Re: Re: login as root to GUI
Hi, On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 12:17:54PM -0400, Dick Bayerl wrote: I am frustrated. I have tried installing both UBUNTU and DEBIAN with the same problem. Debian and Ubuntu are a bit different on this issue. Since login to root using X displaymanager is not so good idea, I mention console tricks. Default Ubuntu system usually has no root password. You use your main user account and sudo with user password to gain root. Default Debian system usually has root password. So from user account use su command with root password to gain root. I do not know how you installed ... I never can login to root so I can't make changes to various files. Not the owner. I am just now installing DEBIAN on a second machine and keeping careful notes about the password to see if that will work. I really like the idea of working with DEBIAN and hope I can get past this issue. You need to read basics. You go: http://www.debian.org/ click documentation and click Debian Reference. I have written extensive basic guide for newbies. Maybe you need to start at GNU/Linux tutorials: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch01.en.html Osamu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110521152834.ga29...@debian.org
Re: login as root to GUI
On Thu, 19 May 2011 12:17:54 -0400 Dick Bayerl rjbay...@ameritech.net wrote: I am frustrated. I have tried installing both UBUNTU and DEBIAN with the same problem. I never can login to root so I can't make changes to various files. Not the owner. I am just now installing DEBIAN on a second machine and keeping careful notes about the password to see if that will work. I really like the idea of working with DEBIAN and hope I can get past this issue. Dick Bayerl So when your Debian installation asks you if you want to allow root to log in you say no? Be well, Charlie -- Registered Linux User:- 329524 *** Most men lead lives of quiet desperation and go to the grave with the song still in them. .Henry David Thoreau *** Debian GNU/Linux - just the best way to create magic - -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110520160406.429db75c@taowild
Re: login as root to GUI
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/20/2011 09:04 AM, Charlie wrote: On Thu, 19 May 2011 12:17:54 -0400 Dick Bayerl rjbay...@ameritech.net wrote: I am frustrated. I have tried installing both UBUNTU and DEBIAN with the same problem. I never can login to root so I can't make changes to various files. Not the owner. I am just now installing DEBIAN on a second machine and keeping careful notes about the password to see if that will work. I really like the idea of working with DEBIAN and hope I can get past this issue. Dick Bayerl So when your Debian installation asks you if you want to allow root to log in you say no? Be well, Charlie It is possible to login as root (I think you have to configure pam and gnome/X) but it is not recommended. Instead it is recommended that you use 'su' and 'sudo'. - -- Best regards, Panayiotis Karabassis -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJN1g+eAAoJEN7RcJcJCZJiTJwIAKgb/6O7n2Dwj5+e69U19+zz u3s3pw746Dne7nTBPeVjDIwSMc+gLvIE04rFQerX9ImjHEDJJ8B3UK54ByPoSxCo hYRK3ylm+m+/ao5KTyeN6P87hPKsSihJVi6nzA2d8Ypdsj8rBBwqf7yC6tYUQEoB buLqloeMQ5dIr9GNZ9ruFMm0FHHeWed9jmx/tsKbf+pPRCwR/gGnMk7jisji6zv7 CbKrxstwj0245FSIYLTggNtkdLfPLdxOcRK2Tf66BPAg4mAFj9ExsMYZduGEIcR+ N8xNQpmWOzqMl56ybqRqqpH3Li0SHzEtqIEd7ZQdNEuhxKPwFjiQw87NnjHf9M0= =4xxg -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4dd60fa1.8080...@gmail.com
Re: login as root to GUI
19/05/2011 18:17, Dick Bayerl wrote: I am frustrated. I have tried installing both UBUNTU and DEBIAN with the same problem. I never can login to root so I can't make changes to various files. Not the owner. I am just now installing DEBIAN on a second machine and keeping careful notes about the password to see if that will work. I really like the idea of working with DEBIAN and hope I can get past this issue. Dick Bayerl Hi, don't login as root in X, instead deactivate temporarily X-session access control, and launch desired gui tool as root: xhost + sudo whatever_gui_tool Or you can use the x su-to-root util from your desktop environment, gksu for Gnome or kdesu for KDE : alt + F2 (keys alt and F2 pressed simultaneously) gksu whatever_gui_tool This way you can launch gedit or nautilus with root privileges. To re-enable X-session control use xhost -. Hope it help alleviate the frustration ;-) . -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4dd62e9a.6070...@googlemail.com
Re: login as root to GUI
On Thu, 19 May 2011 12:17:54 -0400 Dick Bayerl rjbay...@ameritech.net wrote: I am frustrated. I have tried installing both UBUNTU and DEBIAN with the same problem. I never can login to root so I can't make changes to various files. Not the owner. I am just now installing DEBIAN on a second machine and keeping careful notes about the password to see if that will work. I really like the idea of working with DEBIAN and hope I can get past this issue. Dick Bayerl This isn't a problem with Ubuntu or Debian, it's a problem with computers. Even Microsoft strongly discourages logging in anywhere as root these days. You should not be logging into your Windows machines with admin privileges, either. As others have said, you login as an unprivileged user and use whatever tool you need with su or sudo. That doesn't mean it's safe, of course, as while you do these things you have root privileges, but it does reduce the chance of trouble. My preference is to open a console (command line window) and use sudo to start mc. This is a simple but useful file manager with its own text editor, and it will work for all but the most heavyweight file jobs. It also allows typing of arbitrary commands as the mc user i.e. root. I have a server which does not have a GUI, so I use this method there and it seems reasonable to use it also on workstations. -- Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110520102256.5afd7...@jresid.jretrading.com
