Re: changing my e-mail address
On Lu, 18 apr 11, 14:15:36, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: On Sun, 17 Apr 2011, Jonathan Matthews wrote: how to modify my address without doing unsubscribe/subscribe? What difference do you think there is between those 2 operations? Hint: none at all. your arithmetic seems curious. For 1 list: 4 clicks / 2 replies / 6 mails For 11 lists: 24 clicks / 22 replies / 66 mails instead of : 1 click / 1 reply / 1 mail for both cases. For mass subscribe/unsubscribe majordomo can help. Send a mail with 'help' in the body to majordomo@l.d.o for instructions. Regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: changing my e-mail address
On Du, 17 apr 11, 10:19:30, sal migondis wrote: That's not what he asked, is it...?!!! OP: how do I MODIFY my address WITHOUT doing unsubscribe/subscribe Wise guy: The answer is... unsubscribe.. subscribe HElloooOO...??? Anybody home...??? I took a quick look, and I did not see any way you can do it. And I think this is about as lame as it gets. So basically you have to fill out the subscription form again, reply to the email to confirm your subscription... etc. Wise guy: That's not too hard Yeah, right.. Imagine for a second the OP is subscribed to .. TEN.. TWENTY.. different debian mailing lists... But this piece of information was missing from the initial question and the answer is 'majordomo' ;) Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: changing my e-mail address
On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 09:25 +0200, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: hi, I want to change the address used for my subscription to this list. On other lists, there is generally an option to modify the e-mail address used for subscribing, but I didn't find that for debian lists. Otherwise, I can of course unsubscribe, and subscribe with the new one Weird thread ... :) Unfortunately you can't change your email address and the only way to achieve what you want is to subscribe and unsubscribe (yes, in that order or you will lose mail - filtering duplicates is easy). The question is therefore: How to mass subscribe/unsubscribe easily? * Mass (un)subscribe pages [1] * Mail to majord...@lists.debian.org Instructions can be found on [2] about the relevant commands. I find this method to be the most easy/fast one. You will still have to send a bunch of confirmation back and forth. I hope this helps and you will succeed in changing your email address. [1] http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/subscribe http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/unsubscribe [2] http://www.infodrom.org/projects/majorsmart/ -- .''`. Wolodja Wentlandbabi...@gmail.com : :' : `. `'` 4096R/CAF14EFC `- 081C B7CD FF04 2BA9 94EA 36B2 8B7F 7D30 CAF1 4EFC signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: changing my e-mail address
On Sun, 17 Apr 2011, Freeman wrote: Nice skit but there is misinformation in the what if. The Debian list page has a form for unsubscribing/subscribing multiple lists. Confirming a subscription/unsubscription is a one-click proportion and would be necessary for a address change function too, were there one. did you check that? I did it, i.e subscribing for 11 lists: - I needed not 1 click, but 12 - after that, I received 11 confirm mail requests - after that, I received 22 acknowledgment mails !!! which makes, for subscribe/unsubscribe: 24 clicks, 11 replying mails, and 66 received mails. to compare with Ubuntu, or Firefox Changing your support-firefox membership information You can change the address that you are subscribed to the mailing list with by entering the new address in the fields below. Note that a confirmation email will be sent to the new address, and the change must be confirmed before it is processed. Confirmations time out after about 3 days. You can also optionally set or change your real name (i.e. John Smith). If you want to make the membership changes for all the lists that you are subscribed to at lists.mozilla.org, turn on the Change globally check box. ^ New address: Again to confirm: -- Pierre Frenkiel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/alpine.deb.2.00.1104181011370.16...@pfr2.frenkiel-hure.net
Re: changing my e-mail address
On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 08:34:47PM +0100, Jonathan Matthews wrote: On 16 April 2011 18:39, Pierre Frenkiel pierre.frenk...@laposte.net wrote: On Sat, 16 Apr 2011, Lisi wrote: quote To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. /quote Have you tried this? You don't mention it. And did you read my post? The question was not how to unsubcribe?, but how to modify my address without doing unsubscribe/subscribe? What difference do you think there is between those 2 operations? Hint: none at all. I can see one difference between the two; modifying the address should, on the face of it, be atomic, That is, on a busy mailing-list such as -user, modifying ones address should result in no missed posts. But unsubscribing/resubscribing would mean that posts sent in between the two events would not be received. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: changing my e-mail address
On Sun, 17 Apr 2011, Jonathan Matthews wrote: how to modify my address without doing unsubscribe/subscribe? What difference do you think there is between those 2 operations? Hint: none at all. your arithmetic seems curious. For 1 list: 4 clicks / 2 replies / 6 mails For 11 lists: 24 clicks / 22 replies / 66 mails instead of : 1 click / 1 reply / 1 mail for both cases. -- Pierre Frenkiel
Re: changing my e-mail address
