Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?
On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 3:19 AM, Gary Dale garyd...@torfree.net wrote: On 20/12/14 10:21 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: Not you Patrick, someone else. I am sort of quoting I still do not know what you have against whatever they were suggesting it is far superior to wordperfect. Odd idea about a virtual machine too. The is far superior is the sort of thing I mean. Especially when so many others have reasons to appreciate their own word processor preferences. Kare I believe I'm the person who made the remark. It's based on comparing features, features that you like and know how to find ease of use according to what you're used to and stability. Sigh. I laugh in your face. Unless, I suppose, you mean the stability when tryihg to run it in wine on current Linux boxes, or perhaps the Mac version. WP 5.1 on DOS was as stable as word processors get. Period. Macintosh WordPerfect of the same vintage, not so stable. There were technical reasons for that involving the ability of the old Macintosh libraries to support techniques used internally in WordPerfect. If you took an independent evaluation of the current crop of word processors available in the world, and compared them against WP51, I doubt anyone would rate WP51 above the major free options. I suppose you're into doubting the existence of countries you've never been to? Even when engaging in a conversation with people who claim to be from that country? This thread includes posts from people who use LO/OO reguarly and would rather use WP, you know. At some point we should just accept that some products are just better than others. Do you really mean to say that, at some point, everyone should accept your opinion? Familiarity may make you comfortable with a product but the computer world never stands still. Clinging to the past leads to problems with keeping things current - such as finding a way to run WordPerfect on a platform that the manufacturer no longer supports. I also recall WP's reveal codes. Funny thing is, I've never missed them. LibreOffice and OpenOffice.org before it never messed up my documents enough to make me want to see what they were doing. And that explains exaclty what makes WP uninteresting to you. Which is fine with me. As for whether the user interface is good or bad, I don't really care. I hate a lot of the current crop of user interfaces because they try to get too clever. The best user interface is the one that works for that particular user. You can say that much, but you can't admit that the underlying paradigm might also have its advantages and disadvantages? That the best way to process text internally is the one that works for the particular user? I don't think we are talking about simple algebraic automata with, say, ten inputs and ten outputs and a pre-specified algebraic language, such that all word processors must implement that algrebraic language to be called word processors. For the great unwashed masses of us who don't spend all day word processing, we want one that allows us to find the features we want when we need them. LibreOffice does that. For you it does, apparently. For me, frankly, I'd rather use MSWord, even with that accursed ribbon interface. Hmm. Some people actually like the ribbon interface. And I'm not saying that with a wink and a nudge and a knowing chuckle. It collects the stuff they need where they need most often and puts where they can find it. The only complaint I have about it is that Microsoft wants everyone to accept that their UI and internal paradigms, their definition of a word processor, is superior and more modern and therefore everyone should just up and abandon whatever they think they like best and come running and use Microsoft's Office products. Salesmen who talk like that see me smile and nod politely, but they rarely see my money. If they get offended about it, they just see the door that much sooner. But it doesn't bother me that my co-workers use MSOffice, unless my co-workers get sucked into cooperating with those salesmen. A lot of the new crop of interfaces like to hide things away to make the top bar smaller. This effectively gives you an extra layer of menu to get to the feature you want. It may look snazzy but it doesn't help me process words. You can see this, but you can't see that. OK. That's fine, too. Just don't be surprised that some people disagree with you, and that some find the way you offer your opinions offensive. (I've heard people whose opinions I respect opine that, had WordPerfect opened their source code instead of selling the company, MSOffice would be a dead product now, with all the ramifications that would hold.) Points on topic: People who haven't tried LibreOffice/OpenOffice might find it worth their while to do so. Or not. It's probably worth an hour or two of trying it out. Likewise the various alternatives based on TeX, such as lyx. Those who find reveal codes functionality
Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?
well, this was Entertaining. For those who like to cling. www.wpuniverse.com Marvelous place and there are even ways to run wp 5.1 for dos, under windows 8 if you like it like that. You know I use wp many many times a day, wp 6.0 for dos and 6.2...but I honestly cannot remember the last time I worked with reveal codes. I might add that some at the wp universe rave about wp 5.1 for dos and wonder why I love 6.0 so much, but not with a suggestion that anyone is clinging to the past of anything. I suppose it is time to toss out those pencils folks. However, I will fight to keep my crayons ducky! Seriously, I intend curling up with this wp for UNIX manual and a bit of eggnog over the weekend. Will report which UNIX orchestra fits its fancy when I learn. Thanks all, Kare On Tue, 23 Dec 2014, Joel Rees wrote: On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 3:19 AM, Gary Dale garyd...@torfree.net wrote: On 20/12/14 10:21 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: Not you Patrick, someone else. I am sort of quoting I still do not know what you have against whatever they were suggesting it is far superior to wordperfect. Odd idea about a virtual machine too. The is far superior is the sort of thing I mean. Especially when so many others have reasons to appreciate their own word processor preferences. Kare I believe I'm the person who made the remark. It's based on comparing features, features that you like and know how to find ease of use according to what you're used to and stability. Sigh. I laugh in your face. Unless, I suppose, you mean the stability when tryihg to run it in wine on current Linux boxes, or perhaps the Mac version. WP 5.1 on DOS was as stable as word processors get. Period. Macintosh WordPerfect of the same vintage, not so stable. There were technical reasons for that involving the ability of the old Macintosh libraries to support techniques used internally in WordPerfect. If you took an independent evaluation of the current crop of word processors available in the world, and compared them against WP51, I doubt anyone would rate WP51 above the major free options. I suppose you're into doubting the existence of countries you've never been to? Even when engaging in a conversation with people who claim to be from that country? This thread includes posts from people who use LO/OO reguarly and would rather use WP, you know. At some point we should just accept that some products are just better than others. Do you really mean to say that, at some point, everyone should accept your opinion? Familiarity may make you comfortable with a product but the computer world never stands still. Clinging to the past leads to problems with keeping things current - such as finding a way to run WordPerfect on a platform that the manufacturer no longer supports. I also recall WP's reveal codes. Funny thing is, I've never missed them. LibreOffice and OpenOffice.org before it never messed up my documents enough to make me want to see what they were doing. And that explains exaclty what makes WP uninteresting to you. Which is fine with me. As for whether the user interface is good or bad, I don't really care. I hate a lot of the current crop of user interfaces because they try to get too clever. The best user interface is the one that works for that particular user. You can say that much, but you can't admit that the underlying paradigm might also have its advantages and disadvantages? That the best way to process text internally is the one that works for the particular user? I don't think we are talking about simple algebraic automata with, say, ten inputs and ten outputs and a pre-specified algebraic language, such that all word processors must implement that algrebraic language to be called word processors. For the great unwashed masses of us who don't spend all day word processing, we want one that allows us to find the features we want when we need them. LibreOffice does that. For you it does, apparently. For me, frankly, I'd rather use MSWord, even with that accursed ribbon interface. Hmm. Some people actually like the ribbon interface. And I'm not saying that with a wink and a nudge and a knowing chuckle. It collects the stuff they need where they need most often and puts where they can find it. The only complaint I have about it is that Microsoft wants everyone to accept that their UI and internal paradigms, their definition of a word processor, is superior and more modern and therefore everyone should just up and abandon whatever they think they like best and come running and use Microsoft's Office products. Salesmen who talk like that see me smile and nod politely, but they rarely see my money. If they get offended about it, they just see the door that much sooner. But it doesn't bother me that my co-workers use MSOffice, unless my co-workers get sucked into cooperating with those salesmen. A lot of the new crop of interfaces like to hide things away to make the top bar smaller.
Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?
On 2014-12-21, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh h...@debian.org wrote: Why do we all have to like the same word processor? Indeed. And some of us actually like *document* processors (best example in Debian: lyx) for extremely consistent output (and IMHO, much higher productivity). (I knew I was right to leave this thread open; I see it *is* getting rather snippy elsewhere.) I use a simple latex template + latex2rtf + abiword (sufficient for my brain-damaged needs). Not that anyone cares, but there ya go. There is an entire world out there of text processing that decouples presentation from content... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/slrnm9dtlk.30v.cu...@einstein.electron.org
Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?
On 20/12/14 10:21 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: Not you Patrick, someone else. I am sort of quoting I still do not know what you have against whatever they were suggesting it is far superior to wordperfect. Odd idea about a virtual machine too. The is far superior is the sort of thing I mean. Especially when so many others have reasons to appreciate their own word processor preferences. Kare I believe I'm the person who made the remark. It's based on comparing features, ease of use and stability. If you took an independent evaluation of the current crop of word processors available in the world, and compared them against WP51, I doubt anyone would rate WP51 above the major free options. At some point we should just accept that some products are just better than others. Familiarity may make you comfortable with a product but the computer world never stands still. Clinging to the past leads to problems with keeping things current - such as finding a way to run WordPerfect on a platform that the manufacturer no longer supports. I also recall WP's reveal codes. Funny thing is, I've never missed them. LibreOffice and OpenOffice.org before it never messed up my documents enough to make me want to see what they were doing. As for whether the user interface is good or bad, I don't really care. I hate a lot of the current crop of user interfaces because they try to get too clever. The best user interface is the one that works for that particular user. For the great unwashed masses of us who don't spend all day word processing, we want one that allows us to find the features we want when we need them. LibreOffice does that. A lot of the new crop of interfaces like to hide things away to make the top bar smaller. This effectively gives you an extra layer of menu to get to the feature you want. It may look snazzy but it doesn't help me process words. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54970f18.5060...@torfree.net
Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?
