Re: New ae uploaded to Incoming
Dale Scheetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While I can add this binding back into the ae.rc file with no difficulties, and probably should. It is exactly those function keys that these keybinding are supposed to be fixing. There are many terminals without function keys, all send a control key... There aren't many control keys. Maybe control-t (teach)? Control-e (explain) might also be viable, but normally, it's end-of-line in emacs. [Control-t is transpose in emacs, and ae doesn't need to support that.] -- Raul -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New ae uploaded to Incoming
Dale Scheetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I did the best I could at replacing all the critical functionality with control keys so that ae can function in both a dumb terminal as well as the full featured console. Because of the limited choices the alphabet provides, I was not able to convert all the keys to control keys, so the block, cut, and paste functions, the help key, undo, and case flip are still controled by the function keys. I am taking suggestions for control key sequences for these functions, and will do what I can to convert all of them in the near future. Well, if you're emulating emacs, I'd thing that mapping block - C-space cut- C-w paste - C-y undo - C-u (not really right, I know...) might make sense. And what about C-? for help? All this predicated on the fact that I know exactly none of the restrictions on the choices.. -- Rob Browning [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP fingerprint = E8 0E 0D 04 F5 21 A0 94 53 2B 97 F5 D6 4E 39 30 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New ae uploaded to Incoming
On 17 May 1998, Rob Browning wrote: Dale Scheetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I did the best I could at replacing all the critical functionality with control keys so that ae can function in both a dumb terminal as well as the full featured console. Because of the limited choices the alphabet provides, I was not able to convert all the keys to control keys, so the block, cut, and paste functions, the help key, undo, and case flip are still controled by the function keys. I am taking suggestions for control key sequences for these functions, and will do what I can to convert all of them in the near future. Well, if you're emulating emacs, I'd thing that mapping The release being discussed did not try to emulate emacs. The most recent release (-19) has just been moved out of Incoming into frozen and unstable. This release is much more emacs like keybindings, although there are several exceptions as discussed below. All of my statements below are with respect to the -19 version. block - C-space I used C-@ before I knew about C-space. I will add it to the next release (as an alternate key) to reduce the surprise for those emacs users used to using C-space. cut- C-w Which is what I used ;-) paste - C-y Here as well. undo - C-u (not really right, I know...) On my first cut I used that key as well, but when I found out that the default emacs key was C-_ I choosed that one instead ;-) I can add C-U as an alternative as well, as it isn't used elsewhere...maybe... might make sense. And what about C-? for help? All this predicated Well, the choice I made was not all that correct either. The correct choice would be a C-H sequence of some sort, but this is problematical at several levels. I actually like C-? as much as the poor choice of C-X C-H that I used, maybe more. I would easily sway to a popularity poll on the issue ;-) on the fact that I know exactly none of the restrictions on the choices.. The restrictions are nonexistant, as far as the .rc file format is concerned. You can designate a key as \0180 or as P. The control key is represented as ^ so C-Y is represented as ^Y and works for upper and lower case Y when executed (all other instances of Y will be case dependent. ^[ represents the esc key, which is why I used ^[ for the literal escape. This sequence (C-[) creates an escape key to ae. On terminals without an escape key this is useful for typing the escape sequences described in the help screen. Also note the entry for .literal in the ae.rc file is assigned this keystroke with the string ^\[ to keep the .rc parser from interpreting the string as an escape. The current version of ae is compiled against the slang library which is termcap oriented. This is the reason for all the termcap declarations at the beginning of the ae.rc file. Because of the sparse nature of slang, many of the keycode type entries are required in addition to their initial termcap code entries. You will note that multiple entries are allowed for all the functions that may be bound to a key, so creativity can be allowed to get things all tangled up ;-) One more point of general interest. Copy /etc/ae.rc into your home directory as ae.rc and any ae session run as that user will use the .rc file found in the users home directory, rather than the one found in /etc/ae.rc. You can then modify this file to your heart's content. This is a great way to experiment without effecting ae's functionality for others. You can also construct a custom configuration of ae that satisfies your desires for key bindings and never effect the way other users see ae. Luck, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_- Author of The Debian Linux User's Guide _-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (850) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New ae uploaded to Incoming
