Re: what happened to KDE?
On Thu, 03 Jun 2004 21:32:37 UTC Tom Kuiper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I few hours ago I upgraded the unstable version (2.4.20 kernel) with 'dselect' and found that a KDE log-in session was no longer an option. I don't know what you mean by no longer an option. You tried to start up KDE but it crashed? Your display manager no longer gives you a KDE choice in some menu? KDE was de-installed? I've tried to force it back in but all that did was mess up Gnome a little. For example, the upper task bar is gone and the lower is empty. I can probably fix that, but I really want KDE back. Does anyone have any suggestions? I don't know what you mean by force it back. You tried to re-install KDE by hand? You tried to create a new menu entry in a display manager for KDE? -c -- Chris Metzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (remove snip-me. to email) As a child I understood how to give; I have forgotten this grace since I have become civilized. - Chief Luther Standing Bear pgpaZwbQdoZbr.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: what happened to KDE?
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:40:34 -0400 From: Chris Metzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: what happened to KDE? ... On Thu, 03 Jun 2004 21:32:37 UTC Tom Kuiper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I few hours ago I upgraded the unstable version (2.4.20 kernel) with 'dselect' and found that a KDE log-in session was no longer an option. I don't know what you mean by no longer an option. You tried to start up KDE but it crashed? Your display manager no longer gives you a KDE choice in some menu? KDE was de-installed? Aplogies for my vagueness. What I meant was that KDE is no longer listed as a session option in gdm log-in window. When I accepted the default recommended upgrades, many (but not all) kde packages were removed. I've tried to force it back in but all that did was mess up Gnome a little. For example, the upper task bar is gone and the lower is empty. I can probably fix that, but I really want KDE back. Does anyone have any suggestions? I don't know what you mean by force it back. You tried to re-install KDE by hand? You tried to create a new menu entry in a display manager for KDE? I used dselect to select the missing KDE packages. Creating a menu entry requires an appropriate entry in /etc/gdm/Sessions for kde, but there isn't one anymore. Regards Tom -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: what happened to KDE?
Why not just make a new /etc/gdm/Sessions/KDE file?
I've included mine for reference.
* Tom Kuiper ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:40:34 -0400
From: Chris Metzler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: what happened to KDE?
..
On Thu, 03 Jun 2004 21:32:37 UTC
Tom Kuiper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I few hours ago I upgraded the unstable version (2.4.20 kernel) with
'dselect' and found that a KDE log-in session was no longer an option.
I don't know what you mean by no longer an option. You tried to start
up KDE but it crashed? Your display manager no longer gives you a KDE
choice in some menu? KDE was de-installed?
Aplogies for my vagueness. What I meant was that KDE is no longer listed
as a session option in gdm log-in window.
When I accepted the default recommended upgrades, many (but not all)?kde
packages were removed.
I've tried to force it back in but all that did was mess up Gnome a
little. For example, the upper task bar is gone and the lower is empty.
I can probably fix that, but I really want KDE back. Does anyone have
any suggestions?
I don't know what you mean by force it back. You tried to re-install
KDE by hand? You tried to create a new menu entry in a display manager
for KDE?
I used dselect to select the missing KDE packages. Creating a menu entry
requires an appropriate entry in /etc/gdm/Sessions for kde, but there isn't
one anymore.
Regards
Tom
--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
lynx -dump www.infiltrated.net/wtf |
grep +- |
sed 's/\\//g;s/\// /g;s/\//;s/-/ /g' |
awk '{print $2,$3,$4,$5}' |
sed 's/ //g'
#!/bin/sh
#
# /etc/gdm/Sessions/KDE
#
# global KDE session file, used by gdm
exec /etc/X11/Xsession /usr/bin/startkde
Re: what happened to KDE?
