Re: [Linux-ISP] NCR 825 ctrler
On Thu, 10 Oct 1996, Ricardo Kleemann wrote: Would you say the Buslogic is better due to higher cost? I've always heard good things about the NCR controllers relative to Linux, but does the fact that they are _much_ cheaper than the BT or Adaptec mean they are poor performers? Has anyone made any comparisons? The NCR card is cheaper and on a machine which isn't very disk intensive (and if you really need to save the $80 bucks or whatever) then I'd go with it. Buslogics seem to have better driver support under Linux. I believe the company was very helpful to people wanting to get driver support under Linux. I've used the PCI NCR cards before under 2.0.x kernels with absolutely *no* problems. They defnitely don't have performance problems. I've heard (although I have no first hand knowledge) that the Adaptec 2940 cards were kinda shitty under 1.2 kernels but that's been resolved with 2.0. -Vik -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Linux-ISP] NCR 825 ctrler
The 825 has a BIOS...but the 810 based cards do not, and can't be used to boot from a SCSI disk unless your system BIOS has the appropriate BIOS extensions built in. Most Pentiums do...but some don't. I have an NCR810 card...it was in a Packard Bell...I knew nothing about PCI before (except the slots were different). The PB bios (and I tried some others in stores) do not have an options to program the PCI bus... I put the board in a compudyne Dx4/100, and the bios had some options to control the PCI bus (i.e. which interrupts were used, which slots were used, it was all guess work since the documentation just talked about syntax of the menus, not meaning). Anyway, I read the PCI howtos and it really didn't talk about this problem, when I spoke to PB, I was told they only put the machine back into a factory configuration, any other questions I have to call the $30/call help line. [I'm going to write them a nastagram, there is NO documentation on this]. The question is: Do you have to have a configuration in the bios to use PCI cards? I believe they're stupid enough to buy motherboards without functioning bioses... If not, how do I get around it? (I also tried win95, it autodetected the card but couldn't get it working; the linux driver also autodetected the card, but said the IRQ was 255...) -- marty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Member of the League for Programming Freedom -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Linux-ISP] NCR 825 ctrler
Thanks! On Thu, 10 Oct 1996, Jon Lewis wrote: Anyone use it? Is it worth to buy it? I've not gotten an 825 yet, but I have around a dozen 810's in use. They've become the standard FDT SCSI card. At about $59 each, they're hard to pass up. I'd get the 825 if you want fast-wide on a budget, or a BT-958 if you're not. I'd pass on the Adaptec since they seem to be less cooperative about releasing programming info and the 29xx driver seems to have been slow to stabilize because of this (I assume). Would you say the Buslogic is better due to higher cost? I've always heard good things about the NCR controllers relative to Linux, but does the fact that they are _much_ cheaper than the BT or Adaptec mean they are poor performers? Has anyone made any comparisons? Ricardo -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Linux-ISP] NCR 825 ctrler
On Thu, 10 Oct 1996, Ricardo Kleemann wrote: Would you say the Buslogic is better due to higher cost? I've always heard good things about the NCR controllers relative to Linux, but does the fact that they are _much_ cheaper than the BT or Adaptec mean they are poor performers? Has anyone made any comparisons? There are definitely some shortcuts taken on the NCR or some bells and whistles on the Buslogic...depending on how you look at it. My impression is that Buslogic has been as helpful as possible with Leonard Zubkoff writing the Buslogic Linux driver. The 825 has a BIOS...but the 810 based cards do not, and can't be used to boot from a SCSI disk unless your system BIOS has the appropriate BIOS extensions built in. Most Pentiums do...but some don't. -- Jon Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Unsolicited commercial e-mail will Network Administrator | be proof-read for $199/hr. Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP public key___ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: NCR 825 ctrler
Hi guys, I saw a price list which had the NCR 825 controller, and it said it's a Fast Wide controller. Is that true? Why is it so much cheaper than the Adaptec, for example? Is it a poor performer? The price was about $100 cheaper than the adaptec. Anyone use it? Is it worth to buy it? Well, I will say this about Adaptec... Just like many other name brands, you pay for the name. Thats why Digi International makes you pay through the nose! You pay $2 for the board, $700 for the Digi logo. Its an evil Microsoft world out there -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Linux-ISP] Re: NCR 825 ctrler
On Thu, 10 Oct 1996, Daniel Stringfield wrote: Well, I will say this about Adaptec... Just like many other name brands, you pay for the name. Thats why Digi International makes you pay through the nose! You pay $2 for the board, $700 for the Digi logo. Another problem iwht the high-end name brands is that they sometimes have the attitude that only they can write drivers, and so there's no point in releasing programming info, cause that will only encourage the writing of bad drivers. However, since most big name brands don't bother with Linux drivers, that generally means either some poor programmer has to reverse engineer the thing or no driver will be written...and we won't use their product. -- Jon Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Unsolicited commercial e-mail will Network Administrator | be proof-read for $199/hr. Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP public key___ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
NCR 825 ctrler
Hi guys, I saw a price list which had the NCR 825 controller, and it said it's a Fast Wide controller. Is that true? Why is it so much cheaper than the Adaptec, for example? Is it a poor performer? The price was about $100 cheaper than the adaptec. Anyone use it? Is it worth to buy it? Thanks, Ricardo -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Linux-ISP] NCR 825 ctrler
On Thu, 10 Oct 1996, Ricardo Kleemann wrote: I saw a price list which had the NCR 825 controller, and it said it's a Fast Wide controller. Is that true? Why is it so much cheaper than the Adaptec, for example? Is it a poor performer? The price was about $100 cheaper than the adaptec. The NCR 8xx based cards are typically very cheap and fast. There are some interesting comments about them in the SCSI-HOWTO. I think they're cheap because they are one of the first SCSI controllers to be totally integrated into 1 chip. The NCR 810 based card is basically one chip, one 40mhz osscilator, a few capacitors and resistors and a PCI card. Anyone use it? Is it worth to buy it? I've not gotten an 825 yet, but I have around a dozen 810's in use. They've become the standard FDT SCSI card. At about $59 each, they're hard to pass up. I'd get the 825 if you want fast-wide on a budget, or a BT-958 if you're not. I'd pass on the Adaptec since they seem to be less cooperative about releasing programming info and the 29xx driver seems to have been slow to stabilize because of this (I assume). -- Jon Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Unsolicited commercial e-mail will Network Administrator | be proof-read for $199/hr. Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP public key___ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
