Re: Newbie: Netscape woes
David Carlile wrote: Thank you very much. I don't feel too dumb... There wasn't any sort of error message. There would have been one if you had run it from an xterm. Try it and see - load an xterm and type netscape. If you're root, you'll see the error. The restriction that Netscape can't be run as root comes from the wrapper script that one of the Debian developers has created, which is run when you type 'netscape' at a prompt or run it from a menu. This restriction is not a 'feature' of Netscape itself. The wrapper script prints out an error message, but if you didn't run Netscape from a prompt you won't see it. I suppose it would be nice if the wrapper script popped up an error message window, you might even like to file a wishlist bug against netscape for it, but I don't think it's worth the effort as you shouldn't be running as the root user anyway. Run as a normal user and use 'su' to temporarily change to root when required. Matthew
Newbie: Netscape woes
Have you ever felt like you were the butt of some cosmic joke that everyone else was in on but you? Oh well. I will hold off on the newbie rant. I am trying to set up a Linux/Netscape test machine to test web applications. I got Debian up and running including X and my nic card. TCP/IP seems to be functioning just fine. I have FTP and Lynx works great. I figured installing Netscape would be a snap. I went to Netscape's website and downloaded the latest tar, unpackaged and ran the install. It installed without a hitch. I tried to run it and nothing happened. No errors. No nothing. As if I never activated the executable. Then I start reading about a Debian-Netscape package. Great. I try apt-get install communicator navigator netscape It looks on my cd rom for the packages and reports back that they aren't there. I go out on my install disk and find NS3. I run the package. It starts to install then asks for the netscape tar in my /temp dir. I ftp the correct tar to my /temp dir. I run the package. It seems to install fine. I try to run it. Nothing. Same as before. Then I start to look into apt and find I don't have it configured to look out on the net. I un-remark all of the lines and suddenly apt-get is a lot more useful. I run update and dist-upgrade, then I run install communicator navigator netscape. It installs the latest version of Communicator. Cool. I go to my applications menu and click on Communicator. Nothing. Nada. Zip. I am going to shelf the rant/whine and just ask... Does anybody have any idea why Netscape will not launch? Is it my old non-deb install that I never uninstalled? Please help! I almost bought a shrink-wrapped redhat box yesterday... D A V I D C A R L I L E
Re: Newbie: Netscape woes
I go to my applications menu and click on Communicator. Nothing. Nada. Zip. I am going to shelf the rant/whine and just ask... Does anybody have any idea why Netscape will not launch? Is it my old non-deb install that I never uninstalled? Please help! I almost bought a shrink-wrapped redhat box yesterday... D A V I DC A R L I L E Netscape is set up so that you can't run it from root, (for security). Try launching it as a user. Dan = No pessimist ever discovered the secret of the stars, or sailed to an uncharted land, or opened a new doorway for the human spirit. - Helen Keller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Running Debian GNU/Linux __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/
Re: Newbie: Netscape woes
On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 08:16:52PM -0700, David Carlile wrote: snip I go to my applications menu and click on Communicator. Nothing. Nada. Zip. I am going to shelf the rant/whine and just ask... Does anybody have any idea why Netscape will not launch? Is it my old non-deb install that I never uninstalled? Please help! I almost bought a shrink-wrapped redhat box snip Try 'communicator-smotif.real' from the command line. kent -- From seeing and seeing the seeing has become so exhausted First line of The Panther - R. M. Rilke
Re: Newbie: Netscape woes
On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 08:16:52PM -0700, David Carlile wrote: apt-get install communicator navigator netscape navigator would suffice It looks on my cd rom for the packages and reports back that they aren't there. I go out on my install disk and find NS3. I run the The latest is not on the CD because it's not free, in the GNU sense, but it's available. I use apt-get install navigator on the non-free site. I go to my applications menu and click on Communicator. Nothing. Nada. Zip. I am going to shelf the rant/whine and just ask... Does anybody have any idea why Netscape will not launch? Is it my old non-deb install that I never uninstalled? Please help! I almost bought a shrink-wrapped redhat box yesterday... Did you try it from a terminal so that you could see any error messages? Did you try it as root? You shouldn't. This isn't a windows box. Mike -- Michael P. Soulier [EMAIL PROTECTED] With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not necessarily a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead. -- RFC 1925 pgpsFtjOHsn1G.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: Newbie: Netscape woes
