Re: Some questions around needrestart utility

[l0f4r0]

17 janv. 2021 à 21:50 de didier.gau...@gmail.com:

> from https://github.com/liske/needrestart-session :
>  "needrestart checks which processes need to be restarted after library 
> upgrades. needrestart-session implements a notification of user sessions 
> about their obsolete processes after system upgrades."
>
> In short: automatic notification instead of manual checking :-)
>
Ohh I see. So it's all about notification.

This is the only way you get a notification that some services need to be 
restarted following your unattended-upgrades, right? Otherwise you would get 
nothing as unattended-upgrades is not interactive...

As a single user with only interactive upgrades, I'm not sure 
needrestart-session is useful to me right now. needrestart is probably enough.

Thanks
l0f4r0

Re: Some questions around needrestart utility

[didier gaumet]

Le 17/01/2021 à 21:37, l0f...@tuta.io a écrit :
[...]

I didn't pay attention there is a needrestart-session!

Can you tell me please how it could be useful to me if I have already 
needrestart?
Indeed, needrestart already lists me the "User sessions running outdated 
binaries"... What's more to expect?

[...]

from https://github.com/liske/needrestart-session :
 "needrestart checks which processes need to be restarted after library 
upgrades. needrestart-session implements a notification of user sessions 
about their obsolete processes after system upgrades."


In short: automatic notification instead of manual checking :-)

Re: Some questions around needrestart utility

[l0f4r0]

Hi,

17 janv. 2021 à 19:24 de didier.gau...@gmail.com:

> I installed needrestart (and needrestart-session too) because it is suggested 
> by unattended-upgrades (installed and running on my system, with 
> apt-listbugs), so when something has been upgraded and needs to be restarted, 
> needrestart pops up on my display to warn me
>
I didn't pay attention there is a needrestart-session!

Can you tell me please how it could be useful to me if I have already 
needrestart?
Indeed, needrestart already lists me the "User sessions running outdated 
binaries"... What's more to expect?

17 janv. 2021 à 21:06 de s...@svenhartge.de:

> All this is configured via /etc/needrestart/needrestart.conf.
>
> Services can be blacklisted and will never even show up and services can
> be overridden and will show up but will be deselected, for the admin to
> manually select them to be restarted should they so desire.
>
> The configuration provides a selection of pre-defined overrides, based
> on experience of the author(s), bug reports and input from users.
>
> You will find networking stuff like "NetworkManager" or display managers
> like "lightdm" in there to prevent you from sawing off the branch you
> are sitting on.
>
Ok, I didn't get this is the meaning of "override". Clear now, thanks.
Best regards,
l0f4r0

Re: Some questions around needrestart utility

[Sven Hartge]

l0f...@tuta.io wrote:

> Can someone explain me how needrestart (in interactive advanced mode)
> preselects services to be restarted  please? I mean when I launch it,
> only some services are preselected while others are not.So according
> to what criteria? Does it preselect those whose reboot has  less
> impact on the machine?

All this is configured via /etc/needrestart/needrestart.conf.

Services can be blacklisted and will never even show up and services can
be overridden and will show up but will be deselected, for the admin to
manually select them to be restarted should they so desire.

The configuration provides a selection of pre-defined overrides, based
on experience of the author(s), bug reports and input from users.

You will find networking stuff like "NetworkManager" or display managers
like "lightdm" in there to prevent you from sawing off the branch you
are sitting on.

All this can be of course tailored to your own liking.

Grüße,
Sven.

