:
> > On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 21:00:18 +0200, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2007 at 05:23:35PM -, Ed wrote:
> > >> Hi,
> > >> I downloaded an image called debian-40r1-i386-netinst.iso.  The
> > >> install went fine until I got to the step to 'Configure the Package
> > >> Manager'. When I do this step, it asks if I want to use a network
> > >> mirror and I choose 'yes'.  It then asks for a protocol and I choose
> > >> 'http' although I also tried 'ftp' and it fails also.  Next it asks
> > >> for a country and I choose 'United States'. Next it asks for a archive
> > >> mirror.  I have tried nearly all, but currently I am trying ' '.

Have you tried simply leaving the apt system unconfigured, booting the 
installed system and then setting it up. I might be wrong, but maybe it s a 
problem with the installer.

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Re: Help with Debian Install

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Fri, Oct 19, 2007 at 07:47:21PM -, Ed wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 21:00:18 +0200, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, Oct 19, 2007 at 05:23:35PM -, Ed wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >> I downloaded an image called debian-40r1-i386-netinst.iso.  The install
> >> went fine until I got to the step to 'Configure the Package Manager'.
> >> When I do this step, it asks if I want to use a network mirror and I
> >> choose 'yes'.  It then asks for a protocol and I choose 'http' although
> >> I also tried 'ftp' and it fails also.  Next it asks for a country and I
> >> choose 'United States'. Next it asks for a archive mirror.  I have
> >> tried nearly all, but currently I am trying ' '. 
> > 
> > have you confirmed that the network is up? switch to a VT (alt-f2) and
> > try pinging various addresses.
> > 
> 
> You are on the right track.  I can NOT ping linux.csua.berkeley.edu or 
> it's ip address which is 169.229.49.36. I can ping other computers on my 
> home network.  The modem I was referring to is my dsl modem.  The install 
> CD has not reported any errors up to the point I mention above.  Is there 
> a different install image I should download and use.  I was not too keen 
> on downloading the 20+ cd images for a complete CD install.  Do you know 
> which ones I would need just for gnome and firefox for starters?

okay, you can ping your local net, but not outside it. how about
posting the output of 

route

on the machine in question while installing

I'm guessing there's no default route which you could get with 

route add default gw 

A


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Re: Help with Debian Install

[Tim DeWall]

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Ed wrote:

Hi,
I downloaded an image called debian-40r1-i386-netinst.iso.  The install
went fine until I got to the step to 'Configure the Package Manager'.
When I do this step, it asks if I want to use a network mirror and I
choose 'yes'.  It then asks for a protocol and I choose 'http' although I
also tried 'ftp' and it fails also.  Next it asks for a country and I
choose 'United States'. Next it asks for a archive mirror.  I have tried
nearly all, but currently I am trying 'linux.csua.berkeley.edu'.  It asks
if I need a proxy and I leave that blank and hit 'continue'. Then it says
scanning the mirror, but I see no activity on my modem. After a few
seconds it reports that "Bad archive Mirror - The specified Debian 
archive mirror
is either not available, or does not have a valid release file on it. 
Please try a dirrerent
mirror".  This happens no matter which mirror I choose.  I am new to 
Debian

and unfamiliar with its tools.  Any help or advice would be appreciated.
Thanks
Ed Doyle




What kind of network card is in the computer?  It sounds like the driver 
for it is not getting loaded or something.


Sam


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Re: Help with Debian Install

[Ed]

On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 21:00:18 +0200, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:

> On Fri, Oct 19, 2007 at 05:23:35PM -, Ed wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I downloaded an image called debian-40r1-i386-netinst.iso.  The install
>> went fine until I got to the step to 'Configure the Package Manager'.
>> When I do this step, it asks if I want to use a network mirror and I
>> choose 'yes'.  It then asks for a protocol and I choose 'http' although
>> I also tried 'ftp' and it fails also.  Next it asks for a country and I
>> choose 'United States'. Next it asks for a archive mirror.  I have
>> tried nearly all, but currently I am trying ' '. 
>> It asks if I need a proxy and I leave that blank and hit 'continue'.
>> Then it says scanning the mirror, but I see no activity on my modem.
>> After a few seconds it reports that "Bad archive Mirror - The specified
>> Debian
> 
> have you confirmed that the network is up? switch to a VT (alt-f2) and
> try pinging various addresses.
> 
> btw, what "modem" are you talking about here?
> 
> A

You are on the right track.  I can NOT ping linux.csua.berkeley.edu or 
it's ip address which is 169.229.49.36. I can ping other computers on my 
home network.  The modem I was referring to is my dsl modem.  The install 
CD has not reported any errors up to the point I mention above.  Is there 
a different install image I should download and use.  I was not too keen 
on downloading the 20+ cd images for a complete CD install.  Do you know 
which ones I would need just for gnome and firefox for starters?
Thanks
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Re: Help with Debian Install

[Sam Leon]

Ed wrote:

Hi,
I downloaded an image called debian-40r1-i386-netinst.iso.  The install
went fine until I got to the step to 'Configure the Package Manager'.
When I do this step, it asks if I want to use a network mirror and I
choose 'yes'.  It then asks for a protocol and I choose 'http' although I
also tried 'ftp' and it fails also.  Next it asks for a country and I
choose 'United States'. Next it asks for a archive mirror.  I have tried
nearly all, but currently I am trying 'linux.csua.berkeley.edu'.  It asks
if I need a proxy and I leave that blank and hit 'continue'. Then it says
scanning the mirror, but I see no activity on my modem. After a few
seconds it reports that "Bad archive Mirror - The specified Debian 
archive mirror
is either not available, or does not have a valid release file on it.  
Please try a dirrerent
mirror".  This happens no matter which mirror I choose.  I am new to 
Debian

and unfamiliar with its tools.  Any help or advice would be appreciated.
Thanks
Ed Doyle




What kind of network card is in the computer?  It sounds like the driver 
for it is not getting loaded or something.


Sam


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Re: Help with Debian Install

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Fri, Oct 19, 2007 at 05:23:35PM -, Ed wrote:
> Hi,
> I downloaded an image called debian-40r1-i386-netinst.iso.  The install
> went fine until I got to the step to 'Configure the Package Manager'.
> When I do this step, it asks if I want to use a network mirror and I
> choose 'yes'.  It then asks for a protocol and I choose 'http' although I
> also tried 'ftp' and it fails also.  Next it asks for a country and I
> choose 'United States'. Next it asks for a archive mirror.  I have tried
> nearly all, but currently I am trying 'linux.csua.berkeley.edu'.  It asks
> if I need a proxy and I leave that blank and hit 'continue'. Then it says
> scanning the mirror, but I see no activity on my modem. After a few
> seconds it reports that "Bad archive Mirror - The specified Debian 

have you confirmed that the network is up? switch to a VT (alt-f2) and
try pinging various addresses. 

btw, what "modem" are you talking about here?

A


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Re: Help with Debian Install

[Miguel J.]

El vie, 19-10-2007 a las 17:23 +, Ed escribió:
> Hi,
> I downloaded an image called debian-40r1-i386-netinst.iso.  The install
> went fine until I got to the step to 'Configure the Package Manager'.
> When I do this step, it asks if I want to use a network mirror and I
> choose 'yes'.  It then asks for a protocol and I choose 'http' although I
> also tried 'ftp' and it fails also.  Next it asks for a country and I
> choose 'United States'. Next it asks for a archive mirror.  I have tried
> nearly all, but currently I am trying 'linux.csua.berkeley.edu'.  It asks
> if I need a proxy and I leave that blank and hit 'continue'. Then it says
> scanning the mirror, but I see no activity on my modem. After a few
> seconds it reports that "Bad archive Mirror - The specified Debian 
> archive mirror
> is either not available, or does not have a valid release file on it.  
> Please try a dirrerent
> mirror".  This happens no matter which mirror I choose.  I am new to 
> Debian
> and unfamiliar with its tools.  Any help or advice would be appreciated.
> Thanks
> Ed Doyle


That happened to me once using an etch install CD... The same problem
you described; I think is a bug with the installer because the problem
went away when I tried to install a testing distribution.


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Help with Debian Install

[Ed]

Hi,
I downloaded an image called debian-40r1-i386-netinst.iso.  The install
went fine until I got to the step to 'Configure the Package Manager'.
When I do this step, it asks if I want to use a network mirror and I
choose 'yes'.  It then asks for a protocol and I choose 'http' although I
also tried 'ftp' and it fails also.  Next it asks for a country and I
choose 'United States'. Next it asks for a archive mirror.  I have tried
nearly all, but currently I am trying 'linux.csua.berkeley.edu'.  It asks
if I need a proxy and I leave that blank and hit 'continue'. Then it says
scanning the mirror, but I see no activity on my modem. After a few
seconds it reports that "Bad archive Mirror - The specified Debian 
archive mirror
is either not available, or does not have a valid release file on it.  
Please try a dirrerent
mirror".  This happens no matter which mirror I choose.  I am new to 
Debian
and unfamiliar with its tools.  Any help or advice would be appreciated.
Thanks
Ed Doyle


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Re: [OT] Re: help with debian

[Celejar]

On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 00:19:56 +0200
Andrei Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:55:26 -0600
> Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
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> > On 02/19/07 13:48, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> > > On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:44:10 -0600
> > > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > 
> >  (It's been a while since I used Sylpheed, but I think it has a
> >  Reply To List option.
> > >>> It has three buttons:
> > >>>
> > >>> o Reply: Reply-to-list for lists or simple reply for normal mail.
> > >>>   If a Reply-To: is set then it gets added to Cc:. This is not
> > >>>   configurable, so I would have to delete the address by hand.
> > >>>
> > >>> o All: Reply to all
> > >>>
> > >>> o Sender: Reply only to sender (listmail or not)
> > >> Bummer.  You need a better MUA.
> > > 
> > > Please enlighten me.
> > 
> > Well, there's mutt which is TUI.  GNOME Evolution has Reply To List,
> > and Icedove has an extension which adds Reply To List.  That's what
> > I use.
> 
> As I said before, the Reply button acts as Reply-to-list in case of a
> mailing list. No problem here. The thing I'm not sure of is what is
> the correct thing to do if the poster has set a Reply-To: header.