Thank you very much. I don't feel too dumb... There wasn't any sort of error message. Now I'm stuck again. Netscape complains about the existence of a lock file in the .netscape subdirectory of my home directory. Far as I can tell, there is only a bookmarks.htm file in there. I looked for hidden files but no. -Original Message- From: D.B.E. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 8:22 PM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Newbie: Netscape woes I go to my applications menu and click on Communicator. Nothing. Nada. Zip. I am going to shelf the rant/whine and just ask... Does anybody have any idea why Netscape will not launch? Is it my old non-deb install that I never uninstalled? Please help! I almost bought a shrink-wrapped redhat box yesterday... D A V I DC A R L I L E Netscape is set up so that you can't run it from root, (for security). Try launching it as a user. Dan = No pessimist ever discovered the secret of the stars, or sailed to an uncharted land, or opened a new doorway for the human spirit. - Helen Keller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Running Debian GNU/Linux __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.230 / Virus Database: 111 - Release Date: 1/25/2001 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.230 / Virus Database: 111 - Release Date: 1/25/2001
RE: Newbie: Netscape woes
figured it out myself... :) backed up .netscape directory and deleted it. NS made a new one for me. -Original Message- From: David Carlile [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 8:52 PM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: RE: Newbie: Netscape woes Thank you very much. I don't feel too dumb... There wasn't any sort of error message. Now I'm stuck again. Netscape complains about the existence of a lock file in the .netscape subdirectory of my home directory. Far as I can tell, there is only a bookmarks.htm file in there. I looked for hidden files but no. -Original Message- From: D.B.E. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 8:22 PM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Newbie: Netscape woes I go to my applications menu and click on Communicator. Nothing. Nada. Zip. I am going to shelf the rant/whine and just ask... Does anybody have any idea why Netscape will not launch? Is it my old non-deb install that I never uninstalled? Please help! I almost bought a shrink-wrapped redhat box yesterday... D A V I DC A R L I L E Netscape is set up so that you can't run it from root, (for security). Try launching it as a user. Dan = No pessimist ever discovered the secret of the stars, or sailed to an uncharted land, or opened a new doorway for the human spirit. - Helen Keller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Running Debian GNU/Linux __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.230 / Virus Database: 111 - Release Date: 1/25/2001 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.230 / Virus Database: 111 - Release Date: 1/25/2001 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.230 / Virus Database: 111 - Release Date: 1/25/2001 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.230 / Virus Database: 111 - Release Date: 1/25/2001
Re: Netscape Woes
apt-get install netscape Also works well and get all the depends right. I do agree though that three or four installs are about right for learning. I would suggest that you try to apt-get everything you can things IMHO just work better that way. -- Original Message -- From: kmself@ix.netcom.com Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 18:46:00 -0800 on Mon, Jan 22, 2001 at 12:51:45PM -0600, ktb ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Mon, Jan 22, 2001 at 08:12:22AM -0500, Howell Caton wrote: As a complete newbie, I had to install linux 2.2 several times before I got all the kinks worked out. Each time I downloaded netscape 2.76 from ftp.netscape.com. I'd get the error message libstdc++=libc6.1-1.so.2 not available. I solved that by linking it to libstdc++=libc6.1-2.so.3, which is probably not