Re: How 'stable' is squeeze?

2010-06-25 Thread Alan Chandler

On 24/06/10 10:03, Sven Joachim wrote:

On 2010-06-24 08:29 +0200, Alan Chandler wrote:


Yesterday, a fix for a problem where you could not make ext2, ext3 or
ext4 filesystems made it into testing.  This has been around for a few
weeks, and although there is a workaround using the updated version
from SID, all the installation CDs from the weekly builds have not yet
caught up.


This can be worked around by using a daily snapshot of the installer:
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/

Worked fine for me in qemu three days ago.


Unfortunately for me, these images did not recognise all my hardware, 
whereas the weekly build full CD image did.  They are using the sid 
installer which is why they have a more up to date version.




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Re: How 'stable' is squeeze?

2010-06-25 Thread Amar Cosic
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 8:03 AM, Alan Chandler
a...@chandlerfamily.org.ukwrote:

 On 24/06/10 10:03, Sven Joachim wrote:

 On 2010-06-24 08:29 +0200, Alan Chandler wrote:

  Yesterday, a fix for a problem where you could not make ext2, ext3 or
 ext4 filesystems made it into testing.  This has been around for a few
 weeks, and although there is a workaround using the updated version
 from SID, all the installation CDs from the weekly builds have not yet
 caught up.


 This can be worked around by using a daily snapshot of the installer:
 http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/

 Worked fine for me in qemu three days ago.


 Unfortunately for me, these images did not recognise all my hardware,
 whereas the weekly build full CD image did.  They are using the sid
 installer which is why they have a more up to date version.




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Well it ended up broken last night.. Everything boots OK but gdm wont start
properly and doing aptitude safe-upgrade/full-upgrade acctualy shows some
errors about udev. Funny thing is I did aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686
before everything, but this acctualy pull'd a lot of things.. including
udev. Weird that new udev depends on new kernel,but in same time it depends
on it ?
So without having any time for fixing, and without any graphical inv. would
downloading and installing daily netinst cd of squeeze work OK ?

http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/


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Re: How 'stable' is squeeze?

2010-06-25 Thread Wolodja Wentland
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 08:41 +0200, Amar Cosic wrote:

 On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 8:03 AM, Alan Chandler a...@chandlerfamily.org.uk
 wrote:

 Well it ended up broken last night.. Everything boots OK but gdm wont start
 properly and doing aptitude safe-upgrade/full-upgrade acctualy shows some
 errors about udev. Funny thing is I did aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686
 before everything, but this acctualy pull'd a lot of things.. including udev.
 Weird that new udev depends on new kernel,but in same time it depends on it ?
 So without having any time for fixing, and without any graphical inv. would
 downloading and installing daily netinst cd of squeeze work OK ?

The easiest way to deal with this is to install the package in question
manually with dpkg -i, reboot and continue the upgrade.

good luck

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Re: How 'stable' is squeeze?

2010-06-25 Thread Alan Chandler

On 25/06/10 07:41, Amar Cosic wrote:


Well it ended up broken last night.. Everything boots OK but gdm wont
start properly and doing aptitude safe-upgrade/full-upgrade acctualy
shows some errors about udev. Funny thing is I did aptitude
install linux-image-2.6-686 before everything, but this acctualy pull'd
a lot of things.. including udev. Weird that new udev depends on new
kernel,but in same time it depends on it ?
So without having any time for fixing, and without any graphical inv.
would downloading and installing daily netinst cd of squeeze work OK ?


I think this udev problem sounds more like the issue discussed in 
another branch of this thread.  Looks like this problem


http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=571255

If you read this report you will see there are some issues about what to 
depend on what.




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Re: How 'stable' is squeeze?

2010-06-25 Thread Mark Allums

On 6/24/2010 5:49 PM, Jesús M. Navarro wrote:

Hi, Mark:

I would retain the Lenny security update line in sources.list (for luck)
until Squeeze is released as Stable, and start with safe-upgrade.


That's of little to no value since security will do nothing for packages you
already have a higher version installed due to you going for Squeeze (it
shouldn't hurt, either, so go as you please).