On 17/12/14 11:35 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: Who said anything about running windows? The only windows I have are made of glass lol. Although a virtual dos machine might be interesting if I find anything over much to do with Linux. Thanks for the giggle, Kare OK, but you can set up a UNIX virtual machine. Worst case would be needing qemu to emulate whatever processor your WP51 version was set up for. Still don't know what you have against LibreOffice. It's almost certainly superior to WP51 in every significant way. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5495af2d.5050...@torfree.net
Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?
On 12/20/2014 12:17 PM, Gary Dale wrote: On 17/12/14 11:35 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: Who said anything about running windows? The only windows I have are made of glass lol. Although a virtual dos machine might be interesting if I find anything over much to do with Linux. Thanks for the giggle, Kare OK, but you can set up a UNIX virtual machine. Worst case would be needing qemu to emulate whatever processor your WP51 version was set up for. Still don't know what you have against LibreOffice. It's almost certainly superior to WP51 in every significant way. At least she doesn't have to worry about Styles. Most people do not need a QuarkXpress or MS Publisher, and that's what LO is trying to be. Just like those expensive commercial programs, anyone who uses LO (or OO) will either have to read and learn a lot of instructions or find a different solution. My solution is TextMaker from SoftMaker, which has a free version for non-commercial use, and which seems to have just about all the features of the paid version. (I have no pecuniary interest in SoftMaker, a German firm.) --doug -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5495cabb.8060...@optonline.net
Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?
On 20/12/14 02:15 PM, Doug wrote: On 12/20/2014 12:17 PM, Gary Dale wrote: On 17/12/14 11:35 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: Who said anything about running windows? The only windows I have are made of glass lol. Although a virtual dos machine might be interesting if I find anything over much to do with Linux. Thanks for the giggle, Kare OK, but you can set up a UNIX virtual machine. Worst case would be needing qemu to emulate whatever processor your WP51 version was set up for. Still don't know what you have against LibreOffice. It's almost certainly superior to WP51 in every significant way. At least she doesn't have to worry about Styles. Most people do not need a QuarkXpress or MS Publisher, and that's what LO is trying to be. Just like those expensive commercial programs, anyone who uses LO (or OO) will either have to read and learn a lot of instructions or find a different solution. My solution is TextMaker from SoftMaker, which has a free version for non-commercial use, and which seems to have just about all the features of the paid version. (I have no pecuniary interest in SoftMaker, a German firm.) --doug Funny but I never had to learn about styles. However they are handier than applying individual attributes to common elements. And while LibreOffice is quite powerful, it's not Scribus nor Scribus-like by any stretch. It's just a modern, feature-rich word processor. That means allowing people to use styles when they want to or ignoring them when they don't. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5495ce42.7060...@torfree.net
Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?
On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Gary Dale garyd...@torfree.net wrote: On 20/12/14 02:15 PM, Doug wrote: On 12/20/2014 12:17 PM, Gary Dale wrote: On 17/12/14 11:35 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: Who said anything about running windows? The only windows I have are made of glass lol. Although a virtual dos machine might be interesting if I find anything over much to do with Linux. Thanks for the giggle, Kare OK, but you can set up a UNIX virtual machine. Worst case would be needing qemu to emulate whatever processor your WP51 version was set up for. Still don't know what you have against LibreOffice. It's almost certainly superior to WP51 in every significant way. At least she doesn't have to worry about Styles. Most people do not need a QuarkXpress or MS Publisher, and that's what LO is trying to be. Just like those expensive commercial programs, anyone who uses LO (or OO) will either have to read and learn a lot of instructions or find a different solution. My solution is TextMaker from SoftMaker, which has a free version for non-commercial use, and which seems to have just about all the features of the paid version. (I have no pecuniary interest in SoftMaker, a German firm.) --doug Funny but I never had to learn about styles. However they are handier than applying individual attributes to common elements. And while LibreOffice is quite powerful, it's not Scribus nor Scribus-like by any stretch. It's just a modern, feature-rich word processor. That means allowing people to use styles when they want to or ignoring them when they don't. By way of example, flush-right-with-dot-leader is trivial in WP8 (the native WP for Linux), impossible in LibreOffice without a style which is absurdly difficult to create. Patrick -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cajvvksnqh2ghtbxfpzh7j_okubvuk+vlgfen3tgvgozn9-s...@mail.gmail.com
Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?
On Saturday 20 December 2014 20:05:43 Patrick Wiseman wrote: On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Gary Dale garyd...@torfree.net wrote: On 20/12/14 02:15 PM, Doug wrote: On 12/20/2014 12:17 PM, Gary Dale wrote: On 17/12/14 11:35 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: Who said anything about running windows? The only windows I have are made of glass lol. Although a virtual dos machine might be interesting if I find anything over much to do with Linux. Thanks for the giggle, Kare OK, but you can set up a UNIX virtual machine. Worst case would be needing qemu to emulate whatever processor your WP51 version was set up for. Still don't know what you have against LibreOffice. It's almost certainly superior to WP51 in every significant way. At least she doesn't have to worry about Styles. Most people do not need a QuarkXpress or MS Publisher, and that's what LO is trying to be. Just like those expensive commercial programs, anyone who uses LO (or OO) will either have to read and learn a lot of instructions or find a different solution. My solution is TextMaker from SoftMaker, which has a free version for non-commercial use, and which seems to have just about all the features of the paid version. (I have no pecuniary interest in SoftMaker, a German firm.) --doug Funny but I never had to learn about styles. However they are handier than applying individual attributes to common elements. And while LibreOffice is quite powerful, it's not Scribus nor Scribus-like by any stretch. It's just a modern, feature-rich word processor. That means allowing people to use styles when they want to or ignoring them when they don't. By way of example, flush-right-with-dot-leader is trivial in WP8 (the native WP for Linux), impossible in LibreOffice without a style which is absurdly difficult to create. What does that mean, and why would one want to do it? Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201412202025.13652.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?
On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 3:25 PM, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday 20 December 2014 20:05:43 Patrick Wiseman wrote: On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Gary Dale garyd...@torfree.net wrote: On 20/12/14 02:15 PM, Doug wrote: On 12/20/2014 12:17 PM, Gary Dale wrote: On 17/12/14 11:35 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: Who said anything about running windows? The only windows I have are made of glass lol. Although a virtual dos machine might be interesting if I find anything over much to do with Linux. Thanks for the giggle, Kare OK, but you can set up a UNIX virtual machine. Worst case would be needing qemu to emulate whatever processor your WP51 version was set up for. Still don't know what you have against LibreOffice. It's almost certainly superior to WP51 in every significant way. At least she doesn't have to worry about Styles. Most people do not need a QuarkXpress or MS Publisher, and that's what LO is trying to be. Just like those expensive commercial programs, anyone who uses LO (or OO) will either have to read and learn a lot of instructions or find a different solution. My solution is TextMaker from SoftMaker, which has a free version for non-commercial use, and which seems to have just about all the features of the paid version. (I have no pecuniary interest in SoftMaker, a German firm.) --doug Funny but I never had to learn about styles. However they are handier than applying individual attributes to common elements. And while LibreOffice is quite powerful, it's not Scribus nor Scribus-like by any stretch. It's just a modern, feature-rich word processor. That means allowing people to use styles when they want to or ignoring them when they don't. By way of example, flush-right-with-dot-leader is trivial in WP8 (the native WP for Linux), impossible in LibreOffice without a style which is absurdly difficult to create. What does that mean, and why would one want to do it? It's often used in tables of contents, with the topic on the left, dots to the right , page number at the far right. And it has other uses. In WP8, it was achieved with a keyboard combo (Alt-Shift-F8 if memory serves, which it probably doesn't). Creating a style in Word, OpenOffice or LibreOffice is, as I said, absurdly complicated, to do a very simple thing. Patrick -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cajvvksoeoet9rcdwry08yxowwejnfqndc1txybdefnlamoq...@mail.gmail.com
Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?
On 12/20/2014 02:30 PM, Gary Dale wrote: On 20/12/14 02:15 PM, Doug wrote: On 12/20/2014 12:17 PM, Gary Dale wrote: On 17/12/14 11:35 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: Who said anything about running windows? The only windows I have are made of glass lol. Although a virtual dos machine might be interesting if I find anything over much to do with Linux. Thanks for the giggle, Kare OK, but you can set up a UNIX virtual machine. Worst case would be needing qemu to emulate whatever processor your WP51 version was set up for. Still don't know what you have against LibreOffice. It's almost certainly superior to WP51 in every significant way. At least she doesn't have to worry about Styles. Funny but I never had to learn about styles. However they are handier than applying individual attributes to common elements. And while LibreOffice is quite powerful, it's not Scribus nor Scribus-like by any stretch. It's just a modern, feature-rich word processor. That means allowing people to use styles when they want to or ignoring them when they don't. Not true! You can't even modify an indent without messing with styles. Drove me crazy! --doug -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5495dd81.5090...@optonline.net
Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?
