Re: Evolution doesn't receive messages in Debian 11.
On Thu, 2023-02-23 at 15:04 -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > You can probably use 'deb [arch=amd64,i386]' instead of duplicating > some of the sources. /etc/apt/sources uses deb [arch=amd64,i386]. The packages listed in /var/lib/apt/lists/*Packages are the ones that are installed.
Re: Evolution doesn't receive messages in Debian 11.
On Thu, Feb 23, 2023 at 2:47 PM Van Snyder wrote: > > On Thu, 2023-02-23 at 13:54 +1100, David wrote: > > The command I suggested reports packages whose origin is unknown to the apt > database. There's 118 of them in your output, including g++-9, many libs > and 6 kernels, pythons 2.7 and 3.9 and perl 5. > > My understanding of the origin = (installed locally) tags in that output is > that this means that the apt* tools are unable to manage updating of these > packages because it cannot associate them with a repository. > > So anything in future that involves/requires a change to any of these > packages will require you to do the dependency resolution yourself because > apt* won't be able to do that for you. > > Another way to see what repositories have been used on that machine is > to run: > ls /var/lib/apt/lists/*Packages > > It would also be interesting to see the output of that command if you wish > to share it. > > > /var/lib/apt/lists/apt.repos.intel.com_oneapi_dists_all_main_binary-all_Packages > /var/lib/apt/lists/apt.repos.intel.com_oneapi_dists_all_main_binary-amd64_Packages > /var/lib/apt/lists/apt.repos.intel.com_oneapi_dists_all_main_binary-i386_Packages > /var/lib/apt/lists/deb.debian.org_debian_dists_buster_contrib_binary-amd64_Packages > /var/lib/apt/lists/deb.debian.org_debian_dists_buster_contrib_binary-i386_Packages > /var/lib/apt/lists/deb.debian.org_debian_dists_buster_main_binary-amd64_Packages > /var/lib/apt/lists/deb.debian.org_debian_dists_buster_main_binary-i386_Packages > /var/lib/apt/lists/deb.debian.org_debian_dists_buster_non-free_binary-amd64_Packages > /var/lib/apt/lists/deb.debian.org_debian_dists_buster_non-free_binary-i386_Packages > /var/lib/apt/lists/deb.debian.org_debian_dists_buster-updates_main_binary-amd64_Packages > /var/lib/apt/lists/deb.debian.org_debian_dists_buster-updates_main_binary-amd64_Packages.diff_Index > /var/lib/apt/lists/deb.debian.org_debian_dists_buster-updates_main_binary-i386_Packages > /var/lib/apt/lists/deb.debian.org_debian_dists_buster-updates_main_binary-i386_Packages.diff_Index > /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_bookworm_main_binary-amd64_Packages > /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_bookworm_main_binary-amd64_Packages.diff_Index > /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_bookworm_main_binary-i386_Packages > /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_bookworm_main_binary-i386_Packages.diff_Index > /var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_debian-security_dists_buster_updates_main_binary-amd64_Packages > /var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_debian-security_dists_buster_updates_main_binary-i386_Packages > > I still have some 32-bit codes that I don't have source for, so I can't > compile them, so I still need both i386 and amd64 packages. Regarding i386 and x86_64, see https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO . I'm not sure how up-to-date it is. You can probably use 'deb [arch=amd64,i386]' instead of duplicating some of the sources. Jeff
Re: Evolution doesn't receive messages in Debian 11.
