Re: suggestions for inter-OS file sharing?
On Sat, Nov 27, 1999 at 01:25:51PM -0800, Eric G . Miller wrote: Perhaps I was mistaken. It's been some time now since I've used NT at home. Maybe it was fat16/vfat. Either way, I recall not having it loaded on NTFS and booting the NTLoader from LILO. If I had a spare partition, I'd double check... I vaguely recall it warning me about not using NTFS, but I never had a problem booting. Can't Win95 read/write fat16? The story is simple: FAT16 is the original DOS file system. (More or less.) VFAT is FAT16 with long filename extensions. Microsoft don't make any distinctions here; the term VFAT is a linuxism. FAT32 is new with Windows 95 OSR2 and Windows 98. NT does not support it. NTFS is supported only in NT (and linux). 95/98 cannot access it. The only common file system is FAT16, but it only supports 2Gb partitions and wastes space shockingly on small files. (I wasted over 100Mb on 300k of small files earlier today, on a 2Gb FAT16 partition). Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3SB. CCs of replies on mailing lists are welcome.
Re: suggestions for inter-OS file sharing?
NT can live on a VFAT(FAT32) partition just fine. I had stock NT4.0 running on that a while back, until I deleted it cause it was just taking up space. Linux could read/write to it. NT loses some of it's security qualities on VFAT, but if it's a home sys... -- ++ | Eric G. Milleregm2@jps.net | | GnuPG public key: http://www.jps.net/egm2/gpg.asc | ++
Re: suggestions for inter-OS file sharing?
On Sat, 27 Nov 1999, Hamish Moffatt wrote: hamish hamish There are tools to let NT read and write FAT32, but they cost money. hamish That's one possible solution. fat32 readonly support for NT is free i believe..and readonly support for NTFS in win9x is free too i think(but unstable) hamish There are tools to let Windows read ext2fs, but they're read-only it seems. hamish There are tools to let 95 read/write NTFS, but they cost more money hamish than the other way around, and Linux doesn't have (non-experimental) hamish write support yet. hamish hamish Any other suggestions? what i used to do was have 1 partition that was fat16 that was used mainly for transferring stuff between incompadible OSs. there is 1 or 2 read/write utils for win9x for EXT2 but they are experimental, and i would stick to the read only stuff. i think for NT at least you may be better off deleting it and installing it in a VMware virtual machine, win9x on the other hand is more for games..and if your much of a gamer it may be harder to get rid of. but of coruse vmware isnt free..its well worth it though it runs fast and is stable and easy to use. you could always build a second linux box and run a SAMBA/NFS server on it :) nate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]-- Vice President Network Operations http://www.firetrail.com/ Firetrail Internet Services Limited http://www.aphroland.org/ Everett, WA 425-348-7336http://www.linuxpowered.net/ Powered By:http://comedy.aphroland.org/ Debian 2.1 Linux 2.0.36 SMPhttp://yahoo.aphroland.org/ -[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]-- 12:17am up 99 days, 11:55, 1 user, load average: 1.98, 1.63, 1.57
Re: suggestions for inter-OS file sharing?
you sure it can live on a fat32 drive? even the fat32 drivers for NT clearly say to NOT run NT on a fat32 drive as it does not support booting off of fat32. fat16 and hpfs and ntfs i thought were the only supported file systems in NT4 (hpfs is undocumented i think) all VFAT is is the ability to support long file names and the like right? we had vfat long before fat32..(correct me if im wrong ..) nate On Fri, 26 Nov 1999, Eric G . Miller wrote: egm2 NT can live on a VFAT(FAT32) partition just fine. I had stock NT4.0 egm2 running on that a while back, until I deleted it cause it was just egm2 taking up space. Linux could read/write to it. NT loses some of it's egm2 security qualities on VFAT, but if it's a home sys... egm2 -- egm2 ++ egm2 | Eric G. Milleregm2@jps.net | egm2 | GnuPG public key: http://www.jps.net/egm2/gpg.asc | egm2 ++ egm2 egm2 egm2 -- egm2 Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null egm2 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]-- Vice President Network Operations http://www.firetrail.com/ Firetrail Internet Services Limited http://www.aphroland.org/ Everett, WA 425-348-7336http://www.linuxpowered.net/ Powered By:http://comedy.aphroland.org/ Debian 2.1 Linux 2.0.36 SMPhttp://yahoo.aphroland.org/ -[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]-- 12:17am up 99 days, 11:55, 1 user, load average: 1.98, 1.63, 1.57
Re: suggestions for inter-OS file sharing?
On Fri, Nov 26, 1999 at 10:35:09PM -0800, Eric G . Miller wrote: NT can live on a VFAT(FAT32) partition just fine. I had stock NT4.0 running on that a while back, until I deleted it cause it was just taking up space. Linux could read/write to it. NT loses some of it's security qualities on VFAT, but if it's a home sys... VFAT is not FAT32. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3SB. CCs of replies on mailing lists are welcome.
Re: suggestions for inter-OS file sharing?
On Sat, Nov 27, 1999 at 12:30:42AM -0800, aphro wrote: all VFAT is is the ability to support long file names and the like right? we had vfat long before fat32..(correct me if im wrong ..) On Fri, 26 Nov 1999, Eric G . Miller wrote: egm2 NT can live on a VFAT(FAT32) partition just fine. I had stock NT4.0 ^^^ Eric has assumed these are the same. Quite obviously they're not. NT works fine with VFAT (which is a linux term for it and not an MS term anyway) but not with FAT32. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3SB. CCs of replies on mailing lists are welcome.
Re: suggestions for inter-OS file sharing?
On Sat, Nov 27, 1999 at 12:28:27AM -0800, aphro wrote: fat32 readonly support for NT is free i believe..and readonly support for NTFS in win9x is free too i think(but unstable) Read only is not really acceptable. I survive with read-only NTFS on linux, but all my other file systems are read-write. what i used to do was have 1 partition that was fat16 that was used mainly for transferring stuff between incompadible OSs. there is 1 or 2 That's a possibility, but I don't like it much either. read/write utils for win9x for EXT2 but they are experimental, and i would stick to the read only stuff. i think for NT at least you may be better off deleting it and installing it in a VMware virtual machine, win9x on the other hand is more for games..and if your much of a gamer it may be harder to get rid of. but of coruse vmware isnt free..its well worth it though it runs fast and is stable and easy to use. Fast would not have been the adjective I'd use for VMWARE. It took over 80 minutes to install Windows 98 from CD-ROM in a virtual machine. Hardly speedy when it could be installed in under 30 natively. I'll just have to convince myself I don't need NT. Using a separate server is a possibility, but some of the stuff I am doing is video-related and I don't think disk access will be fast enough. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3SB. CCs of replies on mailing lists are welcome.
Re: suggestions for inter-OS file sharing?
Perhaps I was mistaken. It's been some time now since I've used NT at home. Maybe it was fat16/vfat. Either way, I recall not having it loaded on NTFS and booting the NTLoader from LILO. If I had a spare partition, I'd double check... I vaguely recall it warning me about not using NTFS, but I never had a problem booting. Can't Win95 read/write fat16? -- ++ | Eric G. Milleregm2@jps.net | | GnuPG public key: http://www.jps.net/egm2/gpg.asc | ++