relevant, but I don't know for sure. Anyway, it worked. The last time I re-installed, I used netscape 3.? from the Debian distribution. It worked, but was hopelessly outdated. So I downloaded 4.76 again and installed it over my 3.? installation. When I ran it, I got a bus error message. Thinking that some files from my 3.? version wer still around causing incompatibitites with 4.76 stuff, I ripped everything out and re-installed 4.76. I still got the bus error message. I don't have a clue about how to troubleshoot this problem. Can anyone help? Thanks! First I don't know why you did the multiple installs of debian. Sometimes it is warranted but for the most part you can fix problems without reboots and reinstalling. I'm sure you gained some valuable install experience though. My experience has been that three installs of a new distro are often warrented: once to see how it works, twice to try to get it right, thrice to get it right. And yes, it's a good way to learn. Best thing to do is to keep the install to a minimum, allowing you to cycle through the sequence quickly. I tend to like to play extensively with partitioning and such. I almost always find I did something that I'd prefer to have differently. As to your current dilemma I would suggest you make life easy for yourself and use apt-get. I would clean out the netscape stuff you already have and apt-get install netscape-smotif-476 Ditto. -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.com http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of Gestalt don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ http://www.kuro5hin.org
Re: Netscape Woes
on Mon, Jan 22, 2001 at 12:51:45PM -0600, ktb ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Mon, Jan 22, 2001 at 08:12:22AM -0500, Howell Caton wrote: As a complete newbie, I had to install linux 2.2 several times before I got all the kinks worked out. Each time I downloaded netscape 2.76 from ftp.netscape.com. I'd get the error message libstdc++=libc6.1-1.so.2 not available. I solved that by linking it to libstdc++=libc6.1-2.so.3, which is probably not relevant, but I don't know for sure. Anyway, it worked. The last time I re-installed, I used netscape 3.? from the Debian distribution. It worked, but was hopelessly outdated. So I downloaded 4.76 again and installed it over my 3.? installation. When I ran it, I got a bus error message. Thinking that some files from my 3.? version wer still around causing incompatibitites with 4.76 stuff, I ripped everything out and re-installed 4.76. I still got the bus error message. I don't have a clue about how to troubleshoot this problem. Can anyone help? Thanks! First I don't know why you did the multiple installs of debian. Sometimes it is warranted but for the most part you can fix problems without reboots and reinstalling. I'm sure you gained some valuable install experience though. My experience has been that three installs of a new distro are often warrented: once to see how it works, twice to try to get it right, thrice to get it right. And yes, it's a good way to learn. Best thing to do is to keep the install to a minimum, allowing you to cycle through the sequence quickly. I tend to like to play extensively with partitioning and such. I almost always find I did something that I'd prefer to have differently. As to your current dilemma I would suggest you make life easy for yourself and use apt-get. I would clean out the netscape stuff you already have and apt-get install netscape-smotif-476 Ditto. -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.comhttp://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of Gestalt don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ http://www.kuro5hin.org pgpDA4qrNbZJy.pgp Description: PGP signature
Netscape Woes
As a complete newbie, I had to install linux 2.2 several times before I got all the kinks worked out. Each time I downloaded netscape 2.76 from ftp.netscape.com. I'd get the error message libstdc++=libc6.1-1.so.2 not available. I solved that by linking it to libstdc++=libc6.1-2.so.3, which is probably not relevant, but I don't know for sure. Anyway, it worked. The last time I re-installed, I used netscape 3.? from the Debian distribution. It worked, but was hopelessly outdated. So I downloaded 4.76 again and installed it over my 3.? installation. When I ran it, I got a bus error message. Thinking that some files from my 3.? version wer still around causing incompatibitites with 4.76 stuff, I ripped everything out and re-installed 4.76. I still got the bus error message. I don't have a clue about how to troubleshoot this problem. Can anyone help? Thanks!
