Re: Iomega zip 100 paralelo
Fabio Guerrazzi escreveu: Uso um no trampo (debian etch) e não precisei compilar o kernel. Como root: # modprobe parport # modprobe ppa # mkdir /media/zip # mount -t vfat /dev/sda4 /media/zip Fabio. Caso o seu zip seja de um modelo mais novo, use: # modprobe imm ao invés de #modeprobe ppa Sérgio -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Iomega zip 100 paralelo
Leo Bozo escreveu: Valew, funciona mesmo, agora pra escreve no zip, eu so arrasto de uma pasta pro diretorio do zip ? ou presciso de um programa certo ?? Cambio Leo Você pode arrastar ou pode usar linha de comando. Você pode alterar o seu /etc/fstab para que o(s) usuário(s) não root também possa(m) montá-lo e desmontá-lo, ok? Sérgio -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Iomega zip 100 paralelo
Vai aí a entrada no /etc/fstab do meu zip externo: /dev/sda4 /media/zip0 vfat noauto,users,rw,sync,umask=000 0 0 Não sei se é preciso, mas eu contrui a entrada e o diretório seguindo o que o Debian faz para o cdrom e o floppy. Para entender faça ls -l /media/. Fabio. quote quem=Sergio Pereira Leo Bozo escreveu: Valew, funciona mesmo, agora pra escreve no zip, eu so arrasto de uma pasta pro diretorio do zip ? ou presciso de um programa certo ?? Cambio Leo Você pode arrastar ou pode usar linha de comando. Você pode alterar o seu /etc/fstab para que o(s) usuário(s) não root também possa(m) montá-lo e desmontá-lo, ok? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Iomega zip 100 paralelo
Olá!! Você terá que instalar o código fonte do kernel, e configurá-lo. Para depois compilar ele. Porém acho que um primeiro passo, seria você dar uma olhada no .config do seu kernel atual para ver se o suporte: --Na seção *Suporte a SCSI* ajuste *SCSI support = Y*. Ajuste também *SCSI disk support = Y*. Na seção *dispositivos de baixo nível SCSI* você precisa ajsutar *IOMEGA Parallel Port ZIP drive SCSI support = M*. O M é o suporte para módulos. Na seção *Dispositivo de Caracteres* encontre e ajuste *Parallell Printer support = M* Já não está ativado. assim você não precisará compilar o seu Kernel. Josué lucio de araujo escreveu: Possuo um iomega zip 100 externo - porta paralela. pesquisei como fazer ele funcionar, http://br.tldp.org/projetos/howto/arquivos/html/ZIP-Drive/ZIP-Drive.pt_BR-322.html o problema é que não existe esta pasta no meu computador | cd /usr/src/linux| uso o kernel 2.6 Debian Demudi Em que lugar está este diretório? preciso configurar o Kernel abraços, Lúcio de Araújo -- MATEMA - http://www.organismo.art.br/matema LISTALEMINSKI - [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] HACKEANDO CATATAU - http://www.organismo.art.br/blog -- By Phibos Aprendemos coisas esperimentando, formulando uma teoria, testando a teoria e criando uma nova teoria se a primeira não funciona, até ter um modelo que representa corretamente a realidade ou ao menos a parte dela que queremos testar. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Iomega zip 100 paralelo
Uso um no trampo (debian etch) e não precisei compilar o kernel. Como root: # modprobe parport # modprobe ppa # mkdir /media/zip # mount -t vfat /dev/sda4 /media/zip Fabio. quote quem=lucio de araujo Possuo um iomega zip 100 externo - porta paralela. pesquisei como fazer ele funcionar, http://br.tldp.org/projetos/howto/arquivos/html/ZIP-Drive/ZIP-Drive.pt_BR-322.html o problema é que não existe esta pasta no meu computador cd /usr/src/linux uso o kernel 2.6 Debian Demudi Em que lugar está este diretório? preciso configurar o Kernel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Iomega Zip drive USB
Michel Court wrote: Bonjour, je viens d'acquérir un Zip Drive 250 usb autoalimenté et je souhaiterais le mettre en place sur une debian Woody. J'ai compilé un noyau avec le support USB et le supprot de /proc. moi aussi j'ai un zip 250 usb autoalimenté ! et il marche bien sur ma Sarge et ma Woody ! Alors pour le faire marcher, il m'a fallut ajouter le module 'usb-storage' et 'usb-uhci' chez toi je pense que ce seré plutot 'uhci' vu ton dmesg donc moi je te conseil de faire un : $ lsmod et regarde si les modules 'uhci' et 'usb-storage' sont chargé. si tu ne les a pa : $ modprobe uhci # ajoute le module uhci $ modprobe usb-storage # ajoute le module usb-storage retape pour voir si tou sé bien passé : $ lsmod Normalement en ajoutant le module 'usb-storage' ton zip doit se mettre en route ! (enfinje crois ! ;-)) il te reste plus qu'a le monter : $ mount -t vfat /dev/sda4 /mnt/zip voila et maintenant tu pe voir le contenu de ton zip dans le dossier /mnt/zip (il fo bien sur que celui soit créer : $ mkdir /mnt/zip) voila j'espere pour toi que ca marchera et pi si ca ne marche pa n'hesite pas à renvoyer tes erreurs ! ciao !! Mathieu Il semblerait que le noyau reconnaisse le drive puisque un extrait de dmesg me donne : uhci.c: bf80: wakeup_hc uhci.c: root-hub INT complete: port1: 93 port2: 80 data: 2 hub.c: port 1 connection change hub.c: port 1, portstatus 101, change 1, 12 Mb/s hub.c: port 1, portstatus 103, change 0, 12 Mb/s hub.c: USB new device connect on bus1/1, assigned device number 2 usb.c: kmalloc IF dad4a280, numif 1 usb.c: new device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=5 usb.c: USB device number 2 default language ID 0x409 Manufacturer: Iomega Product: USB Zip 250 SerialNumber: 0032484D89050828 usb.c: unhandled interfaces on device usb.c: USB device 2 (vend/prod 0x59b/0x32) is not claimed by any active driver. Length = 18 DescriptorType = 01 USB version = 1.10 Vendor:Product = 059b:0032 MaxPacketSize0 = 64 NumConfigurations = 1 Device version = 4.00 Device Class:SubClass:Protocol = 00:00:00 Per-interface classes Configuration: bLength =9 bDescriptorType = 02 wTotalLength= 0027 bNumInterfaces = 01 bConfigurationValue = 01 iConfiguration = 03 bmAttributes= 80 MaxPower= 498mA Interface: 0 Alternate Setting: 0 bLength =9 bDescriptorType = 04 bInterfaceNumber= 00 bAlternateSetting = 00 bNumEndpoints = 03 bInterface Class:SubClass:Protocol = 08:06:50 iInterface = 04 Endpoint: bLength =7 bDescriptorType = 05 bEndpointAddress= 01 (out) bmAttributes= 02 (Bulk) wMaxPacketSize = 0040 bInterval = 00 Endpoint: bLength =7 bDescriptorType = 05 bEndpointAddress= 82 (in) bmAttributes= 02 (Bulk) wMaxPacketSize = 0040 bInterval = 00 Endpoint: bLength =7 bDescriptorType = 05 bEndpointAddress= 83 (in) bmAttributes= 03 (Interrupt) wMaxPacketSize = 0002 bInterval = 20 Mais je n'ai rien dans /proc/bus/usb ! Quelqun a-t-il deja tenté cette manip ?
Re: Iomega Zip 100 USB drive....howto use/active it?
On Wed, 25 Sep 2002, Jamin W.Collins wrote: On Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:12:55 -0400 (EDT) Walter Tautz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: presumably some relevent usb modules need to be loaded: currently: (snip) Not sure about the Zip drive in particular, but for other USB storage devices, I've needed to load the following: usb-storage sd_mod sr_mod How does one create a file system on disk? Does it make sense to mount stuff? What /dev/ file is used? If it operates like other USB storage devices, it will register as one of the /dev/sdX devices. My devices normally spit some information into dmesg once their recognized regarding what device they are registered as. Yes, indeed once sr_mod was inserted that registered the device under /dev/sda turns out it's preformated with vfat...but I can change that... -- Jamin W. Collins -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Iomega Zip 100 USB drive....howto use/active it?
On Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:12:55 -0400 (EDT) Walter Tautz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: presumably some relevent usb modules need to be loaded: currently: (snip) Not sure about the Zip drive in particular, but for other USB storage devices, I've needed to load the following: usb-storage sd_mod sr_mod How does one create a file system on disk? Does it make sense to mount stuff? What /dev/ file is used? If it operates like other USB storage devices, it will register as one of the /dev/sdX devices. My devices normally spit some information into dmesg once their recognized regarding what device they are registered as. -- Jamin W. Collins -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IOMEGA ZIP-100 / ZIP-250 -- banging my head against the wall
F == F Zimmermann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Peter == Peter Bartosch wrote: I've never heard why they come with slice 4 as the active partition. Peter that is/was because of compatiblity-reasons to mac's No, there are special Mac formatted ZIP disks. I assume they hold a Mac-compatible partition table and (of course) a Macintosh file system. The 2.4 kernel has support for several partitioning schemes, including Macintosh. So it should be possible to mount such a disk. F I thought it's got something to do with MS DOS/Win. There was a F discussion about ZIP drives on this list a couple of weeks ago were F someone metioned this. I've glanced through that discussion. IIRC, it tricks DOS/Windows so it assigns a drive letter first to all fixed partitions, and then to the ZIP drive. That way, the letters stay the same if you boot without a disk in the drive. -- G. ``Iggy'' Geens - ICQ: #64109250 Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://users.pandora.be/guy.geens/ `I want quality, not quantity. But I want lots of it!'
Re: IOMEGA ZIP-100 / ZIP-250 -- banging my head against the wall
On 21 Aug 2001, Guy Geens wrote: Peter == Peter Bartosch wrote: I've never heard why they come with slice 4 as the active partition. Peter that is/was because of compatiblity-reasons to mac's No, there are special Mac formatted ZIP disks. I assume they hold a Mac-compatible partition table and (of course) a Macintosh file system. Indeed they do, luckily its the old hfs file system. hfs+ is not yet supported by the linux kernel. I found a hfs+ prject on sourcefoerge and it is in the pre alpha state. The 2.4 kernel has support for several partitioning schemes, including Macintosh. So it should be possible to mount such a disk. Even kernel 2.2 does. Frank
Re: IOMEGA ZIP-100 / ZIP-250 -- banging my head against the wall
On Sat, 18 Aug 2001, Peter Bartosch wrote: I've never heard why they come with slice 4 as the active partition. that is/was because of compatiblity-reasons to mac's I thought it's got something to do with MS DOS/Win. There was a discussion about ZIP drives on this list a couple of weeks ago were someone metioned this. Frank
Re: IOMEGA ZIP-100 / ZIP-250 -- banging my head against the wall
On Sat, 18 Aug 2001, Stephen Gran wrote: Don't know if this is much help, as mine is a USB connection, but I got it to work by enabling mass storage on USB, and also by enabling SCSI emulation for the device - you may need to do the same - this may be the origin of the bizarre message asking you to use sr0 or sda as your mount point (in fact, sda is the mount point I use). Again, I'm not sure how much will translate from USB to IDE, but it seems as though SCSI emulation may do it. Good luck, Steve You need the IDE-SCSI emulation for parallel port and USB port ZIPs but not for internal SCSI or ATAPI Zip drives. Frank
Re: IOMEGA ZIP-100 / ZIP-250 -- banging my head
Forgive me if this seems a little shallow, but it sounds as if the Zip disk isn't formatted (or not formatted vfat). Even if it worked before, in the hot humid weather (that much of the northern hemisphere is now experiencing) Zip disks can go bad. If there's no valuable data on the disk, why not go ahead and try to reformat it (in fact, why not format it as ext2)? If it was me, I'd try the command... mke2fs /dev/hdd4 ...and if that doesn't produce a slew of error messages, I'd next try... mount /dev/hdd4 /mnt/zip - Miaoling __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/
Re: IOMEGA ZIP-100 / ZIP-250 -- banging my head against the wall
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 17 August 2001 17:38, Phil Edwards wrote: I'm not subscribed -- haven't needed help yet, Debian is that good :-) -- so please cc me on replies. Quick version: after perusing the archives of this list, I found my ZIP-250 drive (hdd) and tried mounting a plain ZIP-100 disk with 'mount -t vfat /dev/hdd4 /mnt/point'. I got the 'bad superblock, no such fs, or something else' error message that others have reported. Yes, the vfat module is loaded. Yes, there is a working filesystem on the disk (Windows shows the little 50ways.exe file as well). Same problem with other related filesystem types (dos, msdos, fat, etc). I've just switched from RH to Debian. This worked automatically under RH, using a /dev/zip device. Unfortunately, I no longer have that partition, so I can't see what /dev/zip really was. KDE2 wants /dev/zip to be there for mounting, but I don't know what to use for a target if I make a /dev/zip symlink. One other thing. /var/log/messages shows kernel: hdd: 98304kB, 196608 blocks, 512 sector size kernel: hdd: hdd4 kernel: hdd: hdd4 kernel: [MS-DOS FS Rel. 12,FAT 16,check=n,conv=b,uid=0,gid=0,umask=022,bmap] kernel: [me=0x6d,cs=768,#f=32,fs=37632,fl=423504,ds=13786368,de=8237, data=13786896,se=28489,ts=1869182049,ls=8293,rc=0,fc=4294967295] kernel: Transaction block size = 512 kernel: VFS: Can't find a valid MSDOS filesystem on dev 16:40. kernel: hdd:5ll_rw_block: device 16:40: only 512-char blocks implemented (1024) kernel: unable to read partition table which suggests that if 1K blocks were implemented, this would Just Work...? That can't be the right conclusion -- I was running the same 2.2.19 kernel under RH7 that I'm running now under Debian, built from stock sources. Any ideas? Phil Hi, you must enable in your kernel: parport, low level scsi, scsi emulation AND then the imm driver. I'm using progeny now but I *think* I remember potato had all this enabled by default. Use modconf to activate this modules. This program will show you every compiled module. If it doesn't show there you must recompile and reinstall the kernel. HTH, ;-) Saludos :-) - -- - -f. Federico Silva Software Developer. (Using Debian Gnu/Linux and KDE ) GPG Public Key : http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=Federico+Silvaop=indexfingerprint=on -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7f6HlImEa8aBjXsQRAvW9AJsGZ/XSiRC9SwMAlQR1m0U5kDenaACgrh5l mYfB35IsH4e3s2NqybHlIwU= =c55J -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: IOMEGA ZIP-100 / ZIP-250 -- banging my head against the wall
On 17 Aug 2001 18:30:58 -0400, Phil Edwards wrote: There is an option for specifying a block size when mounting, you could try the option blocksize=1024. Your mount command would look like this: mount -t vfat -o blocksize=1024 /dev/hdd4 /mnt/point I tried this just now, still no joy. I am seeing something with hdd4 that I don't see with any other device name, however, regardless of mount options: [~]# mount /dev/hdd4 /mnt/point mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdd4, or too many mounted file systems - (could this be the IDE device where you in fact use - ide-scsi so that sr0 or sda or so is needed?) [~]# Two things. In grub or lilo haye you put something like: hdd=ide-floppy In your /etc/modules is there an entry for: ide-floppy Shouldn't be necessary if you have an option for auto module loading.
