Re: [OT] Rosetta Stone language program on Linux?

2012-01-05 Thread Patrick Ouellette
On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 04:06:19PM -0800, Don Juan wrote:
 Not true :) Works great on my system with wine. I get the base free
 through work and any language extensions. I just keep updating the
 original install as they come out and have yet to run into any
 issues with it under wine. Though I am on sid based off a
 net-install running just openbox and run wine off the dev tree.
 
 RS-V.4 works though not all languages are to that version yet
 RS-V.3 works and all languages are supported.
 

Have you been able to get the speech recognition driver working?
I was never able to get that working with Wine.

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Re: [OT] Rosetta Stone language program on Linux?

2012-01-01 Thread Richard
On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 23:22:52 -0500
Patrick Wiseman pwise...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 11:08 PM, Scott Ferguson
 prettyfly.producti...@gmail.com wrote:
  On 01/01/12 10:35, Patrick Wiseman wrote:
  On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 6:12 PM, Scott Ferguson
  prettyfly.producti...@gmail.com wrote:
  On 01/01/12 07:16, Patrick Wiseman wrote:
  Hi:
 
  I was wondering if anyone here has any experience with a Rosetta Stone
  language program on a Linux box, either the web-based or the DVD
  program. �I want to (re)learn French, and most reviews suggest that
  Rosetta Stone is the best.
 
  snipped
 
  At the product website, it says it
  runs on Windows AND Mac OS X, which (you may or may not know) is UN*X
  underneath, so there was at least a chance it might run on Linux,
  depending on what format the DVD uses.  (And the audio is MP3.)
 
  DVD format is not the problem.
 
  Large chunks of OSX are based on NeXT/FreeBSD - so maybe, with some
  work, it'll run on Debian KFreeBSD. I suspect Cocoa would need some
  coaxing though.
  I'm just guessing - but I'd suggest you don't buy the software on the
  strength of OSX == Unix (a posix *certification*), therefore as Debian
  == posix compliant == OSX software will run on it.
 
 I wasn't going to BUY it on that basis; I asked if anyone here had
 experience with it on that basis.  And, obviously, I know that OS X
 software doesn't just run on Linux.  I think you take me for an
 idiot; I'm not.
 
 Patrick
 
 

Hi Patrick, Happy New Year
If you did decide to run in a VM, I'd recommend VMplayer rather than Virtualbox.
Simply because IMO the sound  USB devices are handled better.

HTH
vive la anglais

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Re: [OT] Rosetta Stone language program on Linux?

2012-01-01 Thread Curt
On 2012-01-01, Richard richard.b...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:

 vive la anglais


vive l'anglais

(première leçon)

Ils ne le disent pas souvent par ici! 


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Re: [OT] Rosetta Stone language program on Linux?

2012-01-01 Thread Lisi
On Sunday 01 January 2012 14:27:03 Curt wrote:
 On 2012-01-01, Richard richard.b...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
  vive la anglais

 vive l'anglais

 (première leçon)

 Ils ne le disent pas souvent par ici!

Or Vive l'Anglaise.  Which would give you the la if you insert an adjective:  
Vive la belle Anglaise!

Lisi


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Re: [OT] Rosetta Stone language program on Linux?

2012-01-01 Thread Camaleón
On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 15:16:24 -0500, Patrick Wiseman wrote:

 I was wondering if anyone here has any experience with a Rosetta Stone
 language program on a Linux box, either the web-based or the DVD
 program.  I want to (re)learn French, and most reviews suggest that
 Rosetta Stone is the best.

Here are the requirements for both versions:

http://www.rosettastone.com/global/support/system-requirements

It seems that Firefox 3 is supported so the online version should work.

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Re: [OT] Rosetta Stone language program on Linux?

2012-01-01 Thread Curt
On 2012-01-01, Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote:

 Or Vive l'Anglaise.  Which would give you the la if you insert an adjective:  
 Vive la belle Anglaise!


I'm all for the insertion of adjectives when it's a question of
a beautiful Englishwoman.


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Re: [OT] Rosetta Stone language program on Linux?