The point is, there are a few things that aren't higher versions.  A 
thing or two.


(That will surely change in the run up to release.)


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Re: How 'stable' is squeeze?

2010-06-25 Thread Tomasz Maluszycki
I had similar problem when upgrading from lenny to testing.
First pull newer kernel image, 2.6.30,  if I recall correctly
(but don't pull 2.6.32-x yet, cause depends on new udev).
Reboot. Then pull new udev, and reboot again. Now you can
pull newest kernel.

Hopefully if want to upgrade from testing to sid, then you won't
have o much trouble, at least I didn't had.

For me sid is stable enough, and I'm not having mercy to my
laptop, running BOINC projects 24/7, with CPU temp around 90°,
but it is just me...  :)
in fact it is behaving more stable than lenny ever had, even testing
wasn't too stable in my case.

2010/6/25 Mark Allums m...@allums.com:
 On 6/24/2010 5:49 PM, Jesús M. Navarro wrote:

 Hi, Mark:

 I would retain the Lenny security update line in sources.list (for luck)
 until Squeeze is released as Stable, and start with safe-upgrade.

 That's of little to no value since security will do nothing for packages
 you
 already have a higher version installed due to you going for Squeeze (it
 shouldn't hurt, either, so go as you please).



 The point is, there are a few things that aren't higher versions.  A thing
 or two.

 (That will surely change in the run up to release.)


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Re: How 'stable' is squeeze?

2010-06-24 Thread Alan Chandler

On 23/06/10 23:26, Amar Cosic wrote:

Hello list

I was thinking about upgrade to squeeze and just want to check if
everything is OK there? No 'critical' bugs etc.. ? I know a lot of you
use squeeze so its probably best place to ask


Yesterday, a fix for a problem where you could not make ext2, ext3 or 
ext4 filesystems made it into testing.  This has been around for a few 
weeks, and although there is a workaround using the updated version from 
SID, all the installation CDs from the weekly builds have not yet caught up.


Other than that, I have been using it as a server and desktop (which I 
downgraded from SID) for some time.


If you are just upgrading directly you should be ok.




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changing user password on KDE 4.4 (was: How 'stable' is squeeze?)

2010-06-24 Thread Florian Kulzer
On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 23:34:38 -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote:

[...]

 However, I still do not see a way to
 change passwords as an ordinary user.  How does an ordinary user who
 does not use the command line (and thus passwd) and does not have the
 root password change their password in KDE 4.4? Thanks - John

I have a Change Password... button in System Settings - General -
Personal - About Me - Password  User Account. I just tried it and it
seems to work perfectly. I use KDE 4.4.4 on Sid; I never had a reason to
look for this functionality before, therefore I do not know if it was
present already in earlier KDE 4.x versions.

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Re: How 'stable' is squeeze?

2010-06-24 Thread Huang, Tao
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 11:34 AM, John A. Sullivan III
jsulli...@opensourcedevel.com wrote:
 Well . . . I suppose this is not hijacking as it is about stability and
 usability.  I eagerly ran my apt-get update and apt-get upgrade,
 rebooted and, voila, X refused to start.  I finally installed the
 proprietary nvidia driver AND removed nouveau and I got my X back.

 I was delighted to see that I could now define printers in KDE without
 using the CUPS web interface.  However, I still do not see a way to
 change passwords as an ordinary user.  How does an ordinary user who
 does not use the command line (and thus passwd) and does not have the
 root password change their password in KDE 4.4? Thanks - John

System Settings - Personal - About Me - Change Password


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Re: How 'stable' is squeeze?

2010-06-24 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2010-06-24 08:29 +0200, Alan Chandler wrote:

 Yesterday, a fix for a problem where you could not make ext2, ext3 or
 ext4 filesystems made it into testing.  This has been around for a few
 weeks, and although there is a workaround using the updated version
 from SID, all the installation CDs from the weekly builds have not yet
 caught up.

This can be worked around by using a daily snapshot of the installer:
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/

Worked fine for me in qemu three days ago.

Sven


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Re: How 'stable' is squeeze?

