Re: How unstable is hamm?
In a message dated 05 Dec 1997 about Re: How unstable is hamm? , bleach wrote: B I have one PC running hamm. Part of my motivation for switching to hamm B is that I also have two Amiga 3Ks running debian linux and for those Any chance to find a (mini-)HOWTO, or something equivalent, to install debian linux on my Amiga 3k ??? Ciao ! /mario/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] LAST GAS FOR 60 MILES (54 miles ahead) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
How unstable is hamm?
I've been watching all of the messages concerning libc6 upgrades and now I've just got to ask. How unstable is hamm? My major interest is due to development. I'd really like to start playing around with version 6, but I'd hate to destroy my system to do it... :) I have an admin level knowledge of unix so feel free to be honest with me. Thanks in advance for any input. Brad Fitzgibbons UNT CAS Computing Services [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: How unstable is hamm?
On Fri, 5 Dec 1997, John Bradley Fitzgibbons wrote: I've been watching all of the messages concerning libc6 upgrades and now I've just got to ask. How unstable is hamm? My major interest is due to I've been running a mostly-hamm system since July, and haven't had any problems other than: At one point about a month ago I synced up my machine with the unstable tree, because I was getting utmp errors. Libc6 has redefined a mess of those basic data types, so things like w and who weren't working. Haven't had any trouble since then. Otherwise, just make sure you follow the libc5-to-libc6 howto so you don't really screw up dpkg. Will -- | [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | http://www.cis.udel.edu/~lowe/ | -- |The problem with computers: | || | rivendell[501] [~] love me | | bash: love: command not found | | rivendell[502] [~] hug me| | bash: hug: command not found | -- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: How unstable is hamm?
On Fri, 5 Dec 1997, John Bradley Fitzgibbons wrote: I've been watching all of the messages concerning libc6 upgrades and now I've just got to ask. How unstable is hamm? My major interest is due to development. I'd really like to start playing around with version 6, but I'd hate to destroy my system to do it... :) I have an admin level knowledge of unix so feel free to be honest with me. Thanks in advance for any input. Speaking as the author of the libc5 to libc6 Mini-HOWTO, I've experienced very few problems running my machine up-to-date with the latest packages from hamm. Once you're over the initial upgrade hurdle, everything pretty much works fine. -- Scott K. Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gate.net/~storm/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: How unstable is hamm?
On Fri, 5 Dec 1997, Scott Ellis wrote: : On Fri, 5 Dec 1997, John Bradley Fitzgibbons wrote: : : I've been watching all of the messages concerning libc6 upgrades and now : I've just got to ask. How unstable is hamm? My major interest is due to : development. I'd really like to start playing around with version 6, but : I'd hate to destroy my system to do it... :) I have an admin level : knowledge of unix so feel free to be honest with me. Thanks in advance : for any input. : : Speaking as the author of the libc5 to libc6 Mini-HOWTO, I've experienced : very few problems running my machine up-to-date with the latest packages : from hamm. Once you're over the initial upgrade hurdle, everything pretty : much works fine. : : -- : Scott K. Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gate.net/~storm/ : Kudos, Mr. Ellis. I followed your HOWTO yesterday on a semi-production server and it was relatively painless. 'e2fsck' disappeared which made for an interesting reboot, but I accept the blame for that. Everything else went fine. No horror stories. And now there are a few zillion packages to choose from. -- Nathan Norman MidcoNet - 410 South Phillips Avenue - Sioux Falls, SD 57104 phone: (605) 334-4454 fax: (605) 335-1173 mailto://[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.midco.net PGP Key ID: 0xA33B86E9 - Public key available at keyservers PGP Key fingerprint: CE03 10AF 3281 1858 9D32 C2AB 936D C472 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: How unstable is hamm?
On Fri, 5 Dec 1997, John Bradley Fitzgibbons wrote: I've been watching all of the messages concerning libc6 upgrades and now I've just got to ask. How unstable is hamm? My major interest is due to development. I'd really like to start playing around with version 6, but I'd hate to destroy my system to do it... :) I have an admin level knowledge of unix so feel free to be honest with me. Thanks in advance for any input. Can't be too bad if Redhat is basing 5.0 on it... And its considered released. (Although, I think 2.0.5c is still considered beta, wasn't 2.1 supposed to be the commercial grade release?) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: How unstable is hamm?
