Re: My web site is back

[Stuart Longland]

On 09/12/15 02:58, Darac Marjal wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 08, 2015 at 11:15:50AM -0500, Stephen Powell wrote:
> 
>> Old site: h t t p : / / u s e r s . w o w w a y . c o m / ~ z l i n u
>> x m a n /
>>
>> New site: http://www.stevesdebianstuff.org/
>>
>> If you have bookmarks set for the old site you should update your
>> bookmarks. Some pages from the old site are not on the new site
>> because I judged them to be obsolete.
> 
> To which, the venerable W3C replied "Cool URIs don't change":
> http://www.w3.org/Provider/Style/URI.html

The W3C clearly haven't considered the case of a hosting provider
pulling the plug on a customer.

The same happened to countless Geocities users years ago.

I had to change uRLs myself just recently.  I had my own hosting, but
used a free dynamic DNS service (yi.org) to provide the hostname.  That
was set up years ago when I had no income and was at university.

They started acting up this year, with failed DNS resolution issues, and
a management site that was really misbehaving badly.  I now earn an
income, so I figured it was high time for me to move.  Hence the new domain.

In my case, I was fortunate the old domain still intermittently worked
(and still does work), and so I was able to put the redirects in place.
 Had yi.org just folded altogether however, I'd be stuck in the same way
that Stephen was.
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Re: My web site is back

[Stuart Longland]

On 10/12/15 01:48, Stephen Powell wrote:
> So far, I haven't
> yet figured out how to upload files via their control panel,
> but the account comes with FTP service, so I was able to upload
> my files via FTP.

Probably for the better, a superior option of course would be sftp or
rsync/ssh if they permit that.

I'm always a bit leery of web-based file upload facilities.

Regards,
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Re: My web site is back

[mister . s . jones]

On Wednesday, December 09, 2015 10:48:53 Stephen Powell wrote:
> On Tue, 08 Dec 2015 18:55:43 -0500 (EST), Gener Badenas wrote:
> > How much is the hosting now and with whom?
> 
> $48 for hosting, $9.00 for domain registration, total $57.
> Good for one year.  I'll have to pay again next year.
> I decided to go with debian-hosting.info.  So far, I haven't
> yet figured out how to upload files via their control panel,
> but the account comes with FTP service, so I was able to upload
> my files via FTP.
> 
> By the way, I have no business interest in debian-hosting.info,
> other than being one of their newest customers.


 Good choice 

 LostSon

Re: My web site is back

[Stephen Powell]

On Tue, 08 Dec 2015 18:55:43 -0500 (EST), Gener Badenas wrote:
> 
> How much is the hosting now and with whom?

$48 for hosting, $9.00 for domain registration, total $57.
Good for one year.  I'll have to pay again next year.
I decided to go with debian-hosting.info.  So far, I haven't
yet figured out how to upload files via their control panel,
but the account comes with FTP service, so I was able to upload
my files via FTP.

By the way, I have no business interest in debian-hosting.info,
other than being one of their newest customers.

Re: My web site is back

[Darac Marjal]

On Tue, Dec 08, 2015 at 11:15:50AM -0500, Stephen Powell wrote:

Old site: h t t p : / / u s e r s . w o w w a y . c o m / ~ z l i n u x 
m a n /


New site: http://www.stevesdebianstuff.org/

If you have bookmarks set for the old site you should update your 
bookmarks. Some pages from the old site are not on the new site because 
I judged them to be obsolete.


To which, the venerable W3C replied "Cool URIs don't change":
http://www.w3.org/Provider/Style/URI.html

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Re: My web site is back

[Martin Read]

On 08/12/15 16:58, Darac Marjal wrote:

On Tue, Dec 08, 2015 at 11:15:50AM -0500, Stephen Powell wrote:

If you have bookmarks set for the old site you should update your
bookmarks. Some pages from the old site are not on the new site
because I judged them to be obsolete.