Re: Netscape Woes
On Mon, Jan 22, 2001 at 08:12:22AM -0500, Howell Caton wrote: As a complete newbie, I had to install linux 2.2 several times before I got all the kinks worked out. Each time I downloaded netscape 2.76 from ftp.netscape.com. I'd get the error message libstdc++=libc6.1-1.so.2 not available. I solved that by linking it to libstdc++=libc6.1-2.so.3, which is probably not relevant, but I don't know for sure. Anyway, it worked. The last time I re-installed, I used netscape 3.? from the Debian distribution. It worked, but was hopelessly outdated. So I downloaded 4.76 again and installed it over my 3.? installation. When I ran it, I got a bus error message. Thinking that some files from my 3.? version wer still around causing incompatibitites with 4.76 stuff, I ripped everything out and re-installed 4.76. I still got the bus error message. I don't have a clue about how to troubleshoot this problem. Can anyone help? Thanks! First I don't know why you did the multiple installs of debian. Sometimes it is warranted but for the most part you can fix problems without reboots and reinstalling. I'm sure you gained some valuable install experience though. As to your current dilemma I would suggest you make life easy for yourself and use apt-get. I would clean out the netscape stuff you already have and apt-get install netscape-smotif-476 Make sure you have your /etc/apt/sources.list in order. See man apt-get and man sources.list. Afterall apt-get is one of the things that makes debian so wonderful to use:) hth, kent -- I'd really love ta wana help ya Flanders but... Homer Simpson
Re: Netscape Woes
Why not just install the Debian package(s) for 4.76 (assuming you are running potato or later). This work fine for me. IIRC the bus error is avoided by the wrapper script which is contained in the Debian package installation. On Mon, Jan 22, 2001 at 08:12:22AM -0500, Howell Caton wrote: As a complete newbie, I had to install linux 2.2 several times before I got all the kinks worked out. Each time I downloaded netscape 2.76 from ftp.netscape.com. I'd get the error message libstdc++=libc6.1-1.so.2 not available. I solved that by linking it to libstdc++=libc6.1-2.so.3, which is probably not relevant, but I don't know for sure. Anyway, it worked. The last time I re-installed, I used netscape 3.? from the Debian distribution. It worked, but was hopelessly outdated. So I downloaded 4.76 again and installed it over my 3.? installation. When I ran it, I got a bus error message. Thinking that some files from my 3.? version wer still around causing incompatibitites with 4.76 stuff, I ripped everything out and re-installed 4.76. I still got the bus error message. I don't have a clue about how to troubleshoot this problem. Can anyone help? Thanks! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Bob Nielsen, N7XY [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bainbridge Island, WA http://www.oz.net/~nielsen
Re: My Netscape Woes
Cameron Matheson wrote: Hello everyone, I am having the worst time with netscape. It worked beautifully for a while, but now the toolbars are all monochrome. The Webpages look fine, but the toolbars are monochrome. Quake is also monochrome. The Debian Online Help is monochrome too. Everything else is fine (colorful). I have no idea what I would have done to mess this up, but I'm not very pleased. Please help, Thank you Cameron Matheson I've seen this a few times; I only have a 1MB video card,and I think (being no expert) that the color palettes get all used up (terminology?). Restarting X seems to clear the colors back to normal, at least for me.
My Netscape Woes
Hello everyone, I am having the worst time with netscape. It worked beautifully for a while, but now the toolbars are all monochrome. The Webpages look fine, but the toolbars are monochrome. Quake is also monochrome. The Debian Online Help is monochrome too. Everything else is fine (colorful). I have no idea what I would have done to mess this up, but I'm not very pleased. Please help, Thank you Cameron Matheson
Re: My Netscape Woes
I am having the worst time with netscape. It worked beautifully for a while, but now the toolbars are all monochrome. The Webpages look fine, but the toolbars are monochrome. Quake is also monochrome. The Debian Online Help is monochrome too. Everything else is fine (colorful). I have no idea what I would have done to mess this up, but I'm not very pleased. Please help, Did you by any chance change your color depth to 24-bit? That happened for me too. Changed it to 24-bit after getting a graphics card that could handle it and then Netscape went bad. I don't think there's any other solution except to go to 16-bit or 32-bit. -- Bart Szyszka [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ:4982727 GigaBee Interactive http://www.gigabee.com Join AllAdvantage.com and get paid to surf the Web! http://www.alladvantage.com/go.asp?refid=ARD582
Re: My Netscape Woes
Bart writes: Did you by any chance change your color depth to 24-bit? That happened for me too. Changed it to 24-bit after getting a graphics card that could handle it and then Netscape went bad. I don't think there's any other solution except to go to 16-bit or 32-bit. I am running my G400 at 24bpp and Netscape works fine (well, as well as it ever does). -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler) Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI
Re: Netscape woes...
