Re: Need help with PGP signature verification

[Tom Browder]

On Sun, Oct 8, 2023 at 14:39 Thomas Schmitt  wrote:

> Hi,


Thanks, Thomas.

I did get the signers key fingeprints from their personal github pages. I
would go the full security route if it were only my use I'm concerned with,
but I'm working on a Raku module for others and I don't want them to be
held up by having to fumble with key trust before at least downloading the
files with a first order check with data I can provide.

I'll make sure to document exactly what I'm providing.

Best regards,

-Tom

Re: Need help with PGP signature verification

[debian-user]

"Thomas Schmitt"  wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Tom Browder wrote:
> > I'm willing to trust published PGP key fingerprints for signers of
> > Rakudo downloadable files.  
> 
> Do i get it right that you talk about https://rakudo.org/downloads ?
> 
> > Question:  How can I get the fingerprint from the downloads? 
> > The products I download are (1) the file of interest, (2) a PGP
> > signed checksums file with various shaX hashes for the file, and
> > (3) a separate file containing a PGP signature.  
> 
> The "Verify" button at above web page leads to
>   https://rakudo.org/downloads/verifying
> which explains how to use sha256 and gpg2 for verification.
> Most importantly it lists the fingerprints of the four "Keys of the
> releasers". If gpg2 --verify reports any other fingerprint, then
> the .asc file cannot be trusted.
> 
> (It is not overly trustworthy that fingerprints and the signed files
> are offered on the same web site. Once the site is compromised, both
> can be manipulated by the attacker.)

That's why the page suggests that the developers' also list their
fingerprints on their github pages, I suspect. Which they do.

Re: Need help with PGP signature verification

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

Tom Browder wrote:
> I found a usable answer. Run "gpg file.asc" and the output shows the two
> fingerprints: the primary key fingerprint and the subkey fingerprint.

Wow, that's surprising.

But indeed the man page says:

  COMMANDS
   ...
   gpg  may  be run with no commands, in which case it will perform a rea‐
   sonable action depending on the type of file it is given as  input  (an
   encrypted  message  is  decrypted, a signature is verified, a file con‐
   taining keys is listed).


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: Need help with PGP signature verification

[Tom Browder]

On Sun, Oct 8, 2023 at 05:13 Tom Browder  wrote:

> On Sun, Oct 8, 2023 at 3:29 AM DdB
>  wrote:
> > Am 08.10.2023 um 01:16 schrieb Tom Browder:
> > > I'm willing to trust published PGP key fingerprints for signers of
> > > Rakudo downloadable files.
> > > Question:  How can I get the fingerprint from the downloads?


I found a usable answer. Run "gpg file.asc" and the output shows the two
fingerprints: the primary key fingerprint and the subkey fingerprint.

I wish there was a PGP cookbook around somewhere.

Thanks, all.

-Tom

Re: Need help with PGP signature verification

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

maybe

  gpg --keyid-format long --verify signature_file.asc /some/dummy/file

this gives me the last 16 characters of the fingerprint. Like:

  gpg:using  key E9CBDFC0ABC0A854

with a matching payload file i get something like:

  Primary key fingerprint: 44BC 9FD0 D688 EB00 7C4D D029 E9CB DFC0 ABC0 A854


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: Need help with PGP signature verification

[Dan Purgert]

On Oct 08, 2023, Tom Browder wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 8, 2023 at 3:29 AM DdB
>  wrote:
> > Am 08.10.2023 um 01:16 schrieb Tom Browder:
> > > I'm willing to trust published PGP key fingerprints for signers of
> > > Rakudo downloadable files.
> > > Question:  How can I get the fingerprint from the downloads?
> > There is more than just one way to archieve this, first result from
> 
> I should have been more specific. I have the following:
> 
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
> 
> iHUEABYKAB0WIQTdpb2j9c3OmfntVsEsxulzgY84awUCZQ1GBgAKCRAsxulzgY84
> a+jhAQCZ0lLh1EnB1AwrgW0zPBp801OOeJ2QUiDBOGXBbrl/7QD/ZQe738sF2tCR
> 43SAvJOfT3b4YpGdfSUj9F7XNDoovQM=
> =mNqK
> -END PGP SIGNATURE-
> 
> I need the fingerprint from that to compare with the fingerprints I
> know from Github to see if it's from the same key.

No, you just need the key(s) from the developer(s).  Assuming you've not
accidentally tampered with the files, you'll be able to verify this
signature with a command like "gpg --verify shasum.txt.gpg shasum.txt".

You'll get a message to the effect of 

  Signature made [some-date-here]
  using RSA Key [fingerprint-here]
  Good signature from "Some Person's GPG Key Name"

NOTE -- you MAY also receive some lines to the effect of 

  WARNING: This key is not trusted, the authenticity of the signature
  cannot be verified.

As with checking a Debian ISO (or other Linux distro that uses this
style of verification), this is nothing to be worried about, it's just
GPG informing you that it doesn't have any information as to whether you
actually "trust" the key (either through you explicitly signing /
trusting the key, or trust being derived through the GPG Web of Trust).
It's roughly the GPG equivalent of a web browser going "WARNING - Self
Signed Certificate".


Anyway, once you're done with this; then you know the sha256 checksum
file is the one the developers intended you to get; and you can use it
to check the *iso file.  Probably something like "sha256sum
--ignore-missing -c sha256sum.txt"

HTH :)

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Re: Need help with PGP signature verification

[Tom Browder]

On Sun, Oct 8, 2023 at 3:29 AM DdB
 wrote:
> Am 08.10.2023 um 01:16 schrieb Tom Browder:
> > I'm willing to trust published PGP key fingerprints for signers of
> > Rakudo downloadable files.
> > Question:  How can I get the fingerprint from the downloads?
> There is more than just one way to archieve this, first result from

I should have been more specific. I have the following:

-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iHUEABYKAB0WIQTdpb2j9c3OmfntVsEsxulzgY84awUCZQ1GBgAKCRAsxulzgY84
a+jhAQCZ0lLh1EnB1AwrgW0zPBp801OOeJ2QUiDBOGXBbrl/7QD/ZQe738sF2tCR
43SAvJOfT3b4YpGdfSUj9F7XNDoovQM=
=mNqK
-END PGP SIGNATURE-

I need the fingerprint from that to compare with the fingerprints I
know from Github to see if it's from the same key.

I think using openssl might be the easiest, but all the tools seem to
have a huge number of options and a vocabulary that's very malleable.

Thanks.

-Tom

Re: Need help with PGP signature verification

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

Tom Browder wrote:
> I'm willing to trust published PGP key fingerprints for signers of Rakudo
> downloadable files.

Do i get it right that you talk about https://rakudo.org/downloads ?

> Question:  How can I get the fingerprint from the downloads? 
> The products I download are (1) the file of interest, (2) a PGP signed
> checksums file with various shaX hashes for the file, and (3) a separate
> file containing a PGP signature.

The "Verify" button at above web page leads to
  https://rakudo.org/downloads/verifying
which explains how to use sha256 and gpg2 for verification.
Most importantly it lists the fingerprints of the four "Keys of the
releasers". If gpg2 --verify reports any other fingerprint, then the .asc
file cannot be trusted.

(It is not overly trustworthy that fingerprints and the signed files
are offered on the same web site. Once the site is compromised, both can
be manipulated by the attacker.)


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: Need help with PGP signature verification

[DdB]

Am 08.10.2023 um 01:16 schrieb Tom Browder:
> I'm willing to trust published PGP key fingerprints for signers of
> Rakudo downloadable files.
> 
> Question:  How can I get the fingerprint from the downloads? 
> 
> The products I download are (1) the file of interest, (2) a PGP signed
> checksums file with various shaX hashes for the file, and (3) a separate
> file containing a PGP signature.
> 
> Thanks so much.
> 
> -Tom
> 
> 
> 
There is more than just one way to archieve this, first result from
G**-search returns:
https://superuser.com/questions/1297670/how-do-i-check-gpg-signature-given-only-the-fingerprint-and-key-id
which also contains security related warnings and hints.
HTH, DdB

Re: Need help to install gnucobol

[Timothy M Butterworth]

On Tue, Apr 18, 2023 at 2:55 PM Jerry Mellon  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am new to Debian and I would like to install gnucobol. I see it is in
> Debian 10 but not 11. I tried to download the Debian 10 gnucobol, but I
> get a message that the package is broken. Could you tell me where else I
> might obtain a compatible cobol compiler?
>

GNUCobol is packaged in Debian 12 Bookworm:

gnucobol/testing 5 amd64
 compiler package for default GnuCOBOL

gnucobol3/testing 3.1.2-5+b1 amd64
 COBOL compiler

gnucobol4/testing 4.0~early~20200606-6+b1 amd64
 COBOL compiler

Tim


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>
>

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Re: Need help to install gnucobol

[Jerry Mellon]

Hi,

I am new to Debian and I would like to install gnucobol. I see it is in 
Debian 10 but not 11. I tried to download the Debian 10 gnucobol, but I 
get a message that the package is broken. Could you tell me where else I 
might obtain a compatible cobol compiler?


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St Augustine, FL 32095
407.461.9216
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Re: Need help to install gnucobol

[Richmond]

Amine Derk  writes:

> Hello,
>
> I'm trying to use debian for the first time. and I'm not able to
> install Gnucobol.
>
> aderkaoua@LAPTOP-6B841S0M:~$ sudo apt-get install gnucobol
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree... Done
> Reading state information... Done
> E: Unable to locate package gnucobol
>
> please advise?
>
> Amine. 
> Cobol Developer 
> 571 234 9827

I compiled gnu-cobol and have it working. I obtained:

gnucobol-3.1.2.tar.xz

tar axvf gnucobol-3.1.2.tar.xz
cd gnucobol-3.1.2
./configure
make

Probably there were errors which I fixed by installing things. See how
far you get.

Re: Need help to install gnucobol

[Amine Derk]

Thanks, I'll check it out.

Update you soon.

On Tue, Feb 7, 2023, 8:35 AM  wrote:

> On 2023-02-04 20:20, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
> > Hi Amine,
> >
> > Amine Derk  (2023-02-04):
> >> I'm trying to use debian for the first time. and I'm not able to
> >> install
> >> Gnucobol.
> >>
> >> aderkaoua@LAPTOP-6B841S0M:~$ sudo apt-get install gnucobol
> >> Reading package lists... Done
> >> Building dependency tree... Done
> >> Reading state information... Done
> >> *E: Unable to locate package gnucobol*
> >>
> >> *please advise?*
> >>
> >> Amine.
> >> Cobol Developer
> >> 571 234 9827
> >
> > You contacted the installer team. Redirecting to the user support list.
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
>
> gnucobol DEB is not available in Debian 11 (Bullseye). It is,
> notwithstanding, available from older Debian 10 (Buster) and/or newer
> Debian 12 (Bookworm).
>
> --
> Best Professional Regards.
>
> --
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>
> -
> Download Metztli Reiser4: Debian Buster w/ Linux 5.16.20 AMD64
>
> -
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>
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>

Re: Need help to install gnucobol

[jose . r . r]

On 2023-02-04 20:20, Cyril Brulebois wrote:

Hi Amine,

Amine Derk  (2023-02-04):
I'm trying to use debian for the first time. and I'm not able to 
install

Gnucobol.

aderkaoua@LAPTOP-6B841S0M:~$ sudo apt-get install gnucobol
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
*E: Unable to locate package gnucobol*

*please advise?*

Amine.
Cobol Developer
571 234 9827


You contacted the installer team. Redirecting to the user support list.


Cheers,


gnucobol DEB is not available in Debian 11 (Bullseye). It is, 
notwithstanding, available from older Debian 10 (Buster) and/or newer 
Debian 12 (Bookworm).


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-
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RE: Need help to install gnucobol

[Ming Kuang]

On Sunday, February 5, 2023 12:21 PM, Amine Derk wrote:
> > I'm trying to use debian for the first time. and I'm not able to install
> > Gnucobol.
> >
> > aderkaoua@LAPTOP-6B841S0M:~$ sudo apt-get install gnucobol
> > Reading package lists... Done
> > Building dependency tree... Done
> > Reading state information... Done
> > *E: Unable to locate package gnucobol*
> >
> > *please advise?*
> [...]

Hi, Amine,

Did you run apt update before apt install ?
sudo apt-get update

This command downloads and builds a local cache of the list of available
packages.
When you use the apt install command, apt package manager searches
the cache to get the package and version information and then download
it from its repositories over the network. If the package is not in this cache,
your system won’t be able to install it.


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Re: Need help to install gnucobol

[Andika Triwidada]

> Amine Derk  (2023-02-04):
> > I'm trying to use debian for the first time. and I'm not able to install
> > Gnucobol.
> >
> > aderkaoua@LAPTOP-6B841S0M:~$ sudo apt-get install gnucobol
> > Reading package lists... Done
> > Building dependency tree... Done
> > Reading state information... Done
> > *E: Unable to locate package gnucobol*
> >
> > *please advise?*
> >
> > Amine.
> > Cobol Developer
> > 571 234 9827


https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=gnucobol

package gnucobol only available for Debian Buster, Testing, and Sid.
Current Debian Stable (Bullseye doesn't have it).

Re: Need help to install gnucobol

[Cyril Brulebois]

Hi Amine,

Amine Derk  (2023-02-04):
> I'm trying to use debian for the first time. and I'm not able to install
> Gnucobol.
> 
> aderkaoua@LAPTOP-6B841S0M:~$ sudo apt-get install gnucobol
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree... Done
> Reading state information... Done
> *E: Unable to locate package gnucobol*
> 
> *please advise?*
> 
> Amine.
> Cobol Developer
> 571 234 9827

You contacted the installer team. Redirecting to the user support list.


Cheers,
-- 
Cyril Brulebois (k...@debian.org)
D-I release manager -- Release team member -- Freelance Consultant


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Re: need help on setup netgear adapter

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Wed, Dec 01, 2021 at 10:35:49AM +, Long Wind wrote:
> Thank Andy! i've just installed bullseye again, and can't get it to work with 
> netgear wn111. its problem is same as fresh install of buster. actually i've 
> complained this before: if wifi adapter isn't set up by installer, then i'm 
> unable to get it to work after installation 
> 
> i always use same procedure to get connected: edit /etc/network/interfaces, 
> then run ifup/ifdown to take effect, i'm not aware of network manager
> 
>  allow-hotplug wlxe091f5061648
> iface wlxe091f5061648 inet dhcp
>     wpa-ssid mice
>     wpa-key-mgmt NONE
> 
> my old bullseye works, ifup looks like this:
> 
> Internet Systems Consortium DHCP Client 4.4.1
> Copyright 2004-2018 Internet Systems Consortium.
> All rights reserved.
> For info, please visit https://www.isc.org/software/dhcp/
> 
> Listening on LPF/wlxe091f5061648/e0:91:f5:06:16:48
> Sending on   LPF/wlxe091f5061648/e0:91:f5:06:16:48
> Sending on   Socket/fallback
> DHCPDISCOVER on wlxe091f5061648 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 5
> DHCPDISCOVER on wlxe091f5061648 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 5
> DHCPOFFER of 192.168.41.52 from 192.168.41.1
> DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.41.52 on wlxe091f5061648 to 255.255.255.255 port 67
> DHCPACK of 192.168.41.52 from 192.168.41.1
> bound to 192.168.41.52 -- renewal in 676 seconds.
> 

Are you using the unofficial non-free including firmware .iso to install 
from?

I'd suggest starting there:

https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/11.1.0+nonfree/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-11.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso

If you can install via Ethernet before using the wireless interface, I would
suggest that you do so.

I would also suggest installing the network manager package to configure the 
network interface. I find that nmtui is very useful.

