Re: Guide / Tools
Good morning Zenaan, good morning Chris, I'll reconsider to test aliases again. Usually I use the tab key, the cursor keys and my fingers type some commands automagically. Regards, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/op.wn9s1b1gqhadp0@suse11-2
Re: Guide / Tools
On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 02:48:02PM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 08:48:15PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2012-11-22 at 11:35 -0500, Doug wrote: Altho some of the Linux commands that seem to be specific to certain distros Some distros use aliases for commands, e.g. something like ls -a has an alias, this IMO should be avoided. I disagree. Aliases are extremely handy. I wish I started using them far sooner than I did. I use a few in my .bashrc, like alias cnc='cd clear' alias cd2='cd ../../' alias cd3='cd ../../../' alias cd4='cd ../../../../' alias cd5='cd ../../../../.../' alias lsd='ls --list-directories-first' alias ll='ls -l' alias la='ls -A' alias l='ls -CF' alias mocp='mocp -T transparent-background' quite handy. ./tony -- http://www.tonybaldwin.me all tony, all the time! 3F330C6E signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Guide / Tools
On Mi, 21 nov 12, 09:25:45, Ralf Mardorf wrote: top In this context killall -9 -w software_name is very helpful. Just stumbled across: http://partmaps.org/era/unix/award.html#uuk9letter I prefer 'killall name' (which sends 15 by default) Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Guide / Tools
On Mi, 21 nov 12, 15:54:03, Morel Bérenger wrote: When I need calculations, I want a tool which can understand simple things. If I need complex ones, I will take my vim and do some programming. qalc, can do conversions as well. Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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On Mi, 21 nov 12, 23:06:52, Ralf Mardorf wrote: I noticed that visudo isn't vi, but nano on my current Ubuntu. Nano seems to be more comfortable than vi. Set $VISUAL or $EDITOR as needed. Or change your /usr/bin/editor alternative. Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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On Ma, 20 nov 12, 18:59:49, Crypticmofo wrote: From the more exprienced Debian users can you guys paste or post a list of the most common commands that you use According to 'popularity-contest | head -100' I'm using these a lot: sudo screen yeahconsole rxvt-unicode mutt Note: my /usr is mounted 'noatime' Others (in no particular order): aptitude / apt-get / apt-cache / apt-file dpkg mc man less vim qalc mpc :D service ssh cat grep dwb Some of these will probably never show in the popularity-contest listing because I have an an instance running all the time (e.g. aptitude and dwb). Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Guide / Tools
On Thu, 2012-11-22 at 11:35 -0500, Doug wrote: Altho some of the Linux commands that seem to be specific to certain distros Some distros use aliases for commands, e.g. something like ls -a has an alias, this IMO should be avoided. For at least one distro it was possible to type unmount instead of umount or a complete translation to DOS commands was available. For people who aren't native English speakers IMO simply a list with the complete name should be provided, e.g. cd = change directory, mv = move etc.. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1353700095.6366.59.camel@q
Re: Guide / Tools
On Fri, 2012-11-23 at 15:09 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Mi, 21 nov 12, 09:25:45, Ralf Mardorf wrote: top In this context killall -9 -w software_name is very helpful. Just stumbled across: http://partmaps.org/era/unix/award.html#uuk9letter I prefer 'killall name' (which sends 15 by default) Hard to say what's better. A newbie might be surprised if kill name won't stop something bad. My start audio session scripts start with killall -9 -w [...], so what ever should happen, I only need to start the script again, but I agree, if I have to manually kill something I start with a simple killall or kill. Regards, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1353701589.6366.70.camel@q
Re: Guide / Tools
On Fri, 2012-11-23 at 15:20 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Mi, 21 nov 12, 23:06:52, Ralf Mardorf wrote: I noticed that visudo isn't vi, but nano on my current Ubuntu. Nano seems to be more comfortable than vi. Set $VISUAL or $EDITOR as needed. Or change your /usr/bin/editor alternative. The variables are for this Ubuntu install. spinymouse@q:~$ ls -hAl /usr/bin/editor lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 24 Nov 19 19:30 /usr/bin/editor - /etc/alternatives/editor spinymouse@q:~$ ls -hAl /etc/alternatives/editor lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Nov 19 19:29 /etc/alternatives/editor - /bin/nano Thank you, I wasn't aware that it's handled that way. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1353701916.6366.73.camel@q
Re: Guide / Tools
On Fri, 2012-11-23 at 21:13 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Fri, 2012-11-23 at 15:09 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Mi, 21 nov 12, 09:25:45, Ralf Mardorf wrote: top In this context killall -9 -w software_name is very helpful. Just stumbled across: http://partmaps.org/era/unix/award.html#uuk9letter I prefer 'killall name' (which sends 15 by default) Hard to say what's better. A newbie might be surprised if kill name A typo killall won't stop something bad. My start audio session scripts start with killall -9 -w [...], so what ever should happen, I only need to start the script again, but I agree, if I have to manually kill something I start with a simple killall or kill. Regards, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1353702279.11101.1.camel@q
Re: Guide / Tools
On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 08:48:15PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2012-11-22 at 11:35 -0500, Doug wrote: Altho some of the Linux commands that seem to be specific to certain distros Some distros use aliases for commands, e.g. something like ls -a has an alias, this IMO should be avoided. I disagree. Aliases are extremely handy. I wish I started using them far sooner than I did. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121124014802.GB17873@tal
Re: Guide / Tools
