Re: Can't run apps as root in KDE
On Sat, 02 Jul 2011 11:42:13 +0900, Osamu Aoki wrote: On Fri, Jul 01, 2011 at 12:07:25PM -0700, T Elcor wrote: Am having problems running KDE apps as root. (...) I do not know about exact reason why but... Generally, it is bad idea to run desktop application as root. So application system may put some checks and prevent you to run as root. This is due to security concern. There can be zillion of reasons to run an application as root so I hope this options is still available. It is also possible to run a full DE session under root, but that's another story. Why do this? I see no reason to overcome this security measure. What security measure? Can you please expand that? Is there something at kde that changed and users need to know? Since years I've been instructed in running kdesu or gksu as the recommended way for doing it so, what's wrong with this? Is there a new tool that supersedes it? FYI: If you are doing this for debug purpose, you can change user on console using su or sudo under proper configuration done from root. When switching to root, you need to preserve environment to get connected to X, as you might have known. Running a X app after su - has been failing for some time, I'm afraid this is not an option anymore. stt008:~# firefox Error: no display specified stt008:~# LANG=POSIX; gedit cannot open display: Run 'gedit --help' to see a full list of available command line options. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.07.02.08.40...@gmail.com
Re: Can't run apps as root in KDE
Hi, I have to admit that for some desktop system with passwordless sudo policy, you may not gain much security advantage by not using root, since your user account is practically root in terms of security... On Sat, Jul 02, 2011 at 08:40:31AM +, Camaleón wrote: On Sat, 02 Jul 2011 11:42:13 +0900, Osamu Aoki wrote: On Fri, Jul 01, 2011 at 12:07:25PM -0700, T Elcor wrote: Am having problems running KDE apps as root. (...) I do not know about exact reason why but... Generally, it is bad idea to run desktop application as root. So application system may put some checks and prevent you to run as root. This is due to security concern. There can be zillion of reasons to run an application as root so I hope this options is still available. There are reason to run some system configuration applications as root but this does not require you to login as root to X via kdm/gdm/ I do not think firefox is type of program requring root... It is also possible to run a full DE session under root, but that's another story. Why do this? I see no reason to overcome this security measure. What security measure? Can you please expand that? If you get compromised for an user account, the attacker can not do bad things beyond that account if it does not gain root. If the attacker gets to do thing as root, that is the worst thing you want to have. You never know remote site accessed by firefox may contain page contents which tries to exploit security hole of firefox before they are fixed. Is there something at kde that changed and users need to know? Since years I've been instructed in running kdesu or gksu as the recommended way for doing it so, At least, Debian Reference says http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch07.en.html (Yes, that's me.) what's wrong with this? Is there a new tool that supersedes it? For system administration GUI packages, these are GUI frontend to invoke them. Nothing supersede them but there are other tools if you know how. Googling running desktop as root security seems to indicate people tends to do this for desktop. http://www.micro-hard.dreamhosters.com/root_GUI_login/ This guy seems to be knowledgeable enough and doing this just for fun while knowing its risks. Maybe his old page may give you idea. For me, I have no reason to use root_GUI_login since I can do everything I need without it. Every tiny bits count when it comes to security. FYI: If you are doing this for debug purpose, you can change user on console using su or sudo under proper configuration done from root. When switching to root, you need to preserve environment to get connected to X, as you might have known. Running a X app after su - has been failing for some time, I'm afraid this is not an option anymore. stt008:~# firefox Error: no display specified try su -p ;firefox. I wrote the above after double checking this works now for firefox still :-) This is because values of the old user's $XAUTHORITY and $DISPLAY environment variables must be copied to the new user's ones. Do not try to peek into unsafe URLs. Anyway, please think twice before playing with fire. Osamu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110702095711.ga5...@debian.org
Re: Can't run apps as root in KDE