All the very best, as ever,

Andy Cater
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: need help on setup netgear adapter

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Wed, Dec 01, 2021 at 05:20:02AM +, Long Wind wrote:
> Thank  Andrew!
> i've been able to get stretch and bullseye to work with netgear wn111
> both have installed other wifi adapter with non-freeware before
> but i can't get fresh install of buster to work
> buster has /lib/firmware/carl9170-1.fw
> i run ifup wlx... :
> 
> Internet Systems Consortium DHCP Client 4.4.1
> Copyright 2004-2018 Internet Systems Consortium.
> All rights reserved.
> For info, please visit https://www.isc.org/software/dhcp/
> 
> Listening on LPF/wlxe091f5061648/e0:91:f5:06:16:48
> Sending on   LPF/wlxe091f5061648/e0:91:f5:06:16:48
> Sending on   Socket/fallback
> DHCPDISCOVER on wlxe091f5061648 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 4
> DHCPDISCOVER on wlxe091f5061648 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 11
> DHCPDISCOVER on wlxe091f5061648 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 21
> DHCPDISCOVER on wlxe091f5061648 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 15
> DHCPDISCOVER on wlxe091f5061648 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 10
> No DHCPOFFERS received.
> No working leases in persistent database - sleeping.
> 
> 

Unless you absolutely postitively have to use buster at this point: if you
have it working under Bullseye - Debian 11 - use bullseye on this system.

This is an _old_ adapter 2013-2015, I think? and may not be as capable 
as newer hardware, but in this case I think there is soemthing else?

If you plug it into a bullseye machine and do the same, what do you see?

In any event, use the most up to date software that works.

All the very best, as ever,

Andy Cater

> 
> 

Re: need help on setup netgear adapter

[Long Wind]

Thank  Andrew!
i've been able to get stretch and bullseye to work with netgear wn111
both have installed other wifi adapter with non-freeware before
but i can't get fresh install of buster to work
buster has /lib/firmware/carl9170-1.fw
i run ifup wlx... :

Internet Systems Consortium DHCP Client 4.4.1
Copyright 2004-2018 Internet Systems Consortium.
All rights reserved.
For info, please visit https://www.isc.org/software/dhcp/

Listening on LPF/wlxe091f5061648/e0:91:f5:06:16:48
Sending on   LPF/wlxe091f5061648/e0:91:f5:06:16:48
Sending on   Socket/fallback
DHCPDISCOVER on wlxe091f5061648 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 4
DHCPDISCOVER on wlxe091f5061648 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 11
DHCPDISCOVER on wlxe091f5061648 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 21
DHCPDISCOVER on wlxe091f5061648 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 15
DHCPDISCOVER on wlxe091f5061648 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 10
No DHCPOFFERS received.
No working leases in persistent database - sleeping.

Re: need help on setup netgear adapter

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 09:56:32AM +, Long Wind wrote:
> i plug netgear wn111 to other PC (hp thin client) running debian 11it easily 
> work, and don't seem to need non-free firmware??how to verify this? i think  
> rt2870.bin is needed by other adapter
> 
> 
>  ls /lib/firmware/ -lR
> /lib/firmware/:
> total 68
> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root  4096 Sep 20 03:17 av7110
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 13388 Feb  1  2020 carl9170-1.fw
> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root  4096 Sep 20 03:17 cis
> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root  4096 Sep 20 03:17 dsp56k
> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root  4096 Sep 20 03:17 isci
> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root  4096 Sep 20 03:17 keyspan_pda
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  3764 Jun 30  2020 regulatory.db
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  1249 Jun 30  2020 regulatory.db.p7s
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  8192 Sep 19 22:11 rt2870.bin
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   999 Feb  1  2020 usbduxfast_firmware.bin
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  1770 Feb  1  2020 usbdux_firmware.bin
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  8192 Feb  1  2020 usbduxsigma_firmware.bin
> 
> /lib/firmware/av7110:
> total 4
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 212 Feb  1  2020 bootcode.bin
> 
> /lib/firmware/cis:
> total 64
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 137 Feb  1  2020 3CCFEM556.cis
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 134 Feb  1  2020 3CXEM556.cis
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 109 Feb  1  2020 COMpad2.cis
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  76 Feb  1  2020 COMpad4.cis
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 136 Feb  1  2020 DP83903.cis
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 253 Feb  1  2020 LA-PCM.cis
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 107 Feb  1  2020 MT5634ZLX.cis
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  54 Feb  1  2020 NE2K.cis
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 210 Feb  1  2020 PCMLM28.cis
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  68 Feb  1  2020 PE-200.cis
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  74 Feb  1  2020 PE520.cis
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  86 Feb  1  2020 RS-COM-2P.cis
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 122 Feb  1  2020 SW_555_SER.cis
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 140 Feb  1  2020 SW_7xx_SER.cis
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 132 Feb  1  2020 SW_8xx_SER.cis
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  85 Feb  1  2020 tamarack.cis
> 
> /lib/firmware/dsp56k:
> total 4
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 375 Feb  1  2020 bootstrap.bin
> 
> /lib/firmware/isci:
> total 4
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 232 Feb  1  2020 isci_firmware.bin
> 
> /lib/firmware/keyspan_pda:
> total 8
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1914 Feb  1  2020 keyspan_pda.fw
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2018 Feb  1  2020 xircom_pgs.fw
> 
> 
> 
>   

This is an old adapter. ar9170 - it looks as if it's covered in 
firmware-linux-free now - but you might need a file carl9170-1.fw

https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/firmware-linux-free

All the very best, as ever,

Andy C.

Re: need help on setting up thunderbird

[tomas]

On Thu, Aug 05, 2021 at 04:55:51PM -0400, lou wrote:
> tomas, thunderbird is working now

Thanks, glad to hear it :)

Cheers
 - t


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Re: need help on setting up thunderbird

[lou]

tomas, thunderbird is working now

Re: need help on setting up thunderbird

[tomas]

On Thu, Aug 05, 2021 at 06:34:18AM -0400, lou wrote:
> Thank didier and tomas! i've set up thunderbird
> 
> when i receive mail, thunderbird prompts me for password, i enter
> 16-char-long code, password used in their web-based mail isn't used

I think I din't understand you: is thunderbird working with your mail
now or not?

Cheers
 - t


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Re: need help on setting up thunderbird

[asoeldner]

Am 05.08.2021 um 12:34 schrieb lou:

Thank didier and tomas! i've set up thunderbird

when i receive mail, thunderbird prompts me for password, i enter
16-char-long code, password used in their web-based mail isn't used



Take a look in "Settings" and there for Master-Password ..

Re: need help on setting up thunderbird

[lou]

Thank didier and tomas! i've set up thunderbird

when i receive mail, thunderbird prompts me for password, i enter 
16-char-long code, password used in their web-based mail isn't used

Re: need help on setting up thunderbird

[tomas]

On Thu, Aug 05, 2021 at 10:08:55AM +0200, didier gaumet wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> >From memory (so take it with a grain of salt), when Thunderbird asks
> for a password to access a mail server for the first time [...]

This is more or less my recollection, yes.

> I would imagine that is somewhat similar to certain distros that
> propose a desktop environment auto-login: that is not mandatory and the
> user may chose to discard this feature if he considers it a security
> risk
> 
> Cheers :-)

My beef was not so much about (the choice of) storing your password
or not, but about *not* giving the user the possibility of entering
it when setting up the account, along with the other account data
(SMTP server, IMAP, etc.).

Cheers :-)
 - t


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Re: need help on setting up thunderbird

[didier gaumet]

Hello,

>From memory (so take it with a grain of salt), when Thunderbird asks
for a password to access a mail server for the first time, it proposes
to store it in order for the user to not have to enter his password
each time. But this storage is not mandatory. If the user choses to
enter his passord each time for security reasons, he thus may do it.

I would imagine that is somewhat similar to certain distros that
propose a desktop environment auto-login: that is not mandatory and the
user may chose to discard this feature if he considers it a security
risk

Cheers :-)

Re: need help on setting up thunderbird

[tomas]

On Thu, Aug 05, 2021 at 07:38:44AM +0800, loushanguan2...@sina.com wrote:
> mail provider gives me 16-character-long authorization code for smtp 
> server(something like 77c93457b12ab54a)i can't enter it in thunderbird
> 
> in Account Settings/Outgoing Sever dialogPort should be 587which shall i 
> choose for "Connection security" and "Authentication method"?

I /think/ (long time ago I set that up for someone, I prefer a
civilised MUA ;-) you just have to set up the account (without
any password) and then try to fetch mail. Then, Thunderbird will
ask you for the password and you can enter it. It will remember
it for the next time.

Why anyone would design software like that is beyond me. But hey.

Cheers
 - t


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Re: need help on setting up thunderbird

[Bret Busby]

On 5/8/21 7:38 am, loushanguan2...@sina.com wrote:

mail provider gives me 16-character-long authorization code for smtp server
(something like 77c93457b12ab54a)
i can't enter it in thunderbird

in Account Settings/Outgoing Sever dialog
Port should be 587
which shall i choose for "Connection security" and "Authentication method"?




You might be interested in subscribing to, and, posting your query (and 
other applicable queries) to, the two Thunderbird users mailing lists at 
groups.io .


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Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..

Re: Need help with ffmpeg installation - strange behaviour of my system - am I correct here?

[Michael Lange]

On Fri, 09 Jul 2021 22:14:23 +0300
Anssi Saari  wrote:

> Joerg Kampmann  writes:
> 
> > Hello group I wanted to install ffmpeg under Debian 9 and got some
> > errormessages (in German): 
> 
> How about errormessages not in German? LANG=en_US.utf8 apt install
> ffmpeg?
> 
> >  ffmpeg : Hängt ab von: libavcodec58 (>= 10:4.1.6) soll aber nicht
> > installiert werden
> 
> https://packages.debian.org/stretch/ffmpeg says ffmpeg in Stretch
> depends on libavcodec57, not 58. Could it be you've configured Debian
> Multimedia repository for Debian 10 for your Debian 9 system?
> 

That's what I thought. Years ago the OP might have added something to the
sources.list like

deb http://ftp.uni-kl.de/debian-multimedia/ stable main

Unfortunately now stable points to buster (debian 10).
Changing this to something like

deb http://www.deb-multimedia.org stretch main

might help.

Regards
Michael


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Re: Need help with ffmpeg installation - strange behaviour of my system - am I correct here?

[Stefan Monnier]

> 2. repair my situation - I cannot go to Debian 10 right now (I posted the
>   reason somewhere here - mouse ist awfully slow and jumpy))

You might want to try `aptitude` instead of `apt`: it will try to offer
ways to fix the problem (by removing package).
The solutions it offers can sometimes take a long time to come up
(because it performs a search through a large search tree), and it may
have effects you won't like, so carefully review the solutions proposed.


Stefan

Re: Need help with ffmpeg installation - strange behaviour of my system - am I correct here?

[Kampmann]

Heureka ...

I did an aptitude ... and got the following (and the quit!!! - but do I 
know whether my system is ok???):


root@primergy:~/software-env# aptitude install ffmpeg
Warning: Invalid locale (please review locale settings, this might lead 
to problems later):

  locale::facet::_S_create_c_locale name not valid
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  ffmpeg libaom0{a} libass9{ab} libavcodec58{ab} libavdevice58{ab} 
libavfilter7{ab} libavformat58{ab}
  libavresample4{a} libavutil56{ab} libbluray2{ab} libcdio-cdda2{a} 
libcdio-paranoia2{a} libcdio19{ab}
  libfdk-aac2{a} libkvazaar4{a} libmfx1{ab} libopenh264-5{ab} 
libpostproc55{a} libswresample3{a}
  libswscale5{a} libvidstab1.1{a} libvpx6{ab} libx264-157{ab} 
libx265-176{a} libzimg2{ab}

The following packages will be upgraded:
  librubberband2{b}
1 packages upgraded, 25 newly installed, 0 to remove and 29 not upgraded.
Need to get 15.4 MB of archives. After unpacking 56.1 MB will be used.
The following packages have unmet dependencies:
 libavformat58 : Depends: libc6 (>= 2.28) but 2.24-11+deb9u4 is installed
 Depends: libgcrypt20 (>= 1.8.0) but 1.7.6-2+deb9u4 is 
installed
 Depends: libopenmpt0 (>= 0.3.0) but 
0.2.7386~beta20.3-3+deb9u4 is installed

 libavfilter7 : Depends: libc6 (>= 2.27) but 2.24-11+deb9u4 is installed
    Depends: libfontconfig1 (>= 2.12.6) but 2.11.0-6.7+b1 
is installed
    Depends: libtesseract4 which is a virtual package and 
is not provided by any available package


    Depends: libva2 (>= 1.7.3) which is a virtual package 
and is not provided by any available package


 libopenh264-5 : Depends: libc6 (>= 2.27) but 2.24-11+deb9u4 is installed
 libcdio19 : Depends: libc6 (>= 2.27) but 2.24-11+deb9u4 is installed
 librubberband2 : Depends: libc6 (>= 2.27) but 2.24-11+deb9u4 is installed
 libvpx6 : Depends: libc6 (>= 2.27) but 2.24-11+deb9u4 is installed
 libx264-157 : Depends: libc6 (>= 2.27) but 2.24-11+deb9u4 is installed
 libass9 : Depends: libfontconfig1 (>= 2.12) but 2.11.0-6.7+b1 is installed
 libzimg2 : Depends: libc6 (>= 2.27) but 2.24-11+deb9u4 is installed
 libavcodec58 : Depends: libc6 (>= 2.27) but 2.24-11+deb9u4 is installed
    Depends: libcodec2-0.8.1 which is a virtual package and 
is not provided by any available package


    Depends: libgsm1 (>= 1.0.18) but 1.0.13-4+b2 is installed
    Depends: libva2 (>= 2.2.0) which is a virtual package 
and is not provided by any available package


    Depends: libwebpmux3 (>= 0.6.1-2) which is a virtual 
package and is not provided by any available package


 libavutil56 : Depends: libc6 (>= 2.28) but 2.24-11+deb9u4 is installed
   Depends: libva-drm2 (>= 1.1.0) which is a virtual 
package and is not provided by any available package


   Depends: libva-x11-2 (>= 1.0.3) which is a virtual 
package and is not provided by any available package


   Depends: libva2 (>= 1.8.0) which is a virtual package 
and is not provided by any available package


 libavdevice58 : Depends: libc6 (>= 2.28) but 2.24-11+deb9u4 is installed
 Depends: libsdl2-2.0-0 (>= 2.0.9) but it is not going 
to be installed
 libmfx1 : Depends: libva-drm2 (>= 1.1.0) which is a virtual package 
and is not provided by any available package


   Depends: libva-x11-2 (>= 1.0.3) which is a virtual package 
and is not provided by any available package


   Depends: libva2 (>= 1.0.3) which is a virtual package and is 
not provided by any available package


 libbluray2 : Depends: libfontconfig1 (>= 2.12.6) but 2.11.0-6.7+b1 is 
installed

The following actions will resolve these dependencies:

  Keep the following packages at their current version:
1)  ffmpeg [Not Installed]
2)  libass9 [Not Installed]
3)  libavcodec58 [Not Installed]
4)  libavdevice58 [Not Installed]
5)  libavfilter7 [Not Installed]
6)  libavformat58 [Not Installed]
7)  libavresample4 [Not Installed]
8)  libavutil56 [Not Installed]
9)  libbluray2 [Not Installed]
10) libcdio-cdda2 [Not Installed]
11) libcdio-paranoia2 [Not Installed]
12) libcdio19 [Not Installed]
13) libmfx1 [Not Installed]
14) libopenh264-5 [Not Installed]
15) libpostproc55 [Not Installed]
16) librubberband2 [1.8.1-7 (now, oldstable)]
17) libswresample3 [Not Installed]
18) libswscale5 [Not Installed]
19) libvpx6 [Not Installed]
20) libx264-157 [Not Installed]
21) libzimg2 [Not Installed]




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Re: Need help with ffmpeg installation - strange behaviour of my system - am I correct here?

[Greg Wooledge]

On Fri, Jul 09, 2021 at 11:13:47PM +0200, Joerg Kampmann wrote:
> Die folgenden Pakete haben unerfüllte Abhängigkeiten:
>  libavcodec-dev : Hängt ab von: libavcodec58 (= 10:4.1.6-dmo1+deb10u1) soll

There we have it.

You have added a debian-multimedia (dmo) source intended to be used
with Debian 10 (deb10).

This is incompatible with Debian 9.

You'll want to remove the inappropriate sources, as I said in my original
reply.  Then purge any and all packages that contain "deb10" in their
version strings.

That may not cure *everything* but it's a start.

Re: Need help with ffmpeg installation - strange behaviour of my system - am I correct here?