On Sat, 2012-11-24 at 14:48 +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 08:48:15PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2012-11-22 at 11:35 -0500, Doug wrote: Altho some of the Linux commands that seem to be specific to certain distros Some distros use aliases for commands, e.g. something like ls -a has an alias, this IMO should be avoided. I disagree. Aliases are extremely handy. I wish I started using them far sooner than I did. alias ll='ls -l' alias ls='/bin/ls $LS_OPTIONS' and at some point neither you nor anybody else does know what a command will do. ll IMO is stupid, a variable is ok, if the default is an empty string, the user only set up the variable for a session where to run thousand times the same command. I'm using the arrow keys instead of aliases. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1353723211.11101.96.camel@q
Re: Guide / Tools
On 11/24/12, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Sat, 2012-11-24 at 14:48 +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 08:48:15PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2012-11-22 at 11:35 -0500, Doug wrote: Altho some of the Linux commands that seem to be specific to certain distros Some distros use aliases for commands, e.g. something like ls -a has an alias, this IMO should be avoided. I disagree. Aliases are extremely handy. I wish I started using them far sooner than I did. alias ll='ls -l' alias ls='/bin/ls $LS_OPTIONS' and at some point neither you nor anybody else does know what a command will do. ll IMO is stupid I disagree. ll is so very convenient. However, I _always_ make sure LS_OPTIONS is unset, and generally limit aliases to non-default commands, ie ls is for me (and I say should be) just plain ls, no options, no hidden environment variables. But ll, la, etc are not only free game, but very convenient, I find. cheers zenaan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOsGNSSLoRwkqNP=_gra5ts5xn4k0xcnuptgq_xnsdarjvk...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Guide / Tools
On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 03:13:31AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sat, 2012-11-24 at 14:48 +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 08:48:15PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2012-11-22 at 11:35 -0500, Doug wrote: Altho some of the Linux commands that seem to be specific to certain distros Some distros use aliases for commands, e.g. something like ls -a has an alias, this IMO should be avoided. I disagree. Aliases are extremely handy. I wish I started using them far sooner than I did. alias ll='ls -l' alias ls='/bin/ls $LS_OPTIONS' and at some point neither you nor anybody else does know what a command will do. ll IMO is stupid, a variable is ok, if the default is an empty string, the user only set up the variable for a session where to run thousand times the same command. Just because aliases can be used in a stupid way does not make them stupid. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121124043024.GA20358@tal
Re: Guide / Tools
Simple things are really simple in bc. sounds like, yes. I'll try that someday -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/b72a3ac3cd3870db99ec175b04065008.squir...@www.sud-ouest.org
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This whole thread points out a major problem with using Linux. There is no comprehensive, cross referenced, command dictionary anywhere. I have a C programming reference that was written by Kernegian and Ritchy way back when, which referenced the C commands by function, that I used to live by. We need something like this for the Linux / Unix community. I think a properly architectured WIKI would be a wonderful idea. Unfortunately I don't feel I have the knowledge necessary to start one. As an example, if I look up 'System Maintenance' I should get a sub list of Aptitude, dpkg, apt-get etc, with a quick blurb on each. A newbe could then make a choice of which package the wish to try. I've been using Debian linux for over 15 years and am still finding commands that are useful. The worst part is that I am loosing commands at about the same rate because of only occasional use. It is really frustrating when you know there is a command that you used 2 years ago that is exactly what you need but can't remember its name. Gary R. This... is really true, and an excellent idea. The problem is probably also that some commands can be used for more than one thing, so making category is not so easy. Example: grep _ can be used to search a text in a file _ can be used to search files containing some text Also, should that wiki be a reference, containing full doc of commands, or simply a repertoire (not sure for the word) which said cd is used to change directory. One is too long, the other is too short. Another solution would be to add a short example to the second... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/686cb2dc9b68d813ee77b0385eb78b78.squir...@www.sud-ouest.org
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On 21-11-12 23:06, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 21:28 +, Joe wrote: I use dpkg [...] if I need to install a .deb ... mc Indeed. I never went the vi/emacs route since cooledit in mc does all the admin work I need to do, and I don't do heavy text processing. And my server doesn't have X, so mc is a useful semi-graphical file manager and simple text editor combined. And I'm old enough to remember the Norton Commander... . ah yes: the norton commander! the time 'we' could communicate with keyboard and screen (F4,F9 etc.etc.) how surprising that still was in 1993/1994. i stop now: getting sentimental reg., steef -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/50ae0656.5030...@home.nl
