Re: X-windows copy/paste mess [SOLVED]
On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 17:13:01 + (UTC), I wrote: I'm running testing (Wheezy) and am failing to get copy/paste working cleanly among my most common windows, namely: several xterms virtualbox running a virtual XP client iceweasel ... Is there any way to get all of these programs to use the same selection? I'd be happy if xterm could be told to always copy to both PRIMARY and CLIPBOARD, but it seems you have to pick one or the other. There were no follow-ups, so maybe no one was interested in this problem. But I did eventually find a solution here: http://www.davidsimmons.com/soft/xtermhacks/ and will post it in case anyone else can benefit. The solution was to add this to ~/.Xresources: XTerm*VT100.translations: #override Btn1Up: select-end(PRIMARY, CLIPBOARD, CUT_BUFFER0) I can't say that I fully understand the syntax, but supposedly it does the following: xterm copies a highlighted selection into both CLIPBOARD and PRIMARY (and also a cut buffer) text is pasted from CLIPBOARD if there is nothing in PRIMARY Here are the results of copy/paste tests after the change: + xterm - iceweasel URL window + iceweasel URL window - xterm + iceweasel main window - xterm + acroread - xterm + xterm - Explorer URL window + Explorer URL window - xterm + Explorer main window - xterm + xterm - Word + Word - xterm + Acrobat - xterm + Explorer URL window - iceweasel URL window - iceweasel URL window - Explorer URL window - iceweasel URL window - Word Here Explorer, Word, and Acrobat were in the virtualbox XP client. `+' means the paste worked; `-' means it didn't. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/loom.20110322t211241-...@post.gmane.org
RE: X Windows
Run Level ý deðiþtirmeniz gerekmektedir. Run Level komutu ile çalýmýþ olduðunuz level ý görebilirsiniz, init komutu ile de bu çalýþma seviyenizi deðiþtirme þansýnýz var. Örneðin init2 gibi. From: Eren Mustafa KESDi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user-turkish@lists.debian.org Subject: X Windows Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 11:30:51 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from murphy.debian.org ([70.103.162.31]) by bay0-mc5-f2.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2444); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 01:31:05 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])by murphy.debian.org (Postfix) with QMQPid DBF332E1B6; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 03:31:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from viper.elinuxservers.com (mail.viper.elinuxservers.com [64.235.242.10])by murphy.debian.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2560B2E171for debian-user-turkish@lists.debian.org; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 03:30:56 -0600 (CST) Received: from [85.99.33.73] (port=2792 helo=eren)by viper.elinuxservers.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63)(envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED])id 1HHcx4-0007dz-8ofor debian-user-turkish@lists.debian.org; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 01:30:54 -0800 X-Message-Info: LsUYwwHHNt3IVUfVhKnCYEzs444euRw+rTLlheu7FmY= Old-Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.4 (2006-07-26) on murphy.debian.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=4.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,LDOSUBSCRIBER,MSGID_FROM_MTA_ID,OUR_MTA_MSGID autolearn=no version=3.1.4 X-Original-To: debian-user-turkish@lists.debian.org X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 thread-index: AcdQ44zbZKCCbOD3Qky6E8h+I+izAgAAFKng X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Pass-two: yes X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - viper.elinuxservers.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lists.debian.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kesdi.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Rc-Virus: 2006-10-25_01 X-Rc-Spam: 2007-01-18_01 Resent-Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-From: debian-user-turkish@lists.debian.org X-Mailing-List: debian-user-turkish@lists.debian.org archive/latest/11434 X-Loop: debian-user-turkish@lists.debian.org List-Id: debian-user-turkish.lists.debian.org List-Post: mailto:debian-user-turkish@lists.debian.org List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: list Resent-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 03:31:04 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Feb 2007 09:31:05.0560 (UTC) FILETIME=[04244580:01C750E4] X Windows un açýlýþta otomatik gelmemesi için ne yapabiliriz. Sadece startX ya da X ile manuel çalýþtýrýnca çalýþsa. Nasýl açýlýþta çalýþmasýný engelleyebiliriz? _ Invite your Hotmail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp007001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=createwx_url=/friends.aspxmkt=en-us -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X Windows
Selamlar; /etc/inittab dosyanizi # The default runlevel is defined here id:3:initdefault: gibi degistirebilirsiniz. Sizin bu satirda id:5 ... olan degeri 3 yapmaniz gerekiyor. iyi calismalar Afsin. eren kesdi writes: X Windows un açılışta otomatik gelmemesi için ne yapabiliriz. Sadece startX ya da X ile manuel çalıştırınca çalışsa. Nasıl açılışta çalışmasını engelleyebiliriz ? Afsin TASKIRAN EnderUnix Core Team Member EnderUnix SDT ~ Turkey www.enderunix.org/afsin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X Windows
eren kesdi wrote: X Windows un açılışta otomatik gelmemesi için ne yapabiliriz. Sadece startX ya da X ile manuel çalıştırınca çalışsa. Nasıl açılışta çalışmasını engelleyebiliriz ? /etc/init.d/gdm ( ya da kullandiginiz yoneticiyinin ) scriptini silebilir veya chmod 000 yaparak, baslangicta yoneticinin calismasini engelleyebilirsiniz. Boylece X acilmaz. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X Windows
Onur Aslan, 15.02.2007 tarihinde şöyle yazmış: eren kesdi wrote: X Windows un açılışta otomatik gelmemesi için ne yapabiliriz. Sadece startX ya da X ile manuel çalıştırınca çalışsa. Nasıl açılışta çalışmasını engelleyebiliriz ? /etc/init.d/gdm ( ya da kullandiginiz yoneticiyinin ) scriptini silebilir veya chmod 000 yaparak, baslangicta yoneticinin calismasini engelleyebilirsiniz. Boylece X acilmaz. Bunun yerine gdm paketini sistemden kaldırmak daha temiz olur bence. (gdm'e bağımlı olan diğer paketleri de kaldırmak ister herhalde ama çoğunlukla sanal paketler olacağından onları da kaldırabilirsiniz diye tahmin ediyorum. [Benim bilgisayarımda şu anda ne gdm, ne kdm, ne de xdm var, sorunsuz bir şekilde gnome kullanıyorum.]) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X Windows
Em 06/10/06, Leonardo Larsen Rocha[EMAIL PROTECTED] escreveu: Pessoal, Quando o XWindows entra ele sempre exibe uma tela padrăo meio cinza, e com o ícone do mouse no formato de X, existe uma maneira de quando entrar nessa tela ao invés de cinza deixar tudo AZUL ??? Não que eu saiba - acho que isso nunca foi previsto... De qquer maneira, cuidado ao escrever X-Window System - não tem o s no final. Não confunda c/ outro sistema operacional que existe por ai no mercado... :-) -- Marcos
Re: X Windows not installed
On Mon, Jun 26, 2006 at 00:29:01 -0400, Joey Hess wrote: Michael M. wrote: Florian Kulzer wrote: Make sure you have the packages discover1 (for 2.6 kernels) or discover (for 2.4 kernels) installed, as well as xresprobe, Oh, so *that's* the difference between 'discover' and 'discover1'! I No, neither discover1 nor discover 2 are kernel specific. discover 2 is a rewritten version of discover; both are basically obsolete in Debian with a 2.6 kernel with the exception of being used for initial X hardware detection. Thank you for the clarification. When I was confused about the issue I googled through the Debian site and found switched kernels 2.6 to discover1 (or similar) in some installer changelog. (Sorry, can't find the exact link right now.) That was obviously a red herring. -- Regards, Florian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X Windows not installed
Le dimanche 25 juin 2006 à 09:28 +0800, Dr Bean a écrit : On Thu, 22 Jun 2006, Thibaut Paumard wrote: Le jeudi 22 juin 2006 ? 20:03 +0800, Dr Bean a ?crit : I don't think I have X Windows installed. How do I now install it? [...] I have now a perfectly good console-based linux system, but exec startx doesn't give me X Windows. This is a late answer. Sorry. No problem. [...] Also give some details about your system (video hardware). Where would I get that. dmesg says just: Console: colour VGA+ 80x25 The sources of information for that would be: - the manual for your computer; - the website of the manufacturer if you can determine a brand and model for the beast; - lspci; - open the box and look at the labels on the card; - if you also have Windows (or any other OS) on the same machine, have a look at the other OS's configuration. Regards, T. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X Windows not installed
On Sun, 25 Jun 2006, Thibaut Paumard wrote: Le dimanche 25 juin 2006 ? 09:28 +0800, Dr Bean a ?crit : Also give some details about your system (video hardware). Where would I get that. dmesg says just: Console: colour VGA+ 80x25 The sources of information for that would be: .. - lspci; .. lspci says: :01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 86C326 5598/6326 (rev d2) I now remember however, the X error message I got when I was trying to start X. It was not a video error. It was a mouse error, no pointer device found. When I was installing, I was asked some questions about the mouse, eg was it a serial port or PS/2, and then given a choice of files. I chose the default, /dev/input/mice. The last time I tried installing I didn't see these questions. Instead, I was asked to move the mouse around so the installer could determine the type. -- Dr Bean Success is going from failure to failure without a loss of enthusiasm-- Winston Churchill -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X Windows not installed
On Sun, Jun 25, 2006 at 16:58:14 +0800, Dr Bean wrote: On Sun, 25 Jun 2006, Thibaut Paumard wrote: Le dimanche 25 juin 2006 ? 09:28 +0800, Dr Bean a ?crit : Also give some details about your system (video hardware). Where would I get that. dmesg says just: Console: colour VGA+ 80x25 The sources of information for that would be: .. - lspci; .. lspci says: :01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 86C326 5598/6326 (rev d2) I now remember however, the X error message I got when I was trying to start X. It was not a video error. It was a mouse error, no pointer device found. When I was installing, I was asked some questions about the mouse, eg was it a serial port or PS/2, and then given a choice of files. I chose the default, /dev/input/mice. The last time I tried installing I didn't see these questions. Instead, I was asked to move the mouse around so the installer could determine the type. Make sure you have the packages discover1 (for 2.6 kernels) or discover (for 2.4 kernels) installed, as well as xresprobe, mdetect, read-edid and, if applicable, laptop-detect. Then run (as root) dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and you should get a proper configuration. If the mouse still fails you can run (again as root) mdetect -x to see which settings are correct. Your graphics card should be supported by the sis driver and the configuration dialog should allow you to select the appropriate resolution(s). -- Regards, Florian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X Windows not installed
Florian Kulzer wrote: Make sure you have the packages discover1 (for 2.6 kernels) or discover (for 2.4 kernels) installed, as well as xresprobe, mdetect, read-edid and, if applicable, laptop-detect. Then run (as root) dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and you should get a proper configuration. If the mouse still fails you can run (again as root) mdetect -x to see which settings are correct. Your graphics card should be supported by the sis driver and the configuration dialog should allow you to select the appropriate resolution(s). Oh, so *that's* the difference between 'discover' and 'discover1'! I wondered about that, but in my laziness I hadn't investigated yet. I kept wondering if I should remove 'discover1' and install 'discover' (the two packages conflict) because whatever documentation I'd read said you need 'discover' if you want auto-detection. I never saw anything about 'discover1.' But I kinda figured the system knew best what it needed ... at least, I hoped so. It seems to me a simple line in the package descriptions of each would clear up any potential for confusion. Well now I know -- thanks! -- Michael M. ++ Portland, OR ++ USA No live organism can continue for long to exist sanely under conditions of absolute reality; even larks and katydids are supposed, by some, to dream. --S. Jackson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X Windows not installed
Michael M. wrote: Florian Kulzer wrote: Make sure you have the packages discover1 (for 2.6 kernels) or discover (for 2.4 kernels) installed, as well as xresprobe, Oh, so *that's* the difference between 'discover' and 'discover1'! I No, neither discover1 nor discover 2 are kernel specific. discover 2 is a rewritten version of discover; both are basically obsolete in Debian with a 2.6 kernel with the exception of being used for initial X hardware detection. -- see shy jo signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: X Windows not installed
On Thu, 22 Jun 2006, Thibaut Paumard wrote: Le jeudi 22 juin 2006 ? 20:03 +0800, Dr Bean a ?crit : I don't think I have X Windows installed. How do I now install it? [...] I have now a perfectly good console-based linux system, but exec startx doesn't give me X Windows. This is a late answer. Sorry. I think there was some user error ;-) involved. Now I reinstalled sarge, and I have X. Everything is OK. I think I may have confused sid and sarge. They're easy to confuse. But you do have startx? Do you get a command not found error, or a hole bunch of lines? I think I got a number of lines. If it's the latter, then X is there but not configured properly. Please post the error message you get when issuing startx. The error was ... I've forgotten. Also give some details about your system (video hardware). Where would I get that. dmesg says just: Console: colour VGA+ 80x25 I used apt-get to install gnome, which may explain a few X11 libs I have and some X docs in /usr/share. [...] If you installed gnome, then I'd say it's impossible you didn't install X as well. Floria Kulzer said that this is not so, because someone might be running X from another machine, and so not want it on the X client, the machine which has gnome. The lesson I learned from this experience was, 1. debian users are very helpful. 2. debian is different than fedora 3. be careful about what you are doing -- Dr BeanNo trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a great many instructions were executed. --from Richard Rognlie's signature -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X Windows not installed
Le jeudi 22 juin 2006 à 20:03 +0800, Dr Bean a écrit : I don't think I have X Windows installed. How do I now install it? [...] I have now a perfectly good console-based linux system, but exec startx doesn't give me X Windows. But you do have startx? Do you get a command not found error, or a hole bunch of lines? If it's the latter, then X is there but not configured properly. Please post the error message you get when issuing startx. Also give some details about your system (video hardware). I used apt-get to install gnome, which may explain a few X11 libs I have and some X docs in /usr/share. [...] If you installed gnome, then I'd say it's impossible you didn't install X as well. Thibaut. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X Windows not installed
On Thu, Jun 22, 2006 at 20:03:33 +0800, Dr Bean wrote: I don't think I have X Windows installed. How do I now install it? Installing sid with installer-i386, I was given a choice about what kind of setup I wanted, eg a personal workstation, an Internet server, etc. With the cursor on the personal workstation, I hit Enter and was surprised by the installer immediately starting to do something. I expected some more questions. That part of the setup is handled by a utility called tasksel. You can run it again if you want a second chance. (But you don't have to, see below.) The trick is to move the cursor to an item and then press SPACE to select it. An asterisk will indicate that an option has been selected. What it was doing I don't think had anything to do with installing a personal workstation, which is mainly X Windows, I think. I didn't get asked whether I wanted gnome or KDE for example. I have now a perfectly good console-based linux system, but exec startx doesn't give me X Windows. I used apt-get to install gnome, which may explain a few X11 libs I have and some X docs in /usr/share. Installing Gnome does not automatically pull the Xorg packages because you could be running the X server on another machine and therefore not want the X packages on the client computer which runs Gnome. Assuming debian-installer didn't install X Windows, how do I now do that? Can I do it with apt-get? Or do I have to start from the start again and boot the system with debian-installer? None of the packages in the X Window System software package list seem to be relevant. Normally it should be enough to run apt-get install xorg (You also need a package which provides x-window-manager, but I think installing Gnome takes care of that by pulling in metacity.) If you want a graphical log-in screen you can install the package gdm. -- Regards, Florian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X-Windows Problems - Solved