In alpine.deb.2.00.1104181407560.16...@pfr2.frenkiel-hure.net, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: On Sun, 17 Apr 2011, Jonathan Matthews wrote: how to modify my address without doing unsubscribe/subscribe? What difference do you think there is between those 2 operations? Hint: none at all. your arithmetic seems curious. For 1 list: 4 clicks / 2 replies / 6 mails For 11 lists: 24 clicks / 22 replies / 66 mails instead of : 1 click / 1 reply / 1 mail for both cases. Well, from personal experience, I can tell you it isn't 1 mail to change your address. The unsubscribe request gets a reply, the subscribe request needs confirmation, and the confirmation gets a reply. So, to change your address on one list, expect 3 emails sent to you. The reason the number of clicks doesn't scale is because there is a mass subscribe/unsubscribe page. It takes roughly 3-4 clicks to get to the page, then each mailing list is just one click on top of that. So, while the relationship is still linear, there is an understandable constant overhead. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: changing my e-mail address
On Mon, 18 Apr 2011, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: Well, from personal experience, I can tell you it isn't 1 mail to change your address. The unsubscribe request gets a reply, the subscribe request needs confirmation, and the confirmation gets a reply. So, to change your address on one list, expect 3 emails sent to you. hi Boyd, you should read previous posts... I was comparing the Debian way (subscribe/unsubscribe) to the way you modify your settings for Ubuntu or Firefox lists regards, -- Pierre Frenkiel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/alpine.deb.2.00.1104182119050.16...@pfr2.frenkiel-hure.net
Re: changing my e-mail address
On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 10:25:35AM +0200, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: On Sun, 17 Apr 2011, Freeman wrote: Nice skit but there is misinformation in the what if. The Debian list page has a form for unsubscribing/subscribing multiple lists. Confirming a subscription/unsubscription is a one-click proportion and would be necessary for a address change function too, were there one. did you check that? I did it, i.e subscribing for 11 lists: - I needed not 1 click, but 12 - after that, I received 11 confirm mail requests - after that, I received 22 acknowledgment mails !!! which makes, for subscribe/unsubscribe: 24 clicks, 11 replying mails, and 66 received mails. to compare with Ubuntu, or Firefox Changing your support-firefox membership information You can change the address that you are subscribed to the mailing list with by entering the new address in the fields below. Note that a confirmation email will be sent to the new address, and the change must be confirmed before it is processed. Confirmations time out after about 3 days. You can also optionally set or change your real name (i.e. John Smith). If you want to make the membership changes for all the lists that you are subscribed to at lists.mozilla.org, turn on the Change globally check box. ^ OK, looks like I am unfamiliar with subscribing to multiple lists on a contemporary list server other than list.debian.org. Stuck in the past. Still am delighted with Smartlist. Content with 11 confirmation replies. Even feel assured by the meticulous 22 acknowledgements. What can I say. -- Regards, Freeman Microsoft is not the answer. Microsoft is the question. NO (or Linux) is the answer. --Somebody -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110418201011.GA5964@Europa.office
Re: changing my e-mail address
On Sat, 16 Apr 2011, Dr. Ed Morbius wrote: how to modify my address without doing unsubscribe/subscribe? The answer to your question is: unsubscribe the old address. Subscribe the new one. I'm afraid your logic is not mine! The correct answer to my question is: that's not possiblë with debian lists -- Pierre Frenkiel
Re: changing my e-mail address
On 04/17/2011 02:08 AM, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: On Sat, 16 Apr 2011, Dr. Ed Morbius wrote: how to modify my address without doing unsubscribe/subscribe? The answer to your question is: unsubscribe the old address. Subscribe the new one. I'm afraid your logic is not mine! The correct answer to my question is: that's not possiblë with debian lists You seem to think that electronic mailing lists are managed the same way as snail mailing lists. They aren't. -- Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt. Samuel Adams, essay in The Public Advertiser, 1749 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4daaa213.3040...@cox.net
Re: changing my e-mail address
On Sun, 17 Apr 2011, Ron Johnson wrote: how to modify my address without doing unsubscribe/subscribe? The answer to your question is: unsubscribe the old address. Subscribe the new one. I'm afraid your logic is not mine! The correct answer to my question is: that's not possiblë with debian lists You seem to think that electronic mailing lists are managed the same way as snail mailing lists. I really don't understand at all this sentence. I don't see the slightest relation with the quoted part above. I just wrote it's not possible, which is obviously true, without any comment. As for the modify address feature, do you put the Ubuntu mailing lists in the snail category?! -- Pierre Frenkiel
Re: changing my e-mail address
On Sunday 17 April 2011 11:02:43 Pierre Frenkiel wrote: As for the modify address feature, do you put the Ubuntu mailing lists in the snail category?! They are certainly not most other lists. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201104171121.25899.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: changing my e-mail address