Re: IOMEGA ZIP-100 / ZIP-250 -- banging my head against the wall
* Phil Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] (2001-08-18 01:00): On Sat, Aug 18, 2001 at 12:12:03AM +0100, Sean Quinlan wrote: * Phil Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] (2001-08-17 23:50): mount -t vfat -o blocksize=1024 /dev/hdd4 /mnt/point I tried this just now, still no joy. I am seeing something with hdd4 that I don't see with any other device name, however, regardless of mount options: [~]# mount /dev/hdd4 /mnt/point mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdd4, or too many mounted file systems - (could this be the IDE device where you in fact use - ide-scsi so that sr0 or sda or so is needed?) [~]# There's nothing special about this IDE controller, it's just an onboard controller from a plain Dell mobo. I tried sr0 and sda, they failed (not surprisingly). I had a look at the Zip-Drive mini howto, and it seems horribly out of date (they're still talking about 2.0.x kernels), so it probably won't be much help :) After looking at the kernel config, it seems that IDE-floppy support may be needed to access the zip250 drive. Check your .config file for CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEFLOPPY, if its compiled as a module, try modprobe ide-floppy before the mount command. If its built in (=y) then check dmesg for any signs of it picking up your drive. That can't be the right conclusion -- I was running the same 2.2.19 kernel under RH7 that I'm running now under Debian, built from stock sources. Are you using the exact same kernel (ie. copied the kernel from the Redhat /boot to the Debian /boot), or are you using the same kernel revision, but you went through the menuconfig or xconfig seperately. No but no. :-) I kept the .config file resulting from the kernel build with me, to seed the configuration. So it's not the same image file, but it is the same configuration. OK, well that's good, although it means that its something to do with the configuration in Debian :( Hopefully its the module above, but if not, then I should be able to get access to a Redhat 7.1 machine at work, and I can have a look at their kernel config and such on Monday. Cheers, Sean -- Sean Quinlan ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: IOMEGA ZIP-100 / ZIP-250 -- banging my head against the wall
Hi! FirstLast # Type Sector Sector Offset Length Filesystem Type (ID) Flags -- --- - -- - -- - 4 Primary0 196607 32 196608 FAT16 (06) Boot (80) [~]# I've never heard why they come with slice 4 as the active partition. that is/was because of compatiblity-reasons to mac's :wq - until next mail B-), l8r Peter -- :~~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~: : student of technical computer science : : university of applied sciences krefeld (germany) : ~~ gpg: 40c9053e ~
Re: IOMEGA ZIP-100 / ZIP-250 -- banging my head against the wall
Thus spake Sean Quinlan: * Phil Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] (2001-08-18 01:00): On Sat, Aug 18, 2001 at 12:12:03AM +0100, Sean Quinlan wrote: * Phil Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] (2001-08-17 23:50): mount -t vfat -o blocksize=1024 /dev/hdd4 /mnt/point I tried this just now, still no joy. I am seeing something with hdd4 that I don't see with any other device name, however, regardless of mount options: [~]# mount /dev/hdd4 /mnt/point mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdd4, or too many mounted file systems - (could this be the IDE device where you in fact use - ide-scsi so that sr0 or sda or so is needed?) [~]# There's nothing special about this IDE controller, it's just an onboard controller from a plain Dell mobo. I tried sr0 and sda, they failed (not surprisingly). Don't know if this is much help, as mine is a USB connection, but I got it to work by enabling mass storage on USB, and also by enabling SCSI emulation for the device - you may need to do the same - this may be the origin of the bizarre message asking you to use sr0 or sda as your mount point (in fact, sda is the mount point I use). Again, I'm not sure how much will translate from USB to IDE, but it seems as though SCSI emulation may do it. Good luck, Steve
Re: IOMEGA ZIP-100 / ZIP-250 -- banging my head against the wall
* Stephen Gran ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Thus spake Sean Quinlan: * Phil Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] (2001-08-18 01:00): On Sat, Aug 18, 2001 at 12:12:03AM +0100, Sean Quinlan wrote: * Phil Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] (2001-08-17 23:50): mount -t vfat -o blocksize=1024 /dev/hdd4 /mnt/point I tried this just now, still no joy. I am seeing something with hdd4 that I don't see with any other device name, however, regardless of mount options: [~]# mount /dev/hdd4 /mnt/point mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdd4, or too many mounted file systems - (could this be the IDE device where you in fact use - ide-scsi so that sr0 or sda or so is needed?) [~]# There's nothing special about this IDE controller, it's just an onboard controller from a plain Dell mobo. I tried sr0 and sda, they failed (not surprisingly). Don't know if this is much help, as mine is a USB connection, but I got it to work by enabling mass storage on USB, and also by enabling SCSI emulation for the device - you may need to do the same - this may be the origin of the bizarre message asking you to use sr0 or sda as your mount point (in fact, sda is the mount point I use). Again, I'm not sure how much will translate from USB to IDE, but it seems as though SCSI emulation may do it. It seems to me that you need to have IDE-floppy support for this to work. From my kernel .config file: CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEFLOPPY=m Sorry, I missed the start of this thread; Shaw's mail server was fsck'd yesterday. Do you have this? Cheers, Mike Pfleger There's seventy brilliant people on earth. Where are they hiding? Yashar -Cabaret Voltaire (off of 2x45)
Re: IOMEGA ZIP-100 / ZIP-250 -- banging my head against the wall
* Phil Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] (2001-08-17 23:50): I'm not subscribed -- haven't needed help yet, Debian is that good :-) -- so please cc me on replies. Done, I'd suggest sending all replies to this mail to the list as well as myself, as you'll reach a much larger audience :) Quick version: after perusing the archives of this list, I found my ZIP-250 drive (hdd) and tried mounting a plain ZIP-100 disk with 'mount -t vfat /dev/hdd4 /mnt/point'. I got the 'bad superblock, no such fs, or something else' error message that others have reported. I presume from the above that your zip drive is connected to the second channel of your second IDE controller? Are you able to mount any zip250 disks? If so, do you use the same mount command? Yes, the vfat module is loaded. Yes, there is a working filesystem on the disk (Windows shows the little 50ways.exe file as well). Same problem with other related filesystem types (dos, msdos, fat, etc). I've just switched from RH to Debian. This worked automatically under RH, using a /dev/zip device. Unfortunately, I no longer have that partition, so I can't see what /dev/zip really was. KDE2 wants /dev/zip to be there for mounting, but I don't know what to use for a target if I make a /dev/zip symlink. You could try cfdisk /dev/hdd to see the partitions, maybe this disk doesn't have /dev/hdd4 as its partition. By default, the 4th partition is used (anyone know why that is?), but maybe its been repartitioned or something. One other thing. /var/log/messages shows kernel: hdd: 98304kB, 196608 blocks, 512 sector size kernel: hdd: hdd4 kernel: hdd: hdd4 kernel: [MS-DOS FS Rel. 12,FAT 16,check=n,conv=b,uid=0,gid=0,umask=022,bmap] kernel: [me=0x6d,cs=768,#f=32,fs=37632,fl=423504,ds=13786368,de=8237, data=13786896,se=28489,ts=1869182049,ls=8293,rc=0,fc=4294967295] kernel: Transaction block size = 512 kernel: VFS: Can't find a valid MSDOS filesystem on dev 16:40. kernel: hdd:5ll_rw_block: device 16:40: only 512-char blocks implemented (1024) kernel: unable to read partition table which suggests that if 1K blocks were implemented, this would Just Work...? There is an option for specifying a block size when mounting, you could try the option blocksize=1024. Your mount command would look like this: mount -t vfat -o blocksize=1024 /dev/hdd4 /mnt/point That can't be the right conclusion -- I was running the same 2.2.19 kernel under RH7 that I'm running now under Debian, built from stock sources. Are you using the exact same kernel (ie. copied the kernel from the Redhat /boot to the Debian /boot), or are you using the same kernel revision, but you went through the menuconfig or xconfig seperately. If so, you might want to check the Zip-Drive mini-howto (should be under /usr/doc/HOWTO/en-txt/mini), and make sure that you have all the relevant kernel options for IDE zip drives (I have a SCSI zip myself, so Linux just treats it as another fixed disk). Cheers, Sean -- Sean Quinlan ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: IOMEGA ZIP-100 / ZIP-250 -- banging my head against the wall
