Re: Modified Rapture, and a new question

[Adam Wilson]

On Tue, 5 Apr 2016 11:28:03 + (UTC)
Curt  wrote:

> On 2016-04-05, Brian  wrote:
> >
> >> Result of my GNOME install:  I typed   'startx'  from my
> >> command line, and I got a beautiful blue screen, a delight to the
> >> eye after days of perusing tiny
> 
> I get that too (blue, it must be the default desktop watchamacallit,
> with a light-grayish swirl in the middle). 
> 
> 
> 
> >> characters on a black display.  And in the middle of the
> >> blue screen there was a handsome mouse arrow, which moved around
> >> elegantly when controlled by my right hand.   
> >
> 
> Have you moved it elegantly to the extreme upper-left hand corner of
> the display?
> 
> > Progress indeed.
> >  
> >> And that was _all_!!  No icons, nothing to click on . . .
> >> I typed on the keyboard, no reaction . . .   There must be some
> >> simple way to get a proper GNOME started, but since I've never
> >> used it before, I wonder if someone can give me a hint.
> >
> > The gnome I have has 'Activities' in the top left of the screen.
> >
> 
> Right. Activities. Wonder what they mean by that.

It's as good a name as any, I suppose. The GNOME Overview is the
central location where everything from the applications menu to open
windows to a window list to workspaces are located, so it would make
sense to give it some generic name. "Activities" means pretty much
everything one would want to do with a computer.


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Re: Modified Rapture, and a new question

[Alan McConnell]

  New developments!  When I turned my machine on this morning, I was given
a lovely blue screen with "Alan McConnell" in a box in the center and a space 
for
the password just below.  I typed in my password and was presented with a bunch 
of
icons on the left hand side of the screen.  Very pretty.  But when I clicked on 
any
of them, trying to find a terminal emulator so I can run from the command line, 
I
get a frowny face, telling me that an error occurred(???) and the system is 
suspending.
All I can do is click OK and then I get put into the original login screen, as 
above.
I am not given a clue what the problem is.  I do know that I don't have an 
.Xauthority
file in /home/alan, and this may be part of the difficulty.  Does anyone know 
how to
create an .Xauthority with  xauth?  I find the man page of xauth pretty 
impenetrable.

 [  What is the difference between hitting the reset button, causing a reboot, 
and
turning the machine off?  It seems that there is one; otherwise why didn't I 
get this
result yesterday?  ]

I am still not able to connect to "the Internet" aka the outside world, and I 
don't
know why this is.  I am living in a retirement community and when I first moved 
in, in
December, a staff member came in with a router, connected my machine to it, and 
it
"worked".  That was with   wheezy  .  I haven't a clue why it doesn't work with
  jessie .  Of course this is a problem that I can expect only suggestions from 
the
friendly and innovative members of this E-list.

- Original Message -
From: "Brian" <a...@cityscape.co.uk>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 5:51:25 AM
Subject: Re: Modified Rapture, and a new question

On Mon 04 Apr 2016 at 16:51:23 -0400, Alan McConnell wrote:

>  solved now, I hope!  Now my progress report: after futzing around 
> and
> trying to install this and that, I decided to bite the bullet/go with 
> the
> flow, and install GNOME, the whole thing.  Which I did, and it took 
> just
> short of an hour.  For some reason, Libreoffice was not installed.  I 
> hope
> I can get it later, since I know no other method of reading the 
> occasional
> .doc and .docx files that come my way.

Strange. Libreoffice packages are dependencies of gnome (as is gdm3). You
could try
  I did get it later(apt-get install libreoffice).


> [  By the way: I could and did get  emacsen-common, but still have no 
> working
> emacs.  How does one get such?  ]

emacs24 is on DVD-2, so either you obtain this disk or (as was suggested
earlier in this thread) set up sources.list for an external mirror and
get it over the network.
  Once I get the network working, I can try this.  I think I will have 
to
  edit /etc/apt/sources.list, a ticklish procedure.  I am going to ask 
my
  GSFC friend if he can burn me the Official Debian jessie disks 2 and 
3,
  which should keep be busy for a while.