2011-12-31 Thread Don Juan

On 12/31/2011 12:16 PM, Patrick Wiseman wrote:

Hi:

I was wondering if anyone here has any experience with a Rosetta Stone
language program on a Linux box, either the web-based or the DVD
program.  I want to (re)learn French, and most reviews suggest that
Rosetta Stone is the best.

TIA

Patrick


I have no issues with the current version under wine. I would assume the 
web based would be of no issue since its running through the browser but 
could be wrong, no experience with that end of it. But I have a few 
languages installed. Funny you say French a friend of mine was just 
asking the same question in regards to this and French.


Good luck, if I had tips to offer I would but the install was simple and 
I had to do nothing extra or tweak to get it to work.




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Re: [OT] Rosetta Stone language program on Linux?

2011-12-31 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 01/01/12 07:16, Patrick Wiseman wrote:
 Hi:
 
 I was wondering if anyone here has any experience with a Rosetta Stone
 language program on a Linux box, either the web-based or the DVD
 program.  I want to (re)learn French, and most reviews suggest that
 Rosetta Stone is the best.
 
 TIA
 
 Patrick
 
 
Have you even tried the Google thingie?:-
http://www.google.com/search?q=rosetta+stone+linux

The company that sells the product says it only runs on Windoof - so
that leaves WINE. Rather than treat you as a total vegetable I'll let
you look that up yourself:-
http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=applicationiId=1867

Hint: Corkscrew



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Re: [OT] Rosetta Stone language program on Linux?

2011-12-31 Thread Lisi
On Saturday 31 December 2011 23:12:03 Scott Ferguson wrote:
 On 01/01/12 07:16, Patrick Wiseman wrote:
  Hi:
 
  I was wondering if anyone here has any experience with a Rosetta Stone
  language program on a Linux box, either the web-based or the DVD
  program.  I want to (re)learn French, and most reviews suggest that
  Rosetta Stone is the best.
 
  TIA
 
  Patrick

 Have you even tried the Google thingie?:-
 http://www.google.com/search?q=rosetta+stone+linux

 The company that sells the product says it only runs on Windoof - so
 that leaves WINE. Rather than treat you as a total vegetable I'll let
 you look that up yourself:-
 http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=applicationiId=1867

 Hint: Corkscrew



 Happy New Year, and good luck with studying

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I think that you may have misunderstood Patrick, and be doing him an 
injustice.  I think he was asking about people's experience of Rosetta Stone, 
not asking people to tell him how to find it.

I too would be interested to know how people have liked it - is it good, OK, 
effective, useless, etc.?

Lisi


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Re: [OT] Rosetta Stone language program on Linux?

2011-12-31 Thread Patrick Wiseman
On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 6:12 PM, Scott Ferguson
prettyfly.producti...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 01/01/12 07:16, Patrick Wiseman wrote:
 Hi:

 I was wondering if anyone here has any experience with a Rosetta Stone
 language program on a Linux box, either the web-based or the DVD
 program.  I want to (re)learn French, and most reviews suggest that
 Rosetta Stone is the best.

 TIA

 Patrick


 Have you even tried the Google thingie?:-
 http://www.google.com/search?q=rosetta+stone+linux

 The company that sells the product says it only runs on Windoof - so
 that leaves WINE. Rather than treat you as a total vegetable I'll let
 you look that up yourself:-
 http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=applicationiId=1867

Back off on the attitude, dude.  At the product website, it says it
runs on Windows AND Mac OS X, which (you may or may not know) is UN*X
underneath, so there was at least a chance it might run on Linux,
depending on what format the DVD uses.  (And the audio is MP3.)

Thanks for the help, anyway.

Patrick


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Re: [OT] Rosetta Stone language program on Linux?

2011-12-31 Thread Patrick Wiseman
On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 6:21 PM, Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Saturday 31 December 2011 23:12:03 Scott Ferguson wrote:
 On 01/01/12 07:16, Patrick Wiseman wrote:
  Hi:
 
  I was wondering if anyone here has any experience with a Rosetta Stone
  language program on a Linux box, either the web-based or the DVD
  program.  I want to (re)learn French, and most reviews suggest that
  Rosetta Stone is the best.
 
