Re: var is full...

[Chris Bannister]

On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 09:45:48AM +0100, Pascal Hambourg wrote:
> Using strace, the difference seems to be that apt-get clean removes
> /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin. However you don't need to run apt-get
> update : this file seems to be rebuilt by any apt command.
> 
> apt-get clean
> apt-cache show anypatternyoulike
> apt-cache show pa

Ahh! Thanks, for that.

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Re: var is full...

[Pascal Hambourg]

Chris Bannister a écrit :
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 06:41:50AM +0100, Jochen Spieker wrote:
>> Brian:
>>> To remove every package and the package lists in apt/archives:
>>>
>>>   apt-get clean.
>> The package lists are unaffected by the clean operation. You do not need
>> to run an update afterwards.
> 
> Then explain the difference between:
> 
> 1) apt-get clean
> apt-cache show pa
> 
> and
> 
> 2) apt-get clean
> apt-get update
> apt-cache show pa

Using strace, the difference seems to be that apt-get clean removes
/var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin. However you don't need to run apt-get
update : this file seems to be rebuilt by any apt command.

apt-get clean
apt-cache show anypatternyoulike
apt-cache show pa

Re: var is full...

[Chris Bannister]

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 06:41:50AM +0100, Jochen Spieker wrote:
> Brian:
> > 
> > To remove every package and the package lists in apt/archives:
> > 
> >   apt-get clean.
> 
> The package lists are unaffected by the clean operation. You do not need
> to run an update afterwards.

Then explain the difference between:

1) apt-get clean
apt-cache show pa

and

2) apt-get clean
apt-get update
apt-cache show pa

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Re: var is full...

[Chris Bannister]

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 02:33:50PM +, Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 09:08:35 -0500
> Whit Hansell  wrote:
> 
> Hello Whit,
> 
> >is very small and won't really give me much room.  Can anyone with 
> >knowledge give me the subdirectories in var/cache that I can empty to 
> >get a reasonable amount of free space?  Running Jessie on an amd64 box.
> 
> Look at /var/cache/apt - that may well have lots of Debian packages in
> it.  IIRC, default settings is to keep them forever, once d/l'd from the
> repos.  Personally, I change this to delete after successful
> installation.  However, flushing that directory may gain a huge amount
> of space.

... which can be done with (as root):

apt-get clean

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Re: var is full...

[David Wright]

On Wed 18 Nov 2015 at 15:42:29 (+0100), Hans wrote:
> try to boot from a live system like Knoppix or any other live-cd.
> 
> Then mount the partition, where /var resides and you can delete files you do 
> not need (for example old packages).

Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought that one could delete anything
in /var/cache with impunity, or else it has no business being there.
(It might be wise to pick one's moment; boot into single user, for example.)

Cheers,
David.

Re: var is full...

[Brian]

On Wed 18 Nov 2015 at 12:20:51 -0300, Renaud OLGIATI wrote:

> On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 15:42:29 +0100
> Hans  wrote:
> 
> > try to boot from a live system like Knoppix or any other live-cd.
> > 
> > Then mount the partition, where /var resides and you can delete files you 
> > do 
> > not need (for example old packages).
> 
> Or just su to root in a console, cd to /var/cache/apt/archive and rm
> -f *.deb to remove all the old packages. 

Why have a dog and bark yourself?

  apt-get autoclean

Re: var is full...

[David Baron]

On Wednesday 18 November 2015 15:36:47 Brian wrote:
> On Wed 18 Nov 2015 at 12:20:51 -0300, Renaud OLGIATI wrote:
> > On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 15:42:29 +0100
> > 
> > Hans  wrote:
> > > try to boot from a live system like Knoppix or any other live-cd.
> > > 
> > > Then mount the partition, where /var resides and you can delete files
> > > you do not need (for example old packages).
> > 
> > Or just su to root in a console, cd to /var/cache/apt/archive and rm
> > -f *.deb to remove all the old packages.
> 
> Why have a dog and bark yourself?
> 
>   apt-get autoclean
  
Not enough. Apt-get clean/autoclean just goes so far.
I have that /var/cache/apt on the oversized home that the installation 
partitions and I symlink that back to /var/cache. 

Would be better to mount --bind. This is what I did to have /opt and 
/usr/local. Also not enough room. When I get another disk, can stop all this 
trickery, but until then, it is OK.

Re: var is full...