The saga continues!

Alan, swimming through molasses

Re: Modified Rapture, and a new question

[Curt]

On 2016-04-05, Brian  wrote:
>
>> Result of my GNOME install:  I typed   'startx'  from my command 
>> line, and I
>> got a beautiful blue screen, a delight to the eye after days of 
>> perusing tiny

I get that too (blue, it must be the default desktop watchamacallit,
with a light-grayish swirl in the middle). 



>> characters on a black display.  And in the middle of the blue screen 
>> there was
>> a handsome mouse arrow, which moved around elegantly when controlled 
>> by my right
>> hand.   
>

Have you moved it elegantly to the extreme upper-left hand corner of the 
display?

> Progress indeed.
>  
>> And that was _all_!!  No icons, nothing to click on . . . I typed on 
>> the keyboard,
>> no reaction . . .   There must be some simple way to get a proper 
>> GNOME started,
>> but since I've never used it before, I wonder if someone can give me 
>> a hint.
>
> The gnome I have has 'Activities' in the top left of the screen.
>

Right. Activities. Wonder what they mean by that. 

-- 
Hypertext--or should I say the ideology of hypertext?--is ultrademocratic and
so entirely in harmony with the demagogic appeals to cultural democracy that
accompany (and distract one’s attention from) the ever-tightening grip of 
plutocratic capitalism. - Susan Sontag

Re: Modified Rapture, and a new question

[Brian]

On Mon 04 Apr 2016 at 16:51:23 -0400, Alan McConnell wrote:

>  solved now, I hope!  Now my progress report: after futzing around 
> and
> trying to install this and that, I decided to bite the bullet/go with 
> the
> flow, and install GNOME, the whole thing.  Which I did, and it took 
> just
> short of an hour.  For some reason, Libreoffice was not installed.  I 
> hope
> I can get it later, since I know no other method of reading the 
> occasional
> .doc and .docx files that come my way.

Strange. Libreoffice packages are dependencies of gnome (as is gdm3). You
could try

  apt-get install -f

or

  apt-get install libreoffice


> [  By the way: I could and did get  emacsen-common, but still have no 
> working
> emacs.  How does one get such?  ]

emacs24 is on DVD-2, so either you obtain this disk or (as was suggested
earlier in this thread) set up sources.list for an external mirror and
get it over the network.

> Result of my GNOME install:  I typed   'startx'  from my command 
> line, and I
> got a beautiful blue screen, a delight to the eye after days of 
> perusing tiny
> characters on a black display.  And in the middle of the blue screen 
> there was
> a handsome mouse arrow, which moved around elegantly when controlled 
> by my right
> hand.   

Progress indeed.
 
> And that was _all_!!  No icons, nothing to click on . . . I typed on 
> the keyboard,
> no reaction . . .   There must be some simple way to get a proper 
> GNOME started,
> but since I've never used it before, I wonder if someone can give me 
> a hint.

The gnome I have has 'Activities' in the top left of the screen.

Re: Modified Rapture, and a new question

[Lisi Reisz]

On Monday 04 April 2016 21:51:23 Alan McConnell wrote:
>  I don't know why LinuxCollections
>          offers such a silly coupling for sale.

Because it is useful?  If you were someone who installs frequently (many 
people do) then you need both to cover a variety of computers.  Some don't 
have optical drives.  Some won't boot from USB keys.

To be fair to LinuxCollections, I thought that they make this abundantly 
clear. :-/  But  you wouldn't have believed it until you had discovered it 
for yourself.  As I understood it, both are DVD1.

But I thought you had decided to use Ubuntu, which you are again going to have 
on both USB stick and DVD?