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Re: Some questions around needrestart utility

[didier gaumet]

Hello,

basically it seems to detect which service needs to be restarted after 
an upgrade


I installed needrestart (and needrestart-session too) because it is 
suggested by unattended-upgrades (installed and running on my system, 
with apt-listbugs), so when something has been upgraded and needs to be 
restarted, needrestart pops up on my display to warn me


You may read the README and explore/read the relevant files in /etc

didier@hp-notebook14:~$ apt-file list needrestart
needrestart: /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99needrestart
needrestart: /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/needrestart
needrestart: /etc/needrestart/conf.d/README.needrestart
needrestart: /etc/needrestart/hook.d/10-dpkg
needrestart: /etc/needrestart/hook.d/20-rpm
needrestart: /etc/needrestart/hook.d/90-none
needrestart: /etc/needrestart/needrestart.conf
needrestart: /etc/needrestart/notify.conf
needrestart: /etc/needrestart/notify.d/200-write
needrestart: /etc/needrestart/notify.d/400-notify-send
needrestart: /etc/needrestart/notify.d/600-mail
needrestart: /etc/needrestart/notify.d/README.needrestart
needrestart: /etc/needrestart/restart.d/README.needrestart
needrestart: /etc/needrestart/restart.d/dbus.service
needrestart: /etc/needrestart/restart.d/systemd-manager
needrestart: /etc/needrestart/restart.d/sysv-init
needrestart: /usr/lib/needrestart/apt-pinvoke
needrestart: /usr/lib/needrestart/dpkg-status
needrestart: /usr/lib/needrestart/iucode-scan-versions
needrestart: /usr/lib/needrestart/notify.d.sh
needrestart: /usr/lib/needrestart/vmlinuz-get-version
needrestart: /usr/sbin/needrestart
needrestart: /usr/share/bug/needrestart/script
needrestart: /usr/share/doc/needrestart/NEWS.Debian.gz
needrestart: /usr/share/doc/needrestart/NEWS.gz
needrestart: /usr/share/doc/needrestart/README.Cont.md
needrestart: /usr/share/doc/needrestart/README.Interp.md
needrestart: /usr/share/doc/needrestart/README.batch.md
needrestart: /usr/share/doc/needrestart/README.md
needrestart: /usr/share/doc/needrestart/README.nagios.md
needrestart: /usr/share/doc/needrestart/README.uCode.md
needrestart: /usr/share/doc/needrestart/changelog.Debian.gz
needrestart: /usr/share/doc/needrestart/changelog.gz
needrestart: /usr/share/doc/needrestart/copyright
needrestart: /usr/share/doc/needrestart/examples/needrestart-nagios
needrestart: /usr/share/locale/cs/LC_MESSAGES/needrestart-notify.mo
needrestart: /usr/share/locale/cs/LC_MESSAGES/needrestart.mo
needrestart: /usr/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/needrestart-notify.mo
needrestart: /usr/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/needrestart.mo
needrestart: /usr/share/locale/ru/LC_MESSAGES/needrestart-notify.mo
needrestart: /usr/share/locale/ru/LC_MESSAGES/needrestart.mo
needrestart: /usr/share/man/man1/needrestart.1.gz
needrestart: /usr/share/needrestart/needrestart.templates
needrestart: /usr/share/perl5/NeedRestart.pm
needrestart: /usr/share/perl5/NeedRestart/CONT.pm
needrestart: /usr/share/perl5/NeedRestart/CONT/LXC.pm
needrestart: /usr/share/perl5/NeedRestart/CONT/docker.pm
needrestart: /usr/share/perl5/NeedRestart/CONT/machined.pm
needrestart: /usr/share/perl5/NeedRestart/Interp.pm
needrestart: /usr/share/perl5/NeedRestart/Interp/Java.pm
needrestart: /usr/share/perl5/NeedRestart/Interp/Perl.pm
needrestart: /usr/share/perl5/NeedRestart/Interp/Python.pm
needrestart: /usr/share/perl5/NeedRestart/Interp/Ruby.pm
needrestart: /usr/share/perl5/NeedRestart/Kernel.pm
needrestart: /usr/share/perl5/NeedRestart/Kernel/Linux.pm
needrestart: /usr/share/perl5/NeedRestart/Kernel/kFreeBSD.pm
needrestart: /usr/share/perl5/NeedRestart/Strings.pm
needrestart: /usr/share/perl5/NeedRestart/UI.pm
needrestart: /usr/share/perl5/NeedRestart/UI/Debconf.pm
needrestart: /usr/share/perl5/NeedRestart/UI/stdio.pm
needrestart: /usr/share/perl5/NeedRestart/Utils.pm
needrestart: /usr/share/perl5/NeedRestart/uCode.pm
needrestart: /usr/share/perl5/NeedRestart/uCode/Intel.pm
needrestart: /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/net.fiasko-nw.needrestart.policy