Hi Pierre, On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 12:02:43PM +0200, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: On Sun, 17 Apr 2011, Ron Johnson wrote: how to modify my address without doing unsubscribe/subscribe? The answer to your question is: unsubscribe the old address. Subscribe the new one. I'm afraid your logic is not mine! The correct answer to my question is: that's not possible with debian lists You seem to think that electronic mailing lists are managed the same way as snail mailing lists. I really don't understand at all this sentence. I don't see the slightest relation with the quoted part above. I just wrote it's not possible, which is obviously true, without any comment. As for the modify address feature, do you put the Ubuntu mailing lists in the snail category?! FEATURE comes with high price tag of making it possible. We as volunteer group has to make priority choice since we lack manpower to do all. I do not think you paid for Debian mailing list service :-) But what exactly is needed by you? It seems to me that your frustration is coming mostly from your lack of knowledge how this system works. 1) To send mail from other mail service, you can do it any time by yourself since Debian is open list. You do not need to use registered address to send mail. 2) To change mail address showing up on mailing list and its archive, you can do it any time by yourself since spoofing mail address is trivial act of your mail client configuration. 3) To change mail address receiving mailing list, just subscribe with new address. you can toss duplicates for now. Then you can unsubscribe. bandwidth is cj\heap. 4) If you hate getting too much mails, just do not subscribe to it. You can read it from news reader or from web pages. The negative damage of doing 3rd case is minimal. Naturally, no one cares to set up such interface to change subscription address. If you are wondering what I am talking as case 1 and 2, please learn how to use mail client. I understand it is a bit obscure for novice PC user. Reading basics should help you. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch06.en.html#_the_mail_system Osamu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110417125509.ga10...@debian.org
Re: changing my e-mail address
On Sun, 17 Apr 2011, Osamu Aoki wrote: ... Hi Osamu, thank you for taking time to write a long answer, Nonetheless, there is a basic misunderstanding of my post:for me, asking a question is not equivalent to complaining! I asked: is a feature available for ubuntu lists available for debian? The only answer should have been no, and the thread would have been closed. Moreover, an other feature is better for Debian than for Ubuntu: they remove the subscription only after a certain bounce-rate, and not at the first bounced mail. So, nobody's perfect But what exactly is needed by you? It seems to me that your frustration is coming mostly from your lack of knowledge how this system works. where do you see frustration? (cf above) . . . 3) To change mail address receiving mailing list, just subscribe with new address. you can toss duplicates for now. Then you can unsubscribe. bandwidth is cj\heap. it's axactly the solution I gave in my 1st post, if the modify address feature was not available. I actually needed that because the manager of my old mailbox was unable to solve the bounce problem(mails coming from some domains always rejected, independantly of any spam filter) If you are wondering what I am talking as case 1 and 2, please learn how to use mail client. I understand it is a bit obscure for novice PC user. it's kind to you to suggest that, but I would bet that I'm using e-mail since a longer time than you. And again, this has nothing to do with my post. regards, -- Pierre Frenkiel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/alpine.deb.2.00.1104171511150.12...@pfr2.frenkiel-hure.net
Re: changing my e-mail address
On Sunday 17 April 2011 14:40:46 Pierre Frenkiel wrote: On Sun, 17 Apr 2011, Osamu Aoki wrote: ... Hi Osamu, thank you for taking time to write a long answer, Nonetheless, there is a basic misunderstanding of my post:for me, asking a question is not equivalent to complaining! quote PS: what bothers me is that I wrote several times to listow...@lists.debian.org, for a problem with bounces and for the present question, and never got any answer, although they say: You are welcome to contact listmas...@lists.debian.org it seems that this address is just managed by a robot... /quote That is definitely complaining. Moreover it is complaining that busy people had not chosen to answer a trivial question - except that that is not what happened. _You_ made a fairly stupid mistake of mis-copying. We all make stupid mistakes but a) in my experience most people apologise for them and b) most people do not then go on to reply condescendingly to one of the most knowledgeable people on this list. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201104171513.50514.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: changing my e-mail address
how to modify my address without doing unsubscribe/subscribe? The answer to your question is: unsubscribe the old address. Subscribe the new one. That's not what he asked, is it...?!!! OP: how do I MODIFY my address WITHOUT doing unsubscribe/subscribe Wise guy: The answer is... unsubscribe.. subscribe HElloooOO...??? Anybody home...??? I took a quick look, and I did not see any way you can do it. And I think this is about as lame as it gets. So basically you have to fill out the subscription form again, reply to the email to confirm your subscription... etc. Wise guy: That's not too hard Yeah, right.. Imagine for a second the OP is subscribed to .. TEN.. TWENTY.. different debian mailing lists... Or is there a recommendation somewhere that says that it is foolish to subscribe to more than one (two?) debian list(s) at the same time... The GNU mailing lists for instance have an easy to access option where you can edit your subscription options, including specifying a new email address. I'm afraid your logic is not mine! The correct answer to my question is: that's not possiblë with debian lists Apparently, there are people here who can't read. If they cannot provide anything more positive such as indicating how this situation could be improved, maybe they should have simply said 'sorry, debian uses lousy mailing list management software or is not set up properly and there's nothing our volunteers can do about it.' The latter would probably not make the OP happy, but I'm sure he would have been OK with that.. and that answer would certainly be preferable than half a dozen messages that only show that the their authors did not even bother to read his post. Maybe the famous 'how to ask smart questions' document needs to be complemented by 'how to avoid posting dumb replies'. Sal. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/BANLkTi=udw3pmqm-cbvn2okc4u4lb3m...@mail.gmail.com