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On 11/22/2012 05:52 AM, Morel Bérenger wrote: This whole thread points out a major problem with using Linux. There is no comprehensive, cross referenced, command dictionary anywhere. I have a C programming reference that was written by Kernegian and Ritchy way back when, which referenced the C commands by function, that I used to live by. We need something like this for the Linux / Unix community. I think a properly architectured WIKI would be a wonderful idea. Unfortunately I don't feel I have the knowledge necessary to start one. As an example, if I look up 'System Maintenance' I should get a sub list of Aptitude, dpkg, apt-get etc, with a quick blurb on each. A newbe could then make a choice of which package the wish to try. I've been using Debian linux for over 15 years and am still finding commands that are useful. The worst part is that I am loosing commands at about the same rate because of only occasional use. It is really frustrating when you know there is a command that you used 2 years ago that is exactly what you need but can't remember its name. Gary R. This... is really true, and an excellent idea. The problem is probably also that some commands can be used for more than one thing, so making category is not so easy. Example: grep _ can be used to search a text in a file _ can be used to search files containing some text Also, should that wiki be a reference, containing full doc of commands, or simply a repertoire (not sure for the word) which said cd is used to change directory. One is too long, the other is too short. Another solution would be to add a short example to the second... Altho some of the Linux commands that seem to be specific to certain distros may not be found there, a very useful book is Linux in a Nutshell, which calls itself A Desktop Quick Reference. O'Reilly. $50 when I bought mine several years ago. I use it all the time. --doug -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/50ae5456.50...@optonline.net
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On 22/11/12 16:35, Doug wrote: On 11/22/2012 05:52 AM, Morel Bérenger wrote: This whole thread points out a major problem with using Linux. There is no comprehensive, cross referenced, command dictionary anywhere. I have a C programming reference that was written by Kernegian and Ritchy way back when, which referenced the C commands by function, that I used to live by. We need something like this for the Linux / Unix community. I think a properly architectured WIKI would be a wonderful idea. Unfortunately I don't feel I have the knowledge necessary to start one. As an example, if I look up 'System Maintenance' I should get a sub list of Aptitude, dpkg, apt-get etc, with a quick blurb on each. A newbe could then make a choice of which package the wish to try. I've been using Debian linux for over 15 years and am still finding commands that are useful. The worst part is that I am loosing commands at about the same rate because of only occasional use. It is really frustrating when you know there is a command that you used 2 years ago that is exactly what you need but can't remember its name. Gary R. This... is really true, and an excellent idea. The problem is probably also that some commands can be used for more than one thing, so making category is not so easy. Example: grep _ can be used to search a text in a file _ can be used to search files containing some text Also, should that wiki be a reference, containing full doc of commands, or simply a repertoire (not sure for the word) which said cd is used to change directory. One is too long, the other is too short. Another solution would be to add a short example to the second... Altho some of the Linux commands that seem to be specific to certain distros may not be found there, a very useful book is Linux in a Nutshell, which calls itself A Desktop Quick Reference. O'Reilly. $50 when I bought mine several years ago. I use it all the time. Or a free PDF download. I got it here: http://it-ebooks.info/book/403/ -- Tony van der Hoff| mailto:t...@vanderhoff.org Buckinghamshire, England | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/50ae56a8.8040...@vanderhoff.org
Re: Guide / Tools
On 11/21/2012 06:02 AM, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Crypticmofo wrote: Hello I'm new to debian and i hang out in the irc channels .. i realize that irc is there really for support so i wanted to take my question here .. From the more exprienced Debian users can you guys paste or post a list of the most common commands that you use I already know of the docs like debian-handbook debian-kernel-handbook debian-refernce apt-common And yes most of the manpages What i really want are real life uses everyday ie.. do you use a lot of dpkg commands do you use a lot of apt or aptitude commands everday Also .. in your experience what are good handy tools we should have and learn that are a must to be able to navigate / use Debian still for me: mc (in a text VT) Hugo I sent this before but it never showed up on the list. So: This whole thread points out a major problem with using Linux. There is no comprehensive, cross referenced, command dictionary anywhere. I have a C programming reference that was written by Kernegian and Ritchy way back when, which referenced the C commands by function, that I used to live by. We need something like this for the Linux / Unix community. I think a properly architectured WIKI would be a wonderful idea. Unfortunately I don't feel I have the knowledge necessary to start one. As an example, if I look up 'System Maintenance' I should get a sub list of Aptitude, dpkg, apt-get etc, with a quick blurb on each. A newbe could then make a choice of which package the wish to try. I've been using Debian linux for over 15 years and am still finding commands that are useful. The worst part is that I am loosing commands at about the same rate because of only occasional use. It is really frustrating when you know there is a command that you used 2 years ago that is exactly what you need but can't remember its name. Gary R. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/50ad37cc.1070...@verizon.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/50ae7547.8030...@verizon.net
Re: Guide / Tools