On Thu, 2023-02-23 at 13:54 +1100, David wrote: > The command I suggested reports packages whose origin is unknown to > the apt > database. There's 118 of them in your output, including g++-9, many > libs > and 6 kernels, pythons 2.7 and 3.9 and perl 5. > > My understanding of the origin = (installed locally) tags in that > output is > that this means that the apt* tools are unable to manage updating of > these > packages because it cannot associate them with a repository. > > So anything in future that involves/requires a change to any of these > packages will require you to do the dependency resolution yourself > because > apt* won't be able to do that for you. > > Another way to see what repositories have been used on that machine > is > to run: > ls /var/lib/apt/lists/*Packages > > It would also be interesting to see the output of that command if you > wish > to share it. /var/lib/apt/lists/apt.repos.intel.com_oneapi_dists_all_main_binary- all_Packages /var/lib/apt/lists/apt.repos.intel.com_oneapi_dists_all_main_binary- amd64_Packages /var/lib/apt/lists/apt.repos.intel.com_oneapi_dists_all_main_binary- i386_Packages /var/lib/apt/lists/deb.debian.org_debian_dists_buster_contrib_binary- amd64_Packages /var/lib/apt/lists/deb.debian.org_debian_dists_buster_contrib_binary- i386_Packages /var/lib/apt/lists/deb.debian.org_debian_dists_buster_main_binary- amd64_Packages /var/lib/apt/lists/deb.debian.org_debian_dists_buster_main_binary- i386_Packages /var/lib/apt/lists/deb.debian.org_debian_dists_buster_non-free_binary- amd64_Packages /var/lib/apt/lists/deb.debian.org_debian_dists_buster_non-free_binary- i386_Packages /var/lib/apt/lists/deb.debian.org_debian_dists_buster- updates_main_binary-amd64_Packages /var/lib/apt/lists/deb.debian.org_debian_dists_buster- updates_main_binary-amd64_Packages.diff_Index /var/lib/apt/lists/deb.debian.org_debian_dists_buster- updates_main_binary-i386_Packages /var/lib/apt/lists/deb.debian.org_debian_dists_buster- updates_main_binary-i386_Packages.diff_Index /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_bookworm_main_binary-amd64_Packages /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_bookworm_main_binary-amd64_Packages.diff_Index /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_bookworm_main_binary-i386_Packages /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_bookworm_main_binary-i386_Packages.diff_Index /var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_debian- security_dists_buster_updates_main_binary-amd64_Packages /var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_debian- security_dists_buster_updates_main_binary-i386_Packages I still have some 32-bit codes that I don't have source for, so I can't compile them, so I still need both i386 and amd64 packages.
Re: Evolution doesn't receive messages in Debian 11.
On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 at 12:51, Van Snyder wrote: > On Thu, 2023-02-23 at 11:39 +1100, David wrote: > On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 at 09:21, Van Snyder wrote: > On Wed, 2023-02-22 at 16:13 -0500, Dan Ritter wrote: > Van Snyder wrote: > You are mixing way too many things here. Better tell us the > contents of all your /etc/apt/sources.list and > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* files. > opm-ubuntu-ppa-kinetic.list > opm-ubuntu-ppa-kinetic.list.save > skype-stable.list > skype-stable.list.save > > I have a line for > deb [arch=amd64,i386] https://apt.repos.intel.com/oneapi all main > > but there is also a file /etc/apt/sources.list/Intel/oneAPI.list that has > the same line. > > Moving everything from /etc/apt/sources.list.d to > /etc/apt/save.sources.list.d makes the update and dist-upgrade appear to > work without complaint. > What output do you see for this command: > aptitude search '~i' -F '%p %O#' | grep -v Debian > Output is attached. (sorry for the broken quotes above) I will attempt to comment on the results, but many people here are much more competent with apt* tools than I am, so I hope they will comment also. The command I suggested reports packages whose origin is unknown to the apt database. There's 118 of them in your output, including g++-9, many libs and 6 kernels, pythons 2.7 and 3.9 and perl 5. My understanding of the origin = (installed locally) tags in that output is that this means that the apt* tools are unable to manage updating of these packages because it cannot associate them with a repository. So anything in future that involves/requires a change to any of these packages will require you to do the dependency resolution yourself because apt* won't be able to do that for you. Another way to see what repositories have been used on that machine is to run: ls /var/lib/apt/lists/*Packages It would also be interesting to see the output of that command if you wish to share it.
Re: Evolution doesn't receive messages in Debian 11.