And besides, there's the menu item 'Message / Reply to / mailing list',
which is hotkeyed by default to Ctrl-l, and can be changed by editing
~/sylpheed[-2.0]/menurc, or by the neat gtk-can-change-accels option in
~/.gtkrc[-2.0], followed by customizing the accels from within sylpheed
itself (see the sylpheed README.gz). A well designed GUI app such as
sylpheed has / can have many of the shortcuts of a TUI.

Celejar


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Re: ..Sylpheed address line bug: [OT] Re: help with debian

[Arnt Karlsen]

On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 01:15:29 +0100, Arnt wrote in message 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:20:47 GMT, s. wrote in message 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
> > Andrei Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > >  On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:31:07 GMT "s. keeling"
> > >  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > My .sig explicitly says not to Cc: me, and that's ignored too. 
> > > > Why am
> > > 
> > >  Hhhm, Sylpheed-Claws is automatically adding the Reply-To:
> > >  address to the Cc:. Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought this was the
> > >  purpose of the Reply-To: header and I trusted Sylpheed to handle
> > >  this correctly.
> > 
> > I use mutt for mail which has a "Reply To List" feature ("L").  I
> > don't know if S-C provides that or not.
> 
> ..I see how wrong Sylpheed-gtk1-1.0.6 and|or you et al handle this: 
> Sg1 has 4 options, _R_eply, R-t-_A_ll, also on its own gui button,
> R-t-_S_ender and R-t-mailing _l_ist.  _All_ of them options puts
> _you_, s.keeling, on the "To: " line, and only R-t-A will cc D-U.  
> _None_ of the options lists [EMAIL PROTECTED], 
> but maybe that's a feature.
> 
> ..Hiroyuki-san might wanna join us here?   ;o)

..having tested on my own msg and a few others, I guess he'd be pleased
to see whom's ass to sink pitchforks into, s.keeling.  ;o)

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Re: [OT] Re: help with debian

[Greg Folkert]

On Tue, 2007-02-20 at 10:54 +0100, Håkon Alstadheim wrote:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
> > Well, there's mutt which is TUI.  GNOME Evolution has Reply To List,
> > and Icedove has an extension which adds Reply To List.  That's what
> > I use.
> I've tried (several times) finding that extension. Care to tell what it
> is called?

enigmail

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Re: [OT] Re: help with debian

[Stephen]

On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 10:54:12AM +0100 or thereabouts, Håkon Alstadheim wrote:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
> > Well, there's mutt which is TUI.  GNOME Evolution has Reply To List,
> > and Icedove has an extension which adds Reply To List.  That's what
> > I use.
> I've tried (several times) finding that extension. Care to tell what it
> is called?

Reply-To-List and it's available via the extesnions web page that should
be shown in your Thunderbird/Icedove preferences.

BTW when it comes to such applications, I've always preferred the
upstream versions since they are updated quite frequently, often faster
than Debian can react.

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Re: [OT] Re: help with debian

[Håkon Alstadheim]

Ron Johnson wrote:
> Well, there's mutt which is TUI.  GNOME Evolution has Reply To List,
> and Icedove has an extension which adds Reply To List.  That's what
> I use.
I've tried (several times) finding that extension. Care to tell what it
is called?
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..Sylpheed address line bug: [OT] Re: help with debian

[Arnt Karlsen]

On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:20:47 GMT, s. wrote in message 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Andrei Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >  On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:31:07 GMT "s. keeling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >  wrote:
> > > 
> > > My .sig explicitly says not to Cc: me, and that's ignored too. 
> > > Why am
> > 
> >  Hhhm, Sylpheed-Claws is automatically adding the Reply-To: address
> >  to the Cc:. Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought this was the purpose of
> >  the Reply-To: header and I trusted Sylpheed to handle this
> >  correctly.
> 
> I use mutt for mail which has a "Reply To List" feature ("L").  I
> don't know if S-C provides that or not.

..I see how wrong Sylpheed-gtk1-1.0.6 and|or you et al handle this: 
Sg1 has 4 options, _R_eply, R-t-_A_ll, also on its own gui button,
R-t-_S_ender and R-t-mailing _l_ist.  _All_ of them options puts _you_,
s.keeling, on the "To: " line, and only R-t-A will cc D-U.  
_None_ of the options lists [EMAIL PROTECTED], 
but maybe that's a feature.

..Hiroyuki-san might wanna join us here?   ;o)

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...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry...
  Scenarios always come in sets of three: 
  best case, worst case, and just in case.


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Re: Saving threads (was Re: help with debian)

[Arnt Karlsen]

On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:39:12 +0100, Niels wrote in message 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Keep pressing the Spacebar makes you read all the post in all the
> folders rather quickly :)

..define "quickly."  ;o)

..yes, I _have_ spent 8hour days here, which would have worked for me
had I not tried to also help out at Groklaw.net and make a living.  That
combination would work if we slowed planet Earth to 42hour days. ;o)

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Re: [OT] Re: help with debian

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 12:19:56AM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> 
> As I said before, the Reply button acts as Reply-to-list in case of a
> mailing list. No problem here. The thing I'm not sure of is what is
> the correct thing to do if the poster has set a Reply-To: header.
> 
I believe that on a list, the correct header to observe is the M-F-T
header.  The R-T header might be set in the case that someone wishes to
receive email at an alias which is different from the source address of
the real email account.

Besides, it is considered bad form for the Reply-To to be munged to
point to the list: http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html

Now, if the user does it, that is one thing.  But M-F-T is the more
appropriate header.

Regards,

-Roberto

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Re: [OT] Re: help with debian

[Andrei Popescu]

On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:55:26 -0600
Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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> On 02/19/07 13:48, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> > On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:44:10 -0600
> > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
>  (It's been a while since I used Sylpheed, but I think it has a
>  Reply To List option.
> >>> It has three buttons:
> >>>
> >>> o Reply: Reply-to-list for lists or simple reply for normal mail.
> >>>   If a Reply-To: is set then it gets added to Cc:. This is not
> >>>   configurable, so I would have to delete the address by hand.
> >>>
> >>> o All: Reply to all
> >>>
> >>> o Sender: Reply only to sender (listmail or not)
> >> Bummer.  You need a better MUA.
> > 
> > Please enlighten me.
> 
> Well, there's mutt which is TUI.  GNOME Evolution has Reply To List,
> and Icedove has an extension which adds Reply To List.  That's what
> I use.

As I said before, the Reply button acts as Reply-to-list in case of a
mailing list. No problem here. The thing I'm not sure of is what is
the correct thing to do if the poster has set a Reply-To: header.

Regards,
Andrei
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Re: [OT] Re: help with debian

[Ron Johnson]

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On 02/19/07 13:48, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:44:10 -0600
> Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
 (It's been a while since I used Sylpheed, but I think it has a
 Reply To List option.
>>> It has three buttons:
>>>
>>> o Reply: Reply-to-list for lists or simple reply for normal mail.
>>>   If a Reply-To: is set then it gets added to Cc:. This is not
>>>   configurable, so I would have to delete the address by hand.
>>>
>>> o All: Reply to all
>>>
>>> o Sender: Reply only to sender (listmail or not)
>> Bummer.  You need a better MUA.
> 
> Please enlighten me.

Well, there's mutt which is TUI.  GNOME Evolution has Reply To List,
and Icedove has an extension which adds Reply To List.  That's what
I use.
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Re: [OT] Re: help with debian

[s. keeling]

Andrei Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>  On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:44:10 -0600
>  Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > >> (It's been a while since I used Sylpheed, but I think it has a
> > >> Reply To List option.
> > > 
> > > It has three buttons:
> > > 
> > > o Reply: Reply-to-list for lists or simple reply for normal mail.
> > >   If a Reply-To: is set then it gets added to Cc:. This is not
> > >   configurable, so I would have to delete the address by hand.
> > > 
> > > o All: Reply to all
> > > 
> > > o Sender: Reply only to sender (listmail or not)
> > 
> > Bummer.  You need a better MUA.
> 
>  Please enlighten me.

mutt, at least, has Reply To List.  It knows that L means to reply to
the list address, not the message's author.  There must be GUI mailers
that support this too, if you need a GUI MUA.

btw, I've since commented out "set replyto ..." in my .slrnrc, so you
shouldn't see a Reply-To: in this post (though I'm not yet sure that's
a bright thing to do).  If that's the right thing to do, perhaps this
is what was confusing S-C.  If so, my apologies.

Also btw, I read the list via a mail to news gateway which is why I'm
using a newsreader to interact with the mailing list.