On Sat, May 27, 2006 at 01:20:17AM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote: On Fri, May 26, 2006 at 10:20:08 -0400, Thomas H. George wrote: On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 12:34:45PM -0400, Thomas H. George wrote: [...] That all sounds like there are some configuration problems in your system. Maybe you still have old configuration files which were not upgraded properly. You could try to purge gdm and xdm and then reinstall them: apt-get --purge remove xdm gdm apt-get install xdm gdm (The --purge option makes sure that all configuration files are removed, therefore you will get the up-to-date ones from the new packages when you install xdm and gdm again.) -- Regards, Florian Yes, that did the trick and everything seems to be working normally now except the Wacom mouse. I'll start a new thread for that. Thanks, Tom -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X-Windows Problems - Progress
Thomas H. George wrote: On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 02:04:57PM -0400, Thomas H. George wrote: On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 11:30:37AM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote: On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 16:41:09 -0400, Thomas H. George wrote: I am stumbling through the move from Sarge to testing. I have managed to get gdm to start but if I switch to a console I lose the window and must restart gdm. Equally frustrating, my Wacom tablet mouse is not recognized though it worked perfectly in Sarge and the wacom module is installed. This may be because I have not yet installed x-window-system-core. Apt-get reports that this package and 457 other packages are not installed as they cannot be verified. Should I go ahead and install them anyway? Which archive signing keys are known to your apt-key? Post the output of apt-key list and the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list file, then we can tell you which ones are missing (and how to install them). I would first try to complete the upgrade and install all packages before addressing the X problem. [...] Thank you for you assistance, Florian. I am attaching the output of apt-key list and sources.list. # See sources.list(5) for more information, especialy # Remember that you can only use http, ftp or file URIs # CDROMs are managed through the apt-cdrom tool. # deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian oldstable main contrib non-free # deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free # deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free # deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free # deb http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/ binary/ # deb-src http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt source/ deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sarge main deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free deb http://security.debian.org testing/updates main contrib non-free # Uncomment if you want the apt-get source function to work deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free Best regards, Tom Florian's comments led me to recognize the link to ftp.nerim.net might be the problem. I commented out and was able to complete the upgrade though I still had to purge glibc-doc to resolve a conflict. After completing the upgrade I had no X-windows at all. strace /etc/init.d/gdm restart revealed no gdm in /usr/bin. I found it in /usr/sbin and was able to start the program from there. I can now switch back and forth between X-windows (Ctl-Alt-F7) and consoles (Ctl-Alt-F1, etc) with no problems. The Wacom mouse still does not work. I found and installed xserver-xorg-input-wacom but this has not helped. The Debian Changelog in /usr/share/doc/wacom-tools seems to indicate unresolved problems. I will wait for new updates. I just did the dist-upgrade from Sarge to Sid and ran into Xorg also of course. Resolved all of that, probably because I don't have a left handed mouse but a two-seater that runs fine. Remains the incompatibility between Sarge's mysql and Sid's: this message comes up every boot: Fri May 26 05:16:49 2006: This script updates all the mysql privilege tables to be usable by Fri May 26 05:16:49 2006: MySQL 4.0 and above. Fri May 26 05:16:49 2006: Fri May 26 05:16:49 2006: This is needed if you want to use the new GRANT functions, Fri May 26 05:16:49 2006: CREATE AGGREGATE FUNCTION, stored procedures, or Fri May 26 05:16:49 2006: more secure passwords in 4.1 Fri May 26 05:16:49 2006: Fri May 26 05:16:49 2006: @(#)Network Audio System Release 1.7 Fri May 26 05:16:49 2006: Got a failure from command: Fri May 26 05:16:49 2006: cat /usr/share/mysql/mysql_fix_privilege_tables.sql | /usr/bin/mysql --verbose --no-def$ Fri May 26 05:16:49 2006: Please check the above output and try again. Fri May 26 05:16:49 2006: Fri May 26 05:16:49 2006: Running the script with the --verbose option may give you some information Fri May 26 05:16:49 2006: of what went wrong. Fri May 26 05:16:49 2006: Fri May 26 05:16:49 2006: If you get an 'Access denied' error, you should run this script again and Fri May 26 05:16:49 2006: give the MySQL root user password as an argument with the --password= option H -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X-Windows Problems - Puzzled
On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 12:34:45PM -0400, Thomas H. George wrote: On Wed, May 24, 2006 at 03:09:39PM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote: On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 14:04:57 -0400, Thomas H. George wrote: On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 11:30:37AM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote: On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 16:41:09 -0400, Thomas H. George wrote: I am stumbling through the move from Sarge to testing. I have managed to get gdm to start but if I switch to a console I lose the window and must restart gdm. Equally frustrating, my Wacom tablet mouse is not recognized though it worked perfectly in Sarge and the wacom module is installed. This may be because I have not yet installed x-window-system-core. Apt-get reports that this package and 457 other packages are not installed as they cannot be verified. Should I go ahead and install them anyway? [...] Testing is using Xorg instead of Xfree86. Once you have downloaded the archive keys and completed the upgrade, you can try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. (This should happen automatically during the upgrade anyway.) If you still have problems with Xorg after that, post the output of the following three commands: lspci | grep -i vga awk '/Section (Device|Monitor|Screen)/,/EndSection/' /etc/X11/xorg.conf egrep '^\((EE|WW)\)' /var/log/Xorg.0.log [...] Thank you for you assistance, Florian. I am attaching the output of apt-key list and sources.list. /etc/apt/trusted.gpg pub 1024R/1DB114E0 2004-01-15 [expired: 2005-01-27] uid Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2004) [EMAIL PROTECTED] pub 1024D/4F368D5D 2005-01-31 [expired: 2006-01-31] uid Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2005) [EMAIL PROTECTED] pub 1024D/B5F5BBED 2005-04-24 uid Debian AMD64 Archive Key debian-amd64@lists.debian.org sub 2048g/34FC6FE5 2005-04-24 pub 1024D/2D230C5F 2006-01-03 [expires: 2007-02-07] uid Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2006) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sarge main deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free deb http://security.debian.org testing/updates main contrib non-free That looks OK to me; the only thing that I notice is that you are missing Christian Marillat's signing key. I would propose to ignore this for now and to just comment out the ftp.nerim.net line. (I also think you have to change sarge to etch or testing now.) When the problem with X/gdm is settled you can always get the key as described here http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/05/msg02309.html and install what you want from Marillat's packages. [...] I think your problem is the result of an incomplete transition from XFree86 to Xorg. With the ftp.nerim.net line commented out, try apt-get update again. If apt is still missing some amd64-specific keys (I don't know too much about those) then it should at least give you the numbers of those keys. Post these numbers here and we can tell you were to find the corresponding keys. With all keys provided you should be able to do apt-get install -f to fix all unresolved issues. Once that works without errors and an apt-get dist-upgrade tells you that there are no more packages to upgrade, you should have a working Xorg. If that does not work we have to take a closer look, but first apt-get has to bring your system into a consistent state by completing the upgrade. -- Regards, Florian I now have all the lines in sources.list commented out except those for testing. I ran apt-get install -f followed by apt-get update then apt-get dist-upgrade and, finally, apt-get install -f again with no problems. The final apt-get install -f exited with 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 removed and 0 not upgraded Rebooted. A line with a red + went by with a message something to the effect: 'files not mounted with error code 96' but the system started at console tty1, no X-window. Logged on as root, went to /usr/sbin and ran gdm. X-window gnome logon screen came up and I logged on as tom, started Mozilla and read mail. Still cannot use Wacom mouse, lsmod shows wacom module loaded, not used. Regards, Tom Every now and then Mozilla locks up - i.e. mouse pointer moves on screen, clicks still do nothing. To escape I go to ~/.mozilla/default, get the pid that lock points to and kill it. It occurred to me to try to start xdm rather than gdm. This didn't work and strace /etc/init.d/xdm start indicated the failure was because there is no xdm in /usr/bin/X11. whereis xdm found it in /usr/bin but I could not start it from there as I have been starting gdm from /usr/sbin. As reported in another posting,
Re: X-Windows Problems, xorgcfg error
The thread is tangled because some of my previous posting have not shown up as yet. Continuing to try to get the Wacom mouse to work, ran xorgcfg. The program runs but with output to stderror Failed to initialize module list. strace xorgcfg shows it is looking in /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/linux. The directory /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers contains the modules for the video drivers but no subdirectory linux. I also went to linuxwacom webpage section on adding input devices and used this information to manually edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf. The expert mode of xorgcfg shows these additions but still no wacom mouse. Tom George -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X-Windows Problems - Puzzled
On Fri, May 26, 2006 at 10:20:08 -0400, Thomas H. George wrote: On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 12:34:45PM -0400, Thomas H. George wrote: [...] I now have all the lines in sources.list commented out except those for testing. I ran apt-get install -f followed by apt-get update then apt-get dist-upgrade and, finally, apt-get install -f again with no problems. The final apt-get install -f exited with 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 removed and 0 not upgraded Rebooted. A line with a red + went by with a message something to the effect: 'files not mounted with error code 96' but the system started at console tty1, no X-window. Logged on as root, went to /usr/sbin and ran gdm. X-window gnome logon screen came up and I logged on as tom, started Mozilla and read mail. Still cannot use Wacom mouse, lsmod shows wacom module loaded, not used. Regards, Tom Every now and then Mozilla locks up - i.e. mouse pointer moves on screen, clicks still do nothing. To escape I go to ~/.mozilla/default, get the pid that lock points to and kill it. It occurred to me to try to start xdm rather than gdm. This didn't work and strace /etc/init.d/xdm start indicated the failure was because there is no xdm in /usr/bin/X11. whereis xdm found it in /usr/bin but I could not start it from there as I have been starting gdm from /usr/sbin. That all sounds like there are some configuration problems in your system. Maybe you still have old configuration files which were not upgraded properly. You could try to purge gdm and xdm and then reinstall them: apt-get --purge remove xdm gdm apt-get install xdm gdm (The --purge option makes sure that all configuration files are removed, therefore you will get the up-to-date ones from the new packages when you install xdm and gdm again.) -- Regards, Florian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X-Windows Problems - Wacom
Tangled thread; one of yesterday's postings just showed up. A later posting reported editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf as per linuxwacom.sf.net manual. I now have the following situation: The stylus moves the cursor, the mouse does not. The mouse buttons and scroll wheel work. Tom George -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X-Windows Problems - Progress
On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 02:04:57PM -0400, Thomas H. George wrote: On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 11:30:37AM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote: On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 16:41:09 -0400, Thomas H. George wrote: I am stumbling through the move from Sarge to testing. I have managed to get gdm to start but if I switch to a console I lose the window and must restart gdm. Equally frustrating, my Wacom tablet mouse is not recognized though it worked perfectly in Sarge and the wacom module is installed. This may be because I have not yet installed x-window-system-core. Apt-get reports that this package and 457 other packages are not installed as they cannot be verified. Should I go ahead and install them anyway? Which archive signing keys are known to your apt-key? Post the output of apt-key list and the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list file, then we can tell you which ones are missing (and how to install them). I would first try to complete the upgrade and install all packages before addressing the X problem. [...] Thank you for you assistance, Florian. I am attaching the output of apt-key list and sources.list. # See sources.list(5) for more information, especialy # Remember that you can only use http, ftp or file URIs # CDROMs are managed through the apt-cdrom tool. # deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian oldstable main contrib non-free # deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free # deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free # deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free # deb http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/ binary/ # deb-src http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt source/ deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sarge main deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free deb http://security.debian.org testing/updates main contrib non-free # Uncomment if you want the apt-get source function to work deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free Best regards, Tom Florian's comments led me to recognize the link to ftp.nerim.net might be the problem. I commented out and was able to complete the upgrade though I still had to purge glibc-doc to resolve a conflict. After completing the upgrade I had no X-windows at all. strace /etc/init.d/gdm restart revealed no gdm in /usr/bin. I found it in /usr/sbin and was able to start the program from there. I can now switch back and forth between X-windows (Ctl-Alt-F7) and consoles (Ctl-Alt-F1, etc) with no problems. The Wacom mouse still does not work. I found and installed xserver-xorg-input-wacom but this has not helped. The Debian Changelog in /usr/share/doc/wacom-tools seems to indicate unresolved problems. I will wait for new updates. Tom George -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X-Windows Problems