Lisi

Re: Modified Rapture, and a new question

[Alan McConnell]

- Original Message -
From: "Brian" <a...@cityscape.co.uk>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Sent: Monday, April 4, 2016 3:18:49 PM
Subject: Re: Modified Rapture, and a new question

On Sat 02 Apr 2016 at 16:42:35 -0400, Alan McConnell wrote:

>  Well, it doesn't contain emacs or tex or mutt, or ImageMagick.  Why 
> are you
>  telling me what it 'should' have?

I have touched on this in another post but here is a fuller answer:
   I owe Brian an apology.  When asked to put in my DVD, I put it into my
   _second_ DVD/CD drive, which is what I used to install.  Now I have
   detached my USB-connected CD/DVD reader-writer, and I have made a lot
   of progress.  But I am still having problems; see below.


assume it is DVD-1. This image contains mutt and ImageMagick. That is
why you are being told it "'should' have". Why you think it doesn't is a
mystery.
 solved now, I hope!  Now my progress report: after futzing around 
and
trying to install this and that, I decided to bite the bullet/go with 
the
flow, and install GNOME, the whole thing.  Which I did, and it took just
short of an hour.  For some reason, Libreoffice was not installed.  I 
hope
I can get it later, since I know no other method of reading the 
occasional
.doc and .docx files that come my way.
  
[  By the way: I could and did get  emacsen-common, but still have no 
working
emacs.  How does one get such?  ]

Result of my GNOME install:  I typed   'startx'  from my command line, 
and I
got a beautiful blue screen, a delight to the eye after days of 
perusing tiny
characters on a black display.  And in the middle of the blue screen 
there was
a handsome mouse arrow, which moved around elegantly when controlled by 
my right
hand.   

And that was _all_!!  No icons, nothing to click on . . . I typed on 
the keyboard,
no reaction . . .   There must be some simple way to get a proper GNOME 
started,
but since I've never used it before, I wonder if someone can give me a 
hint.

> I hope for further responses from people who have _answers_, although I'll 
> try to
> respond to questions of significance.  To repeat: I want to know how to 
> install
> SW that I need from off the thumb drive(aka USB stick)
 That's another discovery I've made.  The data on the DVD and the data 
on
 the thumb drive are exactly the same!  I don't know why 
LinuxCollections
 offers such a silly coupling for sale.  As I wrote previously, I 
thought
 there was some 'new technology' going on.  Not so at all.

You have had responses from people who have answers. None of them appear
to meet your "significance" criterion. Repeating your question again is
unlikely to produce better answers. Responding to a mail or two might
get you further on.
 An unfair charge, Brian.  I've done a _lot_ of work, learning about and
 coping with a Debian version totally unlike the one's I've used before.
 I have paid attention to, and benefitted from, and acknowledged the
 help of several people.  Other people.

 As someone elsewhere has remarked: an experienced user, familiar with
 Debian, should be able to install a new version in a half hour.  This 
 experience -- and I'm not done yet -- has taken me _days_.  I still 
don't
 know why.

Best wishes to all, and I hope Brian is satisfied

Alan

Re: Modified Rapture, and a new question

[Brian]

On Sat 02 Apr 2016 at 16:42:35 -0400, Alan McConnell wrote:

>  Well, it doesn't contain emacs or tex or mutt, or ImageMagick.  Why 
> are you
>  telling me what it 'should' have?

I have touched on this in another post but here is a fuller answer:

A netinst image is about 300M. The vendor has sold you a DVD. There is a
lot of wasted space if it only holds that image. You haven't responded
to the question asking for image identification of the disk. We will
assume it is DVD-1. This image contains mutt and ImageMagick. That is
why you are being told it "'should' have". Why you think it doesn't is a
mystery.

> I hope for further responses from people who have _answers_, although I'll 
> try to
> respond to questions of significance.  To repeat: I want to know how to 
> install
> SW that I need from off the thumb drive(aka USB stick)

You have had responses from people who have answers. None of them appear
to meet your "significance" criterion. Repeating your question again is
unlikely to produce better answers. Responding to a mail or two might
get you further on.