On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 10:56:07AM -0800, Gary Roach wrote: On 11/21/2012 06:02 AM, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Crypticmofo wrote: Hello I'm new to debian and i hang out in the irc channels .. i realize that irc is there really for support so i wanted to take my question here .. From the more exprienced Debian users can you guys paste or post a list of the most common commands that you use I already know of the docs like debian-handbook debian-kernel-handbook debian-refernce apt-common And yes most of the manpages What i really want are real life uses everyday ie.. do you use a lot of dpkg commands do you use a lot of apt or aptitude commands everday Also .. in your experience what are good handy tools we should have and learn that are a must to be able to navigate / use Debian still for me: mc (in a text VT) Hugo I recommend learning vim (http://www.vim.org) Grep and sed are both immensely useful, as is find...there are, indeed, many. While I do not find a comprehensive wiki with anything like a full listing of possible bash shell command line tools, I did find these very useful items: Advanced Bash Scripting Guide: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/index.html bash hackers wiki: http://wiki.bash-hackers.org/doku.php Linux for Newbies/Command Line: https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Linux_For_Newbies/Command_Line Linux Command Line Basics: http://www.cs.wmich.edu/wiki/index.php/Linux_Command_Line_Basics Linux Guide/Linux Commands: https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Linux_Guide/Linux_commands Linux Guide/Using the shell: https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Linux_Guide/Using_the_shell I could very easily set up another dokuwiki on one of my servers somewhere for cli wiki, but, with so many already started and not complete on the internet, I have no illusions that anything I start would ever become comprehensive or the go-to guide. Also, follow this person on identi.ca: https://identi.ca/climagic Their site: http://suso.suso.org/xulu/Command_Line_Magic ./tony -- http://www.tonybaldwin.me all tony, all the time! 3F330C6E signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 10:36:41PM -0500, Tony Baldwin wrote: On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 10:56:07AM -0800, Gary Roach wrote: On 11/21/2012 06:02 AM, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Crypticmofo wrote: Hello I'm new to debian and i hang out in the irc channels .. i realize that irc is there really for support so i wanted to take my question here .. From the more exprienced Debian users can you guys paste or post a list of the most common commands that you use While I do not find a comprehensive wiki with anything like a full listing of possible bash shell command line tools, I did find these very useful items: Or, doh...why didn't I think of this one: Bash Reference Manual http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/bashref.html -- http://www.tonybaldwin.me all tony, all the time! 3F330C6E signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Guide / Tools
On 21 November 2012 04:59, Crypticmofo crypticmofo2...@gmail.com wrote: What i really want are real life uses everyday ie.. do you use a lot of dpkg commands do you use a lot of apt or aptitude commands everday It depends on what you do with your computer. In my case: mutt emacs ncdu df -h ls -laprt sort most vim /etc/init.d/some service reload/restart/stop/start ... grep pgrep pkill ps top dstat vmstat awk sed psql pgadmin3 w3m wajig aptitude apt dpkg make latex freemind evince You do not remember them all when you do not use them. I have changed job two years ago from system administrator to data-manager and I tend to forget many of the shortcuts I have used as system administrator because I do not use them on a daily basis. Regards Johann -- Because experiencing your loyal love is better than life itself, my lips will praise you. (Psalm 63:3)
Re: Guide / Tools
On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 10:00 +0200, Johann Spies wrote: /etc/init.d/some service reload/restart/stop/start ... Not needed by a newbie and quasi obsolet for many distros. grep Very useful! top Very useful! Alternatives: htop and atop I like hwinfo instead of a bundle of other commands. w3m make Ok, I didn't comment everything, you mentioned several commands that IMO are only confusing a newbie, those are also two commands that are unimportant. I tend to forget many of the shortcuts And I forgot to mention shortcuts. Yes, there are some useful shortcuts. I guess tty is unimportant at the moment, but e.g. Alt+F2 is useful to launch an app and Ctrl+Alt+F7 is useful, if a newbie should lose the desktop environment. Cut and copy shortcuts perhaps are already known Regards, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1353486130.2626.47.camel@q
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top In this context killall -9 -w software_name is very helpful. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1353486345.2626.50.camel@q
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It depends on your uses as others have said. In my case, I am a developer, which sadly does not uses linux at work (hopefully that'll change someday). I prefer command-line to graphical file explorer, and have a tiling window manager (command-line without that kind of wm is a little less comfortable IMHO). So, here are my favorite commands: xdg-open cd (there are some tricks, like no args, using '/' or '~' to start the arg) cp mv ls -lh find -iname '*.foo' grep -lri regex (find files containing the regex) less cat cat file | grep regex (find all regex occurrences in file) echo du --max-depth=1 -h df -h mpc (for mpd control, mpd is a music player daemon) cmake make gcc / g++ xrandr syncclient ifup ifdown ifconfig some scripts (binded by keys in my window manager or not) I have in ~/.config/scripts, like one for rotating the screen of my netbook and opening a pdf (wide screen are not nice for reading novels) and software with some gui (ncurses or gtk is the same for me, anyway I often start them with commandline): aptitude ncmpcpp vim codeblocks meld galculator gftp uzbl wesnoth :D I think that on linux, everyone have his own real world, so you will have to learn by yourself depending on your favorite tools and uses. That's why I sometimes think that maybe linux is hard to use, unlike windows. Here, we can choose, and choosing wisely needs learning. An idea for that is to build a list of tools you use, by using zim, for example (a desktop wiki, very good to take notes). PS: I am only using debian for a day to day basis since 2 years, so I still have many things to learn, and many tools that lacks me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/ed439526a12ebc388c7fcc66bef0d9db.squir...@www.sud-ouest.org