didier@hp-notebook14:~$ apt-file list needrestart-session
needrestart-session: /etc/dbus-1/system.d/net.ibh.NeedRestart.System.conf
needrestart-session: /etc/needrestart/notify.d/300-needrestart-session
needrestart-session: /etc/xdg/autostart/needrestart-dbus-session.desktop
needrestart-session: /usr/bin/needrestart-session
needrestart-session: /usr/lib/needrestart-session/needrestart-dbus-session
needrestart-session: /usr/lib/needrestart-session/needrestart-dbus-system
needrestart-session: /usr/lib/needrestart-session/needrestart-x11
needrestart-session: /usr/share/applications/needrestart-session.desktop
needrestart-session: /usr/share/applications/needrestart.desktop
needrestart-session: 
/usr/share/dbus-1/system-services/net.ibh.NeedRestart.System.service

needrestart-session: /usr/share/doc/needrestart-session/README.md
needrestart-session: /usr/share/doc/needrestart-session/changelog.Debian.gz
needrestart-session: /usr/share/doc/needrestart-session/changelog.gz
needrestart-session: /usr/share/doc/needrestart-session/copyright

Some questions around needrestart utility

[l0f4r0]

Hi,

Can someone explain me how needrestart (in interactive advanced mode) 
preselects services to be restarted  please? I mean when I launch it, only some 
services are preselected while others are not.So according to what criteria? 
Does it preselect those whose reboot has  less impact on the machine?

It seems to be a great utility (hook with dpkg and configurable).
Did you need some specific configuration or has it been working out of the box 
for you?

Do you have good reasons to use checkrestart instead (in package 
debian-goodies)?

Thanks in advance for your feedback :)

Best regards,
l0f4r0

Re: Some questions about PAM

[l0f4r0]

Hi,

I've investigated a little bit so I'm answering to myself & anyone interested + 
I ask other questions ;)

24 mai 2020 à 01:25 de l0f...@tuta.io:

> 1) How do we know which options can be set up in a /etc/security conf file 
> and which one can be specified as a module argument in the /etc/pam.d files?
> For example, regarding pam_pwquality.so:
> * ocredit can be specified in /etc/security/pwquality.conf or as a module 
> argument
> * authtok_type needs to be specified (if need be) as a module argument only
> Of course, there is still the empirical solution but it would be easier if it 
> was indicated somewhere (I didn't find where though).
>
I still don't know for this one except assuming that the options mentioned in 
the man pages but missing in the default conf files (even in comments) should 
be used as module arguments instead...

> 2) Given a service, is the whole related pam.d file read (full stack) or just 
> the appropriate stack (account, auth, password, session) or a mix of them?
> Sub-question: I know the order of the instructions can be important 
> (especially with "requisite" or "sufficient" controls) but is the order 
> important between different stacks for the same service (for example 
> "account" before "auth" before "password" before "session")?
>
I think it all depends on the binary requesting linux-pam.
It may implement one or more functions like pam_authenticate, pam-acct_mgmt, 
pam_setcred, pam_open_session, pam_close_session and so trigger different 
module types accordingly (auth, account, session and password).

> 3) I've installed pamtester but I'm really lost regarding how it works.
> Resources are scarce, I've only found > http://pamtester.sourceforge.net/>  
> or man pamtester.
>
> a) Would you have a good pointer for me please (ideally a kind of tutorial 
> explaining in details the "operations" and "items" parts)?
>
I still haven't found a good resource regarding pamtester.
What is interesting though is that one can specify the module types to trigger 
within a pam config file with parameters authenticate, acct_mgmt, open_session, 
close_session and chauthtok.