Re: login as root to GUI
On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 11:04:26AM CEST, tv.deb...@googlemail.com tv.deb...@googlemail.com said: 19/05/2011 18:17, Dick Bayerl wrote: I am frustrated. I have tried installing both UBUNTU and DEBIAN with the same problem. I never can login to root so I can't make changes to various files. Not the owner. I am just now installing DEBIAN on a second machine and keeping careful notes about the password to see if that will work. I really like the idea of working with DEBIAN and hope I can get past this issue. Dick Bayerl Hi, don't login as root in X, instead deactivate temporarily X-session access control, and launch desired gui tool as root: xhost + sudo whatever_gui_tool NOT xhots + !!! If you have to widen, just do xhost +local: First command opens to the whole internet, second one only to connnections from localhost. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110520094912.ga24...@rail.eu.org
Re: login as root to GUI
On Thu, 19 May 2011 12:17:54 -0400, Dick Bayerl wrote: I am frustrated. I have tried installing both UBUNTU and DEBIAN with the same problem. I never can login to root so I can't make changes to various files. What files? If you need to change a configuration file, use your preferred text editor and launch it as root: su - -c mcedit Or a GUI text editor: gksu - gedit Not the owner. I am just now installing DEBIAN on a second machine and keeping careful notes about the password to see if that will work. I really like the idea of working with DEBIAN and hope I can get past this issue. You can login as root within your DE session, but is not the recommended :-) Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.05.20.10.02...@gmail.com
Re: login as root to GUI
20/05/2011 11:49, Erwan David wrote: On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 11:04:26AM CEST, tv.deb...@googlemail.com tv.deb...@googlemail.com said: 19/05/2011 18:17, Dick Bayerl wrote: I am frustrated. I have tried installing both UBUNTU and DEBIAN with the same problem. I never can login to root so I can't make changes to various files. Not the owner. I am just now installing DEBIAN on a second machine and keeping careful notes about the password to see if that will work. I really like the idea of working with DEBIAN and hope I can get past this issue. Dick Bayerl Hi, don't login as root in X, instead deactivate temporarily X-session access control, and launch desired gui tool as root: xhost + sudo whatever_gui_tool NOT xhots + !!! If you have to widen, just do xhost +local: First command opens to the whole internet, second one only to connnections from localhost. Thanks for correcting me, it's good to know it if the firewall allows connections from the outside. Otherwise the security risk seems pretty low, or am I missing something juicy here ? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4dd647fa.5050...@googlemail.com
Re: login as root to GUI
On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 12:52:42PM CEST, tv.deb...@googlemail.com tv.deb...@googlemail.com said: 20/05/2011 11:49, Erwan David wrote: On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 11:04:26AM CEST, tv.deb...@googlemail.com tv.deb...@googlemail.com said: 19/05/2011 18:17, Dick Bayerl wrote: I am frustrated. I have tried installing both UBUNTU and DEBIAN with the same problem. I never can login to root so I can't make changes to various files. Not the owner. I am just now installing DEBIAN on a second machine and keeping careful notes about the password to see if that will work. I really like the idea of working with DEBIAN and hope I can get past this issue. Dick Bayerl Hi, don't login as root in X, instead deactivate temporarily X-session access control, and launch desired gui tool as root: xhost + sudo whatever_gui_tool NOT xhots + !!! If you have to widen, just do xhost +local: First command opens to the whole internet, second one only to connnections from localhost. Thanks for correcting me, it's good to know it if the firewall allows connections from the outside. Otherwise the security risk seems pretty low, or am I missing something juicy here ? Yes it is low, however, it is better to directly get the good habits. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110520121650.gc24...@rail.eu.org
Re: login as root to GUI
On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 12:52:42PM +0200, tv.deb...@googlemail.com wrote: Thanks for correcting me, it's good to know it if the firewall allows connections from the outside. Otherwise the security risk seems pretty low, or am I missing something juicy here ? Well, it depends on the specifics of your firewall: but a firewall is not a substitute for tying down your services and access controls properly. Debian does not have an iptables-based firewall enabled by default. An X client can read and write to your keyboard buffer, clipboard and read your mouse events. Opening your X up to a third party essentially gives them control over your computer. -- Jon Dowland -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110520125906.gb20...@deckard.alcopop.org
Re: login as root to GUI