Dale Scheetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, the choice I made was not all that correct either. The correct choice would be a C-H sequence of some sort, but this is problematical at several levels. C-? is fine for those environments where it's not DEL, but the proper way to implement help has all unbound keys suggest the cannonical help key (for example: press F1 for help). -- Raul -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New ae uploaded to Incoming
Raul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: C-? is fine for those environments where it's not DEL, but the proper way to implement help has all unbound keys suggest the cannonical help key (for example: press F1 for help). Ok, but Dale's trying to find control bindings for everything, in addition to the function keys, I believe for terminals where the function keys don't work right. -- Rob Browning [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP fingerprint = E8 0E 0D 04 F5 21 A0 94 53 2B 97 F5 D6 4E 39 30 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New ae uploaded to Incoming
Dale Scheetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 17 May 1998, Rob Browning wrote: block - C-space I used C-@ before I knew about C-space. I will add it to the next release (as an alternate key) to reduce the surprise for those emacs users used to using C-space. C-space typically sends C-@ on most terminals. undo - C-u (not really right, I know...) If you're looking for to not surprise first-time sysadmins in desperate straits, which is really the only type of person who would be using ae, then I suggest binding C-z (Mac and Windows users), C-/ and C-_ (emacs users), and C-u (Vi users). And what about C-? for help? I would suggest guaranteeing that both C-h and C-? are _always_ delete backwards. Otherwise some sysadmin is going to be cursing you somewhere when they're desperately trying to edit their /etc/fstab and can't delete without bringing up the help screen. Incidentally, Esc h seems nicer to me than C-x h for help, but whatever. If you're looking for emacs users to be able to survive you'll need a bunch more bindings though. C-d, M-d, C-n, C-p, C-b, C-f, for example. greg -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New ae uploaded to Incoming
On Sun, 17 May 1998, Raul Miller wrote: Dale Scheetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, the choice I made was not all that correct either. The correct choice would be a C-H sequence of some sort, but this is problematical at several levels. C-? is fine for those environments where it's not DEL, but the proper This is exactly why I can't use it with the current ae.rc, as C-? is already bound to DEL. way to implement help has all unbound keys suggest the cannonical help key (for example: press F1 for help). While I can add this binding back into the ae.rc file with no difficulties, and probably should. It is exactly those function keys that these keybinding are supposed to be fixing. There are many terminals without function keys, all send a control key... Luck, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_- Author of The Debian Linux User's Guide _-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (850) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
New ae uploaded to Incoming
I want to take this time to make a broader announcement than I usually do when I release a new version of a package. ae has been in a big mess since the move to the slang library, and the only excuse that I have for taking so long is that the mess was very complicated, and not all the details were in my control. I want to thank Jim Mintha for taking over the slang package in the midst of this crises. Without his help, I would not be releaseing the package even now. All of the major issues have been dealt with, however I wish to discuss some things in more detail here. I did the best I could at replacing all the critical functionality with control keys so that ae can function in both a dumb terminal as well as the full featured console. Because of the limited choices the alphabet provides, I was not able to convert all the keys to control keys, so the block, cut, and paste functions, the help key, undo, and case flip are still controled by the function keys. I am taking suggestions for control key sequences for these functions, and will do what I can to convert all of them in the near future. The vi emulation has also been repaired (for the most part) and should work in both console and xterm environments. I took the DISPLAY method of deciding whether X was in place or not. This may not work in all configurations, so please let me know what these configurations are that don't work correctly. I have also modified the arrangement of config files in /etc. The default config file (ae.rc) is found in /etc while the other config files provided can be found in /etc/ae. These include the console and X config files for the vi emulation, as well as fn.rc, which is a function key implimentation of the editor. For those who want this, instead of the default, there are several ways to deal with the problem. The best is to take the config file you like and place it in your home directory. ae will look there first when looking for a .rc file. I found this a great way to segregate my test config files from the default during testing, but it makes a good way to customize ae by user preference as well. There are many little details in the config files, and while I attempted to do a good round of testing on each file I built, I am only human and thus prone to mistake. Please take a close look at this new version of ae and let me know if there are any keys that still don't work in particular situations. Waiting is, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_- Author of The Debian Linux User's Guide _-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (850) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