> b) I've created a /etc/pam.d/my_common_password (copy of 
> /etc/pam.d/common-password).
> Then I've invoked: pamtester -v my_common_password some_existing_account 
> chauthtok
> With no avail ("Authentication token manipulation error" after typing the 
> correct some_existing_account current password)...
> Since /etc/pam.d/common-password is correct (default file), I suppose my 
> pamtester command is wrong, isn't it?
>
A priori, my command is OK.

The issue is rather related to unix_chkpwd (called by pam_unix.so because 
/etc/shadow is not simple user readable), that's why the user current password 
is asked.

As a security measure, the PAM modules run as the same user as the calling 
program, so they cannot do anything you could not do yourself, and in 
particular cannot access /etc/shadow.

So I've used the following command instead:
sudo -iu some_existing_account pamtester -v my_common_password 
some_existing_account chauthtok
It works a little bit better but it still fails at final step when changing the 
password... Too bad, I don't know why.

What really confuses me is that I don't understand why a password change works 
with command "passwd" after logging as some_existing_user but doesn't work with 
"pamtester -v passwd some_existing_account chauthtok" after logging as 
some_existing_user as well... 

> c) Even more basically, let's create another /etc/pam.d/my_common_password 
> file with  1 instruction only:
> password required pam_pwquality retry=3
> Everything works when running:
> pamtester -v my_common_password some_existing_account chauthtok
> pamtester: invoking pam_start(my_common_password, some_existing_account, ...)
> pamtester: performing operation - chauthtok
> New password:
> Retype new password:
> pamtester: authentication token altered successfully.
>
> However, if I append the following instruction:
> password required pam_deny.so
> Then the same pamtester command returns an error now:
> pamtester: invoking pam_start(my_common_password, some_existing_account, ...)
> pamtester: performing operation - chauthtok
> pamtester: Authentication token manipulation error
>
> Of course, there should be an error indeed but why am I not asked for a 
> password beforehand nonetheless?
> It looks as if pam_deny was executed first...
>
Hypothesis: the config file is read once before execution and a PAM error is 
triggered immediatey if this is technically impossible that a PAM success can 
be obtained (no need to waste time). If true, it would be bad for debugging.
What do you think please?

Finally, for some of you interested in PAM, here are the best resources I've 
read so far:
* http://linux-pam.org/Linux-PAM-html/Linux-PAM_SAG.html
* https://www.pearsonhighered.com/assets/samplechapter/0/1/3/0/0130158070.pdf
* https://wpollock.com/AUnix2/PAM-Help.htm
HTH

Best regards,
l0f4r0

Some questions about PAM

[l0f4r0]

Hi,

I'm discovering PAM :)
I'm currently reading lots of different resources about it but I have some 
questions to ask please:

1) How do we know which options can be set up in a /etc/security conf file and 
which one can be specified as a module argument in the /etc/pam.d files?
For example, regarding pam_pwquality.so:
* ocredit can be specified in /etc/security/pwquality.conf or as a module 
argument
* authtok_type needs to be specified (if need be) as a module argument only
Of course, there is still the empirical solution but it would be easier if it 
was indicated somewhere (I didn't find where though).

2) Given a service, is the whole related pam.d file read (full stack) or just 
the appropriate stack (account, auth, password, session) or a mix of them?
Sub-question: I know the order of the instructions can be important (especially 
with "requisite" or "sufficient" controls) but is the order important between 
different stacks for the same service (for example "account" before "auth" 
before "password" before "session")?

3) I've installed pamtester but I'm really lost regarding how it works.
Resources are scarce, I've only found http://pamtester.sourceforge.net/ or man 
pamtester.

a) Would you have a good pointer for me please (ideally a kind of tutorial 
explaining in details the "operations" and "items" parts)?

b) I've created a /etc/pam.d/my_common_password (copy of 
/etc/pam.d/common-password).
Then I've invoked: pamtester -v my_common_password some_existing_account 
chauthtok
With no avail ("Authentication token manipulation error" after typing the 
correct some_existing_account current password)...
Since /etc/pam.d/common-password is correct (default file), I suppose my 
pamtester command is wrong, isn't it?
c) Even more basically, let's create another /etc/pam.d/my_common_password file 
with  1 instruction only:
password required pam_pwquality retry=3
Everything works when running:
pamtester -v my_common_password some_existing_account chauthtok
pamtester: invoking pam_start(my_common_password, some_existing_account, ...)
pamtester: performing operation - chauthtok
New password:
Retype new password:
pamtester: authentication token altered successfully.