[Joerg Kampmann]

Am 09.07.21 um 22:47 schrieb Stefan Monnier:

2. repair my situation - I cannot go to Debian 10 right now (I posted the
   reason somewhere here - mouse ist awfully slow and jumpy))

You might want to try `aptitude` instead of `apt`: it will try to offer
ways to fix the problem (by removing package).
The solutions it offers can sometimes take a long time to come up
(because it performs a search through a large search tree), and it may
have effects you won't like, so carefully review the solutions proposed.


 Stefan


I think I now know what went wrong - AND I do not know how to revert!!!:


some days ago I did unadvertantly:

root@primergy:/home/joerg# apt-get install \
>  build-essential \
>  cmake \
>  git \
>  libmbedtls-dev \
>  libasound2-dev \
>  libavcodec-dev \ #!!!
>  libavdevice-dev \
>  libavfilter-dev \
>  libavformat-dev \
>  libavutil-dev \
>  libcurl4-openssl-dev \
>  libfdk-aac-dev \
>  libfontconfig-dev \
>  libfreetype6-dev \
>  libglvnd-dev \
>  libjack-jackd2-dev \
>  libjansson-dev \
>  libluajit-5.1-dev \
>  libpulse-dev \
>  libqt5x11extras5-dev \
>  libspeexdsp-dev \
>  libswresample-dev \
>  libswscale-dev \
>  libudev-dev \
>  libv4l-dev \
>  libvlc-dev \
>  libwayland-dev \
>  libx11-dev \
>  libx264-dev \
>  libxcb-shm0-dev \
>  libxcb-xinerama0-dev \
>  libxcomposite-dev \
>  libxinerama-dev \
>  pkg-config \
>  python3-dev \
>  qtbase5-dev \
>  qtbase5-private-dev \
>  libqt5svg5-dev \
>  swig \
>  libxcb-randr0-dev \
>  libxcb-xfixes0-dev \
>  libx11-xcb-dev \
>  libxcb1-dev \
>  libxss-dev \
>  qtwayland5 \
>  libgles2-mesa \
>  libgles2-mesa-dev
Paketlisten werden gelesen... Fertig
Abhängigkeitsbaum wird aufgebaut.
Statusinformationen werden eingelesen Fertig
Hinweis: »libfontconfig1-dev« wird an Stelle von »libfontconfig-dev« 
gewählt.

libgles2-mesa ist schon die neueste Version (13.0.6-1+b2).
libgles2-mesa wurde als manuell installiert festgelegt.
pkg-config ist schon die neueste Version (0.29-4+b1).
pkg-config wurde als manuell installiert festgelegt.
Einige Pakete konnten nicht installiert werden. Das kann bedeuten, dass
Sie eine unmögliche Situation angefordert haben oder, wenn Sie die
Unstable-Distribution verwenden, dass einige erforderliche Pakete noch
nicht erstellt wurden oder Incoming noch nicht verlassen haben.
Die folgenden Informationen helfen Ihnen vielleicht, die Situation zu lösen:

Die folgenden Pakete haben unerfüllte Abhängigkeiten:
 libavcodec-dev : Hängt ab von: libavcodec58 (= 10:4.1.6-dmo1+deb10u1) 
soll aber nicht installiert werden
 libavdevice-dev : Hängt ab von: libavdevice58 (= 
10:4.1.6-dmo1+deb10u1) soll aber nicht installiert werden
   Hängt ab von: libpostproc-dev (>= 
10:4.1.6-dmo1+deb10u1) soll aber nicht installiert werden
   Hängt ab von: libavresample-dev (>= 
10:4.1.6-dmo1+deb10u1) soll aber nicht installiert werden
 libavfilter-dev : Hängt ab von: libavfilter7 (= 10:4.1.6-dmo1+deb10u1) 
soll aber nicht installiert werden
   Hängt ab von: libpostproc-dev (>= 
10:4.1.6-dmo1+deb10u1) soll aber nicht installiert werden
   Hängt ab von: libavresample-dev (>= 
10:4.1.6-dmo1+deb10u1) soll aber nicht installiert werden
 libavformat-dev : Hängt ab von: libavformat58 (= 
10:4.1.6-dmo1+deb10u1) soll aber nicht installiert werden
 libavutil-dev : Hängt ab von: libavutil56 (= 10:4.1.6-dmo1+deb10u1) 
soll aber nicht installiert werden
 libglvnd-dev : Hängt ab von: libegl-dev (>= 1.3.0-1) soll aber nicht 
installiert werden

    Hängt ab von: libgl-dev (>= 1.3.0-1)
    Hängt ab von: libgles-dev (>= 1.3.0-1) soll aber nicht 
installiert werden
    Hängt ab von: libglx-dev (>= 1.3.0-1) soll aber nicht 
installiert werden
 libswresample-dev : Hängt ab von: libswresample3 (= 
10:4.1.6-dmo1+deb10u1) soll aber nicht installiert werden
 libswscale-dev : Hängt ab von: libswscale5 (= 10:4.1.6-dmo1+deb10u1) 
soll aber nicht installiert werden
 libvlc-dev : Hängt ab von: libvlc5 (= 1:3.0.12-dmo0+deb10u2) soll aber 
nicht installiert werden
 libx264-dev : Hängt ab von: libx264-157 (= 
4:0.157.2980+git34c06d1-dmo1+deb10u2) soll aber nicht installiert werden
E: Probleme können nicht korrigiert werden, Sie haben zurückgehaltene 
defekte Pakete.

Re: Need help with ffmpeg installation - strange behaviour of my system - am I correct here?

[Joerg Kampmann]

Am 09.07.21 um 21:44 schrieb Greg Wooledge:

On Fri, Jul 09, 2021 at 09:36:00PM +0200, Kampmann wrote:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
  libavcodec58 : Depends: libavutil56 (>= 10:4.1.6) but it is not going to be
installed
     Depends: libc6 (>= 2.27) but 2.24-11+deb9u4 is to be
installed

This is a really powerful indicator that you've mixed sources which
are either from, or for, different Debian releases.  Or mixed Debian
sources and non-Debian sources.

The "libc6 (>= 2.27)" dependency is identical to the libc6 dependency
on the *buster* (Debian 10) version of libavcodec58.  (Which is a
package that does not even exist in Debian 9.)  So, it looks like you've
either got a buster (Debian 10) source, or you've got some third-party
source that was meant to be used with Debian 10.

You can't use Debian 10 sources on Debian 9.


this really seems to be the clue, however: how do I get

1. information on the installed packages?

2. repair my situation - I cannot go to Debian 10 right now (I posted 
the reason somewhere here - mouse ist awfully slow and jumpy))

Re: Need help with ffmpeg installation - strange behaviour of my system - am I correct here?

[Brian]

On Fri 09 Jul 2021 at 15:40:21 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:

> On Fri, Jul 09, 2021 at 08:37:03PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> > On Fri 09 Jul 2021 at 15:05:20 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > 
> > > On Fri, Jul 09, 2021 at 08:41:17PM +0200, Joerg Kampmann wrote:
> > > > Hello - I tried to install ffmpeg (a normal Debian package) and got some
> > > > strange messages. the ffmpeg-group adviced me to go to a Debian group. I
> > > > hope I am correct here in this group.
> > > > 
> > > > I am running Debian 9 on a Fujitsu TX 100 S1 computer ...
> > > 
> > > This is not the current stable release.  You may wish to *consider*
> > > upgrading, as running older releases tends to be incompatible with
> > > the desire to install recent versions of web browsers, video players,
> > > and other large and complicated packages.
> > 
> > The OP says:
> > 
> >   Hello - I tried to install ffmpeg...
> > 
> > This is on Debian 9. Either it installs or it doesn't. It did for me.
> > 
> > Not being the current release seems neither here nor there.
> 
> We shall see.
> 
> I have a theory that they tried to add buster sources (or
> buster-backports, or some third-party repository meant for buster)
> because they wanted newer stuff than was available in stretch or
> stretch-backports.  Frankendebian ensued.

You can have whatever theory you devised. My statement is rock-solid.

-- 
Brian.
> 

Re: Need help with ffmpeg installation - strange behaviour of my system - am I correct here?

[Greg Wooledge]

On Fri, Jul 09, 2021 at 09:36:00PM +0200, Kampmann wrote:
> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
>  libavcodec58 : Depends: libavutil56 (>= 10:4.1.6) but it is not going to be
> installed
>     Depends: libc6 (>= 2.27) but 2.24-11+deb9u4 is to be
> installed

This is a really powerful indicator that you've mixed sources which
are either from, or for, different Debian releases.  Or mixed Debian
sources and non-Debian sources.

The "libc6 (>= 2.27)" dependency is identical to the libc6 dependency
on the *buster* (Debian 10) version of libavcodec58.  (Which is a
package that does not even exist in Debian 9.)  So, it looks like you've
either got a buster (Debian 10) source, or you've got some third-party
source that was meant to be used with Debian 10.

You can't use Debian 10 sources on Debian 9.

Re: Need help with ffmpeg installation - strange behaviour of my system - am I correct here?

[Kampmann]

Am 09.07.21 um 21:40 schrieb Greg Wooledge:

On Fri, Jul 09, 2021 at 08:37:03PM +0100, Brian wrote:

On Fri 09 Jul 2021 at 15:05:20 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:


On Fri, Jul 09, 2021 at 08:41:17PM +0200, Joerg Kampmann wrote:

Hello - I tried to install ffmpeg (a normal Debian package) and got some
strange messages. the ffmpeg-group adviced me to go to a Debian group. I
hope I am correct here in this group.

I am running Debian 9 on a Fujitsu TX 100 S1 computer ...

This is not the current stable release.  You may wish to *consider*
upgrading, as running older releases tends to be incompatible with
the desire to install recent versions of web browsers, video players,
and other large and complicated packages.

The OP says:

   Hello - I tried to install ffmpeg...

This is on Debian 9. Either it installs or it doesn't. It did for me.

Not being the current release seems neither here nor there.

We shall see.

I have a theory that they tried to add buster sources (or
buster-backports, or some third-party repository meant for buster)
because they wanted newer stuff than was available in stretch or
stretch-backports.  Frankendebian ensued.

Frankendebian???

Re: Need help with ffmpeg installation - strange behaviour of my system - am I correct here?

[Kampmann]

Am 09.07.21 um 21:37 schrieb Brian:

On Fri 09 Jul 2021 at 15:05:20 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:


On Fri, Jul 09, 2021 at 08:41:17PM +0200, Joerg Kampmann wrote:

Hello - I tried to install ffmpeg (a normal Debian package) and got some
strange messages. the ffmpeg-group adviced me to go to a Debian group. I
hope I am correct here in this group.

I am running Debian 9 on a Fujitsu TX 100 S1 computer ...

This is not the current stable release.  You may wish to *consider*
upgrading, as running older releases tends to be incompatible with
the desire to install recent versions of web browsers, video players,
and other large and complicated packages.
yes I know, however I am running a rather old machine (TX 100 S1 from 
Fujitsu) and already tried to install Debian 10 which made my 
mouse-pointer awfully slow and "jumpy" ... therefore I stay with Debian 
9 - however I try moving with the Debian 10 - trial-disk - but at a 
later time in August ...

The OP says:

   Hello - I tried to install ffmpeg...

This is on Debian 9. Either it installs or it doesn't. It did for me.

Not being the current release seems neither here nor there.


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Re: Need help with ffmpeg installation - strange behaviour of my system - am I correct here?

[Greg Wooledge]

On Fri, Jul 09, 2021 at 08:37:03PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> On Fri 09 Jul 2021 at 15:05:20 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, Jul 09, 2021 at 08:41:17PM +0200, Joerg Kampmann wrote:
> > > Hello - I tried to install ffmpeg (a normal Debian package) and got some
> > > strange messages. the ffmpeg-group adviced me to go to a Debian group. I
> > > hope I am correct here in this group.
> > > 
> > > I am running Debian 9 on a Fujitsu TX 100 S1 computer ...
> > 
> > This is not the current stable release.  You may wish to *consider*
> > upgrading, as running older releases tends to be incompatible with
> > the desire to install recent versions of web browsers, video players,
> > and other large and complicated packages.
> 
> The OP says:
> 
>   Hello - I tried to install ffmpeg...
> 
> This is on Debian 9. Either it installs or it doesn't. It did for me.
> 
> Not being the current release seems neither here nor there.

We shall see.

I have a theory that they tried to add buster sources (or
buster-backports, or some third-party repository meant for buster)
because they wanted newer stuff than was available in stretch or
stretch-backports.  Frankendebian ensued.

Re: Need help with ffmpeg installation - strange behaviour of my system - am I correct here?

[Brian]

On Fri 09 Jul 2021 at 15:05:20 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:

> On Fri, Jul 09, 2021 at 08:41:17PM +0200, Joerg Kampmann wrote:
> > Hello - I tried to install ffmpeg (a normal Debian package) and got some
> > strange messages. the ffmpeg-group adviced me to go to a Debian group. I
> > hope I am correct here in this group.
> > 
> > I am running Debian 9 on a Fujitsu TX 100 S1 computer ...
> 
> This is not the current stable release.  You may wish to *consider*
> upgrading, as running older releases tends to be incompatible with
> the desire to install recent versions of web browsers, video players,
> and other large and complicated packages.

The OP says:

  Hello - I tried to install ffmpeg...

This is on Debian 9. Either it installs or it doesn't. It did for me.

Not being the current release seems neither here nor there.

-- 
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Re: Need help with ffmpeg installation - strange behaviour of my system - am I correct here?

[Kampmann]

Ok, thanks - here we go :) :

(base) joerg@primergy:~$ su
Passwort:
root@primergy:/home/joerg# export LANG=en_US.utf8
root@primergy:/home/joerg# apt install ffmpeg
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
 ffmpeg : Depends: libavcodec58 (>= 10:4.1.6) but it is not going to be 
installed
  Depends: libavdevice58 (>= 10:4.1.6) but it is not going to 
be installed
  Depends: libavfilter7 (>= 10:4.1.6) but it is not going to be 
installed
  Depends: libavformat58 (>= 10:4.1.6) but it is not going to 
be installed
  Depends: libavresample4 (>= 10:4.1.6) but it is not going to 
be installed
  Depends: libavutil56 (>= 10:4.1.6) but it is not going to be 
installed
  Depends: libpostproc55 (>= 10:4.1.6) but it is not going to 
be installed
  Depends: libswresample3 (>= 10:4.1.6) but it is not going to 
be installed
  Depends: libswscale5 (>= 10:4.1.6) but it is not going to be 
installed

E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
root@primergy:/home/joerg# apt install libavcodec58
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
 libavcodec58 : Depends: libavutil56 (>= 10:4.1.6) but it is not going 
to be installed
    Depends: libc6 (>= 2.27) but 2.24-11+deb9u4 is to be 
installed

    Depends: libcodec2-0.8.1 but it is not installable
    Depends: libgsm1 (>= 1.0.18) but 1.0.13-4+b2 is to be 
installed   --- this is completely non-understandable

    Depends: libmfx1 but it is not going to be installed
    Depends: libopenh264-5 (>= 2.0.0) but it is not going 
to be installed
    Depends: libswresample3 (>= 10:4.1.6) but it is not 
going to be installed

    Depends: libva2 (>= 2.2.0) but it is not installable
   --- this is completely non-understandable    Depends: 
libvpx6 (>= 1.8.1) but it is not going to be installed

    Depends: libwebpmux3 (>= 0.6.1-2) but it is not installable
    Depends: libx264-157 (>= 4:0.157.2980+git34c06d1) but 
it is not going to be installed

E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
root@primergy:/home/joerg#

Am 09.07.21 um 21:14 schrieb Anssi Saari:

Joerg Kampmann  writes:


Hello group I wanted to install ffmpeg under Debian 9 and got some 
errormessages (in German):

How about errormessages not in German? LANG=en_US.utf8 apt install ffmpeg?


  ffmpeg : Hängt ab von: libavcodec58 (>= 10:4.1.6) soll aber nicht
installiert werden

https://packages.debian.org/stretch/ffmpeg says ffmpeg in Stretch
depends on libavcodec57, not 58. Could it be you've configured Debian
Multimedia repository for Debian 10 for your Debian 9 system?


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Re: Need help with ffmpeg installation - strange behaviour of my system - am I correct here?