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Re: [OT] Re: help with debian

[Andrei Popescu]

On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:44:10 -0600
Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> >> (It's been a while since I used Sylpheed, but I think it has a
> >> Reply To List option.
> > 
> > It has three buttons:
> > 
> > o Reply: Reply-to-list for lists or simple reply for normal mail.
> >   If a Reply-To: is set then it gets added to Cc:. This is not
> >   configurable, so I would have to delete the address by hand.
> > 
> > o All: Reply to all
> > 
> > o Sender: Reply only to sender (listmail or not)
> 
> Bummer.  You need a better MUA.

Please enlighten me.

Regards,
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Re: [OT] Re: help with debian

[Ron Johnson]

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On 02/19/07 11:52, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 11:22:53 -0600
> Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
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>> On 02/19/07 10:44, Andrei Popescu wrote:
>>> On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:31:07 GMT
>>> "s. keeling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
 Andrei Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>  On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 19:45:10 GMT
>  "s. keeling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  [snip]
>> [snip]
>>> Hhhm, Sylpheed-Claws is automatically adding the Reply-To: address
>>> to the Cc:. Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought this was the purpose of
>>> the Reply-To: header and I trusted Sylpheed to handle this
>>> correctly.
>> The Reply-To: header tells it where to reply to.  That does not
>> control whether you click on "Reply To All" or not.
>>
>> (It's been a while since I used Sylpheed, but I think it has a Reply
>> To List option.
> 
> It has three buttons:
> 
> o Reply: Reply-to-list for lists or simple reply for normal mail.
>   If a Reply-To: is set then it gets added to Cc:. This is not
>   configurable, so I would have to delete the address by hand.
> 
> o All: Reply to all
> 
> o Sender: Reply only to sender (listmail or not)

Bummer.  You need a better MUA.

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Re: [OT] Re: help with debian

[Andrei Popescu]

On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 11:22:53 -0600
Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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> On 02/19/07 10:44, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> > On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:31:07 GMT
> > "s. keeling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> >> Andrei Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >>>  On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 19:45:10 GMT
> >>>  "s. keeling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>  [snip]
> [snip]
> > Hhhm, Sylpheed-Claws is automatically adding the Reply-To: address
> > to the Cc:. Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought this was the purpose of
> > the Reply-To: header and I trusted Sylpheed to handle this
> > correctly.
> 
> The Reply-To: header tells it where to reply to.  That does not
> control whether you click on "Reply To All" or not.
> 
> (It's been a while since I used Sylpheed, but I think it has a Reply
> To List option.

It has three buttons:

o Reply: Reply-to-list for lists or simple reply for normal mail.
  If a Reply-To: is set then it gets added to Cc:. This is not
  configurable, so I would have to delete the address by hand.

o All: Reply to all

o Sender: Reply only to sender (listmail or not)

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Re: [OT] Re: help with debian

[s. keeling]

Andrei Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>  On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:31:07 GMT "s. keeling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > My .sig explicitly says not to Cc: me, and that's ignored too.  Why am
> 
>  Hhhm, Sylpheed-Claws is automatically adding the Reply-To: address to
>  the Cc:. Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought this was the purpose of the
>  Reply-To: header and I trusted Sylpheed to handle this correctly.

I use mutt for mail which has a "Reply To List" feature ("L").  I
don't know if S-C provides that or not.


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Re: [OT] Re: help with debian

[Ron Johnson]

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On 02/19/07 10:44, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:31:07 GMT
> "s. keeling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> Andrei Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>>  On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 19:45:10 GMT
>>>  "s. keeling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>  [snip]
[snip]
> Hhhm, Sylpheed-Claws is automatically adding the Reply-To: address to
> the Cc:. Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought this was the purpose of the
> Reply-To: header and I trusted Sylpheed to handle this correctly.

The Reply-To: header tells it where to reply to.  That does not
control whether you click on "Reply To All" or not.

(It's been a while since I used Sylpheed, but I think it has a Reply
To List option.
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Re: [OT] Re: help with debian

[Andrei Popescu]

On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:31:07 GMT
"s. keeling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Andrei Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >  On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 19:45:10 GMT
> >  "s. keeling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> >  [snip]
> > 
> >  I think you are overreacting a bit.
> 
> Oh?  About what?
> 
> I'm serious.  You snipped the context too, so anyone coming across
> this post will have no idea what we're talking about, unless they've
> been following the thread.

It's difficult to find the perfect balance of snipping ...

> BTW: http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/
> 
>"When replying to messages on the mailing list, do not send a
>carbon copy (CC) to the original poster unless they explicitly
>request to be copied."
> 
> My .sig explicitly says not to Cc: me, and that's ignored too.  Why am
> I forced to explicitly request not to be Cc:'d when that is list
> policy?  Because people are slack and can't be bothered to learn the
> rules anymore.

Hhhm, Sylpheed-Claws is automatically adding the Reply-To: address to
the Cc:. Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought this was the purpose of the
Reply-To: header and I trusted Sylpheed to handle this correctly.

Regards,
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[s. keeling]

Andrei Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>  On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 19:45:10 GMT
>  "s. keeling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>  [snip]
> 
>  I think you are overreacting a bit.

Oh?  About what?

I'm serious.  You snipped the context too, so anyone coming across
this post will have no idea what we're talking about, unless they've
been following the thread.

>  For people following the thread I
>  think it was pretty obvious what he meant and for people searching the

I noted the mysql/postgresql flamewar in passing.  I didn't bother to
read it (it just wasn't relevant to me).  Now, some nitwit posts one
line, prefaced by an irrelevant Subject: line, and I'm supposed to
know what he's talking about, or it's my responsibility to dig into
the archives to discover the context?  Why?

One of the main reasons I read these lists is I might be able to help
someone with problems they're having.  Encouraging bad behaviour on
the list is just asking people like me to find some other, less
irritating, way to do that.

BTW: http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/

   "When replying to messages on the mailing list, do not send a
   carbon copy (CC) to the original poster unless they explicitly
   request to be copied."

My .sig explicitly says not to Cc: me, and that's ignored too.  Why am
I forced to explicitly request not to be Cc:'d when that is list
policy?  Because people are slack and can't be bothered to learn the
rules anymore.


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Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 02/18/07 22:46, Kent West wrote:
>> Andrei Popescu wrote:
>>> It would have been better to quote a few lines, but the thread is still
>>> fresh. It's not like he posted to an age-old thread, where context is
>>> really important.
>>>   
>> Not meaning to take sides, but I myself don't keep up with threads; I
>> deal with a message, then toss it and the related messages. If another
> 
> Why not?  Pressing M (to Mark As Read) is just as easy as pressing Del.

Why not just press the Spacebar ?

This IMHO the best feature in Icedove!

Keep pressing the Spacebar makes you read all the post in all the folders
rather quickly :)



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[Ron Johnson]

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On 02/18/07 22:46, Kent West wrote:
> Andrei Popescu wrote:
>> It would have been better to quote a few lines, but the thread is still
>> fresh. It's not like he posted to an age-old thread, where context is
>> really important.
>>   
> 
> Not meaning to take sides, but I myself don't keep up with threads; I
> deal with a message, then toss it and the related messages. If another

Why not?  Pressing M (to Mark As Read) is just as easy as pressing Del.


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Re: help with debian

[Kent West]

Andrei Popescu wrote:
> It would have been better to quote a few lines, but the thread is still
> fresh. It's not like he posted to an age-old thread, where context is
> really important.
>   

Not meaning to take sides, but I myself don't keep up with threads; I
deal with a message, then toss it and the related messages. If another
message comes in two hours later, I expect context, or lacking that, am
willing sometimes to go find the archive if I need a reminder for my
short-sighted Quick-On-the-Delete-button habit.

It's understandable that a newbie posting will expect others on the list
to remember him and his posts, even if they're only two minutes old.
(After all, they're important to the poster, so they _must_ be important
to others also.) But even so, that expectation is wrong and rude.


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Re: help with debian

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> Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>  On 02/18/07 10:28, s. keeling wrote:
>>> Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
  On 02/17/07 16:43, s. keeling wrote:
> boast <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
[snip]
> How's that Cajun of yours coming along?

Dunno.  Divorced her 16(?) years ago.

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Re: help with debian

[Andrei Popescu]

On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 19:45:10 GMT
"s. keeling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

[snip]

I think you are overreacting a bit. For people following the thread I
think it was pretty obvious what he meant and for people searching the
archives it would be the same, as they would have read the entire
thread at once.

It would have been better to quote a few lines, but the thread is still
fresh. It's not like he posted to an age-old thread, where context is
really important.

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Re: help with debian

[s. keeling]

Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
>  On 02/18/07 10:28, s. keeling wrote:
> > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >>  On 02/17/07 16:43, s. keeling wrote:
> >>> boast <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>   thanks. It was "syslog2mysql.sh"
> >>  See what you get for using MySQL?
> >>
> >>> WTF are you talking about?!?
> >>  Steve, has the cold, Quebec (or is it Ontario, I keep forgetting)
> >>  wind frozen your brain?
> > 
> > Clueless luser "boasty" posts an answer (to what?!?), providing no
> > context, quoting no-one or anything, prefaced by a useless and
> > inappropriate Subject: line ...
> 
>  Google is your friend.
> 
>  http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/syslog-ng.htm

This is not "The Web."  This is a mailing list, and a gated to Usenet
mailing list for me.  I don't read this list in a browser, nor should
I have to.  There's lots of resources out there where people can go to
learn how it should be done.  I doubt many of them _expect_ me to have
to dig back into archives in order to learn the context of a clueless
luser's inadequate reply.

> > "boasty" apparently doesn't know how ridiculous this looks.  Now
> > that it's brought to his attention, he has an opportunity to learn.
> 
>  Other people were able to decipher his OP.