Re: changing my e-mail address
On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 10:19:30AM -0400, sal migondis wrote: how to modify my address without doing unsubscribe/subscribe? The answer to your question is: unsubscribe the old address. Subscribe the new one. That's not what he asked, is it...?!!! OP: how do I MODIFY my address WITHOUT doing unsubscribe/subscribe Wise guy: The answer is... unsubscribe.. subscribe HElloooOO...??? Anybody home...??? I took a quick look, and I did not see any way you can do it. And I think this is about as lame as it gets. So basically you have to fill out the subscription form again, reply to the email to confirm your subscription... etc. Wise guy: That's not too hard Yeah, right.. Imagine for a second the OP is subscribed to .. TEN.. TWENTY.. different debian mailing lists... Or is there a recommendation somewhere that says that it is foolish to subscribe to more than one (two?) debian list(s) at the same time... Nice skit but there is misinformation in the what if. The Debian list page has a form for unsubscribing/subscribing multiple lists. Confirming a subscription/unsubscription is a one-click proportion and would be necessary for a address change function too, were there one. The GNU mailing lists for instance have an easy to access option where you can edit your subscription options, including specifying a new email address. Everyone in cyberspace allocates their resources toward the features that meet their unique criteria. Nothing new there. We choose according to the aggregation of features, priories and objectives that fit us best. I'm afraid your logic is not mine! The correct answer to my question is: that's not possiblë with debian lists Apparently, there are people here who can't read. If they cannot provide anything more positive such as indicating how this situation could be improved, maybe they should have simply said 'sorry, debian uses lousy mailing list management software or is not set up properly and there's nothing our volunteers can do about it.' Smartlist is great and very Debian. The latter would probably not make the OP happy, but I'm sure he would have been OK with that.. and that answer would certainly be preferable than half a dozen messages that only show that the their authors did not even bother to read his post. It's the weekend. Maybe the famous 'how to ask smart questions' document needs to be complemented by 'how to avoid posting dumb replies'. Jumping newbies and non-geeks is particularly distasteful in my opinion. -- Regards, Freeman Microsoft is not the answer. Microsoft is the question. NO (or Linux) is the answer. --Somebody -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110417190938.GA1930@Europa.office
Re: changing my e-mail address
On 16 April 2011 18:39, Pierre Frenkiel pierre.frenk...@laposte.net wrote: On Sat, 16 Apr 2011, Lisi wrote: quote To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. /quote Have you tried this? You don't mention it. And did you read my post? The question was not how to unsubcribe?, but how to modify my address without doing unsubscribe/subscribe? What difference do you think there is between those 2 operations? Hint: none at all. It's curious that I got 5 replys, all about the PS, but not a single answer to my question ! Your question was boring as you self-answered in your original mail. Just do the damn unsubscribe/subscribe dance. If it causes you problems, please reconsider the wisdom of owning a complex bit of kit like your computer. Also, learn how to respond to people trying to help you with your questions whilst /not/ sounding like a git. If this is a secondary-language thing, hence you didn't otherwise realise it: your email, above, made you sound like a git. Stop that. HTH, Jonathan -- Jonathan Matthews London, UK http://www.jpluscplusm.com/contact.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/banlktikkhqchnr7gp1mwb+tknskpmlm...@mail.gmail.com
Re: changing my e-mail address
On 18 April 2011 05:34, Jonathan Matthews cont...@jpluscplusm.com wrote: On 16 April 2011 18:39, Pierre Frenkiel pierre.frenk...@laposte.net wrote: On Sat, 16 Apr 2011, Lisi wrote: quote To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. /quote Have you tried this? You don't mention it. And did you read my post? The question was not how to unsubcribe?, but how to modify my address without doing unsubscribe/subscribe? What difference do you think there is between those 2 operations? Hint: none at all. It's curious that I got 5 replys, all about the PS, but not a single answer to my question ! Your question was boring as you self-answered in your original mail. Just do the damn unsubscribe/subscribe dance. If it causes you problems, please reconsider the wisdom of owning a complex bit of kit like your computer. Also, learn how to respond to people trying to help you with your questions whilst /not/ sounding like a git. If this is a secondary-language thing, hence you didn't otherwise realise it: your email, above, made you sound like a git. Stop that. Agreed! It carries on like an attention deficit disorder and qualifies as noise pollution. That's all I can see. The 'Newbie' tag others are attaching to it simply doesn't fit with its references to Ubuntu lists etc. It knows what the deal is. Do it. Anything that might have remotely resembled a valid question was answered some time ago, politely. If he chooses to persist in lunacy, it's time for the other. Sounds like the kind of idiot that would use toilet paper and then complain that it was soiled. Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Fwd: Re: changing my e-mail address