On Thu, 2023-02-23 at 11:39 +1100, David wrote: > On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 at 09:21, Van Snyder > wrote: > > On Wed, 2023-02-22 at 16:13 -0500, Dan Ritter wrote: > > Van Snyder wrote: > > > You are mixing way too many things here. Better tell us the > > contents of all your /etc/apt/sources.list and > > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* files. > > > opm-ubuntu-ppa-kinetic.list > > opm-ubuntu-ppa-kinetic.list.save > > > > skype-stable.list > > skype-stable.list.save > > > > I have a line for > > > > deb [arch=amd64,i386] https://apt.repos.intel.com/oneapi all main > > > > but there is also a file /etc/apt/sources.list/Intel/oneAPI.list > > that has > > the same line. > > > > Moving everything from /etc/apt/sources.list.d to > > /etc/apt/save.sources.list.d makes the update and dist-upgrade > > appear to > > work without complaint. > > Worth reading: > https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian > > > Hopefully, that will cure the problems. > > Fixing your sources.list isn't going to uninstall all your > non-Debian packages. Which might cause problems > in future, per the above wiki page. > > What output do you see for this command: > aptitude search '~i' -F '%p %O#' | grep -v Debian Output is attached. cpp-9 (installed locally) crda (installed locally) edrawmax (installed locally) freeglut3 (installed locally) g++-9 (installed locally) gcc-9 (installed locally) gcc-9-base (installed locally) gfortran-9 (installed locally) hddtemp (installed locally) igfxdcd (installed locally) libabsl20200923 (installed locally) libaom0 (installed locally) libasan5 (installed locally) libavcodec58 (installed locally) libavdevice58 (installed locally) libavfilter7 (installed locally) libavformat58 (installed locally) libavif9 (installed locally) libavresample4 (installed locally) libavutil56 (installed locally) libcfitsio9 (installed locally) libcodec2-0.9 (installed locally) libdav1d4 (installed locally) libdns-export1110 (installed locally) libffi7 (installed locally) libflac8 (installed locally) libfwupdplugin1 (installed locally) libgav1-0 (installed locally) libgcc-9-dev (installed locally) libgfortran-9-dev (installed locally) libicu67 (installed locally) libidn11 (installed locally) libigdgmm11 (installed locally) libigdgmm11:i386 (installed locally) libilmbase25 (installed locally) libisc-export1105 (installed locally) libjim0.79 (installed locally) libjsoncpp24 (installed locally) libkf5screen7 (installed locally) libldap-2.4-2 (installed locally) libldap-2.4-2:i386 (installed locally) libmalcontent-ui-0-0 (installed locally) libnautilus-extension1a (installed locally) libnetpbm10 (installed locally) libnetpbm10-dev (installed locally) libntfs-3g883 (installed locally) libokular5core9 (installed locally) libopenexr25 (installed locally) libotf0 (installed locally) libperl5.32 (installed locally) libphodav-2.0-0 (installed locally) libphodav-2.0-common (installed locally) libplacebo72 (installed locally) libpoppler102 (installed locally) libpostproc55 (installed locally) libproj19 (installed locally) libprotobuf-lite23 (installed locally) libpython2-stdlib (installed locally) libpython2.7-minimal (installed locally) libpython2.7-stdlib (installed locally) libpython3.9 (installed locally) libpython3.9-minimal (installed locally) libpython3.9-stdlib (installed locally) libqalculate20 (installed locally) libruby2.7 (installed locally) libsrt1.4-gnutls (installed locally) libssl1.1 (installed locally) libssl1.1:i386 (installed locally) libstdc++-9-dev (installed locally) libswresample3 (installed locally) libswscale5 (installed locally) libtesseract4 (installed locally) libtiff5 (installed locally) libtiff5:i386 (installed locally) libvpx6 (installed locally) libwebkit2gtk-4.0-37-gtk2 (installed locally) libwebp6 (installed locally) libwebp6:i386 (installed locally) libwxbase3.0-0v5 (installed locally) libwxgtk3.0-gtk3-0v5 (installed locally) libx264-160 (installed locally) libx265-192 (installed locally) libxmlb1 (installed locally) linux-compiler-gcc-10-x86 (installed locally) linux-headers-4.19.0-10-common (installed locally) linux-headers-4.19.0-12-common (installed locally) linux-headers-4.19.0-9-common (installed locally) linux-headers-5.10.0-10-amd64 (installed locally) linux-headers-5.10.0-10-common (installed locally) linux-headers-5.10.0-13-amd64 (installed locally) linux-headers-5.10.0-13-common (installed locally) linux-headers-5.10.0-16-amd64 (installed locally) linux-headers-5.10.0-16-common (installed locally) linux-headers-5.10.0-18-amd64 (installed locally) linux-headers-5.10.0-18-common (installed locally) linux-headers-5.10.0-20-amd64 (installed locally) linux-headers-5.10.0-20-common (installed locally) linux-headers-5.10.0-9-amd64 (installed locally) linux-headers-5.10.0-9-common (installed locally) linux-image-5.10.0-10-amd64 (installed locally) linux-image-5.10.0-13-amd64 (installed locally) linux-image-5.10.0-16-amd64 (installed locally) linux-image-5.10.0-18-amd64 (installed locally)
Re: Evolution doesn't receive messages in Debian 11.