On Wed, May 24, 2006 at 03:09:39PM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote: On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 14:04:57 -0400, Thomas H. George wrote: On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 11:30:37AM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote: On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 16:41:09 -0400, Thomas H. George wrote: I am stumbling through the move from Sarge to testing. I have managed to get gdm to start but if I switch to a console I lose the window and must restart gdm. Equally frustrating, my Wacom tablet mouse is not recognized though it worked perfectly in Sarge and the wacom module is installed. This may be because I have not yet installed x-window-system-core. Apt-get reports that this package and 457 other packages are not installed as they cannot be verified. Should I go ahead and install them anyway? [...] Testing is using Xorg instead of Xfree86. Once you have downloaded the archive keys and completed the upgrade, you can try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. (This should happen automatically during the upgrade anyway.) If you still have problems with Xorg after that, post the output of the following three commands: lspci | grep -i vga awk '/Section (Device|Monitor|Screen)/,/EndSection/' /etc/X11/xorg.conf egrep '^\((EE|WW)\)' /var/log/Xorg.0.log [...] Thank you for you assistance, Florian. I am attaching the output of apt-key list and sources.list. /etc/apt/trusted.gpg pub 1024R/1DB114E0 2004-01-15 [expired: 2005-01-27] uid Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2004) [EMAIL PROTECTED] pub 1024D/4F368D5D 2005-01-31 [expired: 2006-01-31] uid Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2005) [EMAIL PROTECTED] pub 1024D/B5F5BBED 2005-04-24 uid Debian AMD64 Archive Key debian-amd64@lists.debian.org sub 2048g/34FC6FE5 2005-04-24 pub 1024D/2D230C5F 2006-01-03 [expires: 2007-02-07] uid Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2006) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sarge main deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free deb http://security.debian.org testing/updates main contrib non-free That looks OK to me; the only thing that I notice is that you are missing Christian Marillat's signing key. I would propose to ignore this for now and to just comment out the ftp.nerim.net line. (I also think you have to change sarge to etch or testing now.) When the problem with X/gdm is settled you can always get the key as described here http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/05/msg02309.html and install what you want from Marillat's packages. [...] I think your problem is the result of an incomplete transition from XFree86 to Xorg. With the ftp.nerim.net line commented out, try apt-get update again. If apt is still missing some amd64-specific keys (I don't know too much about those) then it should at least give you the numbers of those keys. Post these numbers here and we can tell you were to find the corresponding keys. With all keys provided you should be able to do apt-get install -f to fix all unresolved issues. Once that works without errors and an apt-get dist-upgrade tells you that there are no more packages to upgrade, you should have a working Xorg. If that does not work we have to take a closer look, but first apt-get has to bring your system into a consistent state by completing the upgrade. -- Regards, Florian I now have all the lines in sources.list commented out except those for testing. I ran apt-get install -f followed by apt-get update then apt-get dist-upgrade and, finally, apt-get install -f again with no problems. The final apt-get install -f exited with 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 removed and 0 not upgraded Rebooted. A line with a red + went by with a message something to the effect: 'files not mounted with error code 96' but the system started at console tty1, no X-window. Logged on as root, went to /usr/sbin and ran gdm. X-window gnome logon screen came up and I logged on as tom, started Mozilla and read mail. Still cannot use Wacom mouse, lsmod shows wacom module loaded, not used. Regards, Tom -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X-Windows Problems
On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 11:30:37AM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote: On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 16:41:09 -0400, Thomas H. George wrote: I am stumbling through the move from Sarge to testing. I have managed to get gdm to start but if I switch to a console I lose the window and must restart gdm. Equally frustrating, my Wacom tablet mouse is not recognized though it worked perfectly in Sarge and the wacom module is installed. This may be because I have not yet installed x-window-system-core. Apt-get reports that this package and 457 other packages are not installed as they cannot be verified. Should I go ahead and install them anyway? Which archive signing keys are known to your apt-key? Post the output of apt-key list and the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list file, then we can tell you which ones are missing (and how to install them). I would first try to complete the upgrade and install all packages before addressing the X problem. [...] Next I ran apt-get dist-upgrade. After this the ethernet connection failed, gdm tried to start repeatedly and failed and there was a message that udev required kernel 2.6.12 or higher. I had 2.6.11. Next I booted from a bbc-2.1 cd and used lynx to find and download the linux-2.6.15 kernel source from the Debian website. I compiled this kernel using the .config from the 2.6.11 kernel directory, updated lilo.conf, and booted from the new kernel. The ethernet connection was restored but gdm still would not start. I tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 without success. Next I recalled that previously I had solved this problem by running xf86config from /usr/X11R6/bin. The upgrade had deleted this program but I recovered it from another computer and ran it. This created an XF86Config file in /etc/X11 and then gdm could start. Testing is using Xorg instead of Xfree86. Once you have downloaded the archive keys and completed the upgrade, you can try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. (This should happen automatically during the upgrade anyway.) If you still have problems with Xorg after that, post the output of the following three commands: lspci | grep -i vga awk '/Section (Device|Monitor|Screen)/,/EndSection/' /etc/X11/xorg.conf egrep '^\((EE|WW)\)' /var/log/Xorg.0.log -- Regards, Florian Thank you for you assistance, Florian. I am attaching the output of apt-key list and sources.list. /etc/apt/trusted.gpg pub 1024R/1DB114E0 2004-01-15 [expired: 2005-01-27] uid Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2004) [EMAIL PROTECTED] pub 1024D/4F368D5D 2005-01-31 [expired: 2006-01-31] uid Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2005) [EMAIL PROTECTED] pub 1024D/B5F5BBED 2005-04-24 uid Debian AMD64 Archive Key debian-amd64@lists.debian.org sub 2048g/34FC6FE5 2005-04-24 pub 1024D/2D230C5F 2006-01-03 [expires: 2007-02-07] uid Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2006) [EMAIL PROTECTED] # See sources.list(5) for more information, especialy # Remember that you can only use http, ftp or file URIs # CDROMs are managed through the apt-cdrom tool. # deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian oldstable main contrib non-free # deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free # deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free # deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free # deb http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/ binary/ # deb-src http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt source/ deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sarge main deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free deb http://security.debian.org testing/updates main contrib non-free # Uncomment if you want the apt-get source function to work deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free Best regards, Tom -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X-Windows Problems
On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 03:30:43AM +, s. keeling wrote: Thomas H. George [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I am stumbling through the move from Sarge to testing. I have managed There are reasons why Sarge is called stable. Stay with Sarge/stable. Testing is meant for those who *know* Debian well enough to not stumble, not for those who want newer software. I feel a little put down but not deterred and a little puzzled. Should only developers use testing? Is there not some advantage in having a larger group trying to use the packages as long as it is understood that they may fail? Tom George -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X-Windows Problems
Thomas H. George [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 03:30:43AM +, s. keeling wrote: Thomas H. George [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I am stumbling through the move from Sarge to testing. I have managed There are reasons why Sarge is called stable. Stay with Sarge/stable. Testing is meant for those who *know* Debian well enough to not stumble, not for those who want newer software. I feel a little put down but not deterred and a little puzzled. Should Not a put down. :-) only developers use testing? Is there not some advantage in having a I didn't mention developers. I said those who *know* Debian well enough to not stumble. The point of all this is to get a working system. The point of Debian is to produce stable; always has been, hopefully always will be. larger group trying to use the packages as long as it is understood that they may fail? There is, sure, but if you're stumbling with testing, how much help can you be? I think it's better for you and Debian that you have a working system from which you can continue to learn. I've been running Linux since '93, Debian since the late '90's, yet I'm still stumbling in ways. Since re-installing my system over the weekend, I can't get my printer to work. It was fine a week ago. I can't figure out how to get a left-handed mouse. No amount of fiddling with xmodmap, ~/.inputrc, or gpm repeating has had any effect. I learned how to do all that stuff a long time ago, yet here I am running a _stable_ system which is exhibiting warts. It's bloody annoying. Less experienced users might be tempted to give up on Debian if stuff like that was happening to them, and that's the last thing Debian needs. -- Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (*)http://www.spots.ab.ca/~keeling Linux Counter #80292 - -Spammers! http://www.spots.ab.ca/~keeling/emails.html http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X-Windows Problems
On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 14:04:57 -0400, Thomas H. George wrote: On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 11:30:37AM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote: On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 16:41:09 -0400, Thomas H. George wrote: I am stumbling through the move from Sarge to testing. I have managed to get gdm to start but if I switch to a console I lose the window and must restart gdm. Equally frustrating, my Wacom tablet mouse is not recognized though it worked perfectly in Sarge and the wacom module is installed. This may be because I have not yet installed x-window-system-core. Apt-get reports that this package and 457 other packages are not installed as they cannot be verified. Should I go ahead and install them anyway? [...] Testing is using Xorg instead of Xfree86. Once you have downloaded the archive keys and completed the upgrade, you can try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. (This should happen automatically during the upgrade anyway.) If you still have problems with Xorg after that, post the output of the following three commands: lspci | grep -i vga awk '/Section (Device|Monitor|Screen)/,/EndSection/' /etc/X11/xorg.conf egrep '^\((EE|WW)\)' /var/log/Xorg.0.log [...] Thank you for you assistance, Florian. I am attaching the output of apt-key list and sources.list. /etc/apt/trusted.gpg pub 1024R/1DB114E0 2004-01-15 [expired: 2005-01-27] uid Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2004) [EMAIL PROTECTED] pub 1024D/4F368D5D 2005-01-31 [expired: 2006-01-31] uid Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2005) [EMAIL PROTECTED] pub 1024D/B5F5BBED 2005-04-24 uid Debian AMD64 Archive Key debian-amd64@lists.debian.org sub 2048g/34FC6FE5 2005-04-24 pub 1024D/2D230C5F 2006-01-03 [expires: 2007-02-07] uid Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2006) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sarge main deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free deb http://security.debian.org testing/updates main contrib non-free That looks OK to me; the only thing that I notice is that you are missing Christian Marillat's signing key. I would propose to ignore this for now and to just comment out the ftp.nerim.net line. (I also think you have to change sarge to etch or testing now.) When the problem with X/gdm is settled you can always get the key as described here http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/05/msg02309.html and install what you want from Marillat's packages. [...] I think your problem is the result of an incomplete transition from XFree86 to Xorg. With the ftp.nerim.net line commented out, try apt-get update again. If apt is still missing some amd64-specific keys (I don't know too much about those) then it should at least give you the numbers of those keys. Post these numbers here and we can tell you were to find the corresponding keys. With all keys provided you should be able to do apt-get install -f to fix all unresolved issues. Once that works without errors and an apt-get dist-upgrade tells you that there are no more packages to upgrade, you should have a working Xorg. If that does not work we have to take a closer look, but first apt-get has to bring your system into a consistent state by completing the upgrade. -- Regards, Florian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X-Windows Problems
Thomas H. George [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I am stumbling through the move from Sarge to testing. I have managed There are reasons why Sarge is called stable. Stay with Sarge/stable. Testing is meant for those who *know* Debian well enough to not stumble, not for those who want newer software. -- Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (*)http://www.spots.ab.ca/~keeling Linux Counter #80292 - -Spammers! http://www.spots.ab.ca/~keeling/emails.html http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X-Windows Problems
s. keeling wrote: Thomas H. George [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I am stumbling through the move from Sarge to testing. I have managed There are reasons why Sarge is called stable. Stay with Sarge/stable. Testing is meant for those who *know* Debian well enough to not stumble, not for those who want newer software. I can see your point. However, at some point in the near future, Etch will become stable and then those who don't know Debian well enough to not stumble will be expected to upgrade their machines. Someone has to go there first. -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: X-Windows Problems
On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 16:41:09 -0400, Thomas H. George wrote: I am stumbling through the move from Sarge to testing. I have managed to get gdm to start but if I switch to a console I lose the window and must restart gdm. Equally frustrating, my Wacom tablet mouse is not recognized though it worked perfectly in Sarge and the wacom module is installed. This may be because I have not yet installed x-window-system-core. Apt-get reports that this package and 457 other packages are not installed as they cannot be verified. Should I go ahead and install them anyway? Which archive signing keys are known to your apt-key? Post the output of apt-key list and the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list file, then we can tell you which ones are missing (and how to install them). I would first try to complete the upgrade and install all packages before addressing the X problem. [...] Next I ran apt-get dist-upgrade. After this the ethernet connection failed, gdm tried to start repeatedly and failed and there was a message that udev required kernel 2.6.12 or higher. I had 2.6.11. Next I booted from a bbc-2.1 cd and used lynx to find and download the linux-2.6.15 kernel source from the Debian website. I compiled this kernel using the .config from the 2.6.11 kernel directory, updated lilo.conf, and booted from the new kernel. The ethernet connection was restored but gdm still would not start. I tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 without success. Next I recalled that previously I had solved this problem by running xf86config from /usr/X11R6/bin. The upgrade had deleted this program but I recovered it from another computer and ran it. This created an XF86Config file in /etc/X11 and then gdm could start. Testing is using Xorg instead of Xfree86. Once you have downloaded the archive keys and completed the upgrade, you can try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. (This should happen automatically during the upgrade anyway.) If you still have problems with Xorg after that, post the output of the following three commands: lspci | grep -i vga awk '/Section (Device|Monitor|Screen)/,/EndSection/' /etc/X11/xorg.conf egrep '^\((EE|WW)\)' /var/log/Xorg.0.log -- Regards, Florian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X Windows Fonts with Symbols? - Thanks