[Brian]

On Wed 18 Nov 2015 at 09:08:35 -0500, Whit Hansell wrote:

> my Var directory is 100% full.  I have googled abouit it and reallly haven't
> gotten a decent idea of what I can safely delete from var. I have bot tmp
> and cache subdirectories and can easily fump the tmp but it is very small
> and won't really give me much room.  Can anyone with knowledge give me the
> subdirectories in var/cache that I can empty to get a reasonable amount of
> free space?  Running Jessie on an amd64 box.

To remove all apt/archives packages older than the present versions:

  apt-get autoclean

Add -s to see beforehand what space would be freed.

To remove every package and the package lists in apt/archives:

  apt-get clean.

The package lists will be regenerated at the next 'apt-get update'.

What is the size of /var? ('df -h' tells you this). Which directories
use most space. ('du -h /var/ for that).

> I have run into this problem for the last three installs.  I always use the
> basic linuc installer recommends for var size and it is always too darn
> small.  In the past I have enlarged the partidtion/directory using gparted
> to move free space but it is a total pita and the last time it left the
> drive w. some open space just hanging out that I could not get put into the
> directoies.  That did not affect the operation but left the drive in a way
> that was sloppily set up.

Some people have very good reasons for a separate /var. Do you? If not,
go for single / partition; it makes life simpler.
 
> And how much of the var/log files can I adjust?  Those files are pretty
> large and would give me more time before I woulod have to do it agian.

I'd leave them alone. 

Re: var is full...

[Ron]

On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 15:42:29 +0100
Hans  wrote:

> try to boot from a live system like Knoppix or any other live-cd.
> 
> Then mount the partition, where /var resides and you can delete files you do 
> not need (for example old packages).

Or just su to root in a console, cd to /var/cache/apt/archive and rm -f *.deb 
to remove all the old packages. 
 
Cheers,
 
Ron.
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Re: var is full...

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Am Mittwoch, 18. November 2015, 09:41:38 schrieb David Wright:
> On Wed 18 Nov 2015 at 15:42:29 (+0100), Hans wrote:
> > try to boot from a live system like Knoppix or any other live-cd.
> > 
> > Then mount the partition, where /var resides and you can delete files you
> > do not need (for example old packages).
> 
> Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought that one could delete anything
> in /var/cache with impunity, or else it has no business being there.
> (It might be wise to pick one's moment; boot into single user, for example.)
> 
> Cheers,
> David.
Of course, he can. My idea behind, was that if the user cannot start the 
system any more, this might be an alternative way.

He can do apt-get clean or aptitude clean, too, if the system is still 
booting.

Best

Hans 

Re: var is full...

[Hans]

Hi Whit,

try to boot from a live system like Knoppix or any other live-cd.

Then mount the partition, where /var resides and you can delete files you do 
not need (for example old packages).

If your filesystem is not encrypted, then youz might want to enlarge the 
partition without any loss. You can do this with the famous gparted-live-cd 
for example.

Maybe you have enough space on a partition on another computer (filesystem must 
be ext3 or ext4), then you can sync all data from /var to this computer and 
after enlarging the /var partition back to it. 

With live-systems like Knoppix or TRK you can do many nice things, resueing 
the system or just get access to filesystems when the operating system does not 
start any more.

Feel free to ask for more information.

Hope this helps, good luck!  

Best regards

Hans

Re: var is full...

[Brad Rogers]

On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 09:08:35 -0500
Whit Hansell  wrote:

Hello Whit,

>is very small and won't really give me much room.  Can anyone with 
>knowledge give me the subdirectories in var/cache that I can empty to 
>get a reasonable amount of free space?  Running Jessie on an amd64 box.

Look at /var/cache/apt - that may well have lots of Debian packages in
it.  IIRC, default settings is to keep them forever, once d/l'd from the
repos.  Personally, I change this to delete after successful
installation.  However, flushing that directory may gain a huge amount
of space.

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Re: var is full...

[Jörg-Volker Peetz]

To see how much is used where order as super user

  du /var -hx --max-depth=1

Do you have mount points in /var ?

Regards,
jvp.

Re: var is full...

[Jochen Spieker]

Brian:
> 
> To remove every package and the package lists in apt/archives:
> 
>   apt-get clean.

The package lists are unaffected by the clean operation. You do not need
to run an update afterwards.

What's not generally known is that apt comes with a cron job that can
perform house keeping. It can be configured in apt.conf like this:

APT {
Periodic {
// see: /etc/cron.daily/apt
Update-Package-Lists "0";
Download-Upgradeable-Packages "0";
AutocleanInterval "1";
MinAge "3";
MaxAge "7";
MaxSize "1024";
}
}

See the comments in /etc/cron.daily/apt. As far as I am aware, that's
the only place where this is documented.

