Re: test, Was: mplayer won't play m4a

[Rodolfo Medina]

"Thomas Schmitt"  writes:

> Hi,
>
> Curt wrote:
>> I guess I wasn't precise enough. news.gmane.org is the news server.
>> gmane.linux.debian.user is this newsgroup. I am here.
>
> So what you post to gmane.linux.debian.user ends up on debian-user
> mailing list too ?

Of course, that's the way  I post to the list.

> (I can distinguish a typical server name from a typical group name, btw.)
>
> [...]
>
> Rodolfo could make an attempt without the weighty attachment.
> Maybe all the rest is just a red herring.

I'm doing so now.

> Is there a limit for attachments published for gmane.linux.debian.user ?

The problem might be just that...!  I'll test it now.


Rodolfo

Re: test, Was: mplayer won't play m4a

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

Curt wrote:
> I guess I wasn't precise enough. news.gmane.org is the news server.
> gmane.linux.debian.user is this newsgroup. I am here.

So what you post to gmane.linux.debian.user ends up on debian-user
mailing list too ?
(I can distinguish a typical server name from a typical group name, btw.)

I asked about gmane.linux.debian.user because it is mentioned in Rodolfo's
copy of the perceived mail headers, and because on a local USENET server
it looks like a fragmentary copy of group linux.debian.user


> Can't find that specific message id, in fact,

Rodolfo could make an attempt without the weighty attachment.
Maybe all the rest is just a red herring.

Is there a limit for attachments published for gmane.linux.debian.user ?


> (clumsy in informatics as I am)

In the locally available gmane.linux.debian.user i see an article:

  Path: ...!news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail
  From: Curt 
  Newsgroups: gmane.linux.debian.user
  Subject: Re: USB hard drives -- recommendations?
  Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2019 10:34:55 - (UTC)
  Organization: Unorganized
  Approved: n...@gmane.org
  Message-ID: 

So that's indeed what a NNTP client and Gmane's news server write into
the message headers. But Curt's mails on debian-user appear without the
newsgroup specific headers (but with some Gmane specific headers).


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: test, Was: mplayer won't play m4a

[Rodolfo Medina]

"Thomas Schmitt"  writes:

> Curt wrote:
>> I post to the group via news.gmane.org with a NNTP client.
>
> Can you see gmane.linux.debian.user there ?
>
> If yes: Are there recent messages from Rodolfo Medina ?
> E.g. this one:
>
>   From: Rodolfo Medina 
>   Subject: Re: mplayer won't play m4a
>   Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2019 13:15:24 +
>   Message-ID: <87r24yx2j7.fsf@lenovo>
>
> (It might have suffered silent rejection due to its 1 MB attachment.)

I can see all my recent messages through gmane.news server in linux.debian.user
group...

Rodolfo

Re: test, Was: mplayer won't play m4a

[Curt]

On 2019-09-03, Thomas Schmitt  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Curt wrote:
>> I post to the group via news.gmane.org with a NNTP client.
>
> Can you see gmane.linux.debian.user there ?

I guess I wasn't precise enough. news.gmane.org is the news server.
gmane.linux.debian.user is this newsgroup. I am here.

> If yes: Are there recent messages from Rodolfo Medina ?
> E.g. this one:

Yes, there are recent messages from that old troublemaker, Rodolfo
Medina.

;-)

>   From: Rodolfo Medina 
>   Subject: Re: mplayer won't play m4a
>   Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2019 13:15:24 +
>   Message-ID: <87r24yx2j7.fsf@lenovo>
>
> (It might have suffered silent rejection due to its 1 MB attachment.)

Can't find that specific message id, in fact, but as I have developed no
systematic way of looking for it (clumsy in informatics as I am) I may
have missed it.

>
> Have a nice day :)
>
> Thomas
>
>


-- 
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― Oscar Wilde, Lady Windermere's Fan

Re: test, Was: mplayer won't play m4a

[The Wanderer]

On 2019-09-03 at 07:28, The Wanderer wrote:

> On 2019-09-03 at 07:15, Thomas Schmitt wrote:

>> Regrettably the newsgroup archive version is still not reachable for me
>>   http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.user/558396
>> It would really be interesting to see whether Rodolfo's failed attempts
>> pile up as follow-ups to that message.
> 
> I got a timeout-error page when trying to load that URL. I wonder
> whether there's something wrong with Gmane's systems at the moment, or
> even whether that's somehow an invalid URL?