On Tue, Mar 28, 2006 at 09:12:42PM -0500, Kevin Mark wrote: On Tue, Mar 28, 2006 at 08:50:10PM -0500, Thomas H. George wrote: I would like to write some text which includes the symbols for Spades, Hearts, Diamonds and Clubs. I know that some years ago I had a word processor with fonts which included these symbols but now I can't find any. I used xfontsel to examine the symbol and dingbats fonts with no success. Thinking I was missing something I wrote a couple of lines of C++ to display the ascii characters from 40 to 255 but it didn't show anything beyond character 127 - presumably because I haven't yet figured out how to change fonts in the program. I'll struggle with this some more tomorrow but if I am missing something obvious I would appreciate being pointed in the right direction. Specifically, I have started learning Perl-Tk from the widget program and the man page and I would like to write text on the canvas widget which includes the playing card symbols. Tom George Hi Tom, I am aware of 2 choices: 'symbols' font or using UTF-8 unicode symbols. cheers, Kev -- Thanks, Kev. I rewrote my character display program in Perl where I was able to select different fonts. In the font Symbol I found characters 199 -202 were Clubs, Diamonds, Hearts and Spades. Amazingly -to me at least - xfontsel shows none of these characters although it does display some of the subsequent special characters. Tom -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: x-windows beenden und neu starten
On 07.12.05 10:55:08, Daniel Kämtner wrote: Hallo ich wollte meine X-windows-manager mit # init 3 beenden und mit # init 5 wieder starten. Aber da passiert nichts.. Weil das normalerweise diesselben Runlevel sind. Wir sind hier nicht bei SuSE, in Debian sind die Runlevel 2-5 gleich. Du kannst einfach mal /etc/init.d/*dm restart aufrufen dann wird der DM beendet und neu gestartet. Alternativ hilft auch die Holzhammer-Methode Ctrl+Alt+Backspace Andreas -- Don't you wish you had more energy... or less ambition? -- Haeufig gestellte Fragen und Antworten (FAQ): http://www.de.debian.org/debian-user-german-FAQ/ Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
[Fwd: Re: X Windows System (mais um coisa)]
Encaminhando Original Message Subject: Re: X Windows System (mais um coisa) Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 08:55:54 -0400 From: Alexandre Aldrigues [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Marcos Vinicius Lazarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Infelizmente não consegui o que queria... Acabei reinstalando a Debian e dessa vez sem o x-window e logo após a reinstalação, manualmente instalei configurando cada pacote necessário para o funcionamento do x-window. Conclusão que eu já tinha em mente e pude, acredito, comprovar. Antes da reinstalação da Debian, eu tinha reinstalado e configurado o x-window corretamente (ao menos fiz o mesmo que fiz depois da reinstalação da Debian), só que não estava funcionando. O que penso (claro que posso estar completamente enganado, falando besteira, ainda mais que estou aprendendo), é que algum arquivo de configuração, biblioteca, módulo, driver, referencia ao x-window na Debian (não sei), impedia o seu correto funcionamento. ERA ISSO o que eu queria resolver, aprender a fazer... O Linux hoje é que nem o Windows, qualquer um instala, entretanto como no Windows, nem todos conseguem resolver um problema mais difícil, como configurar um placa de vídeo que o Windows não identificou, problemas de drive, etc. Mas ainda descubro. :) Obrigado a contribuição de todos. Em 19/11/05, Marcos Vinicius Lazarini[EMAIL PROTECTED] escreveu: Fabiano Pires wrote: Os pacotes básicos que eu uso são: x-window-system gnome (ou kde, ou outro gerenciador de janelas) gdm (ou kdm, ou outro gerenciador de logins) acho que é só. Eu costumo instalar o x-window-system-core + xterm. acho que vem muita tranqueira com x-window-system (xprint, xdm, xvfb etc etc) E sempre é bom ver o FAQ do IRC: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ -- Marcos -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Alexandre Aldrigues -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X Windows System (mais um coisa)
Fabiano Pires wrote: Os pacotes básicos que eu uso são: x-window-system gnome (ou kde, ou outro gerenciador de janelas) gdm (ou kdm, ou outro gerenciador de logins) acho que é só. Eu costumo instalar o x-window-system-core + xterm. acho que vem muita tranqueira com x-window-system (xprint, xdm, xvfb etc etc) E sempre é bom ver o FAQ do IRC: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ -- Marcos -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X Windows System
Também estou tendo um problema com o X. Ele gerou a seguinte saída (abaixo), não consegui liberar para ele o GLcore e não entendi a última parte. Vou colocar aqui as partes que contém erros e o contexto dele: ... (II) LoadModule: GLcore (WW) Warning, couldn't open module GLcore (II) UnloadModule: GLcore (EE) Failed to load module GLcore (module does not exist, 0) ... Fatal server error: could not open default font 'fixed'; the X server's font paths might be misconfigured, remote font server(s) may be unreachable, and/or local fonts may not be installed or are not configured correctly. People inexperienced with the X Window System should have either the x-window-system or x-window-system-core packages installed. # apt-get install x-window-system-core # apt-get install x-window-system Other useful commands to run include: $ dpkg --status xserver-common $ dpkg --status xfonts-base $ zmore /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz ... Alysson Alves ___ Yahoo! Acesso Grátis: Internet rápida e grátis. Instale o discador agora! http://br.acesso.yahoo.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X Windows System (mais um coisa)
Os pacotes básicos que eu uso são: x-window-system gnome (ou kde, ou outro gerenciador de janelas) gdm (ou kdm, ou outro gerenciador de logins) acho que é só. Fabiano. Em 15/11/05, Alexandre Aldrigues[EMAIL PROTECTED] escreveu: Eu tenho um sério problema com um X Windows System, eu acho que ele não gosta de mim. Quando instalo qualquer distribuição de Linux as configurações do X são detectadas perfeitamente, tudo funciona, mas daí, caso eu venha fuçar, fuçar e por fim consigo o detonar, nunca consigo voltar a fazer funcionar de novo. Digamos que eu tivesse instalado do Debian, sem o X Window System, sem interface gráfica e com instalação mínima. Quais pacotes eu precisaria instalar, o que preciso ter para o X Windows funcionar? Seria só o x-window-system (apt-get)? No guia foca fala o xbase, xbase-clients, xf86setup, xfonts-75dpi, xserver-svga, xterm, xfs-xtt e xdm. Seria só isso? Outra coisa, como faria para remover o X Window System completamente, tudo relacionado a ele, como se ele nunca estive estado em meu sistema? Outra coisa, alguém sabe onde encontra um boa documentação em português (meu inglês é muito fraco para ler textos enormes :) )? Eu tenho que aprender isso. A nova saída (log) do meu X: http://www.besourodorabobranco.com.br/ale/XFree86.0.log.txt Mais uma vez, muito obrigado. -- Alexandre Aldrigues -- Abraços, Fabiano
Re: X Windows System (mais um coisa)
Em Ter 15 Nov 2005 13:16, Alexandre Aldrigues escreveu: Eu tenho um sério problema com um X Windows System, eu acho que ele não gosta de mim. Quando instalo qualquer distribuição de Linux as configurações do X são detectadas perfeitamente, tudo funciona, mas daí, caso eu venha fuçar, fuçar e por fim consigo o detonar, nunca consigo voltar a fazer funcionar de novo. Digamos que eu tivesse instalado do Debian, sem o X Window System, sem interface gráfica e com instalação mínima. Quais pacotes eu precisaria instalar, o que preciso ter para o X Windows funcionar? Seria só o x-window-system (apt-get)? No guia foca fala o xbase, xbase-clients, xf86setup, xfonts-75dpi, xserver-svga, xterm, xfs-xtt e xdm. Seria só isso? Outra coisa, como faria para remover o X Window System completamente, tudo relacionado a ele, como se ele nunca estive estado em meu sistema? Outra coisa, alguém sabe onde encontra um boa documentação em português (meu inglês é muito fraco para ler textos enormes :) )? Eu tenho que aprender isso. A nova saída (log) do meu X: http://www.besourodorabobranco.com.br/ale/XFree86.0.log.txt Mais uma vez, muito obrigado. -- Alexandre Aldrigues 1) Use sempre dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (ou xserver-xfree86) para configurar o seu x-windows-system é pra isso que servem as ferramentas do Debian. 2) Caso sua mão coce de mais e você sinta uma inexplicável necessidade de configurar os arquivos na mão! leia bem no inicio do arquivo de configuração (xorg.conf ou XF86Config-4 em /etc/X11) as instruções para reabilitar configurações via dpkg-reconfigure para o x-windows-system, algo do tipo: # cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf.dpkg-new /etc/X11/xorg.conf.dpkg-new.custom # md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf.dpkg-new /var/lib/xfree86/xorg.conf.dpkg-new.md5sum # dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg 3) Porque se preocupar com quais pacotes tem ou não de instalar!? Você usa Debian não é mesmo? aptitude install xserver-xorg (se o aptitude precisar de algum pacote, não se preocupe, ele vai pedir! Não é pra isso que ele existe?) Um simples aptitude show xserver-xorg já demonstra bem isso: Depende de: xserver-common (= 6.8.2.dfsg.1-10), libc6 (= 2.3.5-1), libgcc1 (= 1:4.0.1), libxau6, libxdmcp6, zlib1g (= 1:1.2.1), debconf (= 0.5) | debconf-2.0 Recomenda: xlibs, discover | discover1, mdetect, xresprobe (= 0.4.13), laptop-detect Sugere: libglide2 ( 2001.01.26) 4) Para remover um pacote completamente inclusive suas configurações use a opção purge, para mais detalhes: man apitude ou aptitude --help [],s -- ___ EAS Tecnologia e Informação - http://www.eas.com.br Márcio Inácio Silva - [EMAIL PROTECTED] .~. / v \ Seja Livre, use GNU/Linux! / ( ) \ ^^-^^ GNU/Debian/Linux
Re: X Windows System (mais um coisa)
quote quem=Alexandre Aldrigues Eu tenho um sério problema com um X Windows System, eu acho que ele não gosta de mim. Quando instalo qualquer distribuição de Linux as configurações do X são detectadas perfeitamente, tudo funciona, mas daí, caso eu venha fuçar, fuçar e por fim consigo o detonar, nunca consigo voltar a fazer funcionar de novo. A única coisa útil que eu tenho a dizer é: faça backup dos arquivos de configuração *antes* de mexer. QQ coisa, é fácil voltar. Boa sorte! Fabio. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X Windows System (mais um coisa)
Tudo bem, concordo... Mas eu queria aprender. Por exemplo, chegar em qualquer m=E1quina e fazer funcionar, mesmo que fosse do zero. :/ Em 15/11/05, Fabio Guerrazzi[EMAIL PROTECTED] escreveu: quote quem=Alexandre Aldrigues Eu tenho um sério problema com um X Windows System, eu acho que ele não gosta de mim. Quando instalo qualquer distribuição de Linux as configurações do X são detectadas perfeitamente, tudo funciona, mas daí, caso eu venha fuçar, fuçar e por fim consigo o detonar, nunca consigo voltar a fazer funcionar de novo. A única coisa útil que eu tenho a dizer é: faça backup dos arquivos de configuração *antes* de mexer. QQ coisa, é fácil voltar. Boa sorte! Fabio. -- -- Alexandre Aldrigues
Re: x-windows on compaq v2000
Could you post the contents of your XF86Config-4 please.On 9/22/05, Marko Sarunac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:trying to get xwin running on the v2000 Here is the latest log file from X.having problems with libGLcore. I have tried booting with 2.6.8 and 2.6.8-amd64 Same results. Your help is appreciated XFree86 Version 4.3.0.1 (Debian 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge1 20050901212727 [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Release Date: 15 August 2003 X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 6.6 Build Operating System: Linux 2.6.8-16.0508-2 i686 [ELF] Build Date: 02 September 2005 This version of XFree86 has been extensively modified by the Debian Project, and is not supported by the XFree86 Project, Inc., in any way. Bugs should be reported to the Debian Bug Tracking System; see URL: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting . We strongly encourage the use of the reportbug package and command to ensure that bug reports contain as much useful information as possible. Before filing a bug report, you may want to consult the Debian X FAQ: XHTML version: file:///usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.xhtml plain text version: file:///usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz Module Loader present OS Kernel: Linux version 2.6.8-1-386 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1: 3.3.5-2)) #1 Thu Nov 11 12:18:43 EST 2004 Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. (==) Log file: /var/log/XFree86.0.log, Time: Wed Sep 21 22:59:30 2005 (==) Using config file: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 (==) ServerLayout Default Layout (**) |--Screen Default Screen (0) (**) | |--Monitor B140EW01V0 (**) | |--Device Generic Video Card (**) |--Input Device Generic Keyboard (**) Option XkbRules xfree86 (**) XKB: rules: xfree86 (**) Option XkbModel microsoftpro (**) XKB: model: microsoftpro (**) Option XkbLayout us (**) XKB: layout: us (==) Keyboard: CustomKeycode disabled (**) |--Input Device Usbmouse (WW) The directory /usr/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic does not exist. Entry deleted from font path. (WW) The directory /usr/lib/X11/fonts/CID does not exist. Entry deleted from font path. (WW) The directory /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType does not exist. Entry deleted from font path. (WW) The directory /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/CID does not exist. Entry deleted from font path. (**) FontPath set to unix/:7100,/usr/lib/X11/fonts /misc,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Type1,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi(==) RgbPath set to /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb (==) ModulePath set to /usr/X11R6/lib/modules(--) using VT number 7(WW) Open APM failed (/dev/apm_bios) (No such file or directory)(II) Module ABI versions:XFree86 ANSI C Emulation: 0.2XFree86 Video Driver: 0.6XFree86 XInput driver : 0.4XFree86 Server Extension : 0.2XFree86 Font Renderer : 0.4(II) Loader running on linux(II) LoadModule: bitmap (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libbitmap.a(II) Module bitmap: vendor=The XFree86 Projectcompiled for 4.3.0.1, module version = 1.0.0Module class: XFree86 Font RendererABI class: XFree86 Font Renderer, version 0.4(II) Loading font Bitmap(II) LoadModule: pcidata(II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libpcidata.a (II) Module pcidata: vendor=The XFree86 Projectcompiled for 4.3.0.1, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.6(II) PCI: Probing config type using method 1(II) PCI: Config type is 1(II) PCI: stages = 0x03, oldVal1 = 0x, mode1Res1 = 0x8000(II) PCI: PCI scan (all values are in hex) (II) PCI: 00:00:0: chip 1002,5950 card 103c,3091 rev 01 class 06,00,00 hdr 00(II) PCI: 00:01:0: chip 1002,5a3f card , rev 00 class 06,04,00 hdr 01(II) PCI: 00:13:0: chip 1002,4374 card 103c,3091 rev 00 class 0c,03,10 hdr 80 (II) PCI: 00:13:1: chip 1002,4375 card 103c,3091 rev 00 class 0c,03,10 hdr 00(II) PCI: 00:13:2: chip 1002,4373 card 103c,3091 rev 00 class 0c,03,20 hdr 00(II) PCI: 00:14:0: chip 1002,4372 card 103c,3091 rev 11 class 0c,05,00 hdr 80 (II) PCI: 00:14:1: chip 1002,4376 card 103c,3091 rev 00 class 01,01,8a hdr 00(II) PCI: 00:14:3: chip 1002,4377 card 103c,3091 rev 00 class 06,01,00 hdr 80(II) PCI: 00:14:4: chip 1002,4371 card , rev 00 class 06,04,01 hdr 81 (II) PCI: 00:14:5: chip 1002,4370 card 103c,3091 rev 02 class 04,01,00 hdr 80(II) PCI: 00:14:6: chip 1002,4378 card 103c,3091 rev 02 class 07,03,00 hdr 80(II) PCI: 00:18:0: chip 1022,1100 card , rev 00 class 06,00,00 hdr 80 (II) PCI: 00:18:1: chip 1022,1101 card , rev 00 class 06,00,00 hdr 80(II) PCI: 00:18:2: chip 1022,1102 card , rev 00 class 06,00,00 hdr 80(II) PCI: 00:18:3: chip 1022,1103 card , rev 00 class 06,00,00 hdr 80 (II) PCI: 01:05:0: chip 1002,5955 card 103c,3091 rev 00 class 03,00,00 hdr 00(II) PCI:
Re: X windows libraries??
Thanks a lot for your recomendation about qemu, i can compile it and it works grate and also i can run the bochs virtual disk with the OS inside. Pablo E. Bullian
Re: X windows libraries??