On Sat, Aug 18, 2001 at 12:12:03AM +0100, Sean Quinlan wrote: * Phil Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] (2001-08-17 23:50): I'm not subscribed -- haven't needed help yet, Debian is that good :-) -- so please cc me on replies. Done, I'd suggest sending all replies to this mail to the list as well as myself, as you'll reach a much larger audience :) Definitely. :-) Quick version: after perusing the archives of this list, I found my ZIP-250 drive (hdd) and tried mounting a plain ZIP-100 disk with 'mount -t vfat /dev/hdd4 /mnt/point'. I got the 'bad superblock, no such fs, or something else' error message that others have reported. I presume from the above that your zip drive is connected to the second channel of your second IDE controller? Are you able to mount any zip250 disks? If so, do you use the same mount command? Yes, haven't tried, and probably, in that order. You could try cfdisk /dev/hdd to see the partitions, maybe this disk doesn't have /dev/hdd4 as its partition. By default, the 4th partition is used (anyone know why that is?), but maybe its been repartitioned or something. Good idea: [~]# cfdisk -Ps /dev/hdd Partition Table for /dev/hdd FirstLast # Type Sector Sector Offset Length Filesystem Type (ID) Flags -- --- - -- - -- - 4 Primary0 196607 32 196608 FAT16 (06) Boot (80) [~]# I've never heard why they come with slice 4 as the active partition. There is an option for specifying a block size when mounting, you could try the option blocksize=1024. Your mount command would look like this: mount -t vfat -o blocksize=1024 /dev/hdd4 /mnt/point I tried this just now, still no joy. I am seeing something with hdd4 that I don't see with any other device name, however, regardless of mount options: [~]# mount /dev/hdd4 /mnt/point mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdd4, or too many mounted file systems - (could this be the IDE device where you in fact use - ide-scsi so that sr0 or sda or so is needed?) [~]# There's nothing special about this IDE controller, it's just an onboard controller from a plain Dell mobo. I tried sr0 and sda, they failed (not surprisingly). That can't be the right conclusion -- I was running the same 2.2.19 kernel under RH7 that I'm running now under Debian, built from stock sources. Are you using the exact same kernel (ie. copied the kernel from the Redhat /boot to the Debian /boot), or are you using the same kernel revision, but you went through the menuconfig or xconfig seperately. No but no. :-) I kept the .config file resulting from the kernel build with me, to seed the configuration. So it's not the same image file, but it is the same configuration. If so, you might want to check the Zip-Drive mini-howto (should be under /usr/doc/HOWTO/en-txt/mini), and make sure that you have all the relevant kernel options for IDE zip drives (I have a SCSI zip myself, so Linux just treats it as another fixed disk). I think I do, but I'll check tonight. Thanks, Phil -- Would I had phrases that are not known, utterances that are strange, in new language that has not been used, free from repetition, not an utterance which has grown stale, which men of old have spoken. - anonymous Egyptian scribe, c.1700 BC
Re: iomega zip disk (100)
*- On 9 Jul, Wendell Buckner wrote about iomega zip disk (100) Has anyone out there attempted to use a iomega zip disk with linux? I see from the invformation on the debian website that it can be done. Has anyone run into problems trying to do this? If so, please let me know, cause I plan on attaching one to my Linux P.C. soon and I'd like it to go a smooth as possible! I'm primarily doing this so I can put some of X -windows deb's on them(zip disks). Some of the files are to big for a floppy and zip disk would be an ideal(available) medium that I can use. [Ack!! Use word wrap!] Sure, I am using a scsi internal version. Looks just like a regular scsi disk to the os. Read the ZIP-Drive mini HOWTO for more info on the other variants. -- Brian - Mechanical Engineering [EMAIL PROTECTED] Purdue University http://www.ecn.purdue.edu/~servis -
Re: iomega zip disk (100)
There is a mini HOWTO on this. Which zip disk will you be using, Parallel, IDE or SCSI? My experience has been that as long as you don't use the Tecra install*, this is trivial. The following commands: insmod ppa mkdir /mnt/zip(if this doesn't exist already) mount -t vfat /dev/sda4 /mnt/zip allow you to access a DOS-formatted zip disk in a parallel drive from the directory /mnt/zip. Works much better than NT (where the parallel ZIP drivers slow down the PC to an unusable level - anyone know why this is? I've never seen anything else hose my NT workstation's performance so badly). * Anyone know what the problem is with the tecra install? If I try to do a 'insmod ppa' on my laptop after installing the tecra base system, I get a error message saying that several functions (or entry points, or something like that) are missing. It looks like some sort of dynamic linking problem, but I don't know enough about linux dynamic linking to diagnose the problem. Yet I can put ppa in /etc/modules and it works fine. I'd rather load and unload the parallel ZIP driver dynamically, since I usually connect the drive after I've booted. Mark --- Mark Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Wendell Buckner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user@lists.debian.org debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: Friday, July 09, 1999 2:19 PM Subject: iomega zip disk (100) Has anyone out there attempted to use a iomega zip disk with linux? I see from the invformation on the debian website that it can be done. Has anyone run into problems trying to do this? If so, please let me know, cause I plan on attaching one to my Linux P.C. soon and I'd like it to go a smooth as possible! I'm primarily doing this so I can put some of X -windows deb's on them(zip disks). Some of the files are to big for a floppy and zip disk would be an ideal(available) medium that I can use. Thanks, Wxb1
Re: iomega zip disk (100)
On Fri, Jul 09, 1999 at 03:18:15PM -0700, Wendell Buckner wrote: Has anyone out there attempted to use a iomega zip disk with linux? I see from the invformation on the debian website that it can be done. Has anyone run into problems trying to do this? If so, please let me know, cause I plan on attaching one to my Linux P.C. soon and I'd like it to go a smooth as possible! I'm primarily doing this so I can put some of X -windows deb's on them(zip disks). Some of the files are to big for a floppy and zip disk would be an ideal(available) medium that I can use. It is actually amazingly simple. But you are going to need some background before getting started. You will need to know how to compile the kernel. If you can't do that you can't do. If you can never mind. See Kernel-HOWTO. You will need to download the 2.2.x kernel. Simply compile the kernel with scsi disk support (compile it as a module) then in the SCSI portion of the config file (i.e., make menuconfig); also under 'additional low level drivers' say yes to iomega zip (the ppa.o and ppm.o modules). That's it. I would use the kernel-package application do compile the kernel. After you save your .config file in the /usr/src/linux dir, do 'make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_package' this will build the kernel into a deb file so that you can dpkg -i the kernel in. This handle module installation as well. Then modprobe sd_mod scsi_mod ppa. This will install the iomega drive capability and you will mount it on /dev/sda. That's it! That's it. Thanks, Wxb1 -- _ NatePuri (natedawg) o m p a g e s . c o m Certified Law Student p e r c r v t i o f i McGeorge School of Law e d i c a e a n m n Sacramento, CA n i v e t r y m d [EMAIL PROTECTED] a a s e y s t u s [EMAIL PROTECTED] t s d o h n http://www.ompages.com e n i i UIN: 43371366 e s t y