[Anssi Saari]

Joerg Kampmann  writes:

> Hello group I wanted to install ffmpeg under Debian 9 and got some 
> errormessages (in German): 

How about errormessages not in German? LANG=en_US.utf8 apt install ffmpeg?

>  ffmpeg : Hängt ab von: libavcodec58 (>= 10:4.1.6) soll aber nicht
> installiert werden

https://packages.debian.org/stretch/ffmpeg says ffmpeg in Stretch
depends on libavcodec57, not 58. Could it be you've configured Debian
Multimedia repository for Debian 10 for your Debian 9 system?

Re: Need help with ffmpeg installation - strange behaviour of my system - am I correct here?

[Kampmann]

Am 09.07.21 um 21:04 schrieb Brian:

On Fri 09 Jul 2021 at 20:41:17 +0200, Joerg Kampmann wrote:


Hello - I tried to install ffmpeg (a normal Debian package) and got some
strange messages. the ffmpeg-group adviced me to go to a Debian group. I
hope I am correct here in this group.

You have kept these "strange" meaages secret. How could anyone work
out what is going on?
I am sorry - however I posted a rather long "strange" stuff here. I 
evidently disappeared :) - can you explain that?

I am running Debian 9 on a Fujitsu TX 100 S1 computer ...

ffmpeg is known to be installable on Debian 9.


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Re: Need help with ffmpeg installation - strange behaviour of my system - am I correct here?

[Greg Wooledge]

On Fri, Jul 09, 2021 at 08:41:17PM +0200, Joerg Kampmann wrote:
> Hello - I tried to install ffmpeg (a normal Debian package) and got some
> strange messages. the ffmpeg-group adviced me to go to a Debian group. I
> hope I am correct here in this group.
> 
> I am running Debian 9 on a Fujitsu TX 100 S1 computer ...

This is not the current stable release.  You may wish to *consider*
upgrading, as running older releases tends to be incompatible with
the desire to install recent versions of web browsers, video players,
and other large and complicated packages.

> /Hello group I wanted to install ffmpeg under Debian 9 and got some
> errormessages (in German):

For the purpose of posting to debian-user, you may wish to switch your
locale temporarily to English.  Since you're using a shell with root
privileges, the simplest way would probably be to run the command

export LANG=C

before your apt commands.  The LANG setting will go away when you exit
from the root shell.

> root@primergy:~# apt install ffmpeg
> Paketlisten werden gelesen... Fertig
> Abhängigkeitsbaum wird aufgebaut.
> Statusinformationen werden eingelesen Fertig
> Einige Pakete konnten nicht installiert werden. Das kann bedeuten, dass
> Sie eine unmögliche Situation angefordert haben oder, wenn Sie die
> Unstable-Distribution verwenden, dass einige erforderliche Pakete noch
> nicht erstellt wurden oder Incoming noch nicht verlassen haben.
> Die folgenden Informationen helfen Ihnen vielleicht, die Situation zu lösen:
> 
> Die folgenden Pakete haben unerfüllte Abhängigkeiten:
>  ffmpeg : Hängt ab von: libavcodec58 (>= 10:4.1.6) soll aber nicht
> installiert werden
>   Hängt ab von: libavdevice58 (>= 10:4.1.6) soll aber nicht
> installiert werden
>   Hängt ab von: libavfilter7 (>= 10:4.1.6) soll aber nicht
> installiert werden
>   Hängt ab von: libavformat58 (>= 10:4.1.6) soll aber nicht
> installiert werden
>   Hängt ab von: libavresample4 (>= 10:4.1.6) soll aber nicht
> installiert werden
>   Hängt ab von: libavutil56 (>= 10:4.1.6) soll aber nicht
> installiert werden
>   Hängt ab von: libpostproc55 (>= 10:4.1.6) soll aber nicht
> installiert werden
>   Hängt ab von: libswresample3 (>= 10:4.1.6) soll aber nicht
> installiert werden
>   Hängt ab von: libswscale5 (>= 10:4.1.6) soll aber nicht
> installiert werden
> E: Probleme können nicht korrigiert werden, Sie haben zurückgehaltene
> defekte Pakete.

These dependencies are *not* correct for a Debian 9 installation.

According to  the dependencies
should be   libavcodec57 (>= 7:3.2.14)   and so on.

This means you've probably got repositories other than the stretch
(Debian 9) sources, and these are causing a conflict.

If this were my system, I would first remove all of the non-Debian-9
sources and run "apt-get update".  If ffmpeg still can't be installed
after that, then it's possible you have already installed some of the
dependencies from non-Debian-9 sources, and you may need to remove
those.  This could cascade into a full disaster if you're unlucky.  This
is why we normally recommend against mixing sources from multiple Debian
versions, or using sketchy outside sources.

Re: Need help with ffmpeg installation - strange behaviour of my system - am I correct here?

[Brian]

On Fri 09 Jul 2021 at 20:41:17 +0200, Joerg Kampmann wrote:

> Hello - I tried to install ffmpeg (a normal Debian package) and got some
> strange messages. the ffmpeg-group adviced me to go to a Debian group. I
> hope I am correct here in this group.

You have kept these "strange" meaages secret. How could anyone work
out what is going on?

> I am running Debian 9 on a Fujitsu TX 100 S1 computer ...

ffmpeg is known to be installable on Debian 9.

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Re: need help on playing m3u8 file with mplayer

[Dan Ritter]

Long Wind wrote: 
> m3u8 file include a line below
> #EXT-X-KEY:METHOD=AES-128,URI="https://ts-qsg.qinbuyan666.com/20210511/Ql6iBJVB/1100kb/hls/key.key;
> 
> i want to change it to local file:
> #EXT-X-KEY:METHOD=AES-128,URI="file:///home/zhou/key.key"
> it doesn't work, mplayer complains: 
> 
> [hls,applehttp @ 0xb7791e20]Filename extension of 'file:///home/zhou/key.key' 
> is not a common multimedia extension, blocked for security reasons.
> If you wish to override this adjust allowed_extensions, you can set it to 
> 'ALL' to allow all
> Unable to open key file file:///home/zhou/key.key
> 
> how to solve it?? Thanks!

It says it is an AES-128 encryption key, not a piece of
media.

-dsr-

Re: Need help finding the right package under which to report a bug

[Sven Joachim]

On 2021-04-18 12:31 +0800, Robbi Nespu wrote:

> A quick or temporary solution are to git clone
> https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git
> and copy thus selection (warning line) of missing modules to
> /lib/firmware/amdgpu/
>
> (Don't try my solution if you are novice).

I would rather live with the warnings unless I actually had a GPU which
needs this firmware.  Don't know if you can actually buy these yet.

> Look like the bug are the 5.10.0-6-amd64 kernel.

No, it is in the firmware-amd-graphics package.  A bug report against
this package could help to remind the maintainers that they should
include the arcturus firmware in future uploads.

Cheers,
   Sven

Re: Need help finding the right package under which to report a bug

[Robbi Nespu]

On 4/18/21 12:31 PM, Robbi Nespu wrote:



I hope my guess is right. It on recently added on kernel up stream, I 
can see the log here


https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git/log/amdgpu


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Re: Need help finding the right package under which to report a bug

[Robbi Nespu]

Hello

On 4/18/21 10:08 AM, Joshua Brickel wrote:
I am using bullseye and when I perform an update (apt-get dist-upgrade)  
to the system I get get the following messages.  I'm not sure if this is 
an intramfs-tools issue or a firmware-amd-graphics issue.  I have the 
latest version firmware/lib/firmware/-amd-graphics installed.


Processing triggers for initramfs-tools (0.140) ...
update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-5.10.0-6-amd64
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/arcturus_gpu_info.bin 
for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/navy_flounder_ta.bin 
for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/navy_flounder_sos.bin 
for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/fJoshua Brickelirmware/amdgpu/arcturus_ta.bin for 
module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/arcturus_asd.bin for 
module amdgpuJoshua Brickel
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/arcturus_sos.bin for 
module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/arcturus_rlc.bin for 
module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/arcturus_mec2.bin for 
module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/arcturus_mec.bin for 
module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/navy_flounder_rlc.bin 
for module amdgpuJoshua Brickel
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/navy_flounder_mec2.bin 
for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/navy_flounder_mec.bin 
for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/navy_flounder_me.bin 
for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/navy_flounder_pfp.bin 
for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/navy_flounder_ce.bin 
for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/arcturus_sdma.bin for 
module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmwaJoshua Brickelre/amdgpu/navy_flounder_sdma.bin 
for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/sienna_cichlid_mes.bin 
for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/navi10_mes.bin for 
module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/navy_flounder_vcn.bin 
for module amdgpuJoshua Brickel
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/arcturus_vcn.bin for 
module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/navy_floundtheer_smc.bin 
for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/arcturus_smc.bin for 
module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware 
/lib/firmware/amdgpu/navy_flounder_dmcub.bin for module amdgpu




I hope my guess is right. It on recently added on kernel up stream, I 
can see the log here


A quick or temporary solution are to git clone 
https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git 
and copy thus selection (warning line) of missing modules to 
/lib/firmware/amdgpu/


(Don't try my solution if you are novice).

Look like the bug are the 5.10.0-6-amd64 kernel.

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Re: Need Help

[David Christensen]

On 2021-02-10 13:48, David Christensen wrote:

On 09.02.2021 20:46, griffin...@verizon.net wrote:

Please see attached.


If the attachment is, say, 20 kB (8 pages) or less, please post.  If 
larger, please post the most relevant portions and provide a public URL 
for the rest.


I found the content (it was in the Junk folder):

System was working properly.  Then on start-up it ended up with
a screen showing  (initfamfs  --  Enter  'help' for a list of
built-in commands).  Also Run fsck  MANUALLY without  -a  or  -p
options.
How do I get into util-linux 2.33.1 to run  fsck  ??
Please let me know how to proceed to get the system running.


What is the make and model of the computer?  What options -- CPU, 
memory, drive(s)?  Please provide a URL to the manufacturer support page.



Do you remember the major version number of Debian -- e.g. 10, 9, 8, etc.?


Do you still have the installation media (CD, USB flash drive) used to 
install Debian onto that computer?



David

Re: Need Help

[David Christensen]

On 09.02.2021 20:46, griffin...@verizon.net wrote:

Please see attached.


If the attachment is, say, 20 kB (8 pages) or less, please post.  If 
larger, please post the most relevant portions and provide a public URL 
for the rest.



David

Re: Need Help

[Alexander V. Makartsev]

On 09.02.2021 20:46, griffin...@verizon.net wrote:

Please see attached.

Have you done something to the system prior to its failure?
Could you send more information about this system? Is it laptop or a 
stationary PC? Does it uses RAID? Is it "Buster" (Current Stable branch) 
installation?
Due to lack of information it could be hazardous to your data to run 
"fsck" blindly without getting any knowledge about root cause for the 
failure.
It is highly recommended to backup your data from the system before 
attempting any recovery procedures.


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Re: Need help -- Virtual Machine Manager

[Fabien Roucaute]

Le 05/09/2020 à 19:27, Dennis Wicks a écrit :

> Yes, everything is in the same box/host. I need to know how to mount a
> physical CD!
> TNX!
> 

You go in the menu View-> details-> CD-ROM, and then you select the
physical drive in the list (usually /dev/sr0)

Re: Need help -- Virtual Machine Manager

[Dennis Wicks]

Fabien Roucaute wrote on 9/5/20 1:40 AM:

Le 05/09/2020 à 01:57, Dennis Wicks a écrit :

I'm running Win10 with Virtual Machine Manager on Deb 10.4. How to I
attach my CD drive to Win10 so I can install some software?

Many TIA!
Dennis



Either the ISO or the CD-ROM need to be on the host. If KVM/libvirt
doesn't run on the machine running Virtual Machine Manager, you need to
create a pool for the ISO and upload the ISO there or to insert cd-rom
in the host CD drive.




Yes, everything is in the same box/host. I need to know how 
to mount a physical CD!

TNX!

Re: Need help -- Virtual Machine Manager

[Fabien Roucaute]

Le 05/09/2020 à 01:57, Dennis Wicks a écrit :
> I'm running Win10 with Virtual Machine Manager on Deb 10.4. How to I
> attach my CD drive to Win10 so I can install some software?
> 
> Many TIA!
> Dennis
> 

Either the ISO or the CD-ROM need to be on the host. If KVM/libvirt
doesn't run on the machine running Virtual Machine Manager, you need to
create a pool for the ISO and upload the ISO there or to insert cd-rom
in the host CD drive.

Re: Need help with PATH variable (i3/debian buster)

[tomas]

On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 08:46:24AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 11:56:27AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > Sigh. It /used/ to be simple.
> 
> Honestly, it never was [...]

C'm on. At least there was a finite set back then. These days, the
set is infinite, or at least its cardinality is in the realm where
Peano arithmetic isn't contradiction-free anymore ;-P

Cheers
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Re: Need help with PATH variable (i3/debian buster)

[Klaus Singvogel]

Greg Wooledge wrote:
> Every type of login follows a completely different set of steps for
> configuring your environment.  Reconciling these and achieving a uniform
> environment across all possible login types is *extremely* difficult,
> if not impossible.

It's more or less a layer model with different entry points into different
layers.

A GUI login performs a login type with more graphical features. Therefore,
when starting a shell is a subprocess of an already performed login, and a
.*login isn't required anymore.

Login on console instead executes the login shell.

Same is for a remote login like SSH (and for the old men: rsh).

And: a .profile (or .rc) is always executed, as it isn't related to
the circumstance, if it's a login process or a subprocess of a login.

Note: I'm starting a tcsh not a bash as my (login) shell. Therefore I'm
writing the file names in a more abstract way to fit for both.

Regards,
Klaus.
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Re: Need help with PATH variable (i3/debian buster)

[Greg Wooledge]

On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 11:56:27AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> Sigh. It /used/ to be simple.

Honestly, it never was.  Even in the old days, users had different login
shell options, so if you wanted a consistent environment for csh and sh
users, for example, you had to write two different sets of changes.  And
then there were xdm logins, and remote shell logins, and so on.

Re: Need help with PATH variable (i3/debian buster)

[Greg Wooledge]

On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 11:21:54AM +0200, Benedikt Tuchen wrote:
> When I use no display manager like lightdm, I start i3 via startx in
> the console. If I do this dmenu and rofi are using my personal $PATH
> variable. For example it includes "$HOME/.local/bin". But when I
> use a display manager, dmenu and rofi do no longer have my personal
> $PATH entries. How can I change this behavior?

Every type of login follows a completely different set of steps for
configuring your environment.  Reconciling these and achieving a uniform
environment across all possible login types is *extremely* difficult,
if not impossible.

With a console login, your session consists of a login shell, with some
variables pre-populated by the login program, and by PAM.  The login
shell then reads various configuration files (in the case of bash, these
include /etc/profile and ~/.profile or possibly others; for other shells,
other files are read).

With a "regular" Display Manager login (lightdm, xdm, and so on), your
session is *not* a login shell, nor does it ever at any time include
a login shell, so files like /etc/profile and ~/.profile are never read.
At all.

With a GNOME (gdm3) login, you have *two* different session types: Wayland
or X11.  When gdm3 runs an X11 session, it's similar to the "regular" DM
from the previous paragraph.  However, when it runs a Wayland session,
a whole different set of configs is used.  I've never run Wayland in my
life, but people have said that the Debian Wayland session reads login
shell config files.  I don't know whether that's true, or which shell is
reading them, at what time, or anything.  You'll have to figure that out.

But you said lightdm and i3, not GNOME.  So we can skip all of the GNOME
horror for now.  And please believe me, there are *more* layers of GNOME
horror that I'm omitting here.  It's so much worse than you thought.

A lightdm login running a standard Debian X session reads one additional
file that is unique to Debian: ~/.xsessionrc .  You can configure
environment variables like PATH here, and they will be read and respected
by anything that runs a standard Debian X session.

See also .


Now, after all of that, you still need to consider what your Desktop
Environment does to your environment.  You may go through all of these
steps to set your environment *just* how you like it, only to find out
that in the end, your DE takes over, wipes out some variables, and
changes others.