Re: Modified Rapture, and a new question

[Adam Wilson]

On Sun, 03 Apr 2016 08:56:23 +
Mark Fletcher  wrote:

> On Sun, Apr 3, 2016, 17:11 Floris  wrote:
> 
> > Op Sat, 02 Apr 2016 19:46:09 +0200 schreef Alan McConnell
> > :
> >
> > > Well, I finally got my Jessie installed!  I had to pick a
> > > different kernel than then one
> > > suggested, but things finally went through.  I was even able to
> > > use the partitions I had
> > > prepared and carefully sized.
> > >
> > > My question:  how do I install "new" SW?  E.g. emacs, and mutt,
> > > and ImageMagick?  These
> > > are not found on the one CD I have.  I have in addition a thumb
> > > drive, which came with
> > > my purchase from LinuxCollections.  I have mounted it and find
> > > that it is chock full
> > > of .deb files.  I suppose there is some way of 'manually' copying
> > > a particular .deb
> > > to my disk and then installing it.  But I am afraid of getting
> > > stuck in "dependency
> > > hell".  Does someone here also have the same CD + thumb drive
> > > situation.
> > >
> > > TIA,
> > >
> > > Alan
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> I just don't understand why anyone would pay money for Jessie in the
> first place. It's supposed to be free software...

Your are free to distribute free software for money, if you so desire.
The point of free software is that you are *free* to distribute it as
you wish (either gratis or not).


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Re: Modified Rapture, and a new question

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On Mon, Apr 04, 2016 at 02:22:10AM +, Mark Fletcher wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Apr 2016 at 04:20, David Wright  wrote:
> 
> > On Sun 03 Apr 2016 at 08:56:23 (+), Mark Fletcher wrote:

[...]

> download it from Debian.org already. Separate vendors aren't adding any
> value. Why should they get paid for doing nothing useful?

They do add value: convenience. Sometimes for people without the bandwidth,
sometimes because they forward part of their proceeds to SPI or something
(if I wanted to do that I'd be forced to wrestle with some international
bank bureaucracy I better don't describe here).

I've chosen to pay for "something which is free", often for the second
reason, thus helping make it possible for you to download things for
free.

You're welcome.

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Re: Modified Rapture, and a new question

[Brad Rogers]

On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 02:22:10 +
Mark Fletcher  wrote:

Hello Mark,

>download it from Debian.org already. Separate vendors aren't adding any

Because *everyone's* got always on, unlimited access to the internet 
haven't they?

-- 
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/ _)radnever immediately apparent"
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Re: Modified Rapture, and a new question

[David Wright]

On Mon 04 Apr 2016 at 02:22:10 (+), Mark Fletcher wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Apr 2016 at 04:20, David Wright  wrote:
> > On Sun 03 Apr 2016 at 08:56:23 (+), Mark Fletcher wrote:
> > > I just don't understand why anyone would pay money for Jessie in the first
> > > place.
> >
> > Convenience, bandwidth, trust,...
> >
> > > It's supposed to be free software...
> >
> > It *is* free software. That doesn't mean that vendors have to download
> > it, burn it, verify it, market it, distribute it, support it and pay
> > for all the overheads for nothing. There's no business model in that.

> Precisely. That was my question. Why would anyone do any of that?

Eh? "Anyone" in your first question referred to purchasers who pay
money for something that is free. OK, you obviously want the quick
answer. Read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gratis_versus_libre and
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_terms_for_free_software
and realise there's no contradiction in paying for free software.

"Anyone" in your second question refers to the vendors who do any or
all of that, and charge you for it.

> Just
> download it from Debian.org already. Separate vendors aren't adding any
> value. Why should they get paid for doing nothing useful?

That's your opinion. Fortunately for the purchasers, the vendors do
something that the purchasers consider useful, and they get paid for
doing so.