On Sat, 02 Jul 2011 18:57:11 +0900, Osamu Aoki wrote: I have to admit that for some desktop system with passwordless sudo policy, you may not gain much security advantage by not using root, since your user account is practically root in terms of security... ¿? On Sat, Jul 02, 2011 at 08:40:31AM +, Camaleón wrote: Generally, it is bad idea to run desktop application as root. So application system may put some checks and prevent you to run as root. This is due to security concern. There can be zillion of reasons to run an application as root so I hope this options is still available. There are reason to run some system configuration applications as root but this does not require you to login as root to X via kdm/gdm/ No one said nothing about login as root but running an app as root. I do not think firefox is type of program requring root... I only have 2 users in my debian box: me and root. When I need to test if there is a configuration issue with the browser (or my Gnome profile), I launch it as root because it has an almost empty firefox profile. And it is also understandable that new users prefer to edit some files with Kwrite or Gedit instead by using another command line tools, though not a perfect way to make things. New users will learn this in their way to linux... Why do this? I see no reason to overcome this security measure. What security measure? Can you please expand that? If you get compromised for an user account, the attacker can not do bad things beyond that account if it does not gain root. If the attacker gets to do thing as root, that is the worst thing you want to have. You never know remote site accessed by firefox may contain page contents which tries to exploit security hole of firefox before they are fixed. I understand that, but I'm afraid we are not taking here about login into DE as root users but launching one application as root. Is there something at kde that changed and users need to know? Since years I've been instructed in running kdesu or gksu as the recommended way for doing it so, At least, Debian Reference says http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch07.en.html (Yes, that's me.) Should I need to focus in any specific section? Or to put it simple, is kdesu/gksu not recommended anymore? In such case, what is now the recommended way for launching a X application as root? Or is that there is no way? what's wrong with this? Is there a new tool that supersedes it? For system administration GUI packages, these are GUI frontend to invoke them. Nothing supersede them but there are other tools if you know how. Ah, that sounds better :-) Googling running desktop as root security seems to indicate people tends to do this for desktop. http://www.micro-hard.dreamhosters.com/root_GUI_login/ This guy seems to be knowledgeable enough and doing this just for fun while knowing its risks. Maybe his old page may give you idea. I will never recommend running a full KDE session as root user. But again, I think this is not the case we are talking about, unless I have understood it in the wrong way. For me, I have no reason to use root_GUI_login since I can do everything I need without it. Every tiny bits count when it comes to security. Roor login or launching an app as root? FYI: If you are doing this for debug purpose, you can change user on console using su or sudo under proper configuration done from root. When switching to root, you need to preserve environment to get connected to X, as you might have known. Running a X app after su - has been failing for some time, I'm afraid this is not an option anymore. stt008:~# firefox Error: no display specified try su -p ;firefox. It happens nothing in my lenny (I become root, but firefox is not launched). Maybe su -p and then run firefox but it keeps my user's setting that is not what I would need. I need root's ones. I wrote the above after double checking this works now for firefox still :-) This is because values of the old user's $XAUTHORITY and $DISPLAY environment variables must be copied to the new user's ones. Yes, but running in that way does not help for several cases. Do not try to peek into unsafe URLs. It's just for testing! Nobody will browse the web every day from a root's account. Anyway, please think twice before playing with fire. We need to play with fire... sometimes :-) Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.07.02.10.57...@gmail.com
Re: Can't run apps as root in KDE
On Friday 01 July 2011 21:07:25 T Elcor wrote: Hi, Am having problems running KDE apps as root. To reproduce: 1. Open the KDE Menu Editor 2. Setup a new app item (for example, copy and paste Konqueror to Konqueror-2) 3. Goto the Advanced tab and check the Run as a different user checkbox 4. Type root in the username box 5. Save changes 6. Run Konqueror-2 from the KDE Kickoff Application Laucher. Konqueror-2 shows up briefly in the applicaton panel at the bottom but it doesn't run. Any ideas? Thanks # uname -a Linux testbox 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Wed Jan 12 03:40:32 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux Tried rightnow under wheezy: Right click the KMenu thingie then Edit Applications... Add an new entry: Konqueror2 go to advance tab, run as root. Done It works here Thierry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201107021329.42477.tchate...@free.fr
Re: Can't run apps as root in KDE