Re: iomega zip disk (100)
i've not used a SCSI or parallel Zip drive with Linux, but i have had good results with the internal IDE version (100MB). to use it, you need your kernel compiled with the ide-floppy support enabled. i have found some Zip disks (media) that i couldn't mount under linux. i don't know why, as Win95 would see them fine. i was using vfat as the fs type, but mount would sometimes complain about it being wrong. i couldn't trace it to anything. i did a mkdosfs on the raw device (for me, /dev/hdc) and it seemed to format the disk and it would work fine, from both Linux and Win95. kind of strange, but not a huge problem, and i haven't experienced any other problems since. i haven't seen anything about the 250MB version. On 9 Jul, Wendell Buckner wrote: Has anyone out there attempted to use a iomega zip disk with linux? I see from the invformation on the debian website that it can be done. Has anyone run into problems trying to do this? If so, please let me know, cause I plan on attaching one to my Linux P.C. soon and I'd like it to go a smooth as possible! I'm primarily doing this so I can put some of X -windows deb's on them(zip disks). Some of the files are to big for a floppy and zip disk would be an ideal(available) medium that I can use. Thanks, Wxb1 -- eric Farris [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.bigfoot.com/~eafarris Systems Administrator Appalachian Laboratory, UMCES http://al.umces.edu/ This message composed in an MFCE (Microsoft Free Computing Environment). Courtesy of Debian GNU/Linux www.debian.org A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the crowd. -- Max Lucado
Re: iomega zip disk (100)
Mark Wright wrote: There is a mini HOWTO on this. Which zip disk will you be using, Parallel, IDE or SCSI? My experience has been that as long as you don't use the Tecra install*, this is trivial... * Anyone know what the problem is with the tecra install? If I try to do a 'insmod ppa' on my laptop after installing the tecra base system, I get a error message saying that several functions (or entry points, or something like that) are missing. It looks like some sort of dynamic linking problem, but I don't know enough about linux dynamic linking to diagnose the problem. Yet I can put ppa in /etc/modules and it works fine. I'd rather load and unload the parallel ZIP driver dynamically, since I usually connect the drive after I've booted. I had to use tecra for my laptop and this problem does not occur, perhaps because the plugin zip drive is ide and not parallel port? -- Charles B. (Ben) Cranston mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.wam.umd.edu/~zben
Re: iomega zip disk (100)
I just upgraded to 2.2.9 and when I do a insmod ppa or modprobe ppa, I get : /lib/modules/2.2.9/scsi/ppa.o: init_module: Device or resource busy dmesg tells me : parport0: PC-style at 0x378 [SPP,PS2,EPP] ppa: Version 2.03 (for Linux 2.2.x) WARNING - no ppa compatible devices found. As of 31/Aug/1998 Iomega started shipping parallel port ZIP drives with a different interface which is supported by the imm (ZIP Plus) driver. If the cable is marked with AutoDetect, this is what has happened. scsi : 0 hosts It worked just fine on 2.0.36, what did I do to screw this up? --Jeff On Fri, Jul 09, 1999 at 12:54:31PM -0700, Nate wrote: On Fri, Jul 09, 1999 at 03:18:15PM -0700, Wendell Buckner wrote: Has anyone out there attempted to use a iomega zip disk with linux? I see from the invformation on the debian website that it can be done. Has anyone run into problems trying to do this? If so, please let me know, cause I plan on attaching one to my Linux P.C. soon and I'd like it to go a smooth as possible! I'm primarily doing this so I can put some of X -windows deb's on them(zip disks). Some of the files are to big for a floppy and zip disk would be an ideal(available) medium that I can use. It is actually amazingly simple. But you are going to need some background before getting started. You will need to know how to compile the kernel. If you can't do that you can't do. If you can never mind. See Kernel-HOWTO. You will need to download the 2.2.x kernel. Simply compile the kernel with scsi disk support (compile it as a module) then in the SCSI portion of the config file (i.e., make menuconfig); also under 'additional low level drivers' say yes to iomega zip (the ppa.o and ppm.o modules). That's it. I would use the kernel-package application do compile the kernel. After you save your .config file in the /usr/src/linux dir, do 'make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_package' this will build the kernel into a deb file so that you can dpkg -i the kernel in. This handle module installation as well. Then modprobe sd_mod scsi_mod ppa. This will install the iomega drive capability and you will mount it on /dev/sda. That's it! That's it. Thanks, Wxb1 -- _ NatePuri (natedawg) o m p a g e s . c o m Certified Law Student p e r c r v t i o f i McGeorge School of Lawe d i c a e a n m n Sacramento, CAn i v e t r y m d [EMAIL PROTECTED] a a s e y s t u s [EMAIL PROTECTED] t s d o h n http://www.ompages.come n i i UIN: 43371366 e s t y -- --- Jeff Beley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Network Administrator PGP Key ID 0x0B2F82FD
Re: iomega zip disk (100)
On Fri, 9 Jul 1999, Mark Wright wrote: * Anyone know what the problem is with the tecra install? If I try to do a 'insmod ppa' on my laptop after installing the tecra base system, I get a error message saying that several functions (or entry points, or something like that) are missing. It looks like some sort of dynamic linking problem, but I don't know enough about linux dynamic linking to diagnose the problem. Yet I can put ppa in /etc/modules and it works fine. I'd rather load and unload the parallel ZIP driver dynamically, since I usually connect the drive after I've booted. did you try 'modprobe ppa' instead? modprobe should automatically load the modules that ppa is dependent upon. -Brad
Re: Iomega ZIP 100
Juan Valdemoro Saiz wrote: Si alguien pudiese enviar a la lista las conclusiones que se sacaron la otra vez, le estaría muy agradecido. He encontrado un mensaje, que puede ser el que tú recuerdas: http://www.debian.org/Lists-Archives/debian-user-spanish-9902/msg00291.html Allí (y en los threads siguientes) se habla del kernel 2.0.36, de que para los 2.0.x hay que estar usando modprobe y rmmod continuamente porque la ZIP y la impresora no pueden trabajar simultáneamente, y que todo eso se soluciona con los kernels 2.2.x. Si quieres pasarte al 2.2.1 te puedo mandarte mi /usr/src/kernel-source-2.2.1/.config con soporte en módulos de ZIP-100 (modelo puerto paralelo) e impresora, para que te sirva de guía a la hora de hacer el make menuconfig. ¡Va genial el kernel 2.2.1! -- Conrado Badenas (Assistant Lecturer) Department of Thermodynamics. University of Valencia c/. Doctor Moliner, 50 | e-m: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 46100 Burjassot (Valencia) | Phn: +34-63864350 SPAIN| Fax: +34-63983385
Re: Iomega ZIP 100
Juan Valdemoro Saiz wrote: . Lo màximo que detecte 1 hosts scsi, pero no me deja montarla. Bueno, mi zip no es scsi, pero el problema que tuve yo por lo que he oido es bastante normal y por si acaso lo comento: ¿Que partición del zip montas? Al parecer por compatibilidad con antigüos MAC los zip vienen formateados en la partición 4, de modo que lo que tienes que montar es hdd4 (en mi caso) o sdX4 (siendo scsi). Lo mismo no tiene nada que ver con tu problema pero por si acaso... Saludos Diego -- == Linux User #95110 Segmentation fault Coredumped ==
Re: Iomega zip drive
On Tue, Mar 16, 1999 at 08:29:38AM -0800, Alessandro Z wrote: I'm trying to have my Iomega zip drive working under Linux. I previously successfully compiled the kernel to support the zip drive with a SuSE distro, now I'm trying with Debian and Red Hat on different PC. In both cases there's something wrong. After compiling the kernel including: -- scsi support=yes scsi disk support=yes Iomega Zip support as a module parallel printer as module and running lilo to use the new kernel I get an error when trying to install ppa: If your zip drive is quite new, then Iomega have started using a new protocol, so a different driver is needed. It's in Linux 2.2; I don't know if you can get it for 2.0. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3TYD [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Debian packages at ftp://ftp.rising.com.au/pub/hamish. PGP#EFA6B9D5 CCs of replies from mailing lists are welcome. http://hamish.home.ml.org