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 18:21:45 -0400 From: Alex Derkach [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tom Kuiper [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: what happened to KDE? ... Why not just make a new /etc/gdm/Sessions/KDE file? I've included mine for reference. That's what I did the last time this happened, but it is no longer an option. The only kde related command on my system now is /usr/bin/kdetrayproxy I think the Debian developers have made some policy decision without announcing it. Cheers Tom * Tom Kuiper ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:40:34 -0400 From: Chris Metzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: what happened to KDE? .. On Thu, 03 Jun 2004 21:32:37 UTC Tom Kuiper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I few hours ago I upgraded the unstable version (2.4.20 kernel) with 'dselect' and found that a KDE log-in session was no longer an option. I don't know what you mean by no longer an option. You tried to start up KDE but it crashed? Your display manager no longer gives you a KDE choice in some menu? KDE was de-installed? Aplogies for my vagueness. What I meant was that KDE is no longer listed as a session option in gdm log-in window. When I accepted the default recommended upgrades, many (but not all)?kde packages were removed. I've tried to force it back in but all that did was mess up Gnome a little. For example, the upper task bar is gone and the lower is empty. I can probably fix that, but I really want KDE back. Does anyone have any suggestions? I don't know what you mean by force it back. You tried to re-install KDE by hand? You tried to create a new menu entry in a display manager for KDE? I used dselect to select the missing KDE packages. Creating a menu entry requires an appropriate entry in /etc/gdm/Sessions for kde, but there isn't one anymore. ... #!/bin/sh # # /etc/gdm/Sessions/KDE # # global KDE session file, used by gdm exec /etc/X11/Xsession /usr/bin/startkde -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: what happened to KDE?
I know this is a stupid question, but have you tried apt-get install
kde ?
* Tom Kuiper ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 18:21:45 -0400
From: Alex Derkach [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Tom Kuiper [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: what happened to KDE?
..
Why not just make a new /etc/gdm/Sessions/KDE file?
I've included mine for reference.
That's what I did the last time this happened, but it is no longer an option.
The only kde related command on my system now is /usr/bin/kdetrayproxy
I think the Debian developers have made some policy decision without
announcing it.
Cheers
Tom
* Tom Kuiper ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:40:34 -0400
From: Chris Metzler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: what happened to KDE?
..
On Thu, 03 Jun 2004 21:32:37 UTC
Tom Kuiper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I few hours ago I upgraded the unstable version (2.4.20 kernel) with
'dselect' and found that a KDE log-in session was no longer an option.
I don't know what you mean by no longer an option. You tried to start
up KDE but it crashed? Your display manager no longer gives you a KDE
choice in some menu? KDE was de-installed?
Aplogies for my vagueness. What I meant was that KDE is no longer listed
as a session option in gdm log-in window.
When I accepted the default recommended upgrades, many (but not all)?kde
packages were removed.
I've tried to force it back in but all that did was mess up Gnome a
little. For example, the upper task bar is gone and the lower is empty.
I can probably fix that, but I really want KDE back. Does anyone have
any suggestions?
I don't know what you mean by force it back. You tried to re-install
KDE by hand? You tried to create a new menu entry in a display manager
for KDE?
I used dselect to select the missing KDE packages. Creating a menu entry
requires an appropriate entry in /etc/gdm/Sessions for kde, but there isn't
one anymore.
..
#!/bin/sh
#
# /etc/gdm/Sessions/KDE
#
# global KDE session file, used by gdm
exec /etc/X11/Xsession /usr/bin/startkde
--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
lynx -dump www.infiltrated.net/wtf |
grep +- |
sed 's/\\//g;s/\// /g;s/\//;s/-/ /g' |
awk '{print $2,$3,$4,$5}' |
sed 's/ //g'
--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: what happened to KDE?
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 18:47:35 -0400 From: Alex Derkach [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tom Kuiper [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: what happened to KDE? ... I know this is a stupid question, but have you tried apt-get install kde ? Yes. That is what I was doing with dselect. dselect is just a curses-based front-end for the apt commands. It gives a more visibilty into what is going on. The thing that really bugs me is that I've lost access to such things as my calendar because applications such as korganizer are no longer there. It's starting to be a wasted day. Regards Tom -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: what happened to KDE?