Hi, On Sat, Jul 02, 2011 at 10:57:15AM +, Camaleón wrote: ... I only have 2 users in my debian box: me and root. You can create new account from GUI, too. When I need to test if there is a configuration issue with the browser (or my Gnome profile), I launch it as root because it has an almost empty firefox profile. And it is also understandable that new users prefer to edit some files with Kwrite or Gedit instead by using another command line tools, though not a perfect way to make things. New users will learn this in their way to linux... Goof to hear, it is purely for testing. maybe I was worried too much. But, if so, why not create an dummy user account? And use it for testing. It is a very good way to test upgrade issues with local configuration data. By using dummy account, removing it is very easy and will not cause lasting issues for your root account. Good luck, Osamu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110702131832.ga6...@debian.org
Re: Can't run apps as root in KDE
On Sat, 02 Jul 2011 22:18:32 +0900, Osamu Aoki wrote: On Sat, Jul 02, 2011 at 10:57:15AM +, Camaleón wrote: ... I only have 2 users in my debian box: me and root. You can create new account from GUI, too. Yes, and I was just talking from my POV and a concrete scenario. I know how dangeours can be running applications and the whole session from a root account. When I need to test if there is a configuration issue with the browser (or my Gnome profile), I launch it as root because it has an almost empty firefox profile. And it is also understandable that new users prefer to edit some files with Kwrite or Gedit instead by using another command line tools, though not a perfect way to make things. New users will learn this in their way to linux... Goof to hear, it is purely for testing. maybe I was worried too much. And your remainder to avoid it as much as possible is a very good advice we should not forget :-) But, if so, why not create an dummy user account? And use it for testing. It is a very good way to test upgrade issues with local configuration data. By using dummy account, removing it is very easy and will not cause lasting issues for your root account. I agree. On my testing machines I have setup many user accounts, besides the root and the usual one, each of one holding different setups and layouts (differenet locales, different desktop environments...). But there can be still the need, of let's say, launching gedit to make a change on a configuration file or running a program as root to discard a permissions issue and here, using a plain user account won't help. But again, I fully agree with your view, these have to be expecional cases -to make a quick test or when specific problem arises- and should not be done unless stricly need it. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.07.02.14.33...@gmail.com
Re: Can't run apps as root in KDE
On 07/01/11 at 03:20pm, T Elcor wrote: --- On Fri, 7/1/11, William Hopkins we.hopk...@gmail.com wrote: Try the same command from a terminal window, and see what errors you get. luser@testbox:~$ kdesu konqueror bash: kdesu: command not found luser@testbox:~$ whereis kdesu kdesu: /usr/share/man/man1/kdesu.1.gz luser@testbox:~$ which kdesu # dpkg -S kdesu kdebase-runtime: /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kdesu # ls -l /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kdesu -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 54720 Jul 20 2010 /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kdes It seems generally that your paths must be wrong since it is installed. What is your $PATH and can a KDE user compare to their own? The fact that neither which nor whereis return it is normal, FYI. Well, perhaps which should if your paths are correct. But whereis searches only certain directories. Also try running the command again with the full path, i.e. /`usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kdesu konqueror` just to ensure you have no other difficulties. -- Liam signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Can't run apps as root in KDE
--- On Fri, 7/1/11, Scott Ferguson prettyfly.producti...@gmail.com wrote: What you have described is not sufficient to enable a hidden menu entry. It is unclear to me that you followed all the steps I outlined, please confirm that you did the following. *Pay particular attention to step 2.* Yes, I missed the step 2. Now I've tried it and the File Manager - Super User Mode behaves seemingly in the same non-functional way, that is, shows up in the bottom launch panel like it's starting up, hangs there for about 15 secs, then shuts down/disappears. But it doesn't work. NOTE: for future reference - a command line suggestion prefaced by $ means run as user, # means run as root. it's a good idea to only run commands as root *when no other way is possible* ;-) Good point, I agree. Assumption: you're running Squeeze (from uname -r)?? # uname -a Linux testbox 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Wed Jan 12 03:40:32 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux Is that yes?? Yes, I'm running squeeze. Please post the entire, unmodified /etc/apt/sources.list $ cat /etc/apt/sources.list # # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux squeeze-di-rc2 _Squeeze_ - Official Snapshot amd64 NETINST Binary-1 20110121-20:07]/ squeeze main deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main ## add non-free to install: unrar deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze non-free # security updates deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main # Optionally install sources #deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main #deb-src http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main Also the output, if any, of:- $ dpkg --get-selections sudo $ dpkg --get-selections sudo No packages found matching sudo I remember there was a way to access Run as a different user functionality from the Alt+F2 feature (when you click on the wrench) but now it seems to have gone. ?? By the wrench I mean an icon that resembles the wrench, you can see it on the left side of the Alt+F2 window. As I remember, a while ago it was possible to run an app through Alt+F2 and specify Run As a different user settings. Once you selected an app to run you'd click on the similar looking wrench icon next to the selected app and it would open a new window where you'd specify Run As a different user settings. Now I can no longer find a way to do that. Perhaps they removed that plugin or whatever from Alt+F2. It seems generally that your paths must be wrong since it is installed. What is your $PATH and can a KDE user compare to their own? $ echo $PATH /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games Thanks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1309630545.64064.yahoomailclas...@web121916.mail.ne1.yahoo.com
Re: Can't run apps as root in KDE
--- On Fri, 7/1/11, Scott Ferguson prettyfly.producti...@gmail.com wrote: What you have described is not sufficient to enable a hidden menu entry. It is unclear to me that you followed all the steps I outlined, please confirm that you did the following. *Pay particular attention to step 2.* Yes, I missed the step 2. Now I've tried it and the File Manager - Super User Mode behaves seemingly in the same non-functional way, that is, shows up in the bottom launch panel like it's starting up, hangs there for about 15 secs, then shuts down/disappears. But it doesn't work. NOTE: for future reference - a command line suggestion prefaced by $ means run as user, # means run as root. it's a good idea to only run commands as root *when no other way is possible* ;-) Good point, I agree. Assumption: you're running Squeeze (from uname -r)?? # uname -a Linux testbox 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Wed Jan 12 03:40:32 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux Is that yes?? Yes, I'm running squeeze. Please post the entire, unmodified /etc/apt/sources.list $ cat /etc/apt/sources.list # # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux squeeze-di-rc2 _Squeeze_ - Official Snapshot amd64 NETINST Binary-1 20110121-20:07]/ squeeze main deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main ## add non-free to install: unrar deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze non-free # security updates deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main # Optionally install sources #deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main #deb-src http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main Also the output, if any, of:- $ dpkg --get-selections sudo $ dpkg --get-selections sudo No packages found matching sudo I remember there was a way to access Run as a different user functionality from the Alt+F2 feature (when you click on the wrench) but now it seems to have gone. ?? By the wrench I mean an icon that resembles the wrench, you can see it on the left side of the Alt+F2 window. As I remember, a while ago it was possible to run an app through Alt+F2 and specify Run As a different user settings. Once you selected an app to run you'd click on the similar looking wrench icon next to the selected app and it would open a new window where you'd specify Run As a different user settings. Now I can no longer find a way to do that. Perhaps they removed that plugin or whatever from Alt+F2. Anyway, I just discovered I can't run konqueror from Alt+F2 even without switching the user, with the similar non-functional effects: it starts, shows up in the app panel, hangs there for about 15 secs and then shuts down. Dolphin runs fine. Kwrite runs fine. Kate runs fine. Weird. I use konqueror every day, the only difference I start it by clicking on the respective System tray icon or from the Favorites menu. And it works fine. It seems generally that your paths must be wrong since it is installed. What is your $PATH and can a KDE user compare to their own? $ echo $PATH /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games Thanks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1309631265.46836.yahoomailclas...@web121910.mail.ne1.yahoo.com
Re: Can't run apps as root in KDE
--- On Sat, 7/2/11, T Elcor tel...@yahoo.com wrote: Anyway, I just discovered I can't run konqueror from Alt+F2 even without switching the user Never mind, it's fine. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1309632753.34957.yahoomailclas...@web121915.mail.ne1.yahoo.com
[SOLVED] Re: Can't run apps as root in KDE