Bandwidth doesn't come free, so you pay for your download instead of
buying the media. You either pay your ISP directly, or indirectly
through council/property taxes (in a library), the bill (in a
restaurant), or your employer's overheads (at work).

Cheers,
David.

Re: Modified Rapture, and a new question

[John Hasler]

Mark Fletcher writes:
> Precisely. That was my question. Why would anyone do any of that? Just
> download it from Debian.org already. Separate vendors aren't adding
> any value. Why should they get paid for doing nothing useful?

They get paid because the people who pay them choose to do so.
Presumably they disagree with you and find that the vendors do add
value, but really that's their business.  If you see no values in
purchased DVDs don't buy any.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Re: Modified Rapture, and a new question

[Mark Fletcher]

On Mon, 4 Apr 2016 at 04:20, David Wright  wrote:

> On Sun 03 Apr 2016 at 08:56:23 (+), Mark Fletcher wrote:
> > I just don't understand why anyone would pay money for Jessie in the
> first
> > place.
>
> Convenience, bandwidth, trust,...
>
> > It's supposed to be free software...
>
> It *is* free software. That doesn't mean that vendors have to download
> it, burn it, verify it, market it, distribute it, support it and pay
> for all the overheads for nothing. There's no business model in that.
>
> Cheers,
> David.
>
> Precisely. That was my question. Why would anyone do any of that? Just
download it from Debian.org already. Separate vendors aren't adding any
value. Why should they get paid for doing nothing useful?

Re: Modified Rapture, and a new question

[David Wright]

On Sun 03 Apr 2016 at 08:56:23 (+), Mark Fletcher wrote:
> I just don't understand why anyone would pay money for Jessie in the first
> place.

Convenience, bandwidth, trust,...

> It's supposed to be free software...

It *is* free software. That doesn't mean that vendors have to download
it, burn it, verify it, market it, distribute it, support it and pay
for all the overheads for nothing. There's no business model in that.

Cheers,
David.

Re: Modified Rapture, and a new question

[Brian]

On Sun 03 Apr 2016 at 11:03:10 +0200, Floris wrote:

> Op Sun, 03 Apr 2016 10:56:23 +0200 schreef Mark Fletcher
> :
> > 
> > I just don't understand why anyone would pay money for Jessie in the
> > first place. It's supposed to be free software...
> >
> >Respect to anyone who chooses to donate to the project, or to the upstream
> >of packages they particularly derive value from, >but surely the thing to
> >do would be to use it, then decide to do that??? What's the use case that
> >makes sense to pay for it >before you've tried it?
> >BTW best answer in my opinion is get networking working, then set up
> >sources.list to point at the repos as others have >suggested. If
> >networking isn't available, sources.list set up to use the thumb drive as
> >others have suggested is the way to >go. Either way, once at up, there are
> >commands line apt-get install  to install software and keep it up
> >to date.
> >Mark
> >
> 
> I don't know if the OP has a good Internet connection or need some non-free
> firmware packages to make it work. But you are right. Get your network
> up-and-running so you can make sure you have the most stable and secure
> packages available.

No, your advice first time round was right. Or at least it was useful
and appropriate for Alan McConnell's situation. The fact that he has a
DVD and a USB stick indicates he has some need or desire to use them.
Purchasing them still gets him free software.

The USB stick can most probably be used as an archive. What is on the
DVD is unknown, apart from it having the installer. If it is Debian's
DVD-1 it will contain mutt and imagemagick, so they should be capable
of installation with a correct sources.list (which d-i should have set
up).

Re: Modified Rapture, and a new question

[Floris]

Op Sun, 03 Apr 2016 10:56:23 +0200 schreef Mark Fletcher  
:





On Sun, Apr 3, 2016, 17:11 Floris  wrote:
Op Sat, 02 Apr 2016 19:46:09 +0200 schreef Alan McConnell  
:



Well, I finally got my Jessie installed!  I had to pick a different
kernel than then one
suggested, but things finally went through.  I was even able to use the
partitions I had
prepared and carefully sized.