Dear List, My cat, much enjoying this thread, would like to know: What please, referencing particular persons, is a 'git'? Thank you. P.A. Original Message Subject: Re: changing my e-mail address Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 19:48:55 + (UTC) Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 05:48:39 +1000 From: Heddle Weaver weaver2wo...@gmail.com To: Debian-User list debian-user@lists.debian.org On 18 April 2011 05:34, Jonathan Matthews cont...@jpluscplusm.com wrote: On 16 April 2011 18:39, Pierre Frenkiel pierre.frenk...@laposte.net wrote: On Sat, 16 Apr 2011, Lisi wrote: quote To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. /quote Have you tried this? You don't mention it. And did you read my post? The question was not how to unsubcribe?, but how to modify my address without doing unsubscribe/subscribe? What difference do you think there is between those 2 operations? Hint: none at all. It's curious that I got 5 replys, all about the PS, but not a single answer to my question ! Your question was boring as you self-answered in your original mail. Just do the damn unsubscribe/subscribe dance. If it causes you problems, please reconsider the wisdom of owning a complex bit of kit like your computer. Also, learn how to respond to people trying to help you with your questions whilst /not/ sounding like a git. If this is a secondary-language thing, hence you didn't otherwise realise it: your email, above, made you sound like a git. Stop that. Agreed! It carries on like an attention deficit disorder and qualifies as noise pollution. That's all I can see. The 'Newbie' tag others are attaching to it simply doesn't fit with its references to Ubuntu lists etc. It knows what the deal is. Do it. Anything that might have remotely resembled a valid question was answered some time ago, politely. If he chooses to persist in lunacy, it's time for the other. Sounds like the kind of idiot that would use toilet paper and then complain that it was soiled. Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4dab4b6d.7050...@aya.yale.edu
Re: Re: changing my e-mail address
On 17 April 2011 21:19, PMA peterarmstr...@aya.yale.edu wrote: Dear List, My cat, much enjoying this thread, would like to know: What please, referencing particular persons, is a 'git'? Tell it to have a look at http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=git It's a predominately British insult. Jonathan -- Jonathan Matthews London, UK http://www.jpluscplusm.com/contact.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/banlktimuq-zm4fbngn1ygswvegum8f7...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Re: changing my e-mail address
On 18 April 2011 06:41, Jonathan Matthews cont...@jpluscplusm.com wrote: On 17 April 2011 21:19, PMA peterarmstr...@aya.yale.edu wrote: Dear List, My cat, much enjoying this thread, would like to know: What please, referencing particular persons, is a 'git'? Tell it to have a look at http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=git It's a predominately British insult. But it works in any language. Even the American dialect! Hello, Ron. Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: changing my e-mail address
On Sunday 17 April 2011 14:40:46 Pierre Frenkiel wrote: On Sun, 17 Apr 2011, Osamu Aoki wrote: ... Hi Osamu, thank you for taking time to write a long answer, Nonetheless, there is a basic misunderstanding of my post:for me, asking a question is not equivalent to complaining! quote PS: what bothers me is that I wrote several times to listow...@lists.debian.org, for a problem with bounces and for the present question, and never got any answer, although they say: You are welcome to contact listmas...@lists.debian.org it seems that this address is just managed by a robot... /quote That is definitely complaining. Oh yeah... care to explain why...?? He is saying that 'it bothers him'.. would it not bother _you_, Ms. Lisi, if _you_ wrote to the list owner and got no reply..??? The OP wastes perhaps ten minutes sending a polite request to the list owner and he never gets a reply.. On the face of it, Mr. Frankiel is merely stating that he would have preferred to get some kind of answer. Anything wrong with that..? The OP also states one is 'welcome to contact listmas...@lists.debian.org' and that he suspects that this address is managed by a bot. Hell.. who knows.. Honestly, I don't see anything damning in what Mr. Frankiel wrote. As far as I can tell, you're the only one complaining together with the other two whining Brits. Oops.. Sorry..sorry.. sorry.. I didn't mean to be offensive, I meant the other two _Englishmen_, since you 'gitting', 'buggering' folks appear to believe you are so uniquely special and so vastly superior to everybody else. Ms. Lisi, please face the facts.. as usual you are the one who's bitching. Anything wrong with your life that you should jump on every opportunity to pick on an honest first time poster and try setting up some kind of lynching party..? Sit tight Ms. Lisi.. The good news is that I have some experience helping out disturbed older dames.. Seriously, there is a worrying trend about your posts.. I think you need help. Maybe I could help you... :-) Moreover it is complaining that busy people had not chosen to answer a trivial question Ah.. the usual trick.. now we're being politically correct, right.?? suggesting the OP is such a despicable ungrateful so and so.. and all the time Mr. Frankiel never said any such thing.. and yet you are trying to isolate him by making him look terrible. How clever of you Ms. Lisi...! And how kind...! Oh and yes, we always tend to forget how non-trivial _your_ questions to this list have been for as long as we can remember. Let's now create an English-English