Hi Van Snyder You replied to my mailing list message by sending a file attachment directly to me only. It would be better if you send that information to the mailing list, so that other readers are not excluded from seeing your reply, and you can benefit from group discussion.
Re: Evolution doesn't receive messages in Debian 11.
On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 at 09:21, Van Snyder wrote: > On Wed, 2023-02-22 at 16:13 -0500, Dan Ritter wrote: > Van Snyder wrote: > You are mixing way too many things here. Better tell us the > contents of all your /etc/apt/sources.list and > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* files. > opm-ubuntu-ppa-kinetic.list > opm-ubuntu-ppa-kinetic.list.save > > skype-stable.list > skype-stable.list.save > > I have a line for > > deb [arch=amd64,i386] https://apt.repos.intel.com/oneapi all main > > but there is also a file /etc/apt/sources.list/Intel/oneAPI.list that has > the same line. > > Moving everything from /etc/apt/sources.list.d to > /etc/apt/save.sources.list.d makes the update and dist-upgrade appear to > work without complaint. Worth reading: https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian > Hopefully, that will cure the problems. Fixing your sources.list isn't going to uninstall all your non-Debian packages. Which might cause problems in future, per the above wiki page. What output do you see for this command: aptitude search '~i' -F '%p %O#' | grep -v Debian
Re: Evolution doesn't receive messages in Debian 11.
On Wed, 2023-02-22 at 16:13 -0500, Dan Ritter wrote: > Van Snyder wrote: > > You are mixing way too many things here. Better tell us the > contents of all your /etc/apt/sources.list and > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* files. > > -dsr- Dan: Thanks for the reminder to look in /etc/apt/sources.d I hadn't put any files there, but apparently the half-vast upgrade added some ubuntu sources. opm-ubuntu-ppa-kinetic.list opm-ubuntu-ppa-kinetic.list.save and some installation, long ago, added skype-stable.list skype-stable.list.save I have a line for deb [arch=amd64,i386] https://apt.repos.intel.com/oneapi all main but there is also a file /etc/apt/sources.list/Intel/oneAPI.list that has the same line. Moving everything from /etc/apt/sources.list.d to /etc/apt/save.sources.list.d makes the update and dist-upgrade appear to work without complaint. Hopefully, that will cure the problems. Except I just noticed I have no sound. My NVidia graphics card has sound, and there's Intel sound on the main board. The audio icon in my KDE task bar says there are no devices. How do I know which driver is actually running, if any? Thanks, Van
Re: Evolution doesn't receive messages in Debian 11.