--- On Fri, 7/1/11, T Elcor tel...@yahoo.com wrote: Am having problems running KDE apps as root. To reproduce: 1. Open the KDE Menu Editor 2. Setup a new app item (for example, copy and paste Konqueror to Konqueror-2) 3. Goto the Advanced tab and check the Run as a different user checkbox 4. Type root in the username box 5. Save changes 6. Run Konqueror-2 from the KDE Kickoff Application Laucher. Konqueror-2 shows up briefly in the applicaton panel at the bottom but it doesn't run. Considering that I was going to need a couple of apps from testing anyway, I decided to upgrade to testing/wheezy. After upgrade the procedure described above worked fine from the very first time, konqueror runs as root without any issues. Not sure why it didn't work in squeeze. Thanks to everybody for help. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1309645372.46770.yahoomailclas...@web121919.mail.ne1.yahoo.com
Re: Can't run apps as root in KDE
On 03/07/11 04:15, T Elcor wrote: --- On Fri, 7/1/11, Scott Ferguson prettyfly.producti...@gmail.com wrote: snipped Yes, I missed the step 2. Now I've tried it and the File Manager - Super User Mode behaves seemingly in the same non-functional way, that is, shows up in the bottom launch panel like it's starting up, hangs there for about 15 secs, then shuts down/disappears. But it doesn't work. Well, at least the problem is consistent :-) snipped Assumption: you're running Squeeze (from uname -r)?? # uname -a Linux testbox 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Wed Jan 12 03:40:32 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux Is that yes?? Yes, I'm running squeeze. Thanks Please post the entire, unmodified /etc/apt/sources.list $ cat /etc/apt/sources.list # # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux squeeze-di-rc2 _Squeeze_ - Official Snapshot amd64 NETINST Binary-1 20110121-20:07]/ squeeze main deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main ## add non-free to install: unrar deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze non-free # security updates deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main # Optionally install sources #deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main #deb-src http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main Looks normal - I was just checking in case you were using mixed repositories Also the output, if any, of:- $ dpkg --get-selections sudo $ dpkg --get-selections sudo No packages found matching sudo And yet you say it was originally enabled... (?) :-/ I remember there was a way to access Run as a different user functionality from the Alt+F2 feature (when you click on the wrench) but now it seems to have gone. ?? By the wrench I mean an icon that resembles the wrench, you can see it on the left side of the Alt+F2 window. As I remember, a while ago it was possible to run an app through Alt+F2 and specify Run As a different user settings. Once you selected an app to run you'd click on the similar looking wrench icon next to the selected app and it would open a new window where you'd specify Run As a different user settings. Now I can no longer find a way to do that. Perhaps they removed that plugin or whatever from Alt+F2. If I type konqueror into it - a drop-down list appears with konqueror in it - on the right-hand side of it is the wrench icon you refer to. http://ge.tt/9pOmkd5/v It seems generally that your paths must be wrong since it is installed. What is your $PATH and can a KDE user compare to their own? That was someone else's statement, not mine. Not saying it's incorrect, just that the thread is muddled. $ echo $PATH /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games Thanks For comparison, mine:- $ echo $PATH /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games $ groups scott disk dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev mlocate powerdev vboxusers clamav root's:- # echo $PATH /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin Regrettably I don't have time to pursue this at present. Some suggestions (shooting in the dark):- # dpkg-reconfigure libkdesu5 (the same with any other relevant packages likely to be misconfigured) Check /var/mail/user_name, /var/log Examine /etc/login.defs and /etc/pam.d for problems If you can determine when you lost the ability then examining dpkg logs might give you some clues. If, after that you're still stymied, enable su logging in /etc/login.defs and try using su. Eg.:- $ su Then check the su log. NOTE: kdesu no longer appears to be used, instead kde makes use of kdesu_stub refs:- man kdesu_stub Good luck. -- “You know, there were rumours of anti-Castro pigeons seen drinking in bars... Someone overhead them saying: - coup, coup” ~ Bill Hicks (on the Kennedy assassination) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4e0fe604.3000...@gmail.com
Re: Can't run apps as root in KDE