The exact error I get is a 522 page from Cloudflare, reporting that "the
initial connection between Cloudflare's network and the origin web
server timed out".

The reason I bother to come back to mention this is that I just now got
a very similar error page from an attempt to connect to nintendolife.com
on my smartphone, after a page from that site came up in my Google news
feed (showing as having been posted three hours ago).

This could be a coincidence, but it may also be the case that there are
broader outages going on at the moment.

-- 
   The Wanderer

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw



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Re: test, Was: mplayer won't play m4a

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

Curt wrote:
> I post to the group via news.gmane.org with a NNTP client.

Can you see gmane.linux.debian.user there ?

If yes: Are there recent messages from Rodolfo Medina ?
E.g. this one:

  From: Rodolfo Medina 
  Subject: Re: mplayer won't play m4a
  Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2019 13:15:24 +
  Message-ID: <87r24yx2j7.fsf@lenovo>

(It might have suffered silent rejection due to its 1 MB attachment.)


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: test, Was: mplayer won't play m4a

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

i wrote:
> > Due to no interest in the original topic, i only have the file '90'
> > but not a direct mailing list copy of the mail.

The Wanderer wrote:
> If you'd like, I could send one as an attachment, much as Rodolfo did

Not needed. Your report about lack of newsgroup headers matches what i
see from Andrei's mails about topics in which i had more interest than
in audio playback.
The problem is not in the original mail by Andrei but in the way how
Rodolfo's Gnus+Emacs perceived it.


> I wonder
> whether there's something wrong with Gmane's systems at the moment

Googling shows rumors from 2016 that their web service was going down.
But
  http://home.gmane.org/
looks like a revival attempt from that time. Wikipedia says it did not work
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gmane
German wikipedia states
  "Seit Ende März 2019 war die Website von Gmane nicht erreichbar."
 = Since end of march 2019 the website of Gmane was not reachable.
A typical case of Your Mileage May Vary.

There remains the riddle how it can sabotage Rodolfo's Gnus+Emacs and
how it still can leave fingerprints on Curt's mails.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: test, Was: mplayer won't play m4a

[Curt]

On 2019-09-03, Thomas Schmitt  wrote:
>
> ---
> And a curious question towards Curt :

> Your mails have the same
>   Old-Return-Path: 
> as in the message copy which Rodolfo gave me as the one to which he tries
> to reply and fails.
> There are more signs that gmane touches your messages before they show up
> in my mailbox. (X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/)
>
> If it is not an intrusion into your privacy: Do you have an explanation
> for the involvement of gmane in your mail transport ?

I post to the group via news.gmane.org with a NNTP client.


> ---
>
> Have a nice day :)
>
> Thomas
>
>


-- 
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― Oscar Wilde, Lady Windermere's Fan

Re: test, Was: mplayer won't play m4a

[The Wanderer]

On 2019-09-03 at 07:15, Thomas Schmitt wrote:

> Hi,
> 
>> I actually have two copies of that message: the one originally
>> received by me, and the one later provided by Rodolfo as an
>> attachment (with the filename '90'), which latter is the one he's
>> been trying to reply to.
> 
> Due to no interest in the original topic, i only have the file '90' 
> but not a direct mailing list copy of the mail.

If you'd like, I could send one as an attachment, much as Rodolfo did
(though probably by different mechanisms).

>> The one I received through the mailing list does not contain the
>> string 'gmane', at all.
> 
> So it is clear that these newsgroup and gmane headers stem from the 
> perception of Andrei's mail by Rodolfo's Gnus+Emacs mail client. (I
> still bet that this perception somehow comes from the way how the
> message reached Rodolfo.)

I tend to concur.

> Regrettably the newsgroup archive version is still not reachable for me
>   http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.user/558396
> It would really be interesting to see whether Rodolfo's failed attempts
> pile up as follow-ups to that message.