On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 11:49:12AM +0200, Erwan David wrote: NOT xhots + !!! If you have to widen, just do xhost +local: First command opens to the whole internet, second one only to connnections from localhost. There are better methods than even xhost +local -- if you have a local ssh server and allow root logins, ssh -X root@localhost Or, you can give your root user access to your X authority # xauth merge ~user/.Xauthority (with gdm3 you may need to inspect your XAUTHORITY variable to see where it lives, e.g. /var/run/gdm3/auth-for-user-XX/database) Of course the aformentioned gksu and gksudo try to be as safe as possible. -- Jon Dowland -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110520130311.gc20...@deckard.alcopop.org
Re: login as root to GUI
On Friday 20 May 2011 11:02:08 Camaleón wrote: Or a GUI text editor: gksu - gedit kdesu also works if you are using KDE. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201105202247.15924.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Re: login as root to GUI
I am frustrated. I have tried installing both UBUNTU and DEBIAN with the same problem. I never can login to root so I can't make changes to various files. Not the owner. I am just now installing DEBIAN on a second machine and keeping careful notes about the password to see if that will work. I really like the idea of working with DEBIAN and hope I can get past this issue. Dick Bayerl -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1305821874.2452.2.ca...@lenovo-svr.gateway.2wire.net
Re: login as root to GUI
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 12:49:01PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Technology has evolved. Programs have evolved (well, most of them have). Practices should evolve as well. We don't all need to stay stuck in 1995. There's still a few sites stuck in the 1970s and 1980s. There's many folks who can't afford a system capable of running a whiz-bang fancy MUA. We should not be excluding them from participation because they don't have disposable income or are just frugal. Encouraging the ditching of working hardware just to read email is also a needless environmental nightmare. - -- .''`. Baloo Ursidae [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' :proud Debian admin and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fix a system -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+jV1LJ5vLSqVpK2kRAkVDAJ9mFy6PUfndPSkIoLXUADWYKBaEawCghkna T/XuxA9RHZpiKs/z/bU3Ji0= =nPXY -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: login as root to GUI
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 04:25:59PM -0600, Nathan E Norman wrote: Who said anything about HTTP? I referred you to a thread on d-curiosa where the travesty of HTML email was being discussed; the poster seemed to feel as you do that email technology was somehow lagging behind. It's not cool enough! Let's make it _cooler_. Why drastically a technology from the lowest common denominator when it works so well? Example: Can openers. Electric ones tend to wear out every few years and don't work reliably in emergencies when access to nonperishable food is a critical need (HTML, lines greater than 80 columns, TMDA, etc fall into this catagory for email). Do you think email headers should conform to rfc 2822, MTAs should conform to rfc 2821, or ip datagrams should conform to rfc 791? Heck, rfc 791 is _22_ years old! We'd better get rid of that old, pathetic piece of crap! I wouldn't buy any ethernet equipment that conforms to IEEE 802.3 either as that's at least 7.5 years old. Better throw out ISO-8859 as well. Those all came about in the mid-1980s. Time to ditch ISO-9660 CDROMs as well, after all we've been using the same standard for writing data CDROMs since 1988. - -- .''`. Baloo Ursidae [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' :proud Debian admin and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fix a system -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+jWTKJ5vLSqVpK2kRAgnWAJ0WcyQr0FgVenMN8otjhlclgbwf9ACfbLEL TAaIYJe8oC6N5fb3Shg8iDg= =6adI -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: login as root to GUI
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 05:58:36PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You completely missed the point. Well, now I am. Care to quote for context? http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html - -- .''`. Baloo Ursidae [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' :proud Debian admin and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fix a system -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+jWVJJ5vLSqVpK2kRAiAVAJ41HpKB4ZX9rCKSMKEuanXohesMlQCg2La9 2pQ4xmdKiSdVPq/4AMJrADE= =78EU -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: login as root to GUI
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 01:20:42PM -0800, Brian Nelson wrote: No, you should read RFC 2646. Format=Flowed solves this problem and makes everyone happy, in theory. Not all systems understand the concept. If 2646 ever gets widely implimented, I might agree. - -- .''`. Baloo Ursidae [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' :proud Debian admin and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fix a system -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+jWZWJ5vLSqVpK2kRAhgeAKCb6QCHkZQ1gm9UKuu0HEhwPWU4tQCeJQYd i/bye4kZcP0iHILUgVvj9qM= =c118 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: login as root to GUI