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Yes, there are some useful shortcuts. I guess tty is unimportant at the moment, but e.g. Alt+F2 is useful to launch an app and Ctrl+Alt+F7 is useful, if a newbie should lose the desktop environment. Cut and copy shortcuts perhaps are already known The problem for shortcuts are that they differ depending on user configuration. Are the ALT+F2 used by all major DE? I only know it is used by XFCE... I also forgot some commands, in process management: xkill = kill the window on which you will click. That tool is very useful when a sofware crash. ps -u berenger = show my processes, to help me kill them And apps for monitoring: xosview, but it is not a command-line, it have a gui For playing with the X root window (on windows, you could name that the wallpaper) there are: xphoon xplanet But those are real playing, btw, that's really useless (and so, I must use them, obvious, no?) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5661c01af27130f9d6a536c436acf16c.squir...@www.sud-ouest.org
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On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 09:40 +0100, Morel Bérenger wrote: Yes, there are some useful shortcuts. I guess tty is unimportant at the moment, but e.g. Alt+F2 is useful to launch an app and Ctrl+Alt+F7 is useful, if a newbie should lose the desktop environment. Cut and copy shortcuts perhaps are already known The problem for shortcuts are that they differ depending on user configuration. Are the ALT+F2 used by all major DE? I only know it is used by XFCE... Alt+F2 usually does work with all DEs by default, other shortcuts, e.g. Ctrl+Alt+Backspace nowadays are usually disabled by default. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1353488047.2626.55.camel@q
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On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 03:31:37PM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: You might say where you're coming from - Windows, Fedora, ... ? aptitude search blah (or apt-cache search blah) aptitude show blah (or apt-cache show ...) ip route -n ping So you use these commands everyday? Interesting. BTW, it is considered rude to gratuitiously ping servers on the net. IOW, I question that these commands are in common use everyday. The exceptions being apt-cache search apt-cache show, then again, they probably are not used commonly everyday. The answer to the OP's question depends very much on what you use your computer for. I tend to use lynx a lot, and of course vim, a bit of crafty, mutt, feh, mplayer (mplayer2 actually, but the alternates system takes care of that) rtorrent, wodim, devede ... But instead, a better question might be, I want to use my computer for xyz, what software do you recommend? One answer could be apt-cache search xyz then take your pick. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121121084901.GD26390@tal
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On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 09:34 +0100, Morel Bérenger wrote: cd (there are some tricks, like no args, using '/' or '~' to start the arg) cp To read about globbing is very important. Simply using wildcards could cause serious issues. cat file | grep regex (find all regex occurrences in file) No, we use grep regex file instead ;). make ifup Please don't write newbies such commands, that are completely useless for a newbie. ifdown ifconfig Yes galculator is very good, if you have a num pad where the . is a ,, OTOH gcalctool does completely display what you typed. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1353488733.2626.65.camel@q
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On Wednesday 21 November 2012 09:05:33 Ralf Mardorf wrote: make ifup Please don't write newbies such commands, that are completely useless for a newbie. ifdown ifconfig Yes Surely, if one is going to use ifdown, one also needs ifup? Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201211210913.08226.lisi.re...@gmail.com
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On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 09:13 +, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Wednesday 21 November 2012 09:05:33 Ralf Mardorf wrote: make ifup Please don't write newbies such commands, that are completely useless for a newbie. ifdown ifconfig Yes Surely, if one is going to use ifdown, one also needs ifup? Lisi By accident I didn't [snip] those lines. A Debian default install for sure comes with networkmanager or something similar. A newbie doesn't need configure, make, make install (checkinstall) and a newbie sing a DE doesn't need if... . -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1353489487.2626.68.camel@q
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As I said, I still consider myself as a newbie (or a very novice, take
your favorite) :)
2 years can help learn a lot, but learning could be implementing with
something like:
learn(){
read();
understand();
memorize();
learn();
}
cd (there are some tricks, like no args, using '/' or '~' to start the
arg) cp
To read about globbing is very important. Simply using wildcards could
cause serious issues.
What is globbing, and which issues can cause wildcards? Symbolic links
problems?
grep regex file
Ho, I did not know about that... interesting :) (I am just starting to use
some grep features other than find a single word in a single file...)
make ifup
Please don't write newbies such commands, that are completely useless
for a newbie.
For make, if he is a newbie only with linux, but not with development, you
are wrong. Else, you are true, but we have no clue. I did not speak about
using make to install softwares without packages.
For ifup/down:
I have no other choice for ifup with my eeepc, because when I change wifi
network (actually, I change my /etc/network/interface each time, have not
find/searched a good solution, without using graphical tools, which I do
not need), or just enable/disable wifi, the network does not adapt itself
to change, and so I must down/up it.
I should like to learn how to use/customize acpi, but lacks of time is a
strong enemy, and man did not helped me a lot.
galculator
is very good, if you have a num pad where the . is a ,, OTOH gcalctool
does completely display what you typed.
The numpad is not a problem for me, honestly, I tend to use it very
rarely... I prefer to use the top line of keybord :P
And anyway, using ',' or '.'... most computers tools use '.' and all
programming languages I know of too.
And as I said, I am a developer, so I'm accustomed to that.
But I did not found gcalttool before, I'll try it.