I got a timeout-error page when trying to load that URL. I wonder
whether there's something wrong with Gmane's systems at the moment, or
even whether that's somehow an invalid URL?

-- 
   The Wanderer

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw



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Re: test, Was: mplayer won't play m4a

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

> I actually have two copies of that message: the one originally received
> by me, and the one later provided by Rodolfo as an attachment (with the
> filename '90'), which latter is the one he's been trying to reply to.

Due to no interest in the original topic, i only have the file '90'
but not a direct mailing list copy of the mail.


> The one I received through the mailing list does not contain the string
> 'gmane', at all.

So it is clear that these newsgroup and gmane headers stem from the
perception of Andrei's mail by Rodolfo's Gnus+Emacs mail client.
(I still bet that this perception somehow comes from the way how
 the message reached Rodolfo.)

Regrettably the newsgroup archive version is still not reachable for me
  http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.user/558396
It would really be interesting to see whether Rodolfo's failed attempts
pile up as follow-ups to that message.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: test, Was: mplayer won't play m4a

[The Wanderer]

On 2019-09-03 at 05:40, Thomas Schmitt wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> a more elaborate theory:
> 
>   https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/GnusTutorial
> shows that Gnus+Emacs works on e-mail and newsgroups alike.
> 
> If Rodolfo's Gnus got Andrei's message from a newsgroup rather than via
> mail, then it might have directed the reply to that newsgroup.
> I got the Cc: via mail, because Gnus merrily mixes both communications
> channels. (It's easy. Formats and transport protocols are very similar.)
> 
> I think the theory is dead that Andrei POPESCU's mails themselves are
> the trigger. Those which i have in my mailbox show no USENET headers.
> 
> ---
> So a request to The Wanderer:
> 
> You wrote that you have a copy of
>   https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2019/08/msg01294.html
>   Subject: Re: mplayer won't play m4a
>   From: Andrei POPESCU 
>   Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2019 22:05:05 +0300
>   Message-id: <20190826190505.zldub4tzker6am7d@localhost>
> 
> Please check by looking at the full header display or into the mailbox file
> whether this message's header collection has
>   Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail
>   Newsgroups: gmane.linux.debian.user
> or any other occurence of "gmane".

I actually have two copies of that message: the one originally received
by me, and the one later provided by Rodolfo as an attachment (with the
filename '90'), which latter is the one he's been trying to reply to.

The one I received through the mailing list does not contain the string
'gmane', at all.

But the one provided by Rodolfo does, many times, including both in a
Path: and in a Newsgroups: header. You can probably examine that one
yourself, by downloading the same attachment I'm looking at.

-- 
   The Wanderer

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw



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Re: test, Was: mplayer won't play m4a

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

a more elaborate theory:

  https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/GnusTutorial
shows that Gnus+Emacs works on e-mail and newsgroups alike.

If Rodolfo's Gnus got Andrei's message from a newsgroup rather than via
mail, then it might have directed the reply to that newsgroup.
I got the Cc: via mail, because Gnus merrily mixes both communications
channels. (It's easy. Formats and transport protocols are very similar.)

I think the theory is dead that Andrei POPESCU's mails themselves are
the trigger. Those which i have in my mailbox show no USENET headers.

---
So a request to The Wanderer:

You wrote that you have a copy of
  https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2019/08/msg01294.html
  Subject: Re: mplayer won't play m4a
  From: Andrei POPESCU 
  Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2019 22:05:05 +0300
  Message-id: <20190826190505.zldub4tzker6am7d@localhost>

Please check by looking at the full header display or into the mailbox file
whether this message's header collection has
  Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail
  Newsgroups: gmane.linux.debian.user
or any other occurence of "gmane".

---
And a curious question towards Curt :

Your mails have the same
  Old-Return-Path: 
as in the message copy which Rodolfo gave me as the one to which he tries
to reply and fails.
There are more signs that gmane touches your messages before they show up
in my mailbox. (X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/)

If it is not an intrusion into your privacy: Do you have an explanation
for the involvement of gmane in your mail transport ?