Ok, I removed the .netscape directory and now the script in /usr/bin/X11/netscape works fine. (This seems to start v4.05) This is when I get the Aborted. error message. Now if I type /usr/local/netscape/netscape I still get the bus error. I wonder if anyone else is having problems with v4.5. Something is screwy here, because the script in the X11 directory (the debian thing) appears to call the exec in the /usr/local/netscape directory... I am confused... :O Thanks for you help! Doug Rob Mahurin wrote: I got the bus error message repeatedly some time ago for absolutely no apparent reason. I moved my ~/.netscape/ directory to .netscape.screwed/ and ran it again, and it gave the you haven't run netscape before dialog and set itself up again and worked fine. I never figured out what was changed, but you might try that. Hope it helps. Rob On Sat, Feb 06, 1999 at 10:14:17AM -0800, Doug Thistlethwaite wrote: Hello, I hope someone can help with this. I have been using netscape 4.05 for some time without a hitch. Recently, my disk ran out of space and sense then, my netscape will not run (I fixed the disk space problem BTW). I get the message Aborted. when I try to start it from a command line. Today, I figured my netscape files were probably screwed up so I downloaded the v4.5 files from netscape and installed them using the ns-install (like I did before). I still get the Aborted. if I type netscape in a $ prompt (This runs the script in /usr/bin/X11) and I get the error bus error if I type /usr/local/netscape. Any ideas on what is wrong with this? Thanks, Doug -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- Welcome to Lake Wobegon, where all the men are strong, the women are pretty, and the children are above-average. -- Garrison Keillor
Re: Netscape woes...
On Sat, Feb 06, 1999 at 07:16:24PM -0800, Doug Thistlethwaite wrote: Ok, I removed the .netscape directory and now the script in /usr/bin/X11/netscape works fine. (This seems to start v4.05) This is when I get the Aborted. error message. Now if I type /usr/local/netscape/netscape I still get the bus error. I wonder if anyone else is having problems with v4.5. Something is screwy here, because the script in the X11 directory (the debian thing) appears to call the exec in the /usr/local/netscape directory... I am confused... :O Thanks for you help! Doug Glad it worked. Clarification: The error message I eliminated by moving my .netscape/ directory was also aborted, like yours; I remembered wrong. I had seen bus error because that's what it says if I start netscape from the console and then kill it from there instead of using an exit command (either with kill or with Ctrl-C). This sounds like it should be helpful information but I have no idea what you could do with it, unless you were accidentally typing netscape kill %netscape and not noticing. I think that's unlikely; but something like that could be happening down the line. Also, I appear to be running 4.07 instead of 4.05; that may also make a difference. Good luck, Rob -- What you don't know won't help you much either. -- D. Bennett
Netscape woes...
Hello, I hope someone can help with this. I have been using netscape 4.05 for some time without a hitch. Recently, my disk ran out of space and sense then, my netscape will not run (I fixed the disk space problem BTW). I get the message Aborted. when I try to start it from a command line. Today, I figured my netscape files were probably screwed up so I downloaded the v4.5 files from netscape and installed them using the ns-install (like I did before). I still get the Aborted. if I type netscape in a $ prompt (This runs the script in /usr/bin/X11) and I get the error bus error if I type /usr/local/netscape. Any ideas on what is wrong with this? Thanks, Doug
Re: Netscape woes...