To which, the venerable W3C replied "Cool URIs don't change":
http://www.w3.org/Provider/Style/URI.html


Your criticism is invalid, given that the action that has clearly been 
taken here is "change my URIs so that in future they're under a domain I 
control instead of a domain someone *else* controls".


(Also, given the behaviour of search engines, "Pretty much the only good 
reason for a document to disappear from the Web is that the company 
which owned the domain name went out of business or can no longer afford 
to keep the server running." is a beautiful theoretical principle with 
no grounding in practicality.)

Re: My web site is back

[Felix Miata]

Darac Marjal composed on 2015-12-08 16:58 (UTC):

> On Tue, Dec 08, 2015 at 11:15:50AM -0500, Stephen Powell wrote:

>>Old site: h t t p : / / u s e r s . w o w w a y . c o m / ~ z l i n u x m a n 
>>/

>>New site: http://www.stevesdebianstuff.org/

>>If you have bookmarks set for the old site you should update your 
>>bookmarks. Some pages from the old site are not on the new site because 
>>I judged them to be obsolete.

> To which, the venerable W3C replied "Cool URIs don't change":
> http://www.w3.org/Provider/Style/URI.html

Exactly:

"Cool URIs don't change"

Since when is any homepage on http://users.isp.com/~username "cool"? They
don't last anyway, because users don't keep one ISP forever, and cannot keep
the old URI when switching.
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words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

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Re: My web site is back

[Gener Badenas]

On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 5:50 AM, Stephen Powell  wrote:

> On Tue, 08 Dec 2015 12:36:44 -0500 (EST), Martin Read wrote:
> > On 08/12/15 16:58, Darac Marjal wrote:
> >>
> >> To which, the venerable W3C replied "Cool URIs don't change":
> >> http://www.w3.org/Provider/Style/URI.html
> >
> > Your criticism is invalid, given that the action that has clearly been
> > taken here is "change my URIs so that in future they're under a domain I
> > control instead of a domain someone *else* controls".
> >
> > (Also, given the behaviour of search engines, "Pretty much the only good
> > reason for a document to disappear from the Web is that the company
> > which owned the domain name went out of business or can no longer afford
> > to keep the server running." is a beautiful theoretical principle with
> > no grounding in practicality.)
>
> Actually, I didn't change my web site name for either reason.  I changed it
> because my ISP decided to discontinue their web hosting service.  (Or maybe
> they just decided to discontinue their *free* web hosting service provided
> to *home* users of their cable modem internet connectivity.  They may still
> provide a *for charge* web hosting service to their *business* customers.
> I wouldn't know.)  In any case, they "pulled the plug" on me.  I now pay
> for a web hosting service that I used to get free.  But I will admit that
>

How much is the hosting now and with whom?


> the new URL is more "cool" than the old one.  :-)
>
>


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Re: My web site is back

[Stephen Powell]

On Tue, 08 Dec 2015 12:36:44 -0500 (EST), Martin Read wrote:
> On 08/12/15 16:58, Darac Marjal wrote:
>>
>> To which, the venerable W3C replied "Cool URIs don't change":
>> http://www.w3.org/Provider/Style/URI.html
> 
> Your criticism is invalid, given that the action that has clearly been 
> taken here is "change my URIs so that in future they're under a domain I 
> control instead of a domain someone *else* controls".
> 
> (Also, given the behaviour of search engines, "Pretty much the only good 
> reason for a document to disappear from the Web is that the company 
> which owned the domain name went out of business or can no longer afford 
> to keep the server running." is a beautiful theoretical principle with 
> no grounding in practicality.)

Actually, I didn't change my web site name for either reason.  I changed it
because my ISP decided to discontinue their web hosting service.  (Or maybe
they just decided to discontinue their *free* web hosting service provided
to *home* users of their cable modem internet connectivity.  They may still
provide a *for charge* web hosting service to their *business* customers.
I wouldn't know.)  In any case, they "pulled the plug" on me.  I now pay
for a web hosting service that I used to get free.  But I will admit that
the new URL is more "cool" than the old one.  :-)