Van Snyder wrote: > On Tue, 2023-02-21 at 15:42 -0600, David Wright wrote: > > On Wed 22 Feb 2023 at 06:34:27 (+1000), David wrote: > > > On Tue, 2023-02-21 at 12:09 -0800, Van Snyder wrote: > > > > > > > > When I installed Debian 11, I didn't destroy Debian 10. I still > > > > have > > > > Debian 10 on a different drive. In attempting to repair an > > > > entirely > > > > different problem, I had done > > > > > > > > apt-get update; apt-get upgrade > > > > > > One of the reasons I prefer aptitude's `safe-upgrade'. > > > > That's the equivalent command, and would not protect you. It will > > upgrade everything that doesn't involve a new package, but nothing > > else, hence the mish-mash of Debian 10 and 11. > > > > If you want keep an old system around, you need to make sure that the > > sources.list has the correct version's proper name in it, ie buster > > in your case. And if you're later going to use it at all, you need > > to keep it updated with those two commands. > > > > > > Does anybody have any suggestions to repair it? > > > > As others have suggested, the easiest is probably to: > > > > # apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade > > apt-get update doesn't work: > > ... > Err:11 http://ppa.launchpad.net/opm/ppa/ubuntu kinetic Release > 404 Not Found [IP: 185.125.190.52 80] > ... > Reading package lists... Done > W: https://apt.repos.intel.com/oneapi/dists/all/InRelease: Key is > stored in legacy trusted.gpg keyring (/etc/apt/trusted.gpg), see the > DEPRECATION section in apt-key(8) for details. > E: The repository 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/opm/ppa/ubuntu kinetic > Release' does not have a Release file. > N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is > therefore disabled by default. > N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user > configuration details. You are mixing way too many things here. Better tell us the contents of all your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* files. -dsr-
Re: Evolution doesn't receive messages in Debian 11.
On Wed, 2023-02-22 at 06:07 +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Tue, Feb 21, 2023 at 12:09:30PM -0800, Van Snyder wrote: > > I just upgraded to Debian 11. I had been using Debian 10. I've used > > Evolution for many years. The version in Debian 11 is 3.48. > > > > I use KDE Plasma version 5.26.90. The KDE Frameworks version is > > 5.102.0. > > > > I get pop-up notes from KDE that evolution has received new > > messages. > > Possibly a secondary thing: no messages -> no popup. > > > But the messages don't appear in Evolution [...] > > Since the thread is trying to derail into whether "safe upgrade" > is somehow safer or not (spoiler: sometimes, but here most probably > irrelevant; alas, that's how we nerds are ;)... > > I have no clue with Evolution, but it might help those helping you > to tell us how Evolution is "getting" its mails. > > My hunch would be that it is set up to fetch its mails from the > server (how? IMAP? POP3?). Evolution is using imap to receive mail. I can read the messages on the server in Firefox. I can read the messages in Evolution if I run evolution in the messed-up bastardized Debian 10/11, but when I run a pure newly-installed Debian 11, thats when Evolution doesn't display the messages that KDE has announced have arrived. My Evolution is set up to read several accounts. The same problem affects all of them. I haven't tried Thunderbird. > It would be useful to try to debug this process. Again, I've never > touched Evolution in my life, but here [1] is a nice debugging guide > which might help getting things started. > > Now let's hope to get back on topic and perhaps some Evolution guru > chimes in. > > Cheers > > [1] https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Evolution/Debugging
Re: Evolution doesn't receive messages in Debian 11.
On Tue, 2023-02-21 at 15:42 -0600, David Wright wrote: > On Wed 22 Feb 2023 at 06:34:27 (+1000), David wrote: > > On Tue, 2023-02-21 at 12:09 -0800, Van Snyder wrote: > > > > > > When I installed Debian 11, I didn't destroy Debian 10. I still > > > have > > > Debian 10 on a different drive. In attempting to repair an > > > entirely > > > different problem, I had done > > > > > > apt-get update; apt-get upgrade > > > > One of the reasons I prefer aptitude's `safe-upgrade'. > > That's the equivalent command, and would not protect you. It will > upgrade everything that doesn't involve a new package, but nothing > else, hence the mish-mash of Debian 10 and 11. > > If you want keep an old system around, you need to make sure that the > sources.list has the correct version's proper name in it, ie buster > in your case. And if you're later going to use it at all, you need > to keep it updated with those two commands. > > > > Does anybody have any suggestions to repair it? > > As others have suggested, the easiest is probably to: > > # apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade apt-get update doesn't work: ... Err:11 http://ppa.launchpad.net/opm/ppa/ubuntu kinetic Release 404 Not Found [IP: 185.125.190.52 80] ... Reading package lists... Done W: https://apt.repos.intel.com/oneapi/dists/all/InRelease: Key is stored in legacy trusted.gpg keyring (/etc/apt/trusted.gpg), see the DEPRECATION section in apt-key(8) for details. E: The repository 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/opm/ppa/ubuntu kinetic Release' does not have a Release file. N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default. N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details. > which will take it up to stable ≡ bullseye. > > Then edit the sources.list and change stable → bullseye. > And do the same edit to the system that was already Debian 11. > > In a few ?weeks, you can decide which of the two drives you want to > upgrade to Debian 12 ≡ bookworm, and leave the other as Debian 11, > upgradeable /safely/ as Debian 11. > > Cheers, > David. >
Re: Evolution doesn't receive messages in Debian 11.