On 20/12/14 03:35 PM, Doug wrote: On 12/20/2014 02:30 PM, Gary Dale wrote: On 20/12/14 02:15 PM, Doug wrote: On 12/20/2014 12:17 PM, Gary Dale wrote: On 17/12/14 11:35 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: Who said anything about running windows? The only windows I have are made of glass lol. Although a virtual dos machine might be interesting if I find anything over much to do with Linux. Thanks for the giggle, Kare OK, but you can set up a UNIX virtual machine. Worst case would be needing qemu to emulate whatever processor your WP51 version was set up for. Still don't know what you have against LibreOffice. It's almost certainly superior to WP51 in every significant way. At least she doesn't have to worry about Styles. Funny but I never had to learn about styles. However they are handier than applying individual attributes to common elements. And while LibreOffice is quite powerful, it's not Scribus nor Scribus-like by any stretch. It's just a modern, feature-rich word processor. That means allowing people to use styles when they want to or ignoring them when they don't. Not true! You can't even modify an indent without messing with styles. Drove me crazy! --doug I just tested that claim and it's false. I did the normal thing - opened format | paragraph and changed the indent. When I was finished writing with that indent, I did the same thing only removing the extra indent. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5495f34c.1040...@torfree.net
Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?
On 20/12/14 03:34 PM, Patrick Wiseman wrote: On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 3:25 PM, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday 20 December 2014 20:05:43 Patrick Wiseman wrote: On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Gary Dale garyd...@torfree.net wrote: On 20/12/14 02:15 PM, Doug wrote: On 12/20/2014 12:17 PM, Gary Dale wrote: On 17/12/14 11:35 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: Who said anything about running windows? The only windows I have are made of glass lol. Although a virtual dos machine might be interesting if I find anything over much to do with Linux. Thanks for the giggle, Kare OK, but you can set up a UNIX virtual machine. Worst case would be needing qemu to emulate whatever processor your WP51 version was set up for. Still don't know what you have against LibreOffice. It's almost certainly superior to WP51 in every significant way. At least she doesn't have to worry about Styles. Most people do not need a QuarkXpress or MS Publisher, and that's what LO is trying to be. Just like those expensive commercial programs, anyone who uses LO (or OO) will either have to read and learn a lot of instructions or find a different solution. My solution is TextMaker from SoftMaker, which has a free version for non-commercial use, and which seems to have just about all the features of the paid version. (I have no pecuniary interest in SoftMaker, a German firm.) --doug Funny but I never had to learn about styles. However they are handier than applying individual attributes to common elements. And while LibreOffice is quite powerful, it's not Scribus nor Scribus-like by any stretch. It's just a modern, feature-rich word processor. That means allowing people to use styles when they want to or ignoring them when they don't. By way of example, flush-right-with-dot-leader is trivial in WP8 (the native WP for Linux), impossible in LibreOffice without a style which is absurdly difficult to create. What does that mean, and why would one want to do it? It's often used in tables of contents, with the topic on the left, dots to the right , page number at the far right. And it has other uses. In WP8, it was achieved with a keyboard combo (Alt-Shift-F8 if memory serves, which it probably doesn't). Creating a style in Word, OpenOffice or LibreOffice is, as I said, absurdly complicated, to do a very simple thing. Patrick That's just a matter of inserting the . fill character between the topic name and the page number. You can do it manually by entering the topic name, tabbing over to the right-aligned page number using . as the fill character. You don't need styles. You just need to format the paragraph that way. You can automate it if you want, but probably not worth it if you don't have a lot of topics to enter. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5495f784.8010...@torfree.net
Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?
On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 5:26 PM, Gary Dale garyd...@torfree.net wrote: On 20/12/14 03:34 PM, Patrick Wiseman wrote: On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 3:25 PM, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday 20 December 2014 20:05:43 Patrick Wiseman wrote: On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Gary Dale garyd...@torfree.net wrote: On 20/12/14 02:15 PM, Doug wrote: On 12/20/2014 12:17 PM, Gary Dale wrote: On 17/12/14 11:35 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: Who said anything about running windows? The only windows I have are made of glass lol. Although a virtual dos machine might be interesting if I find anything over much to do with Linux. Thanks for the giggle, Kare OK, but you can set up a UNIX virtual machine. Worst case would be needing qemu to emulate whatever processor your WP51 version was set up for. Still don't know what you have against LibreOffice. It's almost certainly superior to WP51 in every significant way. At least she doesn't have to worry about Styles. Most people do not need a QuarkXpress or MS Publisher, and that's what LO is trying to be. Just like those expensive commercial programs, anyone who uses LO (or OO) will either have to read and learn a lot of instructions or find a different solution. My solution is TextMaker from SoftMaker, which has a free version for non-commercial use, and which seems to have just about all the features of the paid version. (I have no pecuniary interest in SoftMaker, a German firm.) --doug Funny but I never had to learn about styles. However they are handier than applying individual attributes to common elements. And while LibreOffice is quite powerful, it's not Scribus nor Scribus-like by any stretch. It's just a modern, feature-rich word processor. That means allowing people to use styles when they want to or ignoring them when they don't. By way of example, flush-right-with-dot-leader is trivial in WP8 (the native WP for Linux), impossible in LibreOffice without a style which is absurdly difficult to create. What does that mean, and why would one want to do it? It's often used in tables of contents, with the topic on the left, dots to the right , page number at the far right. And it has other uses. In WP8, it was achieved with a keyboard combo (Alt-Shift-F8 if memory serves, which it probably doesn't). Creating a style in Word, OpenOffice or LibreOffice is, as I said, absurdly complicated, to do a very simple thing. Patrick That's just a matter of inserting the . fill character between the topic name and the page number. You can do it manually by entering the topic name, tabbing over to the right-aligned page number using . as the fill character. Just a matter of doing that? How do I make . the fill character for tabs? It's by no means self evident, because I just went through every menu looking for it. Came across Format, Paragraph, Tabs, Fill Character, chose '...', clicked OK, returned to my document, tabbed and ... nothing. No dots, just blank tabs. So I guess I missed a non-obvious step.[Libre|Open]Office is one of the least intuitive programs I have ever used (largely because it follows Word's lead). Compared with WP, it's total crap. Patrick -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAJVvKsNN8ASKB03JfMJE=lswxgufu9cuwpng8ymhwls8gvb...@mail.gmail.com
Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?
On 20/12/14 06:05 PM, Patrick Wiseman wrote: Sorry, meant to send that to Debian user; will do so now, so ignore until it arrives that way. On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 6:04 PM, Patrick Wiseman pwise...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 5:26 PM, Gary Dale garyd...@torfree.net wrote: On 20/12/14 03:34 PM, Patrick Wiseman wrote: On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 3:25 PM, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday 20 December 2014 20:05:43 Patrick Wiseman wrote: On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Gary Dale garyd...@torfree.net wrote: On 20/12/14 02:15 PM, Doug wrote: On 12/20/2014 12:17 PM, Gary Dale wrote: On 17/12/14 11:35 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: Who said anything about running windows? The only windows I have are made of glass lol. Although a virtual dos machine might be interesting if I find anything over much to do with Linux. Thanks for the giggle, Kare OK, but you can set up a UNIX virtual machine. Worst case would be needing qemu to emulate whatever processor your WP51 version was set up for. Still don't know what you have against LibreOffice. It's almost certainly superior to WP51 in every significant way. At least she doesn't have to worry about Styles. Most people do not need a QuarkXpress or MS Publisher, and that's what LO is trying to be. Just like those expensive commercial programs, anyone who uses LO (or OO) will either have to read and learn a lot of instructions or find a different solution. My solution is TextMaker from SoftMaker, which has a free version for non-commercial use, and which seems to have just about all the features of the paid version. (I have no pecuniary interest in SoftMaker, a German firm.) --doug Funny but I never had to learn about styles. However they are handier than applying individual attributes to common elements. And while LibreOffice is quite powerful, it's not Scribus nor Scribus-like by any stretch. It's just a modern, feature-rich word processor. That means allowing people to use styles when they want to or ignoring them when they don't. By way of example, flush-right-with-dot-leader is trivial in WP8 (the native WP for Linux), impossible in LibreOffice without a style which is absurdly difficult to create. What does that mean, and why would one want to do it? It's often used in tables of contents, with the topic on the left, dots to the right , page number at the far right. And it has other uses. In WP8, it was achieved with a keyboard combo (Alt-Shift-F8 if memory serves, which it probably doesn't). Creating a style in Word, OpenOffice or LibreOffice is, as I said, absurdly complicated, to do a very simple thing. Patrick That's just a matter of inserting the . fill character between the topic name and the page number. You can do it manually by entering the topic name, tabbing over to the right-aligned page number using . as the fill character. Just a matter of doing that? How do I make . the fill character for tabs? It's by no means self evident, because I just went through every menu looking for it. Came across Format, Paragraph, Tabs, Fill Character, chose '...', clicked OK, returned to my document, tabbed and ... nothing. No dots, just blank tabs. So I guess I missed a non-obvious step.[Libre|Open]Office is one of the least intuitive programs I have ever used (largely because it follows Word's lead). Compared with WP, it's total crap. Patrick Perhaps non-obvious is in the eyes of the beholder. The steps are simple: 1) select the entire table, 2) go to format | paragraph | tabs and set the fill character, then 3) define the tab - in this case perhaps right-justified at 6 4) return to your table of contents and position the cursor before the first page number, 5) hit tab, 6) repeat for remaining topics. I thought it was relatively simple. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54960399.70...@torfree.net
Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?