However, if I append the following instruction:
password required pam_deny.so
Then the same pamtester command returns an error now:
pamtester: invoking pam_start(my_common_password, some_existing_account, ...)
pamtester: performing operation - chauthtok
pamtester: Authentication token manipulation error

Of course, there should be an error indeed but why am I not asked for a 
password beforehand nonetheless?
It looks as if pam_deny was executed first...

Thank you in advance :)
Best regards,
l0f4r0

Re: some questions about cfengine3

[Andy Smith]

Hi,

On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 08:30:44PM +0200, deloptes wrote:
> I don't have experience with puppet.

I am in the process of migrating a Puppet setup that's been in use
and development for ~8 years to Ansible.

Although it is a fairly simple manifest, managing only 47 hosts, the
rate of change within the puppet project itself became too much for
me. The changing of the dsl syntax, directory layouts, binary names,
supported methods of running the master, language used to implement
the software, complex version dependencies between client and
server… I can't keep up with it. This may be a personal failing but
it's where I am now.

Puppet has definitely spoiled me because it's so powerful. Even
though what I'm doing with it is fairly simple and I'm not very far
into my migration I am finding things that are a little tricky to
express in Ansible. But each time I hit a bump I eventually get past
it, and the result is just simpler, so I am optimistic. I think/hope
that having only one environment to manage (the place that Ansible
runs from) will really help.

Cheers,
Andy

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Re: some questions about cfengine3

[deloptes]

Morel Bérenger wrote:

> I am not really constrained about mass storage (I mean, embedding a
> Debian system on 1Gb is easy enough, and our systems does not have less
> than 4Gb) but on bandwidth, so I guess I'm better to go with the
> smallest (considering that no, python is not needed in our systems and
> so, absent), cfengine3 according to you?
> 
> Also, I'm the only one at work which have ever heard of that kind
> of tools, so I'm basically free to take whatever I want, and I've never
> really cared about «coolness» of systems.
> If I could only work with softwares that are older than me and simple
> enough to not require updates every 2 months, I would be a happy coder.

I used cfengine like 10y ago. It was difficult to manage for large scale.
For ansible I create a local python3 environment (dedicated user) on the
controlling server and the rest is yaml and git. On the managed side it is
good to have minimal python, if you don't want to use the raw command, but
take advantage of higher functionality. I like the yaml syntax.
It works via ssh in my case. It is fast and simple to manage.
The advantage of python env is that you don't have to update if it works
(think of chroot).

Another project I worked on was using Saltstack, but IMO it is more
complicated (it also depends on python) and it has daemons running.
I don't have experience with puppet.

I hope it helped

regards

Re: some questions about cfengine3

[tomas]

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On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 02:44:18PM +0200, Morel Bérenger wrote:
> Le Tue, 27 Mar 2018 12:15:41 +0200,
>  a écrit :

[...]

> > It really depends on your needs/tastes/team.

[...]

> I am not really constrained about mass storage (I mean, embedding a
> Debian system on 1Gb is easy enough, and our systems does not have less
> than 4Gb) but on bandwidth, so I guess I'm better to go with the
> smallest (considering that no, python is not needed in our systems and
> so, absent), cfengine3 according to you?

True. I do usually use "size" as a very rough metric for "complexity",
so I tend to look first at the smallest package. That said...

> Also, I'm the only one at work which have ever heard of that kind
> of tools, so I'm basically free to take whatever I want, and I've never
> really cared about «coolness» of systems.
> If I could only work with softwares that are older than me and simple
> enough to not require updates every 2 months, I would be a happy coder.

... I've seen others using puppet and ansible, but can't provide you
with first-hand experience, sorry.