--- On Sat, 7/2/11, Scott Ferguson prettyfly.producti...@gmail.com wrote: Also the output, if any, of:- $ dpkg --get-selections sudo $ dpkg --get-selections sudo No packages found matching sudo And yet you say it was originally enabled... (?) :-/ Yes, it was working a while ago in squeeze and it's working now in wheezy, which I just upgraded to. In both cases sudo wasn't/isn't installed. ## Running wheezy now $ uname -a Linux textbox 2.6.39-2-amd64 #1 SMP Wed Jun 8 11:01:04 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux $ dpkg --get-selections sudo No packages found matching sudo. If I type konqueror into it - a drop-down list appears with konqueror in it - on the right-hand side of it is the wrench icon you refer to. http://ge.tt/9pOmkd5/v I see drop-down list, I see konqueror but the wrench is still not there for me, even on wheezy. Weird. Regrettably I don't have time to pursue this at present. Some suggestions (shooting in the dark):- I got it partially working so it's no longer critical, though ideally I'd like to find out what happened to my wrench in Alt+F2. Thanks for your help. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1309668160.59756.yahoomailclas...@web121909.mail.ne1.yahoo.com
Re: Can't run apps as root in KDE
On Friday 01 July 2011 20:07:25 T Elcor wrote: Hi, Am having problems running KDE apps as root. To reproduce: 1. Open the KDE Menu Editor 2. Setup a new app item (for example, copy and paste Konqueror to Konqueror-2) 3. Goto the Advanced tab and check the Run as a different user checkbox 4. Type root in the username box 5. Save changes 6. Run Konqueror-2 from the KDE Kickoff Application Laucher. Konqueror-2 shows up briefly in the applicaton panel at the bottom but it doesn't run. Any ideas? Thanks # uname -a Linux testbox 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Wed Jan 12 03:40:32 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux Have you tried; alt+F2 to get krunner (I think that it is called), then enter: kdesu application-that-you-want-to-run-as-root enter enter root password when asked. Does this cause the same problem? Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201107012144.34919.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Can't run apps as root in KDE
On Jul 1, 2011 3:07 PM, T Elcor tel...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, Am having problems running KDE apps as root. To reproduce: 1. Open the KDE Menu Editor 2. Setup a new app item (for example, copy and paste Konqueror to Konqueror-2) 3. Goto the Advanced tab and check the Run as a different user checkbox 4. Type root in the username box 5. Save changes 6. Run Konqueror-2 from the KDE Kickoff Application Laucher. Konqueror-2 shows up briefly in the applicaton panel at the bottom but it doesn't run. Any ideas? Thanks What happens if you leave the user blank? Not sure if that's the cause, but you shouldn't have to specify 'root'. # uname -a Linux testbox 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Wed Jan 12 03:40:32 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1309547245.52099.yahoomailclas...@web121911.mail.ne1.yahoo.com
Re: Can't run apps as root in KDE
--- On Fri, 7/1/11, eqisow eqi...@gmail.com wrote: Am having problems running KDE apps as root. To reproduce: 1. Open the KDE Menu Editor 2. Setup a new app item (for example, copy and paste Konqueror to Konqueror-2) 3. Goto the Advanced tab and check the Run as a different user checkbox 4. Type root in the username box 5. Save changes 6. Run Konqueror-2 from the KDE Kickoff Application Laucher. Konqueror-2 shows up briefly in the applicaton panel at the bottom but it doesn't run. Any ideas? Thanks What happens if you leave the user blank? Not sure if that's the cause, but you shouldn't have to specify 'root'. Removing root doesn't seem to change anything. Have you tried; alt+F2 to get krunner (I think that it is called), then enter: kdesu application-that-you-want-to-run-as-root enter When I do Alt+F2, then type kdesu konqueror (without quotes) and then try to press Enter nothing happens, pressing Enter doesn't seem to have any effect. Have you tried it yourself? Thanks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1309555077.6202.yahoomailclas...@web121907.mail.ne1.yahoo.com
Re: Can't run apps as root in KDE
On Friday 01 July 2011 22:17:57 T Elcor wrote: Have you tried; alt+F2 to get krunner (I think that it is called), then enter: kdesu application-that-you-want-to-run-as-root enter When I do Alt+F2, then type kdesu konqueror (without quotes) and then try to press Enter nothing happens, pressing Enter doesn't seem to have any effect. Have you tried it yourself? Yes - I use it all the time. Less convoluted IMHO! It is also possible to click on run instead of pressing enter - I'm just naturally lazy! - but I would not expect that to be different. So the answer to my question is yes, that method does have the same problem, you still can't run Konqueror etc. as root. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201107012232.10542.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Can't run apps as root in KDE
On 07/01/11 at 02:17pm, T Elcor wrote: When I do Alt+F2, then type kdesu konqueror (without quotes) and then try to press Enter nothing happens, pressing Enter doesn't seem to have any effect. Have you tried it yourself? Try the same command from a terminal window, and see what errors you get. -- Liam signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Can't run apps as root in KDE