On Sun, Sep 04, 2005 at 07:06:05PM -0300, Pablo Bullian wrote: Hi!, I'm new in this and i have a problem trying to compile some programs. I try the ./configure with bochs and it give me this error the same i think that the compilation of aMsn give me. First of all, there is already a bochs package in Debian and it is the latest version (in Sid). In fact, there are packages for each of wxWidgets, X11, SDL, libsvga, and ncurses. Second, qemu is a much better alternative. Having used both, I can tell you that qemu is more robust, performs better and is just easier to use. You might want to give it a shot. configure: WARNING: Bochs for wxWidgets cannot be compiled here, disabling it checking for default gui on this platform... x11 ERROR: X windows gui was selected, but X windows libraries were not found. I think i have to tell in the ./configure where the libraries are, but where are they?? You need to install the development libraries. To compile a wxWidgets program you need libwxbase2.4-dev, libwxbase2.4-dev, and libwxgtk2.4-contrib-dev (for a wx2.4 program) or libwxgtk2.6-dev (for a wx2.6 program). For an X11 program you need x-window-system-dev, which should pull in all the dependencies you need. Thanks a lot -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto pgptOPkK09N5s.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: X-windows Problems with firefox install connections???
Hello!! My apt source list points to unstable currently. As much I don't want to admit it, I guess I will reinstall Windows 98 on it (the original OS). The current state of affairs is way too much trouble and time consuming for me as of right now. As much as I like Linux, I am still too much of a newbie to delve into the restrictive inner workings of older hardware and Linux drivers and such. If it was a more recent machine I would be more ambitious, but it being close to almost 8.5 years old, I think I will leave were its at. I wish to thank everyone who tried to help me, your advice and quick responses were greatly appreciated. Thank you again. -Will
Re: X-windows Problems with firefox install connections???
On Thu, Jul 28, 2005 at 12:36:35PM -0400, Will Ness wrote: Hello! Here is the breakdown, yes I am using 2.2 idepci kernel on my laptop. However when I do the apt-get command, it claims that the newer kernel image is not been found. Have you done apt-get update? If you are using a 2.2 kernel, you are probably using Woody. Do the entries in your sources.list file point to woody or oldstable, not stable? Not sure what to do next. Perhaps at this point, should I consider a reinstall? I know that x-windows worked the first time around, so should I reinstall it, and then save the config file? Perhaps dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 would work. (maybe you have tried that; I only keep debian-user posts for two days) -- Tonight you will pay the wages of sin; Don't forget to leave a tip. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: x-windows-system package
On 7/29/05, Paolo Pantaleo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just installed the x-windows-system package, and i found some unpleasant things: 1)xdm is installed and no question is done about it during configuration 2)the keyboard doesn't work properly as said in a previous message ALT GR + key doesn't work, there seems to be some problems with xkb 3)the module xtt is not included by default in the configuration process, it must be selected by hand, if not selected the X server wont start, telling it cannot find the fixed font. I just updated from stable to testing, as described in Reference Guide, and anything seems to be ok, but could the upgrade be the reason for the keyboard not working? If these are bugs (or better suggestions i want to make) how can i make my ideas reach the right people (who maintains the X system, or whatever)? consider ':# reportbug' Thnx PAolo
Re: x-windows-system package
Hi Paolo, Paolo Pantaleo wrote: I just installed the x-windows-system package, and i found some unpleasant things: 1)xdm is installed and no question is done about it during configuration This is by design. x-window-system depends upon all programs that are traditionally part of an X release (including xdm), even binaries that many people don't find useful. You probably only want to install x-window-system-core. 2)the keyboard doesn't work properly as said in a previous message ALT GR + key doesn't work, there seems to be some problems with xkb 3)the module xtt is not included by default in the configuration process, it must be selected by hand, if not selected the X server wont start, telling it cannot find the fixed font. These I'm afraid I can't answer. If these are bugs (or better suggestions i want to make) how can i make my ideas reach the right people (who maintains the X system, or whatever)? You can file a bug (severity wishlist if it's a suggestion) against one of the X-related packages, or you could directly mail debian-x@lists.debian.org which is where all X-related bug reports go anyway. regards, -- Kevin B. McCarty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Physics Department WWW: http://www.princeton.edu/~kmccarty/Princeton University GPG: public key ID 4F83C751 Princeton, NJ 08544 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X-windows Problems with firefox install connections???
Hello! Here is the breakdown, yes I am using 2.2 idepci kernel on my laptop. However when I do the apt-get command, it claims that the newer kernel image is not been found. Not sure what to do next. Perhaps at this point, should I consider a reinstall? I know that x-windows worked the first time around, so should I reinstall it, and then save the config file? -Will
Re: X-windows Problems with firefox install connections???
You are probably using 2.2, which I have no experience with. Try upgrading to 2.4 if possible, with the following command: apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386 (You will need to reboot.) That will bring you up to 2.4, and then you may want to upgrade to sarge, the latest stable, and get 2.6. However with the 2.4 you will probably fair better. Try the upgrade and then loading the modules.On 7/22/05, Will Ness [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello!I am using the standard 'safe' kernal installation on the woody cds.No customization invovled. I believe the kernal is 2.2 or 2.4 but Iwill get back to you on that. What other modules should I try? -Will
Re: X-windows Problems with firefox install connections???
Hello! I am using the standard 'safe' kernal installation on the woody cds. No customization invovled. I believe the kernal is 2.2 or 2.4 but I will get back to you on that. What other modules should I try? -Will
Re: X-windows Problems with firefox install connections???
Hello! Cool, so now I know for sure its the mouse driver. How do I go about adding the psmouse or event modules? Do I go in and edit the x-config file to say psmouse/usbhid/mousedev in the device or Protocol section? Or not that at all? I am very much a newbie when it comes to installing/modifying drivers of any sort in linuxSorry to be a pain.. -Will
Re: X-windows Problems with firefox install connections???
First of all, this isn't a pain. This is what mailing lists are for. Second, to see if it works, in a console run: modprobe input modprobe psmouse modprobe usbhid modprobe mousedev. Then start x. If that works, then add input, psmouse, usbhid, and mousedev to /etc/modules. That will load them on startup.On 7/21/05, Will Ness [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hello!Cool, so now I know for sure its the mouse driver. How do I go about adding the psmouse or event modules? Do I go in and edit the x-configfile to say psmouse/usbhid/mousedev in the device or Protocolsection? Or not that at all? I am very much a newbie when it comes to installing/modifying drivers of any sort in linuxSorry to be apain..-Will
Re: X-windows Problems with firefox install connections???
Hello! Thank you again for the help! Please know that I truly appreciate it! Anyways,I tried what you suggested and all I got for each input was : Can't locate module (input) What happens now? -Will
Re: X-windows Problems with firefox install connections???
That's alright, try the other modules, and then ty starting x. Are using the stock kernel, or are you using custom kernel? And what kernel.On 7/21/05, Will Ness [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hello!Thank you again for the help! Please know that I truly appreciate it! Anyways,I tried what you suggested and all I got for each input was :Can't locate module (input)What happens now?-Will
Re: X Windows
Da alguma mensagem de erro? Se aparece alguma mensagem de erro copia e posta ela aqui para podermos ajudar falow []s Em 23/05/05, Poch[EMAIL PROTECTED] escreveu: Alguem me ajuda com o X windows. Ja instalei mas quando ele carregq o modo grafico aprece o console e nada mais aprarece na tela. - DIN - WebMail. http://www.din.uem.br/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- - O linux eh um sistema operacional amigável, ele so eh seletivo com os seus amigos! =P UIN: 1992397 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] e-mAiL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] hP: http://info.campus2.br/~mdapaz
Re: X Windows
Você instalou o pacote x-window-system-core ? quote quem=Poch Alguem me ajuda com o X windows. Ja instalei mas quando ele carregq o modo grafico aprece o console e nada mais aprarece na tela. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X Windows
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pessoal, Tenho aqui minha maquina o debian sage (cd basico netinst). Já instalei o básico do sistema e agora gostaria de instalar também o wmaker, só que estou tendo problemas... Comando: apt-get install wmaker Obs.: Já estou com o pppoeconfig devidamente configurado e inclusive o apt-get Me parece que tenho que instalar o X Windows... já tentei através do tasksel, mas me parece que ele fica acusando problemas de dependencias... Ao tentar entrar no wmaker recebo a mensagem de algum problema... display... Qual a melhor forma ou a forma correta para eu instalar o wmaker e ou X Windows ? Procure por 'ConfiguringX' aqui http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ Aproveita e dê uma olhada, talvez ache mais coisas que ajudem... -- Marcos -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X Windows
Em Ter, 2004-11-02 às 13:15 -0200, free-linux escreveu: Olá Lista, Estou tentando configurar o X, mas quando dou dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ele está gravando em outro arquivo que não é o /etc/X11/XF86Config-4. Como saber em qual arquivo o dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 está gravando. Pois estou com um mause de dois botões com aquile troço no meio que roda. Essa porcaria não está configurando no X. Estou utilizando agora o xf86cfg para poder utilizar o X. E o mause continua se mechendo sozinho na tela e fechando janelas e abrindo outras ele fica louco na tela. Por favor alguem que puder ajudar me ajude. Estou anexando meu XF86Config. Obrigado. Estou partindo do princípio que seu mouse é PS2, ou USB Section InputDevice Identifier Mouse0 Driver mouse Option Protocol ImPS/2 Option Device /dev/mouse Option Emulate3Buttons Option Emulate3Timeout 50 Option ZAxisMapping 4 5 Pode ser necessário colocar Option Buttons5 Espero ter ajudado -- Luiz Carcerelli [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X Windows
Em Ter 02 Nov 2004 13:15, free-linux escreveu: Olá Lista, Estou tentando configurar o X, mas quando dou dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ele está gravando em outro arquivo que não é o /etc/X11/XF86Config-4. Como saber em qual arquivo o dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 está gravando. Pois estou com um mause de dois botões com aquile troço no meio que roda. Essa porcaria não está configurando no X. Estou utilizando agora o xf86cfg para poder utilizar o X. E o mause continua se mechendo sozinho na tela e fechando janelas e abrindo outras ele fica louco na tela. Por favor alguem que puder ajudar me ajude. Estou anexando meu XF86Config. Obrigado. Será que não tem a ver com esse aviso que consta no XF86Config-4?: # XF86Config-4 (XFree86 X Window System server configuration file) # # This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using # values from the debconf database. # # Edit this file with caution, and see the XF86Config-4 manual page. # (Type man XF86Config-4 at the shell prompt.) # # This file is automatically updated on xserver-xfree86 package upgrades *only* # if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xfree86 # package. # # If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated # again, run the following commands as root: # # cp /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.custom # md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum # dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
Re: x-windows configuration in woody/sarge
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I have been trying to install debian on a Compaq Deskpro EN for last one week. I have tried both woody (stable) and sarge (testing). In both, the x-windows configuration does not work. In woody, installation went fine except that none of the video cards/monitor options there get x-windows running. I tried all sorts of options but no luck. Yesterday, I tried sarge. Sarge has to be installed using the netinstall. That meant some 500 mb of download, took some 13 hours, and at the end nothing worked. I think the problem is again with x-windows. not necessarily. what errors do you get ? what config have you put ? give us some idea.. rrs - -- Ritesh Raj Sarraf RESEARCHUT -- http://www.researchut.com Gnupg Key ID: 04F130BC Stealing logic from one person is plagiarism, stealing from many is research. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBc3dV4Rhi6gTxMLwRAvwDAJ9ADtWCHQZ5ob5mXBXsLGqABGbYOgCZAd/6 LeUMnC6PWktKiiv55rJoI5Y= =C6EN -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: x-windows configuration in woody/sarge