> Thanks for the informations.

I wish I could be more helpful, sorry.

Cheers
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Re: some questions about cfengine3

[Morel Bérenger]

Le Tue, 27 Mar 2018 12:15:41 +0200,
 a écrit :

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> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 10:10:10AM +0200, Morel Bérenger wrote:
> > Le Mon, 26 Mar 2018 20:48:31 +0200,
> > deloptes  a écrit :
> >   
> > > Morel Bérenger wrote:
> > >   
> > > > I have several questions about the cfengine3 package that can be
> > > > found in Debian.
> > > 
> > > if you have not to maintain legacy, I recommend ansible or
> > > puppet. 
> > 
> > May I ask why? I must admit I don't know all those things a lot,
> > even if I did read a lot about them.  
> 
> It really depends on your needs/tastes/team.
> 
> Cfengine is by far the smallest and least dependent (1.8MB installed
> size, no big interpreter). Ansible is 12.8MB, depends on Python (which
> will most probably be on your distro anyway) and a bunch of Python
> modules. Puppet is 5.9MB and depends on Ruby.
> 
> The last two are what the cool kids are doing these days, cfengine is
> considerably older -- but most probably simpler to understand.
> 
> I think you'll have to look into all of them and judge (yeah, I
> know ;-)

I am not really constrained about mass storage (I mean, embedding a
Debian system on 1Gb is easy enough, and our systems does not have less
than 4Gb) but on bandwidth, so I guess I'm better to go with the
smallest (considering that no, python is not needed in our systems and
so, absent), cfengine3 according to you?

Also, I'm the only one at work which have ever heard of that kind
of tools, so I'm basically free to take whatever I want, and I've never
really cared about «coolness» of systems.
If I could only work with softwares that are older than me and simple
enough to not require updates every 2 months, I would be a happy coder.

> 
> > I should say I'm not even sure that kind of tool is the right one
> > for the task I have in mind: managing a fleet of systems that
> > connect through radio connections (3G, 4G, GSM, depends on what
> > we'll have on places, I guess).  
> 
> I think those systems help you in managing similar but slightly
> different configurations for many systems. So you seem to be right
> with that.

Thanks for the informations.

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Re: some questions about cfengine3

[tomas]

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On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 10:10:10AM +0200, Morel Bérenger wrote:
> Le Mon, 26 Mar 2018 20:48:31 +0200,
> deloptes  a écrit :
> 
> > Morel Bérenger wrote:
> > 
> > > I have several questions about the cfengine3 package that can be
> > > found in Debian.  
> > 
> > if you have not to maintain legacy, I recommend ansible or puppet. 
> > 
> 
> May I ask why? I must admit I don't know all those things a lot, even
> if I did read a lot about them.

It really depends on your needs/tastes/team.

Cfengine is by far the smallest and least dependent (1.8MB installed
size, no big interpreter). Ansible is 12.8MB, depends on Python (which
will most probably be on your distro anyway) and a bunch of Python
modules. Puppet is 5.9MB and depends on Ruby.

The last two are what the cool kids are doing these days, cfengine is
considerably older -- but most probably simpler to understand.

I think you'll have to look into all of them and judge (yeah, I know ;-)

> I should say I'm not even sure that kind of tool is the right one for
> the task I have in mind: managing a fleet of systems that connect
> through radio connections (3G, 4G, GSM, depends on what we'll have on
> places, I guess).

I think those systems help you in managing similar but slightly
different configurations for many systems. So you seem to be right
with that.

Cheers
- -- tomás
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Re: some questions about cfengine3

[Morel Bérenger]

Le Mon, 26 Mar 2018 20:48:31 +0200,
deloptes  a écrit :

> Morel Bérenger wrote:
> 
> > I have several questions about the cfengine3 package that can be
> > found in Debian.  
> 
> if you have not to maintain legacy, I recommend ansible or puppet. 
> 

May I ask why? I must admit I don't know all those things a lot, even
if I did read a lot about them.
I should say I'm not even sure that kind of tool is the right one for
the task I have in mind: managing a fleet of systems that connect
through radio connections (3G, 4G, GSM, depends on what we'll have on
places, I guess).