Re: Iomega zip drive
Alessandro Z wrote: After compiling the kernel including: -- scsi support=yes scsi disk support=yes Iomega Zip support as a module parallel printer as module and running lilo to use the new kernel I get an error when trying to install ppa: What about rebooting after running lilo? insmod ppa I also get error messages with insmod because ppa depends on modules that could not be installed in the kernel. The file /lib/modules/2.2.1/modules.dep says that ppa depends on scsi_mod, and parport. But when I modprobe ppa I get no error messages if the ZIP drive is connected. Now it is not here, and so I get: /lib/modules/2.2.1/scsi/ppa.o: init_module: Device or resource busy parport: Device or resource busy -- PPA: unable to initialise controller at 0x378, error 1 scsi: 0 hosts /lib/modules/2.0.xx/scsi/ppa.o: init_module: Device or resource busy I see that you use kernel 2.0.xx. I didn't know that kernel in the 2.0 series supported ZIP drives. I think that my last 2.0.35 didn't included ZIP drives. Nevertheless, I include below some of the critical CONFIG's in file /usr/src/kernel-source-2.2.1/.config after running make menuconfig for paralel port ZIP drive, in case you want to compile kernel 2.2.1: # Loadable module support CONFIG_MODULES=y CONFIG_MODVERSIONS=y CONFIG_KMOD=y # General setup CONFIG_PARPORT=m CONFIG_PARPORT_PC=m # CONFIG_PARPORT_OTHER is not set # Plug and Play support CONFIG_PNP=y CONFIG_PNP_PARPORT=m # Additional Block Devices CONFIG_PARIDE_PARPORT=m # CONFIG_PARIDE is not set # SCSI support CONFIG_SCSI=m # SCSI support type (disk, tape, CD-ROM) CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SD=m # SCSI low-level drivers CONFIG_SCSI_PPA=m # CONFIG_SCSI_IMM is not set CONFIG_SCSI_IZIP_EPP16=y # CONFIG_SCSI_IZIP_SLOW_CTR is not set # Character devices CONFIG_PRINTER=m CONFIG_PRINTER_READBACK=y -- Conrado Badenas (Assistant Lecturer) Department of Thermodynamics. University of Valencia c/. Doctor Moliner, 50 | e-m: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 46100 Burjassot (Valencia) | Phn: +34-63864350 SPAIN| Fax: +34-63983385
Re: iomega zip (scsi)
On Sat, Nov 14, 1998 at 02:10:57AM -0500, Damir J. Naden wrote: anyone have any experience with having AHA152x driver and the zipzoom adaptor Well, all I can say is that here I run an AHA1542 with a SCSI ZIP drive just fine. Dunno if that will help you any, but may be something to keep in mind. -- Steve C. Lamb | Opinions expressed by me are not my http://www.calweb.com/~morpheus| employer's. They hired me for my ICQ: 5107343 | skills and labor, not my opinions! ---+- pgpxGElD4fXaO.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: iomega zip (scsi)
On Sat, 14 Nov 1998, Damir J. Naden wrote: [ snip ] : connect/reconnect and ncr53c8xx driver). If that is not an option, does : anyone have any experience with having AHA152x driver and the zipzoom adaptor : (if those two are going to work together at all?), and the impact on that : driver on the ncr one (or the other way around, knowing the history with : aic7xxx driver...) The Zip Zoom works fine with the AHA152x driver - not surprising since the Zip Zoom is an AHA1505. I've noticed zero problems with the driver. -- Nathan Norman MidcoNet 410 South Phillips Avenue Sioux Falls, SD mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.midco.net finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP Key: (0xA33B86E9)
Re: iomega zip (scsi)
Hi Damir, I am running an external SCSI Zip on a NCR 53c810-Controller, using the 53c8xx-driver, too. I have NEVER experienced or heard about any problems with this setup - my to disks, DAT tape and CD-Rom are quite happy. I don't know what a Zipzoom adaptor is - so I cannot comment on that. So long, Stephan -- Stephan Engelke[EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Coffee not found: Operator halted ***
Re: Iomega Zip
On Mon, 21 Sep 1998, Adrian Bridgett wrote: On Sun, Sep 20, 1998 at 11:39:48PM -0500, dsb3 wrote: [...] Unless my memory fails me, I've formatted a zip disk in ext2 complete with swap partition and installed linux. I did this at the beginning of the year when I had access to a zip drive - I still have the disk but alas don't have a drive so can't verify exactly whats on there... Anyway, the point of what I want to say is this. Why bother with ext2 on a zip disk. You're most likely going to use it to move files between computer 1 and computer 2. Possibly to take files from computer 1 and archive them offline someplace. Why do you need ext2? Long file names, permissions, its far faster (linux much prefers ext2 to any other format). Besides, I like showing the limitations of windows machines I can read your disk but you can't read mine - improved security I guess :-) Well thank goodness somebody sorted the low/high level formatting argument. I do use ext2 for my jaz disks, as I believe it's a more reliable filesystem, and that becomes increasingly important for large disks. But I don't bother with anything but FAT16 for floppies and zips (used through the parallel port). However, I get long filenames, permissions etc. How? Well everything is zipped up in zipfiles. (That's infozip zip, not iomega zip, of course.) The great advantage is that you can view or unzip any file on anybody's PC, particularly if you make sure there's a copy of unzip512.exe on every disk. Cheers, -- Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: +44 1908 653 739 Fax: +44 1908 655 151 Snail: David Wright, Earth Science Dept., Milton Keynes, England, MK7 6AA Disclaimer: These addresses are only for reaching me, and do not signify official stationery. Views expressed here are either my own or plagiarised.
Re: Iomega Zip
I certainly wish to use Zip, and eventually Jaz with Linux, and in my extreme desire to completely seperate myself from the Microsoft dictatorship, I also wish to toss the Fat16 format these disks have in favor of the far superior ext2. --- You can (or should be able to) make an ext2 filesystem on a zip or jazz drive using the mkfs command. (I have done this with floppies). Again, this is not low level formating (the sector address marks are not touched). The operation is still a raw write to physical sectors without any fs operations. That's what I mean by a highlevel format. Some hard disks cannot be low level formated (I think the ls120 super disks cannot) because they use laser holes for clock marks. The jazz and zip drives maynot expose this to the interface ie: the drive is not capable of doing a low level format, so you must by pre-formatted media. I was not sure if the low -level format for the zips were different between the pc and mac flavors, I guess only the high level file system stuff is different. _ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Iomega Zip
I certainly wish to use Zip, and eventually Jaz with Linux, and in my extreme desire to completely seperate myself from the Microsoft dictatorship, I also wish to toss the Fat16 format these disks have in favor of the far superior ext2. Unless my memory fails me, I've formatted a zip disk in ext2 complete with swap partition and installed linux. I did this at the beginning of the year when I had access to a zip drive - I still have the disk but alas don't have a drive so can't verify exactly whats on there... Anyway, the point of what I want to say is this. Why bother with ext2 on a zip disk. You're most likely going to use it to move files between computer 1 and computer 2. Possibly to take files from computer 1 and archive them offline someplace. Why do you need ext2? If you plan to use the zip disk as anything other than archive media I might agree with you. If not, I have to think you're barking up the wrong tree. DOS isn't such a bad format for floppies, which in essence is what a zip disk is. Why not do what I do and take a peek at Calderas web pages for DRDOS7 ... a pleasant alternative to the microsoft product. (www.caldera.com) dave -- | oOOooO / [EMAIL PROTECTED] --|oOobodoO/ We're just two lost souls, swimming in a --| ooOoOo /fish bowl, year after year. Running over | II / the same old ground, what have we found, | II / The same old fears. Wish you were Here.
Re: Iomega Zip
mjv wrote: BTW - Someone posted that it would be unwise to reformat for Linux because of the lack of Iomega disk tools causing data loss. Seems bogus to me.