Hi John; I have one PC running hamm. Part of my motivation for switching to hamm is that I also have two Amiga 3Ks running debian linux and for those essentially hamm is not an option. It is I think, useful to try to keep the debian machines all running the same version. The PC does however, have a 1.3.1r6 system also installed. As to a general opinion concerning stability, the hamm base system has not given me any trouble. The problems that I have seen are most often related to installing or further upgrading packages. I suppose that like about anyone that is cocky enough to believe that they know their way around Unix (and therefore Linux), I several times used force with dpkg or dselect--and usually regretted it. What I am finding with hamm however is that dependencies are often not correct and that it seems that you must aften force dselect. This is definately an uncomfortable thing for me now but unless there is something else that I am missing it is required. I have also had dselect render my system incapabile of a full boot a couple of times following an install session. The last being a couple of days ago and was an fsck check failure. Dselect had removed libcom_err which it seem caused e2fsck to fail to load. Dselect displayed a conflict and I forced an override--it worked. I am probably remiss in that I have not bothered to record in detail exactly what happened. In spite of what I have said though, the PC hamm system stays up, tolerates numerous mistakes on my part (sometimes even as root) and as a system has not yet crashed. My own confidence in hamm is getting pretty high as my experience with it continues to show me that unless either I or dselect does something wrong, the system will stay up and if something is done wrong, it has been relatively easy to correct. YMMV of course. best, -bill On Fri, 5 Dec 1997, John Bradley Fitzgibbons wrote: I've been watching all of the messages concerning libc6 upgrades and now I've just got to ask. How unstable is hamm? My major interest is due to development. I'd really like to start playing around with version 6, but I'd hate to destroy my system to do it... :) I have an admin level knowledge of unix so feel free to be honest with me. Thanks in advance for any input. Brad Fitzgibbons UNT CAS Computing Services [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: How unstable is hamm?
On Fri, 5 Dec 1997, bleach wrote: I have also had dselect render my system incapabile of a full boot a couple of times following an install session. The last being a couple of days ago and was an fsck check failure. Dselect had removed libcom_err which it seem caused e2fsck to fail to load. Dselect displayed a conflict and I forced an override--it worked. I am probably remiss in that I have not bothered to record in detail exactly what happened. It was more like, e2fslibsg removed e2fsprogs but didn't install e2fsprogsg to replace it. I did some pouting about that on another mailing list. I think the bottom line is, if you use Hamm you're getting the latest features and the latest bugs, so you have to be a bit of a gambler; it's usually fine, but there's no guarantee that nobody uploaded a bad package today. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: How unstable is hamm?
Hi, bleach == bleach [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: bleach As to a general opinion concerning stability, the hamm base bleach system has not given me any trouble. The problems that I have bleach seen are most often related to installing or further upgrading bleach packages. bleach I suppose that like about anyone that is cocky enough to bleach believe that they know their way around Unix (and therefore bleach Linux), I several times used force with dpkg or bleach dselect--and usually regretted it. Heh. Yes, if you use force, all bets are off. bleach What I am finding with hamm however is that dependencies are bleach often not correct and that it seems that you must aften force bleach dselect. This is definately an uncomfortable thing for me bleach now but unless there is something else that I am missing it is bleach required. That is not necesarrily the case. I run pure hamm (espescially since I re-installed hamm after loosing my disk (due to mechanical failure). I have 999 packages, done using dselect, all except the following, which depend on elf-x11r6lib (which is gone now, these packages are sadly out of date). Except for these 8 packages, no force was used. And these are the only packages to show up on my problems list. *** Opt contrib/ xosview Fun to watch CPU/network usage programme *** Opt contrib/ xtar-smotif xtar - Motif front end for tar, with static libXm *** Opt libs tk40 The Tk toolkit for TCL and X11 v4.0 - Run-Time Pa *** Opt libs tk41 The Tk toolkit for TCL and X11 v4.1 - Run-Time Pa *** Opt non-free xarchie X11 browser interface to archie *** Opt non-free chimera X11 World-Wide Web Client *** Opt non-free xforms-dev GUI Toolkit for X Window Systems *** Opt non-free xforms0.86 GUI Toolkit for X Window Systems I am sorry for your problems, but Hamm does work -- as long as you don't second guess the system when you do not know what you are doing. (ignoring dependencies on elf-x11r6lib is the only thing I'd suggest is safe). manoj sync'ed up till wednesday the 4th -- The alternative to mutual trust, which is indeed a risky gamble, is the security of the police state. Alan Watts Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/ Key C7261095 fingerprint = CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: How unstable is hamm?