at the end nothing worked. I think the problem is again with x-windows. What does one do? Start by explaining in a lot more detail what nothing worked means: what commands did you run which didn't work? If you cannot get the X server running, or it just didn't start on its own at boot-time, then post the output from running 'X' from the console - all of it, exactly as it appears. The more and the more accurate the info you provide, the fewer loops of posting and replying before the problem gets solved or people give up trying to help. Come on; help us to help you! Alexis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: x-windows configuration in woody/sarge
why did it take 13 hours for you to download??? is JNU part of ernet? if yes then, use the debian mirror at IIT Madras. here from university of pune i downloaded the sarge in 20 mins at 625 Kb/s. the ernet is really fast. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: x-windows configuration in woody/sarge
On Mon, Oct 18, 2004 at 12:39:47PM +0530, Vikas Rawal wrote: I have been trying to install debian on a Compaq Deskpro EN for last one week. I have tried both woody (stable) and sarge (testing). In both, the x-windows configuration does not work. In woody, installation went fine except that none of the video cards/monitor options there get x-windows running. I tried all sorts of options but no luck. Yesterday, I tried sarge. Sarge has to be installed using the netinstall. That meant some 500 mb of download, took some 13 hours, and at the end nothing worked. I think the problem is again with x-windows. What does one do? Vikas X-windows can be difficult. You probably have a working computer, except for the x user interface. To test this theory, try a console screen by: Press ctrl-alt-Fn where n is 1..6 You should see a login prompt. Try logging in as root. If this succeeds, you do have a functioning, but slight inconvenient, Debian installation. Use it to investigate why x-windows doesn't work for you. Post any clues that you don't understand, but be optimistic. You may be able to find the problem yourself. Try running 'startx' Does this work? Look for error messages if it doesn't. Probably, you have not installed all the x related packages that you need. But which ones? The error messages should give you a clue. HTH -- Paul E Condon [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: x-windows configuration in woody/sarge
On (18/10/04 09:40), Paul E Condon wrote: On Mon, Oct 18, 2004 at 12:39:47PM +0530, Vikas Rawal wrote: I have been trying to install debian on a Compaq Deskpro EN for last one week. I have tried both woody (stable) and sarge (testing). In both, the x-windows configuration does not work. In woody, installation went fine except that none of the video cards/monitor options there get x-windows running. I tried all sorts of options but no luck. Yesterday, I tried sarge. Sarge has to be installed using the netinstall. That meant some 500 mb of download, took some 13 hours, and at the end nothing worked. I think the problem is again with x-windows. What does one do? Vikas X-windows can be difficult. You probably have a working computer, except for the x user interface. To test this theory, try a console screen by: Press ctrl-alt-Fn where n is 1..6 You should see a login prompt. Try logging in as root. If this succeeds, you do have a functioning, but slight inconvenient, Debian installation. Use it to investigate why x-windows doesn't work for you. Post any clues that you don't understand, but be optimistic. You may be able to find the problem yourself. Try running 'startx' Does this work? Look for error messages if it doesn't. Probably, you have not installed all the x related packages that you need. But which ones? The error messages should give you a clue. Look at /var/log/XFree86.0.log Where you see (EE) is where the problem lies Regards Clive -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: x-windows configuration in woody/sarge
On Mon, Oct 18, 2004 at 09:44:03AM +, Alexis Huxley wrote: If you cannot get the X server running, or it just didn't start on its own at boot-time, then post the output from running 'X' from the console - all of it, exactly as it appears. Or the more common startx. -- Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabootu's Minister of Proofreading http://www.jabootu.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X Windows security
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sherman, Michael (GE Energy) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have a quick question. I know that a machine is much less secure when X Windows is running. Does it apply in the same way when X stuff is installed, but the desktop is not actually running? A machine isn't necissarily less secure just because it runs X. If you run it as a network service, then you could have some problems. How secure are vncserver sessions and X over ssh? As secure as SSH is. I would suggest X if you're in an X environment (it's faster and uses less bandwidth), VNC if you're in some backwater environment that doesn't have X. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBcMSpUzgNqloQMwcRAkjHAKCcBWuO1SnQxboGHdC7wpPc5hQmKACfU1bF Ohwc4BqtswwSgFjGNcSOgQA= =jNmc -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X Windows security
Sherman, Michael (GE Energy) wrote: Hi all. I have a quick question. I know that a machine is much less secure when X Windows is running. Does it apply in the same way when X stuff is installed, but the desktop is not actually running? How secure are vncserver sessions and X over ssh? Thanks in advance Not sure how helpful I can be here. I've just been reading the Linux Security Admin's Guide/Linux Security HOW-TO this evening. I've also just setup ssh on a small LAN. Basically, ssh provides the security, especially if you're actually using the key system. The remote host will need your public key to authenticate you. You can then run remote X apps securely. In fact, the Linux Security How-To recommends using ssh as the way to connect to a remote X server. Thus your VNC-over-ssh coonection should be pretty darned secure. I know there are a few ssh implementations, but OpenSSH is probably your best bet - based on what little I know. As for the security of X, I believe it mainly only applies when X is running. The issue is that X logins are easy for intruders to watch/catch. The How-To recommends using XDM. It doesn't mention why, but the implication seems to be that using XDM is more secure than X by itself. I'm sure a more experienced security guru would be more helpful. I'm also glad you brought this up. I would like to know if WDM, KDM, GDM, or any other *DM provides the same security enhancement as XDM. I'm assuming that these do accomplish the same task, but would like to be sure. Hope I've been helpful here. -- DC Parris http://matheteuo.org/ http://chaddb.sourceforge.net/ Free software is like God's love - you can share it with anyone anytime anywhere. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X Windows security
Sherman, Michael (GE Energy) wrote: Hi all. I have a quick question. I know that a machine is much less secure when X Windows is running. Does it apply in the same way when X stuff is installed, but the desktop is not actually running? How secure are vncserver sessions and X over ssh? Thanks in advance Not sure how helpful I can be here. I've just been reading the Linux Security Admin's Guide/Linux Security HOW-TO this evening. I've also just setup ssh on a small LAN. Basically, ssh provides the security, especially if you're actually using the key system. The remote host will need your public key to authenticate you. You can then run remote X apps securely. In fact, the Linux Security How-To recommends using ssh as the way to connect to a remote X server. Thus your VNC-over-ssh coonection should be pretty darned secure. I know there are a few ssh implementations, but OpenSSH is probably your best bet - based on what little I know. As for the security of X, I believe it mainly only applies when X is running. The issue is that X logins are easy for intruders to watch/catch. The How-To recommends using XDM. It doesn't mention why, but the implication seems to be that using XDM is more secure than X by itself. I'm sure a more experienced security guru would be more helpful. I'm also glad you brought this up. I would like to know if WDM, KDM, GDM, or any other *DM provides the same security enhancement as XDM. I'm assuming that these do accomplish the same task, but would like to be sure. Hope I've been helpful here. -- DC Parris http://matheteuo.org/ http://chaddb.sourceforge.net/ Free software is like God's love - you can share it with anyone anytime anywhere. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [X-Windows] generell: passenden WindowManager auswaehlen
Am 2004-09-19 03:11:47, schrieb Björn Schmidt: Dirk Salva wrote: Es ist ja auch nicht ganz so wichtig, was er theoretisch kann, sondern vielmehr, wieviel das Board unterstuetzt. Und es gab damals genug, die nur 64MB gecachet haben und dann mittels COAST-Modulen aufgeruestet werden konnten. Und davor hatten die Boards leere IC-Sockel, die man dann zwecks Aufruestung selbst bestuecken durfte... Jepp, ich habe das auch mal gemacht, obwohl ich gar nicht soviel (Geld für genug) RAM hatte. Naja, man lernt nie aus ;) Der HX ist glaube ich sogar der erste BM fähige Chipsatz gewesen, das nur zum Thema Antiquitäten... Meine Boards sind alles HX und aufwärts... Und für die HX-boards habe ich über all 512 MB Cache Module Habe sogar 3 Stück übrig und kostenkünstig abzugeben... (Bei Bedarf PM an mich) Greetings Michelle -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSM LinuxMichi 0033/3/8845235667100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: [X-Windows] generell: passenden WindowManager auswaehlen
Michelle Konzack wrote: Meine Boards sind alles HX und aufwärts... Und für die HX-boards habe ich über all 512 MB Cache Module Wenn Du schon mitreden musst, dann gibt wenigstens reelle Speichergrößen an. -- Mit freundlichen Gruessen Bjoern Schmidt -- Haeufig gestellte Fragen und Antworten (FAQ): http://www.de.debian.org/debian-user-german-FAQ/ Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: [X-Windows] generell: passenden WindowManager auswaehlen
Am 2004-09-19 13:38:18, schrieb Björn Schmidt: Michelle Konzack wrote: Meine Boards sind alles HX und aufwärts... Und für die HX-boards habe ich über all 512 MB Cache Module Wenn Du schon mitreden musst, dann gibt wenigstens reelle Speichergrößen an. Wie alle anderen... 256kByte 512er waren zwar irgendwann mal agekündigt, sind aber nie auf dem normalen Markt aufgetaucht. Nicht einmal die MB Hersteller hatten sie. Greetings Michelle -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSM LinuxMichi 0033/3/8845235667100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: [X-Windows] generell: passenden WindowManager auswaehlen
Michelle Konzack wrote: Meine Boards sind alles HX und aufwärts... Und für die HX-boards habe ich über all 512 MB Cache Module Wenn Du schon mitreden musst, dann gibt wenigstens reelle Speichergrößen an. Wie alle anderen... 256kByte Also steht 512 MB Cache Module doch nicht für 512MByte? Na gut, dann habe ich nichts gesagt... 512er waren zwar irgendwann mal agekündigt, sind aber nie auf dem normalen Markt aufgetaucht. Doch. Ich hatte ein 512kB COAST Modul mit integriertem TAG-RAM benutzt. -- Mit freundlichen Gruessen Bjoern Schmidt -- Haeufig gestellte Fragen und Antworten (FAQ): http://www.de.debian.org/debian-user-german-FAQ/ Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: [X-Windows] generell: passenden WindowManager auswaehlen
Am 2004-09-19 15:57:13, schrieb Björn Schmidt: Michelle Konzack wrote: Meine Boards sind alles HX und aufwärts... Und für die HX-boards habe ich über all 512 MB Cache Module Wenn Du schon mitreden musst, dann gibt wenigstens reelle Speichergrößen an. Wie alle anderen... 256kByte Also steht 512 MB Cache Module doch nicht für 512MByte? 512MB Cache module siend Module die BIS zu einem Speicher von 512 MByte cachen können (steht so auf der Verpackung drauf). 512er waren zwar irgendwann mal agekündigt, sind aber nie auf dem normalen Markt aufgetaucht. Doch. Ich hatte ein 512kB COAST Modul mit integriertem TAG-RAM benutzt. Welcher Hersteller ? Ich habe die COAST-Module von über einem dutzend verschiedener Hersteller, obwohl die meisten von HP und GigaByte sind. Greetings Michelle -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSM LinuxMichi 0033/3/8845235667100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: [X-Windows] generell: passenden WindowManager auswaehlen
Michelle Konzack wrote: Doch. Ich hatte ein 512kB COAST Modul mit integriertem TAG-RAM benutzt. Welcher Hersteller ? Das weiss ich nicht mehr, ich zu lange her. -- Mit freundlichen Gruessen Bjoern Schmidt -- Haeufig gestellte Fragen und Antworten (FAQ): http://www.de.debian.org/debian-user-german-FAQ/ Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: [X-Windows] generell: passenden WindowManager auswaehlen
On Sun, Sep 19, 2004 at 04:57:34AM +0200, Rainer Bendig wrote: Hi Dirk Salva, *, [snip] Hier laufen zur Zeit abwechselnd ion2 und blackbox. ion2 deshalb weil das ein Windowmanager ist der sich praktisch ohne Maus bedienen lässt, zudem recht schlank und schnell ist. Ich kann in ion2 (ohne xterm) zig shells verwalten... Meinst Du ohne Terminalemulator? Merkwürdig bei mir wird immer einer gestartet. [blackbox] Wenn ich die Lust und Laune habe zum Touchpad zu greifen lasse ich blackbox starten, ist mir nicht danach und ich bin in der Stimmung meine Tastatur zu martern setze ich auf ion2. Wer ion2 einsetzt tut gut daran die Shortcuts aus der manpage auswendig zu lernen, oder sich jene irgendwo hinzuschreiben. Das tolle an ion ist doch (IMHO), daß die Shortcuts super leicht zu konfigurieren sind. Dieser Default-Emacs-Stiel ist ja schrööklich ;.) Die *Box ist in meinen Augen mehr Maus und Menülastig. Und gerade im Vergleich zu wmaker zu Mauslastig. Ich kenne mich mit blackbox nicht wirklich aus, aber mit der Tastatur durch die Menus hangeln war nicht möglich. Ein Mod4 + zum Maximieren des Fensters ging auch nicht. Unter wmaker kein Problem. Kann Blackbox DnD? wmaker schon. Eine Meinung ala xyz ist besser als zyx wird es von mir nicht geben. Weil wie bereits erwähnt wurde jeder WindowManager seine Vorzüge und Nachteile hat. Na und ;-) -- über den grenzen muß die freiheit wohl wolkenlos sein -- Haeufig gestellte Fragen und Antworten (FAQ): http://www.de.debian.org/debian-user-german-FAQ/ Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: [X-Windows] generell: passenden WindowManager auswaehlen