On 20/12/14 06:17 PM, Gary Dale wrote: On 20/12/14 06:05 PM, Patrick Wiseman wrote: Sorry, meant to send that to Debian user; will do so now, so ignore until it arrives that way. On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 6:04 PM, Patrick Wiseman pwise...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 5:26 PM, Gary Dale garyd...@torfree.net wrote: On 20/12/14 03:34 PM, Patrick Wiseman wrote: On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 3:25 PM, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday 20 December 2014 20:05:43 Patrick Wiseman wrote: On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Gary Dale garyd...@torfree.net wrote: On 20/12/14 02:15 PM, Doug wrote: On 12/20/2014 12:17 PM, Gary Dale wrote: On 17/12/14 11:35 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: Who said anything about running windows? The only windows I have are made of glass lol. Although a virtual dos machine might be interesting if I find anything over much to do with Linux. Thanks for the giggle, Kare OK, but you can set up a UNIX virtual machine. Worst case would be needing qemu to emulate whatever processor your WP51 version was set up for. Still don't know what you have against LibreOffice. It's almost certainly superior to WP51 in every significant way. At least she doesn't have to worry about Styles. Most people do not need a QuarkXpress or MS Publisher, and that's what LO is trying to be. Just like those expensive commercial programs, anyone who uses LO (or OO) will either have to read and learn a lot of instructions or find a different solution. My solution is TextMaker from SoftMaker, which has a free version for non-commercial use, and which seems to have just about all the features of the paid version. (I have no pecuniary interest in SoftMaker, a German firm.) --doug Funny but I never had to learn about styles. However they are handier than applying individual attributes to common elements. And while LibreOffice is quite powerful, it's not Scribus nor Scribus-like by any stretch. It's just a modern, feature-rich word processor. That means allowing people to use styles when they want to or ignoring them when they don't. By way of example, flush-right-with-dot-leader is trivial in WP8 (the native WP for Linux), impossible in LibreOffice without a style which is absurdly difficult to create. What does that mean, and why would one want to do it? It's often used in tables of contents, with the topic on the left, dots to the right , page number at the far right. And it has other uses. In WP8, it was achieved with a keyboard combo (Alt-Shift-F8 if memory serves, which it probably doesn't). Creating a style in Word, OpenOffice or LibreOffice is, as I said, absurdly complicated, to do a very simple thing. Patrick That's just a matter of inserting the . fill character between the topic name and the page number. You can do it manually by entering the topic name, tabbing over to the right-aligned page number using . as the fill character. Just a matter of doing that? How do I make . the fill character for tabs? It's by no means self evident, because I just went through every menu looking for it. Came across Format, Paragraph, Tabs, Fill Character, chose '...', clicked OK, returned to my document, tabbed and ... nothing. No dots, just blank tabs. So I guess I missed a non-obvious step.[Libre|Open]Office is one of the least intuitive programs I have ever used (largely because it follows Word's lead). Compared with WP, it's total crap. Patrick Perhaps non-obvious is in the eyes of the beholder. The steps are simple: 1) select the entire table, 2) go to format | paragraph | tabs and set the fill character, then 3) define the tab - in this case perhaps right-justified at 6 4) return to your table of contents and position the cursor before the first page number, 5) hit tab, 6) repeat for remaining topics. I thought it was relatively simple. BTW: you do have to hit new to actually create the tab. It then appears in the column of defined tabs. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54960416.5000...@torfree.net
Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?
On Saturday 20 December 2014 23:19:50 Gary Dale wrote: On 20/12/14 06:17 PM, Gary Dale wrote: On 20/12/14 06:05 PM, Patrick Wiseman wrote: [snip] Why do we all have to like the same word processor? Lisi P.S. Sorry, Gary for the off-list just now. It wasn't aimed only at you and should tehrefore definitely not have come privately. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201412202352.02020.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?
Entertaining thread..cool. Long time since I read a WP, reveal codes, styles dust up :-) I still use WP8 in a NT4 vbox instance for a couple of tasks..I absolutely will not give up, I too miss the dot leader feature for my table of contents. I miss this feature, and a few more. I use the table function almost exclusively, full page tables mixed cell formatting, this is a pain with styles ala LO AOO. The compelling part to AOO LO is the freedom and ease of archiving my business docs. peace, Greg On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 11:05 AM, Patrick Wiseman pwise...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Gary Dale garyd...@torfree.net wrote: On 20/12/14 02:15 PM, Doug wrote: On 12/20/2014 12:17 PM, Gary Dale wrote: On 17/12/14 11:35 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: Who said anything about running windows? The only windows I have are made of glass lol. Although a virtual dos machine might be interesting if I find anything over much to do with Linux. Thanks for the giggle, Kare OK, but you can set up a UNIX virtual machine. Worst case would be needing qemu to emulate whatever processor your WP51 version was set up for. Still don't know what you have against LibreOffice. It's almost certainly superior to WP51 in every significant way. At least she doesn't have to worry about Styles. Most people do not need a QuarkXpress or MS Publisher, and that's what LO is trying to be. Just like those expensive commercial programs, anyone who uses LO (or OO) will either have to read and learn a lot of instructions or find a different solution. My solution is TextMaker from SoftMaker, which has a free version for non-commercial use, and which seems to have just about all the features of the paid version. (I have no pecuniary interest in SoftMaker, a German firm.) --doug Funny but I never had to learn about styles. However they are handier than applying individual attributes to common elements. And while LibreOffice is quite powerful, it's not Scribus nor Scribus-like by any stretch. It's just a modern, feature-rich word processor. That means allowing people to use styles when they want to or ignoring them when they don't. By way of example, flush-right-with-dot-leader is trivial in WP8 (the native WP for Linux), impossible in LibreOffice without a style which is absurdly difficult to create. Patrick -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cajvvksnqh2ghtbxfpzh7j_okubvuk+vlgfen3tgvgozn9-s...@mail.gmail.com -- Peace Greg Madden
Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?
On Sat, 20 Dec 2014, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Saturday 20 December 2014 23:19:50 Gary Dale wrote: On 20/12/14 06:17 PM, Gary Dale wrote: On 20/12/14 06:05 PM, Patrick Wiseman wrote: [snip] Why do we all have to like the same word processor? Indeed. And some of us actually like *document* processors (best example in Debian: lyx) for extremely consistent output (and IMHO, much higher productivity). There is an entire world out there of text processing that decouples presentation from content... -- One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond where the shadows lie. -- The Silicon Valley Tarot Henrique Holschuh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141221011350.ga28...@khazad-dum.debian.net
Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?
I seem to recall making this point when i shared that while I respect the *personal* computing choices of others, I need not emulate them. In fact I never asked for word processing suggestions at all. Mine, works, for, me...and I think the rich thing about computing is the freedom to use what works for you. What is making me smile besides the useless discussion comment from Curt, is the insistence, on a list that focuses on building computer programs from source, and where individual contributions are encouraged...is the suggestion that anyone at all has to use the same word processor. That and the idea that anyone can decide what is superior for another person's computer choices. I picked this note at random because I was surprised so many were still talking about this. It is called personal computer for a reason. i honor your idea of personal for you, may you , and you know who you are, learn to do the same. Kare On Sat, 20 Dec 2014, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Sat, 20 Dec 2014, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Saturday 20 December 2014 23:19:50 Gary Dale wrote: On 20/12/14 06:17 PM, Gary Dale wrote: On 20/12/14 06:05 PM, Patrick Wiseman wrote: [snip] Why do we all have to like the same word processor? Indeed. And some of us actually like *document* processors (best example in Debian: lyx) for extremely consistent output (and IMHO, much higher productivity). There is an entire world out there of text processing that decouples presentation from content... -- One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond where the shadows lie. -- The Silicon Valley Tarot Henrique Holschuh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141221011350.ga28...@khazad-dum.debian.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/pine.bsf.4.64.1412202019470.40...@server1.shellworld.net
Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?
On Sunday, December 21, 2014 4:40:04 AM UTC+5:30, Patrick Wiseman wrote: Just a matter of doing that? How do I make . the fill character for tabs? It's by no means self evident, because I just went through every menu looking for it. Came across Format, Paragraph, Tabs, Fill Character, chose '...', clicked OK, returned to my document, tabbed and ... nothing. No dots, just blank tabs. So I guess I missed a non-obvious step.[Libre|Open]Office is one of the least intuitive programs I have ever used (largely because it follows Word's lead). Compared with WP, it's total crap. Just yesterday struggling with making a presentation with LO Impress. There are some 3 dozen toolbars of which I was looking for some. The online docs give one line of text for each -- no icon. https://help.libreoffice.org/Draw/Toolbars So the only way to figure which is 9say) the drawing toolbar is to keep on turning it on and off in the menu and squint to see what part of the screen changes. Quite a chore given how noisy the screen is In short: No MS fan here however MS Office is way better documented than LO. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/dc20c7e5-f26c-41a5-b040-7f88c541c...@googlegroups.com
Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?