On Wed, 2 Apr 2003 23:31:52 -0800 Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Please turn your line wraps on to something more sensable like 72 columns per line instead of one paragraph per line. This isn't meant to be picking on you. But I've been considering this for a while. People shouldn't wrap lines at all in messages they send -- this is a hoary hold-over from the dark ages. Line wrap is a display function, and it should be handled by the receiver's MUA. People who want big windows with wide paragraphs can have them; people who want narrow windows can have those. And people who still use MUAs that can't do line wrap should consider finding one that can. Kevin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: login as root to GUI
On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 08:18:30AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2 Apr 2003 23:31:52 -0800 Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please turn your line wraps on to something more sensable like 72 columns per line instead of one paragraph per line. This isn't meant to be picking on you. But I've been considering this for a while. People shouldn't wrap lines at all in messages they send -- this is a hoary hold-over from the dark ages. Line wrap is a display function, and it should be handled by the receiver's MUA. People who want big windows with wide paragraphs can have them; people who want narrow windows can have those. And people who still use MUAs that can't do line wrap should consider finding one that can. While your points have some technical validity, they fly in the face of accepted netiquette[1]. In this case, I think most people agree that it is better to conform to conventions so that communication is encouraged, rather than to blaze new trails of coolness and technical sophistry[2][3]. mutt does line wrap, but the default is ugly and hard to read. Many popular and useful MUAs don't do linewrap at all. Furthermore, how does someone effectively _quote_ text which is not linewrapped? Now the local MUA has to be smart enough to precede each unwrapped line with the appropriate number of quote characters. Let's just write email in HTML if we're going to expect the receiver to reformat the entire message[3 again]. This is email, not the World Wide Web. Sorry, but I think you're off on the wrong track here. [1] rfc 1855 [2] sorry for the hyperbole [3] there was a huge thread on d-curiosa where some guy argued that html email was the only way to go since it allowed more expression. He was beaten severely about the head and shoulders. -- Nathan Norman - Incanus Networking mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] prepBut nI vrbLike adjHungarian! qWhat's artThe adjBig nProblem? -- alec flett @netscape -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: login as root to GUI
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 08:18:30AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And people who still use MUAs that can't do line wrap should consider finding one that can. And there's still old VT100 terminals feeping away in many libraries. Personally, I don't see anything wrong with 80 columns. Standardization is a good thing. - -- .''`. Baloo Ursidae [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' :proud Debian admin and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fix a system -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+jFocJ5vLSqVpK2kRAtHvAKDca/mFGldN/eWfR1QvbBvz/SucGgCgjXE6 1mgIFGeaLkHWl18/mAZkYQc= =XRor -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: login as root to GUI
On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 08:18:30AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This isn't meant to be picking on you. But I've been considering this for a while. People shouldn't wrap lines at all in messages they send -- this is a hoary hold-over from the dark ages. while you are using debian mailing lists, you shall comply with the list rules: [from debian.org/Mailinglists] Code of conduct When using the Debian mailing lists, please follow these rules: Do not send spam; see the advertising policy below. *Send all of your e-mails in English. Only use other languages on mailing lists where that is explicitely allowed (e.g. French on debian-user-french). *Make sure that you are using the proper list. In particular, don't send user-related questions to developer-related mailing lists. *Wrap your lines at 80 characters or less for ordinary discussion. Lines longer than 80 characters are acceptable for computer-generated output (e.g., ls -l). *Do not send automated out-of-office or vacation messages. *Do not send subscription or unsubscription requests to the list address itself; use the respective -request address instead. *Never send your messages in HTML; use plain text instead. *Avoid sending large attachments. *When replying to messages on the mailing list, do not send a carbon copy (CC) to the original poster unless they explicitly request to be copied. *If you send messages to lists to which you are not subscribed, always note that fact in the body of your message. *Do not use foul language; besides, some people receive the lists via packet radio, where swearing is illegal. *Try not to flame; it is not polite. hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: login as root to GUI