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Re: var is full...(Solved)

[Whit Hansell]

To all, [Brad, Hans, Jorg-Volker, Brian and David]

Thank you all for your replies.  I just got done moving free space from 
Home to my var partition, again.Darn Debian installer uses too 
small a var partition as mentioned in my  OP.
Let me apologize for those who thought I meant I could not boot the 
machine.  That was not the problem.  It was that the var partition was 
full and it needs space to use apt, cups, and other programs.  I do have 
another problem I am working on that may have been cause partly because 
of the full partitioin but i will ask for help on that if I can't get it 
figured out.  I really do appreciate all your comments and am sorry I 
could not address them until now.  It took me all day to move 5 GB of 
free space from home to var on a 1T drive.


I went ahead and did the Gparted free space move over again because Hans 
mentioned it and I knew it would take some time to do it.  Just wanted 
the whole thing over with.


Again, thanks all for your answers.  I just figured that it would be 
best to upsize the partition once and for all rather than keep deleting 
files in var cache, tmp, etc.  Hopefully an almost 8 Gb var will handle 
it now.   My original one was 2.7 Gb and I had freed up 700 mb or so 
just a few weeks ago it seems and it  filled up again so quickly.


You all are great to have on hand and we all really appreciate it.

Regards and much appreciations.

Whit

PS, Someone mentioned that I could use just one partition for the drive 
and not have this problem anymore.  I use separate partitions for 
security reasons and to learn things like the big guys  even 
tho' i'm just a putterer who has used debian since Late Woody/Early 
Sarge.  Just love Linux.



On 11/18/2015 10:52 AM, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote:

Am Mittwoch, 18. November 2015, 09:41:38 schrieb David Wright:

On Wed 18 Nov 2015 at 15:42:29 (+0100), Hans wrote:

try to boot from a live system like Knoppix or any other live-cd.

Then mount the partition, where /var resides and you can delete files you
do not need (for example old packages).

Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought that one could delete anything
in /var/cache with impunity, or else it has no business being there.
(It might be wise to pick one's moment; boot into single user, for example.)

Cheers,
David.

Of course, he can. My idea behind, was that if the user cannot start the
system any more, this might be an alternative way.

He can do apt-get clean or aptitude clean, too, if the system is still
booting.

Best

Hans

Re: /var Partition Full from APT Packages

[Alexander B. Cheng]

On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 22:51:46 -0500
Nelson E. Castillo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  There are a a lot of older versions of debian packages in
  apt/archives that is just taking up space.  Is there a command in
  apt that I can use to remove all the older versions without having
  to physically delete each package one by one?
 
 # apt-get autoclean
 
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Re: /var Partition Full from APT Packages

[Florian Ernst]

Hello Alexander!

On Sun, Mar 14, 2004 at 01:20:49AM -0800, Alexander B. Cheng wrote:
 On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 22:51:46 -0500
 Nelson E. Castillo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   There are a a lot of older versions of debian packages in
   apt/archives that is just taking up space.  Is there a command in
   apt that I can use to remove all the older versions without having
   to physically delete each package one by one?
  
  # apt-get autoclean
 
 Great it worked great... thanks :)

To probably save you from doing so again, you could set
|Aptitude::AutoClean-After-Update true
in your aptitude config, see /usr/share/doc/aptitude, or
|DSelect
|{
|   Clean auto;
|}
in your apt.conf, see /usr/share/doc/apt

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Re: /var Partition Full from APT Packages

[Nelson E. Castillo]

 There are a a lot of older versions of debian packages in apt/archives
 that is just taking up space.  Is there a command in apt that I can use
 to remove all the older versions without having to physically delete
 each package one by one?

# apt-get autoclean

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Re: /var är full!

[Carl Ekman]

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Det lättaste om du inte använder LVM (Linux Volume Manager) är ju att skapa en 
ny partition, sätta burken i single user mode, rsynca/kopiera över allt till 
en ny partition och sedan ändra i /etc/fstab och boota om...

eller förstås göra en apt-get clean, kolla logrotationsscripten, mailkön och 
printerköerna..

Annars kan du ju om du kör LVM bara använda e2fsadm för att växa 
partitionen... Eller, om du har tomt ledigt utrymme efter partitionen och 
inte använder LVM så kan du ju dumpa partitionstabellen på papper, skriva om 
den med större varpartition och sedan köra resize2fs.