I got the bus error message repeatedly some time ago for absolutely no apparent reason. I moved my ~/.netscape/ directory to .netscape.screwed/ and ran it again, and it gave the you haven't run netscape before dialog and set itself up again and worked fine. I never figured out what was changed, but you might try that. Hope it helps. Rob On Sat, Feb 06, 1999 at 10:14:17AM -0800, Doug Thistlethwaite wrote: Hello, I hope someone can help with this. I have been using netscape 4.05 for some time without a hitch. Recently, my disk ran out of space and sense then, my netscape will not run (I fixed the disk space problem BTW). I get the message Aborted. when I try to start it from a command line. Today, I figured my netscape files were probably screwed up so I downloaded the v4.5 files from netscape and installed them using the ns-install (like I did before). I still get the Aborted. if I type netscape in a $ prompt (This runs the script in /usr/bin/X11) and I get the error bus error if I type /usr/local/netscape. Any ideas on what is wrong with this? Thanks, Doug -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- Welcome to Lake Wobegon, where all the men are strong, the women are pretty, and the children are above-average. -- Garrison Keillor
RE: netscape woes
Not so! Mozilla may not be the wonderful GPL'd program I would like it to be, but it's still free. Unless you consider that Mozilla isn't quite from Netscape... So what happens when AOL decides not to support Mozilla any further? The joke about Mozilla not being quite from Netscape^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HAOL is that Mozilla is the name of the strictly free version of Netscape, which, if still copyrighted by Netscape, is worked on by everyone. And as the license is free, even if it's copyrighted by Netscape it is available for everyone. If AOL stops supporting Mozilla, it was already released under a free software license. So we (the free software community) take over the development, and that's it. Once something has been released, everyone who obtained that thing legally still abide by the original license. No one can impose on you modifications on the license terms you have already obtained. So the software is free forever. Leandro Guimaraens Faria Corcete Dutra Amdocs Brasil Ltda
Re: netscape woes
Not so! Mozilla may not be the wonderful GPL'd program I would like it to be, but it's still free. Unless you consider that Mozilla isn't quite from Netscape... So what happens when AOL decides not to support Mozilla any further?
Re: netscape woes
What's the fuss about? Just download it yourself and install it. Apart from configuration data, all of netscape resides in /usr/local/netscape, so you can upgrade to newer versions easily. The browser works well, maybe even better than IE5. V4.5 may be the last free browser from netscape, so enjoy it while you can! Ed Cogburn wrote: Question #2: Alas, Netscape Communicator is a *bloated pig* of a program.
Re: netscape woes
Richard Lyon wrote: What's the fuss about? Just download it yourself and install it. Apart from configuration data, all of netscape resides in /usr/local/netscape, so you can upgrade to newer versions easily. The browser works well, maybe even better than IE5. V4.5 may be the last free browser from netscape, so enjoy it while you can! Ed Cogburn wrote: Question #2: Alas, Netscape Communicator is a *bloated pig* of a program. Well, for one thing, we were talking about the NS *.deb packages in slink, and not the NS tarball you can get from ftp.netscape.com. Apparently, NS 4.5 doesn't do well for everybody (I have to be very carefull with the mouse when switching windows to avoid a crash). I've never used IE5, so I can't compare. -- Ed C.
Re: netscape woes
Richard Lyon wrote: The browser works well, maybe even better than IE5. V4.5 may be the last free browser from netscape, so enjoy it while you can! Not so! Mozilla may not be the wonderful GPL'd program I would like it to be, but it's still free. Unless you consider that Mozilla isn't quite from Netscape... -- Leandro Guimaraens Faria Corcete Dutra Amdocs Brasil Ltda
Re: netscape woes
Jonathan Crowe wrote: El Fri, 20 Nov 1998, George Bonser escribió: Just exactly what is the procedure now to install netscape? I made the mistake of upgrading netscape from slink to 4.07 ... then tried 4.5 ... I have no netscape program anymore. There is a wrapper, if I link to it from, say, /usr/bin, it complains that I have no netscape-real. I just installed Netscape 4.5 the night before last. I mounted my contrib cd and copied the whole binary-i386 tree into a directory called /contrib. I then downloaded comunicator ( 13MB! what the heck is in this thing?) and put in in /tmp. I next mounted the main binary-i386 to /cdrom , told dselect where to find main and contrib and selected netscape 4.0 from the package listing. It installed without a hitch and even put netscape on my menus. ( not exactly where I wanted it but it was easy enough to copy to the spot where I did want it.) All in all a fairly painless procedure. Question the install script that comes with netscape wants to put in in /usr/local/netscape while debian wants to put it in /usr/lib/something. Why is that? It makes more sense to me to have 3rd party programs in /usr/local or even in /usr/lpp the way it would be in AIX. Question2... Netscape runs fine but takes _forever_ to startup. ( well 40 -50 seconds anyway) On the same machine running that other OS the same version on netscape loads in about 15 seconds. Is there some tweeking that can be done in linux somewhere to load programs faster on my machine? Thanks Jon Question #1: The location /usr/local is reserved (by the Filesystem Standard) for packages/programs you the local admin/user installs yourself. These programs are not known by the Debian/dpkg system. dpkg is not allowed to do anything in /usr/local, thus it must install the things it deals with (*.deb) elsewhere. Question #2: Alas, Netscape Communicator is a *bloated pig* of a program. -- Ed C.