Tom Kuiper writes: dselect is just a curses-based front-end for the apt commands. No. Dselect is just a curses-based front-end for the dpkg commands. Use Aptitude. -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler) Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: what happened to KDE?
om Kuiper wrote: Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 18:21:45 -0400 From: Alex Derkach [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tom Kuiper [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: what happened to KDE? ... Why not just make a new /etc/gdm/Sessions/KDE file? I've included mine for reference. That's what I did the last time this happened, but it is no longer an option. The only kde related command on my system now is /usr/bin/kdetrayproxy I think the Debian developers have made some policy decision without announcing it. Cheers Tom * Tom Kuiper ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:40:34 -0400 From: Chris Metzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: what happened to KDE? .. On Thu, 03 Jun 2004 21:32:37 UTC Tom Kuiper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I few hours ago I upgraded the unstable version (2.4.20 kernel) with 'dselect' and found that a KDE log-in session was no longer an option. I don't know what you mean by no longer an option. You tried to start up KDE but it crashed? Your display manager no longer gives you a KDE choice in some menu? KDE was de-installed? Aplogies for my vagueness. What I meant was that KDE is no longer listed as a session option in gdm log-in window. When I accepted the default recommended upgrades, many (but not all)?kde packages were removed. I've tried to force it back in but all that did was mess up Gnome a little. For example, the upper task bar is gone and the lower is empty. I can probably fix that, but I really want KDE back. Does anyone have any suggestions? I don't know what you mean by force it back. You tried to re-install KDE by hand? You tried to create a new menu entry in a display manager for KDE? I used dselect to select the missing KDE packages. Creating a menu entry requires an appropriate entry in /etc/gdm/Sessions for kde, but there isn't one anymore. ... #!/bin/sh # # /etc/gdm/Sessions/KDE # # global KDE session file, used by gdm exec /etc/X11/Xsession /usr/bin/startkde Same situation here installing debian on imac for a friend dist upgrade with kde lost kde sudo apt-get install kde he following packages have unmet dependencies: kde: Depends: kde-core but it is not going to be installed Depends: kde-amusements but it is not going to be installed Depends: kdeaddons but it is not going to be installed Depends: kdeadmin but it is not going to be installed Depends: kdeartwork but it is not going to be installed Depends: kdegraphics but it is not going to be installed Depends: kdemultimedia but it is not going to be installed Depends: kdenetwork but it is not going to be installed Depends: kdepim but it is not going to be installed Depends: kdeutils but it is not going to be installed Depends: quanta but it is not going to be installed I have seen this once before about 6 or so months ago but was rectified very quickly I have checked bugs.debian.org but cant identify anything. My work mate is looking into it today -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: what happened to KDE?
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 09:11:24 +1000 From: Mal Beaton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: what happened to KDE? ... The only kde related command on my system now is /usr/bin/kdetrayproxy I think the Debian developers have made some policy decision without announcing it. ... I have seen this once before about 6 or so months ago but was rectified very quickly I have checked bugs.debian.org but cant identify anything. My work mate is looking into it today Yes, I too saw it about that time and it was fixed in a day. I've been trying to update occasionally but the Debian sites often don't respond. Something is going on. Tomorrow maybe. Alas, I'm taking my laptop home for the weekend, so I guess I'll be learning gnome nilly-willy. Builds character! Cheers Tom -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: what happened to KDE?
Hi. First of all, there's no need to CC me with any of this stuff. I read the list, obviously. I think the problems you're having are two separate problems: one having to do with the missing KDE session option in gdm, and the other having to do with KDE being de-installed. On Thu, 03 Jun 2004 21:52:38 UTC Tom Kuiper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:40:34 -0400 From: Chris Metzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: what happened to KDE? ... On Thu, 03 Jun 2004 21:32:37 UTC Tom Kuiper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I few hours ago I upgraded the unstable version (2.4.20 kernel) with'dselect' and found that a KDE log-in session was no longer an option. I don't know what you mean by no longer an option. You tried to start up KDE but it crashed? Your display manager no longer gives you a KDE choice in some menu? KDE was de-installed? Aplogies for my vagueness. What I meant was that KDE is no longer listed as a session option in gdm log-in window. OK. A quick comment: I would strongly recommend taking the time to read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html . . .in particular, the part about Before You Ask. Searching the web, searching the archives for this mailing list, and scanning the documentation of the