  TIA
 
  Patrick

 Have you even tried the Google thingie?:-
 http://www.google.com/search?q=rosetta+stone+linux

 The company that sells the product says it only runs on Windoof - so
 that leaves WINE. Rather than treat you as a total vegetable I'll let
 you look that up yourself:-
 http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=applicationiId=1867

 Hint: Corkscrew



 Happy New Year, and good luck with studying

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 I think that you may have misunderstood Patrick, and be doing him an
 injustice.  I think he was asking about people's experience of Rosetta Stone,
 not asking people to tell him how to find it.

That, too :)

Patrick


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Re: [OT] Rosetta Stone language program on Linux?

2011-12-31 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 01/01/12 10:21, Lisi wrote:
 On Saturday 31 December 2011 23:12:03 Scott Ferguson wrote:
 On 01/01/12 07:16, Patrick Wiseman wrote:
 Hi:

 I was wondering if anyone here has any experience with a Rosetta Stone
 language program on a Linux box, either the web-based or the DVD
 program.  I want to (re)learn French, and most reviews suggest that
 Rosetta Stone is the best.

 TIA

 Patrick

 Have you even tried the Google thingie?:-
 http://www.google.com/search?q=rosetta+stone+linux

 The company that sells the product says it only runs on Windoof - so
 that leaves WINE. Rather than treat you as a total vegetable I'll let
 you look that up yourself:-
 http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=applicationiId=1867

 Hint: Corkscrew



 Happy New Year, and good luck with studying

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 I think that you may have misunderstood Patrick, and be doing him an 
 injustice.  I think he was asking about people's experience of Rosetta Stone, 
 not asking people to tell him how to find it.

Google for linux rosetta stone and you get 283000+ results.

 
 I too would be interested to know how people have liked it - is it good, OK, 
 effective, useless, etc.?

I would hope the first thing you would do is a quick search to see if
it's supported before asking if it's worth running. I strongly
suspect/hope you'd also (if you didn't already speak French) try and
find a Linux equivalent.

 
 Lisi
 
 
According to the WINE database - the latest version is rated garbage.

If you want a review - I looked at an earlier version being used by a
relative and agreed with her that it was not very good (very
repetitive). Heavily advertised and expensive, and no where near as user
friendly or useful as the free BBC program.

Is that relevant given that a cursory search shows that the latest
version will not run under WINE.



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Re: [OT] Rosetta Stone language program on Linux?

2011-12-31 Thread Don Juan

On 12/31/2011 03:52 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote:

On 01/01/12 10:21, Lisi wrote:

On Saturday 31 December 2011 23:12:03 Scott Ferguson wrote:

On 01/01/12 07:16, Patrick Wiseman wrote:

Hi:

I was wondering if anyone here has any experience with a Rosetta Stone
language program on a Linux box, either the web-based or the DVD
program.  I want to (re)learn French, and most reviews suggest that
Rosetta Stone is the best.

TIA

Patrick

Have you even tried the Google thingie?:-
http://www.google.com/search?q=rosetta+stone+linux

The company that sells the product says it only runs on Windoof - so
that leaves WINE. Rather than treat you as a total vegetable I'll let
you look that up yourself:-
http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=applicationiId=1867

Hint: Corkscrew



Happy New Year, and good luck with studying

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I think that you may have misunderstood Patrick, and be doing him an
injustice.  I think he was asking about people's experience of Rosetta Stone,
not asking people to tell him how to find it.

Google for linux rosetta stone and you get 283000+ results.


I too would be interested to know how people have liked it - is it good, OK,
effective, useless, etc.?

I would hope the first thing you would do is a quick search to see if
it's supported before asking if it's worth running. I strongly
suspect/hope you'd also (if you didn't already speak French) try and
find a Linux equivalent.


Lisi



According to the WINE database - the latest version is rated garbage.

If you want a review - I looked at an earlier version being used by a
relative and agreed with her that it was not very good (very
repetitive). Heavily advertised and expensive, and no where near as user
friendly or useful as the free BBC program.

Is that relevant given that a cursory search shows that the latest
version will not run under WINE.
Not true :) Works great on my system with wine. I get the base free 
through work and any language extensions. I just keep updating the 
original install as they come out and have yet to run into any issues 
with it under wine. Though I am on sid based off a net-install running 
just openbox and run wine off the dev tree.