locale.. just for our Lisi... Now wasn't _that_ a clever question.. ;-) We all make stupid mistakes but a) in my experience most people apologise for them and b) most people do not then go on to reply condescendingly to one of the most knowledgeable people on this list. Ah for f*ck's bloody sake.. Asamu Aoki has the nerve to write in his rather lamentable English that 'If you are wondering what I am talking as case 1 and 2, please learn how to use mail client. I understand it is a bit obscure for novice PC user.' If anything, what's clearly obscure to any native speaker of English is Mr. AA's wording - LOL. But all the same I get the general idea. And I find his remarks are not just condescending, they are downright _insulting_ ...!!! So much so that I would not blame Mr. Frankiel for hopping the next plane to Fukushima and kicking Mr. Oaki's insolent ass..! Mr. Osamu, how the hell do you know that Pierre Frankiel is a 'novice PC user'..?? Let me answer that for you.. _you do not_.. And of course you are not totally stupid and you know that as well. So, why are you being dishonest? And how does being an 'advanced PC user' relate to a clear understanding of how mailing lists work in the first place..? That's not user knowledge Mr. Osamu.. being so knowledgeable, you should know that this is administrator stuff.. What remarkable achievements grant you, Mr. Oaki permission to treat the OP like he was some kind of half-evolved monkey...? I for one, would love to hear your apologies.. So tell us now dizzy Miss Lizzy, who the hell is exhibiting a condescending attitude..?? Me, the OP, Oaki..? Or you possibly...? I can't believe you're for real, Ms. Lisi.. Someone must be paying you to turn this forum into a shambles. Sal. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/banlktikfvdghtbr1dtban6szggt1gtq...@mail.gmail.com
Re: changing my e-mail address
On 18 April 2011 11:50, sal migondis salmi...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday 17 April 2011 14:40:46 Pierre Frenkiel wrote: On Sun, 17 Apr 2011, Osamu Aoki wrote: ... Hi Osamu, thank you for taking time to write a long answer, Nonetheless, there is a basic misunderstanding of my post:for me, asking a question is not equivalent to complaining! quote PS: what bothers me is that I wrote several times to listow...@lists.debian.org, for a problem with bounces and for the present question, and never got any answer, although they say: You are welcome to contact listmas...@lists.debian.org it seems that this address is just managed by a robot... /quote That is definitely complaining. Oh yeah... care to explain why...?? He is saying that 'it bothers him'.. would it not bother _you_, Ms. Lisi, if _you_ wrote to the list owner and got no reply..??? The OP wastes perhaps ten minutes sending a polite request to the list owner and he never gets a reply.. On the face of it, Mr. Frankiel is merely stating that he would have preferred to get some kind of answer. Anything wrong with that..? The OP also states one is 'welcome to contact listmas...@lists.debian.org' and that he suspects that this address is managed by a bot. Hell.. who knows.. Big snip of a whole lot of totally immaterial, immature garbage. Two of them? Strike me pink! And me? A Kiwi living in Australia, a Brit?? No need to be insulting! The OP got so many appropriate answers they would have choked an elephant. Now what? Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: changing my e-mail address
And me? A Kiwi living in Australia, a Brit?? lol .. Drunk as I was, I did smell something fishy.. all apologies, mate.. So now we have a Prisoner of his Majesty siding with the poms..? What is the world coming to..? No need to be insulting! :-) The OP got so many appropriate answers they would have choked an elephant. Now what? Time for bed here in NYC.. Regards, Same.. Sal. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/banlktik3ukeg0k8aoezbm2n2_22pb7h...@mail.gmail.com
Re: changing my e-mail address
On Sat, 16 Apr 2011 09:25:25 +0200 (CEST) Pierre Frenkiel pierre.frenk...@laposte.net wrote: hi, I want to change the address used for my subscription to this list. On other lists, there is generally an option to modify the e-mail address used for subscribing, but I didn't find that for debian lists. Otherwise, I can of course unsubscribe, and subscribe with the new one PS: what bothers me is that I wrote several times to listow...@lists.debian.org, for a problem with bounces and for the present question, and never got any answer, although they say: You are welcome to contact listmas...@lists.debian.org it seems that this address is just managed by a robot... occam's razor The entirely carefree bunch who manage this list don't even get a beer at the end of the day. You're more than welcome to contact them, and they're more than welcome to go snag a beer. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110416051104.5daa8d03@t61.debian-linux
Re: changing my e-mail address
On Saturday 16 April 2011 10:11:04 Slicky Johnson wrote: On Sat, 16 Apr 2011 09:25:25 +0200 (CEST) Pierre Frenkiel pierre.frenk...@laposte.net wrote: hi, I want to change the address used for my subscription to this list. On other lists, there is generally an option to modify the e-mail address used for subscribing, but I didn't find that for debian lists. Otherwise, I can of course unsubscribe, and subscribe with the new one PS: what bothers me is that I wrote several times to listow...@lists.debian.org, for a problem with bounces and for the present question, and never got any answer, although they say: You are welcome to contact listmas...@lists.debian.org it seems that this address is just managed by a robot... occam's razor The entirely carefree bunch who manage this list don't even get a beer at the end of the day. You're more than welcome to contact them, and they're more than welcome to go snag a beer. quote To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. /quote Have you tried this? You don't mention it. (It would obviously have to be from the address with which you are subscribed.) Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201104161023.23367.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: changing my e-mail address