software for changes are all good things to try to solve your problem. I mention this because this first issue (disappearing gdm sessions after upgrade) has been discussed in this mailing list about 10 jillion times in the last few months. A careful search of the mailing list archives should answer this question for everyone. There's also an explanation for what happened in the docs for gdm, located at /usr/share/doc/gdm on your machine. You further say: Creating a menu entry requires an appropriate entry in /etc/gdm/Sessions for kde, but there isn't one anymore. Right. That's what changed. From the changelog for gdm, located on your machine in /usr/share/doc/gdm/changelog.Debian.gz, we see . . . } gdm (2.4.4.7-1) unstable; urgency=low [ various changes snipped ] } * gdm no longer reads the Sessions directory to populate the menu }(closes: #218786) [ more snippage ] } * With the new Xsession.in that uses the Xsession.d dir to start up, }and the /etc/dm/Sessions dir supported by kdm and gdm for programs }to indicate they should be on the session list, all that's needed }is those programs to supply desktop files for /etc/dm/Sessions }(closes: #84396) Sessions aren't kept in /etc/gdm/Sessions anymore. Instead, they're in /etc/dm/Sessions. Putting a KDE session file there should do the trick. The second issue -- the fact that many of your KDE packages were de-installed . . .this one I'm not sure about, but were any of the packages you upgraded CUPS libraries? As was discussed here earlier today, unstable is currently missing the package libcupsys2. I think the package libcupsys2-gnutls is meant to replace it, and the two packages conflict with each other. If you upgraded cupsys, that would have replaced libcupsys2 with libcupsys-gnutls. However, the package kdelibs4 currently in unstable was built against libcupsys2, and needs to be rebuilt against libcupsys-gnutls. Since it requires libcupsys2, an upgrade of CUPS causes kdelibs4 to be removed; it can't be re-installed, because it requires libcupsys2, which is no longer present in unstable. As discussed in that earlier thread today (Whom to ask about package system errors?), the KDE maintainer who needs to deal with this is aware of the problem, but is very sick, and will do an upload when he is able. I don't know if that's what your problem is, but you might wanna check into it. If it isn't, it might be worth going back and seeing what packages you *did* install/upgrade, and using apt-cache or aptitude or p.d.o or whatever to find out why the KDE packages were driven out. That will help to fix things. HTH. -c -- Chris Metzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (remove snip-me. to email) As a child I understood how to give; I have forgotten this grace since I have become civilized. - Chief Luther Standing Bear pgpvIcQUBjvFc.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: what happened to KDE?
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 19:19:06 -0400 From: Chris Metzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: what happened to KDE? ... Hi. First of all, there's no need to CC me with any of this stuff. I read the list, obviously. The way 'elm' parses the header, if I reply only to you, no copy goes to the list. So, I do a 'group reply' to pick up what is on the Cc: line. I think the problems you're having are two separate problems: one having to do with the missing KDE session option in gdm, and the other having to do with KDE being de-installed. OK, you've confirmed my diagnosis. Right now, if you try to get kde back, you won't get the core parts. I trust it will be fixed soon. Tom -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: what happened to KDE?
On Thu, 03 Jun 2004 23:26:58 UTC Tom Kuiper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 19:19:06 -0400 From: Chris Metzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: what happened to KDE? ... Hi. First of all, there's no need to CC me with any of this stuff. I read the list, obviously. The way 'elm' parses the header, if I reply only to you, no copy goes to the list. So, I do a 'group reply' to pick up what is on the Cc: line. OK, elm is broken. Nevertheless, PLEASE DO NOT CONTINUE TO CC ME. Sending to only the list is fine. I read the list. It's generally considered rude here to cc people with a second copy unless they request them. It's especially rude to continue to do it after they've asked you to stop, and even more so if the recipient is someone who's taking time to try to be helpful. With that out of the way . . . I think the problems you're having are two separate problems: one having to do with the missing KDE session option in gdm, and the other having to do with KDE being de-installed. OK, you've confirmed my diagnosis. Right now, if you try to get kde back, you won't get the core parts. I trust it will be fixed soon. Given that you snipped the rest of the message I sent, I'm a little worried that you thought I'd top-posted, and thought that what you quoted was all I added. There was a bunch of stuff further below, indicating what I think is up with your gdm installation and what I think is up with KDE. You may have seen it and trimmed it; but due to paranoia, I'm just making sure you caught it. -c -- Chris Metzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (remove snip-me. to email) As a child I understood how to give; I have forgotten this grace since I have become civilized. - Chief Luther Standing Bear pgphN0kPyOjCI.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: what happened to KDE?