Am Freitag, 1. Juli 2011 schrieb William Hopkins: On 07/01/11 at 02:17pm, T Elcor wrote: When I do Alt+F2, then type kdesu konqueror (without quotes) and then try to press Enter nothing happens, pressing Enter doesn't seem to have any effect. Have you tried it yourself? Try the same command from a terminal window, and see what errors you get. You can also try in konsole sux, then start konqueror. I believe sux must be installed as a package (it is an optimised su - wrapper). If it works with sux, try kdesu konqueror or gksu konqueror as normal user. Good luck! Hans -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201107012352.50378.hans.ullr...@loop.de
Re: Can't run apps as root in KDE
--- On Fri, 7/1/11, William Hopkins we.hopk...@gmail.com wrote: Try the same command from a terminal window, and see what errors you get. luser@testbox:~$ kdesu konqueror bash: kdesu: command not found luser@testbox:~$ whereis kdesu kdesu: /usr/share/man/man1/kdesu.1.gz luser@testbox:~$ which kdesu luser@testbox:~$ # dpkg -S kdesu kdebase-runtime: /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kdesu kdebase-runtime: /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kdesud libkdesu5: /usr/share/doc/libkdesu5/TODO.gz libkdesu5: /usr/share/doc/libkdesu5/changelog.Debian.gz libkdesu5: /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kdesu_stub libkdesu5: /usr/share/doc/libkdesu5/NEWS.Debian.gz libkdesu5: /usr/lib/libkdesu.so.5 libkdesu5: /usr/share/doc/libkdesu5/copyright kdebase-runtime-data: /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kdesu/common libkdesu5: /usr/share/doc/libkdesu5/README.gz kdebase-runtime-data: /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kdesu kdebase-runtime-data: /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kdesu/index.docbook kdebase-runtime-data: /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kdesu/man-kdesu.1.docbook kdebase-runtime-data: /usr/share/man/man1/kdesu.1.gz libkdesu5: /usr/share/doc/libkdesu5 libkdesu5: /usr/lib/libkdesu.so.5.4.0 kdebase-runtime-data: /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kdesu/index.cache.bz2 libkdesu5: /usr/share/doc/libkdesu5/AUTHORS # ls -l /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kdesu -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 54720 Jul 20 2010 /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kdes Thanks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1309558857.98784.yahoomailclas...@web121913.mail.ne1.yahoo.com
Re: Can't run apps as root in KDE
Hi, On Fri, Jul 01, 2011 at 12:07:25PM -0700, T Elcor wrote: Hi, Am having problems running KDE apps as root. To reproduce: 1. Open the KDE Menu Editor 2. Setup a new app item (for example, copy and paste Konqueror to Konqueror-2) 3. Goto the Advanced tab and check the Run as a different user checkbox 4. Type root in the username box 5. Save changes 6. Run Konqueror-2 from the KDE Kickoff Application Laucher. Konqueror-2 shows up briefly in the applicaton panel at the bottom but it doesn't run. Any ideas? Thanks I do not know about exact reason why but... Generally, it is bad idea to run desktop application as root. So application system may put some checks and prevent you to run as root. This is due to security concern. Why do this? I see no reason to overcome this security measure. Osamu FYI: If you are doing this for debug purpose, you can change user on console using su or sudo under proper configuration done from root. When switching to root, you need to preserve environment to get connected to X, as you might have known. # uname -a Linux testbox 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Wed Jan 12 03:40:32 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1309547245.52099.yahoomailclas...@web121911.mail.ne1.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110702024213.gc16...@debian.org
Re: Can't run apps as root in KDE
On 02/07/11 05:07, T Elcor wrote: Hi, Am having problems running KDE apps as root. To reproduce: 1. Open the KDE Menu Editor 2. Setup a new app item (for example, copy and paste Konqueror to Konqueror-2) 3. Goto the Advanced tab and check the Run as a different user checkbox 4. Type root in the username box 5. Save changes 6. Run Konqueror-2 from the KDE Kickoff Application Laucher. Konqueror-2 shows up briefly in the applicaton panel at the bottom but it doesn't run. Any ideas? Thanks # uname -a Linux testbox 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Wed Jan 12 03:40:32 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux Did you enable sudo during the install? *By default Squeeze KDE has a hidden konqueror as root menu entry* did you try that? :-) Right-click over the KMenu thingie, select Menu Editor Settings = Configure KDE Menu Editor = Misc = Tick Show hidden Entries = OK. In the left-hand pane expand System and then expand More Applications - see the File Manager Superuser mode ?? Untick Hidden entry Click on Save and close the Menu Editor KMenu = System = More Applications = File Manager - Superuser Mode If that fails to produce a password prompt please post the output of:- $ ls -alL /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kdesu Assumption: you're running Squeeze (from uname -r)?? Cheers -- “How come people always flip and think they're Jesus? Why not Buddha? Particularly in America, where more people resemble Buddha than Jesus. 'Ah'm BUDDHA!' 'You're Bubba!' 'Ah'm Buddha now..All I gotta do is change 3 letters on ma belt...' ” ~ Bill Hicks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4e0e8dab.1030...@gmail.com