As I could have too.  This is a mailing list or newsfroup, not a web
forum.

> > Just doing my bit in the war on entropy.
> 
>  No, just making yourself look like a bitter old Quebecois.

And you're helping the idiots out there corrupt what works well and
has worked well for quite some time.  You want to read a web forum, go
find one.  This is not it.

How's that Cajun of yours coming along?


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On 02/18/07 10:28, s. keeling wrote:
> Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>  On 02/17/07 16:43, s. keeling wrote:
>>> boast <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
  thanks. It was "syslog2mysql.sh"
>>  See what you get for using MySQL?
>>
>>> WTF are you talking about?!?
>>  Steve, has the cold, Quebec (or is it Ontario, I keep forgetting)
>>  wind frozen your brain?
> 
> Clueless luser "boasty" posts an answer (to what?!?), providing no
> context, quoting no-one or anything, prefaced by a useless and
> inappropriate Subject: line ...

Google is your friend.

http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/syslog-ng.htm

Setup syslog-ng to MySQL pipe

An example for a script that feeds log entries from the
FIFO pipe to MySQL is included in the scripts directory.
The script is called syslog2mysql.sh.

> "boasty" apparently doesn't know how ridiculous this looks.  Now
> that it's brought to his attention, he has an opportunity to learn.

Other people were able to decipher his OP.

> Just doing my bit in the war on entropy.

No, just making yourself look like a bitter old Quebecois.
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Re: help with debian

[s. keeling]

Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
>  On 02/17/07 16:43, s. keeling wrote:
> > boast <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >>  thanks. It was "syslog2mysql.sh"
> 
>  See what you get for using MySQL?
> 
> > WTF are you talking about?!?
> 
>  Steve, has the cold, Quebec (or is it Ontario, I keep forgetting)
>  wind frozen your brain?

Clueless luser "boasty" posts an answer (to what?!?), providing no
context, quoting no-one or anything, prefaced by a useless and
inappropriate Subject: line ...

"boasty" apparently doesn't know how ridiculous this looks.  Now
that it's brought to his attention, he has an opportunity to learn.

Just doing my bit in the war on entropy.


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On 02/17/07 16:43, s. keeling wrote:
> boast <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>  thanks. It was "syslog2mysql.sh"

See what you get for using MySQL?

> WTF are you talking about?!?

Steve, has the cold, Quebec (or is it Ontario, I keep forgetting)
wind frozen your brain?

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boast <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
>  thanks. It was "syslog2mysql.sh"
> 
> 

WTF are you talking about?!?


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Re: help with debian start-up freezing

[Douglas Allan Tutty]

On Fri, Feb 09, 2007 at 12:57:20PM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 09, 2007 at 12:22:53PM -0800, James Smith wrote:
> >  Startup stuck on "starting openbsd secure shell server...
> >  i removed ssh, but now it freezes after starting up samba daemons
> 
> this is likely some networking problem that is causing theses network
> services to bomb. First, does it get "stuck" forever? how long have
> you waited? I would think these things should time out eventually, but
> maybe not. 
> 
> you can boot up a live cd (the installer would work too, probably) and
> chroot into the install, use update-rc.d to remove the problem
> services one a time til you can get a good boot. Then sort your
> networking and bring the services back online.
> 

Without a live CD you can boot single.  Networking comes up under
/etc/rcS.d, whereas ssh comes up under /etc/rc2.d.  Once you're in
single user mode, you can cd into /etc/rc2.d and start each script in
turn, skipping any that make sense to skip until you narrow down the
culprits.  

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Re: help with debian start-up freezing

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Fri, Feb 09, 2007 at 12:22:53PM -0800, James Smith wrote:
> Debian sarge k2.6
>  
>  Startup stuck on "starting openbsd secure shell server...
>  
>  I had done a 'apt-get upgrade' and on reboot, debian gets stuck on "Starting 
> openbsd secure shell server: sshd"
>  
>  And In recovery mode, restarting the computer, it gets stuck on "stopping 
> openbsd secure shell server: sshd"
>  
>  i removed ssh, but now it freezes after starting up samba daemons

this is likely some networking problem that is causing theses network
services to bomb. First, does it get "stuck" forever? how long have
you waited? I would think these things should time out eventually, but
maybe not. 

you can boot up a live cd (the installer would work too, probably) and
chroot into the install, use update-rc.d to remove the problem
services one a time til you can get a good boot. Then sort your
networking and bring the services back online.

of course, from the live cd/chroot, you can probably just figure out
your networking problem and solve it without ever having to disable
any services. also, you can view the logs... 

send us any relevant log messages and contents of
/etc/network/interfaces.

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Debian sarge k2.6
 
 Startup stuck on "starting openbsd secure shell server...
 
 I had done a 'apt-get upgrade' and on reboot, debian gets stuck on "Starting 
openbsd secure shell server: sshd"
 
 And In recovery mode, restarting the computer, it gets stuck on "stopping 
openbsd secure shell server: sshd"
 
 i removed ssh, but now it freezes after starting up samba daemons
 
 I don't know what causes it. This has been my second debian install with this 
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Re: help with Debian

[Rodney Richison]

>>I personally prefer emacs, but it doesn't really have a graphical HTML
>>edit mode that I'm aware of.  Perhaps somebody else here on the list can
>>make a better suggestion for a GUI HTML editor.
>>
>>
>>
>>
Have a look at NVU.


>
> Quanta Plus is pretty good.  It has a page editor that generates the HTML 
>coding, plus it has dialog windows for developing CSS files and other various 
>items like tables or forms.
>
>
>  
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Re: help with Debian

[Anthony Simonelli]

On Friday 10 February 2006 11:52 am, ke6isf wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Feb 2006, Cuthbert Smith Consulting wrote:
> > First off, Im not sure what you mean to persue /etc/apache/httpd.conf, do
> > I type that in the web browser or look for it in my explorer.
>
> Neither.  You'll have to be logged into your web server in order to locate
> this file, preferably by way of ssh or direct access at the console.
>
> You now have me curious, what's this server's history, and how did you get
> your hands on it?  Vaguely important, how familiar are you with Unix-like
> environments?
>
> > Secondly, if you dont support Frontpage, what do you recommend I use,
> > bearing in mind I dont know how to write programs, I am pretty much a
> > wisywig type person or window environment.
>
> I personally prefer emacs, but it doesn't really have a graphical HTML
> edit mode that I'm aware of.  Perhaps somebody else here on the list can
> make a better suggestion for a GUI HTML editor.
>
> -Dennis Carr

 Quanta Plus is pretty good.  It has a page editor that generates the HTML 
coding, plus it has dialog windows for developing CSS files and other various 
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Re: help with Debian

[Kevin Mark]

On Fri, Feb 10, 2006 at 10:10:52AM -0700, Cuthbert Smith Consulting wrote:
> Hello, my name is Sandra Holden, 
> 
> We are in the process of creating a website for our company.  We have a
> domain name cuthbertsmith.com which we aquired through Roger Rendek at
> Caisnet.  
> 
> So, when I type in the domain name, it opens up to this Debian/Apache page
> "Welcome to your new home in cyberspace".
> 
> I am not a computer programmer, but feel fairly confident in my computer
> skills, I have created my website using FrontPage.  I need to know how to
> now upload my website to our webpage.
> 
> I have tried reading your information but find it fairly technical.  Would
> someone please help me with this?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Sandra
> 
> Cuthbert Smith Consulting Partnership Inc.
Hi Sandra,
The apache server can server static and dynamic web pages. At the
moment, you suggest that you can create static webpages. But you at the
moment do not have the familiarity with the process of transferring web
pages to your web server. This would usually be accomplished with one of
two tool: ftp or ssh. I would suggest getting assisance from the folks
hosting your server. Beyond that I'd suggest a trip to a local library,
browse google for 'basic file upload' or browsing a book store and
looking for the o'riley books. And of course you may want to hire a
consultant to give your a basic tutorial or even hire someone to do the
pages. There is also another option that may require some extra effort.
You could try to learn some stuff about Gnu/Linux at a local linux users
group (aka a LUG). Most are very helpful and welcoming to new users.
There is one caveat: web pages are meant to represent professionalism,
so if you can not do justice to the web site by the standards of the
partners, it is worth it to hire someone to create something that
represents your organization.
feel free to ask more question.
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Re: help with Debian [How to upload a website to a debian web server]

[Mark Fletcher]

Cuthbert Smith Consulting wrote:

Thank you, I have tried contacting my host, but have not had much luck 
which was why I went to Debian/Apache.  I will keep trying, thanks for 
your information.


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Here's the bottom line. Your provider should have provided you with 
information, understandable to non-techie people, on how to upload your 
website content on their server. If they didn't, they damn well ought to 
have done.


As someone else mentioned the most common / simplest mechanism is for 
them to give you the address of an FTP (File Transfer Protocol) server 
somewhere on the net that you send your files to. The more sophisticated 
providers will wrap that up in some sort of website so you essentially 
go to the site, log in, click links to upload your HTML etc files, wait 
a short while and hey presto your website is deployed. Less 
sophisticated ones just give you an address, a login and a password but 
will probably give you more help if you ask / pay for it.


If your provider has done none of the above despite your asking 
specifically for help with this problem, you should consider switching 
providers as that quite frankly is crap.


