Re: Wine in bullseye, which way to go?
Am 02.02.2024 um 15:10:32 Uhr schrieb Greg Wooledge: > It's dying, I would say. Not all the way dead just yet. That's why I think it's time to change to amd64 before it is completely dead. > The next release will not offer an *installer* for i386, but upgrades > from Debian 12 i386 to Debian 13 i386 might continue to work. IIRC those packages will still exist for backwards compatibility for certain application, but I read the rumor that no current i386 kernel will be available. -- Gruß Marco Spam und Werbung bitte an ichschickerekl...@cartoonies.org
Re: Wine in bullseye, which way to go?
On 2/2/24 9:10 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote: I am not sure what do you mean by "install that architecture". I have been using i386 versions of Debian, and I do not plan to reinstall it now just because the CPU may allow that. At some point, you will have to make a decision. i386 is going to stop being supported sooner or later. Yeah, I know that. Until then I will try to get the most out of this i386 installation as-is. In any case, I managed to get rid of some 250+ amd64 packages that came with pretty useless wine (5.0.3-3) installation from the bullseye repo. After deinstalling wine & related software (in Synaptic), I ran apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, and apt autoremove. It freed cca 1GB. After reboot, all was clean, so I decided to go with wine via WineHQ. I followed their published procedure for bullseye installation, and after a while it ended up with wine version 9, which for now seems functional. Will update the list in days to come ... Misko
Re: Wine in bullseye, which way to go?
On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 2:59 PM Marco Moock wrote: > Am 01.02.2024 um 18:03:47 Uhr schrieb sko...@uns.ac.rs: > > > I am not sure what do you mean by "install that architecture". I have > > been using i386 versions of Debian, and I do not plan to reinstall it > > now just because the CPU may allow that. So instead, I ask whether it > > was expected and properly when Synaptic installed lots of 64-bit > > stuff during Wine installation from repo. Was it ok or not? Or shall > > I remove it and follow instructions from WineHQ website? > > According to documentation I found in the internet, it is possible to > upgrade a Debian system to the amd64 architecture. > Maybe do that, but do a full backup before. > > i386 is dead for Debian, the next release won't be available for i386. > It is about time i386 is killed off. 64bit processors have been in production for over 20 years now. I am all for getting the most out of hardware but considering you can get a Intel Core2 Laptop with 4GB of RAM for less that $100 refurbished there is no real reason to keep i386 around. As long as you have a i386 kernel, you can't use amd64 software on it. > > -- > Gruß > Marco > > Spam und Werbung bitte an ichschickerekl...@cartoonies.org > > -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org/ ⠈⠳⣄⠀⠀
Re: Wine in bullseye, which way to go?
On Fri, Feb 02, 2024 at 08:59:18PM +0100, Marco Moock wrote: > According to documentation I found in the internet, it is possible to > upgrade a Debian system to the amd64 architecture. That isn't an upgrade, and it isn't a supported operation. Some people have *done* it, but it's very much at-your-own-risk. > Maybe do that, but do a full backup before. I wouldn't recommend it, certainly not for someone who's operating with less than a full understanding of the situation. > i386 is dead for Debian, the next release won't be available for i386. It's dying, I would say. Not all the way dead just yet. The next release will not offer an *installer* for i386, but upgrades from Debian 12 i386 to Debian 13 i386 might continue to work. That bears its own risks. Support for i386 is likely to be less than full. Things will probably start breaking and not getting fixed, more and more often as the years roll on, until it's officially declared dead. > As long as you have a i386 kernel, you can't use amd64 software on it. This is true. > Am 01.02.2024 um 18:03:47 Uhr schrieb sko...@uns.ac.rs: > > > I am not sure what do you mean by "install that architecture". I have > > been using i386 versions of Debian, and I do not plan to reinstall it > > now just because the CPU may allow that. At some point, you will have to make a decision. i386 is going to stop being supported sooner or later.
Re: Wine in bullseye, which way to go?