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On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 10:36 +0100, Morel Bérenger wrote: To read about globbing is very important. Simply using wildcards could cause serious issues. What is globbing, and which issues can cause wildcards? $ touch .test test $ ls -A test .test $ rm * $ ls -A .test So for a backup hidden files won't be copied. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=linux+globbing Regards, Ralf PS: Please reply to the list only. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1353491459.2626.82.camel@q
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On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 10:50 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 10:36 +0100, Morel Bérenger wrote: To read about globbing is very important. Simply using wildcards could cause serious issues. What is globbing, and which issues can cause wildcards? $ touch .test test $ ls -A test .test $ rm * $ ls -A .test So for a backup hidden files won't be copied. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=linux+globbing Regards, Ralf PS: Please reply to the list only. PPS: And now use the asterisk and delete or copy a folder including hidden files. The hidden files won't be ignored any more. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1353492133.2626.85.camel@q
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PS: Please reply to the list only. Sorry for that, I am using a webmail quite primitive, and I regularly forgot to check all fields... I should search for a portable and lightweight but good software for such kind of things, I guess. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/363c1d25d87d8fae2df4d1cb67452214.squir...@www.sud-ouest.org
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On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 09:22:10AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Not needed by a newbie and quasi obsolet for many distros. Ok, I didn't comment everything, you mentioned several commands that IMO are only confusing a newbie, those are also two commands that are unimportant. The OP didn't ask What commands would you recommend to a newbie?, the OP asked What commands do you use every day? Cheers, Tom -- Let us endeavor so to live that when we come to die even the undertaker will be sorry. -- Mark Twain, Pudd'nhead Wilson's Calendar signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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On 11/21/2012 03:59 AM, Crypticmofo wrote: Hello I'm new to debian and i hang out in the irc channels .. i realize that irc is there really for support so i wanted to take my question here .. From the more exprienced Debian users can you guys paste or post a list of the most common commands that you use I already know of the docs like debian-handbook debian-kernel-handbook debian-refernce apt-common And yes most of the manpages What i really want are real life uses everyday ie.. do you use a lot of dpkg commands do you use a lot of apt or aptitude commands everday Also .. in your experience what are good handy tools we should have and learn that are a must to be able to navigate / use Debian As long as your system works you only need to know little tools, e.g. the aptitude update aptitude full-upgrade to update your system. Whenever anything breaks, it is always useful to know how to work on a terminal-only. And... while using Debian and customizing it, installing software, changing configuration files, etc. you will learn some tools automatically. You will find your favourite text-editor and (probably antoher) terminal-only editor for editing configuration files. I commonly use these commands and programs: ls, cp, rm, cd, dd, mkdir, touch, grep, cat, exit, vim, aptitude, 7z, tar, make, md5sum, mount, ifconfig, ip (newer ifconfig, but more difficult IMO), ping, tail, mv, ln, su, ssh, service, halt There are certianly more but I do not remember them now. Some of them might be useful to you, some might be completely useless... it highly depends on what you usually do. For the commandline there are also interesting shortcuts, e.g. CTRL-C to terminate the program that is just running, CTRL-Z to stop a program and fg to continue it in the foreground or bg to continue it in the background. For automating/shortening commands, scripts and aliases are also very useful and time-saving. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/50acdc52.80...@web.de
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Crypticmofo wrote: Hello I'm new to debian and i hang out in the irc channels .. i realize that irc is there really for support so i wanted to take my question here .. From the more exprienced Debian users can you guys paste or post a list of the most common commands that you use I already know of the docs like debian-handbook debian-kernel-handbook debian-refernce apt-common And yes most of the manpages What i really want are real life uses everyday ie.. do you use a lot of dpkg commands do you use a lot of apt or aptitude commands everday Also .. in your experience what are good handy tools we should have and learn that are a must to be able to navigate / use Debian still for me: mc (in a text VT) Hugo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/k8imud$gmq$1...@ger.gmane.org
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On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 09:54:07AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 09:40 +0100, Morel Bérenger wrote: Yes, there are some useful shortcuts. I guess tty is unimportant at the moment, but e.g. Alt+F2 is useful to launch an app and Ctrl+Alt+F7 is useful, if a newbie should lose the desktop environment. Cut and copy shortcuts perhaps are already known The problem for shortcuts are that they differ depending on user configuration. Are the ALT+F2 used by all major DE? I only know it is used by XFCE... Alt+F2 usually does work with all DEs by default, other shortcuts, e.g. Ctrl+Alt+Backspace nowadays are usually disabled by default. Which reminds me of another handy/important command: dpkg-reconfigure package-name i.e. dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration allows you change whether Ctrl+Alt+Backspace terminates the X server. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121121141458.GB32325@tal
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On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 10:05:33AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: galculator is very good, if you have a num pad where the . is a ,, OTOH gcalctool does completely display what you typed. Whats wrong with bc/dc? :) -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121121142920.GC32325@tal
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Le Mer 21 novembre 2012 15:29, Chris Bannister a écrit : On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 10:05:33AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: galculator is very good, if you have a num pad where the . is a ,, OTOH gcalctool does completely display what you typed. Whats wrong with bc/dc? :) $man bc = Too Long; Did not Read = Too Long; Did not Understood how to do a 3+4=, or a 21(base 16)=?(base 10) $man dc = reverse-polish ? What is it? It is surely not for simple calculations and conversions... When I need calculations, I want a tool which can understand simple things. If I need complex ones, I will take my vim and do some programming. It sounds like bc have even conditional jumps, btw! I can not see the point for common calculations. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5609ce8a75806fba312c6fa848d8da97.squir...@www.sud-ouest.org