2010-06-24 Thread Brent Clark

On 24/06/2010 00:26, Amar Cosic wrote:

Hello list

I was thinking about upgrade to squeeze and just want to check if
everything is OK there? No 'critical' bugs etc.. ? I know a lot of you
use squeeze so its probably best place to ask



Hiya

I think its very stable, and sure enjoying it.

Give it a whirl, I dont think you will be disappointed.

Regards
Brent Clark

P.s. Good to see more people using and enquiring about Squeeze.


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Re: changing user password on KDE 4.4 (was: How 'stable' is squeeze?)

2010-06-24 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Thu, 2010-06-24 at 09:03 +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote:
 On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 23:34:38 -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote:
 
 [...]
 
  However, I still do not see a way to
  change passwords as an ordinary user.  How does an ordinary user who
  does not use the command line (and thus passwd) and does not have the
  root password change their password in KDE 4.4? Thanks - John
 
 I have a Change Password... button in System Settings - General -
 Personal - About Me - Password  User Account. I just tried it and it
 seems to work perfectly. I use KDE 4.4.4 on Sid; I never had a reason to
 look for this functionality before, therefore I do not know if it was
 present already in earlier KDE 4.x versions.
snip
Oops! I see it.  I guess I was still looking for Settings / Security and
Privacy.  Mea culpa.  Thanks - John



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Re: How 'stable' is squeeze?

2010-06-24 Thread Amar Cosic
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Brent Clark brentgclarkl...@gmail.comwrote:

 On 24/06/2010 00:26, Amar Cosic wrote:

 Hello list

 I was thinking about upgrade to squeeze and just want to check if
 everything is OK there? No 'critical' bugs etc.. ? I know a lot of you
 use squeeze so its probably best place to ask



 Hiya

 I think its very stable, and sure enjoying it.

 Give it a whirl, I dont think you will be disappointed.

 Regards
 Brent Clark

 P.s. Good to see more people using and enquiring about Squeeze.



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Thank you all for info. Will upgrade tonight.. Just to be sure.. right way
to do this is just to replace 'lenny' with 'squeeze' in sources.list 
apt-get update  apt-get dist-upgrade ?  Or there is something else I have
to pay attention on ?


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Re: How 'stable' is squeeze?

2010-06-24 Thread Brent Clark

On 24/06/2010 15:44, Amar Cosic wrote:

Thank you all for info. Will upgrade tonight.. Just to be sure.. right
way to do this is just to replace 'lenny' with 'squeeze' in sources.list
 apt-get update  apt-get dist-upgrade ?  Or there is something else
I have to pay attention on ?


Thats what I did. But you may wish to rather use 'aptitude safe-upgrade'.

Best of luck.

Regards
Brent Clark


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Re: How 'stable' is squeeze?

2010-06-24 Thread Mark Allums




Thank you all for info. Will upgrade tonight.. Just to be sure.. right
way to do this is just to replace 'lenny' with 'squeeze' in sources.list
 apt-get update  apt-get dist-upgrade ?  Or there is something else
I have to pay attention on ?


I would retain the Lenny security update line in sources.list (for luck) 
until Squeeze is released as Stable, and start with safe-upgrade.


Good luck!



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Re: How 'stable' is squeeze?

2010-06-24 Thread Sjoerd Hardeman

Brent Clark schreef:

On 24/06/2010 15:44, Amar Cosic wrote:

Thank you all for info. Will upgrade tonight.. Just to be sure.. right
way to do this is just to replace 'lenny' with 'squeeze' in sources.list
 apt-get update  apt-get dist-upgrade ?  Or there is something else
I have to pay attention on ?


Thats what I did. But you may wish to rather use 'aptitude safe-upgrade'.
'aptitude safe-upgrade' will probably not upgrade many packages, as 
you're doing a 'full-upgrade' (previously 'dist-upgrade'). Yet, first 
doing a 'safe-upgrade' and see if all still is working is probably a 
cautious and thus good way to proceed.


Sjoerd



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Re: How 'stable' is squeeze?