Det är nog ingen vits att försöka få 2 partitioner att verka vara en 
partition... du kan ju prova att göra typ

 cd /var;du -sm|sort -rn|head -15 för att se vilka som är de stora katalogerna 
i /var och sedan göra en ny mountpoint av någon av dem.

i BSD brukar man ju ha unionfs som man kan använda för att slå ihop två 
partitioner vid monteringen, men jag tror inte det finns i linux, och 
hursomhelst så blir det nog bara jättekonstigt med nyskapade filer och så 
isf..

 Min /var är full! Därför så skapade jag en till partition
 som heter /var2. Men hur gör jag för att den också
 ska användas som en /var partition?

 Kan jag köra en resize på partitionen med något
 verktyg i Linux?
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Re: /var är full!

[David Röhr]

On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 [15:07],
Björn Johansson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

 Min /var är full! Därför så skapade jag en till partition
 som heter /var2. Men hur gör jag för att den också
 ska användas som en /var partition?

Jadu, du kan ju börja med att kontrollera varför var är full? gamla
paket som ligger och skräpar? apt-cache clean kanske hjälper? Att ha två
/var-kataloger går inte, däremot kan du ju flytta över något till en
annan partion och mounta den under var. typ /var/cache till en annan
disk.

 Kan jag köra en resize på partitionen med något
 verktyg i Linux?

Resize kan du göra, men om du vill ha kvar datat på disken så beror det
lite på vad det för typ av partioner/filsystem.


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Re: /var getting full

[Sean]

Check out /var/cache/apt/archives ... this is the default place apt puts 
downloaded packages. apt-get autoclean will clear out old packages, apt-get 
clean will delete all the packages and if you install apt-move, apt-move 
update will generate a local mirror for you using the packages in 
/var/cache/apt/archives. You can stick this mirror directory somewhere else 
with more room ... like /home if you like. 

Sean

On Saturday 03 March 2001 08:07, Dale Morris wrote:
 I just did a new cd install of 2.2. I have a 15g hard drive, 5g of which is
 a windoze partition, 5g for Linux and another 5 free space for BSD when I
 finally get around to installing it. I just started watching the disk
 contents, because I've set up disk partitions with 300megs for /var and
 /200 for /tmp. I am noticing that /var is now 70% full. Yesterday it was
 46% and I went in and cleaned out all my big mail files, yet that made
 little difference. Is there something wrong here or is this normal /var
 behavior?

 Here's what the df command yields:

 Filesystem   1k-blocks  Used Available Use% Mounted on
 /dev/hda394667 53227 36552  59% /
 /dev/hda594635   638 89110   1% /tmp
 /dev/hda6   283431187954 80838  70% /var
 /dev/hda7  1922188764500   1060040  42% /usr
 /dev/hda8  2402992552172   1728756  24% /home

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Re: /var getting full-SOLVED!

[Dale Morris]

this is an easy one, /var was being filled by apt-cache and cleaned up by
running apt-get clean


Dale Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I just did a new cd install of 2.2. I have a 15g hard drive, 5g of which is
 a windoze partition, 5g for Linux and another 5 free space for BSD when I
 finally get around to installing it. I just started watching the disk
 contents, because I've set up disk partitions with 300megs for /var and /200
 for /tmp. I am noticing that /var is now 70% full. Yesterday it was 46% and
 I went in and cleaned out all my big mail files, yet that made little
 difference. Is there something wrong here or is this normal /var behavior?
 
 Here's what the df command yields:
 
 Filesystem   1k-blocks  Used Available Use% Mounted on
 /dev/hda394667 53227 36552  59% /
 /dev/hda594635   638 89110   1% /tmp
 /dev/hda6   283431187954 80838  70% /var
 /dev/hda7  1922188764500   1060040  42% /usr
 /dev/hda8  2402992552172   1728756  24% /home
 
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Re: /var getting full-SOLVED!

[Brian Frederick Kimball]

Dale Morris wrote:

 this is an easy one, /var was being filled by apt-cache and cleaned up by
 running apt-get clean

Actually, /var/cache/apt is both filled and cleaned by apt-get.  As I
understand it, apt-cache is for querying and manipulating the contents
of /var/lib/apt/lists.

And yes, whoever named the apt utilties needs to be slapped.  My
favorite example of their poor naming is using apt-get to remove a
package.  That's a bit like using the start button in Windows to
shutdown the system.

And isn't it funny that there's no apt binary?  You'd think that with
a tool named apt the actually frontend would be named apt also.

Oh well.  I didn't write it and I'm not contributing code, so I guess I
can't complain too much.