On Friday 17 September 2004 18:45, Dirk Salva wrote: Nur hat es *keiner* geschafft, *seine ganz persoenlichen* Gruende fuer einen bestimmten und gegen die anderen WM klar darzulegen. Bisher ist auch dieser thread wieder nur eine nette Aufzaehlung, in der zwar jeder seine Vorliebe an den Mann bringt, aber niemand schreibt, *warum*... Nun, ich verwende WindowMaker, weil ich auch nach Stunden der intensiven Nutzung die Maus nicht vermisse, weil er hübsch ist, weil er sich einfach installieren läßt und überall dabei ist. Martin
Re: [X-Windows] generell: passenden WindowManager auswaehlen
On Fri, Sep 17, 2004 at 11:53:01PM +0200, Andreas Janssen wrote: Tja, bei mir sitzt noch ein K6-II drauf, der hat nur den 1st level cache eingebaut. Der 2nd level cache sitzt auf der Hauptplatine (VIA MVP3) und ist recht klein (256kb?). Jau, und wenn Du Dir jetzt einen K6-III goennst, wird der 2.level-cache vom Board zum 3.level-cache degradiert. ciao, Dirk -- | Akkuschrauber-Kaufberatung and AEG-GSM-stuff | | Visit my homepage: http://www.nutrimatic.ping.de/ | | FIDO: Dirk Salva 2:244/6305.10 Internet: dsalvaATgmx.de | |The Ruhrgebiet, best place to live in Germany! | -- Haeufig gestellte Fragen und Antworten (FAQ): http://www.de.debian.org/debian-user-german-FAQ/ Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: [X-Windows] generell: passenden WindowManager auswaehlen
On Sat, Sep 18, 2004 at 02:10:26AM +0200, Uwe Laverenz wrote: Das war ganz frueher der Fall, IMHO z.B. bei so Antiquitaeten wie dem Triton-Chipsatz (HX?). Ist aber bei einem AMD K6-III egal, weil der Sorry, aber der HX war der hochwertigste der damaligen Intel-Chipsätze, der konnte bis zu 512 MB cachen. Da er ziemlich teuer war, gab's den i.d.R. nicht in PCs von der Stange. Die Konkurrenz (z.B. Ali 1541/42) lag so bei 128 MB cacheable area. Es ist ja auch nicht ganz so wichtig, was er theoretisch kann, sondern vielmehr, wieviel das Board unterstuetzt. Und es gab damals genug, die nur 64MB gecachet haben und dann mittels COAST-Modulen aufgeruestet werden konnten. Und davor hatten die Boards leere IC-Sockel, die man dann zwecks Aufruestung selbst bestuecken durfte... ciao, Dirk -- | Akkuschrauber-Kaufberatung and AEG-GSM-stuff | | Visit my homepage: http://www.nutrimatic.ping.de/ | | FIDO: Dirk Salva 2:244/6305.10 Internet: dsalvaATgmx.de | |The Ruhrgebiet, best place to live in Germany! | -- Haeufig gestellte Fragen und Antworten (FAQ): http://www.de.debian.org/debian-user-german-FAQ/ Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: [X-Windows] generell: passenden WindowManager auswaehlen
Dirk Salva wrote: Es ist ja auch nicht ganz so wichtig, was er theoretisch kann, sondern vielmehr, wieviel das Board unterstuetzt. Und es gab damals genug, die nur 64MB gecachet haben und dann mittels COAST-Modulen aufgeruestet werden konnten. Und davor hatten die Boards leere IC-Sockel, die man dann zwecks Aufruestung selbst bestuecken durfte... Jepp, ich habe das auch mal gemacht, obwohl ich gar nicht soviel (Geld für genug) RAM hatte. Naja, man lernt nie aus ;) Der HX ist glaube ich sogar der erste BM fähige Chipsatz gewesen, das nur zum Thema Antiquitäten... -- Mit freundlichen Gruessen Bjoern Schmidt -- Haeufig gestellte Fragen und Antworten (FAQ): http://www.de.debian.org/debian-user-german-FAQ/ Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: [X-Windows] generell: passenden WindowManager auswaehlen
Hi Dirk Salva, *, Dirk Salva wrote on Fri Sep 17, 2004 at 06:45:30PM +0200: fvwm, windowmaker, blackbox, fluxbox, icewm, xfce4. Nur hat es *keiner* geschafft, *seine ganz persoenlichen* Gruende fuer einen bestimmten und gegen die anderen WM klar darzulegen. Bisher ist auch dieser thread wieder nur eine nette Aufzaehlung, in der zwar jeder seine Vorliebe an den Mann bringt, aber niemand schreibt, *warum*... Hier laufen zur Zeit abwechselnd ion2 und blackbox. ion2 deshalb weil das ein Windowmanager ist der sich praktisch ohne Maus bedienen lässt, zudem recht schlank und schnell ist. Ich kann in ion2 (ohne xterm) zig shells verwalten... blackbox läuft hier unter anderem weil es zum Beispiel via vnc am schnellsten vorhanden und nutzbar war in einer ansprechenden Qualität auf nem 56k Modem. blackbox, fluxbox und openbox setzen auf das gleiche auf und nehmen sich in meinen Augen Geschwindigkeits- und Speichermäßig nicht wirklich viel. Allerdings verzichte ich auch auf nette Gimmiks oder Spielereien wie Hintergrundbilder oder Transparenz die die *boxen unterstützen. Im übrigen nutzen die oben genannten die gleichen Themes. (Manchmal sind gleiche Wurzeln doch nicht schlecht). Wenn ich die Lust und Laune habe zum Touchpad zu greifen lasse ich blackbox starten, ist mir nicht danach und ich bin in der Stimmung meine Tastatur zu martern setze ich auf ion2. Wer ion2 einsetzt tut gut daran die Shortcuts aus der manpage auswendig zu lernen, oder sich jene irgendwo hinzuschreiben. Die *Box ist in meinen Augen mehr Maus und Menülastig. Eine Meinung ala xyz ist besser als zyx wird es von mir nicht geben. Weil wie bereits erwähnt wurde jeder WindowManager seine Vorzüge und Nachteile hat. -- so long, Rainer Bendig aka mindz PGP/GPG key (ID: 0xCC7EA575) http://unresolvedissue.org Get it from wwwkeys.de.pgp.net --- Don't reply to this e-mail address please dont cc to me on lists. If we meet on a list you can be sure that i am already on the list. -- Haeufig gestellte Fragen und Antworten (FAQ): http://www.de.debian.org/debian-user-german-FAQ/ Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: [X-Windows] generell: passenden WindowManager auswaehlen
On Fri, Sep 17, 2004 at 09:18:19PM +0200, MarcMeyer wrote: Dirk Salva wrote: On Fri, Sep 17, 2004 at 12:13:34PM +0200, Martin Werthmoeller wrote: Wie ist das mit dem Ressourcenverbrauch bezüglich des RAM? Ist Deiner Erfahrung nach ein K6-III-400 / 96MB ausreichend? Aehm. Wie waers mit RAM kaufen? Mit mehr Speicher ist ein K6-III-400 noch absolut brauchbar, bei mir laeuft er mittlerweile mit 640MB RAM absolut rund. Aber auch 392MB und 512MB vorher waren kein Problem. KDE laeuft darauf zufriedenstellend. ciao, Dirk Naja mehr ram setzt aber auch voraus, dass das Board das unterstützt usw... bei meinem ist bei 396 MB Schluss,, Also ganz so einfach ist es nicht immer, leider. Marc -- Haeufig gestellte Fragen und Antworten (FAQ): http://www.de.debian.org/debian-user-german-FAQ/ Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl) ciao, Dirk Mailantworten bitte an dsalva AT nutrimatic.ping.de Antworten an andere im Header stehende Adressen koennen verlorengehen! -- | Akkuschrauber-Kaufberatung and AEG-GSM-stuff | | Visit my homepage: http://www.nutrimatic.ping.de/ | | FIDO: Dirk Salva 2:244/6305.10 Internet: dsalvaATgmx.de | |The Ruhrgebiet, best place to live in Germany! | -- Haeufig gestellte Fragen und Antworten (FAQ): http://www.de.debian.org/debian-user-german-FAQ/ Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: [X-Windows] generell: passenden WindowManager auswaehlen
Hallo Pascal, Pascal Volk, 17.09.2004 (d.m.y): Ich stehe voll auf XFce, weil: * schnell und schlank * kann alles was er können soll und wohl noch viel mehr * der Desktop kann nicht zugemüllt werden ...und xfce kommt dem CDE kommerzieller Unix-Systeme wohl am naechsten - obwohl ich durchaus verstehen kann, wenn letztgenannter nicht bei jedermann auf uneingeschraenkte Zustimmung stoesst. GNOME und KDE sind _mir_ zu fett und zu lahm ...und eigentlich ziemlich ununixoid, von wegen one job - one tool. ;-) Gruss, Christian -- Wird der Bauer klein wie'n Zwerg, wohnt er beim Atomkraftwerk. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [X-Windows] generell: passenden WindowManager auswaehlen
Am Thu, 16 Sep 2004 um 16:23 GMT +0200 schrieb Walter Saner: und hat nicht ohne Grund seit Jahren fvwm als Standard-Linux-WindowManager abgelöst. Seit wann gibt es einen Standard-Linux-Windowmanager? Och, schon lange. Linux? Ein Windowmanager für den Kernel? :-) Gruß, martin! -- Opinions are like assholes -- everyone's got one, but nobody wants to look at the other guy's. -- Hal Hickman -- Haeufig gestellte Fragen und Antworten (FAQ): http://www.de.debian.org/debian-user-german-FAQ/ Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: [X-Windows] generell: passenden WindowManager auswaehlen
Martin Werthmoeller schrieb: Am Thu, 16 Sep 2004 um 16:23 GMT +0200 schrieb Walter Saner: Seit wann gibt es einen Standard-Linux-Windowmanager? Och, schon lange. Linux? Ein Windowmanager für den Kernel? :-) Da kannst du mal sehen, wie nützlich ein fehlertoleranter Parser ist. Der schluckt sogar klaglos ganz, ganz, wirklich ganz schlimme Tags im Subject. ;-) Ciao Walter -- Haeufig gestellte Fragen und Antworten (FAQ): http://www.de.debian.org/debian-user-german-FAQ/ Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: [X-Windows] generell: passenden WindowManager auswaehlen
Hallo Oliver Thieke ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: [welcher Windowmanager?] Gibt es im grossen weiten Netz keine Seite, wo mal die Manager verglichen werden ? Z.B. nach den Kriterien wie: + Ressourcenverbrauch Ich habe hier auf einem nicht ganz so alten Rechner (K6-II-400) xfce4 installiert. Der braucht mehr Ressourcen als sagen wir mal fluxbox, aber ist so eine Art leichtgewichtige Desktop-Umgebung. Das Ding basiert auf GTK. Ich habe dort auch schon mal eine Weile WindowMaker verwendet. Daher werde ich mal zu den beiden etwas mehr sagen. + Unterstuetzung von Hotkeys Wenn der WindowManager keine haben sollte, kannst Du eventuell ein externes Programm installieren, z.B. das hotkeys-Paket. Damit kannst Du immerhin ein paar Dinge konfigurieren. In wiefern Du damit WM-eigene Funktionen mit Tasten belegen kannst hängt dann wohl vom WM ab. + Untestuetzung anderer GUI-Libs (?) - GTK, Qt, GNUStep XFCE4 baut auf GTK auf. WindowMaker auf GnuStep. Andere Manager gehen andere Wege. Aber solange die Bibliotheken installiert sind, kannst Du auch Programme anderer DUs oder WMs verwenden. Genauso, wie KDE-Programme unter Gnome laufen, wenn die kdelibs installiert sind. + Emulation der GUIs anderer OS + Themes Bei XFCE4 hast Du eine relativ große Auswahl, da es GTK-basiert ist. Wie es bei den anderen aussieht kann ich nicht sagen. Farben/Hintergrundbilder sollten kein Problem sein. Aber vielleicht möchtest Du auch das Aussehen der Elemente komplett verändern, wie bei den KDE-Stilen oder GTK-Engines/Themes. + grafische Konfig-Tools Bei XFCE4 und WindowMaker vorhanden. IceWM hat glaub ich auch eines. + einfache/schwierige Konfig + Doku + Integration zusaetzlicher Tools Für Windowmaker gibt es eine ganze Reihe von kleineren Programmen, die sich dort gut einfügen, z.B. Mixer, Einwahlprogramme usw. XFCE4 sieht mit GTK-Anwendungen zusammen ganz gut aus, bringt außerdem einen Dateimanager mit. Die Paketverwaltung verrät Dir mehr: apt-cache search wmaker apt-cache search xfce4 Es gibt übrigens auch einen Login-Manager im WindowMaker-Look (wdm). Der funktioniert natürlich auch mit anderen WMs. + Stabilitaet + Sessions, Slits, Workspaces... Workspaces werden von allen unterstützt, die ich bis jetzt ausprobiert habe. Grüße Andreas Janssen -- Andreas Janssen [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP-Key-ID: 0xDC801674 ICQ #17079270 Registered Linux User #267976 http://www.andreas-janssen.de/debian-tipps.html -- Haeufig gestellte Fragen und Antworten (FAQ): http://www.de.debian.org/debian-user-german-FAQ/ Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: [X-Windows] generell: passenden WindowManager auswaehlen
Am Fri, 17 Sep 2004 um 10:52 GMT +0200 schrieb Andreas Janssen: Hallo Hallo Andreas, Ich habe hier auf einem nicht ganz so alten Rechner (K6-II-400) xfce4 installiert. Der braucht mehr Ressourcen als sagen wir mal fluxbox, aber ist so eine Art leichtgewichtige Desktop-Umgebung. Das Ding basiert auf GTK. Kannst Du mal kurz die Vor- und Nachteile von xfce beleuchten? Vor allem in wie weit das System für Win* konditionierte Normaluser geeignet ist. Wie ist das mit dem Ressourcenverbrauch bezüglich des RAM? Ist Deiner Erfahrung nach ein K6-III-400 / 96MB ausreichend? Gruß, martin! -- Wir benutzen nur ein Drittel unseres Gehirns zum Denken. Die Frage ist: Was tun wir mit dem anderen Drittel ? -- Haeufig gestellte Fragen und Antworten (FAQ): http://www.de.debian.org/debian-user-german-FAQ/ Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: [X-Windows] generell: passenden WindowManager auswaehlen
On Thu, Sep 16, 2004 at 04:23:02PM +0200, Walter Saner wrote: Martin Werthmoeller schrieb: Am Wed, 15 Sep 2004 um 23:56 GMT +0200 schrieb Martin Schmitz: Da brauchst Du keinen Vergleich. WindowMaker dürfte in allen genannten Kategorien am besten abschneiden AFAIK Ansichtssache oder Erfahrungssache. Aber tendentiell bestimmt richtig. Gar nicht Ansichtssache!!!1! | [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ /usr/sbin/update-alternatives --display x-window-manager | x-window-manager - status is auto. | link currently points to /usr/bin/wmaker | /usr/X11R6/bin/twm - priority 40 | slave x-window-manager.1.gz: /usr/X11R6/man/man1/twm.1x.gz | /usr/bin/wmaker - priority 50 | slave x-window-manager.1.gz: /usr/share/man/man1/wmaker.1x.gz | /usr/bin/fluxbox - priority 50 | slave x-window-manager.1.gz: /usr/share/man/man1/fluxbox.1.gz | Current `best' version is /usr/bin/wmaker. ^ lol [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ /usr/sbin/update-alternatives --display x-window-manager x-window-manager - status is manual. link currently points to /usr/bin/icewm-gnome /usr/bin/icewm-gnome - priority 60 [...] Current `best' version is /usr/bin/icewm-gnome. *SCNR* Grüße, Martin -- Haeufig gestellte Fragen und Antworten (FAQ): http://www.de.debian.org/debian-user-german-FAQ/ Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: [X-Windows] generell: passenden WindowManager auswaehlen