My question:  how do I install "new" SW?  E.g. emacs, and mutt, and
ImageMagick?  These
are not found on the one CD I have.  I have in addition a thumb drive,
which came with
my purchase from LinuxCollections.  I have mounted it and find that it
is chock full
of .deb files.  I suppose there is some way of 'manually' copying a
particular .deb
to my disk and then installing it.  But I am afraid of getting stuck in
"dependency
hell".  Does someone here also have the same CD + thumb drive  
situation.


TIA,

Alan








I just don't understand why anyone would pay money for Jessie in the  
first place. It's supposed to be free software...


Respect to anyone who chooses to donate to the project, or to the  
upstream of packages they particularly derive value from, >but surely  
the thing to do would be to use it, then decide to do that??? What's the  
use case that makes sense to pay for it >before you've tried it?
BTW best answer in my opinion is get networking working, then set up  
sources.list to point at the repos as others have >suggested. If  
networking isn't available, sources.list set up to use the thumb drive  
as others have suggested is the way to >go. Either way, once at up,  
there are commands line apt-get install  to install software  
and keep it up to date.

Mark



I don't know if the OP has a good Internet connection or need some  
non-free firmware packages to make it work. But you are right. Get your  
network up-and-running so you can make sure you have the most stable and  
secure packages available.


Floris

Re: Modified Rapture, and a new question

[Mark Fletcher]

On Sun, Apr 3, 2016, 17:11 Floris  wrote:

> Op Sat, 02 Apr 2016 19:46:09 +0200 schreef Alan McConnell :
>
> > Well, I finally got my Jessie installed!  I had to pick a different
> > kernel than then one
> > suggested, but things finally went through.  I was even able to use the
> > partitions I had
> > prepared and carefully sized.
> >
> > My question:  how do I install "new" SW?  E.g. emacs, and mutt, and
> > ImageMagick?  These
> > are not found on the one CD I have.  I have in addition a thumb drive,
> > which came with
> > my purchase from LinuxCollections.  I have mounted it and find that it
> > is chock full
> > of .deb files.  I suppose there is some way of 'manually' copying a
> > particular .deb
> > to my disk and then installing it.  But I am afraid of getting stuck in
> > "dependency
> > hell".  Does someone here also have the same CD + thumb drive situation.
> >
> > TIA,
> >
> > Alan
> >
>
>
>
>

I just don't understand why anyone would pay money for Jessie in the first
> place. It's supposed to be free software...
>

Respect to anyone who chooses to donate to the project, or to the upstream
of packages they particularly derive value from, but surely the thing to do
would be to use it, then decide to do that??? What's the use case that
makes sense to pay for it before you've tried it?

BTW best answer in my opinion is get networking working, then set up
sources.list to point at the repos as others have suggested. If networking
isn't available, sources.list set up to use the thumb drive as others have
suggested is the way to go. Either way, once at up, there are commands line
apt-get install  to install software and keep it up to date.

Mark

Re: Modified Rapture, and a new question

[Floris]

Op Sat, 02 Apr 2016 19:46:09 +0200 schreef Alan McConnell :

Well, I finally got my Jessie installed!  I had to pick a different  
kernel than then one
suggested, but things finally went through.  I was even able to use the  
partitions I had

prepared and carefully sized.

My question:  how do I install "new" SW?  E.g. emacs, and mutt, and  
ImageMagick?  These
are not found on the one CD I have.  I have in addition a thumb drive,  
which came with
my purchase from LinuxCollections.  I have mounted it and find that it  
is chock full
of .deb files.  I suppose there is some way of 'manually' copying a  
particular .deb
to my disk and then installing it.  But I am afraid of getting stuck in  
"dependency

hell".  Does someone here also have the same CD + thumb drive situation.