On Sb, 16 apr 11, 09:25:25, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: hi, I want to change the address used for my subscription to this list. On other lists, there is generally an option to modify the e-mail address used for subscribing, but I didn't find that for debian lists. Otherwise, I can of course unsubscribe, and subscribe with the new one PS: what bothers me is that I wrote several times to listow...@lists.debian.org, ^^^ for a problem with bounces and for the present question, and never got any answer, although they say: You are welcome to contact listmas...@lists.debian.org it seems that this address is just managed by a robot... Definitely not, I had feedback before when writing to the *correct* address ;) Regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: changing my e-mail address
On 2011-04-16 07:25:25 GMT, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: I wrote several times to listowner at lists.debian.org, for a problem with bounces and for the present question, and never got any answer My e-mail to lists.debian.org (and to nowhere else) started bouncing, about a year ago. This was about when my employer started prepending a BATV tag to my outgoing mails, changing my simple e-mail address into a variable mess of this general form: prvs=986f23af3=sk...@syrano.acb.uc.edu. When I wrote to listmas...@lists.debian.org, I did get a helpful reply, but I didn't fully understand it. It said that they do envelope from sender verification. What I think this means is that they send some test message back to the munged address with BATV tag. My server doesn't accept mail to the munged address and bounces it. So the verification fails and my post is tossed. I gave up and now post to the list at http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.user. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/loom.20110416t150025-...@post.gmane.org
Re: changing my e-mail address
On Sat, 16 Apr 2011, Andrei Popescu wrote: Definitely not, I had feedback before when writing to the *correct* address ;) sorry for the mistake in my post: Actually, I did a reply to a mail warning from listmas...@lists.debian.org so tha address was of course automatically the good one. So you were luckier than me. -- Pierre Frenkiel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/alpine.deb.2.00.1104161915260.28...@pfr2.frenkiel-hure.net
Re: changing my e-mail address
On Sat, 16 Apr 2011, Slicky Johnson wrote: occam's razor The entirely carefree bunch who manage this list don't even get a beer at the end of the day. You're more than welcome to contact them, and they're more than welcome to go snag a beer. It's the case for most people working on Linux, but Occam would say: If you can't answer, don't ask people to send you questions -- Pierre Frenkiel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/alpine.deb.2.00.1104161929340.28...@pfr2.frenkiel-hure.net
Re: changing my e-mail address
On Sat, 16 Apr 2011, Lisi wrote: quote To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. /quote Have you tried this? You don't mention it. And did you read my post? The question was not how to unsubcribe?, but how to modify my address without doing unsubscribe/subscribe? It's curious that I got 5 replys, all about the PS, but not a single answer to my question ! -- Pierre Frenkiel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/alpine.deb.2.00.1104161934010.28...@pfr2.frenkiel-hure.net
Re: changing my e-mail address
On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 09:25:25AM +0200, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: hi, I want to change the address used for my subscription to this list. On other lists, there is generally an option to modify the e-mail address used for subscribing, but I didn't find that for debian lists. Otherwise, I can of course unsubscribe, and subscribe with the new one PS: what bothers me is that I wrote several times to listow...@lists.debian.org, for a problem with bounces and for the present question, and never got any answer, although they say: You are welcome to contact listmas...@lists.debian.org it seems that this address is just managed by a robot... One of the sticker parts of getting the best OS in the world for free. When the overworked, understaffed, volunteers don't reply to pleas for help, that means: Somewhere between we don't talk to idiots (not really) to you'll figure it out, on the one axis; between I am fighting with my significant other (probably not) to I got as many of the most important tasks and responses done as I could on the other axis; and between try, try, try again (if you think it that important) to it's in the queue, on the third axis. I have always just subscribed my new address, then unsubscribed my old. I don't think there is a change address function. List help reply below: From listmas...@lists.debian.org Sat Apr 16 10:32:51 2011 Return-path: listmas...@lists.debian.org Envelope-to: freeman@localhost Delivery-date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 10:32:51 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=Deneb.office) by deneb.office with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from listmas...@lists.debian.org) id 1QB9MZ-0003md-3C for freeman@localhost; Sat, 16 Apr 2011 10:32:51 -0700 Delivered-To: hew...