---

Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: test, Was: mplayer won't play m4a

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

i wrote:
> > One header is missing: To: ...

Rodolfo Medina wrote:
> So what would your theory be...?

That Gnus tried to send the message to Newsgroup gmane.linux.debian.user ?
That the Debian mailing list server does not accept messages without To:,
Cc:, or Bcc: to a debian-list ?


I had a look at gmane.linux.debian.user via a USENET provider. There it is
an outdated and incomplete copy of messages from debian-user. Last from
february 2019. The group linux.debian.user looks quite complete from here.
(USENET server content can vary from provider to provider. It depends on
 what they accept from other servers.)

In the headers of the message by Andrei POPESCU to which you try to reply
i see:

  Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail
  From: Andrei POPESCU 
  Newsgroups: gmane.linux.debian.user
  Approved: n...@gmane.org
  ...
  To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
  Original-X-From: 
bounce-debian-user=gldu-debian-user-2=m.gmane@lists.debian.org Mon Aug 26 
21:05:28 2019
  Return-path: 

  Envelope-to: gldu-debian-use...@m.gmane.org
  ...
  Archived-At: 

I tried to go that URL. But it i only get ain error 522 "Connection timed out"
from a company named Cloudflare which states that it would try to connect
to the real server.

Maybe others have more luck and see Rodolfo's follow-up somewhere around
  http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.user/558396


I have not a single "Path:" header in my scdbackup mailbox.
The header "Newsgroups:" appears two times. One is in Rodolfo's failed
attempt, one in a mail which i got from a different message list.

As said, Path: and Newsgroups: belong to the RFC family beginning at
RFC850 (USENET) which we know as newsgroups, not to the RFC822 family
(ARPA Internet Text Messages) which we know as e-mail.
  RFC850 is now https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5536
  RFC822 is now https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5322


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: test, Was: mplayer won't play m4a

[Rodolfo Medina]

"Thomas Schmitt"  writes:

> I have a new theory.
>
> One header is missing:
>
>   To: ...


Right...  Whereas all my previous messages on this list do have that header...
So what would your theory be...?

Thanks,

Rodolfo

Re: test, Was: mplayer won't play m4a

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

The Wanderer wrote:
> >> Here's an attempt to reply to the message which Rodolfo Medina has
> >> reported having trouble replying to. Has anyone else tried to reply
> >> to this message, prior to this?

I wrote
> > I did, creating the sub-thread "Re: test, Was: mplayer won't play

The Wanderer wrote:
> But that doesn't seem to have been a reply to that same message. It
> shows up on my end as a reply to Rodolfo's message with Message-ID:
> <87blwe4rd8.fsf@lenovo>,

Ah yes.
But later i sent a follow-up to the message to which Rodolfo's replies
don't make it through the Debian list server.


Rodolfo Medina wrote:
> Every time I'm sending a mail message from my Gnus system (even jus now), it
> says something as:
> The Message-ID looks strange: "<87sgpetvv7.fsf@lenovo>".  [...]

It looks barely legal. "lenovo" as domain is not very unique.
Normally it should be a registered domain name, so that no machine outside
that domain feels entitled to use its name in unique identifiers.


> Maybe this means something...  Maybe Andrei has some sort of anti-spam
> system that prevents strange IDs to reply to his posts...?

I doubt that Andrei's system(s) have anything to do with the problem.
The decision not to forward your mails is done by the Debian server,
unless your mail provider silently failed to hand over the mail to that
server.


I have a new theory.
The (to my knowledge) last failed attempt has:

  From: Rodolfo Medina 
  Newsgroups: gmane.linux.debian.user
  Cc: scdbac...@gmx.net,rodolfo.med...@gmail.com
  Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2019 13:15:24 +
  Message-ID: <87r24yx2j7.fsf@lenovo>
  References: <87h8664rvb.fsf@lenovo>
  <20190826190505.zldub4tzker6am7d@localhost>
  In-Reply-To: <20190826190505.zldub4tzker6am7d@localhost> (Andrei POPESCU's
message of "Mon, 26 Aug 2019 22:05:05 +0300")

One header is missing:

  To: ...