2010-06-24 Thread Jordan Metzmeier
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On 06/24/2010 09:44 AM, Amar Cosic wrote:
 
 Thank you all for info. Will upgrade tonight.. Just to be sure.. right way
 to do this is just to replace 'lenny' with 'squeeze' in sources.list 
 apt-get update  apt-get dist-upgrade ?  Or there is something else I have
 to pay attention on ?
 
 
 Regards
 

That alone will certainly fail due to changes in udev. You must upgrade
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Re: How 'stable' is squeeze?

2010-06-24 Thread Amar Cosic
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 4:46 PM, Jordan Metzmeier titan8...@gmail.comwrote:

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 On 06/24/2010 09:44 AM, Amar Cosic wrote:
 
  Thank you all for info. Will upgrade tonight.. Just to be sure.. right
 way
  to do this is just to replace 'lenny' with 'squeeze' in sources.list 
  apt-get update  apt-get dist-upgrade ?  Or there is something else I
 have
  to pay attention on ?
 
 
  Regards
 

 That alone will certainly fail due to changes in udev. You must upgrade
 your kernel _first_, reboot, then proceed with the upgrade.

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And proper way to do this is apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686 ?


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Re: How 'stable' is squeeze?

2010-06-24 Thread Jordan Metzmeier
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On 06/24/2010 02:17 PM, Amar Cosic wrote:
 And proper way to do this is apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686 ?

 tnx.


Yes, and then reboot. However, I recommend using aptitude for all
functionality that aptitude allows for.

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Re: How 'stable' is squeeze?

2010-06-24 Thread Mark Allums

On 6/24/2010 2:21 PM, Jordan Metzmeier wrote:

On 06/24/2010 02:17 PM, Amar Cosic wrote:

And proper way to do this is apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686 ?


Yes, and then reboot. However, I recommend using aptitude for all
functionality that aptitude allows for.



Does it matter what order udev is installed/upgraded: before, during, or 
after the kernel is upgraded?



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Re: How 'stable' is squeeze?

2010-06-24 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2010-06-24 22:06 +0200, Mark Allums wrote:

 On 6/24/2010 2:21 PM, Jordan Metzmeier wrote:
 On 06/24/2010 02:17 PM, Amar Cosic wrote:
 And proper way to do this is apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686 ?

 Yes, and then reboot. However, I recommend using aptitude for all
 functionality that aptitude allows for.


 Does it matter what order udev is installed/upgraded: before, during,
 or after the kernel is upgraded?

Yes, that matters.  And like Jordan said, you should boot with the new
kernel before upgrading udev, because Squeeze's udev is not compatible
with Lenny's kernel.  See bug #571255¹ for the gory details.

Sven


¹ http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=571255


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Re: How 'stable' is squeeze?

2010-06-24 Thread Jesús M. Navarro
Hi, Mark:

On Thursday 24 June 2010 16:06:17 Mark Allums wrote:
  Thank you all for info. Will upgrade tonight.. Just to be sure.. right
  way to do this is just to replace 'lenny' with 'squeeze' in sources.list
   apt-get update  apt-get dist-upgrade ?  Or there is something else
  I have to pay attention on ?

 I would retain the Lenny security update line in sources.list (for luck)
 until Squeeze is released as Stable, and start with safe-upgrade.

That's of little to no value since security will do nothing for packages you 
already have a higher version installed due to you going for Squeeze (it 
shouldn't hurt, either, so go as you please).


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How 'stable' is squeeze?

2010-06-23 Thread Amar Cosic
Hello list

I was thinking about upgrade to squeeze and just want to check if everything
is OK there? No 'critical' bugs etc.. ? I know a lot of you use squeeze so
its probably best place to ask


Regards

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Re: How 'stable' is squeeze?

2010-06-23 Thread Erwan David
Le Thu 24/06/2010, Amar Cosic disait
 Hello list
 
 I was thinking about upgrade to squeeze and just want to check if everything
 is OK there? No 'critical' bugs etc.. ? I know a lot of you use squeeze so
 its probably best place to ask
 

genarally nothing critical, but sometime a glitch may appear, like thos tlast 
days where a dependency bug broke mkfs.ext2 and mkfs.ext3

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Re: How 'stable' is squeeze?