I suspect i3 is much more traditional and hands-off about it, but I've
never used i3, so I can't say for sure.  You may be totally fine with
just the knowledge contained in this post.  But if you find that some
variables work and others simply do not, it might be because i3 is
resetting them.  It's just a thing to keep in mind.

Re: Need help with PATH variable (i3/debian buster)

[tomas]

On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 11:21:54AM +0200, Benedikt Tuchen wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I got some strange behavior with my PATH variable and maybe somebody
> here can help me with this.
> 
> When I use no display manager like lightdm, I start i3 via startx in
> the console. If I do this dmenu and rofi are using my personal $PATH
> variable. For example it includes "$HOME/.local/bin". But when I
> use a display manager, dmenu and rofi do no longer have my personal
> $PATH entries. How can I change this behavior?
> 
> I've tried to find a solution for this but didn't found one. Maybe
> someone here know exactly what to do.

The short (but sometimes inaccurate) answer: ~/.xsession --  this is
(very roughly) the X Session equivalent to your ~/.profile and its
ilk.

The longer answer: man Xsession (5). Depending on whether you use a
desktop environment (and on how badly it has brutalised your X setup),
you'll have to find out what is missing where.

Look around /etc/X11/Xsession.options and /etc/X11/Xsession.d/* --
there is the machinery which decides whether and how to load your
personal X session stuff in ~/.xsession.

Sigh. It /used/ to be simple.

Cheers
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Re: Need help with debugging Apache on Debian 10.2

[Angela Korra'ti]

The PHP issues were primarily involved with Wordpress plugins. I had to go 
through and find several that were not compatible with PHP 7. I _think_ I found 
and fixed all of those, but it’s certainly possible that the issue might be 
caused by a bad plugin.

But I don’t know for sure. I’ve tried digging through Apache’s error.log and 
have not found any more obvious error messages to point me at things that need 
fixing.

I’ve tried uninstalling and reinstalling PHP, on the theory that I may have 
confused it by making the jump not only through multiple versions of Debian, 
but also multiple versions of PHP. And yes, I have the PHP mod active in 
Apache. 

Re: getting a core dump… that’s the part I need help with. I did get the 
debugger installed but I am not experienced with how to use it in a way that’d 
let me actually get useful data. 

The big blocking problem would seem to be that I don’t actually know what’s 
causing the problem, so I can’t trigger it on purpose. So it would seem that 
I’d need to run Apache with the debugger somehow in the hope that I’d actually 
catch the problem when it happens? But I don’t know how to do that either.

> On Jan 17, 2020, at 9:12 PM,   wrote:
> 
> I'd look first into that PHP part (I'm assuming you're running
> mod_php, so it's in the Apache binary, and a crash in PHP would
> crash the server, too).
> 
> Which kind of problems did you have with PHP?
> 
> Any possibility of getting a core dump you can look into with
> the debugger?
> 
> (Sorry for not looking at your web site -- bad connectivity
> at the moment),
> 
> Cheers
> -- tomás

Re: Need help with debugging Apache on Debian 10.2

[tomas]

On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 08:38:18PM -0800, Angela Korra'ti wrote:
> Yes we did, we did the upgrade in two distinct stages.
> We did run into roadblocks as we went, but those were
> mostly around PHP incompatibilities that we had to
> address to bring our sites back up.

I'd look first into that PHP part (I'm assuming you're running
mod_php, so it's in the Apache binary, and a crash in PHP would
crash the server, too).

Which kind of problems did you have with PHP?

Any possibility of getting a core dump you can look into with
the debugger?

(Sorry for not looking at your web site -- bad connectivity
at the moment),

Cheers
-- tomás


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Re: Need help with debugging Apache on Debian 10.2

[Angela Korra'ti]

P.S. Confirmed that systemctl reload apache2.service throws no errors.

> On Jan 17, 2020, at 8:38 PM, Angela Korra'ti  
> wrote:
> 
> Yes we did, we did the upgrade in two distinct stages. We did run into 
> roadblocks as we went, but those were mostly around PHP incompatibilities 
> that we had to address to bring our sites back up.
> 
> I’m _pretty_ sure we don’t have any config incompatibilities in Apache… 
> because yeah, Apache does in fact run. But I’ll doublecheck if the reload 
> command you’re asking about throws any actual errors.
> 
> And perhaps a config inspection of our Apache install is called for. We’ve 
> got not only the main config file, but several supplementary ones for the 
> various domains we host as well.
> 
>> On Jan 17, 2020, at 4:43 PM, Dan Ritter  wrote:
>> 
>> Did you upgrade to 9 in between? 
>> 
>> 8 had apache 2.2, and a bunch of config things changed from 2.2
>> to 2.4.  That usually shows up in apache failing to start,
>> though.
>> 
>> Does 
>> 
>> systemctl reload apache2.service
>> 
>> cause an error?
>> 
>> Worst case: if things are massively unstable, you might copy all the
>> data off elsewhere, re-install Debian 10 from scratch, and then bring
>> the data back in.
>> 
>> -dsr-
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> https://randomstring.org/~dsr/eula.html is hereby incorporated by reference.
>>   there is no justice, there is just us.
> 

Re: Need help with debugging Apache on Debian 10.2

[Angela Korra'ti]

Yes we did, we did the upgrade in two distinct stages. We did run into 
roadblocks as we went, but those were mostly around PHP incompatibilities that 
we had to address to bring our sites back up.

I’m _pretty_ sure we don’t have any config incompatibilities in Apache… because 
yeah, Apache does in fact run. But I’ll doublecheck if the reload command 
you’re asking about throws any actual errors.

And perhaps a config inspection of our Apache install is called for. We’ve got 
not only the main config file, but several supplementary ones for the various 
domains we host as well.

> On Jan 17, 2020, at 4:43 PM, Dan Ritter  wrote:
> 
> Did you upgrade to 9 in between? 
> 
> 8 had apache 2.2, and a bunch of config things changed from 2.2
> to 2.4.  That usually shows up in apache failing to start,
> though.
> 
> Does 
> 
> systemctl reload apache2.service
> 
> cause an error?
> 
> Worst case: if things are massively unstable, you might copy all the
> data off elsewhere, re-install Debian 10 from scratch, and then bring
> the data back in.
> 
> -dsr-
> 
> 
> -- 
> https://randomstring.org/~dsr/eula.html is hereby incorporated by reference.
>there is no justice, there is just us.

Re: Need help with debugging Apache on Debian 10.2

[Dan Ritter]

Angela Korra???ti wrote: 
> However, as of when we updated to Debian 10.2, we started having recurring 
> issues with Apache throwing segmentation faults that resulted in all 
> PHP-based sites (notably, the Wordpress ones) throwing 503 errors from 
> varnish.
> 
> https://angelahighland.info/2020/01/12/need-help-with-debian-web-server-debugging/
> 
> To what I wrote in that post, I can add that we???ve also kept the server up 
> to date with security and other updates, and it???s been rebooted a couple of 
> times since the big upgrade to Debian 10. (We were previously on version 8.)

Did you upgrade to 9 in between? 

8 had apache 2.2, and a bunch of config things changed from 2.2
to 2.4.  That usually shows up in apache failing to start,
though.

Does 

systemctl reload apache2.service

cause an error?

Worst case: if things are massively unstable, you might copy all the
data off elsewhere, re-install Debian 10 from scratch, and then bring
the data back in.

-dsr-


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Re: Need help about development of your distributions.

[Jonathan Dowland]

On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 03:02:52AM +, Ale Frataslafra wrote:

Hello, I'm Alexandria F., I'm a software developer, i have all versions
of your distributions of debian jessie and
stretch(gnome,kde,xfce,cinnamon,lxde) downloaded, but im start in
contact with you because i have some questions about debian live cd,
for be specific(Jessie 8.0.0), my questions are:

1. It's posibly to boot a debian live cd from a raw disk (.img) with
ext2 or ext3 or ext4 format with grub2, not in a iso9660 file?

snip

Maybe you want to know why i need it?, this is the answer: Im working
in a custom livecd of debian, and i need save more time in the
debugging of the livecd, requires minus time and minus resources, the
replacement of the filesystem.squashfs inside a .img ext4 than replace
a iso9660 .iso file, and even sometimes the modifying of the .iso file
can damage the filesystem.


It might be worth talking to one of the Debian Live developers to see
whether they have a useful workflow to recommend. One such developer is
Jonathan Carter , but you may also consider
contacting the  mailing list.


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✎	 j...@debian.org 
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Re: Need help analyzing (kernel?) memory usage and reclaiming RAM (Debian Stretch)

[Martin Schwarz]

On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 04:39:32PM +0200, Peter Wiersig wrote:
>rss RSS   resident set size, the non-swapped physical 
> memory that a task has used (in kiloBytes).
>  (alias rssize, rsz).
> ...
>vsz VSZ   virtual memory size of the process in KiB 
> (1024-byte units).  Device mappings are currently
>  excluded; this is subject to change. (alias 
> vsize)."""
> 

Thanks for pointing out the difference. However, in this case I'm trying
to find out what consumes RAM specifically, not virtual memory in
general. Besides, from all I can see, the high memory usage is NOT
caused user space processes. So the output from ps was just to show that
even though some hundred MB of RAM (!) are used, just some few MB are
consumed by processes.

Kind regards
Martin

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Re: Need help analyzing (kernel?) memory usage and reclaiming RAM (Debian Stretch)

[Reco]

On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 01:14:36AM +0200, Peter Wiersig wrote:
> Reco  writes:
> 
> Hi Reco,
> 
> > On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 04:39:32PM +0200, Peter Wiersig wrote:
> >> VSZ is the Virtual Memory Size. (...),
> >>including memory that is swapped out,
> >> memory that is allocated, but not used,
>   
> >> and memory that is from shared libraries.""
> >
> > Given this:
> >
> > == cut ==
> >
> > One can expect the process to "consume" 4Gb of VSZ, and about 700kb of
> > RSS.
> >
> > Do you really suggest to treat all this VSZ as a "used memory"? A hint -
> > compile the sample, run it a hundred times.
> 
> No, but that is all in the explanation above albeit tersely. I
> underlined the part which comes into play with your example code.

That was the whole point. If it's allocated, but ain't used - one should
not account it.


> If Martin wants to find out what's using his memory during timespans
> with degraded performance, it will not be helpful to list the processes
> and sort by thenot swapped amount.

To quote the original e-mail:

root@rad-m2m-srv02:~# free -thwl
  totalusedfree  shared buffers cache   
available
Mem:   987M910M 59M  0B704K 16M 
13M
Low:   987M927M 59M
High:0B  0B  0B
Swap:  2,0G345M1,7G
Total: 3,0G1,2G1,7G

root@rad-m2m-srv02:~# smem -uktr
User Count Swap  USS  PSS  RSS
root39   332.8M10.4M12.4M44.7M
msch 6 7.0M0   607.0K 8.3M
_chrony  1   360.0K 4.0K20.0K   572.0K
messagebus 1   580.0K 4.0K17.0K   480.0K
postfix  2 1.6M013.0K   568.0K
daemon   1   208.0K 4.0K 6.0K72.0K
---
50   342.5M10.4M13.0M54.7M

A host has 1Gb of RAM and 3Gb swap.
Both "free" and "/proc/meminfo" show that there's no free memory left.
"smem" output shows us that this memory ain't used by userspace.
The question was - where all this memory has gone?


> If the system is thrashing due to swapping in and out, I always look
> at the VSZ values to find out where I should direct my attention to.

Thanks for sharing. In this particular case, swapping is a consequence,
not a root cause.
But, just in case, how exactly your method is superior to "top -o SWAP"?

Reco

Re: Need help analyzing (kernel?) memory usage and reclaiming RAM (Debian Stretch)

[Peter Wiersig]

Martin Schwarz  writes:
>
> Here's the output from some commands I hope to be helpful:
>
> The machine in this example is a RADIUS server but has not even gone
> productive ... no incoming client requests yet.  (But the problem is not
> related to the RADIUS server software - OSC Radiator - since the same
> symptoms show on different machines: not only RADIUS servers but also
> nameservers, shell servers or jumphosts, etc.)
>
> [values while the problem persists:]
...
> USER   PID %CPU %MEMVSZ   RSS TTY  STAT START   TIME COMMAND
> root 34718 12.0  0.5  29596  5672 ?D09:01   0:00 
> /usr/bin/python3 -Es /usr/bin/lsb_release --short --description
> root 26491  3.1  0.2  79328  2860 ?D08:04   1:50 apt-get 
> update -qq
> root 32551  6.8  0.2 119036  2800 ?D08:51   0:43 
> /usr/bin/python3 /usr/bin/unattended-upgrade

Disable this, do your upgrades by some schedule for the duration in
which you're debugging this problem.  Think about system orchestration
tools with push mechanisms if you want to minimize RAM allocated to
VMs.  We're thinking about deploying ansible for patch management.

> root 12792  2.2  0.1 159720  1748 ?D06:06   3:54 
> /usr/bin/perl -w /usr/bin/apt-show-versions -i
> root 15502  2.4  0.1 167660  1608 ?D06:25   3:51 
> /usr/bin/perl -w /usr/bin/apt-show-versions -i

Do they need to run on 6:06 and then parallel at 6:25?  What's their
process tree calling structure, ie. what's starting them?

> root 34527  1.7  0.1  14096  1596 ?Ss   09:01   0:00 /bin/bash 
> /usr/bin/check_mk_agent

Can you show a zoomed image of the memory graph prior to a problem?  And
a load graph of the same duration?

I had some webservers which were also prone to death spiraling, the only
real solution was to throw RAM at them until they were able to process
the requests and to optimize the database indices to speed up the time
spent fetching and sorting rows.

Peter

Re: Need help analyzing (kernel?) memory usage and reclaiming RAM (Debian Stretch)

[Peter Wiersig]

Reco  writes:

Hi Reco,

> On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 04:39:32PM +0200, Peter Wiersig wrote:
>> VSZ is the Virtual Memory Size. (...),
>>including memory that is swapped out,
>> memory that is allocated, but not used,
  
>> and memory that is from shared libraries.""
>
> Given this:
>
> == cut ==
>
> One can expect the process to "consume" 4Gb of VSZ, and about 700kb of
> RSS.
>
> Do you really suggest to treat all this VSZ as a "used memory"? A hint -
> compile the sample, run it a hundred times.

No, but that is all in the explanation above albeit tersely. I
underlined the part which comes into play with your example code.

If Martin wants to find out what's using his memory during timespans
with degraded performance, it will not be helpful to list the processes
and sort by thenot swapped amount.  If the system is thrashing due to
swapping in and out, I always look at the VSZ values to find out where I
should direct my attention to.

If Martin or if you want, I can explode the the previous sentence about
what VSZ is but you'd probably find better answers if you read about
that.

Feel free to ask, I think I can explain more, but not better than
stackexchange answers or for example LWN kernel article series.

Have fun,
Peter

Re: Need help analyzing (kernel?) memory usage and reclaiming RAM (Debian Stretch)

[Reco]

Hi.

On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 04:39:32PM +0200, Peter Wiersig wrote:
> VSZ is the Virtual Memory Size. It includes all memory that the process
> can access, including memory that is swapped out, memory that is
> allocated, but not used, and memory that is from shared libraries.""

Given this:

== cut ==

#include 
#include 

void main(void)
{
char* a = malloc(4l*1024l*1024l*1024l);
sleep(1200);
}

== cut ==

One can expect the process to "consume" 4Gb of VSZ, and about 700kb of
RSS.

Do you really suggest to treat all this VSZ as a "used memory"? A hint -
compile the sample, run it a hundred times.

Reco

Re: Need help analyzing (kernel?) memory usage and reclaiming RAM (Debian Stretch)

[Peter Wiersig]

Martin Schwarz  writes:
> root@rad-m2m-srv02:~# ps aux --sort=-rss | head -15

you're choosing the wrong sort field to debug your problem here:
man ps:
"""
   rss RSS   resident set size, the non-swapped physical memory 
that a task has used (in kiloBytes).
 (alias rssize, rsz).
...
   vsz VSZ   virtual memory size of the process in KiB 
(1024-byte units).  Device mappings are currently
 excluded; this is subject to change. (alias 
vsize)."""

try the latter field if the problem is repeating.  VSZ can be very
misleading with graphical processes, but that should not occur here.