The fact that your provider allows the default Debian / Apache page to 
display if you don't upload content, and doesn't instead replace that 
with their own page saying how great they are and what a great deal 
their subscribers get by using them, tends to place them in the 
non-sophisticated category in my mind -- but I could be wrong. In any 
event they ought to be willing to help non-technical customers get their 
site up and running.


Apologies if I seem to have got unnecessarily fired up about this one, 
but seeing non-technical people lost in the techie wilderness and 
getting no help raises my hackles like nothing else, and some of the 
people in this forum, while all trying to be helpful I'm sure, have been 
guilty of making the same assumptions as your provider seems to have 
made -- viz that you are technically skilled at maintaining a web site.


Anyway focus your energies on your provider, don't take no (or silence) 
for an answer, and ultimately consider switching providers if you don't 
get the help you deserve. (Please don't ask me to recommend a provider 
-- I'm afraid I don't know)


Good luck

Mark


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Re: help with Debian [How to upload a website to a debian web server]

[Kent West]

Cuthbert Smith Consulting wrote:

Thank you, I have tried contacting my host, but have not had much luck 
which was why I went to Debian/Apache.  I will keep trying, thanks for 
your information.


Basically your host is using Debian/Apache on the host server, and since 
you have yet to upload any content, Debian's default page is displayed.


The host provider should have provided you with an ftp address 
(probably), allowing you to ftp up your web content. There are any 
number of ftp programs that would get you in (Windows even has a [very 
poor] ftp client built in). Basically you just connect to that address, 
and copy up the files, and then you should be able to see your content 
from a web browser.


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Re: help with Debian [How to upload a website to a debian web server]

[ke6isf]

On Fri, 10 Feb 2006, Cuthbert Smith Consulting wrote:

> Thank you, I have tried contacting my host, but have not had much luck
> which was why I went to Debian/Apache.  I will keep trying, thanks for
> your information.

Glad to help, but could you please not send your emails as XML?  When you
do that, it runs all your paragraphs together and makes the message
difficult tor ead.

-Dennis Carr


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Re: help with Debian [How to upload a website to a debian web server]

[Cuthbert Smith Consulting]

Thank you, I have tried contacting my host, but have not had much luck which was why I went to Debian/Apache.  I will keep trying, thanks for your information.

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Re: help with Debian [How to upload a website to a debian web server]

[Todd Weaver]

On Fri, Feb 10, 2006 at 10:10:52AM -0700, Cuthbert Smith Consulting wrote:
> So, when I type in the domain name, it opens up to this Debian/Apache page
> "Welcome to your new home in cyberspace".
> 
> I am not a computer programmer, but feel fairly confident in my computer
> skills, I have created my website using FrontPage.  I need to know how to
> now upload my website to our webpage.

The process is as follows:

1) Contact the administrator that setup your web server.
   Ask him/her to provide you with:
   a) username
   b) password
   c) protocol to upload files with and recommendation on software to use:
  i) ftp
 ii) scp (ex: winscp http://winscp.net/eng/download.php )
iii) ...
   d) server location ( of course "cuthbertsmith.com" would work).
   e) directory to upload your files to after you connect to your server.

2) Download the recommended software to communicate with your web server.

3) Use that software to connect to your webserver, entering in your
   username/password

4) browse to the directory to upload your files to.

5) upload your files,
   (overwriting the default index.html page that you see now)

Todd.


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Re: help with Debian

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 10 February 2006 14:21, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
>On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:43:25 -0500
>
>Gene Heskett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> well aged (71) wet ram.
>
>ah ha! surliness explained ;-)
>
>cheers
>
>A

Well, one does tend to get to the point where there is little or no 
tolerance for stupidity, particularly if its accompanied by evidence of 
an education.  I managed the 8th grade, and went off to fix tv's for a 
living before 1950 rolled around, so the fancy education papers have 
been replaced by a GED, a 1st Phone, a C.E.T. and a diploma from the 
University of Hard Knocks plus a lot of been there, done thats, some of 
which even make good reading at the right time & place.  Yes, it (UHK) 
really does exist, as an arm of Alderson-Broddus College in Phillipe 
WV, a Methodist(I think) Theolegy(sp), pre-med & nursing school.  I was 
one of the younger graduates a decade+ back up the log now.

OTOH, I've certainly posted more than one persons share of numbskull 
remarks, so I really, really should be more tolerant. :)

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Re: help with Debian

[Katipo]

Cuthbert Smith Consulting wrote:


*ke6isf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
*

Ok, so then I looked briefly at this emacs, and it refered to 
something called webgui, which says if you are not a programmer can 
take days to install.  (days?!!!).  Well thanks for your 
consideration, Im going to have to go back to the beginning and try to 
get hold of our CAISNET Person who set this all up and see from there.


Thanks,

Sandra


Try Bluefish.

http://bluefish.openoffice.nl/index.html


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Re: help with Debian

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:43:25 -0500
Gene Heskett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 
> well aged (71) wet ram.
> 

ah ha! surliness explained ;-)

cheers

A


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Re: help with Debian

[Cuthbert Smith Consulting]

ke6isf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
On Fri, 10 Feb 2006, Cuthbert Smith Consulting wrote:

Neither.  You'll have to be logged into your web server in order to locate
this file, preferably by way of ssh or direct access at the console.

Thank you

You now have me curious, what's this server's history, and how did you get
your hands on it?  Vaguely important, how familiar are you with Unix-like
environments?

I dont know my servers history, Im not at all familiar with Unix, I work strictly in a windows enviromnent (office xp) on a PC connected to an office network.  Im the office adminstrator and am working on designing a website. 

I personally prefer emacs, but it doesn't really have a graphical HTML
edit mode that I'm aware of.  Perhaps somebody else here on the list can
make a better suggestion for a GUI HTML editor.

Ok, so then I looked briefly at this emacs, and it refered to something called webgui, which says if you are not a programmer can take days to install.  (days?!!!).  Well thanks for your consideration, Im going to have to go back to the beginning and try to get hold of our CAISNET Person who set this all up and see from there.

Thanks,

Sandra

-Dennis Carr




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Re: help with Debian

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 10 February 2006 12:37, Cuthbert Smith Consulting wrote:
>ke6isf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>Not being one to support Frontpage (and, in fact, considering it
>> extremely harmful),

Not only harmfull, but a web page created by frontpage has yet to pass 
the w3c consortium sites html validation suite test.  In short its 
busted.  But it works with IE, so thats what counts for M$. :(

>> I can tell you that, under its default 
>> configuration, Apache will expect your HTML data to livein
>> /var/www/html somewhere.  You can get clues on exactly where by
>> perusing /etc/apache/httpd.conf.  Upload accordingly.
>
>Thanks for your quick response.
>
>First off, Im not sure what you mean to persue /etc/apache/httpd.conf,
> do I type that in the web browser or look for it in my explorer.
>
>Secondly, if you dont support Frontpage, what do you recommend I use,
>bearing in mind I dont know how to write programs, I am pretty much a
>wisywig type person or window environment.
>
You may want to look at Quanta Plus, and there's another one thats 
considered pretty good but its name has faded into oblivion in my well 
aged (71) wet ram.

>Our website is pretty basic, a home page with an animated logo (I
> created using RAVE) and then the rest of the pages are basic text,
> photos, and hyperlinks.
>
>Sandra
>
>Cuthbert Smith Consulting Partnership Inc.
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>Edmonton, AB T5R 4E5
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> you.

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Re: help with Debian

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:52:10 -0800 (PST)
ke6isf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Fri, 10 Feb 2006, Cuthbert Smith Consulting wrote:
> 
> > First off, Im not sure what you mean to persue /etc/apache/httpd.conf, do
> > I type that in the web browser or look for it in my explorer.
> 
> Neither.  You'll have to be logged into your web server in order to locate
> this file, preferably by way of ssh or direct access at the console.
> 
> You now have me curious, what's this server's history, and how did you get
> your hands on it?  Vaguely important, how familiar are you with Unix-like
> environments?
> 
> > Secondly, if you dont support Frontpage, what do you recommend I use,
> > bearing in mind I dont know how to write programs, I am pretty much a
> > wisywig type person or window environment.
> 
> I personally prefer emacs, but it doesn't really have a graphical HTML
> edit mode that I'm aware of.  Perhaps somebody else here on the list can
> make a better suggestion for a GUI HTML editor.
> 
> -Dennis Carr
> 

His website is running apache on debian, but I *think* he is a windows user 
trying to figure out how to get in and set up his webpage. on that I have no 
advice, but others may.

A

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Re: help with Debian

[Cuthbert Smith Consulting]

ke6isf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Not being one to support Frontpage (and, in fact, considering it extremely
harmful), I can tell you that, under its default configuration, Apache
will expect your HTML data to livein /var/www/html somewhere.  You can get
clues on exactly where by perusing /etc/apache/httpd.conf.  Upload
accordingly.

Thanks for your quick response.

First off, Im not sure what you mean to persue /etc/apache/httpd.conf, do I type that in the web browser or look for it in my explorer.

Secondly, if you dont support Frontpage, what do you recommend I use, bearing in mind I dont know how to write programs, I am pretty much a wisywig type person or window environment.

Our website is pretty basic, a home page with an animated logo (I created using RAVE) and then the rest of the pages are basic text, photos, and hyperlinks.

Sandra

Cuthbert Smith Consulting Partnership Inc.
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Re: help with Debian

[ke6isf]

On Fri, 10 Feb 2006, Cuthbert Smith Consulting wrote:

> First off, Im not sure what you mean to persue /etc/apache/httpd.conf, do
> I type that in the web browser or look for it in my explorer.