On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 8:28 PM, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote: I seem to recall making this point when i shared that while I respect the *personal* computing choices of others, I need not emulate them. In fact I never asked for word processing suggestions at all. Mine, works, for, me...and I think the rich thing about computing is the freedom to use what works for you. What is making me smile besides the useless discussion comment from Curt, is the insistence, on a list that focuses on building computer programs from source, and where individual contributions are encouraged...is the suggestion that anyone at all has to use the same word processor. That and the idea that anyone can decide what is superior for another person's computer choices. I don't recall anyone in this thread suggesting that. (So if the comment is aimed my way, it's misfired.) Patrick -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cajvvksp5ephkhvcb6us5zgcudvok1j2j-5a_b2g48j+yvma...@mail.gmail.com
Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?
Not you Patrick, someone else. I am sort of quoting I still do not know what you have against whatever they were suggesting it is far superior to wordperfect. Odd idea about a virtual machine too. The is far superior is the sort of thing I mean. Especially when so many others have reasons to appreciate their own word processor preferences. Kare On Sat, 20 Dec 2014, Patrick Wiseman wrote: On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 8:28 PM, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote: I seem to recall making this point when i shared that while I respect the *personal* computing choices of others, I need not emulate them. In fact I never asked for word processing suggestions at all. Mine, works, for, me...and I think the rich thing about computing is the freedom to use what works for you. What is making me smile besides the useless discussion comment from Curt, is the insistence, on a list that focuses on building computer programs from source, and where individual contributions are encouraged...is the suggestion that anyone at all has to use the same word processor. That and the idea that anyone can decide what is superior for another person's computer choices. I don't recall anyone in this thread suggesting that. (So if the comment is aimed my way, it's misfired.) Patrick -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cajvvksp5ephkhvcb6us5zgcudvok1j2j-5a_b2g48j+yvma...@mail.gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/pine.bsf.4.64.1412202216380.43...@server1.shellworld.net
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On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote: Not you Patrick, someone else. I am sort of quoting I still do not know what you have against whatever they were suggesting it is far superior to wordperfect. Odd idea about a virtual machine too. The is far superior is the sort of thing I mean. Especially when so many others have reasons to appreciate their own word processor preferences. OK, got it, and in full agreement :) Patrick -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAJVvKsNPP-x3CeNGzO2QjBpH-dP1w-dgqHPy=u4-lnmqr1u...@mail.gmail.com
Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?
On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 05:28:00PM -0800, Rusi Mody wrote: Just yesterday struggling with making a presentation with LO Impress. There are some 3 dozen toolbars of which I was looking for some. The online docs give one line of text for each -- no icon. https://help.libreoffice.org/Draw/Toolbars So the only way to figure which is 9say) the drawing toolbar is to keep on turning it on and off in the menu and squint to see what part of the screen changes. Quite a chore given how noisy the screen is In short: No MS fan here however MS Office is way better documented than LO. Seconded. I used to design software interfaces, and I'd be totally embarassed by OOo, especially Impress with its commands scattered inconsistently and without a schema among two kinds of menus and two different types of toolbar. What a mess. -- Carl Fink nitpick...@nitpicking.com Read my blog at blog.nitpicking.com. Reviews! Observations! Stupid mistakes you can correct! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141221033734.gb28...@panix.com
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On Sat, 20 Dec 2014 18:20:02 +0100 Gary Dale garyd...@torfree.net wrote: Still don't know what you have against LibreOffice. It's almost certainly superior to WP51 in every significant way. WP5.1 users have to have 'reveal codes' or they can't use anything else. -- CK -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cfmuupfi7d...@mid.individual.net
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On 12/20/2014 11:00 PM, Charles Kroeger wrote: On Sat, 20 Dec 2014 18:20:02 +0100 Gary Dale garyd...@torfree.net wrote: Still don't know what you have against LibreOffice. It's almost certainly superior to WP51 in every significant way. WP5.1 users have to have 'reveal codes' or they can't use anything else. Don't know about 5.1--that's too old for me to remember, altho I did use it at one time. But Reveal Codes is a really useful tool, and AFAIK, you don't _have_ to use it. The other thing that's really nice is the ^w feature, that brings up 10 windows (one at a time) full of all kinds of odd-ball characters, some that you can't get on the Compose key--or you would probably have to look up. Interestingly, Microsoft copied that verbatim in one of the versions of MS Word! Then they dropped it. Maybe the WP folks sued them? (IIRC, 5.1 is not a graphic program. I think it competed with a non-graphic MS Word, and WordStar. I used WordStar on CPM and then on DOS until I discovered WordPerfect. Even after WordStar disappeared as a word processor, Turbo Pascal used its conventions in programming. [I wish we still had Turbo Pascal--the earlier version without all the added nonsense!]) --doug -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54965d9f.7010...@optonline.net
Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2014-12-18 00:01, Morten Bo Johansen wrote: On 2014-12-17 Karen Lewellen wrote: I have a still in the package copy of wordperfect 5.1 for UNIX. I got this because wordperfect is my main word processor on my primary computer and I would welcome, if at all possible, to use it with Linux as well. Is there any reason why the program cannot be installed on a machine running Debian squeeze? If you could somehow get hold of a copy of WP 5.1 for Dos, I used that with good results under Dosemu -- many, many years ago. ;) Morten When WP 5.1 was the Queen of word processors it was my word processor of choice. Some thirty years ago when I was in graduate school I used is exclusively. I continued to use it until the early 2000s but not nearly as intensively. Also in the early 2000s I started to wean myself from Microsoft. Part of the weaning was to move gradually to FOSS word processors, based on the open office format (ODF) (1), especially LibreOffice and its predecessors. There was quite a steep learning curve, but once I learned the ODF system I did not want to go back to anything else. These days almost all word processors use the ODF. Transfer of documents between the twenty or so word processors, etc., for example from a MS Word .docx file to a LibreOffice .odt file and the reverse, is well nigh effortless. I nevertheless still have Dosemu with WP 5.1 for DOS installed in my Wheezy computer. I can use it if I have to for access to what I wrote way back then. But where I need to lift texts from what I wrote in the 1980s for inclusion in something I am writing now, I import such texts to LibreOffice and reformat them. Doing so I find less time consuming than trying to remember the ways of WP 5.1. WP still exists. The current version is X7 which has its devotees. It is however still proprietary, and what still exists for Linux is the Microsoft version on top of Wine.(2) For reasons already stated I strongly recommend anyone still wedded to WP to convert to a word processor using the ODF. (1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument (2) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WordPerfect Regards, Ken -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlSUVoMACgkQlNlJzOkJmTdpVQCdELnbqbIhIss+E6aKIX5rVBtv TpkAn385N2/V7E1zhcZp/aUmPH9EMS4y =hCBP -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54945683.10...@teksavvy.com
Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?
Hi all, I appreciate all the suggestions, those on point recommending for example I ask the Dutch debian project about wp. Those far from on point suggestion I switch when I stated I was only seeking logistics. I use dos daily and on my machine have wp5.1, which I almost never use, and wp6.0 and 6.2 which I use many many times a day. The richness about a personal computer is just that it is personal. My choices work for me, and I am more than willing to respect the choices of others, even if I have zero need or desire to emulate them. Thanks again for the comments, I consider this thread to be closed, at least for me. Karen On Fri, 19 Dec 2014, Ken Heard wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2014-12-18 00:01, Morten Bo Johansen wrote: On 2014-12-17 Karen Lewellen wrote: I have a still in the package copy of wordperfect 5.1 for UNIX. I got this because wordperfect is my main word processor on my primary computer and I would welcome, if at all possible, to use it with Linux as well. Is there any reason why the program cannot be installed on a machine running Debian squeeze? If you could somehow get hold of a copy of WP 5.1 for Dos, I used that with good results under Dosemu -- many, many years ago. ;) Morten When WP 5.1 was the Queen of word processors it was my word processor of choice. Some thirty years ago when I was in graduate school I used is exclusively. I continued to use it until the early 2000s but not nearly as intensively. Also in the early 2000s I started to wean myself from Microsoft. Part of the weaning was to move gradually to FOSS word processors, based on the open office format (ODF) (1), especially LibreOffice and its predecessors. There was quite a steep learning curve, but once I learned the ODF system I did not want to go back to anything else. These days almost all word processors use the ODF. Transfer of documents between the twenty or so word processors, etc., for example from a MS Word .docx file to a LibreOffice .odt file and the reverse, is well nigh effortless. I nevertheless still have Dosemu with WP 5.1 for DOS installed in my Wheezy computer. I can use it if I have to for access to what I wrote way back then. But where I need to lift texts from what I wrote in the 1980s for inclusion in something I am writing now, I import such texts to LibreOffice and reformat them. Doing so I find less time consuming than trying to remember the ways of WP 5.1. WP still exists. The current version is X7 which has its devotees. It is however still proprietary, and what still exists for Linux is the Microsoft version on top of Wine.(2) For reasons already stated I strongly recommend anyone still wedded to WP to convert to a word processor using the ODF. (1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument (2) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WordPerfect Regards, Ken -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlSUVoMACgkQlNlJzOkJmTdpVQCdELnbqbIhIss+E6aKIX5rVBtv TpkAn385N2/V7E1zhcZp/aUmPH9EMS4y =hCBP -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54945683.10...@teksavvy.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/pine.bsf.4.64.1412191213250.89...@server1.shellworld.net
Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?