On Thu, 2004-06-03 at 22:32, Tom Kuiper wrote: I few hours ago I upgraded the unstable version (2.4.20 kernel) with 'dselect' and found that a KDE log-in session was no longer an option. I've tried to force it back in but all that did was mess up Gnome a little. For example, the upper task bar is gone and the lower is empty. I can probably fix that, but I really want KDE back. Does anyone have any suggestions? This has already been discussed on the list (look for threads about cupsys and KDE). Its a known dependency problem due to libcupsys2 and gnutls being upgraded. kdelibs4 depends on an old version of libcupsys which is no longer available. Solution is to nab the libcupsys2 from 'testing' and install that (but I think you'll have no Gnome unless you use the 'testing' packages) or recompile kdelibs4 against the latest libcupsys2-dev package. The problem's been around for about a week now and the maintainers are well aware of it. Someone mentioned in a previous thread that the specific maintatiner for kdelibs has been ill which explains why its taking so long. HTH Tristan signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: what happened to KDE?
This probably has nothing to do with your problem, but it is a good way to scramble KDE. I made the stupid mistake of running an apt-get upgrade from a Root Console - Konsole session within KDE. This effectively prevented the upgrade of all KDE components in use at the time, while upgrading others. When KDE was restarted, it died of myriad complaints. Running the upgrade again from the _real_ root console solved the problem. -- Carl Brown Whitefield, NH USA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: what happened to KDE?
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 19:39:43 -0400 From: Chris Metzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: what happened to KDE? ... On Thu, 03 Jun 2004 23:26:58 UTC Tom Kuiper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 19:19:06 -0400 From: Chris Metzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: what happened to KDE? ... Hi. First of all, there's no need to CC me with any of this stuff. I read the list, obviously. The way 'elm' parses the header, if I reply only to you, no copy goes to the list. So, I do a 'group reply' to pick up what is on the Cc: line. OK, elm is broken. Nevertheless, PLEASE DO NOT CONTINUE TO CC ME. Sending to only the list is fine. I read the list. It's generally considered rude here to cc people with a second copy unless they request them. It's especially rude to continue to do it after they've asked you to stop, and even more so if the recipient is someone who's taking time to try to be helpful. I accept your criticism and have found a work-around using 'forward'. With that out of the way . . . ... Given that you snipped the rest of the message I sent, I'm a little worried that you thought I'd top-posted, and thought that what you quoted was all I added. There was a bunch of stuff further below, indicating what I think is up with your gdm installation and what I think is up with KDE. You may have seen it and trimmed it; but due to paranoia, I'm just making sure you caught it. You are right on the mark there, so I'll go back and repond to that message. Tom -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: what happened to KDE?
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 19:19:06 -0400 From: Chris Metzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: what happened to KDE? ... OK. A quick comment: I would strongly recommend taking the time to read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html . . .in particular, the part about Before You Ask. Searching the web, searching the archives for this mailing list, and scanning the documentation of the software for changes are all good things to try to solve your problem. I spent about two hours searching the Debian website for anything relevant. Nothing. But then, I was probably searching with the wrong keywords. I mention this because this first issue (disappearing gdm sessions after upgrade) has been discussed in this mailing list about 10 jillion times in the last few months. A careful search of the mailing list archives should answer this question for everyone. There's also an explanation for what happened in the docs for gdm, located at /usr/share/doc/gdm on your machine. This would be surprising. The files is dated May 16. I did problem-free updates on May 19 and May 21. You further say: Creating a menu entry requires an appropriate entry in /etc/gdm/Sessions for kde, but there isn't one anymore. Right. That's what changed. From the changelog for gdm, located on your machine in /usr/share/doc/gdm/changelog.Debian.gz, we see . . . } gdm (2.4.4.7-1) unstable; urgency=low [ various changes snipped ] } * gdm no longer reads the Sessions directory to populate the menu }(closes: #218786) [ more snippage ] } * With the new Xsession.in that uses the Xsession.d dir to start up, }and the /etc/dm/Sessions dir supported by kdm and gdm for programs }to indicate they should be on the session list, all that's needed }is those programs to supply desktop files for /etc/dm/Sessions }(closes: #84396) Sessions aren't kept in /etc/gdm/Sessions anymore. Instead, they're in /etc/dm/Sessions. Putting a KDE session file there should do the trick. Thanks. I went through that some months ago, did not enter it into my log, and forgot it. Having said that, /etc/dm/Sessions contains: Fvwm.desktop dated May 7 and default.desktop dated March 29. You are right about the cups library issue you discuss below. I didn't There were changes made to cups, packages removed, packages upgraded, and packages installed. I can get the details from the log. However, it seems that patience is going to provide the remedy. I wish the developer speedy recovery. The second issue -- the fact that many of your KDE packages were de-installed . . .this one I'm not sure about, but were any of the packages you upgraded CUPS libraries? As was discussed here earlier today, unstable is currently missing the package libcupsys2. I think the package libcupsys2-gnutls is meant to replace it, and the two packages conflict with each other. If you upgraded cupsys, that would have replaced libcupsys2 with libcupsys-gnutls. However, the package kdelibs4 currently in unstable was built against libcupsys2, and needs to be rebuilt against libcupsys-gnutls. Since it requires libcupsys2, an upgrade of CUPS causes kdelibs4 to be removed; it can't be re-installed, because it requires libcupsys2, which is no longer present in unstable. As discussed in that earlier thread today (Whom to ask about package system errors?), the KDE maintainer who needs to deal with this is aware of the problem, but is very sick, and will do an upload when he is able. I don't know if that's what your problem is, but you might wanna check into it. If it isn't, it might be worth going back and seeing what packages you *did* install/upgrade, and using apt-cache or aptitude or p.d.o or whatever to find out why the KDE packages were driven out. That will help to fix things. At this point, I'm going to wait a few days and try again. Thanks for your help. Tom -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: what happened to KDE?
On Thursday 03 June 2004 07:52 pm, Carl Brown wrote: I made the stupid mistake of running an apt-get upgrade from a Root Console - Konsole session within KDE. This effectively prevented the upgrade of all KDE components in use at the time, while upgrading others. Actually, I've done that lots of times without issue at all. I think I even upgraded to KDE 3.2.2 while actively using KDE 3.1.x. It never has seemed to be an issue, though I freely admit it's not hard to conceive of breaking something in this fashion. -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: what happened to KDE?
Drifting off topic On Thu, Jun 03, 2004 at 11:26:58PM +, Tom Kuiper wrote: The way 'elm' parses the header, if I reply only to you, no copy goes to the list. So, I do a 'group reply' to pick up what is on the Cc: line. Mutt does the same thing, yet this message is going only to the list. I'm courteous enough to manually edit the headers. You can do the same. -- Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] Manager, Dueling Modems Computer Forum http://dm.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: what happened to KDE?
Bingo it worked THanks Tristan Mills wrote: On Thu, 2004-06-03 at 22:32, Tom Kuiper wrote: I few hours ago I upgraded the unstable version (2.4.20 kernel) with 'dselect' and found that a KDE log-in session was no longer an option. I've tried to force it back in but all that did was mess up Gnome a little. For example, the upper task bar is gone and the lower is empty. I can probably fix that, but I really want KDE back. Does anyone have any suggestions? This has already been discussed on the list (look for threads about cupsys and KDE). Its a known dependency problem due to libcupsys2 and gnutls being upgraded. kdelibs4 depends on an old version of libcupsys which is no longer available. Solution is to nab the libcupsys2 from 'testing' and install that (but I think you'll have no Gnome unless you use the 'testing' packages) or recompile kdelibs4 against the latest libcupsys2-dev package. The problem's been around for about a week now and the maintainers are well aware of it. Someone mentioned in a previous thread that the specific maintatiner for kdelibs has been ill which explains why its taking so long. HTH Tristan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: what happened to KDE?
Carl Fink wrote: Drifting off topic On Thu, Jun 03, 2004 at 11:26:58PM +, Tom Kuiper wrote: The way 'elm' parses the header, if I reply only to you, no copy goes to the list. So, I do a 'group reply' to pick up what is on the Cc: line. Mutt does the same thing, yet this message is going only to the list. I'm courteous enough to manually edit the headers. You can do the same. well, kMail has a nice feature that lets you set a folder up as a mailing list container, and when you reply you can do a reply-to-list from the menu, and instead of replying to the person that made post it automaticallt replies to the list only. Not sure of your set up but maybe it helps! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