Neither.  You'll have to be logged into your web server in order to locate
this file, preferably by way of ssh or direct access at the console.

You now have me curious, what's this server's history, and how did you get
your hands on it?  Vaguely important, how familiar are you with Unix-like
environments?

> Secondly, if you dont support Frontpage, what do you recommend I use,
> bearing in mind I dont know how to write programs, I am pretty much a
> wisywig type person or window environment.

I personally prefer emacs, but it doesn't really have a graphical HTML
edit mode that I'm aware of.  Perhaps somebody else here on the list can
make a better suggestion for a GUI HTML editor.

-Dennis Carr


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Re: help with Debian

[ke6isf]

On Fri, 10 Feb 2006, Cuthbert Smith Consulting wrote:

> I am not a computer programmer, but feel fairly confident in my computer
> skills, I have created my website using FrontPage.  I need to know how to
> now upload my website to our webpage.

Not being one to support Frontpage (and, in fact, considering it extremely
harmful), I can tell you that, under its default configuration, Apache
will expect your HTML data to livein /var/www/html somewhere.  You can get
clues on exactly where by perusing /etc/apache/httpd.conf.  Upload
accordingly.

-Dennis Carr


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help with Debian

[Cuthbert Smith Consulting]

Hello, my name is Sandra Holden, 

We are in the process of creating a website for our company.  We have a domain name cuthbertsmith.com which we aquired through Roger Rendek at Caisnet.  

So, when I type in the domain name, it opens up to this Debian/Apache page "Welcome to your new home in cyberspace".

I am not a computer programmer, but feel fairly confident in my computer skills, I have created my website using FrontPage.  I need to know how to now upload my website to our webpage.

I have tried reading your information but find it fairly technical.  Would someone please help me with this?

Cheers,

Sandra

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Re: need help with Debian

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On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 14:51:27 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> 
> Hello, I'm writting from El Salvador and I would like to receive some help with the 
> installation of your operative system DEBIAN (debian-30r2-hppa-binary-1.iso)
> on a HP Visualize Workstation.
> 
> I have problems in the phase of starting the installation, cause the PC unpluggs the 
> USB ports (that is the port of the keyboard). So I can't continue the installation 
> cause I can't type any key.
Hmmm... if you can't install using the default way (using the 'normal
way' of inserting a cd, with a keyboard and monitor nearby) - have you
tried installing via a serial console? The installation guidelines do
have instructions for different types of install possible on PA-RISC.

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Hello, I'm writting from El Salvador and I would like to receive some help with the 
installation of your operative system DEBIAN (debian-30r2-hppa-binary-1.iso)
on a HP Visualize Workstation.

I have problems in the phase of starting the installation, cause the PC unpluggs the 
USB ports (that is the port of the keyboard). So I can't continue the installation 
cause I can't type any key.
 

Re: Help with Debian Linux

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> It installed with a very little degree of difficulty but I am unable
> to launch X windows.  It starts up then bombs out with a error
> message of "No such file or directory".  This happens right after
> installation?  Please help...

Right.  You haven't installed it yet.

apt-get install xserver-xfree86

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Re: Help with Debian Linux

[Ron Jr]

On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 11:13, Leo and Shelby wrote:
> hello,
>  
>  
> I have recently downloaded your 3.0 release for the x86 platform. 
> It installed with a very little degree of difficulty but I am unable
> to launch X windows.  It starts up then bombs out with a error message
> of "No such file or directory".  This happens right after
> installation?  Please help...

What command are you using to start X?

P.S. - Please turn off HTML formatting.

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hello,
 
 
    I have recently downloaded your 
3.0 release for the x86 platform.  It installed with a very little degree 
of difficulty but I am unable to launch X windows.  It starts up then bombs 
out with a error message of "No such file or directory".  This happens 
right after installation?  Please help...
 
 
Leo

Re: Help with Debian apt-get & Gnome2

[Shyamal Prasad]

"Anand" == Anand Subramanian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Anand> Hi, I recently converted to Debian from RH and though I
Anand> managed to install Debian 3.0 rev0 on my laptop and could
Anand> connect to the internet via DSL, I simply am not able to
Anand> upgrade to Gnome2. Installation on my Presario 715US was my
Anand> smoothest ever...but the 2.2 kernel, old gnome etc. make it
Anand> painful for a recent convert 

apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-k7

should fix the first problem replace (the Presario is an Athlon,
right). Be sure to follow the initrd instructions for LILO, and update
/etc/modules to load the modules you need! The 2.4.18 kernels are very
modular, and they work very well (for me anyway).

I don't run Gnome 2, but from what I've heard you probably want to be
running sid (unstable) or use a backport

Try looking at http://www.hadess.net/idoru.php3

/Shyamal

PS: Does the term "B2" make any sense to you, I used to know some one
with your name in college.


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Re: Help with Debian apt-get & Gnome2

[Hubert Chan]

> "Anand" == Anand Subramanian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Anand> Hi, I recently converted to Debian from RH and though I managed
Anand> to install Debian 3.0 rev0 on my laptop and could connect to the
Anand> internet via DSL, I simply am not able to upgrade to
Anand> Gnome2. Installation on my Presario 715US was my smoothest
Anand> ever...but the 2.2 kernel, old gnome etc. make it painful for a
Anand> recent convert 

Anand> I tried several variations of : $apt-get --fix-broken -t
Anand> experimental install gnome2 but it throws up a whole list of
Anand> dependencies : ...

I bet that you're running into the problem of apt not wanting to
automatically upgrade packages from project/experimental.  This makes a
lot of sense when you realize that experimental contains many packages
(e.g. libpam0g) that could easily break your system, and which haven't
been fully tested.  (After all, that's why it's called experimental.)

You need to tell apt to upgrade those packages that you want to upgrade
using "pinning".  "man apt_preferences" for more information.
Basically, you need to create an /etc/apt/preferences file which lists
all the packages that you want to upgrade, and assign it a higher Pin.
It is possible to assign the Pin to the entire experimental archive, but
don't do that unless you want to mess up your system.

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Re: Help with Debian apt-get & Gnome2

[Quenten Griffith]

Well for the 2.2 kernel part, when you installed Debain 3.0 you had the 
option to use the 2.4 kernel by typing something like 2.4bf2 at the boot 
prompt, or you can pull in the source and compile it.

Anand Subramanian wrote:

>Hi,
>I recently converted to Debian from RH and though I managed to install Debian 3.0 
>rev0 on my laptop and could connect to the internet via DSL, I simply am not able to 
>upgrade to Gnome2. Installation on my Presario 715US was my smoothest ever...but the 
>2.2 kernel, old gnome etc. make it painful for a recent convert 
>
>I tried several variations of :
>$apt-get --fix-broken -t experimental install gnome2
>but it throws up a whole list of dependencies :
>
>gnome2: Depends: bug-buddy (>= 2.2.0) but 2.0.8-1 is to be installed
>  Depends: gnome-control-center2 but it is not going to be installed
>  Depends: libeel2-2 but it is not installable
>  Depends: eog2 but it is not going to be installed
>  Depends: gnome-applets2 but it is not going to be installed
>  
>  Depends: gedit (>= 2.0.1) but it is not going to be installed
>  Depends: file-roller2 but it is not installable
>  Depends: gnome-games (>= 2.0.2-1) but it is not going to be installed
>E: Sorry, broken packages
>
>
>
>My sources.list looks like this :
>
>deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main
>deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ ../project/experimental main
>deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ ../project/experimental main
>
># See sources.list(5) for more information, especialy
># Remember that you can only use http, ftp or file URIs
># CDROMs are managed through the apt-cdrom tool.
>deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free
>#deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib non-free
>#deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free
>
># Uncomment if you want the apt-get source function to work
>deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free
>#deb-src http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable non-US
>
>
>deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free contrib
>deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free contrib
>/etc/apt/sources.list: unmodified: line 1
>
>
>Any pointers anyone? Please reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] as I am not subscribed to 
>this list.
>
>TIA,
>Anand
>
>
>  
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Help with Debian apt-get & Gnome2

[Anand Subramanian]

Hi,
I recently converted to Debian from RH and though I managed to install Debian 3.0 rev0 
on my laptop and could connect to the internet via DSL, I simply am not able to 
upgrade to Gnome2. Installation on my Presario 715US was my smoothest ever...but the 
2.2 kernel, old gnome etc. make it painful for a recent convert 

I tried several variations of :
$apt-get --fix-broken -t experimental install gnome2
but it throws up a whole list of dependencies :

gnome2: Depends: bug-buddy (>= 2.2.0) but 2.0.8-1 is to be installed
  Depends: gnome-control-center2 but it is not going to be installed
  Depends: libeel2-2 but it is not installable
  Depends: eog2 but it is not going to be installed
  Depends: gnome-applets2 but it is not going to be installed
  
  Depends: gedit (>= 2.0.1) but it is not going to be installed
  Depends: file-roller2 but it is not installable
  Depends: gnome-games (>= 2.0.2-1) but it is not going to be installed
E: Sorry, broken packages



My sources.list looks like this :

deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main
deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ ../project/experimental main
deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ ../project/experimental main

# See sources.list(5) for more information, especialy
# Remember that you can only use http, ftp or file URIs
# CDROMs are managed through the apt-cdrom tool.
deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free
#deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib non-free
#deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free

# Uncomment if you want the apt-get source function to work
deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free
#deb-src http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable non-US


deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free contrib
deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free contrib
/etc/apt/sources.list: unmodified: line 1


Any pointers anyone? Please reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] as I am not subscribed to 
this list.