On 2014-12-19, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote: My choices work for me, and I am more than willing to respect the choices of others, even if I have zero need or desire to emulate them. Thanks again for the comments, I consider this thread to be closed, at least for me. I don't think anyone was requiring or requesting your emulation. I'm keeping this thread *open* for the usual useless bickering. Happy Holidays, Curt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/slrnm98uog.4r1.cu...@einstein.electron.org
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On 12/19/2014 02:22 PM, Curt wrote: On 2014-12-19, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote: My choices work for me, and I am more than willing to respect the choices of others, even if I have zero need or desire to emulate them. Thanks again for the comments, I consider this thread to be closed, at least for me. I don't think anyone was requiring or requesting your emulation. I'm keeping this thread *open* for the usual useless bickering. Happy Holidays, Curt I disagree strongly that the bickering is useless -- unless, of course, it is emulated bickering. Speaking of which, I saw an emu the other day. Can anyone explain how an emu differs from a dosemu? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54947f8f.3010...@comcast.net
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hm whatever deepens your sense of self lol! Happy Holidays to you and everyone, Kare On Fri, 19 Dec 2014, Curt wrote: On 2014-12-19, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote: My choices work for me, and I am more than willing to respect the choices of others, even if I have zero need or desire to emulate them. Thanks again for the comments, I consider this thread to be closed, at least for me. I don't think anyone was requiring or requesting your emulation. I'm keeping this thread *open* for the usual useless bickering. Happy Holidays, Curt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/slrnm98uog.4r1.cu...@einstein.electron.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/pine.bsf.4.64.1412191648001.98...@server1.shellworld.net
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On 12/19/2014 02:42 PM, Jape Person wrote: On 12/19/2014 02:22 PM, Curt wrote: On 2014-12-19, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote: My choices work for me, and I am more than willing to respect the choices of others, even if I have zero need or desire to emulate them. Thanks again for the comments, I consider this thread to be closed, at least for me. I don't think anyone was requiring or requesting your emulation. I'm keeping this thread *open* for the usual useless bickering. Happy Holidays, Curt I disagree strongly that the bickering is useless -- unless, of course, it is emulated bickering. Speaking of which, I saw an emu the other day. Can anyone explain how an emu differs from a dosemu? The lack of horns. :) Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome. R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54949f06.4030...@gmail.com
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On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 11:46:59PM +0700, Ken Heard wrote: These days almost all word processors use the ODF. Transfer of documents between the twenty or so word processors, etc., for example from a MS Word .docx file to a LibreOffice .odt file and the reverse, is well nigh effortless. If only everyone else was so lucky. :( -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141220023501.GE1475@tal
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On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 04:49:04PM -0500, Karen Lewellen wrote: hm whatever deepens your sense of self lol! Happy Holidays to you and everyone, Don't forget to have a Merry christmas! -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141220024127.GG1475@tal
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On 12/19/2014 09:41 PM, Chris Bannister wrote: On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 04:49:04PM -0500, Karen Lewellen wrote: hm whatever deepens your sense of self lol! Happy Holidays to you and everyone, Don't forget to have a Merry christmas! Chris, I'm looking forward to a change in my meds! Merry Pharmaceutical Xmas! Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome. R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5494f478.2020...@gmail.com
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On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 11:00:56PM -0500, Ric Moore wrote: On 12/19/2014 09:41 PM, Chris Bannister wrote: On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 04:49:04PM -0500, Karen Lewellen wrote: hm whatever deepens your sense of self lol! Happy Holidays to you and everyone, Don't forget to have a Merry christmas! Chris, I'm looking forward to a change in my meds! Merry Pharmaceutical Xmas! Ric You too! If you happen to take your holidays at the same time, then enjoy them as well. :) -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141220053403.GC7132@tal
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On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 2:57 PM, Rusi Mody rustompm...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 11:00:03 AM UTC+5:30, Doug wrote: On 12/16/2014 11:34 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: YOu know? I need to check this edition then, because it is far more current than 1995 I am sure. Kare Ok, I was guessing 1995, it was later. I found my copy of Corel WordPerfect 8 for Linux, Personal Edition. The disk is copyright 1998. If you have a version for Unix, it might never have run on Linux at all. If you have some kind of Unix, you could always try it and see what happens. There are various BCD versions around, which will supposedly run on a PC. I installed PCBCD, but I couldn't get it to boot on a multi-boot system, and I don't have a spare PC to try it on. In spite of the fact that I never throw anything out, I can't find the copy of Solaris I was going to offer you. It came from about 2000. If you know what kind of Unix the WP was made for, and what year, I bet you can find a Unix that will run it, on eBay, or Amazon. Most Unixes were not free, however. Maybe the obsolescent ones are at least reasonable! And, of course, most Unixes did not run on PCs, but some did--the Solaris I had would. If by chance I find it, I'll let you know. --doug At least some versions seem to run on crossover https://www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/search?name=Wordperfectsearch=app So maybe wine as well Back in the mid-to-late 1980s, WordPerfect was running native on quite a large number of Unix OSses. It was known as a cross-platform word processor. And the company was still small enough to care about things like that, too. WordPerfect Corp getting to big did as much damage as the failure to adjust the Mac version to the Mac environment, and was probably what made the company weak enough for Microsoft to launch a sucessful attack. -- Joel Rees Be careful when you look at conspiracy. Look first in your own heart, and ask yourself if you are not your own worst enemy. Arm yourself with knowledge of yourself, as well. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/caar43ip5gzbcorqcm5wrl3k2htb_jxbqge5pku+gactvdyp...@mail.gmail.com
Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?
Hi again, I appreciate all You provided in this exchange. Please do not go to over much trouble. as I use wp every single day on my main computer, and only had a desire to find something I might personally do with my Debian box, I will not lose anything if by chance my copy will only run in a Unix structure. I am not bothered paying for what I consider a worth while professional investment, weather financially or in energy. It may be a fun experiment, but not a critical requirement. Kare On Wed, 17 Dec 2014, Doug wrote: On 12/16/2014 11:34 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: YOu know? I need to check this edition then, because it is far more current than 1995 I am sure. Kare Ok, I was guessing 1995, it was later. I found my copy of Corel WordPerfect 8 for Linux, Personal Edition. The disk is copyright 1998. If you have a version for Unix, it might never have run on Linux at all. If you have some kind of Unix, you could always try it and see what happens. There are various BCD versions around, which will supposedly run on a PC. I installed PCBCD, but I couldn't get it to boot on a multi-boot system, and I don't have a spare PC to try it on. In spite of the fact that I never throw anything out, I can't find the copy of Solaris I was going to offer you. It came from about 2000. If you know what kind of Unix the WP was made for, and what year, I bet you can find a Unix that will run it, on eBay, or Amazon. Most Unixes were not free, however. Maybe the obsolescent ones are at least reasonable! And, of course, most Unixes did not run on PCs, but some did--the Solaris I had would. If by chance I find it, I'll let you know. --doug -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54911461.2050...@optonline.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/pine.bsf.4.64.1412170831160.11...@server1.shellworld.net
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I still have the fourteen years old CDs of the Corel Linux distribution, which came with WordPerfect. Re-installed it a couple months ago so I could print some old WP for DOS documents I had, which did not format properly in more recent versions, or under LibreOffice. Had to dig out an old Pentium II box, as the install would not work on more recent hardware ;-3( Seems you can still find it for download on the net. Cheers, Ron. -- Behind every successful man there stands a woman, telling him he is wrong. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141217103541.4cf75...@ron.cerrocora.org
Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 12:44 PM, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote: Greetings everyone, I have a still in the package copy of wordperfect 5.1 for UNIX. Which Unix? Which hardware vendor/CPU? I got this because wordperfect is my main word processor on my primary computer and I would welcome, if at all possible, to use it with Linux as well. The Linux version that got dropped has been mentioned. Is there any reason why the program cannot be installed on a machine running Debian squeeze? It's a different OS, may well be a different CPU. You would need to have an emulator to emulate the OS, and probably the CPU, as well. It would be nice if such an emulator existed, but I doubt it. Writing an emulator is hard work and takes a fair mount of time. My interest is in logistics, as I realize the software may be better suited for networks, not individual computers. Thanks, Karen Worderfect 5 for the old classic Mac OS might run under one of the Macintosh emulators. Wine Is Not an Emulator, but it does something sort of like emulation and allows some older versions of WordPerfect for DOS or MSWindows OS x86 to run on Linux, as has been mentioned. Not very satisfactory, however. Better option is to set up a virtual machine (another kind of emulator, really) to run MSWindows in and run a recent version of WordPerfect MSWindows version in the virtual machine. QEMU, Xen, and some other VMs exist. -- Joel Rees Be careful when you look at conspiracy.1 Look first in your own heart, and ask yourself if you are not your own worst enemy. Arm yourself with knowledge of yourself, as well. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/caar43ioybjuygoxqyygqu0lr8sr9dte+wxdbabvl8njxt_l...@mail.gmail.com
Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?