Re: Iomega Zip
On Sun, Sep 20, 1998 at 11:39:48PM -0500, dsb3 wrote: I certainly wish to use Zip, and eventually Jaz with Linux, and in my extreme desire to completely seperate myself from the Microsoft dictatorship, I also wish to toss the Fat16 format these disks have in favor of the far superior ext2. Unless my memory fails me, I've formatted a zip disk in ext2 complete with swap partition and installed linux. I did this at the beginning of the year when I had access to a zip drive - I still have the disk but alas don't have a drive so can't verify exactly whats on there... Anyway, the point of what I want to say is this. Why bother with ext2 on a zip disk. You're most likely going to use it to move files between computer 1 and computer 2. Possibly to take files from computer 1 and archive them offline someplace. Why do you need ext2? Long file names, permissions, its far faster (linux much prefers ext2 to any other format). Besides, I like showing the limitations of windows machines I can read your disk but you can't read mine - improved security I guess :-) Adrian (who always has more ext2 diskspace than DOS/NTFS diskspave g) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.poboxes.com/adrian.bridgett Windows NT - Unix in beta-testing. PGP key available on public key servers Debian Linux http://www.debian.org The superior Linux distribution
Re: Iomega Zip
As far as Mac and PC flavors, I believe it's possible to reformat a Mac Zip to a PC Zip, and vice versa - They come preformatted for much the same reason floppies do - for our convenience. Mike Kenneth Scharf wrote: Not only that, but I don't think that you can low level format a zip drive, as you can with a floppy. You MUST buy preformatted zips, which is why they come in PC and Mac flavors. ---
Re: Iomega Zip
You're absolutely right, Mike! I personally have a half dozen pre-formatted Mac Zips I'm using with my Pentium. Adalberto Michael Vanecek wrote: As far as Mac and PC flavors, I believe it's possible to reformat a Mac Zip to a PC Zip, and vice versa - They come preformatted for much the same reason floppies do - for our convenience. Mike Kenneth Scharf wrote: Not only that, but I don't think that you can low level format a zip drive, as you can with a floppy. You MUST buy preformatted zips, which is why they come in PC and Mac flavors. --- -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- Adalberto da Silva Instituto Astronomico e Geofisico Universidade de Sao Paulo Brasil [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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In article [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Not only that, but I don't think that you can low level format a zip drive, as you can with a floppy. You MUST buy preformatted zips, which is why they come in PC and Mac flavors. No. I've bought Mac-format (HFS) floppies and reformatted them for use on DOS/Windows machines. Granted, I did that under OS/2. (Yes, I do use lots of operating systems, why do you ask?) So one *can* reformat a Zip disk. I suspect fdformat would work, but I've never had to do it under Linux so that's a complete guess. -- Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] Manager, Dueling Modems Computer Forum http://dm.net
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Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 21:56:57 -0300 Ok let me correct myself. What you did was to highlevel format the zip drive to work with a dos or mac file system (like doing a mkfs). But you CANNOT lowlevel format a zip drive to increase it's capacity as you can for a floppy. You have no control over the drive's lowlevel parameters. - You're absolutely right, Mike! I personally have a half dozen pre-formatted Mac Zips I'm using with my Pentium. _ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Iomega Zip
Thanks for that clarification. I think someone went looking for some tar and feathers. :) BTW - Someone posted that it would be unwise to reformat for Linux because of the lack of Iomega disk tools causing data loss. Please elaborate. We've been working and reformatting disks on our Macs sans the tools (we just have the basic driver loaded). Also, when you get the option to do maintanance to the disk on a Windoze system, the standard defrag/scandisk dialogue comes up, and the reformat is the stock Windows flavor. The only good I've seen with the utilities is the find utility, so I don't load them. Is there something I'm missing? I certainly wish to use Zip, and eventually Jaz with Linux, and in my extreme desire to completely seperate myself from the Microsoft dictatorship, I also wish to toss the Fat16 format these disks have in favor of the far superior ext2. Mike You wrote: Ok let me correct myself. What you did was to highlevel format the zip drive to work with a dos or mac file system (like doing a mkfs). But you CANNOT lowlevel format a zip drive to increase it's capacity as you can for a floppy. You have no control over the drive's lowlevel parameters.
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I have not followed every detail of this tread, but I think there may be some confusion here about low level and High level formating. Putting a file system on a disk is the same thing as high level formating. I have created ext2 file systems on a zip drive. The command (if memory serves) was mkfs.ext2 /dev/sda4 mkfs has many options you may want to read them. I also keep a msdos system on a zip drive which I use with dosemu. This saves harddisk space, but lets me have access to dos if I actually need it. And of course these file systems are easily trasportable and mountable on other machines. According to the zip howto you can put a small linux system on a zip drive therby having linux available on any machine you attach your zipdrive to. That is the next thing I will try Tom
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On Sun, Sep 20, 1998 at 10:41:58AM -0400, Tom Malloy wrote: According to the zip howto you can put a small linux system on a zip drive therby having linux available on any machine you attach your zipdrive to. That is the next thing I will try FWIW, I've done it and the procedure I used is detailed at the URL in my sig. Luck, Pann -- What's All the Buzz About Linux? http://www.rdrop.com/users/pann/
Re: Iomega Zip
On 20 Sep 1998 22:57:18 +0200, in list.linux.debian.user you wrote: I have an Iomega zip drive that i used in win98, but when i do mount /dev/sda /zip -t msdos it won't let me saying it doesn't recognize a block device tehre, anyone know the problem? Perhaps i'm useing the wrong dev or there is something else? Yes, it's the wrong device. You have to use /dev/sda4. /dev/sda is the whole disk not a partition to mount. On every preformated ZIP-disk the fourth partition entry is used. Should solve your problem. A little tip: use fdisk -l /dev/sda or with any other harddisk to see all partitions. Juergen
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On Fri, Sep 18, 1998 at 09:56:49AM -0700, mjv wrote: Also, I assume I can create a Linux fs on a zip disk - and I assume that since we can squeeze 1.6meg from a regular floppy, the same could be true with squeezing extra space from the Zip floppy. Anyone have any experience with this? I'd say no chance. The floppy drive allows you to use higher density and more tracks than are usually used on floppy disks, but there's no reason to think that the Zip drive will let you do this. Since it's Iomega-controlled, I'm pretty sure they'd be using the absolutely maximum reliable capacity of the disk. With floppy drives, individual manufactures can't just started calling their drives 1.6mb because they're standard drives. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3TYD [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Debian packages at ftp://ftp.rising.com.au/pub/hamish. PGP#EFA6B9D5 CCs of replies from mailing lists are welcome. http://hamish.home.ml.org
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On Fri, Sep 18, 1998 at 09:56:49AM -0700, mjv wrote: That's funny, I just mounted the zip w/o the -t msdos, and it still mounted fine. Am I playing Russian Roulette by doing that? Also, I assume I can create a Linux fs on a zip disk - and I assume that since we can squeeze 1.6meg from a regular floppy, the same could be true with squeezing extra space from the Zip floppy. Anyone have any experience with this? I wish to create a backup disk for all the programs I download (the dos format truncates the names - and I'd rather store Linux files on a Linux file system) You can squeeze more out of a floppy by doing a more efficient low-level format (which divides the disk into little bits). However since the Zip disk is seen as a SCSI disk, I doubt you can get more than the ~100MB they store. You can repartition and reformat them (high level reformat) with a ext2 filesystem - I did this so that I can have /dev/sda1 rather than the silly /dev/sda4! Adrian email: [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.poboxes.com/adrian.bridgett Windows NT - Unix in beta-testing. PGP key available on public key servers Debian Linux http://www.debian.org The superior Linux distribution
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Not only that, but I don't think that you can low level format a zip drive, as you can with a floppy. You MUST buy preformatted zips, which is why they come in PC and Mac flavors. --- On Fri, Sep 18, 1998 at 09:56:49AM -0700, mjv wrote: Also, I assume I can create a Linux fs on a zip disk - and I assume that since we can squeeze 1.6meg from a regular floppy, the same could be true with squeezing extra space from the Zip floppy. Anyone have any experience with this? I'd say no chance. The floppy drive allows you to use higher density and more tracks than are usually used on floppy disks, but there's no reason to think that the Zip drive will let you do this. Since it's Iomega-controlled, I'm pretty sure they'd be using the absolutely maximum reliable capacity of the disk. With floppy drives, individual manufactures can't just started calling their drives 1.6mb because they're standard drives. _ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