TIA,
Anand


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Re: help with debian admin project

[Faheem Mitha]

On Wed, 24 Oct 2001, xylene-news wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am trying to set up a free web, mail and dns server on debian, I wish to
> offer those services and a few others.
>
> I have 2 debian servers one on 600MB back bone and the other on 15 MB back
> bone.
>
> Both based in the UK in the Berkshire area.
>
> I want to create a web front end so that user can create their own
> accounts, edit passwords and get web mail, also change thioer domain
> name records and create web accounts (FTP user and passwords)
>
> This is a big project and has no real time scale
>
> I am looking for volenteers to help me create such a service in
> exchange for shell access to the box or whatever services you would
> need.
>
> Please contact me direct via e-mail at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> some ideas can be seen at www.xylene.com
>
> Many thanks in advance
>
>
> James Preece

This seems like a worthy project. However, if (as it seems) you are
posting to the newsgroup linux.debian.user, not many will see your
message. Rather post directly to the Debian user mailing list at
[EMAIL PROTECTED] See also lists.debian.org. Note that
linux.debian.user merely archives messages from the debian user mailing
list, and messages posted to linux.debian.user AFAIK are not posted to the
debian user mailing list.

By the way, I'd consider helping if you tell me in more detail what you
have in mind and what you have got done so far. I'm no expert, though.

 Sincerely, Faheem Mitha.

help with debian installation

[dinakar desai]

Hello debian users:

I have a winbook laptop. I have installed redhat, mandrake, slackware
successfully on this computer. I have been trying to get into debian as I
like the philosophy behind debian development. I can install the debian
2.1 but with pcmcia support and I can not upgrade as I use internet for
downloading file. I tried, potato unstable release. I had lots of problem.
PCMCIA card works and everything works for sometime and suddenly for no
apparent reason, the computer hangs up (I have to use switch to restart
it). Please let me know how I can get pcmcia card working with stable
distribution. I do not need to upgrade to newer kernels as long as I can
get pcmcia card working.

I look forward to hear from you soon.

Thank you very much for your help.

With regards

Dinakar
  

Re: Help, with Debian 2.0 install from CD-ROM not part of HDD card

[Michael B. Taylor]

It looks like your cdrom is one of the early ones that runs off a propitary
interface and reqires a special driver.  Later cdroms run off the ide
controller and use a common driver, regardless of brand.

Later drives are recognized automatically by Debian, yours will require just
a little more work.

As root, run modconf.  Go to the cdrom modules and choose a module to install.


Mike


On Mon, Nov 09, 1998 at 03:55:03AM -0500, Craig M. Kimmer wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> 
>   I am having problems with Debian 2.0 to install the the important, 
> extra,
> and/ or packages, which include the kernal source and patches.  I have got
> a operating system, but it does not recongize the CDROM drive, thus I can
> not add or upgrade any program packages to the system.  I have tried to
> move the CDROM drive to run off the HDD controll but the system will not
> even do look at the BIOS to startup.  I am including at the base of this
> message the system specs. of this machine.
> 
>   CPU:Cyrix 5x86 100MHz
>   Hard Drives:BigFoot 1.2 Gb
>   WD 4.0 Gb
>   Floppy Drives:  3.5"
>   Bus Type:   PCI
>   Extra Drives:   TEAC  CD-55 tray ROM 4x
>   Mouse and style:Bus on COM1
>   modem:  on COM2
>   Memory: 24 Megs
>   Root Directory: hdc7
>   O/S on system:  Windows 95
>   Kernal Version: 2.0.34
>   Sound Card: Drives CDROM - Sound Blaster Pro 16 compatible
> 
> 
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Help, with Debian 2.0 install from CD-ROM not part of HDD card

[Craig M. Kimmer]

Hello,


I am having problems with Debian 2.0 to install the the important, 
extra,
and/ or packages, which include the kernal source and patches.  I have got
a operating system, but it does not recongize the CDROM drive, thus I can
not add or upgrade any program packages to the system.  I have tried to
move the CDROM drive to run off the HDD controll but the system will not
even do look at the BIOS to startup.  I am including at the base of this
message the system specs. of this machine.

CPU:Cyrix 5x86 100MHz
Hard Drives:BigFoot 1.2 Gb
WD 4.0 Gb
Floppy Drives:  3.5"
Bus Type:   PCI
Extra Drives:   TEAC  CD-55 tray ROM 4x
Mouse and style:Bus on COM1
modem:  on COM2
Memory: 24 Megs
Root Directory: hdc7
O/S on system:  Windows 95
Kernal Version: 2.0.34
Sound Card: Drives CDROM - Sound Blaster Pro 16 compatible

Re: Help with debian

[Ed Cogburn]

Kent West wrote:
> 
> At 05:26 PM 8/22/1998 +1000, you wrote:
> >ThanX for all the help
> >but it installed it and when i ran "startx" it said
> >
> >X: exec of /usr/bin/X11/XF86_NONE failed
> >
> >PLease can u help me!!!
> >Thanx
> >
> 
> The purpose of XF86Setup and xf86config (different progs to accomplish the
> same purpose) is to create the XF86Config file. This file contains settings
> for your X windows.
> 
> In addition to this file, there's another file called /etc/X11/Xserver.
> This file specifies who can run X and which X server (video resolution,
> sort of) to use. The first line of this file specifies the X server. It
> sounds like that line is pointing to XF86_NONE. Use an editor (such as vi
> or emacs) to edit the file and change the first line to use XF86_VGA or
> XF86_VGA16 or XF86SVGA. If the first line does not reference XF86_NONE,
> then this is not the problem and you'll have to let us know.
> 


This isn't the preferred way of doing this.  Each xserver deb package
will automatically update the Xserver file. When you install an xserver
package it should say 'Make this server the default?' (something like
this).  Saying yes to this prompt will update the Xserver file
accordingly.  That it is set to 'NONE' means that you don't have any
server installed right now.


-- 
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Re: Help with debian

[Kent West]

At 05:26 PM 8/22/1998 +1000, you wrote:
>ThanX for all the help
>but it installed it and when i ran "startx" it said
>
>X: exec of /usr/bin/X11/XF86_NONE failed
>
>PLease can u help me!!!
>Thanx
>

The purpose of XF86Setup and xf86config (different progs to accomplish the
same purpose) is to create the XF86Config file. This file contains settings
for your X windows.

In addition to this file, there's another file called /etc/X11/Xserver.
This file specifies who can run X and which X server (video resolution,
sort of) to use. The first line of this file specifies the X server. It
sounds like that line is pointing to XF86_NONE. Use an editor (such as vi
or emacs) to edit the file and change the first line to use XF86_VGA or
XF86_VGA16 or XF86SVGA. If the first line does not reference XF86_NONE,
then this is not the problem and you'll have to let us know.

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Re: [ace@mullum.com.au: Help with debian]

[Kent West]

>Can anyone tell me how to change drives???

I'm not real sure what you mean by this.
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Re: [ace@mullum.com.au: Help with debian]

[Kent West]

>Can anyone tell me how to run any of the games???

I suspect that you're logged in as root. root doesn't "see" the files in
the current directory, so you need to specify the path. For example, if
you're in /usr/games and you want to run morse, you can't just type morse.
You need to type ./morse.

However, if you're logged in as a regular user (not root), this isn't the
problem. In such a case, simply change to the games directory (cd
/usr/games or wherever) and type the name of the game (morse). Some games
may need X installed or may need some other package/configuration, but this
should at least get you started.



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Re: Help with debian

[Kent West]

At 08:44 PM 8/20/1998 +1000, you wrote:
>Can u please to tell me how i can install X???
> where do i get it from???
> I have the 3 debian CD's
>THANX

I don't know how much hand-holding you need, but I felt like I could have
used more, so this reply may seem too juvenile.

Log in as root, and from the prompt start dselect. Go into Access and make
sure it's using the cdrom method. Then from the main dselect menu, choose
Update if you haven't done so with this set of CDs before. Then go into
Select. This is the most confusing part. Press the space bar to get to the
list of packages available. You will need the xbase package and at least
one server (and probably other stuff too; I'm too new at this to really
know exactly what you need). You can easily find the xbase package by
pressing / and then typing in xbase and then pressing enter. Mark this as
wanted by pressing +. As far as an xserver goes, if you come from the
Windows world, you can think of this as a video resolution setting. If your
equipment can handle SuperVGA, you might want the xserver-svga package. If
I were you I'd download that one, as well as xserver-vga, and maybe a few
others that you might find that might apply to your hardware. You can
search for xservers just like you searched for xbase; simply press / and
type in xserver and then press enter. Each server you want to get you can
mark with a +.

So far all you've done is mark for installing the basic X package (xbase)
and various possible video resolution settings. Now press ENTER to get back
to dselect's main menu.

Then choose Install. dselect will install the packages you've selected, and
it will try to configure them. After it installs each xserver, it will ask
if you want to use that xserver as the default. I would suggest answering
No to each except for the xserver-vga one. (Later you can change things to
a better resolution, but for now, I'd strongly suggest sticking with
simplicity.)

You may get some error messages. They can probably be more or less ignored
for now.

After the Install returns you to dselect's main menu, choose Configure. The
Install routine already tried to configure the packages, but because a lot
of times it matters what gets installed when, you might need to configure
again. If you get any errors during the Configure phase, run Configure
again when it's finished. You might need to run Configure 3 or 4 times
before everything is all sorted out. If you still get errors, you might
want to post them to this list.