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/7880784/what-is-rss-and-vsz-in-linux-memory-management

https://stackoverflow.com/a/21049737/2911961
""RSS is the Resident Set Size and is used to show how much memory is
allocated to that process and is in RAM. It does not include memory that
is swapped out. It does include memory from shared libraries as long as
the pages from those libraries are actually in memory. It does include
all stack and heap memory.

VSZ is the Virtual Memory Size. It includes all memory that the process
can access, including memory that is swapped out, memory that is
allocated, but not used, and memory that is from shared libraries.""

Peter

Re: Need help analyzing (kernel?) memory usage and reclaiming RAM (Debian Stretch)

[Reco]

Hi.

On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 02:30:57PM +0200, Martin Schwarz wrote:
> > slabtop from "procps" package, definitely.
> > Should've thought of it earlier.
> 
> I did take a look at slaptop (and at /proc/slabinfo) before. But since the
> values for "SReclaimable" and "SUnreclaim" from /proc/meminfo are not high
> enough to explain the memory consumption, I didn't investigate any further in
> that direction.
> 
> Looks unsuspicious to me:

Agreed. Nothing here that explains the behaviour observed.


> ['perf top' and 'perf record']
> > It's very indirect method. Basically it shows internal kernel functions
> > used, which may or may not be the source of the leak.
> 
> I'm afraid 'perf' is beyond my knowledge. In its default invocation, 'perf_4.9
> top' seems to be more focussed on CPU usage?

Nope, it's deeper than this. What "perf top" should show by default is
the kernel and userspace library functions called by every kernel thread
and every userspace process. For instance,

  81.98%  [kernel]  [k] load_balance
  18.02%  [kernel]  [k] __tick_nohz_idle_enter
   0.00%  [kernel]  [k] module_get_kallsym

This shows mostly idle OS, and the kernel calls load_balance() 81% of
the time, and __tick_nohz_idle_enter() 18% of the time. It eats CPU, of
course, but CPU consumption is not a concern here. The answer to the
question 'what the kernel does' is.


> And 'perf_4.9 record' is used to profile a certain command?

'perf record -a' in this case. All userspace and the kernel.
Terminate it with Ctrl+C after a minute or two.
Sorry if I didn't mention that.


> Tried with "sleep 30" as command, but not sure how
> to interpret the recording.

'perf report' from the same directory where it wrote "pref.data"
earlier.


> So I'm really unsure how to use them to further drill into kernel or module
> memory usage. Any hints?

Send it here, unless it's classified or somehow private. You'll need
those anyway, because...

> 
> > There's this SystemTap thing that can presumably do it better, but last
> > time I've checked it required a debug version of the kernel (and that's
> > unsuitable for just about anything short of kernel development).
> 
> By then I should probably go to debian-kernel? ;-)

I'd file a bug against linux-image package. You're using only in-tree
kernel modules shipped by Debian. The kernel is obviously misbehaving.
And if they won't answer you in a week (it's a small volunteer team
after all) - then you'll go at debian-kernel with a bug number at hands.

Reco

Re: Need help analyzing (kernel?) memory usage and reclaiming RAM (Debian Stretch)

[Martin Schwarz]

Hello,

On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 11:49:57AM +0300, Reco wrote:
> I see nothing unusual short of somewhat low amount of RAM by today's
> standards.
> It's no excuse for the kernel to behave that way, for obvious reasons.

yes, 1 GB is not that much - but should be more than enough for the two
small RADIUSd instances (some 80 MB). Of course, if the workload
requires it, we can assign more RAM. In fact, that was what we first did
when the problem started to show, but this only lasted so long until the
additional RAM was consumed as well - it just takes a bit longer.

> slabtop from "procps" package, definitely.
> Should've thought of it earlier.

I did take a look at slaptop (and at /proc/slabinfo) before. But since the
values for "SReclaimable" and "SUnreclaim" from /proc/meminfo are not high
enough to explain the memory consumption, I didn't investigate any further in
that direction.

Looks unsuspicious to me:

root@rad-wgv-srv01:~# slabtop --once --sort=s | head -15
 Active / Total Objects (% used): 144152 / 186846 (77,2%)
 Active / Total Slabs (% used)  : 11205 / 11206 (100,0%)
 Active / Total Caches (% used) : 66 / 116 (56,9%)
 Active / Total Size (% used)   : 40726,60K / 46301,70K (88,0%)
 Minimum / Average / Maximum Object : 0,02K / 0,25K / 4096,00K

  OBJS ACTIVE  USE OBJ SIZE  SLABS OBJ/SLAB CACHE SIZE NAME   
 0  0   0% 4096,00K  01 0K kmalloc-4194304
 0  0   0% 4096,00K  01 0K dma-kmalloc-4194304
 0  0   0% 2048,00K  01 0K kmalloc-2097152
 0  0   0% 2048,00K  01 0K dma-kmalloc-2097152
 0  0   0% 1024,00K  01 0K kmalloc-1048576
 0  0   0% 1024,00K  01 0K dma-kmalloc-1048576
 0  0   0%  512,00K  01 0K kmalloc-524288 
 0  0   0%  512,00K  01 0K dma-kmalloc-524288 
root@rad-wgv-srv01:~# 

> > Only I can't unload modules that are in use, of course. Unloading
> > vmw_balloon, vmw_vmci, and vmw_vsock_vmci_transport didn't help.
> 
> I doubt that these are the problem. Unless you're changing VM's RAM at
> runtime (and you wrote you don't).

We sometimes do increase a VM's RAM while it is running. But most of the VMs
showing the problem still have their initial memory size from the template they
were deployed from.

['perf top' and 'perf record']
> It's very indirect method. Basically it shows internal kernel functions
> used, which may or may not be the source of the leak.

I'm afraid 'perf' is beyond my knowledge. In its default invocation, 'perf_4.9
top' seems to be more focussed on CPU usage?  And 'perf_4.9 record' is used to
profile a certain command? Tried with "sleep 30" as command, but not sure how
to interpret the recording.

So I'm really unsure how to use them to further drill into kernel or module
memory usage. Any hints?

> There's this SystemTap thing that can presumably do it better, but last
> time I've checked it required a debug version of the kernel (and that's
> unsuitable for just about anything short of kernel development).

By then I should probably go to debian-kernel? ;-)

Thanks again for all your help!

Martin

-- 
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Re: Need help analyzing (kernel?) memory usage and reclaiming RAM (Debian Stretch)

[Reco]

Hi.

On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 10:22:16AM +0200, Martin Schwarz wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 07:03:13PM +0300, Reco wrote:
> [...]
> > What I suspect is happening here is runaway memory allocation by a
> > kernel module (at least one of them), and said kernel module is likely
> > to be VMWare-specific.
> > It could be vmxnet3 (network). It could be that LSI kernel module or
> > whatever they're using for SCSI these days (vmw_pvscsi?).
> 
> sounds interesting.
> 
> That would explain why I haven't seen this problem on one of my (few)
> personal Stretch installations running as Xen DomU. But then, I guess
> we're not the only ones who use Debian Stretch on VMware ESXi ;-)
> but haven't found any mention of this problem. I wonder what makes our
> setup so special ...

I see nothing unusual short of somewhat low amount of RAM by today's
standards.
It's no excuse for the kernel to behave that way, for obvious reasons.


> Here's the outout from lsmod:

Nothing unexpected here.


> Is there a way to show the memory consumed by each module? (besides the
> 'perf' tool you recommend below)

slabtop from "procps" package, definitely.
Should've thought of it earlier.


> Would memory consumed by a module be released when the module is
> unloaded? I guess so.

Barring kernel memory leaks - yes. Yep, they "invented" them too.
A price to pay if you write a kernel in C.


> Only I can't unload modules that are in use, of course. Unloading
> vmw_balloon, vmw_vmci, and vmw_vsock_vmci_transport didn't help.

I doubt that these are the problem. Unless you're changing VM's RAM at
runtime (and you wrote you don't).
If you can unload it - it's not used, hence no kernel memory allocations
worthy of speaking.


> > And that means - 'perf top', or better yet - 'perf record'.
> 
> I have never used perf before, will look into it.

It's very indirect method. Basically it shows internal kernel functions
used, which may or may not be the source of the leak.

There's this SystemTap thing that can presumably do it better, but last
time I've checked it required a debug version of the kernel (and that's
unsuitable for just about anything short of kernel development).

Reco

Re: Need help analyzing (kernel?) memory usage and reclaiming RAM (Debian Stretch)

[Martin Schwarz]

Hello,

On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 07:03:13PM +0300, Reco wrote:
[...]
> What I suspect is happening here is runaway memory allocation by a
> kernel module (at least one of them), and said kernel module is likely
> to be VMWare-specific.
> It could be vmxnet3 (network). It could be that LSI kernel module or
> whatever they're using for SCSI these days (vmw_pvscsi?).

sounds interesting.

That would explain why I haven't seen this problem on one of my (few)
personal Stretch installations running as Xen DomU. But then, I guess
we're not the only ones who use Debian Stretch on VMware ESXi ;-)
but haven't found any mention of this problem. I wonder what makes our
setup so special ...

Yes, we're using vmw_pvscsi (VMware Paravirtual SCSI controller).

Here's the outout from lsmod:

msch@rad-wgv-srv01:~$ lsmod 
Module  Size  Used by
tcp_diag   16384  0
inet_diag  20480  1 tcp_diag
ppdev  20480  0
vmw_balloon20480  0
joydev 20480  0
evdev  24576  1
pcspkr 16384  0
serio_raw  16384  0
vmwgfx237568  1
ttm98304  1 vmwgfx
drm_kms_helper155648  1 vmwgfx
sg 32768  0
drm   360448  4 vmwgfx,ttm,drm_kms_helper
shpchp 36864  0
parport_pc 28672  0
parport49152  2 parport_pc,ppdev
ac 16384  0
button 16384  0
vmw_vsock_vmci_transport28672  0
vsock  36864  1 vmw_vsock_vmci_transport
vmw_vmci   69632  2 vmw_balloon,vmw_vsock_vmci_transport
ip_tables  24576  0
x_tables   36864  1 ip_tables
autofs440960  2
ext4  585728  3
crc16  16384  1 ext4
jbd2  106496  1 ext4
crc32c_generic 16384  0
fscrypto   28672  1 ext4
ecb16384  0
glue_helper16384  0
lrw16384  0
gf128mul   16384  1 lrw
ablk_helper16384  0
cryptd 24576  1 ablk_helper
aes_x86_64 20480  0
mbcache16384  4 ext4
dm_mod118784  16
sr_mod 24576  0
cdrom  61440  1 sr_mod
sd_mod 49152  2
ata_generic16384  0
crc32c_intel   24576  6
psmouse   135168  0
vmxnet361440  0
ata_piix   36864  0
vmw_pvscsi 24576  1
i2c_piix4  24576  0
libata249856  2 ata_piix,ata_generic
scsi_mod  225280  5 sd_mod,libata,sr_mod,sg,vmw_pvscsi
floppy 69632  0
msch@rad-wgv-srv01:~$ 

Is there a way to show the memory consumed by each module? (besides the
'perf' tool you recommend below)

Would memory consumed by a module be released when the module is
unloaded? I guess so. Only I can't unload modules that are in use, of
course. Unloading vmw_balloon, vmw_vmci, and vmw_vsock_vmci_transport
didn't help.

> And that means - 'perf top', or better yet - 'perf record'.

I have never used perf before, will look into it.

Thanks a lot for your insight!

Martin

-- 
Martin Schwarz * Karlsruhe, Germany * http://kuroi.de/

Re: Need help analyzing (kernel?) memory usage and reclaiming RAM (Debian Stretch)

[Reco]

Hi.

On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 04:40:56PM +0200, Martin Schwarz wrote:
> The system from my previous example has already been rebooted, sorry!

Kind of expected. It's useful nevertheless.


> But here's from another system that currently starts showing the same
> problem and has an equally small workload:
> 
> root@rad-wgv-srv01:~# free -thwl

Nothing out of the ordinary here.

> root@rad-wgv-srv01:~# cat /proc/meminfo
> MemTotal:1010976 kB
> MemFree:   73980 kB
> MemAvailable:  38756 kB
> Buffers:9964 kB
> Cached:50340 kB

It's not the file cache who ate the memory.

> SwapCached: 2728 kB

And it's not the swap caching.

> Active(anon):  11068 kB
> Inactive(anon): 3696 kB

Memory consumption cannot be attributed to tmpfs.
I know, you've posted 'df' output earlier, but it does not take mount
namespaces into the account.

> Mapped:19904 kB

To my biggest disappointment, the problem cannot be explained by
excessive use of mmap(2) syscall. Would be easy otherwise.


> Shmem:  1120 kB

It's not the shared memory segments.


> Slab:  90744 kB
> SReclaimable:  13100 kB
> SUnreclaim:77644 kB

And it's not dentries cache (saw the thing grown once or twice. was
ugly).


> AnonHugePages: 0 kB
> ShmemHugePages:0 kB
> ShmemPmdMapped:0 kB
> HugePages_Total:   0
> HugePages_Free:0
> HugePages_Rsvd:0
> HugePages_Surp:0

And last, but not the least, there are no hugepages in use.


> root@rad-wgv-srv01:~# smem -tm | tail
> /bin/bash3  358 1076 
> /lib/systemd/systemd 3  386 1158 
> /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc-2.24.so  33   54 1783 
> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcrypto.so.1 5  386 1933 
> /usr/bin/python2.7   1 2220 2220 
> /lib/systemd/libsystemd-shared-232.so5  544 2723 
>  33  146 4848 
> [heap]  33  30410060 
> -
> 179922041011 

Moreover, no current running visible process consume the memory.
I suspect that this host does not utilize them anyway.


In short. I do believe that this is happening, but I never seen anything
like this. I cannot imagine the scenario that can lead to this, as long
as we're talking real hardware aka big iron.

What I suspect is happening here is runaway memory allocation by a
kernel module (at least one of them), and said kernel module is likely
to be VMWare-specific.
It could be vmxnet3 (network). It could be that LSI kernel module or
whatever they're using for SCSI these days (vmw_pvscsi?).


And that means - 'perf top', or better yet - 'perf record'.

Reco

Re: Need help analyzing (kernel?) memory usage and reclaiming RAM (Debian Stretch)

[Martin Schwarz]

On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 10:44:26AM -0400, Kenneth Parker wrote:
> I had a Symptom like this a few years ago, which was tracked to something
> called "zram", which tries to use "excess RAM" as Swap Space.

thanks for your input!

We do not use zram. (I assume that would also show up in `lsmod`?)

/proc/swap shows only one "normal" swap partition (on a LVM logical
volume in this case):


root@rad-wgv-srv01:~# cat /proc/swaps
FilenameTypeSizeUsedPriority
/dev/dm-3   partition   2097148 70876   -1
root@rad-wgv-srv01:~# fgrep swap /etc/fstab 
/dev/mapper/vg0-lv_swap noneswapsw  0   0
root@rad-wgv-srv01:~# ls -l /dev/mapper/vg0-lv_swap
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 Mär 29 08:33 /dev/mapper/vg0-lv_swap -> ../dm-3
root@rad-wgv-srv01:~# ls -l /dev/dm-3
brw-rw 1 root disk 254, 3 Mär 29 08:33 /dev/dm-3
root@rad-wgv-srv01:~# lvs /dev/mapper/vg0-lv_swap
  LV  VG  Attr   LSize Pool Origin Data%  Meta%  Move Log Cpy%Sync 
Convert
  lv_swap vg0 -wi-ao 2,00g  
  
root@rad-wgv-srv01:~# lsmod | fgrep z
Module  Size  Used by
root@rad-wgv-srv01:~# 

-- 
Martin Schwarz * Karlsruhe, Germany * http://kuroi.de/

Re: Need help analyzing (kernel?) memory usage and reclaiming RAM (Debian Stretch)

[Kenneth Parker]

I had a Symptom like this a few years ago, which was tracked to something
called "zram", which tries to use "excess RAM" as Swap Space.

If so, it would show up on /proc/swaps

Verify that.

Best regards,

Kenneth Parker

Re: Need help analyzing (kernel?) memory usage and reclaiming RAM (Debian Stretch)

[Martin Schwarz]

On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 04:35:27PM +0300, Reco wrote:
> Can you please provide unsorted outputs of /proc/meminfo? It's easier to
> compare them if they are unsorted.
> And "smem -tm | tail" would be helpful too.