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That's too easy :) Are there any dependencies I should know about? Thanks, Mike Stef wrote: I have computers that don't have cd's so I installed the base system from floppies. (It works! :) What do I have to do to set up a zip drive on the parallel port so I can start installing packages (can't handle a stack of hundreds of floppies). You just insmod the module for ZIP. Its in the section of the scsi modules (yes, also if your ZIP is not the scsi version, but just the parallel port flavour!) Then you can mount /dev/sda4 /mnt/zip if your ZIP disk is an ordinary dos one and you first did a mkdir /mnt/zip. Stef --
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Okay, I'm a little confused. I have everything the disks installed (the five install disks I made with rawrite), but I don't see any module for scsi on the hd. Where would I find that, and what would the syntax be for insmod? Trust that I'm familiar with Linux, but still very new. (This is my first install - not bad) Thanks for your help. Thanks, Mike Stef Hoesli Wiederwald wrote: I have computers that don't have cd's so I installed the base system from floppies. (It works! :) What do I have to do to set up a zip drive on the parallel port so I can start installing packages (can't handle a stack of hundreds of floppies). You just insmod the module for ZIP. Its in the section of the scsi modules (yes, also if your ZIP is not the scsi version, but just the parallel port flavour!) Then you can mount /dev/sda4 /mnt/zip if your ZIP disk is an ordinary dos one and you first did a mkdir /mnt/zip. Stef -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
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Okay, I'm a little confused. I have everything the disks installed (the five install disks I made with rawrite), but I don't see any module for scsi on the hd. Where would I find that, and what would the syntax be for insmod? If you start your installation from the rescue disk, you will get to a stage where you can choose the modules you want to insert. As soon as you choosen the ZIP module in the scsi section, you can switch to the second console with ALT F2 and mount /dev/sda4 /somewhere. If you don't find the ZIP module in the list, it may be that it already is included in the kernel and you can mount the ZIP disk right away. Stef
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When i do this it asks for the file system type? mount /dev/sda4 /mnt/zip hmm, it also gives me same message when i do mount /dev/hdc /cdrom i can't mount devices anymore...ouch..i konw there is easy answer to this i just forget. On Thu, 17 Sep 1998, mjv wrote: That's too easy :) Are there any dependencies I should know about? Thanks, Mike Stef wrote: I have computers that don't have cd's so I installed the base system from floppies. (It works! :) What do I have to do to set up a zip drive on the parallel port so I can start installing packages (can't handle a stack of hundreds of floppies). You just insmod the module for ZIP. Its in the section of the scsi modules (yes, also if your ZIP is not the scsi version, but just the parallel port flavour!) Then you can mount /dev/sda4 /mnt/zip if your ZIP disk is an ordinary dos one and you first did a mkdir /mnt/zip. Stef -- -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
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When i do this it asks for the file system type? mount /dev/sda4 /mnt/zip /mnt is a directory with no files. You must mount to an existing directory, which really should be empty. try: mkdir /zip mount /dev/sda4 /zip -t msdos (i'm assuming you're using a dos formatted zip) rick --
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That's funny, I just mounted the zip w/o the -t msdos, and it still mounted fine. Am I playing Russian Roulette by doing that? Also, I assume I can create a Linux fs on a zip disk - and I assume that since we can squeeze 1.6meg from a regular floppy, the same could be true with squeezing extra space from the Zip floppy. Anyone have any experience with this? I wish to create a backup disk for all the programs I download (the dos format truncates the names - and I'd rather store Linux files on a Linux file system) Mike You wrote: When i do this it asks for the file system type? mount /dev/sda4 /mnt/zip /mnt is a directory with no files. You must mount to an existing directory, which really should be empty. try: mkdir /zip mount /dev/sda4 /zip -t msdos (i'm assuming you're using a dos formatted zip) rick -- -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
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I have computers that don't have cd's so I installed the base system from floppies. (It works! :) What do I have to do to set up a zip drive on the parallel port so I can start installing packages (can't handle a stack of hundreds of floppies). You just insmod the module for ZIP. Its in the section of the scsi modules (yes, also if your ZIP is not the scsi version, but just the parallel port flavour!) Then you can mount /dev/sda4 /mnt/zip if your ZIP disk is an ordinary dos one and you first did a mkdir /mnt/zip. Stef
RE: Iomega ZIP 100 a dejado de funcionar
Hola, lo he compilado en el kernel, no como modulo, y no me ha funcionado. :( Te mando mi dmesg, en el cual puedes ver la línea que empieza por ide2 en la cual creo que hay un error. Más bien algún conflicto de interrupciones o algo asi. La verdad, no tengo ni la más mínima idea de que es lo que hago mal. Un saludo, J. Parera P.D. utilizo la fuente latina lat1u-16.psf y al ejecutar, por ejemplo, make menuconfig los bordes de la ventana no me salen bien. Creo que se les denomina carácteres gráficos. Cómo lo soluciono? antes con el kernel 2.0.30 la Iomega ZIP 100 por puerto paralelo me funcionaba bien pero ahora que utilizo el kernel 2.0.34 ha dejado de funcionarme. vamo'a ve... $ cd linux $ make menuconfig Loadable module support [Y] Enable loadable module support [Y] Set version information on all symbols for modules [Y] Kernel daemon support (e.g. autoload of modules) SCSI Support M SCSI Support M SCSI disk support SCSI low-level drivers M IOMEGA Parallel Port ZIP drive SCSI support Character Devices M Parallel printer support ... y eso debería funcionar (perdón por el otro mensaje, pero no me dí cuenta y te mandé las cosas de un kernel 2.1.105, o algo así) Marcelo dmesg_lineide2 Description: Binary data
Re: Iomega ZIP 100 a dejado de funcionar
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Thu, 2 Jul 1998, Marcelo E. Magallon wrote: El problema es ese... no puedes tener las dos cosas simultáneamente... o van como módulos las dos, o pones solo el ppa en el kernel. O usas el núcleo 2.1.x (el último es el 2.1.108) donde existe un controlador integrado del puerto paralelo que gestiona la unidad ZIP y la impresora al mismo tiempo. A mí me funciona muy bien, sobre todo desde que me dijeron que si se selecciona el modo EPP en el/la BIOS, va mucho más rápido ;-) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: latin1 iQCVAgUBNZvWhiqK7IlOjMLFAQH8CQQAmZ5+AYguU205pwPSV7/c0/dhZv0/LKR2 Ym9H+OTS+nAc1AASqVQYvVUznjnWY6lc/rccmT43iIp0AlaGGyDneEDuOeOH37ec YYyFrs4serYhIKFaOPDVfWwN4ld4AGhSEylfDhHiVRT1ywHuYuOB5pC5Aya0EKhm 3pUOWNoLckE= =rz1s -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Iomega ZIP Drive(100Meg)
On Wed, Jul 01, 1998 at 11:38:06AM -0700, Syed Huq wrote: I have a Iomega ZIP Drive(100Meg, parallel port). How do I make Linux see all the files there ? Do I need to mount that drive somehow ? Can you tell me the commands to use ? This really belongs in debian-user, so the To: header has been altered accordingly. You have to mount the thing, yes. You need a kernel with the zip parallel module in it. Agh, where's a 2.0.x source tree when I need one? (I run 2.1.x myself) The driver is under the SCSI options, it's the ppa driver. According to the old unmaintained Zip howto, you couldn't have the ppa driver and the parport driver installed at the same time. I'm certain this has changed now, so you'll have to play with it. Note that the Zip disks are formatted with one partition on /dev/sda4 (assuming you don't have another SCSI card else you'd be using it now and you'd not be asking about the ppa driver..) however most people just mke2fs /dev/sda and call it good. The DOS driver will thereafter probably not like the disk, but. You can repartition the disk with [c]fdisk if you wish, but I don't know what that would do to the DOS driver either. (Though I'm eager to try it when I get a new SCSI cable--thanks bdale!) Upon getting this thing working again, I am looking at putting together a Zip rescue disk and package to create same probably from both a group of .debs and an installed system and a few other things.. There are holes still in doing it, sooo... I'm also considering other Zip-related packages and an update of the howto as soon as I can get current information to update it with... g pgpAFStKTsbpX.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Iomega ZIP 100 por puerto paralelo
On Wed, Jun 24, 1998 at 06:23:39PM +0200, J. Parera wrote: compilar el kernel uso make menuconfig en el cual se puede obserbar que tiene opciones diferentes a mi anterior kernel por lo que agradecería a que si alguien ha conseguido compilar el kernel con soporte para la ZIP (a ser posible no compilado como modulo) me dijese que opciones ha puesto. (resolviste lo de NLS? Te mande un mensaje, pero *creo* que me reboto) Debes poner: Parallel Port Support PC-Style Hardware (SCSI) Iomega Parallel Port ZIP drive SCSI support y creo que eso era... Marcelo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