Finally, from dselect's main menu, choose Quit. This will quit dselect. You
now have your Xwindows installed and basically configured.

However, you still need to configure the xserver. The easiest way to do
this is to run XF86Setup. It's a pretty nice installation routine, mostly
self-explanatory. After it's finished, you should have a running X system.
When the XF86Setup is finished, you can type startx at the prompt to start X.

If you don't get a working X, post to this list again.

Hoping you have success!

Kent

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Re: Help with debian

[Richard L. Alhama]

On Thu, 20 Aug 1998, Adrian Collings wrote:

> Can u please to tell me how i can install X???
>  where do i get it from???
>  I have the 3 debian CD's
> THANX

You can install X by determining what kind of video card you have and
installing the x*, etc. packages on the x11 directory of your CD's.

Whatever the version of your CD's are

Admiral Charah
Tech Support, Cyberspace Laoag, ISP

Help with debian

[Adrian Collings]

Can u please to tell me how i can install X???
 where do i get it from???
 I have the 3 debian CD's
THANX

Re: Help with debian

[Martin Schulze]

Please stop asking the listmasters but ask on the user mailing list.
That is 

Debian User 

I've set a Cc so they can answer your mail

Regards,

Joey

Adrian Collings wrote:
> Can u please to tell me how i can install X???
> where do i get it from???
> I have the 3 debian CD's
> THANX
> 
> 

-- 
We all know Linux is great... it does infinite loops in 5 seconds.
- Linus Torvalds

[ace@mullum.com.au: Help with debian]

[Martin Schulze]

Could you guys take care of him?

Regards,

Joey

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--- Begin Message ---
I'm new to debian and need to know more about it
to start with :
Can anyone tell me how to get intoXWindows???
Can anyone tell me how to change drives???
Can anyone tell me how to run any of the games???
Does anyone have a Debian or Linux Tutorial or help guide in book or
software for
ThanX
PLease E-Mail Reply to :
Mitchell
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Re: Help with Debian GNU/Linux (fwd)

[Marcus Brinkmann]

Hello Marcus, hello Chris!

On Sun, Jul 12, 1998 at 06:34:59AM -0700, Marcus Johnson wrote:
> 
> Hello Chris,
>   The Debian loader leaves a lot to the user to set up. If your a
> trained user then it is no problem. But for you it will be too hard to
> fix. I suggest you load Red Hat version 5.1 and start there.

Don't believe him, the fix is as easy as installing an additional package.
This is in Debian as easy as it is in Debian.
 
>   The kernel is written in C++ and it is an on-going effort. You can
> get the source code easy, but I suggest you learn to use C and then C++
> before you start working on the kernel.

The kernel is written in C (mostly) and Assembler (few parts). There is no
C++ used in the kernel. You don't need to know anything about C++ to write
kernel driver.

You should learn C++ directly, though. :) It'll give you C and Java for
free.

> On Fri, 10 Jul 1998, Chris Grant wrote:
> 
> > I just downloaded Debian GNU/Linux 1.3 and am using bash as the shell.  
> > I am completely new to the Linux/Unix world, so forgive me if any of 
> > these questions seem foolish.  Whenever I try to use the manual for a 
> > command by  typing "man", bash tells me it can't find the command "man".

This is because you are missing the man program. Did you run "dselect" after
installation of the base disks and did you installed the standard set of
packages?

What is "dpkg -s man-db" telling you? If it says something like this:
flora:~# dpkg -s man-db
Package: man-db
Status: install ok installed
Priority: important
Section: doc
Installed-Size: 596
Maintainer: Fabrizio Polacco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Version: 2.3.10-65
Replaces: man, man-aeb, nlsutils
Provides: man, man-browser
Depends: groff, libc6, libdb2 (>= 2.3.16)
Suggests: bsdmainutils
Conflicts: man, man-aeb
Conffiles:
 /etc/manpath.config a3b3b55002f2ac95622d9e940071774b
 /etc/cron.daily/man-db 8e94383e41eb23ac75ca721ab0672487
 /etc/cron.weekly/man-db 08c0fab5c204668afadbd6458b4c0f2a
Description: Display the on-line manual.
 This packages provides the man command, this utility is the primary
 way of examining the on-line help files (manual pages). Other utilities
 provided include the whatis and apropos commands for searching the
 manual page database; the manpath utility for determining the manual
 page search path and the maintenance utilities mandb, catman and
 zsoelim. This package uses the groff suit of programs to format and
 display the manual pages.

... all is okay (the version may differ, etc, but you get the idea).
If it tells you something like this:

flora:~# dpkg -s man-db
Package: man-db
Status: purge ok not-installed
Priority: standard
Section: text

... then you are missing it. Get the man-db *.deb package from the ftp site
and run "dpkg -i man-db...deb" (with the actual file name instead
man-db...deb) to fix it. OR run "dselect", configure it and select the
man-db package and run the install option. (If you choose to pick from ftp,
you may also need the groff package).

> > Could someone please tell me what directory "man" is in so I can put it 
> > in my path?

It is in /usr/bin and should already be in your path.

> > Could this be a problem with Debian, and if it is what 
> > distribution of Linux is a good one to get?

Debian is a fine distribution you will soon learn why :)

> > And 
> > are there any books that I really should get in addition to "Running 
> > Linux"?

You should get the (unofficial) debian book at www.linux-press.com. Contact
[EMAIL PROTECTED] if you can't find it.

> > Last question, I'm interested in learning to program Linux 
> > drivers, and maybe even debuging the kernal.  What language are these 
> > thing coded in, or what language would I have to learn if I want to do 
> > these things?  Thanks a lot.

See above. C. It isn't too hard, but a tough experience. Writing, compiling,
starting, reboot cycle and such. And it is certainly nearly impossible to do
it *right* (only few people are able... Alan Cox, Linus himself, etc. Other
people could do it right, but are not programming linx kernel, tough).

Marcus

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Re: Help with Debian GNU/Linux (fwd)

[Ivan]

Hi Marcus !

I went through the same problem a little while ago.

The man programme and pages are easily downloaded using dselect.

I can't remember exactly what you need but my question and the very helpful
replies are in the Debian mail archives June or July.

BTW I had a lot of trouble with the Bo release and have just installed Hamm
as a new install.  With some help from the people on this mail list
everything went really well.

Sorry I'm not experienced enough to help you with your other questions.
Hang in there - you'll be amazed at the sense of satisfaction that comes
from installing it yourself and overcoming the small problems that arise.

All the best.

Ivan.

At 01:11 PM 10-07-98 -0700, you wrote:
>-- Forwarded message --
>Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:53:38 PDT
>From: Chris Grant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: linux-newbie@vger.rutgers.edu
>Subject: Help with Debian GNU/Linux
>
>I just downloaded Debian GNU/Linux 1.3 and am using bash as the shell.  
>I am completely new to the Linux/Unix world, so forgive me if any of 
>these questions seem foolish.  Whenever I try to use the manual for a 
>command by  typing "man", bash tells me it can't find the command "man".  
>Could someone please tell me what directory "man" is in so I can put it 
>in my path?  Could this be a problem with Debian, and if it is what 
>distribution of Linux is a good one to get?  Also, I'm thinking of 
>buying "Running Linux" by Matt Welsh and Lar Kaufman.  Is this a good 
>book to get if I know almost nothing now and want to become a fairly 
>advanced user? If not, what books would be good for those goals?  And 
>are there any books that I really should get in addition to "Running 
>Linux"?  Last question, I'm interested in learning to program Linux 
>drivers, and maybe even debuging the kernal.  What language are these 
>thing coded in, or what language would I have to learn if I want to do 
>these things?  Thanks a lot.
>
>Chris
>
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Re: Help with Debian GNU/Linux (fwd)

[Marcus Johnson]

-- Forwarded message --
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 06:00:01 -0600 (MDT)
From: "Karl F. Larsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Chris Grant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: linux-newbie@vger.rutgers.edu
Subject: Re: Help with Debian GNU/Linux


Hello Chris,
The Debian loader leaves a lot to the user to set up. If your a
trained user then it is no problem. But for you it will be too hard to
fix. I suggest you load Red Hat version 5.1 and start there.

The book you are buying is fine. There is a lot of on-line help
with Red Hat. 

The kernel is written in C++ and it is an on-going effort. You can
get the source code easy, but I suggest you learn to use C and then C++
before you start working on the kernel.


On Fri, 10 Jul 1998, Chris Grant wrote:

> I just downloaded Debian GNU/Linux 1.3 and am using bash as the shell.  
> I am completely new to the Linux/Unix world, so forgive me if any of 
> these questions seem foolish.  Whenever I try to use the manual for a 
> command by  typing "man", bash tells me it can't find the command "man".  
> Could someone please tell me what directory "man" is in so I can put it 
> in my path?  Could this be a problem with Debian, and if it is what 
> distribution of Linux is a good one to get?  Also, I'm thinking of 
> buying "Running Linux" by Matt Welsh and Lar Kaufman.  Is this a good 
> book to get if I know almost nothing now and want to become a fairly 
> advanced user? If not, what books would be good for those goals?  And 
> are there any books that I really should get in addition to "Running 
> Linux"?  Last question, I'm interested in learning to program Linux 
> drivers, and maybe even debuging the kernal.  What language are these 
> thing coded in, or what language would I have to learn if I want to do 
> these things?  Thanks a lot.
> 
> Chris
> 
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