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On Thu, 22 Nov 2012 03:29:20 +1300 Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote: On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 10:05:33AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: galculator is very good, if you have a num pad where the . is a ,, OTOH gcalctool does completely display what you typed. Whats wrong with bc/dc? :) German keyboard for an English Linux: spinymouse@q:~$ bc bc 1.06.95 Copyright 1991-1994, 1997, 1998, 2000, 2004, 2006 Free Software Foundation, Inc. This is free software with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY. For details type `warranty'. 1+1,1 (standard_in) 1: syntax error 1+1.1 2.1 The num pad on the German keyboard has got a , instead of a .. Regards, Ralf PS: I wonder a little bit about everyday commands. For me jackd is an everyday command, but I won't mention jackd in this context and IMO make is something we shouldn't mention too. Perhaps we all should ping the same Micrsoft server at the same time. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121121164725.1b6ea7fd@q
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On Wednesday 21 November 2012 15:47:25 Ralf Mardorf wrote: The num pad on the German keyboard has got a , instead of a .. Use the . from the main part of the keyboard. Known by the English as full stop, and by the United States Americans as point, I think. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201211211632.07295.lisi.re...@gmail.com
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On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 16:32 +, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Wednesday 21 November 2012 15:47:25 Ralf Mardorf wrote: The num pad on the German keyboard has got a , instead of a .. Use the . from the main part of the keyboard. Known by the English as full stop, and by the United States Americans as point, I think. It's not convenient if you want to type fast. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1353516443.18590.10.camel@q
Re: Guide / Tools
Morel Bérenger: Le Mer 21 novembre 2012 15:29, Chris Bannister a écrit : On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 10:05:33AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: galculator is very good, if you have a num pad where the . is a ,, OTOH gcalctool does completely display what you typed. Whats wrong with bc/dc? :) $man bc = Too Long; Did not Read = Too Long; Did not Understood how to do a 3+4=, or a 21(base 16)=?(base 10) | $ bc | 3+4 | 7 | | 2^10 | 1024 | | (5+3)*(8-4) | 32 Simple things are really simple in bc. $man dc = reverse-polish ? What is it? It is surely not for simple calculations and conversions... That's probably only for majors in maths or computer science. J. -- I like my Toyota RAV4 because of the commanding view of the traffic jams. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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Jochen Spieker: Morel Bérenger: $man dc = reverse-polish ? What is it? It is surely not for simple calculations and conversions... That's probably only for majors in maths or computer science. No, dc is a perfect tool for simple calculations and conversions. Instead of entering e.g. 2+3= you use the so-called reverse-polish notation: 2 3+ Once used to it, you'll probably never want anything else. Imagine a stack: 0 0 0 0 After entering 2, it looks like this: 0 0 0 2 After entering 3: 0 0 2 3 After entering +: 0 0 0 5 In dc: $ dc 2 3+p 5 As a final example, the calculation of (1 + V5)/2 (V means square root here) up to 6 decimal places: $ dc 6k1 5v+2/p 1.618033 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121121185520.66b88a1a.shiems...@kpnplanet.nl
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On Nov 21, 2012 7:57 PM, Siard shiems...@kpnplanet.nl wrote: Jochen Spieker: Morel Bérenger: $man dc = reverse-polish ? What is it? It is surely not for simple calculations and conversions... That's probably only for majors in maths or computer science. No, dc is a perfect tool for simple calculations and conversions. Instead of entering e.g. 2+3= you use the so-called reverse-polish notation: 2 3+ Once used to it, you'll probably never want anything else. Imagine a stack: 0 0 0 0 After entering 2, it looks like this: 0 0 0 2 After entering 3: 0 0 2 3 After entering +: 0 0 0 5 In dc: $ dc 2 3+p 5 As a final example, the calculation of (1 + V5)/2 (V means square root here) up to 6 decimal places: $ dc 6k1 5v+2/p 1.618033 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121121185520.66b88a1a.shiems...@kpnplanet.nl Hi, Even after 4-5 years of using various Linux distros (which I also recommend) like Red Hat (now Fedora) Suse/OpenSuse, Ubuntu, I still consider myself a newbie, after I've seen what's being discussed on this list. That, and also because I'm a sysadmin for a company using 101% Microsoft products, I have fun with Linux at home. Here's what I recommend: Find yourself some book or if you don't have the time, tutorials on the internet are much shorter to follow (don't just stop at one, 2 experts will have 2 different opinions). Then, after you've been playing with terminal commands, you could give yourself small projects/homework like: learn scriping (bash, perl, python or whatever) and do some automation with it -- automatic backup for some files in your home dir or something similar. Also, what can/should try is, if you happen to have another device at home that's able to run Linux and can stay on for a very long time, build yourself a dns+dhcp server. Good luck, and welcome!
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On 11/21/2012 06:02 AM, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Crypticmofo wrote: Hello I'm new to debian and i hang out in the irc channels .. i realize that irc is there really for support so i wanted to take my question here .. From the more exprienced Debian users can you guys paste or post a list of the most common commands that you use I already know of the docs like debian-handbook debian-kernel-handbook debian-refernce apt-common And yes most of the manpages What i really want are real life uses everyday ie.. do you use a lot of dpkg commands do you use a lot of apt or aptitude commands everday Also .. in your experience what are good handy tools we should have and learn that are a must to be able to navigate / use Debian still for me: mc (in a text VT) Hugo This whole thread points out a major problem with using Linux. There is no comprehensive, cross referenced, command dictionary anywhere. I have a C programming reference that was written by Kernegian and Ritchy way back when, which referenced the C commands by function, that I used to live by. We need something like this for the Linux / Unix community. I think a properly architectured WIKI would be a wonderful idea. Unfortunately I don't feel I have the knowledge necessary to start one. As an example, if I look up 'System Maintenance' I should get a sub list of Aptitude, dpkg, apt-get etc, with a quick blurb on each. A newbe could then make a choice of which package the wish to try. I've been using Debian linux for over 15 years and am still finding commands that are useful. The worst part is that I am loosing commands at about the same rate because of only occasional use. It is really frustrating when you know there is a command that you used 2 years ago that is exactly what you need but can't remember its name. Gary R. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/50ad37cc.1070...@verizon.net