Op 17-12-14 om 04:44 schreef Karen Lewellen: Greetings everyone, I have a still in the package copy of wordperfect 5.1 for UNIX. I got this because wordperfect is my main word processor on my primary computer and I would welcome, if at all possible, to use it with Linux as well. Is there any reason why the program cannot be installed on a machine running Debian squeeze? My interest is in logistics, as I realize the software may be better suited for networks, not individual computers. Thanks, Karen I know the guys from Dutch Debian Distribution Initiative are selling a Debian extra DVD with the 'free edition of WordPerfect 8 for Linux'. Maybe you can ask them what that is: http://dddi.nl/neword_en.html (search for WordPerfect). With regards, Paul van der Vlis. -- Paul van der Vlis Linux systeembeheer, Groningen http://www.vandervlis.nl -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54918bec.2060...@vandervlis.nl
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Doug: Karen Lewellen: Doug: There was once (around 1995?) a WordPerfect version for Linux. It worked, but it had terrible fonts. It has not been possible to install that for at least the past 4 years, and probably longer, as the dependencies can no longer be met. YOu know? I need to check this edition then, because it is far more current than 1995 I am sure. Kare Ok, I was guessing 1995, it was later. I found my copy of Corel WordPerfect 8 for Linux, Personal Edition. The disk is copyright 1998. You might find this site about using WP on Linux interesting: http://xwp8users.com/ There's a section about running WP8 on current Debian-based distros. And the corel.WordPerfect_Linux newsgroup at the cnews.corel.com server still exists. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141217171230.ae5bc6ccabf74fe5b416d...@kpnplanet.nl
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On 2014-12-17 Karen Lewellen wrote: I have a still in the package copy of wordperfect 5.1 for UNIX. I got this because wordperfect is my main word processor on my primary computer and I would welcome, if at all possible, to use it with Linux as well. Is there any reason why the program cannot be installed on a machine running Debian squeeze? If you could somehow get hold of a copy of WP 5.1 for Dos, I used that with good results under Dosemu -- many, many years ago. ;) Morten -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/slrnm93dno.9u0@gatsby.mbjnet.dk
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On 12/16/2014 11:41 PM, Doug wrote: On 12/16/2014 10:57 PM, Doug wrote: On 12/16/2014 10:44 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: Greetings everyone, I have a still in the package copy of wordperfect 5.1 for UNIX. I got this because wordperfect is my main word processor on my primary computer and I would welcome, if at all possible, to use it with Linux as well. Is there any reason why the program cannot be installed on a machine running Debian squeeze? My interest is in logistics, as I realize the software may be better suited for networks, not individual computers. Thanks, Karen There was once (around 1995?) a WordPerfect version for Linux. It worked, but it had terrible fonts. It has not been possible to install that for at least the past 4 years, and probably longer, as the dependencies can no longer be met. I have WordPerfect12 working on the latest PCLinuxOS KDE, but not the spread sheet. It doesn't look real nice on the screen, and it comes up with some difficulty, but it is usable, if you are stubborn. I also have Corel Draw 9 and the corresponding PhotoPaint working. Both of WP and draw are running in WINE. --doug Just a little follow-up to the last post. I don't like OpenOffice or LibreOffice because I don't like the strait-jacket they put you in. Which is what?? It certainly isn't the price. :/ Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome. R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5491c7ff.7020...@gmail.com
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On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 13:14:23 -0500 Ric Moore sent: snip Just a little follow-up to the last post. I don't like OpenOffice or LibreOffice because I don't like the strait-jacket they put you in. Which is what?? It certainly isn't the price. :/ Ric Actually, I was going to ask that but thought it might be a silly question? So thanks for asking it. Because it would be interesting to know what sort of strait jacket I'm bound into when using LibreOffice. Be well, Charlie -- Registered Linux User:- 329524 *** Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting ...holy shit...what a ride! anon *** Debian GNU/Linux - just the best way to create magic - -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141218114342.0fe73add@taogypsy
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On 12/17/2014 08:58 AM, Paul van der Vlis wrote: Op 17-12-14 om 04:44 schreef Karen Lewellen: Greetings everyone, I have a still in the package copy of wordperfect 5.1 for UNIX. I got this because wordperfect is my main word processor on my primary computer and I would welcome, if at all possible, to use it with Linux as well. Is there any reason why the program cannot be installed on a machine running Debian squeeze? My interest is in logistics, as I realize the software may be better suited for networks, not individual computers. Thanks, Karen I know the guys from Dutch Debian Distribution Initiative are selling a Debian extra DVD with the 'free edition of WordPerfect 8 for Linux'. Maybe you can ask them what that is: http://dddi.nl/neword_en.html (search for WordPerfect). With regards, Paul van der Vlis. If anyone figures out how to get ONLY the EXTRA CD _and_ how to get it shipped to the US, and hopefully for less than €24, I would like very much to know. Please post it in this thread, or send to me directly. Thank you! --doug -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/549225dd.5070...@optonline.net
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On 12/17/2014 01:14 PM, Ric Moore wrote: On 12/16/2014 11:41 PM, Doug wrote: /snip/ Just a little follow-up to the last post. I don't like OpenOffice or LibreOffice because I don't like the strait-jacket they put you in. Which is what?? It certainly isn't the price. :/ Ric I don't want to get into this again. You can't even indent a line or if indented remove it without invoking their preset formats, or styles, or whatever they call them. They can keep it! --doug -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54922a8f.3030...@optonline.net
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On 12/17/2014 07:43 PM, Charlie wrote: On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 13:14:23 -0500 Ric Moore sent: snip Just a little follow-up to the last post. I don't like OpenOffice or LibreOffice because I don't like the strait-jacket they put you in. Which is what?? It certainly isn't the price. :/ Ric Actually, I was going to ask that but thought it might be a silly question? So thanks for asking it. Because it would be interesting to know what sort of strait jacket I'm bound into when using LibreOffice. Hopefully, not one of the rubber ones. They itch. :) Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome. R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54922cdd.40...@gmail.com
Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?
Hi Paul. What an interesting link. thanks for sharing that Dutch project. Karen On Wed, 17 Dec 2014, Doug wrote: On 12/17/2014 08:58 AM, Paul van der Vlis wrote: Op 17-12-14 om 04:44 schreef Karen Lewellen: Greetings everyone, I have a still in the package copy of wordperfect 5.1 for UNIX. I got this because wordperfect is my main word processor on my primary computer and I would welcome, if at all possible, to use it with Linux as well. Is there any reason why the program cannot be installed on a machine running Debian squeeze? My interest is in logistics, as I realize the software may be better suited for networks, not individual computers. Thanks, Karen I know the guys from Dutch Debian Distribution Initiative are selling a Debian extra DVD with the 'free edition of WordPerfect 8 for Linux'. Maybe you can ask them what that is: http://dddi.nl/neword_en.html (search for WordPerfect). With regards, Paul van der Vlis. If anyone figures out how to get ONLY the EXTRA CD _and_ how to get it shipped to the US, and hopefully for less than €24, I would like very much to know. Please post it in this thread, or send to me directly. Thank you! --doug -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/549225dd.5070...@optonline.net
Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?
On 16/12/14 10:44 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: Greetings everyone, I have a still in the package copy of wordperfect 5.1 for UNIX. I got this because wordperfect is my main word processor on my primary computer and I would welcome, if at all possible, to use it with Linux as well. Is there any reason why the program cannot be installed on a machine running Debian squeeze? My interest is in logistics, as I realize the software may be better suited for networks, not individual computers. Thanks, Karen LibreOffice reads WP documents quite well in my experience. However if you want a version running in Linux, just set up a virtual machine and run your primary computer's copy. Wine and its derivatives can generally handle Windows programs but virtual machines provide a pretty good alternative when you want the program to work like it does on Windows. I use KVM myself and find it great for most purposes but when a friend needed something to run AutoCAD, it required Vmware. I think VirtualBox has caught up a bit since then in the area of graphics processors. Way back, I actually used Corel's Linux with WP and found it better than the alternatives at the time. However things have progressed rapidly since then and my advice is to make the switch to LibreOffice. It's cross-platform, current, maintained and uses the ISO standard data formats so you won't be stuck in the future. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/549254c8.1030...@torfree.net
Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?
Who said anything about running windows? The only windows I have are made of glass lol. Although a virtual dos machine might be interesting if I find anything over much to do with Linux. Thanks for the giggle, Kare On Wed, 17 Dec 2014, Gary Dale wrote: On 16/12/14 10:44 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: Greetings everyone, I have a still in the package copy of wordperfect 5.1 for UNIX. I got this because wordperfect is my main word processor on my primary computer and I would welcome, if at all possible, to use it with Linux as well. Is there any reason why the program cannot be installed on a machine running Debian squeeze? My interest is in logistics, as I realize the software may be better suited for networks, not individual computers. Thanks, Karen LibreOffice reads WP documents quite well in my experience. However if you want a version running in Linux, just set up a virtual machine and run your primary computer's copy. Wine and its derivatives can generally handle Windows programs but virtual machines provide a pretty good alternative when you want the program to work like it does on Windows. I use KVM myself and find it great for most purposes but when a friend needed something to run AutoCAD, it required Vmware. I think VirtualBox has caught up a bit since then in the area of graphics processors. Way back, I actually used Corel's Linux with WP and found it better than the alternatives at the time. However things have progressed rapidly since then and my advice is to make the switch to LibreOffice. It's cross-platform, current, maintained and uses the ISO standard data formats so you won't be stuck in the future. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/549254c8.1030...@torfree.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/pine.bsf.4.64.1412172334090.37...@server1.shellworld.net
Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?