RS-V.4 works though not all languages are to that version yet
RS-V.3 works and all languages are supported.





Happy New Year


Quality of the overall program, its OK, it is in relation to how you 
learn I think. I would not say any of the ones I have completed have 
made me 100% fluent but I did get a deeper grasp of the studied 
languages. Some will find it works wonders others hate it due to their 
teaching style. Just like every teaching method out there.




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Re: [OT] Rosetta Stone language program on Linux?

2011-12-31 Thread Lisi
On Saturday 31 December 2011 23:52:56 Scott Ferguson wrote:
 I would hope the first thing you would do is a quick search to see if
 it's supported before asking if it's worth running. I strongly
 suspect/hope you'd also (if you didn't already speak French) try and
 find a Linux equivalent.

Yes, I am not about to go out and buy it!  But I am interested in computer 
landguage learning programs.  Ever since my son (then aged 14 or 15 and now 
aged 42) wrote a program to help himself to learn French vocabulary for his 
GCE.  He based it on an analysis of how I helped him, which he had found very 
effective.  He then did several adaptations for other languages for his 
friends.


Lisi


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Re: [OT] Rosetta Stone language program on Linux?

2011-12-31 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 01/01/12 11:07, Lisi wrote:
 On Saturday 31 December 2011 23:52:56 Scott Ferguson wrote:
 I would hope the first thing you would do is a quick search to see if
 it's supported before asking if it's worth running. I strongly
 suspect/hope you'd also (if you didn't already speak French) try and
 find a Linux equivalent.
 
 Yes, I am not about to go out and buy it!  But I am interested in computer 
 landguage learning programs.  Ever since my son (then aged 14 or 15 and now 
 aged 42) wrote a program to help himself to learn French vocabulary for his 
 GCE.  He based it on an analysis of how I helped him, which he had found very 
 effective.  He then did several adaptations for other languages for his 
 friends.
 
 
 Lisi
 
 
I can highly recommend the BBC courses as a start. Platform agnostic and
free:-
http://www.bbc.co.uk/languages/french/

There are a number of Open Source Linux programs that can assist with
learning French (and other foreign languages). Japanese is probably the
most supported foreign language, but French is also available. It'd be
nice if they had more users and development:-
Anki - flash card system with downloadable language packs
Mnemosyne - similar to Anki
Verbiste - conjugation system

There are a huge number of programs I haven't tried for memorization,
dictionaries, grammar, even pronunciation - and a number of subtitle
based video programs.

Best (for me), but not remotely Debian/Linux are immersion labs. I won't
promote them here but I've know several people who spoke very highly of
a 2 week course in the Loire Valley.


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Re: [OT] Rosetta Stone language program on Linux?

2011-12-31 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 01/01/12 11:06, Don Juan wrote:
 On 12/31/2011 03:52 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote:
 On 01/01/12 10:21, Lisi wrote:
 On Saturday 31 December 2011 23:12:03 Scott Ferguson wrote:
 On 01/01/12 07:16, Patrick Wiseman wrote:
 Hi:

 I was wondering if anyone here has any experience with a Rosetta Stone
 language program on a Linux box, either the web-based or the DVD
 program.  I want to (re)learn French, and most reviews suggest that
 Rosetta Stone is the best.

snipped


 According to the WINE database - the latest version is rated garbage.

 If you want a review - I looked at an earlier version being used by a
 relative and agreed with her that it was not very good (very
 repetitive). Heavily advertised and expensive, and no where near as user
 friendly or useful as the free BBC program.

 Is that relevant given that a cursory search shows that the latest
 version will not run under WINE.
 Not true :) Works great on my system with wine. I get the base free
 through work and any language extensions. I just keep updating the
 original install as they come out and have yet to run into any issues
 with it under wine. Though I am on sid based off a net-install running
 just openbox and run wine off the dev tree.
 
 RS-V.4 works though not all languages are to that version yet
 RS-V.3 works and all languages are supported.

Then please update the WINE database entry/ies:-
http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=versioniId=21655

NOTE: V3 is rated gold - it's the latest supported version that's rated
garbage. I've no idea if PlayOnLinux has a helper file for it.