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Re: some questions about cfengine3

[tomas]

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[...]

> Oh, I was confused by all my manipulations, I guess at some point I
> installed something from the outside, sorry for that
>  (now I know why it

No worries. Things happen. That makes life exciting :-)

> seemed strange to me to have things in /usr/local...).

Yes, that would have been a packaging bug, I think.

Cheers
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Re: some questions about cfengine3

[Morel Bérenger]

Le Mon, 26 Mar 2018 23:22:37 +0200,
 a écrit :

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> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 03:33:19PM +0200, Morel Bérenger wrote:
> > Le Mon, 26 Mar 2018 08:54:22 -0400,
> > Greg Wooledge  a écrit :
> >   
> > > On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 10:37:08AM +0200, Morel Bérenger wrote:  
> > > > I have several questions about the cfengine3 package that can be
> > > > found in Debian.
> > > > 
> > > > * binaries seems to be located into /usr/local/sbin/, is there
> > > > is a reason for this (not important but intriguing, sounds very
> > > > unusual from Debian AFAIK)?
> > > 
> > > Which version of the package, on which branch of Debian?  The
> > > stable package's file list
> > > 
> > > does not show anything under /usr/local.
> > >   
> > 
> > It is the 3.9.1-4.2 version, but by looking more precisely, I
> > noticed that this content is only symlinks
> > to /var/lib/cfengine/bin, which itself is a symlink to /usr/sbin...
> > still strange, but I guess they are installed by some script in the
> > deb.  
> 
> Hmm. Looking at the filelist:
> 
>   https://packages.debian.org/stretch/amd64/cfengine3/filelist
> 
> I don't see anything in /usr/local?
> 
> I just installed it (the version you mention above is stretch). It
> doesn't seem to touch /usr/local on my box.

Oh, I was confused by all my manipulations, I guess at some point I
installed something from the outside, sorry for that (now I know why it
seemed strange to me to have things in /usr/local...).


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Re: some questions about cfengine3

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On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 03:33:19PM +0200, Morel Bérenger wrote:
> Le Mon, 26 Mar 2018 08:54:22 -0400,
> Greg Wooledge  a écrit :
> 
> > On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 10:37:08AM +0200, Morel Bérenger wrote:
> > > I have several questions about the cfengine3 package that can be
> > > found in Debian.
> > > 
> > > * binaries seems to be located into /usr/local/sbin/, is there is a
> > >   reason for this (not important but intriguing, sounds very unusual
> > >   from Debian AFAIK)?  
> > 
> > Which version of the package, on which branch of Debian?  The stable
> > package's file list
> > 
> > does not show anything under /usr/local.
> > 
> 
> It is the 3.9.1-4.2 version, but by looking more precisely, I noticed
> that this content is only symlinks to /var/lib/cfengine/bin, which
> itself is a symlink to /usr/sbin... still strange, but I guess they are
> installed by some script in the deb.

Hmm. Looking at the filelist:

  https://packages.debian.org/stretch/amd64/cfengine3/filelist

I don't see anything in /usr/local?

I just installed it (the version you mention above is stretch). It doesn't
seem to touch /usr/local on my box.

Cheers
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Re: some questions about cfengine3

[Morel Bérenger]

Le Mon, 26 Mar 2018 08:54:22 -0400,
Greg Wooledge  a écrit :

> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 10:37:08AM +0200, Morel Bérenger wrote:
> > I have several questions about the cfengine3 package that can be
> > found in Debian.
> > 
> > * binaries seems to be located into /usr/local/sbin/, is there is a
> >   reason for this (not important but intriguing, sounds very unusual
> >   from Debian AFAIK)?  
> 
> Which version of the package, on which branch of Debian?  The stable
> package's file list
> 
> does not show anything under /usr/local.
> 

It is the 3.9.1-4.2 version, but by looking more precisely, I noticed
that this content is only symlinks to /var/lib/cfengine/bin, which
itself is a symlink to /usr/sbin... still strange, but I guess they are
installed by some script in the deb.