@gmail.com Received: from gmail-pop.l.google.com [74.125.155.109] by Deneb.office with POP3 (fetchmail-6.3.18) for freeman@localhost (single-drop); Sat, 16 Apr 2011 10:32:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.113.8 with SMTP id iu8cs129886vdb; Sat, 16 Apr 2011 10:31:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.1.69 with SMTP id 45mr1052491eec.7.1302975110242; Sat, 16 Apr 2011 10:31:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from liszt.debian.org (liszt.debian.org [82.195.75.100]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w51si8939981eeh.96.2011.04.16.10.31.49 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 16 Apr 2011 10:31:50 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: manual fallback record for domain of listmas...@lists.debian.org designates 82.195.75.100 as permitted sender) client-ip=82.195.75.100; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: manual fallback record for domain of listmas...@lists.debian.org designates 82.195.75.100 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=listmas...@lists.debian.org Received: by liszt.debian.org (Postfix, from userid 38) id A8B6F13A5418; Sat, 16 Apr 2011 17:31:49 + (UTC) To: hew...@gmail.com From: majord...@lists.debian.org Sender: listmas...@lists.debian.org Subject: Reply to your HELP request In-Reply-To: 20110416173130.GA10071@Deneb.office References: 20110416173130.GA10071@Deneb.office Precedence: junk Message-Id: 20110416173149.a8b6f13a5...@liszt.debian.org Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 17:31:49 + (UTC) Status: RO Content-Length: 1350 Lines: 50 Hi! I'm your MajorSmart! I'm translating Majordomo-like commands to SmartList-commands. Commands are written in the mail body, not in the subject, you've probably already guessed it. The following commands are available. Text in brackets [] are optional. approve Add anybody to the given list. Only valid for list administrators. approve password subscribe list address approve password unsubscribe list address approve password who list help Send this help text lists Send a comprehensive list of providest mailing list subscribe Add yourself to the given list. subscribe list [your address] unsubscribe Remove yourself from the given list. unsubscribe list [your address] which Return a list of mailing-lists the given address is subscribed to. This command will only be executed if the address queried has some connection to the From: or Reply-To: address. which address who Send back a list of who is subscribed to the given list. This will only be done for people who are subscribed to the list. who list The commands are not case sensitive. If you experience problems, please discuss them with the Debian listmasters listmas...@lists.debian.org. -- Regards, Freeman Microsoft is not the answer. Microsoft is the question. NO (or Linux) is the answer. --Somebody -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org
Re: changing my e-mail address
* 2011-04-16T19:39:50+02:00 * Pierre Frenkiel wrote: how to modify my address without doing unsubscribe/subscribe? It's curious that I got 5 replys, all about the PS, but not a single answer to my question ! I don't think you can. So, just unsubscribe with your old address and subscribe with the new one. Done. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87d3kmt748@mithlond.arda
Re: changing my e-mail address
On Sat, 16 Apr 2011, Freeman wrote: Somewhere between we don't talk to idiots (not really) to you'll figure it out, on the one axis; between I am fighting with my significant other (probably not) to I got as many of the most important tasks and responses done as I could on the other axis; and between try, try, try again (if you think it that important) to it's in the queue, on the third axis. Only 3 dimensions? You forgot some parallel universes? I have always just subscribed my new address, then unsubscribed my old. I don't think there is a change address function. List help reply below: there is one for ubuntu lists, it's why I asked this question === If you want to make the membership changes for all the lists that you are subscribed to at lists.ubuntu.com, turn on the Change globally check box. New address: === -- Pierre Frenkiel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/alpine.deb.2.00.1104162137160@pfr2.frenkiel-hure.net
[ranging OT] Re: changing my e-mail address
On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 09:44:38PM +0200, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: On Sat, 16 Apr 2011, Freeman wrote: Somewhere between we don't talk to idiots (not really) to you'll figure it out, on the one axis; between I am fighting with my significant other (probably not) to I got as many of the most important tasks and responses done as I could on the other axis; and between try, try, try again (if you think it that important) to it's in the queue, on the third axis. Only 3 dimensions? You forgot some parallel universes? Oh, right. Cyberspace, somewhere between I was tweeting to my constituency, to who me? I was minimizing my browser anyway when you walked up! -- Regards, Freeman Microsoft is not the answer. Microsoft is the question. NO (or Linux) is the answer. --Somebody -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110416222915.GA11187@Europa.office
Re: changing my e-mail address
on 19:39 Sat 16 Apr, Pierre Frenkiel (pierre.frenk...@laposte.net) wrote: On Sat, 16 Apr 2011, Lisi wrote: quote To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. /quote Have you tried this? You don't mention it. And did you read my post? The question was not how to unsubcribe?, but how to modify my address without doing unsubscribe/subscribe? It's curious that I got 5 replys, all about the PS, but not a single answer to my question ! The answer to your question is: unsubscribe the old address. Subscribe the new one. Your subscription has no other semantics other than to 1) route mail to the subscribed address and 2) (sometimes) allow you to post to a given list (if it's limited to subscribers only). It's Not That Hard. -- Dr. Ed Morbius, Chief Scientist /| Robot Wrangler / Staff Psychologist| When you seek unlimited power Krell Power Systems Unlimited| Go to Krell! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110416234331.gc11...@altaira.krellpowersys.exo