According to RFC5322, the header To: is optional.
But not having it is really unusual.
Then there is the Newsgroups: header. This belongs to USENET, not to e-mail.


I think i cannot keep my mail sender from adding a To: header.
Will have to hack it for an experiment.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: test, Was: mplayer won't play m4a

[Rodolfo Medina]

"Thomas Schmitt"  writes:

> Hi,
>
> The Wanderer wrote:
>> Rodolfo posted a copy of that message as an attachment, just now, so
>> that should be check-able. I don't see anything quite odd just at a glance.
>
> Yes. Looks totally normal.
>
>
>> Here's an attempt to reply to the message which Rodolfo Medina has
>> reported having trouble replying to. Has anyone else tried to reply to
>> this message, prior to this?
>
> I did, creating the sub-thread "Re: test, Was: mplayer won't play m4a".
> Same as with your attempt: no problems. And Rodolfo can reply to our
> follow-up mails in the thread.
>
> It is not yet proven whether the strange In-Reply-To: header content
> is to blame. But i see it in my Cc: of the failed attempt of Rodolfo
> to follow-up to Andrei POPESCU's mail with id
> 20190826190505.zldub4tzker6am7d@localhost.
> The successful attempts to our recent mails don't have this header.


Every time I'm sending a mail message from my Gnus system (even jus now), it
says something as:

The Message-ID looks strange: "<87sgpetvv7.fsf@lenovo>".  Really post? (y or n) 
n

Maybe this means something...  Maybe Andrei has some sort of anti-spam system
that prevents strange IDs to reply to his posts...?

Rodolfo

Re: test, Was: mplayer won't play m4a

[The Wanderer]

On 2019-09-02 at 13:00, Thomas Schmitt wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> The Wanderer wrote:

>> Here's an attempt to reply to the message which Rodolfo Medina has 
>> reported having trouble replying to. Has anyone else tried to reply
>> to this message, prior to this?
> 
> I did, creating the sub-thread "Re: test, Was: mplayer won't play
> m4a". Same as with your attempt: no problems. And Rodolfo can reply
> to our follow-up mails in the thread.

But that doesn't seem to have been a reply to that same message. It
shows up on my end as a reply to Rodolfo's message with Message-ID:
<87blwe4rd8.fsf@lenovo>, which shows as a reply to his original message;
Andrei's message seems to have been a reply to that original message.

So where my reply shows up as a child of Andrei's, yours shows up as
sort of a niece or nephew. If yours was intended as a reply to Andrei's
message, then something else has gotten weird somewhere.


Your analysis of the various message headers has gotten further than I
have, and I'm not sure I'm in a position to help pursue this much (if
any) further, but I appreciate what you've done from your end.

-- 
   The Wanderer

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persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw



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Re: test, Was: mplayer won't play m4a

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

so the In-Reply-To theory took a blow. I'm out of ideas.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: test, Was: mplayer won't play m4a

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

i make a test with a synthetic In-Reply-To: header like Rodolfo's.

A test mail to myself went through. So it is not everywhere bad.

Now i am really curious ...


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: test, Was: mplayer won't play m4a

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

The Wanderer wrote:
> Rodolfo posted a copy of that message as an attachment, just now, so
> that should be check-able. I don't see anything quite odd just at a glance.

Yes. Looks totally normal.


> Here's an attempt to reply to the message which Rodolfo Medina has
> reported having trouble replying to. Has anyone else tried to reply to
> this message, prior to this?

I did, creating the sub-thread "Re: test, Was: mplayer won't play m4a".
Same as with your attempt: no problems. And Rodolfo can reply to our
follow-up mails in the thread.

It is not yet proven whether the strange In-Reply-To: header content
is to blame. But i see it in my Cc: of the failed attempt of Rodolfo
to follow-up to Andrei POPESCU's mail with id
20190826190505.zldub4tzker6am7d@localhost.
The successful attempts to our recent mails don't have this header.


Rodolfo's mails have
  User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1 (gnu/linux)
So maybe this is a reason to ask b...@gnus.org if it still exists.