On Thu, 3 Apr 2003 08:47:54 -0600 Nathan E Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mutt does line wrap, but the default is ugly and hard to read. Many popular and useful MUAs don't do linewrap at all. Furthermore, how does someone effectively _quote_ text which is not linewrapped? Now the local MUA has to be smart enough to precede each unwrapped line with the appropriate number of quote characters. Let's just write email in HTML if we're going to expect the receiver to reformat the entire message[3 again]. This is email, not the World Wide Web. Sorry, but I think you're off on the wrong track here. [1] rfc 1855 [2] sorry for the hyperbole [3] there was a huge thread on d-curiosa where some guy argued that html email was the only way to go since it allowed more expression. He was beaten severely about the head and shoulders. Ah yes, rfc 1855. Dated October 1995. A mere 7 1/2 years ago. From the RFC: This memo does not specify an Internet standard of any kind. You make my point about adherence to outdated standards. I didn't say anything about using http. That's not something I proposed; it's a bit of that sophistry you decried. Technology has evolved. Programs have evolved (well, most of them have). Practices should evolve as well. We don't all need to stay stuck in 1995. Kevin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: login as root to GUI
Hugh Saunders [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 08:18:30AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This isn't meant to be picking on you. But I've been considering this for a while. People shouldn't wrap lines at all in messages they send -- this is a hoary hold-over from the dark ages. while you are using debian mailing lists, you shall comply with the list rules: [from debian.org/Mailinglists] Typo: your URL should read http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/ -- Benjamin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: login as root to GUI
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, 2 Apr 2003 23:31:52 -0800 Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Please turn your line wraps on to something more sensable like 72 columns per line instead of one paragraph per line. This isn't meant to be picking on you. But I've been considering this for a while. People shouldn't wrap lines at all in messages they send -- this is a hoary hold-over from the dark ages. Line wrap is a display function, and it should be handled by the receiver's MUA. People who want big windows with wide paragraphs can have them; people who want narrow windows can have those. And people who still use MUAs that can't do line wrap should consider finding one that can. No, you should read RFC 2646. Format=Flowed solves this problem and makes everyone happy, in theory. -- I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: login as root to GUI
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2 Apr 2003 23:31:52 -0800 Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Please turn your line wraps on to something more sensable like 72 columns per line instead of one paragraph per line. This isn't meant to be picking on you. But I've been considering this for a while. People shouldn't wrap lines at all in messages they send -- this is a hoary hold-over from the dark ages. Line wrap is a display function, and it should be handled by the receiver's MUA. People who want big windows with wide paragraphs can have them; people who want narrow windows can have those. And people who still use MUAs that can't do line wrap should consider finding one that can. Kevin Then again modern GUI MUA's can automajically unwrap line wrapped messages[though it does need cooperation from the sender ala this message]... So it makes more sense to cater to legacy MUAs. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 12:49:01PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 3 Apr 2003 08:47:54 -0600 Nathan E Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mutt does line wrap, but the default is ugly and hard to read. Many popular and useful MUAs don't do linewrap at all. Furthermore, how does someone effectively _quote_ text which is not linewrapped? Now the local MUA has to be smart enough to precede each unwrapped line with the appropriate number of quote characters. Let's just write email in HTML if we're going to expect the receiver to reformat the entire message[3 again]. This is email, not the World Wide Web. Sorry, but I think you're off on the wrong track here. [1] rfc 1855 [2] sorry for the hyperbole [3] there was a huge thread on d-curiosa where some guy argued that html email was the only way to go since it allowed more expression. He was beaten severely about the head and shoulders. Ah yes, rfc 1855. Dated October 1995. A mere 7 1/2 years ago. From the RFC: This memo does not specify an Internet standard of any kind. You make my point about adherence to outdated standards. You're the one calling it outdated. Many members of this list prefer to follow the guidelines within that document. I didn't say anything about using http. That's not something I proposed; it's a bit of that sophistry you decried. Who said anything about HTTP? I referred you to a thread on d-curiosa where the travesty of HTML email was being discussed; the poster seemed to feel as you do that email technology was somehow lagging behind. It's not cool enough! Let's make it _cooler_. Technology has evolved. Programs have evolved (well, most of them have). Practices should evolve as well. We don't all need to stay stuck in 1995. We're not stuck anywhere. New protocols and communications media are introduced frequently. However, we're not talking about new media, we're talking about an established communications stream which has well-known and expected standards. Do you think email headers should conform to rfc 2822, MTAs should conform to rfc 2821, or ip datagrams should conform to rfc 791? Heck, rfc 791 is _22_ years old! We'd better get rid of that old, pathetic piece of crap! I wouldn't buy any ethernet equipment that conforms to IEEE 802.3 either as that's at least 7.5 years old. Get a clue. Standards are, well, standards. If you want cool flowing text, write a web page or distribute XML documents. I noticed you had no response to the quoting problem. -- Nathan Norman - Incanus Networking mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws. -- Plato -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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You completely missed the point. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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What login manager's do you use? In GDM (Gnome Desktop Manager) you should to set this option before you can login as root: ( /etc/gdm/gdm.conf ) AllowRoot=true and next type /etc/init.d/gdm restart Then you should be able to login as root in gdm. Regards. El jue, 03 de 04 de 2003 a las 02:19, Yaron escribió: Hi, Since I rebooted my machine in the 1st time I can't login as root through the gui login screen. I get error msg system administrator can't login from this screen If I login as 'normal' user it's ok, and than I can use su and switch to root, but no matter what I tried, I can't login to the machine as root. (tried to delete all other users and leave only root account - couldn't login AT ALL had to re-install...not funny at all) Each time after I reboot it opens the GUI login screen, so it's not like I can login without X and than use startX... H E L P ! 10x, Yaron. -- * You're currently going through a difficult transition period called Life. * .''`. : :' : `. `'Proudly running Debian GNU/Linux Sid (Kernel 2.4.18) on Ext3 `- http://acm.escet.urjc.es/~agutierr [EMAIL PROTECTED] // [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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It happens both with kde 3 and gnome 1.4 - Original Message - From: Antonio Gutiérrez Mayoral [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Yaron [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 1:47 AM Subject: Re: login as root to GUI -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hello: Being a newbie I had the same problem that you had I couldnt log onto X with the root account. This is actually meant to be that way. The reason being is that if you want to do any system administration you should log in with a regular account and use the SU command as you mentioned below that you had done that. When you find yourself at the Windows X log on screen and only have the root account created, you can switch to the command line by using ALT-F7 I think, if that is not the right command then read the man pages and it should be there. Once in the command line, you are allowed to log in as root (Although still not recommended) and you can create a user account. I hope that helps! - Original Message - From: Yaron [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, April 2, 2003 5:19 pm Subject: login as root to GUI Hi, Since I rebooted my machine in the 1st time I can't login as root through the gui login screen. I get error msg system administrator can't login from this screen If I login as 'normal' user it's ok, and than I can use su and switch to root, but no matter what I tried, I can't login to the machine as root. (tried to delete all other users and leave only root account - couldn't login AT ALL had to re-install...not funny at all) Each time after I reboot it opens the GUI login screen, so it's not like I can login without X and than use startX... H E L P ! 10x, Yaron. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Yes, you are right, I did that, but su isn't like loginning with root, even when i'm checking with 'w' i get 'user' eventhough 'whoami' replays with 'root' and many options i'm trying to use keeps asking me for the root password...that's why i'm trying to 1st login as root... - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Yaron [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 1:50 AM Subject: Re: login as root to GUI Hello: Being a newbie I had the same problem that you had I couldnt log onto X with the root account. This is actually meant to be that way. The reason being is that if you want to do any system administration you should log in with a regular account and use the SU command as you mentioned below that you had done that. When you find yourself at the Windows X log on screen and only have the root account created, you can switch to the command line by using ALT-F7 I think, if that is not the right command then read the man pages and it should be there. Once in the command line, you are allowed to log in as root (Although still not recommended) and you can create a user account. I hope that helps! - Original Message - From: Yaron [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, April 2, 2003 5:19 pm Subject: login as root to GUI Hi, Since I rebooted my machine in the 1st time I can't login as root through the gui login screen. I get error msg system administrator can't login from this screen If I login as 'normal' user it's ok, and than I can use su and switch to root, but no matter what I tried, I can't login to the machine as root. (tried to delete all other users and leave only root account - couldn't login AT ALL had to re-install...not funny at all) Each time after I reboot it opens the GUI login screen, so it's not like I can login without X and than use startX... H E L P ! 10x, Yaron. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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gdm - Original Message - From: Antonio Gutiérrez Mayoral [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Yaron [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 2:00 AM Subject: Re: login as root to GUI -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ok, but what is your login manager? Gnome Login Manager (gdm), Gnome Login Manager (kdm)... ? It depends on the login manager you're using. Regards. El jue, 03 de 04 de 2003 a las 02:50, Yaron escribió: It happens both with kde 3 and gnome 1.4 - Original Message - From: Antonio Gutiérrez Mayoral [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Yaron [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 1:47 AM Subject: Re: login as root to GUI -- * You're currently going through a difficult transition period called Life. * .''`. : :' : `. `'Proudly running Debian GNU/Linux Sid (Kernel 2.4.18) on Ext3 `- http://acm.escet.urjc.es/~agutierr [EMAIL PROTECTED] // [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 02:19:02AM +0200, Yaron wrote: Since I rebooted my machine in the 1st time I can't login as root through the gui login screen. I get error msg system administrator can't login from this screen i use xdm as my gui login screen and havent seen this message before. which display manager are you using? have you read its config files/scripts? If I login as 'normal' user it's ok, and than I can use su and switch to root, but no matter what I tried, I can't login to the machine as root. (tried to delete all other users and leave only root account - couldn't login AT ALL had to re-install...not funny at all) im sure re-install was not necessary -even if you cant login as root you can pass init=/bin/sh as a kernel parameter then you get a shell without having to login. Each time after I reboot it opens the GUI login screen, so it's not like I can login without X and than use startX... CtrlaltFn where n is a vt [virtual terminal] number usually 7 that should allow you to login without X. H E L P ! yep, you need it ;) mind you, dont we all. hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Thanks a lot, it worked ! Now I can go to sleep (3:15 a.m here) Yaron. - Original Message - From: Antonio Gutiérrez Mayoral [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Yaron [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 2:10 AM Subject: Re: login as root to GUI -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ok, then you have to modify the file /etc/gdm/gdm.conf and enable the option AllowRoot=true Next, restart gdm with the command '/etc/init.d/gdm restart'. Regards El jue, 03 de 04 de 2003 a las 03:04, Yaron escribió: gdm - Original Message - From: Antonio Gutiérrez Mayoral [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Yaron [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 2:00 AM Subject: Re: login as root to GUI -- * You're currently going through a difficult transition period called Life. * .''`. : :' : `. `'Proudly running Debian GNU/Linux Sid (Kernel 2.4.18) on Ext3 `- http://acm.escet.urjc.es/~agutierr [EMAIL PROTECTED] // [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 02:19:02AM +0200, Yaron wrote: Since I rebooted my machine in the 1st time I can't login as root through the gui login screen. Don't do that. Running X as root - or, indeed, running more as root than you have to in general - is bad security practice. You should run as an ordinary user instead and use sudo or similar to become root when you need to. (There are probably ways to let you log into X as root, but I would strongly advise against using them.) If I login as 'normal' user it's ok, and than I can use su and switch to root, but no matter what I tried, I can't login to the machine as root. (tried to delete all other users and leave only root account - couldn't login AT ALL had to re-install...not funny at all) You could have used Alt-F1 to switch to a virtual console and logged in there. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Now I can go too (02:21 In Spain) Regards! El jue, 03 de 04 de 2003 a las 03:14, Yaron escribió: Thanks a lot, it worked ! Now I can go to sleep (3:15 a.m here) Yaron. - Original Message - From: Antonio Gutiérrez Mayoral [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Yaron [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 2:10 AM Subject: Re: login as root to GUI -- * You're currently going through a difficult transition period called Life. * .''`. : :' : `. `'Proudly running Debian GNU/Linux Sid (Kernel 2.4.18) on Ext3 `- http://acm.escet.urjc.es/~agutierr [EMAIL PROTECTED] // [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 04:50:59PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [something that wasnt wrapped @~80cols] Being a newbie I had the same problem that you had I couldnt log onto X with the root account. This is actually meant to be that way. The reason being is that if you want to do any system administration you should log in with a regular account and use the SU command as you mentioned below that you had done that. When you find yourself at the Windows X log on screen and only have the root account created, you can switch to the command line by using ALT-F7 I think, if that is not the right command then read the man pages and it should be there. erm... nearly! alt-F7 will switch you back to X from command line as X by default runs on virtual terminal 7. [you can change/check this in /etc/inittab] Once in the command line, you are allowed to log in as root (Although still not recommended) and you can create a user account. I hope that helps! root is recomended for admin tasks -thats what its there for, its only not recomended for 'normal' stuff ie reading mail,irc,coding or whatever you getup to. where you are allowed to login as root from is configureable. For example to allow|disallow root login from ssh, look at /etc/ssh/sshd_config for X, read the the config files for you display manager. linux has defaults but they arent hard set as in certain other operating systems. hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 01:23:02AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 02:19:02AM +0200, Yaron wrote: If I login as 'normal' user it's ok, and than I can use su and switch to root, but no matter what I tried, I can't login to the machine as root. (tried to delete all other users and leave only root account - couldn't login AT ALL had to re-install...not funny at all) You could have used Alt-F1 to switch to a virtual console and logged in there. Oops, make that Ctrl-Alt-F1 when you're in the windowed environment. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, 2003-04-02 at 17:19, Yaron wrote: Hi, Since I rebooted my machine in the 1st time I can't login as root through the gui login screen. I get error msg system administrator can't login from this screen If I login as 'normal' user it's ok, and than I can use su and switch to root, but no matter what I tried, I can't login to the machine as root. (tried to delete all other users and leave only root account - couldn't login AT ALL had to re-install...not funny at all) Each time after I reboot it opens the GUI login screen, so it's not like I can login without X and than use startX... Try this: log in to the GUI as a mortal, pull up a terminal, su to root, and disable the wbm script in /etc/init.d and the runlevel directories. Betcha you installed the desktop environment with tasksel. That's what I did to get where you are. I think that tasksel installs, along with Gnome and KDE and X, a startup file that (effectively) substitutes an X login for the text login. And the X login, as a security measure, won't accept a root login. There may be a config file to fix this, but I bet you have to be root to edit it... That's what happened to me, anyway, I'm pretty sure. I do know for sure that killing, deleting, and scribbling all over wbm got me back to the text login. -- Glenn English [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, 2003-04-02 at 18:04, Yaron wrote: gdm Oh, yeah. That's right. There are 3 of them, I think. Mine was wbm. gdm and kdm are (at least some of) the others. -- Glenn English [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Please turn your line wraps on to something more sensable like 72 columns per line instead of one paragraph per line. On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 04:50:59PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Being a newbie I had the same problem that you had I couldnt log onto X with the root account. This is actually meant to be that way. The reason being is that if you want to do any system administration you should log in with a regular account and use the SU command as you mentioned below that you had done that. su -m, actually, since this will preserve your Xauthority and $DISPLAY and let root-running programs connect to your display. When you find yourself at the Windows X log on screen and only have the root account created, you can switch to the command line by using ALT-F7 I think, Ctrl-LeftAlt-F1 through F6. LeftAlt-F7 takes you back to [kxg]dm. if that is not the right command then read the man pages and it should be there. Once in the command line, you are allowed to log in as root (Although still not recommended) and you can create a user account. I hope that helps! Well, if the only user existing is root, then you have to log in as root to create a new user. You're right, though, it's best to avoid logging in as root except in emergency situations. - -- .''`. Baloo Ursidae [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' :proud Debian admin and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fix a system -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+i+NoJ5vLSqVpK2kRAtk5AKCqQ7SoHBRmUiwe/1dn4paO/zzqIACcDysq ciZPzM1LT7hCAipbMyCeLRk= =blXM -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 01:47:05AM +0200, Antonio Guti?rrez Mayoral wrote: In GDM (Gnome Desktop Manager) you should to set this option before you can login as root: ( /etc/gdm/gdm.conf ) AllowRoot=true and next type /etc/init.d/gdm restart Then you should be able to login as root in gdm. Note that this is *not* the preferred method for doing this, as it encourages the windowsish tendancy of always logging in as root, which is both not necissary and potentially extremely harmful. - -- .''`. Baloo Ursidae [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' :proud Debian admin and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fix a system -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+i+RVJ5vLSqVpK2kRAkzjAJ9BHKEHWYxBpTXPJZ7S/XDFIEewjwCeJdXt 4VnDZhcWLsVmE1MrlOge11M= =FWlN -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 02:19:02AM +0200, Yaron wrote: Since I rebooted my machine in the 1st time I can't login as root through the gui login screen. That's right. Log in as your normal user, open up your terminal of choice and type su -m at the prompt. It'll ask for your root password. Once you've done that, type the command name for the program you need to run as root. Hit ctrl-d or type exit or logout to end that root session when you don't need the privlege anymore. I say need because you shouldn't ever want to run something as root, it's a last resort. - -- .''`. Baloo Ursidae [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' :proud Debian admin and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fix a system -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+i+QXJ5vLSqVpK2kRAtlxAKCMhsmkquL+0cVQIdfulbZE1RjpVwCeOaGY NYzWoWRY02WBbe+bV9DG1AU= =TSI+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