TIA,

Alan



I think it is possible to use the thumb drive as a local repo. Does the  
drive have a directory with the following sub-directories?

dists, pool, indices and doc

Insert and mount the drive and take a note of the location. For example  
/media/USER_NAME/usb_drive

Add a line in /etc/apt/sources.list

deb file:/media/USER_NAME/usb_drive/dir_which_have_the_sub_dirs jessie  
main contrib non-free


Tell apt you have new packages as root with:
apt-get update

Install the software you want with:
apt-get install emacs

success,

Floris

Re: Modified Rapture, and a new question

[Brian]

On Sat 02 Apr 2016 at 16:42:35 -0400, Alan McConnell wrote:

> You have a DVD (not a CD). It would (or should) contain more than a
> netinst image.
>  Well, it doesn't contain emacs or tex or mutt, or ImageMagick.  Why 
> are you
>  telling me what it 'should' have?


Please mount the DVD on /mnt and post here the output of

  cat /mnt/.disk/info

Re: Modified Rapture, and a new question

[Johann Klammer]

On 04/02/2016 10:50 PM, Alan McConnell wrote:
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Brian" <a...@cityscape.co.uk>
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Sent: Saturday, April 2, 2016 3:17:09 PM
> Subject: Re: Modified Rapture, and a new question
> 
> On Sat 02 Apr 2016 at 13:46:09 -0400, Alan McConnell wrote:
> 
>> Well, I finally got my Jessie installed!  I had to pick a different kernel 
>> than then one
>> suggested, but things finally went through.  I was even able to use the 
>> partitions I had
>> prepared and carefully sized.
> 
> Good, but this is information underload. Which kernel was suggested?
> Which one did you pick? Remember, it could help others than yourself.
>It wasn't the one with the .pae.  IIRC there were a couple.  Of 
> course I
>didn't copy down the names of all the choices!
> 
>> My question:  how do I install "new" SW?  E.g. emacs, and mutt, and 
>> ImageMagick?  These
>> are not found on the one CD I have.  I have in addition a thumb drive, which 
>> came with
>> my purchase from LinuxCollections.  I have mounted it and find that it is 
>> chock full
> 
> You have a DVD (not a CD). It would (or should) contain more than a
> netinst image.
>  Well, it doesn't contain emacs or tex or mutt, or ImageMagick.  Why 
> are you
>  telling me what it 'should' have?
> 
>> of .deb files.  I suppose there is some way of 'manually' copying a 
>> particular .deb
>> to my disk and then installing it.  But I am afraid of getting stuck in 
>> "dependency
>> hell".  Does someone here also have the same CD + thumb drive situation.
> 
> The vendor has it. Have you thought of asking what it is they have sold
> you?
>   I suppose I should have bought the 8 or 10 or 15 DVDs.  As I have 
> already
>   said: I bought the DVD+thumb drive from LinuxCollections, since it 
> was
>   a) cheaper, and b) less bulky, and c) represented, I hoped a new
>   technology.  Thumb drives can contain a lot more on them than a DVD
>   can.
> 
> I hope for further responses from people who have _answers_, although I'll 
> try to
> respond to questions of significance.  To repeat: I want to know how to 
> install
> SW that I need from off the thumb drive(aka USB stick)
> 
> Alan
> 
getting network running,
configuring /etc/apt/sources.list 
and doing apt-get update, then aptitude to install software 
would be the easiest thing. 

the ones in mine are:
```
deb http://ftp.at.debian.org/debian/ testing main non-free contrib
deb-src http://ftp.at.debian.org/debian/ testing main non-free contrib
```

You may have to vary. 
(may have to be stable for stable distribution and maybe servers in your region 
for faster access)

There are ways to set up apt to use removable drives, but I forgot how2 do 
that. 
It's likely how to use that thumb drive you got.
Try the apt/aptitude manual page(s). 
oh, also apt.conf and apt-cdrom...