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Ed Cogburn wrote: Question #1: The location /usr/local is reserved (by the Filesystem Standard) for packages/programs you the local admin/user installs yourself. These programs are not known by the Debian/dpkg system. dpkg is not allowed to do anything in /usr/local, thus it must install the things it deals with (*.deb) elsewhere. To be strictly accurate, this is not a restriction in dpkg but in policy. If a package says a file in in /usr/local, dpkg will put it there; but Debian maintainers must not allow their packages to put files in /usr/local. It is perfectly possible for you to make packages for local use which could legitimately use /usr/local. You would be aggrieved if dpkg were to override your wishes! -- Oliver Elphick[EMAIL PROTECTED] Isle of Wight http://www.lfix.co.uk/oliver PGP key from public servers; key ID 32B8FAA1 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6
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Ed Cogburn wrote: Question #1: The location /usr/local is reserved (by the Filesystem Standard) for packages/programs you the local admin/user installs yourself. These programs are not known by the Debian/dpkg system. dpkg is not allowed to do anything in /usr/local, thus it must install the things it deals with (*.deb) elsewhere. Ok... That makes sense. Thanks for the answer. Question #2: Alas, Netscape Communicator is a *bloated pig* of a program. Humm.. Perhaps I will downgrade to a lower version number of netscape. It seems that every level ( at least in the windows world) has gottin a little bit bigger and a little bit slower. I have a couple of other browsers that were automaticlly installed when I installed debian, like gzilla and areana but they don't seem to be ready for prime time. They seem consistantly die about 2 minutes after I start using them. Too bad really as I kind of like gzilla. Pity the lynx people have resisted putting out a graphical version. Their browser remains stable and fast and they probably would do a good job of it.
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Oliver Elphick wrote: Ed Cogburn wrote: Question #1: The location /usr/local is reserved (by the Filesystem Standard) for packages/programs you the local admin/user installs yourself. These programs are not known by the Debian/dpkg system. dpkg is not allowed to do anything in /usr/local, thus it must install the things it deals with (*.deb) elsewhere. To be strictly accurate, this is not a restriction in dpkg but in policy. If a package says a file in in /usr/local, dpkg will put it there; but Debian maintainers must not allow their packages to put files in /usr/local. It is perfectly possible for you to make packages for local use which could legitimately use /usr/local. You would be aggrieved if dpkg were to override your wishes! -- Oliver Elphick[EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes, you said it better than I did. :-) -- Ed C.
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Jonathan Crowe wrote: Ed Cogburn wrote: Question #1: The location /usr/local is reserved (by the Filesystem Standard) for packages/programs you the local admin/user installs yourself. These programs are not known by the Debian/dpkg system. dpkg is not allowed to do anything in /usr/local, thus it must install the things it deals with (*.deb) elsewhere. Ok... That makes sense. Thanks for the answer. Actually, Oliver's explanation is better (its a Debian policy issue). Question #2: Alas, Netscape Communicator is a *bloated pig* of a program. Humm.. Perhaps I will downgrade to a lower version number of netscape. It seems that every level ( at least in the windows world) has gottin a little bit bigger and a little bit slower. I have a couple of other browsers that were automaticlly installed when I installed debian, like gzilla and areana but they don't seem to be ready for prime time. They seem consistantly die about 2 minutes after I start using them. Too bad really as I kind of like gzilla. Pity the lynx people have resisted putting out a graphical version. Their browser remains stable and fast and they probably would do a good job of it. Well, NS 4.5 is a bit more buggy than NS 4.07, so I wouldn't get too excited over either of them. Right now NS 4.5 is frustrating; the Mail/Newgroup reader part of NS crashes on me way too often. -- Ed C.