 



 Happy New Year
 
 Quality of the overall program, its OK, it is in relation to how you
 learn I think. I would not say any of the ones I have completed have
 made me 100% fluent but I did get a deeper grasp of the studied
 languages. Some will find it works wonders others hate it due to their
 teaching style. Just like every teaching method out there.
 
 
 

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Re: [OT] Rosetta Stone language program on Linux?

2011-12-31 Thread Patrick Wiseman
On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 8:09 PM, Scott Ferguson
prettyfly.producti...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 01/01/12 11:07, Lisi wrote:
 On Saturday 31 December 2011 23:52:56 Scott Ferguson wrote:
 I would hope the first thing you would do is a quick search to see if
 it's supported before asking if it's worth running. I strongly
 suspect/hope you'd also (if you didn't already speak French) try and
 find a Linux equivalent.

 Yes, I am not about to go out and buy it!  But I am interested in computer
 landguage learning programs.  Ever since my son (then aged 14 or 15 and now
 aged 42) wrote a program to help himself to learn French vocabulary for his
 GCE.  He based it on an analysis of how I helped him, which he had found very
 effective.  He then did several adaptations for other languages for his
 friends.


 Lisi


 I can highly recommend the BBC courses as a start. Platform agnostic and
 free:-
 http://www.bbc.co.uk/languages/french/

Thanks for that link; as an English expatriate, I should have thought
of the BBC first!

Patrick


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Re: [OT] Rosetta Stone language program on Linux?

2011-12-31 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 01/01/12 10:35, Patrick Wiseman wrote:
 On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 6:12 PM, Scott Ferguson
 prettyfly.producti...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 01/01/12 07:16, Patrick Wiseman wrote:
 Hi:

 I was wondering if anyone here has any experience with a Rosetta Stone
 language program on a Linux box, either the web-based or the DVD
 program. �I want to (re)learn French, and most reviews suggest that
 Rosetta Stone is the best.

snipped

 At the product website, it says it
 runs on Windows AND Mac OS X, which (you may or may not know) is UN*X
 underneath, so there was at least a chance it might run on Linux,
 depending on what format the DVD uses.  (And the audio is MP3.)

DVD format is not the problem.

Large chunks of OSX are based on NeXT/FreeBSD - so maybe, with some
work, it'll run on Debian KFreeBSD. I suspect Cocoa would need some
coaxing though.
I'm just guessing - but I'd suggest you don't buy the software on the
strength of OSX == Unix (a posix *certification*), therefore as Debian
== posix compliant == OSX software will run on it.

Reading the DVD shouldn't be a problem - AFAIK Debian Linux can read all
the same DVD books as OSX and Windoof. Windoof might still have problems
with Rockridge - Debian Linux doesn't.

 
 Thanks for the help, anyway.
 
 Patrick
 
 

Almost certainly VirtualBox will allow you to run the software *within*
Debian.


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Re: [OT] Rosetta Stone language program on Linux?

2011-12-31 Thread Patrick Wiseman
On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 11:08 PM, Scott Ferguson
prettyfly.producti...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 01/01/12 10:35, Patrick Wiseman wrote:
 On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 6:12 PM, Scott Ferguson
 prettyfly.producti...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 01/01/12 07:16, Patrick Wiseman wrote:
 Hi:

 I was wondering if anyone here has any experience with a Rosetta Stone
 language program on a Linux box, either the web-based or the DVD
 program. �I want to (re)learn French, and most reviews suggest that
 Rosetta Stone is the best.

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 At the product website, it says it
 runs on Windows AND Mac OS X, which (you may or may not know) is UN*X
 underneath, so there was at least a chance it might run on Linux,
 depending on what format the DVD uses.  (And the audio is MP3.)

 DVD format is not the problem.

 Large chunks of OSX are based on NeXT/FreeBSD - so maybe, with some
 work, it'll run on Debian KFreeBSD. I suspect Cocoa would need some
 coaxing though.
 I'm just guessing - but I'd suggest you don't buy the software on the
 strength of OSX == Unix (a posix *certification*), therefore as Debian
 == posix compliant == OSX software will run on it.

I wasn't going to BUY it on that basis; I asked if anyone here had
experience with it on that basis.  And, obviously, I know that OS X
software doesn't just run on Linux.  I think you take me for an
idiot; I'm not.

Patrick


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