Or to study
  http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git/tree/lisp/gnus
where a search for "In-Reply-To" finds
  
http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git/commit/lisp/gnus?id=fa98585ca3779749f7acadf5eaa321c03f7b0b8e
which leads me to
  http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git/tree/lisp/gnus/message.el#n5618

  (defun message-make-in-reply-to ()
...
   "'s message of \""
   (if (or (not date) (string= date ""))
...

This is obviously the text snippet that is attached to Rodolfo's

  In-Reply-To: <20190826190505.zldub4tzker6am7d@localhost> (Andrei POPESCU's
message of "Mon, 26 Aug 2019 22:05:05 +0300")

But i am too old to learn digesting Lisp poems.
(Either you learn it until you are 30 - or never.)
So i cannot tell why and when this function is called and a In-Reply-To
header gets added.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: test, Was: mplayer won't play m4a

[The Wanderer]

On 2019-09-02 at 11:33, Thomas Schmitt wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> i wrote:
>>> I don't have the mail by Andrei POPESCU in my mailbox,
> 
> The Wanderer wrote:
>> I do. It has:
> In-Reply-To: <87h8664rvb.fsf@lenovo>

>> If you want the full message, I can probably pass it along as an
>> attachment.
> 
> The full header block would be of interest. (Although i have few hope
> to spot any strangeness.)

Rodolfo posted a copy of that message as an attachment, just now, so
that should be check-able. I don't see anything quite odd just at a glance.

I'm about to reply (via Thunderbird's "reply to list" button) to my
local copy of Andrei's message, to see whether a reply from someone
other than Rodolfo goes through.

> Andrei POPESCU could join this discussion and post a test mail to
> which Rodolfo Medina could try to reply. This would help to
> understand whether it is in some way a systematic problem between the
> two mail clients.

That could be interesting, indeed, but I don't think we're quite out of
avenues to pursue even without that.

-- 
   The Wanderer

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw



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Re: test, Was: mplayer won't play m4a

[Rodolfo Medina]

The Wanderer  writes:

> On 2019-09-02 at 11:21, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
>
>> "Thomas Schmitt"  writes:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Rodolfo Medina wrote:
 ...And I'm replying now to the above message from Thomas...
>>>
>>> This one has no In-Reply-To header.
>>>
>>> I don't have the mail by Andrei POPESCU in my mailbox, to which you
>>> tried to reply with that header line.
>>>   https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2019/08/msg01294.html
>>>
>>> A mail from him from a different thread looks unsuspicious, header-wise.
>> 
>> It remains anyway a mistery, why I'm regularly replying to the present
>> thread but can't to the other one...
>
> Strictly, this isn't even a different thread; it's just another message
> in the same thread, with a different Subject line.

Yes, right...  but also I could reply to the thread named `test', earlier
today...

>
> I don't remember if you've specified: what is the exact message to which
> you're unsuccessfully trying to reply? Could you provide an archive link
> to it, and/or (better, but more unwieldy) provide the message itself -
> including headers - as an attachment or suchlike?


All right...  Here it is:



90
Description: Binary data

Thanks...

Rodolfo

Re: test, Was: mplayer won't play m4a

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

i wrote:
> > I don't have the mail by Andrei POPESCU in my mailbox,

The Wanderer wrote:
> I do. It has:
> >>> In-Reply-To: <87h8664rvb.fsf@lenovo>

Well, it is not about the In-Reply-To: header itself. Most of our mails
here have one, with just a message id string in <>-brackets.

But something seems to lure Rodolfo Medina's mail client into writing
an unusual text after that id string:

  In-Reply-To: <20190826190505.zldub4tzker6am7d@localhost> (Andrei POPESCU's
message of "Mon, 26 Aug 2019 22:05:05 +0300")

A good candidate would be some header line in Andrei's mail which tells
Rodolfo's mail client to send an In-Reply-To: at all, and with that text
add-on in ()-brackets.
(I have yet no idea how this could look like ...)


> If you want the full message, I can probably pass it along as an attachment.

The full header block would be of interest.
(Although i have few hope to spot any strangeness.)