2010-06-23 Thread Jesús M. Navarro
Hi, Amar:

On Thursday 24 June 2010 00:26:28 Amar Cosic wrote:
 Hello list

 I was thinking about upgrade to squeeze and just want to check if
 everything is OK there? No 'critical' bugs etc.. ? I know a lot of you use
 squeeze so its probably best place to ask

The very people that works day in-day out with it doesn't deem it as 
being Stable but Testing, so go figure.

As of today, there's 594 Release-critical bugs*1 concerning the next release 
(Squezze to be named Stable).

If you want to know more about Debian, its current status and its release 
cycle, have a look at http://www.debian.org/doc/

*1 Source: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical


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Re: How 'stable' is squeeze?

2010-06-23 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Thu, 2010-06-24 at 00:26 +0200, Amar Cosic wrote:
 Hello list
 
 
 I was thinking about upgrade to squeeze and just want to check if
 everything is OK there? No 'critical' bugs etc.. ? I know a lot of you
 use squeeze so its probably best place to ask
On my newer hardware, Squeeze is preferable to Lenny.  However, my
personal biggest issue with Squeeze as a KDE user is the forced
migration to KDE4 (not really a Debian issue but a KDE one as there is
no longer upstream support for KDE3).  I have great hopes for KDE 4.4
and like the new paradigm but the shipping KDE 4.3 still lacks basic
functionality.

Tim Pearson has launched the Trinity project
(http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net - the site might be down due to
recent very severe weather) to continue development of KDE 3.5 for
Ubuntu and is willing to put together a Debian repository.  That would
be my last major reservation for Squeeze until KDE 4.4 or 4.5 ships -
John



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Re: How 'stable' is squeeze?

2010-06-23 Thread Hanspeter Spalinger
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Am 24.06.10 00:26, schrieb Amar Cosic:
 Hello list
 
 I was thinking about upgrade to squeeze and just want to check if everything
 is OK there? No 'critical' bugs etc.. ? I know a lot of you use squeeze so
 its probably best place to ask
 
 
 Regards
 
I use squeeze for my desktop workstation (web-things, IM, torrents,
multimedia-things, games) and my local server (web, files, tor, dns).
I had one arch-specific bug (which was fixed by check the bugtracker and
edit a config file) but beside that no problems (less those I made by
playing around).
This is for ppc64-arch, I expected more trouble (kudos to debian-team).

For non-critical systems I personaly consider squeeze 'ready for use'
(but I wont let my mailserver use it until its stable ;-p)
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Re: How 'stable' is squeeze?

2010-06-23 Thread Thierry Chatelet
On Thursday 24 June 2010 02:21:39 John A. Sullivan III wrote:
 On Thu, 2010-06-24 at 00:26 +0200, Amar Cosic wrote:
  Hello list
  
  
  I was thinking about upgrade to squeeze and just want to check if
  everything is OK there? No 'critical' bugs etc.. ? I know a lot of you
  use squeeze so its probably best place to ask
 
 On my newer hardware, Squeeze is preferable to Lenny.  However, my
 personal biggest issue with Squeeze as a KDE user is the forced
 migration to KDE4 (not really a Debian issue but a KDE one as there is
 no longer upstream support for KDE3).  I have great hopes for KDE 4.4
 and like the new paradigm but the shipping KDE 4.3 still lacks basic
 functionality.
 
 Tim Pearson has launched the Trinity project
 (http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net - the site might be down due to
 recent very severe weather) to continue development of KDE 3.5 for
 Ubuntu and is willing to put together a Debian repository.  That would
 be my last major reservation for Squeeze until KDE 4.4 or 4.5 ships -
 John

Squeeze is shipped with  kde 4.4.4 now
Thierry


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Re: How 'stable' is squeeze?

2010-06-23 Thread Chris
To me squeeze is very stable. I have since moved to sid and surprisingly, it 
seems just as stable (to me that is)
Sent from my BlackBerry®

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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 02:27:46 
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: How 'stable' is squeeze?