Moin Oliver! Oliver Thieke schrieb am Mittwoch, den 15. September 2004: + Ressourcenverbrauch IceWM, Wmaker, nehmen sich nicht viel. + Unterstuetzung von Hotkeys IceWM, Wmaker. Man kann auch extra-Tools nehmen (xbindkeys, xbindkeys-config). + Untestuetzung anderer GUI-Libs (?) - GTK, Qt, GNUStep Im WM? Wozu? Für die Paar Fenster-Elemente will man nicht eine Extra-Lib zu laden, das kostet nur Speicher und Rechenzeit. Und schränkt Konfigurierbarkeit ein oder macht sie kompliziert. + Emulation der GUIs anderer OS apt-cache show icewm + Themes apt-cache show icewm-themes + grafische Konfig-Tools icepref, u.a. (siehe Freshmeat) + einfache/schwierige Konfig Icewm, Klartext, selbsterklärende Direktiven, Kommentare + Doku Manual und FAQ, www.icewm.org + Integration zusaetzlicher Tools D.h. was genau? Und wozu? Docklets nach fd.o (z.B. KDE-Programme) können im Systray (aka icewmtray) laufen, minimiert. + Stabilitaet Ziemlich stabil. + Sessions, Slits, Workspaces... Sessions sind keine Sache des WM. Was sind slits? Workspaces gehören zur Standardaustattung. + ... Da haette ich auch Plus-Punkte für IceWM: fast beliebige Grafik-Formate fürs Hintergrund (imlib), Themes leicht anzupassen, XFT (schönere Fonts), saubere Internationalisierung (inklusive Multibyte/UTF-8-Support, nicht so ein Hack wie bei Wmaker), optionaler Events-Support (Sound-Daemon), schnell erlernbare Tasten-Kombis (da gut sichtbar). MfG, Eduard. -- In the beginning was the word, and the word was content-type: text/plain -- Haeufig gestellte Fragen und Antworten (FAQ): http://www.de.debian.org/debian-user-german-FAQ/ Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: [X-Windows] generell: passenden WindowManager auswaehlen
On Fri, Sep 17, 2004 at 02:31:11PM +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote: IceWM, Wmaker, nehmen sich nicht viel. Sche... auch. Jetzt hatte ich gehofft, dass in diesem thread wirklich mal jemand ein *vergleichbares* Urteil faellt, und wieder nix. Da wurde bisher empfohlen: fvwm, windowmaker, blackbox, fluxbox, icewm, xfce4. Nur hat es *keiner* geschafft, *seine ganz persoenlichen* Gruende fuer einen bestimmten und gegen die anderen WM klar darzulegen. Bisher ist auch dieser thread wieder nur eine nette Aufzaehlung, in der zwar jeder seine Vorliebe an den Mann bringt, aber niemand schreibt, *warum*... ciao, Dirk -- | Akkuschrauber-Kaufberatung and AEG-GSM-stuff | | Visit my homepage: http://www.nutrimatic.ping.de/ | | FIDO: Dirk Salva 2:244/6305.10 Internet: dsalvaATgmx.de | |The Ruhrgebiet, best place to live in Germany! | -- Haeufig gestellte Fragen und Antworten (FAQ): http://www.de.debian.org/debian-user-german-FAQ/ Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: [X-Windows] generell: passenden WindowManager auswaehlen
Hallo Martin Werthmoeller ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Am Fri, 17 Sep 2004 um 10:52 GMT +0200 schrieb Andreas Janssen: Ich habe hier auf einem nicht ganz so alten Rechner (K6-II-400) xfce4 installiert. Der braucht mehr Ressourcen als sagen wir mal fluxbox, aber ist so eine Art leichtgewichtige Desktop-Umgebung. Das Ding basiert auf GTK. Kannst Du mal kurz die Vor- und Nachteile von xfce beleuchten? Vor allem in wie weit das System für Win* konditionierte Normaluser geeignet ist. Xfce hat ein Panel, in das Icons zum Starten von Anwendungen abgelegt werden können, außerdem Appletts, zum Beispiel für die Zwischenablage, Lautstärkeregelung usw. Außerdem gibt es eine Taskleiste (getrennt vom Panel). Damit sollte ein Windows-Benutzer ganz gut zurechtkommen. Das Konfigurationsprogramm fand ich leicht zu benutzen. Da es GTK-basiert ist hast Du eine große Auswahl an Stilen, die sich sowohl auf XFCE4 aus auch auf GTK-Anwendungen auswirken. Damit passen diese Programme optisch zu XFCE4. Wie ist das mit dem Ressourcenverbrauch bezüglich des RAM? Ist Deiner Erfahrung nach ein K6-III-400 / 96MB ausreichend? Ja. Auf meinem Rechner habe ich es bis jetzt nicht so ausgiebig getestet, aber XFCE startete recht schnell, ebenso Mozilla. Die meisten genannten Alternativen brauchen noch weniger Ressourcen, wie XFCE im Vergleich zu WindowMaker abschneidet kann ich Dir allerdings nicht sagen. Grüße Andreas Janssen -- Andreas Janssen [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP-Key-ID: 0xDC801674 ICQ #17079270 Registered Linux User #267976 http://www.andreas-janssen.de/debian-tipps.html -- Haeufig gestellte Fragen und Antworten (FAQ): http://www.de.debian.org/debian-user-german-FAQ/ Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: [X-Windows] generell: passenden WindowManager auswaehlen
Am 17.09.2004 18:45 schrieb Dirk Salva: Sche... auch. Jetzt hatte ich gehofft, dass in diesem thread wirklich mal jemand ein *vergleichbares* Urteil faellt, und wieder nix. Da wurde bisher empfohlen: fvwm, windowmaker, blackbox, fluxbox, icewm, xfce4. Nur hat es *keiner* geschafft, *seine ganz persoenlichen* Gruende fuer einen bestimmten und gegen die anderen WM klar darzulegen. Bisher ist auch dieser thread wieder nur eine nette Aufzaehlung, in der zwar jeder seine Vorliebe an den Mann bringt, aber niemand schreibt, *warum*... Ich stehe voll auf XFce, weil: * schnell und schlank * kann alles was er knnen soll und wohl noch viel mehr * der Desktop kann nicht zugemllt werden GNOME und KDE sind _mir_ zu fett und zu lahm Hoffe das war was gehrt/gelesen werden wollte. ;-) Gruss Pascal -- Haeufig gestellte Fragen und Antworten (FAQ): http://www.de.debian.org/debian-user-german-FAQ/ Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: [X-Windows] generell: passenden WindowManager auswaehlen
Moin, On Fri, Sep 17, 2004 at 07:41:05PM +0200, Andreas Janssen wrote: Hallo Martin Werthmoeller ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: [...] Wie ist das mit dem Ressourcenverbrauch bezüglich des RAM? Ist Deiner Erfahrung nach ein K6-III-400 / 96MB ausreichend? Ja. Auf meinem Rechner habe ich es bis jetzt nicht so ausgiebig getestet, aber XFCE startete recht schnell, ebenso Mozilla. Die meisten das kann ich bestaetigen; ich nutze xfce auf nem Pent II 223 ... Gruss -- hgb -- Haeufig gestellte Fragen und Antworten (FAQ): http://www.de.debian.org/debian-user-german-FAQ/ Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: [X-Windows] generell: passenden WindowManager auswaehlen
* Oliver Thieke [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Ich hoffe Ihr hab da nen Tip ;-) ! Ich habe eine Weile lang evilwm [1] benutzt, jetzt läuft hier gerne ratpoison [2] (in der Bedienung mit screen [3] zu vergleichen). Letzteres wird dann beim Start von ratpoison gleich in einem aterm gestartet. Mir langt das meistens völlig. Wenn Dir die Richtung liegt, gibt es z. B. auch noch ion [4]. Gruß, Andreas Footnotes: -- [1] http://evilwm.sourceforge.net/ [2] http://ratpoison.sourceforge.net/ [3] http://www.gnu.org/software/screen/ [4] http://modeemi.cs.tut.fi/~tuomov/ion/ -- Haeufig gestellte Fragen und Antworten (FAQ): http://www.de.debian.org/debian-user-german-FAQ/ Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: [X-Windows] generell: passenden WindowManager auswaehlen
Dirk Salva wrote: Sche... auch. Jetzt hatte ich gehofft, dass in diesem thread wirklich mal jemand ein *vergleichbares* Urteil faellt, und wieder nix. Da wurde bisher empfohlen: fvwm, windowmaker, blackbox, fluxbox, icewm, xfce4. Nur hat es *keiner* geschafft, *seine ganz persoenlichen* Gruende fuer einen bestimmten und gegen die anderen WM klar darzulegen. iceWM ist gut, schnell, nicht so hungrig. Alle anderen sind Scheiße. Hoffe das war vergleichend genug... ;) SCNR -- Mit freundlichen Gruessen Bjoern Schmidt -- Haeufig gestellte Fragen und Antworten (FAQ): http://www.de.debian.org/debian-user-german-FAQ/ Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: [X-Windows] generell: passenden WindowManager auswaehlen
On Fri, Sep 17, 2004 at 12:13:34PM +0200, Martin Werthmoeller wrote: Wie ist das mit dem Ressourcenverbrauch bezüglich des RAM? Ist Deiner Erfahrung nach ein K6-III-400 / 96MB ausreichend? Aehm. Wie waers mit RAM kaufen? Mit mehr Speicher ist ein K6-III-400 noch absolut brauchbar, bei mir laeuft er mittlerweile mit 640MB RAM absolut rund. Aber auch 392MB und 512MB vorher waren kein Problem. KDE laeuft darauf zufriedenstellend. ciao, Dirk -- | Akkuschrauber-Kaufberatung and AEG-GSM-stuff | | Visit my homepage: http://www.nutrimatic.ping.de/ | | FIDO: Dirk Salva 2:244/6305.10 Internet: dsalvaATgmx.de | |The Ruhrgebiet, best place to live in Germany! | -- Haeufig gestellte Fragen und Antworten (FAQ): http://www.de.debian.org/debian-user-german-FAQ/ Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: [X-Windows] generell: passenden WindowManager auswaehlen
On Fri, Sep 17, 2004 at 07:46:53PM +0200, Pascal Volk wrote: Nur hat es *keiner* geschafft, *seine ganz persoenlichen* Gruende Ich stehe voll auf XFce, weil: * schnell und schlank * kann alles was er können soll und wohl noch viel mehr * der Desktop kann nicht zugemüllt werden GNOME und KDE sind _mir_ zu fett und zu lahm Hoffe das war was gehört/gelesen werden wollte. ;-) Na, schon besser;-) Die Frage ist mehr, warum hast Du Dich fuer diesen entschieden und nicht fuer Fluxbox, wmaker, fvwm oder sonstwen. Was kann er *fuer Dich* mehr als die anderen Alternativen? Wenn Du das beschreibst, finden vielleicht viele Unentschlossene viel bessere Argumente fuer sich selbst. Oftmals weiss man naemlich gar nicht so genau, was man ueberhaupt will/braucht. Sei es, weil man unentschlossen ist, oder auch einfach nur, weil man gar nicht weiss, dass eine bestimmte Funktion so und nicht anders heisst oder nur im Zusammenspiel mit einer anderen Funktion arbeitet oderoderoder... Und da sind persoenliche Begruendungen eben IMHO hilfreicher als ein einfaches probier sie aus. Das kann naemlich zur Sisyphusarbeit werden, und warum soll man das Rad neu erfinden!?... ciao, Dirk -- | Akkuschrauber-Kaufberatung and AEG-GSM-stuff | | Visit my homepage: http://www.nutrimatic.ping.de/ | | FIDO: Dirk Salva 2:244/6305.10 Internet: dsalvaATgmx.de | |The Ruhrgebiet, best place to live in Germany! | -- Haeufig gestellte Fragen und Antworten (FAQ): http://www.de.debian.org/debian-user-german-FAQ/ Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: [X-Windows] generell: passenden WindowManager auswaehlen
Dirk Salva wrote: On Fri, Sep 17, 2004 at 12:13:34PM +0200, Martin Werthmoeller wrote: Wie ist das mit dem Ressourcenverbrauch bezüglich des RAM? Ist Deiner Erfahrung nach ein K6-III-400 / 96MB ausreichend? Aehm. Wie waers mit RAM kaufen? Mit mehr Speicher ist ein K6-III-400 noch absolut brauchbar, bei mir laeuft er mittlerweile mit 640MB RAM absolut rund. Aber auch 392MB und 512MB vorher waren kein Problem. KDE laeuft darauf zufriedenstellend. ciao, Dirk Naja mehr ram setzt aber auch voraus, dass das Board das unterstützt usw... bei meinem ist bei 396 MB Schluss,, Also ganz so einfach ist es nicht immer, leider. Marc -- Haeufig gestellte Fragen und Antworten (FAQ): http://www.de.debian.org/debian-user-german-FAQ/ Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: [X-Windows] generell: passenden WindowManager auswaehlen
Hallo MarcMeyer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Dirk Salva wrote: On Fri, Sep 17, 2004 at 12:13:34PM +0200, Martin Werthmoeller wrote: Wie ist das mit dem Ressourcenverbrauch bezüglich des RAM? Ist Deiner Erfahrung nach ein K6-III-400 / 96MB ausreichend? Aehm. Wie waers mit RAM kaufen? Mit mehr Speicher ist ein K6-III-400 noch absolut brauchbar, bei mir laeuft er mittlerweile mit 640MB RAM absolut rund. Aber auch 392MB und 512MB vorher waren kein Problem. KDE laeuft darauf zufriedenstellend. Naja mehr ram setzt aber auch voraus, dass das Board das unterstützt usw... bei meinem ist bei 396 MB Schluss,, Also ganz so einfach ist es nicht immer, leider. Gibt es bei den Rechnern nicht unterhalb der maximalen Unterstützung auch noch eine Grenze für den Bereich, der gecached werden kann? Mein Board sagt glaube ich beim Starten was über eine DRAM cacheable area (128 MB). Grüße Andreas Janssen -- Andreas Janssen [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP-Key-ID: 0xDC801674 ICQ #17079270 Registered Linux User #267976 http://www.andreas-janssen.de/debian-tipps.html -- Haeufig gestellte Fragen und Antworten (FAQ): http://www.de.debian.org/debian-user-german-FAQ/ Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: [X-Windows] generell: passenden WindowManager auswaehlen
On Fri, Sep 17, 2004 at 09:34:11PM +0200, Andreas Janssen wrote: Gibt es bei den Rechnern nicht unterhalb der maximalen Unterstützung auch noch eine Grenze für den Bereich, der gecached werden kann? Mein Board sagt glaube ich beim Starten was über eine DRAM cacheable area (128 MB). Ja, eine solche Grenze gibt es, sie ist vom Chipsatz des Mainboards abhängig. Vor allem zu Sockel-7-Zeiten waren viele Boards mit billigen Chipsätzen ausgestattet (Intel TX, VX...), die nur 64MB Speicher cachen konnten. Wenn Du einen k6-III verwendest ist das allerdings uninteressant, da dieser einen eigenen L2-Cache hat. Mit einem k6-III beträgt die cacheable area daher 4GB, das sollte reichen. ;) cu, Uwe -- Haeufig gestellte Fragen und Antworten (FAQ): http://www.de.debian.org/debian-user-german-FAQ/ Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: [X-Windows] generell: passenden WindowManager auswaehlen
Am 2004-09-15 23:56:06, schrieb Martin Schmitz: Da brauchst Du keinen Vergleich. WindowMaker dürfte in allen genannten Kategorien am besten abschneiden und hat nicht ohne Grund seit Jahren fvwm als Standard-Linux-WindowManager abgelöst. Außerdem ist es der Hä ??? - Ich habe ih noch nirgends als standard gesehen... WindowManager des GNU-Projekts - und selbst SuSE installiert ihn in der ...und bei der SuSE 9 ist er auch nicht installiert. Standardinstallation neben KDE. Andere guckt man sich an, flirtet ein bißchen mit der Ästhetik oder dem ein oder anderen Feature, aber am Ende landet man doch wieder bei WindowMaker. Hier in Berlin gibt es z.B. an vielen Ecken Kneipen, in denen ein Linux-Rechner mit Internetanschluß stehet. Rate mal, welcher wm einen dort i.d.R. begrüßt? Gleiches Service-Unternehmen :-) scnr, Martin Greetings Michelle -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSM LinuxMichi 0033/3/8845235667100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: [X-Windows] generell: passenden WindowManager auswaehlen
Am 2004-09-16 16:23:02, schrieb Walter Saner: | [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ su -c update-alternatives --config x-window-manager | Password: | | There are 3 alternatives which provide window-manager'. | | SelectionAlternative | --- | 1/usr/X11R6/bin/twm | *+2/usr/bin/wmaker | 3/usr/bin/fluxbox | | Press enter to keep the default[*], or type selection number: ^^^ Interesant, bei mir steht fvwm seit der Erstinstallation drin... Seit SLINK :-) Sind das nicht grosse Hilfen für alle Vielbeschäftigten und Unentschlossenen? SCNR Walter Greetings Michelle -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSM LinuxMichi 0033/3/8845235667100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