Hello, Le mardi 21 février 2023 à 12:09 -0800, Van Snyder a écrit : > I just upgraded to Debian 11. I had been using Debian 10. I've used > Evolution for many years. The version in Debian 11 is 3.48. Evolution in Debian Stable (11, Bullseye) is 3.38 [...] > But the messages don't appear in Evolution. [...] > When I installed Debian 11, I didn't destroy Debian 10. [...] > . Now, in > Debian 10, there's a mish-mash of Debian 11 parts. Evolution is > version 3.46. [...] Indeed, from the source of your e-mail, you are using Evolution 3.46. That's probably your main problem: if I am not wrong, your Debian installation is neither plain Debian 10 (Oldstable) nor plain Debian 11 (Stable) but partially or totally Debian Testing or Debian Unstable with scories of Debian 10 and 11. Evolution 3.46 is not available from Stable or Oldstable repos, only from Testing and Unstable repos. https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian Then probably your best choice would be: - riskier: to convert your installation to Testing or Unstable (depending on what is installed on your system) - safer: to reinstall Debian 11 Stable properly, because trying to downgrade Debian form Testing or Unstable is not supported and even if you manage to do it, it is likely to cause later undesired side-effects
Re: Evolution doesn't receive messages in Debian 11.
On Tue, Feb 21, 2023 at 12:09:30PM -0800, Van Snyder wrote: > I just upgraded to Debian 11. I had been using Debian 10. I've used > Evolution for many years. The version in Debian 11 is 3.48. > > I use KDE Plasma version 5.26.90. The KDE Frameworks version is > 5.102.0. > > I get pop-up notes from KDE that evolution has received new messages. Possibly a secondary thing: no messages -> no popup. > But the messages don't appear in Evolution [...] Since the thread is trying to derail into whether "safe upgrade" is somehow safer or not (spoiler: sometimes, but here most probably irrelevant; alas, that's how we nerds are ;)... I have no clue with Evolution, but it might help those helping you to tell us how Evolution is "getting" its mails. My hunch would be that it is set up to fetch its mails from the server (how? IMAP? POP3?). It would be useful to try to debug this process. Again, I've never touched Evolution in my life, but here [1] is a nice debugging guide which might help getting things started. Now let's hope to get back on topic and perhaps some Evolution guru chimes in. Cheers [1] https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Evolution/Debugging -- t signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Evolution doesn't receive messages in Debian 11.
On Tue, 2023-02-21 at 15:42 -0600, David Wright wrote: > On Wed 22 Feb 2023 at 06:34:27 (+1000), David wrote: > > On Tue, 2023-02-21 at 12:09 -0800, Van Snyder wrote: > > > > > > When I installed Debian 11, I didn't destroy Debian 10. I still > > > have > > > Debian 10 on a different drive. In attempting to repair an > > > entirely > > > different problem, I had done > > > > > > apt-get update; apt-get upgrade > > > > One of the reasons I prefer aptitude's `safe-upgrade'. > > That's the equivalent command, and would not protect you. That's what many think: aptitude safe-upgrade upgrades currently installed packages and can install new packages to resolve new dependencies. apt-get upgrade upgrades currently installed packages. > It will > upgrade everything that doesn't involve a new package, but nothing > else, hence the mish-mash of Debian 10 and 11. > > If you want keep an old system around, you need to make sure that the > sources.list has the correct version's proper name in it, ie buster > in your case. And if you're later going to use it at all, you need > to keep it updated with those two commands. > > > > Does anybody have any suggestions to repair it? > > As others have suggested, the easiest is probably to: > > # apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade > > which will take it up to stable ≡ bullseye. > > Then edit the sources.list and change stable → bullseye. > And do the same edit to the system that was already Debian 11. > > In a few ?weeks, you can decide which of the two drives you want to > upgrade to Debian 12 ≡ bookworm, and leave the other as Debian 11, > upgradeable /safely/ as Debian 11. > > Cheers, > David. >
Re: Evolution doesn't receive messages in Debian 11.