On 12/17/2014 11:15 PM, Gary Dale wrote: On 16/12/14 10:44 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: Greetings everyone, I have a still in the package copy of wordperfect 5.1 for UNIX. I got this because wordperfect is my main word processor on my primary computer and I would welcome, if at all possible, to use it with Linux as well. Is there any reason why the program cannot be installed on a machine running Debian squeeze? My interest is in logistics, as I realize the software may be better suited for networks, not individual computers. Thanks, Karen LibreOffice reads WP documents quite well in my experience. However if you want a version running in Linux, just set up a virtual machine and run your primary computer's copy. Wine and its derivatives can generally handle Windows programs but virtual machines provide a pretty good alternative when you want the program to work like it does on Windows. I use KVM myself and find it great for most purposes but when a friend needed something to run AutoCAD, it required Vmware. I think VirtualBox has caught up a bit since then in the area of graphics processors. Way back, I actually used Corel's Linux with WP and found it better than the alternatives at the time. However things have progressed rapidly since then and my advice is to make the switch to LibreOffice. It's cross-platform, current, maintained and uses the ISO standard data formats so you won't be stuck in the future. If you can't tolerate the strictures of LO, take a look at Softmaker Office. I don't know if it reads WordPerfect, but it reads and writes all the modern formats. There's a free version for non-commercial use, and it seems to have just about all the pay version has. Don't know if there is a .deb install version; there is an rpm. There is a word processor, a spreadsheet, and Presentations. --doug -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54926ab3.50...@optonline.net
Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?
On 12/16/2014 10:44 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: Greetings everyone, I have a still in the package copy of wordperfect 5.1 for UNIX. I got this because wordperfect is my main word processor on my primary computer and I would welcome, if at all possible, to use it with Linux as well. Is there any reason why the program cannot be installed on a machine running Debian squeeze? My interest is in logistics, as I realize the software may be better suited for networks, not individual computers. Thanks, Karen There was once (around 1995?) a WordPerfect version for Linux. It worked, but it had terrible fonts. It has not been possible to install that for at least the past 4 years, and probably longer, as the dependencies can no longer be met. I have WordPerfect12 working on the latest PCLinuxOS KDE, but not the spread sheet. It doesn't look real nice on the screen, and it comes up with some difficulty, but it is usable, if you are stubborn. I also have Corel Draw 9 and the corresponding PhotoPaint working. Both of WP and draw are running in WINE. --doug -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5490ff14.10...@optonline.net
Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?
YOu know? I need to check this edition then, because it is far more current than 1995 I am sure. Kare On Tue, 16 Dec 2014, Doug wrote: On 12/16/2014 10:44 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: Greetings everyone, I have a still in the package copy of wordperfect 5.1 for UNIX. I got this because wordperfect is my main word processor on my primary computer and I would welcome, if at all possible, to use it with Linux as well. Is there any reason why the program cannot be installed on a machine running Debian squeeze? My interest is in logistics, as I realize the software may be better suited for networks, not individual computers. Thanks, Karen There was once (around 1995?) a WordPerfect version for Linux. It worked, but it had terrible fonts. It has not been possible to install that for at least the past 4 years, and probably longer, as the dependencies can no longer be met. I have WordPerfect12 working on the latest PCLinuxOS KDE, but not the spread sheet. It doesn't look real nice on the screen, and it comes up with some difficulty, but it is usable, if you are stubborn. I also have Corel Draw 9 and the corresponding PhotoPaint working. Both of WP and draw are running in WINE. --doug -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5490ff14.10...@optonline.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/pine.bsf.4.64.141216220.3...@server1.shellworld.net
Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian? (more)
On 12/16/2014 10:57 PM, Doug wrote: On 12/16/2014 10:44 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: Greetings everyone, I have a still in the package copy of wordperfect 5.1 for UNIX. I got this because wordperfect is my main word processor on my primary computer and I would welcome, if at all possible, to use it with Linux as well. Is there any reason why the program cannot be installed on a machine running Debian squeeze? My interest is in logistics, as I realize the software may be better suited for networks, not individual computers. Thanks, Karen There was once (around 1995?) a WordPerfect version for Linux. It worked, but it had terrible fonts. It has not been possible to install that for at least the past 4 years, and probably longer, as the dependencies can no longer be met. I have WordPerfect12 working on the latest PCLinuxOS KDE, but not the spread sheet. It doesn't look real nice on the screen, and it comes up with some difficulty, but it is usable, if you are stubborn. I also have Corel Draw 9 and the corresponding PhotoPaint working. Both of WP and draw are running in WINE. --doug Just a little follow-up to the last post. I don't like OpenOffice or LibreOffice because I don't like the strait-jacket they put you in. When I was using Windows regularly, I used WordPerfect also. In Linux I now use the suite from Softmaker Office: TestMaker, PlanMaker, and SoftmakerPresentations. There is a free version and a pay version--the free version is not licensed for commercial use, but it seems to have just about all the features of the pay version--I have both, having bought the pay version before they released the freebie. The package comes from a German company, and they are very good about answering questions, making updates available, etc. (Of course, I _do_ have the paid version; I don't know if this sort of service is available with the free one.) I can really only speak to the word processor, which is what I use it for. I have printed out a small spread-sheet which comes to me with a simple schedule every couple of months, and it prints that fine. I have never even opened Presentations. URL: www.softmaker.com --doug -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54910984.9020...@optonline.net
Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?
On 12/16/2014 08:57 PM, Doug wrote: On 12/16/2014 10:44 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: Greetings everyone, I have a still in the package copy of wordperfect 5.1 for UNIX. I got this because wordperfect is my main word processor on my primary computer and I would welcome, if at all possible, to use it with Linux as well. Is there any reason why the program cannot be installed on a machine running Debian squeeze? My interest is in logistics, as I realize the software may be better suited for networks, not individual computers. Thanks, Karen There was once (around 1995?) a WordPerfect version for Linux. It worked, but it had terrible fonts. It has not been possible to install that for at least the past 4 years, and probably longer, as the dependencies can no longer be met. I have WordPerfect12 working on the latest PCLinuxOS KDE, but not the spread sheet. It doesn't look real nice on the screen, and it comes up with some difficulty, but it is usable, if you are stubborn. I also have Corel Draw 9 and the corresponding PhotoPaint working. Both of WP and draw are running in WINE. --doug If I remember correctly, and I may be wrong, the Linux version of WordPerfect was the Windows version packaged with WINE. Maybe it's possible to look over the contents of the package copy you have and run the wordperfect executables on a recent version of WINE. My experience with that version years ago is the same as Doug's, it worked and the fonts were ugly. -Thom -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54910bc6.5060...@cagroups.com
Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?
On 12/16/2014 11:34 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: YOu know? I need to check this edition then, because it is far more current than 1995 I am sure. Kare Ok, I was guessing 1995, it was later. I found my copy of Corel WordPerfect 8 for Linux, Personal Edition. The disk is copyright 1998. If you have a version for Unix, it might never have run on Linux at all. If you have some kind of Unix, you could always try it and see what happens. There are various BCD versions around, which will supposedly run on a PC. I installed PCBCD, but I couldn't get it to boot on a multi-boot system, and I don't have a spare PC to try it on. In spite of the fact that I never throw anything out, I can't find the copy of Solaris I was going to offer you. It came from about 2000. If you know what kind of Unix the WP was made for, and what year, I bet you can find a Unix that will run it, on eBay, or Amazon. Most Unixes were not free, however. Maybe the obsolescent ones are at least reasonable! And, of course, most Unixes did not run on PCs, but some did--the Solaris I had would. If by chance I find it, I'll let you know. --doug -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54911461.2050...@optonline.net
Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?
On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 11:00:03 AM UTC+5:30, Doug wrote: On 12/16/2014 11:34 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: YOu know? I need to check this edition then, because it is far more current than 1995 I am sure. Kare Ok, I was guessing 1995, it was later. I found my copy of Corel WordPerfect 8 for Linux, Personal Edition. The disk is copyright 1998. If you have a version for Unix, it might never have run on Linux at all. If you have some kind of Unix, you could always try it and see what happens. There are various BCD versions around, which will supposedly run on a PC. I installed PCBCD, but I couldn't get it to boot on a multi-boot system, and I don't have a spare PC to try it on. In spite of the fact that I never throw anything out, I can't find the copy of Solaris I was going to offer you. It came from about 2000. If you know what kind of Unix the WP was made for, and what year, I bet you can find a Unix that will run it, on eBay, or Amazon. Most Unixes were not free, however. Maybe the obsolescent ones are at least reasonable! And, of course, most Unixes did not run on PCs, but some did--the Solaris I had would. If by chance I find it, I'll let you know. --doug At least some versions seem to run on crossover https://www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/search?name=Wordperfectsearch=app So maybe wine as well -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/a14d4683-517f-4a59-a846-498f748cd...@googlegroups.com