Re: Can't run apps as root in KDE
--- On Fri, 7/1/11, Scott Ferguson prettyfly.producti...@gmail.com wrote: Did you enable sudo during the install? I had this functionality working a while ago (I use it only occasionally), but then it stopped working. Maybe it was a security update that killed it or perhaps something else. Something has changed. I remember there was a way to access Run as a different user functionality from the Alt+F2 feature (when you click on the wrench) but now it seems to have gone. *By default Squeeze KDE has a hidden konqueror as root menu entry* did you try that? :-) I enabled hidden items, saved the menu editor settings and even restarted KDE. Still the Kickoff Launcher doesn't show File Manager - Super User Mode item for me to run, so I can't run it. But the Launcher does show Konqueror-2 entry that I had a while back and then deleted. Where it still gets Konqueror-2 from I'm not sure. If that fails to produce a password prompt please post the output of:- $ ls -alL /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kdesu # ls -alL /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kdesu -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 54720 Jul 20 2010 /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kdesu Assumption: you're running Squeeze (from uname -r)?? # uname -a Linux testbox 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Wed Jan 12 03:40:32 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux Thanks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1309580440.88793.yahoomailclas...@web121911.mail.ne1.yahoo.com
Re: Can't run apps as root in KDE
On 02/07/11 14:20, T Elcor wrote: --- On Fri, 7/1/11, Scott Ferguson prettyfly.producti...@gmail.com wrote: Did you enable sudo during the install? I had this functionality working a while ago (I use it only occasionally), but then it stopped working. Maybe it was a security update that killed it or perhaps something else. Something has changed. Indeed... :-/ I remember there was a way to access Run as a different user functionality from the Alt+F2 feature (when you click on the wrench) but now it seems to have gone. ?? *By default Squeeze KDE has a hidden konqueror as root menu entry* did you try that? :-) I enabled hidden items, saved the menu editor settings and even restarted KDE. What you have described is not sufficient to enable a hidden menu entry. See my next comment. Still the Kickoff Launcher doesn't show File Manager - Super User Mode item for me to run, so I can't run it. It is unclear to me that you followed all the steps I outlined, please confirm that you did the following. *Pay particular attention to step 2.* Excerpt from my previous instructions, refer to them for context:- 1. In the left-hand pane expand System and then expand More Applications - *for the File Manager - Superuser mode entry*:- 2. Untick Hidden entry 3. Then Click on Save and close the Menu Editor But the Launcher does show Konqueror-2 entry that I had a while back and then deleted. Where it still gets Konqueror-2 from I'm not sure. From the new (copied) menu entry you created? That you can't see File Manager Superuser mode tends to suggest it's still configured to be hidden If that fails to produce a password prompt please post the output of:- $ ls -alL /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kdesu # ls -alL /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kdesu -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 54720 Jul 20 2010 /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kdesu So it's there. NOTE: for future reference - a command line suggestion prefaced by $ means run as user, # means run as root. Eg. I asked for the output of:- $ ls -alL /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kdesu You ran that command as root - *doesn't matter in this case*, but it's a good idea to only run commands as root *when no other way is possible* ;-) eg.:- scott@work:~$ ls -alL /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kdesu -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 47548 Jul 21 2010 /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kdesu Gives the same information without the risks. Assumption: you're running Squeeze (from uname -r)?? # uname -a Linux testbox 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Wed Jan 12 03:40:32 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux Is that yes?? Thanks Please post the entire, unmodified /etc/apt/sources.list Also the output, if any, of:- $ dpkg --get-selections sudo Cheers -- “How come people always flip and think they're Jesus? Why not Buddha? Particularly in America, where more people resemble Buddha than Jesus. 'Ah'm BUDDHA!' 'You're Bubba!' 'Ah'm Buddha now..All I gotta do is change 3 letters on ma belt...' ” ~ Bill Hicks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4e0ea4ed.5070...@gmail.com