Thanks for your input!

The system from my previous example has already been rebooted, sorry!
But here's from another system that currently starts showing the same
problem and has an equally small workload:


root@rad-wgv-srv01:~# free -thwl
  totalusedfree  shared buffers   cache 
  available
Mem:   987M843M 72M1,1M9,7M 61M 
37M
Low:   987M914M 72M
High:0B  0B  0B
Swap:  2,0G 75M1,9G
Total: 3,0G919M2,0G
root@rad-wgv-srv01:~# cat /proc/meminfo
MemTotal:1010976 kB
MemFree:   73980 kB
MemAvailable:  38756 kB
Buffers:9964 kB
Cached:50340 kB
SwapCached: 2728 kB
Active:58776 kB
Inactive:  15164 kB
Active(anon):  11068 kB
Inactive(anon): 3696 kB
Active(file):  47708 kB
Inactive(file):11468 kB
Unevictable:   0 kB
Mlocked:   0 kB
SwapTotal:   2097148 kB
SwapFree:2019416 kB
Dirty:   104 kB
Writeback: 0 kB
AnonPages: 13048 kB
Mapped:19904 kB
Shmem:  1120 kB
Slab:  90744 kB
SReclaimable:  13100 kB
SUnreclaim:77644 kB
KernelStack:2700 kB
PageTables: 3764 kB
NFS_Unstable:  0 kB
Bounce:0 kB
WritebackTmp:  0 kB
CommitLimit: 2602636 kB
Committed_AS: 155208 kB
VmallocTotal:   34359738367 kB
VmallocUsed:   0 kB
VmallocChunk:  0 kB
HardwareCorrupted: 0 kB
AnonHugePages: 0 kB
ShmemHugePages:0 kB
ShmemPmdMapped:0 kB
HugePages_Total:   0
HugePages_Free:0
HugePages_Rsvd:0
HugePages_Surp:0
Hugepagesize:   2048 kB
DirectMap4k:  925568 kB
DirectMap2M:  122880 kB
root@rad-wgv-srv01:~# smem -tm | tail
/bin/bash3  358 1076 
/lib/systemd/systemd 3  386 1158 
/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc-2.24.so  33   54 1783 
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcrypto.so.1 5  386 1933 
/usr/bin/python2.7   1 2220 2220 
/lib/systemd/libsystemd-shared-232.so5  544 2723 
 33  146 4848 
[heap]  33  30410060 
-
179922041011 
root@rad-wgv-srv01:~# ps aux --sort=-rss | head -15
USER   PID %CPU %MEMVSZ   RSS TTY  STAT START   TIME COMMAND
root 61714  0.0  0.6  95180  6676 ?Ss   16:35   0:00 sshd: msch 
[priv]
msch 61716  0.0  0.5  64832  5852 ?Ss   16:35   0:00 
/lib/systemd/systemd --user
msch 61723  0.0  0.4  95452  4996 ?S16:35   0:00 sshd: 
msch@pts/0
msch 61724  0.2  0.4  23636  4924 pts/0Ss   16:35   0:00 -bash
root 62015  1.0  0.4  23740  4892 pts/0S16:36   0:00 -bash
root 1  0.0  0.4  57128  4440 ?Ss   Mär29  14:30 
/lib/systemd/systemd --system --deserialize 19
root 62014  0.0  0.3  51964  3836 pts/0S16:36   0:00 sudo -i
root 62040  0.0  0.3  41164  3584 pts/0R+   16:37   0:00 ps aux 
--sort=-rss
root   228  0.1  0.2 136620  2884 ?Ss   Mär29  31:20 
/usr/bin/vmtoolsd
root   224  0.0  0.2  6  2560 ?Ss   Mär29  13:48 
/lib/systemd/systemd-journald
root   411  0.0  0.2  46520  2408 ?Ss   Mär29   6:40 
/lib/systemd/systemd-logind
message+   419  0.0  0.1  45200  1332 ?Ss   Mär29   6:39 
/usr/bin/dbus-daemon --system --address=systemd: --nofork --nopidfile 
--systemd-activation
msch 61717  0.0  0.1  82652  1268 ?S16:35   0:00 (sd-pam)
_chrony531  0.0  0.1  29980  1184 ?SMär29   0:52 
/usr/sbin/chronyd
root@rad-wgv-srv01:~# uname -a
Linux rad-wgv-srv01 4.9.0-8-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.144-3 (2019-02-02) x86_64 
GNU/Linux
root@rad-wgv-srv01:~# 


(any other commands I should repeat on the new system?)

Thanks
Martin

-- 
Martin Schwarz * Karlsruhe, Germany * http://kuroi.de/

Re: Need help analyzing (kernel?) memory usage and reclaiming RAM (Debian Stretch)

[Reco]

Hi.

On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 02:21:16PM +0200, Martin Schwarz wrote:
> I need help debugging/solving a weird memory problem. The symptoms are
> the usual ones for high memory usage: free/available memory is getting
> low, systems start swapping, disk I/O increases, performance drops.

Can you please provide unsorted outputs of /proc/meminfo? It's easier to
compare them if they are unsorted.
And "smem -tm | tail" would be helpful too.

Reco

Re: Need help with Play on Linux

[Matthew Crews]

On 1/27/19 8:26 PM, Jiangsu Kumquat wrote:
> So, I did all that and then I tried once again to get Spotify to install
> without errors, but It still can't find the .dll file.
> 
> I posted a picture:
> https://postimg.cc/wRLyFTyb
> and added a comment about this in the PlayOnLinux forum under Spotify:
> https://www.playonlinux.com/en/app-386.html
> 
> I think I give up. Other people have been having this issue for a while.
> Thanks oodles for your help. I did not know about adding the i386 to
> dpkg before you told me about it.

I just looked, and Spotify apparently has a native Linux client. So I
guess Wine/PoL are not needed anymore?

https://www.spotify.com/us/download/linux/

You can either use the .deb package they provide, or you can use a snap.
Either way should yield better results.

Cheers,

-Matt

Re: Need help with Play on Linux

[Jiangsu Kumquat]

 So, I did all that and then I tried once again to get Spotify to install
without errors, but It still can't find the .dll file.

I posted a picture:
https://postimg.cc/wRLyFTyb
and added a comment about this in the PlayOnLinux forum under Spotify:
https://www.playonlinux.com/en/app-386.html

I think I give up. Other people have been having this issue for a while.
Thanks oodles for your help. I did not know about adding the i386 to dpkg
before you told me about it.

On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 3:03 PM Matthew Crews 
wrote:

> Let's take this a step at a time.
>
> On 1/25/19 11:55 AM, Jiangsu Kumquat wrote:
> > Here's some stats about the computer I'm running Play on Linux with:
> >
> > OS: stretch 64bit
> > CPU: Intel® Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz × 2
> > RAM:  2.0 GiB
> > Graphics: Intel® 945G (built-in video on the motherboard)
> > I think I have located the driver for this video card but I'm not sure
> > how to install it. I tried to install it as a regular program, but the
> > setup program says that my computer does not meet the requirements to
> > install it.
>
> The Linux Kernel has built-in drivers for your graphics. No additional
> drivers needed.
>
> > I just added i386 to dpkg and installed wine32. This seemed to resolve a
> > lot of problems.
>
> Good!
>
> > I successfully got the installer for a windows app to run. However it
> > did not install correctly...
> > I'm trying to install Spotify client.
> >
> > I installed "mono-complete" and "mono-complete:i386" but the installer
> > still could not find mono.
> > So I had the play on Linux installer install mono.
> >
> > *It complained that I do not have "wine-gecko" installed. *I cannot seem
> > to resolve this.
>
> Thats odd, PlayOnLinux should have prompted you to install wine-gecko.
>
> > Spotify says that it could not find WINHTTP.dll and won't run.
> >
> >
> > However, I did successfully manually install and run this software with
> > default wine... although it doesn't require a lot of stuff to run. (It
> > will run in DOS apparently) It's an audio spectrum analyzer.
> >
> >
> https://www.softpedia.com/get/Multimedia/Audio/Other-AUDIO-Tools/Audio-SpectrumView.shtml
> >
> > Also, on the play on Linux main window, the capture plugin gives me this
> > error:
> >
> > 01/25/19 09:03:52 - [main] Fatal: Please install alsa-base
> >
> > However, alsa-base is not available in stretch.
>
> Have you tried installing Spotify via vanilla Wine, instead of PlayOnLinux?
>
> > The attached log file is for Spotify. It doesn't say it in the file, but
> > I am getting an error message that it cannot find WINHTTP.dll.
>
> The only thing I can see that *might* cause a problem is that you are
> installing Wine 1.7.35. Granted, this is the version that is in Stretch,
> but it is a very old version. Perhaps try installing it from Stretch
> Backports, then reinstall Wine, and see if that helps. Also, Spotify
> appears to be problematic with Wine outright.
>
> https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application=8514
>
> To install from backports, first add backports to your repos.
>
> # echo "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian stretch-backports main" | tee
> /etc/apt/sources.list.d/stretch-backports
> # apt update
>
> Then install (or in this case, re-install) Wine
>
> # apt install \
>   wine/stretch-backports \
>   wine32/stretch-backports \
>   wine64/stretch-backports \
>   libwine/stretch-backports \
>   libwine:i386/stretch-backports \
>   fonts-wine/stretch-backports
>
> This will install Wine 3.0.3 from backports, and should give improved
> compatibility.
>

Re: Need help with Play on Linux

[Matthew Crews]

Let's take this a step at a time.

On 1/25/19 11:55 AM, Jiangsu Kumquat wrote:
> Here's some stats about the computer I'm running Play on Linux with:
> 
> OS: stretch 64bit
> CPU: Intel® Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz × 2
> RAM:  2.0 GiB
> Graphics: Intel® 945G (built-in video on the motherboard)
> I think I have located the driver for this video card but I'm not sure
> how to install it. I tried to install it as a regular program, but the
> setup program says that my computer does not meet the requirements to
> install it.

The Linux Kernel has built-in drivers for your graphics. No additional
drivers needed.

> I just added i386 to dpkg and installed wine32. This seemed to resolve a
> lot of problems.

Good!

> I successfully got the installer for a windows app to run. However it
> did not install correctly...
> I'm trying to install Spotify client.
> 
> I installed "mono-complete" and "mono-complete:i386" but the installer
> still could not find mono.
> So I had the play on Linux installer install mono.
> 
> *It complained that I do not have "wine-gecko" installed. *I cannot seem
> to resolve this.

Thats odd, PlayOnLinux should have prompted you to install wine-gecko.

> Spotify says that it could not find WINHTTP.dll and won't run.
> 
> 
> However, I did successfully manually install and run this software with
> default wine... although it doesn't require a lot of stuff to run. (It
> will run in DOS apparently) It's an audio spectrum analyzer.
> 
> https://www.softpedia.com/get/Multimedia/Audio/Other-AUDIO-Tools/Audio-SpectrumView.shtml
> 
> Also, on the play on Linux main window, the capture plugin gives me this
> error:
> 
> 01/25/19 09:03:52 - [main] Fatal: Please install alsa-base
> 
> However, alsa-base is not available in stretch.

Have you tried installing Spotify via vanilla Wine, instead of PlayOnLinux?

> The attached log file is for Spotify. It doesn't say it in the file, but
> I am getting an error message that it cannot find WINHTTP.dll.

The only thing I can see that *might* cause a problem is that you are
installing Wine 1.7.35. Granted, this is the version that is in Stretch,
but it is a very old version. Perhaps try installing it from Stretch
Backports, then reinstall Wine, and see if that helps. Also, Spotify
appears to be problematic with Wine outright.

https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application=8514

To install from backports, first add backports to your repos.

# echo "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian stretch-backports main" | tee
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/stretch-backports
# apt update

Then install (or in this case, re-install) Wine

# apt install \
  wine/stretch-backports \
  wine32/stretch-backports \
  wine64/stretch-backports \
  libwine/stretch-backports \
  libwine:i386/stretch-backports \
  fonts-wine/stretch-backports

This will install Wine 3.0.3 from backports, and should give improved
compatibility.

Re: Need help with Play on Linux

[Jiangsu Kumquat]

Here's some stats about the computer I'm running Play on Linux with:

OS: stretch 64bit
CPU: Intel® Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz × 2
RAM:  2.0 GiB
Graphics: Intel® 945G (built-in video on the motherboard)
I think I have located the driver for this video card but I'm not sure how
to install it. I tried to install it as a regular program, but the setup
program says that my computer does not meet the requirements to install it.

How do you install drivers into Play on Linux?

https://www.driverscape.com/manufacturers/intel/laptops-desktops/945g/917

I just added i386 to dpkg and installed wine32. This seemed to resolve a
lot of problems.

I successfully got the installer for a windows app to run. However it did
not install correctly...
I'm trying to install Spotify client.

I installed "mono-complete" and "mono-complete:i386" but the installer
still could not find mono.
So I had the play on Linux installer install mono.

*It complained that I do not have "wine-gecko" installed. *I cannot seem to
resolve this.

Spotify says that it could not find WINHTTP.dll and won't run.


However, I did successfully manually install and run this software with
default wine... although it doesn't require a lot of stuff to run. (It will
run in DOS apparently) It's an audio spectrum analyzer.

https://www.softpedia.com/get/Multimedia/Audio/Other-AUDIO-Tools/Audio-SpectrumView.shtml

Also, on the play on Linux main window, the capture plugin gives me this
error:

01/25/19 09:03:52 - [main] Fatal: Please install alsa-base

However, alsa-base is not available in stretch.


The attached log file is for Spotify. It doesn't say it in the file, but I
am getting an error message that it cannot find WINHTTP.dll.


On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 8:40 AM Matthew Crews 
wrote:

> On 1/25/19 8:25 AM, Jiangsu Kumquat wrote:
> > Please email me directly as I might not see your reply in the mailing
> list.
> >
> > I installed "Play on Linux" and attempted to run a program under it. You
> > can download it here:
> >
> > https://www.playonlinux.com/
> >
> > I am trying to completely rid myself of using Windows. The only thing
> > that I really need Windows for is to play games made for Windows. So, if
> > I can get this to work, I'll put Microsoft in the waste bin!
> >
> > No matter what I do, it tells me that Wine has crashed. When I try to
> > install a program either manually or a supported software, it tells me
> > that Wine has crashed and I never see the Windows installer box.
> >
> > I have tried both the 32 and 64 bit versions of wine and they both
> > crash. (I installed wind with APT and also installed wine from inside
> > plays on linux.)
> >
> > Here is an error I get when I first execute the program:
> >
> > PlayOnLinux is unable to find 32bits OpenGL libraries.
> > You might encounter problem with your games
> >
> > From here on out I always seem to get this error no matter what I do...
> >
> > Error in POL_Wine
> > Wine seems to have crashed
> >
> > And this is as far I can get.
> >
> >
>
> First, are you using Stretch, or testing/sid?
>
> Did you add the i386 architecture to dpkg?
>
> # dpkg --add-architecture i386
> # apt update
>
> You will then need to reinstall wine, and possibly your drivers. If you
> are using Nvidia graphics, you *definitely* need to reinstall your
> drivers and the proprietary drivers.
>
> # apt install wine wine32 wine64 libwine libwine:i386 fonts-wine
>
> I would also consider installing wine from backports, or directly from
> WineHQ. Details on how to install from WineQH are on the WineHQ website.
>
>
[01/25/19 11:28:47] - Running wine-1.7.35 --version (Working directory : /usr/share/playonlinux/python)
wine-1.7.35

PlayOnLinux logfile
---
Date: 01/25/19 11:28:47

> PlayOnLinux Version
  4.3.4
> uname -a
  Linux music 4.9.0-8-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.130-2 (2018-10-27) x86_64 GNU/Linux
> lsb_release -a
  
> wine --version
  wine-1.7.35
> POL_WINEVERSION
  1.7.35
> WINEPREFIX
  /home/ron/.PlayOnLinux//wineprefix/Spotify
> Distribution
  Debian GNU/Linux 9.7 (stretch)
> glxinfo \| grep rendering
  direct rendering: Yes
> glxinfo \| grep renderer
  GLX_MESA_multithread_makecurrent, GLX_MESA_query_renderer, 
GLX_MESA_multithread_makecurrent, GLX_MESA_query_renderer, 
Extended renderer info (GLX_MESA_query_renderer):
OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 945G 
> OpenGL libs (Direct rendering testing)
  32bits direct rendering is enabled
  64bits direct rendering is enabled

[01/25/19 11:29:13] - Running wine-1.7.35 cmd /c echo %ProgramFiles% (Working directory : /usr/share/playonlinux/python)
C:\Program Files
[01/25/19 11:29:19] - - Starting function POL_Install_corefonts -
[01/25/19 11:29:19] - - Starting function POL_Internal_InstallFonts -
[01/25/19 11:29:20] - - Ending function POL_Internal_InstallFonts -
[01/25/19 11:29:20] - - Ending function POL_Install_corefonts -
[01/25/19 11:29:20] - Running wine-1.7.35 regedit /home/ron/.PlayOnLinux//tmp/regkey.reg 

Re: Need help with Play on Linux

[Matthew Crews]

On 1/25/19 8:25 AM, Jiangsu Kumquat wrote:
> Please email me directly as I might not see your reply in the mailing list.
> 
> I installed "Play on Linux" and attempted to run a program under it. You
> can download it here:
> 
> https://www.playonlinux.com/
> 
> I am trying to completely rid myself of using Windows. The only thing
> that I really need Windows for is to play games made for Windows. So, if
> I can get this to work, I'll put Microsoft in the waste bin!
> 
> No matter what I do, it tells me that Wine has crashed. When I try to
> install a program either manually or a supported software, it tells me
> that Wine has crashed and I never see the Windows installer box.
> 
> I have tried both the 32 and 64 bit versions of wine and they both
> crash. (I installed wind with APT and also installed wine from inside
> plays on linux.)
> 
> Here is an error I get when I first execute the program:
> 
> PlayOnLinux is unable to find 32bits OpenGL libraries.
> You might encounter problem with your games
> 
> From here on out I always seem to get this error no matter what I do...
> 
> Error in POL_Wine
> Wine seems to have crashed
> 
> And this is as far I can get.
> 
> 

First, are you using Stretch, or testing/sid?