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On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 12:21 -0800, Gary Roach wrote: It is really frustrating when you know there is a command that you used 2 years ago that is exactly what you need but can't remember its name. Is there a way to get some smarter autocompletion? Assumed I can't rember the command name umount, I only remember mou or something like that. If I type mou and push the tab key I get spinymouse@q:~$ mou mount mount.fusemount.ntfsmountpoint mountall mount.lowntfs-3g mount.ntfs-3g mousetweaks If I would remember um, everything would be ok spinymouse@q:~$ um umask umax_pp umount umount.udisks umount.udisks2 After that a --help or man for this hand full of commands should do the job. For u spinymouse@q:~$ u Display all 133 possibilities? (y or n) Regards, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1353532591.19877.54.camel@q
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On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 08:02:56 -0600 Hugo Vanwoerkom hvw59...@care2.com wrote: Crypticmofo wrote: What i really want are real life uses everyday ie.. do you use a lot of dpkg commands do you use a lot of apt or aptitude commands everday I use dpkg when I'm in trouble, or if I need to install a .deb that isn't in my usual repositories. Sometimes a system gets into a state where the apt tools can't fix something, then it's time for dpkg. The apt tools normally work, and are much more powerful, but sometimes you need the brute force and ignorance of dpkg. The apt tools do in fact use dpkg themselves, but they do it more carefully. Dpkg-reconfigure is also useful when you need to restore the original default configuration somewhere. I also occasionally use dpkg -l and with --get-selections to keep track of what I have installed. For the most part, I use aptitude non-interactive. I run a sid desktop, and that needs frequent updates. If that fails with several buggy programs or dependencies, as happens now and then with sid, I switch to Synaptic, as I find that quicker when working out what can be upgraded and what has to be left to fester for a while. Also .. in your experience what are good handy tools we should have and learn that are a must to be able to navigate / use Debian still for me: mc (in a text VT) Indeed. I never went the vi/emacs route since cooledit in mc does all the admin work I need to do, and I don't do heavy text processing. And my server doesn't have X, so mc is a useful semi-graphical file manager and simple text editor combined. And I'm old enough to remember the Norton Commander... I use tail -f logfile probably once a week, today for fetchmail. It's extremely useful in conjunction with iptables logging, see below, or with your mail server of choice to debug rejection problems. Some people prefer the command line to GUI tools, I'm one of those who prefers to use a hand-written iptables script to a firewall tool. My experience is that if there's one area where you need a complete and accurate understanding of what's going on, it's firewalling. You can waste a lot of time deducing what an auto-generated firewall is doing, or a completely undocumented one in Someone Else's operating system. I also use iptables logging as a quick-and-dirty packet sniffer for network debugging. This pretty much requires that you write your own script and understand the logic flow, and if you drop in a virtual machine or VPN server, you don't have to rely on your firewall tool being pre-configured to deal with these things as you would wish. Other than these, I use mostly commands others have already mentioned. I am aware that there's a vast array of commands I've never even heard of, but I'm also aware that learning them en masse would be a waste of time, as there's no way of remembering something you don't use often. -- Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121121212805.00637...@jretrading.com
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On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 21:28 +, Joe wrote: I use dpkg [...] if I need to install a .deb I do the same. Usually I build packages, instead of running make install and I don't have my own repository. mc Indeed. I never went the vi/emacs route since cooledit in mc does all the admin work I need to do, and I don't do heavy text processing. And my server doesn't have X, so mc is a useful semi-graphical file manager and simple text editor combined. And I'm old enough to remember the Norton Commander... A lot of people wish that mcedit would be the default, but often there's just vi(m), ed and nano available. I noticed that visudo isn't vi, but nano on my current Ubuntu. Nano seems to be more comfortable than vi. An editor with GUI perhaps should highlight syntax, so kate and gedit perhaps are better than e.g. leafpad. OTOH Gvim could be used to learn more about vi(m). We didn't mention Ctrl+D for the terminal, to logout/exit until now. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1353535612.19877.77.camel@q
RE: Guide / Tools
On Wednesday 21 November 2012 15:47:25 Ralf Mardorf wrote: The num pad on the German keyboard has got a , instead of a .. Use the . from the main part of the keyboard. Known by the English as full stop, and by the United States Americans as point, I think. Depends on context. Point for numerals, Dot for program code and URLs, Period for written sentences. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/002501cdc836$467b3040$d37190c0$@allums.com
Re: Guide / Tools
You might say where you're coming from - Windows, Fedora, ... ? aptitude search blah (or apt-cache search blah) aptitude show blah (or apt-cache show ...) ip route -n ping should get you going... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/caosgnsr6mprhe6ucgtstdcq2x_h_jqz8woc-yfdtuk4km++...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Guide / Tools
For Debian and Ubuntu I prefer to use http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synaptic_(software) instead of command line. There's only one distro where I like the command line for managing packages from repositories, but for DEBs and RPMs IMO GUIs are more comfortable and especially Synaptic is a really good GUI. OTOH I prefer a terminal emulation to file browsers for many situations. The tab-key does autocomplete commands and paths and if you have forgotten a command it displays commands. Being able to write simple shell scripts could be helpful. For what usages do you need your computer? If you are an averaged desktop user who only would turn off the graphic in emergency cases I recommend to install midnight commander, because mcedit is the easiest to use editor without a GUI. There's still the need to learn the basics for using vi(m), because this is the most used editor for some cases, OTOH something like visudo is easier to use than a normal vi(m). For specialist usages there are special mailing lists, they aren't for a specific distro, but for specific usages using any Linux distro. Hth, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1353481861.2626.25.camel@q