Re: Modified Rapture, and a new question

[Alan McConnell]

- Original Message -
From: "Brian" <a...@cityscape.co.uk>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Sent: Saturday, April 2, 2016 3:17:09 PM
Subject: Re: Modified Rapture, and a new question

On Sat 02 Apr 2016 at 13:46:09 -0400, Alan McConnell wrote:

> Well, I finally got my Jessie installed!  I had to pick a different kernel 
> than then one
> suggested, but things finally went through.  I was even able to use the 
> partitions I had
> prepared and carefully sized.

Good, but this is information underload. Which kernel was suggested?
Which one did you pick? Remember, it could help others than yourself.
   It wasn't the one with the .pae.  IIRC there were a couple.  Of 
course I
   didn't copy down the names of all the choices!

> My question:  how do I install "new" SW?  E.g. emacs, and mutt, and 
> ImageMagick?  These
> are not found on the one CD I have.  I have in addition a thumb drive, which 
> came with
> my purchase from LinuxCollections.  I have mounted it and find that it is 
> chock full

You have a DVD (not a CD). It would (or should) contain more than a
netinst image.
 Well, it doesn't contain emacs or tex or mutt, or ImageMagick.  Why 
are you
 telling me what it 'should' have?

> of .deb files.  I suppose there is some way of 'manually' copying a 
> particular .deb
> to my disk and then installing it.  But I am afraid of getting stuck in 
> "dependency
> hell".  Does someone here also have the same CD + thumb drive situation.

The vendor has it. Have you thought of asking what it is they have sold
you?
  I suppose I should have bought the 8 or 10 or 15 DVDs.  As I have 
already
  said: I bought the DVD+thumb drive from LinuxCollections, since it was
  a) cheaper, and b) less bulky, and c) represented, I hoped a new
  technology.  Thumb drives can contain a lot more on them than a DVD
  can.

I hope for further responses from people who have _answers_, although I'll try 
to
respond to questions of significance.  To repeat: I want to know how to install
SW that I need from off the thumb drive(aka USB stick)

Alan

Re: Modified Rapture, and a new question

[Brian]

On Sat 02 Apr 2016 at 13:46:09 -0400, Alan McConnell wrote:

> Well, I finally got my Jessie installed!  I had to pick a different kernel 
> than then one
> suggested, but things finally went through.  I was even able to use the 
> partitions I had
> prepared and carefully sized.

Good, but this is information underload. Which kernel was suggested?
Which one did you pick? Remember, it could help others than yourself.

> My question:  how do I install "new" SW?  E.g. emacs, and mutt, and 
> ImageMagick?  These
> are not found on the one CD I have.  I have in addition a thumb drive, which 
> came with
> my purchase from LinuxCollections.  I have mounted it and find that it is 
> chock full

You have a DVD (not a CD). It would (or should) contain more than a
netinst image.

> of .deb files.  I suppose there is some way of 'manually' copying a 
> particular .deb
> to my disk and then installing it.  But I am afraid of getting stuck in 
> "dependency
> hell".  Does someone here also have the same CD + thumb drive situation.

The vendor has it. Have you thought of asking what it is they have sold
you?

Modified Rapture, and a new question

[Alan McConnell]

Well, I finally got my Jessie installed!  I had to pick a different kernel than 
then one
suggested, but things finally went through.  I was even able to use the 
partitions I had
prepared and carefully sized.

My question:  how do I install "new" SW?  E.g. emacs, and mutt, and 
ImageMagick?  These
are not found on the one CD I have.  I have in addition a thumb drive, which 
came with
my purchase from LinuxCollections.  I have mounted it and find that it is chock 
full
of .deb files.  I suppose there is some way of 'manually' copying a particular 
.deb
to my disk and then installing it.  But I am afraid of getting stuck in 
"dependency
hell".  Does someone here also have the same CD + thumb drive situation.

TIA,

Alan