Did you add the i386 architecture to dpkg?

# dpkg --add-architecture i386
# apt update

You will then need to reinstall wine, and possibly your drivers. If you
are using Nvidia graphics, you *definitely* need to reinstall your
drivers and the proprietary drivers.

# apt install wine wine32 wine64 libwine libwine:i386 fonts-wine

I would also consider installing wine from backports, or directly from
WineHQ. Details on how to install from WineQH are on the WineHQ website.

Re: Need help getting Cinelerra to run

[deloptes]

Jiangsu Kumquat wrote:

> Please email me directly with your reply as I probably will not see your
> reply in the mailing list.
> 
> Cinelerra is a fantastic non-linear video editor for Linux. Unfortunately
> I am unable to get it running under Debian. I'm using stable with latest
> updates. (This software has been out for a years. Why is it not part of
> Debian?)
> 
[...]
> 
> I'm not sure how to get past these errors... I don't know what to do now.
> There used to be a repository that I could link to in "sources.list" but
> that site seems to no longer exist. This is how I installed it into Ubuntu
> when I used Cinelerra before.

Try 
deb http://deb-multimedia.org stretch main non-free
somewhere in your source.list. I use /etc/apt/sources.list.d/multimedia.list

BTW marillat has changed to deb-multimedia.org couple of years ago.
Incredible you missed that :)


$ apt-cache show cinelerra
Package: cinelerra
Version: 4.6.1-dmo3
Installed-Size: 18933
Maintainer: Christian Marillat 
Architecture: amd64
Depends: libasound2 (>= 1.0.16), libavc1394-0 (>= 0.5.3), libbz2-1.0, libc6
(>= 2.15), libdv4, libfaac0, libfaad2 (>= 2.7), libflac8 (>= 1.3.0),
libgcc1 (>= 1:3.0), libgl1-mesa-glx | libgl1, libglu1-mesa | libglu1,
libiec61883-0 (>= 1.2.0), libilmbase12 (>= 2.2.0), libjpeg62-turbo (>=
1.3.1), libmp3lame0 (>= 1:3.99.0), libogg0 (>= 1.0rc3), libopenexr22 (>=
2.2.0), libpng16-16 (>= 1.6.2-1), libraw1394-11, libsndfile1 (>= 1.0.20),
libstdc++6 (>= 5.2), libtheora0 (>= 0.0.0.alpha7.dfsg), libtiff5 (>=
4.0.3), libva1 (>= 1.0.3), libvorbis0a (>= 1.1.2), libvorbisenc2 (>=
1.1.2), libvorbisfile3 (>= 1.1.2), libx11-6, libxext6, libxft2 (>> 2.1.1),
libxv1, zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4), cinelerra-data
Recommends: mpeg3-utils
Conflicts: libguicast, libmpeg3hv
Description-en: audio/video authoring tool
 Cinelerra is a complete audio and video authoring tool. It understands a
 lot of multimedia formats (quicktime, avi, ogg) and audio/video compression
 codecs (divx, xvid, mpeg1/2, ...)
Description-md5: a53426e49e9c6560fb46476be65f848d
Bugs: mailto:maril...@deb-multimedia.org
Homepage: http://heroinewarrior.com/cinelerra.php
Section: graphics
Priority: optional
Filename: pool/main/c/cinelerra/cinelerra_4.6.1-dmo3_amd64.deb
Size: 5992878
MD5sum: 114efc6eefb8fdf7eb8f57650d04e154
SHA1: 5b69c1a0d9631bdbe375858337f11b49496717fd
SHA256: 2b95e0f16431b73dcde783304c7a9fc6f7d11836a82b5b80c006fff8da0c2454

Re: Need help making new boot vol

[Pascal Hambourg]

Le 16/01/2019 à 01:59, Andy Smith a écrit :


On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 04:56:31PM -0600, Dennis Wicks wrote:

I have copied my boot, root and home partitions to a larger
device but I think I need to run grub to actually make the
disk boot.


# dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc

will normally take care of that.


I think this answer need to be developped. This command can be run 
either in the original system before the copy (so that the configuration 
is copied to the new system) or in the new system after the copy.


When the command is run in the original system, the new boot partition 
must be mounted on /boot before.


Running the command in the new system means either a chroot or booting 
directly on the new system. You can install GRUB on the new disk with 
the following command in the original system :


grub-install --boot-directory=/path/to/new/boot /dev/xxx

where /dev/xxx is the new disk device node and /path/to/new/boot is the 
mount point of the new boot partition.


If the original and new partitions have different UUIDs, then the new 
/etc/fstab and /boot/grub/grub.cfg must be updated with the new UUIDs. 
If you want to update grub.cfg with update-grub, you must run it in the 
new system (chroot).


Note : running update-grub in the original system with the two disks to 
add the new system in the GRUB menu won't work until the new grub.cfg 
has been updated properly.

Re: Need help making new boot vol

[Keith Bainbridge]

I wonder if you need to review the partition UUIDs in /etc/fstab?



Keith Bainbridge

keithr...@gmail.com

+61 (0)447 667 468

On 16/1/19 9:56 am, Dennis Wicks wrote:

Greetings;

I have copied my boot, root and home partitions to a larger
device but I think I need to run grub to actually make the
disk boot. All of the writeups that I can find are way too
old or just old enough that the file names for a lot of
things aren't the same as what I have.

I am running buster i386. Does anyone know of an up-to-date
recipe for doing this?

Many TIA!
Dennis

Re: Need help making new boot vol

[Jimmy Johnson]

On 01/15/2019 02:56 PM, Dennis Wicks wrote:

buster i386



The installer has a repair option, I've used it in the past and it 
works, it goes like you're doing a install before it gets to the repair 
part. Use the buster iso and make a boot-disc and then choose the repair 
option from the menu, I think it's in the advanced menu.

--
Jimmy Johnson

Slackware64 14.2 - KDE 4.14.32 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda9
Registered Linux User #380263

Re: Need help making new boot vol

[Andy Smith]

Hi Dennis,

On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 04:56:31PM -0600, Dennis Wicks wrote:
> I have copied my boot, root and home partitions to a larger
> device but I think I need to run grub to actually make the
> disk boot.

# dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc

will normally take care of that.

Cheers,
Andy

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Re: need help: some words is not easy to understand in /Bugs/server-request

[Curt]

On 2018-08-14, Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희, 黃炳熙)  wrote:
> writes:
>
>> On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 03:34:06PM +0900, Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희, 黃炳熙) wrote:
>>> Hellow, i'm translating to Korean /Bugs section -- WWW. Though i try 3
>>> times for reading again again, i don't understand what means. See below:
>>
>> I can't find the text you are referring to. An URL would be nice.
>>
>> Anyway, I'll try to do my best without context:
>>
>>> #+BEGIN_SRC: text from /Bugs/server-request
>>> The Subject of the message is ignored, except for generating the Subject
>>> of the reply.
>>> #+END_SRC
>>
>> I interpret this as "the only place where the Subject of the message is
>> used is in the Subject of the reply".
>>
>> Perhaps this is about the Debian Bug Tracking System (BTS); some of the
>> bug report's mail headers have a special meaning to the BTS (the To:
>> address, for example, contains the bug ID). That would mean that the
>> Subject itself is not used, except to generate the reply's Subject
>> (which would be important to help the person sending the bug report
>> to correlate the reply (s)he receives).
>>
>> Don't hesitate to ask back if things seem less clear now :-)
>
> So the reply's Subject is important, is this key point?
> The URL was https://www.debian.org/Bugs/server-request.en.html
>
> I need more example. Tomas, please...
>
> Thanks for advance...
>

My take on it is the following. 

You send an email to requ...@bugs.debian.org because you want to know
all about bug # 22:

 Subject: Everything on bug # 22
 
(body of message containing one command and one control terminator)

 send-detail 22 (command)

 thank you (control terminator)

The automated program derives the subject line of its reply from 
the sender's subject line (common practice in the email world):

Reply:

 Subject: Re: Everything on bug # 22

 Blah blah blah blah on bug # 22

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Louise Erdrich, Love Medicine

SOLVED (Was: Re: need help: some words is not easy to understand in /Bugs/server-request)

[Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희, 黃炳熙)]

Brian  writes:

> On Tue 14 Aug 2018 at 15:34:06 +0900, Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희, 黃炳熙) wrote:
>
>> Hellow, i'm translating to Korean /Bugs section -- WWW. Though i try 3
>> times for reading again again, i don't understand what means. See below:
>> 
>> #+BEGIN_SRC: text from /Bugs/server-request
>> The Subject of the message is ignored, except for generating the Subject
>> of the reply.
>> #+END_SRC
>> 
>> Help me, please...
>
> It needs to be understood in the context of the whole of the first
> section.
>
> The body of the mail contains the commands to requ...@bugs.debian.org.
> This is the important aspect; the process will not work without its
> being done.
>
> The subject of the mail has no importance and requ...@bugs.debian.org
> will completely ignore it. So you can put anything in the subject line,
> such as "Send for bugnumber" (or even leave it blank). The reply will
> have "Re: Send for bugnumber". That might be useful to the sender.

Thanks for explanation for background reason, indeed...

> IMO, the sentence could simply be rewritten to "The Subject of the
> message is ignored." without loss of essential meaning.

So i now solved problem, thanks Brian^^^

Sincerely, Byung-Hee.

-- 
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Re: need help: some words is not easy to understand in /Bugs/server-request

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

i now understand that the page is not about _submitting_ bugs but rather
for operating the bug tracker.
In that light, Brian's statement would indeed explain the meaning.

Brian wrote:
> The subject of the mail has no importance and requ...@bugs.debian.org
> will completely ignore it. So you can put anything in the subject line,
> such as "Send for bugnumber" (or even leave it blank).
> 
> IMO, the sentence could simply be rewritten to "The Subject of the
> message is ignored." without loss of essential meaning.

If this theory is correct, i'd prepend a half sentence to the original
statement:

  "Other than with submitting a bug report,
   the Subject of the message is ignored, except for generating the
   Subject of the reply."

I lookied up some control action in closed bugs.
The message
  https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=632865;msg=25
indeed has a subject which does not show up on the bug page:
  https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=632865


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: need help: some words is not easy to understand in /Bugs/server-request

[Brian]

On Tue 14 Aug 2018 at 15:34:06 +0900, Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희, 黃炳熙) wrote:

> Hellow, i'm translating to Korean /Bugs section -- WWW. Though i try 3
> times for reading again again, i don't understand what means. See below:
> 
> #+BEGIN_SRC: text from /Bugs/server-request
> The Subject of the message is ignored, except for generating the Subject
> of the reply.
> #+END_SRC
> 
> Help me, please...

It needs to be understood in the context of the whole of the first
section.

The body of the mail contains the commands to requ...@bugs.debian.org.
This is the important aspect; the process will not work without its
being done.

The subject of the mail has no importance and requ...@bugs.debian.org
will completely ignore it. So you can put anything in the subject line,
such as "Send for bugnumber" (or even leave it blank). The reply will
have "Re: Send for bugnumber". That might be useful to the sender.

IMO, the sentence could simply be rewritten to "The Subject of the
message is ignored." without loss of essential meaning.

-- 
Brian.

Re: need help: some words is not easy to understand in /Bugs/server-request

[tomas]

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[...]

> So the reply's Subject is important, is this key point?
> The URL was https://www.debian.org/Bugs/server-request.en.html

Hey, thanks for the link!

> I need more example. Tomas, please...

It might take me a while to read & understand, but I'll come back
to it later, promised :-)

In the meantime hoping for insightful answers (I see one by Thomas).
Cheers, later
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Re: need help: some words is not easy to understand in /Bugs/server-request

[Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희, 黃炳熙)]

"Thomas Schmitt"  writes:

> Hi,
>
> i too read on
>   https://www.debian.org/Bugs/server-request
>   "The Subject of the message is ignored, except for generating the Subject
>of the reply."
>
> This is indeed a riddling statement.
> Last time i submitted a bug it had the subject:
>
>   live-wrapper: debian-live-9.4.0-amd64-xfce.iso image file is larger than 
> its isosize
>
> which i did not repeat in the message body. The body began with these
> pseudo-headers:
>
>   Source: live-wrapper
>   Version: which made debian-live-9.4.0-amd64-xfce.iso, possibly newer than 
> 0.7
>   Severity: normal
>
> Nevertheless
>   https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=898995
> showed up with the message subject as headline.
>
> Further it was forwarded to debian-live mailing list with subject:
>   Bug#898995: live-wrapper: debian-live-9.4.0-amd64-xfce.iso image file is 
> larger than its isosize
>
> So i am puzzled too by the statement in question.
> (And i doubt that  is the right place to ask for
>  clarification ...)

After read your comments, i did understand as "Always BTS server do re-write 
first
reporter's Subject, except for reply's Subject.". Still i am chaotic...

Thanks for your time, Thomas^^^

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Re: need help: some words is not easy to understand in /Bugs/server-request

[Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희, 黃炳熙)]

 writes:

> On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 03:34:06PM +0900, Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희, 黃炳熙) wrote:
>> Hellow, i'm translating to Korean /Bugs section -- WWW. Though i try 3
>> times for reading again again, i don't understand what means. See below:
>
> I can't find the text you are referring to. An URL would be nice.
>
> Anyway, I'll try to do my best without context:
>
>> #+BEGIN_SRC: text from /Bugs/server-request
>> The Subject of the message is ignored, except for generating the Subject
>> of the reply.
>> #+END_SRC
>
> I interpret this as "the only place where the Subject of the message is
> used is in the Subject of the reply".
>
> Perhaps this is about the Debian Bug Tracking System (BTS); some of the
> bug report's mail headers have a special meaning to the BTS (the To:
> address, for example, contains the bug ID). That would mean that the
> Subject itself is not used, except to generate the reply's Subject
> (which would be important to help the person sending the bug report
> to correlate the reply (s)he receives).
>
> Don't hesitate to ask back if things seem less clear now :-)

So the reply's Subject is important, is this key point?
The URL was https://www.debian.org/Bugs/server-request.en.html

I need more example. Tomas, please...

Thanks for advance...

-- 
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