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El Fri, 20 Nov 1998, George Bonser escribió: Just exactly what is the procedure now to install netscape? I made the mistake of upgrading netscape from slink to 4.07 ... then tried 4.5 ... I have no netscape program anymore. There is a wrapper, if I link to it from, say, /usr/bin, it complains that I have no netscape-real. I just installed Netscape 4.5 the night before last. I mounted my contrib cd and copied the whole binary-i386 tree into a directory called /contrib. I then downloaded comunicator ( 13MB! what the heck is in this thing?) and put in in /tmp. I next mounted the main binary-i386 to /cdrom , told dselect where to find main and contrib and selected netscape 4.0 from the package listing. It installed without a hitch and even put netscape on my menus. ( not exactly where I wanted it but it was easy enough to copy to the spot where I did want it.) All in all a fairly painless procedure. Question the install script that comes with netscape wants to put in in /usr/local/netscape while debian wants to put it in /usr/lib/something. Why is that? It makes more sense to me to have 3rd party programs in /usr/local or even in /usr/lpp the way it would be in AIX. Question2... Netscape runs fine but takes _forever_ to startup. ( well 40 -50 seconds anyway) On the same machine running that other OS the same version on netscape loads in about 15 seconds. Is there some tweeking that can be done in linux somewhere to load programs faster on my machine? Thanks Jon
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George Bonser wrote: Just exactly what is the procedure now to install netscape? I made the mistake of upgrading netscape from slink to 4.07 ... then tried 4.5 ... I have no netscape program anymore. There is a wrapper, if I link to it from, say, /usr/bin, it complains that I have no netscape-real. Now I thought the binary was now part of the package??? WHy does the .deb install a broken netscape? WHat is the proper procedure after installing the deb to get a web browser. This kinda sucks. George Bonser Remco's answer is correct. The actual NS binary is in the last package he lists, 'xxx-smotif-xxx'. -- Ed C.
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George Bonser wrote: On Sat, 21 Nov 1998, Ed Cogburn wrote: Remco's answer is correct. The actual NS binary is in the last package he lists, 'xxx-smotif-xxx'. This dod not seam to help. I went so far as to delete all the netscape packages and then download the binary myself and use the old netscape4 installer. I get the same problem on startup. Looks like the X packages are somehow fsckd up. I can not install Netscape in any way. George Bonser I wonder if this is some kind of conflict between the old netscape installer (where you put the NS binary in /tmp) and the new NS packages which have the NS binary included. I never used the netscape installer; I've always downloaded the tarball from netscape.com, and installed it in /usr/local. When I installed the 4.07 from slink I had no problems, except for the earlier problem with a missing locale dir that was a problem in the X11 stuff. Here's what I have installed (the last one has the NS binary): netscape-base-4 netscape-base-407 netscape-java-407 communicator-base-407 communicator-nethelp-407 communicator-spellchk-407 communicator-smotif-407 -- Ed C.
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On Fri, Nov 20, 1998 at 01:00:22AM -0800, George Bonser wrote: : WHat is the proper procedure after installing the deb to get a web : browser. You need to install these packages in order to get a working Netscape 4.5: dists/slink/main/binary-all/devel/dpkg-awk_0.7.1.deb dists/slink/contrib/binary-i386/web/netscape-base-4_5.deb dists/slink/non-free/binary-i386/web/netscape-base-45_4.5-1.deb dists/slink/non-free/binary-i386/web/navigator-base-45_4.5-1.deb dists/slink/non-free/binary-i386/web/navigator-smotif-45_4.5-1.deb Take care, -Remco
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El Fri, 20 Nov 1998, George Bonser escribió: Just exactly what is the procedure now to install netscape? I made the mistake of upgrading netscape from slink to 4.07 ... then tried 4.5 ... I have no netscape program anymore. There is a wrapper, if I link to it from, say, /usr/bin, it complains that I have no netscape-real. This is not exactly an answer to your problem, but finally I uninstalled all netscape .deb's and installed 4.07 tgz under /usr/local/netscape. Now I don't have a wrapper but have Netscape working again :-) The only customization required was adding MOZILLA_HOME=/usr/local/netscape export MOZILLA_HOME in ~/.bash_profile. Roberto Ripio [EMAIL PROTECTED]