On Wed 22 Feb 2023 at 06:34:27 (+1000), David wrote: > On Tue, 2023-02-21 at 12:09 -0800, Van Snyder wrote: > > > > When I installed Debian 11, I didn't destroy Debian 10. I still have > > Debian 10 on a different drive. In attempting to repair an entirely > > different problem, I had done > > > > apt-get update; apt-get upgrade > > One of the reasons I prefer aptitude's `safe-upgrade'. That's the equivalent command, and would not protect you. It will upgrade everything that doesn't involve a new package, but nothing else, hence the mish-mash of Debian 10 and 11. If you want keep an old system around, you need to make sure that the sources.list has the correct version's proper name in it, ie buster in your case. And if you're later going to use it at all, you need to keep it updated with those two commands. > > Does anybody have any suggestions to repair it? As others have suggested, the easiest is probably to: # apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade which will take it up to stable ≡ bullseye. Then edit the sources.list and change stable → bullseye. And do the same edit to the system that was already Debian 11. In a few ?weeks, you can decide which of the two drives you want to upgrade to Debian 12 ≡ bookworm, and leave the other as Debian 11, upgradeable /safely/ as Debian 11. Cheers, David.
Re: Evolution doesn't receive messages in Debian 11.
On Tue, 2023-02-21 at 12:09 -0800, Van Snyder wrote: > I just upgraded to Debian 11. I had been using Debian 10. I've used > Evolution for many years. The version in Debian 11 is 3.48. > > I use KDE Plasma version 5.26.90. The KDE Frameworks version is > 5.102.0. > > I get pop-up notes from KDE that evolution has received new messages. > > But the messages don't appear in Evolution. I am using Evolution 3.38.3-1+deb11u1 with Stable, and Evolution 3.46.4-1 with Unstable quite successfully. > I know it's not a mail > server problem because I can read the messages in Firefox -- but > Firefox doesn't have access to my archive, so I can't save anything > (on > my own computer). If I were to work out how to get Firefox to save > them, and if I ever get Evolution working again, the messages won't > be > in Evolution's format, and the other Evolution data structures won't > be > updated. > > There was a note about "messages not appearing in Evolution" many > years > ago. It turned out to have been caused by the user's configuration > mistake. When I looked for that mistake in my configuration (which I > hadn't touched), I hadn't made it. > > Does anybody have any suggestions to get it working? > > When I installed Debian 11, I didn't destroy Debian 10. I still have > Debian 10 on a different drive. In attempting to repair an entirely > different problem, I had done > > apt-get update; apt-get upgrade One of the reasons I prefer aptitude's `safe-upgrade'. > on the advice of a posting in one of the Debian forums. Now, in > Debian > 10, there's a mish-mash of Debian 11 parts. Evolution is version > 3.46. > It works, but the user interface is now a mess. Icons are tiny and in > different places. The body has a black border between itself and the > window border. The title bar for the composer is entirely different > from the title bar of any other window -- about three times as thick, > containing several icons, including the "send" icon. > > Does anybody have any suggestions to repair it? I'd try a reinstall of the version that is standard for that Debian iteration. How Evolution presents depends very much on if it is on a laptop or desktop. I have it installed on both, and see none of the things you are describing. This applies to another version I have installed on FreeBSD, also. I have a mix of KDE and Gnome apps on an Enlightenment window manager, so doubt conflict problems between desktop apps. You will be looking at conflict between versions and desktop, with unmatched dependencies, I should say. HTH Cheers!