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Am 24.06.10 00:26, schrieb Amar Cosic:
 Hello list
 
 I was thinking about upgrade to squeeze and just want to check if everything
 is OK there? No 'critical' bugs etc.. ? I know a lot of you use squeeze so
 its probably best place to ask
 
 
 Regards
 
I use squeeze for my desktop workstation (web-things, IM, torrents,
multimedia-things, games) and my local server (web, files, tor, dns).
I had one arch-specific bug (which was fixed by check the bugtracker and
edit a config file) but beside that no problems (less those I made by
playing around).
This is for ppc64-arch, I expected more trouble (kudos to debian-team).

For non-critical systems I personaly consider squeeze 'ready for use'
(but I wont let my mailserver use it until its stable ;-p)
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Re: How 'stable' is squeeze?

2010-06-23 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Thu, 2010-06-24 at 02:39 +0200, Thierry Chatelet wrote:
 On Thursday 24 June 2010 02:21:39 John A. Sullivan III wrote:
  On Thu, 2010-06-24 at 00:26 +0200, Amar Cosic wrote:
   Hello list
   
   
   I was thinking about upgrade to squeeze and just want to check if
   everything is OK there? No 'critical' bugs etc.. ? I know a lot of you
   use squeeze so its probably best place to ask
  
  On my newer hardware, Squeeze is preferable to Lenny.  However, my
  personal biggest issue with Squeeze as a KDE user is the forced
  migration to KDE4 (not really a Debian issue but a KDE one as there is
  no longer upstream support for KDE3).  I have great hopes for KDE 4.4
  and like the new paradigm but the shipping KDE 4.3 still lacks basic
  functionality.
  
  Tim Pearson has launched the Trinity project
  (http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net - the site might be down due to
  recent very severe weather) to continue development of KDE 3.5 for
  Ubuntu and is willing to put together a Debian repository.  That would
  be my last major reservation for Squeeze until KDE 4.4 or 4.5 ships -
  John
 
 Squeeze is shipped with  kde 4.4.4 now
 Thierry
 
 
Fabulous! I'll have to give that a spin - John


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Re: How 'stable' is squeeze?

2010-06-23 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Wed, 2010-06-23 at 20:58 -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote:
 On Thu, 2010-06-24 at 02:39 +0200, Thierry Chatelet wrote:
  On Thursday 24 June 2010 02:21:39 John A. Sullivan III wrote:
   On Thu, 2010-06-24 at 00:26 +0200, Amar Cosic wrote:
Hello list


I was thinking about upgrade to squeeze and just want to check if
everything is OK there? No 'critical' bugs etc.. ? I know a lot of you
use squeeze so its probably best place to ask
   
   On my newer hardware, Squeeze is preferable to Lenny.  However, my
   personal biggest issue with Squeeze as a KDE user is the forced
   migration to KDE4 (not really a Debian issue but a KDE one as there is
   no longer upstream support for KDE3).  I have great hopes for KDE 4.4
   and like the new paradigm but the shipping KDE 4.3 still lacks basic
   functionality.
   
   Tim Pearson has launched the Trinity project
   (http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net - the site might be down due to
   recent very severe weather) to continue development of KDE 3.5 for
   Ubuntu and is willing to put together a Debian repository.  That would
   be my last major reservation for Squeeze until KDE 4.4 or 4.5 ships -
   John
  
  Squeeze is shipped with  kde 4.4.4 now
  Thierry
  
  
 Fabulous! I'll have to give that a spin - John
 
 
Well . . . I suppose this is not hijacking as it is about stability and
usability.  I eagerly ran my apt-get update and apt-get upgrade,
rebooted and, voila, X refused to start.  I finally installed the
proprietary nvidia driver AND removed nouveau and I got my X back.

I was delighted to see that I could now define printers in KDE without
using the CUPS web interface.  However, I still do not see a way to
change passwords as an ordinary user.  How does an ordinary user who
does not use the command line (and thus passwd) and does not have the
root password change their password in KDE 4.4? Thanks - John


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