Am 01.02.2024 um 18:03:47 Uhr schrieb sko...@uns.ac.rs: > I am not sure what do you mean by "install that architecture". I have > been using i386 versions of Debian, and I do not plan to reinstall it > now just because the CPU may allow that. So instead, I ask whether it > was expected and properly when Synaptic installed lots of 64-bit > stuff during Wine installation from repo. Was it ok or not? Or shall > I remove it and follow instructions from WineHQ website? According to documentation I found in the internet, it is possible to upgrade a Debian system to the amd64 architecture. Maybe do that, but do a full backup before. i386 is dead for Debian, the next release won't be available for i386. As long as you have a i386 kernel, you can't use amd64 software on it. -- Gruß Marco Spam und Werbung bitte an ichschickerekl...@cartoonies.org
Re: Wine in bullseye, which way to go?
> Am 01.02.2024 schrieb sko...@uns.ac.rs: > >> CPU op-mode(s): 32-bit, 64-bit > Model name: Pentium(R) Dual-Core CPU T4500 > > That processor can run amd64 Debian, so install that architecture. > > I am not sure what do you mean by "install that architecture". I have been using i386 versions of Debian, and I do not plan to reinstall it now just because the CPU may allow that. So instead, I ask whether it was expected and properly when Synaptic installed lots of 64-bit stuff during Wine installation from repo. Was it ok or not? Or shall I remove it and follow instructions from WineHQ website?
Re: Wine in bullseye, which way to go?
Am 01.02.2024 schrieb sko...@uns.ac.rs: > CPU op-mode(s): 32-bit, 64-bit Model name: Pentium(R) Dual-Core CPU T4500 That processor can run amd64 Debian, so install that architecture.
Re: Wine in bullseye, which way to go?
> Am 01.02.2024 schrieb Miroslav Skoric : > >> This time I was puzzled when noticed that Synaptic installed lots of >> amd64 packages even though my system is i386. > > Run > uname -a > lscpu > > and post it here. > > If your system is i386 only, amd64 software can't run on it. > Remove that architecture from dpkg. > > uname -a Linux localhost 5.10.0-27-686 #1 SMP Debian 5.10.205-2 (2023-12-31) i686 GNU/Linux lscpu Architecture: i686 CPU op-mode(s): 32-bit, 64-bit Byte Order: Little Endian Address sizes: 36 bits physical, 48 bits virtual CPU(s): 2 On-line CPU(s) list:0,1 Thread(s) per core: 1 Core(s) per socket: 2 Socket(s): 1 Vendor ID: GenuineIntel CPU family: 6 Model: 23 Model name: Pentium(R) Dual-Core CPU T4500 @ 2.30 GHz Stepping: 10 CPU MHz:1316.130 CPU max MHz:2300. CPU min MHz:1200. BogoMIPS: 4588.77 L1d cache: 64 KiB L1i cache: 64 KiB L2 cache: 1 MiB Vulnerability Gather data sampling: Not affected Vulnerability Itlb multihit:KVM: Mitigation: VMX unsupported Vulnerability L1tf: Vulnerable Vulnerability Mds: Vulnerable: Clear CPU buffers attempted, no microcode; SMT disabled Vulnerability Meltdown: Vulnerable Vulnerability Mmio stale data: Unknown: No mitigations Vulnerability Retbleed: Not affected Vulnerability Spec rstack overflow: Not affected Vulnerability Spec store bypass:Vulnerable Vulnerability Spectre v1: Mitigation; usercopy/swapgs barriers and __u ser pointer sanitization Vulnerability Spectre v2: Mitigation; Retpolines, STIBP disabled, RSB filling, PBRSB-eIBRS Not affected Vulnerability Srbds:Not affected Vulnerability Tsx async abort: Not affected Flags: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ht tm pbe nx lm constant_ tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts cpuid aperfmperf p ni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr pdcm xsave lahf_lm dtherm
Re: Wine in bullseye, which way to go?
Am 01.02.2024 schrieb Miroslav Skoric : > This time I was puzzled when noticed that Synaptic installed lots of > amd64 packages even though my system is i386. Run uname -a lscpu and post it here. If your system is i386 only, amd64 software can't run on it. Remove that architecture from dpkg.