chuckle Yep, that's it! But additionally, there is some sort of problem with comerr that I encounted and after trying to get dselect to choose an acceptable solution I finally gave up and forced. Obviously it is a problem for any sysadm when required functions move from one package to another and dselect fails to complete the new installation with a removal of the old. One tends to fell kinda left high and dry since the changes are not necessarily clear or obvious. best, -bill On Fri, 5 Dec 1997, David Gaudine wrote: On Fri, 5 Dec 1997, bleach wrote: I have also had dselect render my system incapabile of a full boot a couple of times following an install session. The last being a couple of days ago and was an fsck check failure. Dselect had removed libcom_err which it seem caused e2fsck to fail to load. Dselect displayed a conflict and I forced an override--it worked. I am probably remiss in that I have not bothered to record in detail exactly what happened. It was more like, e2fslibsg removed e2fsprogs but didn't install e2fsprogsg to replace it. I did some pouting about that on another mailing list. I think the bottom line is, if you use Hamm you're getting the latest features and the latest bugs, so you have to be a bit of a gambler; it's usually fine, but there's no guarantee that nobody uploaded a bad package today. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: How unstable is hamm?
I had already read about that one (here on the list) [elf-x11r6lib] so knew that it was necessary to force for that one. Who is using comerr or comerrg? And what are the coflicts? Nevermind, doing dpkg --status on comerr2g makes it is clear to me that I need to take a close look at what is going on here on this machine... I have to wonder if any of the users of hamm have the feeling that hamm is more solid than bo? best, -bill On 5 Dec 1997, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Hi, bleach == bleach [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: bleach As to a general opinion concerning stability, the hamm base bleach system has not given me any trouble. The problems that I have bleach seen are most often related to installing or further upgrading bleach packages. bleach I suppose that like about anyone that is cocky enough to bleach believe that they know their way around Unix (and therefore bleach Linux), I several times used force with dpkg or bleach dselect--and usually regretted it. Heh. Yes, if you use force, all bets are off. bleach What I am finding with hamm however is that dependencies are bleach often not correct and that it seems that you must aften force bleach dselect. This is definately an uncomfortable thing for me bleach now but unless there is something else that I am missing it is bleach required. That is not necesarrily the case. I run pure hamm (espescially since I re-installed hamm after loosing my disk (due to mechanical failure). I have 999 packages, done using dselect, all except the following, which depend on elf-x11r6lib (which is gone now, these packages are sadly out of date). Except for these 8 packages, no force was used. And these are the only packages to show up on my problems list. *** Opt contrib/ xosview Fun to watch CPU/network usage programme *** Opt contrib/ xtar-smotif xtar - Motif front end for tar, with static libXm *** Opt libs tk40 The Tk toolkit for TCL and X11 v4.0 - Run-Time Pa *** Opt libs tk41 The Tk toolkit for TCL and X11 v4.1 - Run-Time Pa *** Opt non-free xarchie X11 browser interface to archie *** Opt non-free chimera X11 World-Wide Web Client *** Opt non-free xforms-dev GUI Toolkit for X Window Systems *** Opt non-free xforms0.86 GUI Toolkit for X Window Systems I am sorry for your problems, but Hamm does work -- as long as you don't second guess the system when you do not know what you are doing. (ignoring dependencies on elf-x11r6lib is the only thing I'd suggest is safe). manoj sync'ed up till wednesday the 4th -- The alternative to mutual trust, which is indeed a risky gamble, is the security of the police state. Alan Watts Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/ Key C7261095 fingerprint = CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