Andrei POPESCU could join this discussion and post a test mail to which
Rodolfo Medina could try to reply. This would help to understand whether
it is in some way a systematic problem between the two mail clients.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: test, Was: mplayer won't play m4a

[The Wanderer]

On 2019-09-02 at 11:21, Rodolfo Medina wrote:

> "Thomas Schmitt"  writes:
> 
>> Hi,
>>
>> Rodolfo Medina wrote:
>>> ...And I'm replying now to the above message from Thomas...
>>
>> This one has no In-Reply-To header.
>>
>> I don't have the mail by Andrei POPESCU in my mailbox, to which you
>> tried to reply with that header line.
>>   https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2019/08/msg01294.html
>>
>> A mail from him from a different thread looks unsuspicious, header-wise.
> 
> It remains anyway a mistery, why I'm regularly replying to the present thread
> but can't to the other one...

Strictly, this isn't even a different thread; it's just another message
in the same thread, with a different Subject line.

I don't remember if you've specified: what is the exact message to which
you're unsuccessfully trying to reply? Could you provide an archive link
to it, and/or (better, but more unwieldy) provide the message itself -
including headers - as an attachment or suchlike?

-- 
   The Wanderer

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw



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Re: test, Was: mplayer won't play m4a

[Rodolfo Medina]

"Thomas Schmitt"  writes:

> Hi,
>
> Rodolfo Medina wrote:
>> ...And I'm replying now to the above message from Thomas...
>
> This one has no In-Reply-To header.
>
> I don't have the mail by Andrei POPESCU in my mailbox, to which you
> tried to reply with that header line.
>   https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2019/08/msg01294.html
>
> A mail from him from a different thread looks unsuspicious, header-wise.


It remains anyway a mistery, why I'm regularly replying to the present thread
but can't to the other one...

Rodolfo

Re: test, Was: mplayer won't play m4a

[The Wanderer]

On 2019-09-02 at 11:14, Thomas Schmitt wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Rodolfo Medina wrote:
>> ...And I'm replying now to the above message from Thomas...
> 
> This one has no In-Reply-To header.
> 
> I don't have the mail by Andrei POPESCU in my mailbox, to which you
> tried to reply with that header line.
>   https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2019/08/msg01294.html

I do. It has:

>>> In-Reply-To: <87h8664rvb.fsf@lenovo>

If you want the full message, I can probably pass it along as an attachment.

-- 
   The Wanderer

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw



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Re: test, Was: mplayer won't play m4a

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

Rodolfo Medina wrote:
> ...And I'm replying now to the above message from Thomas...

This one has no In-Reply-To header.

I don't have the mail by Andrei POPESCU in my mailbox, to which you
tried to reply with that header line.
  https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2019/08/msg01294.html

A mail from him from a different thread looks unsuspicious, header-wise.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: test, Was: mplayer won't play m4a

[Rodolfo Medina]

"Thomas Schmitt"  writes:

> Hi,
>
> this is a test whether i can reply to the thread "mplayer won't play m4a".
> It looks like Rodolfo Medina, the thread starter cannot.
>
> See
>   https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2019/09/msg00053.html
>
> In my recent mail to that thread i announced to reply to
> Message-Id: 87h8664rvb.fsf@lenovo rather than 87blwe4rd8.fsf@lenovo.
> The latter is the id of the previous mail in the thread.
>
> This one should show up as follow-up to
>   https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2019/08/msg01171.html
> with subject
>   Re: test, Was: mplayer won't play m4a
>
>
> Have a nice day :)
>
> Thomas


...And I'm replying now to the above message from Thomas...

Rodolfo

Re: test, Was: mplayer won't play m4a

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

this is a test whether i can reply to the thread "mplayer won't play m4a".
It looks like Rodolfo Medina, the thread starter cannot.

See
  https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2019/09/msg00053.html

In my recent mail to that thread i announced to reply to
Message-Id: 87h8664rvb.fsf@lenovo rather than 87blwe4rd8.fsf@lenovo.
The latter is the id of the previous mail in the thread.

This one should show up as follow-up to
  https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2019/08/msg01171.html
with subject
  Re: test, Was: mplayer won't play m4a


Have a nice day :)

Thomas