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Re: some questions about cfengine3

[deloptes]

Morel Bérenger wrote:

> I have several questions about the cfengine3 package that can be found
> in Debian.

if you have not to maintain legacy, I recommend ansible or puppet. 

Re: some questions about cfengine3

[Greg Wooledge]

On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 10:37:08AM +0200, Morel Bérenger wrote:
> I have several questions about the cfengine3 package that can be found
> in Debian.
> 
> * binaries seems to be located into /usr/local/sbin/, is there is a
>   reason for this (not important but intriguing, sounds very unusual
>   from Debian AFAIK)?

Which version of the package, on which branch of Debian?  The stable
package's file list

does not show anything under /usr/local.

some questions about cfengine3

[Morel Bérenger]

Hello.

I have several questions about the cfengine3 package that can be found
in Debian.

* binaries seems to be located into /usr/local/sbin/, is there is a
  reason for this (not important but intriguing, sounds very unusual
  from Debian AFAIK)?
* in /etc/defaults/cfengine3, there is a mention of something
  named /usr/share/doc/cfengine3/examples, but this folder does not
  exists. Since the binaries seems to not be placed in the
  usual /usr/[s]bin location, I also looked at /usr/local/share/doc,
  but nothing, and I can not find any packages that seems to contain
  cfengine3's documentation (I have manpages installed, but they don't
  tell a lot)?
* I would like to use runit to manage those processes, but running
  cf-agent -B $IP as described in various tutorials I have found
  starts (after some warning messages and what I would consider a very
  long time, but it works. Maybe a reverse DNS thing, since I
  did the testing into a virtual network without DHCPd nor DNSd, I'll
  investigate on that later.) 3 processes that goes to background. I
  would like to know if someone have some pointer about how to do that?

Thanks.

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Re: OT: SQL database - some questions

[Joel Rees]

On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 5:00 PM, Hans  wrote:
> Dear list,
>
> this is a little offtopic, but maybe you can make things a little bit clearer
> for me.
>
> I had had a webserver hosted by a provider, which is switched off since a
> year. From this server I got a backup of a sql database. The system that ran
> that time, was wordpress, and the database is called something like
> "bla_bla_wp2016018_911.sql.gz"
>
> On this website I wrote some blogs, which I want to have back.
>
> So my question: Are these blogs content in this database? And if yes, can I
> restore them without to setup a complete wordpress server with sql database?

This question should be first asked on the wordpress list, not here. Some
of the wordpress devs do haunt the debian lists, but you'll just get better
answers there.

> Is there an easy way or only a hard way?

Yes. There is an easy way and many ways to easily make it way harder than it
should be.

> Would be nice, if someone could give me some points, I am not so experienced
> with databases.

It will be much easier to figure the database part out with wordpress
installed and running. You can set it up for access only from the local
machine, and then you can play around with the files as you like.

Much easier to make progress when you have the thing in front of you,
running.

If you have, for example, other mysql/maria database stuff on the
machine, you can set up wordpress to not conflict, with help from the
people on the wordpress list.

And if you have questions they can't answer, we may be able to help
you here. Or we may send you to the mysql list.

(I personally have found that shying away from signing onto new
mailing lists has caused me more trouble than keeping track of the
new passwords, etc.)

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Re: OT: SQL database - some questions

[Richard Owlett]

On 06/28/2017 01:29 PM, Celejar wrote:

On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 10:00:00 +0200
Hans  wrote:


Dear list,

this is a little offtopic, but maybe you can make things a little bit clearer
for me.

I had had a webserver hosted by a provider, which is switched off since a
year. From this server I got a backup of a sql database. The system that ran
that time, was wordpress, and the database is called something like
"bla_bla_wp2016018_911.sql.gz"

On this website I wrote some blogs, which I want to have back.

So my question: Are these blogs content in this database? And if yes, can I


WordPress database backups contain all the blog content (but not, IIUC,
files (such as media) that you may have uploaded in association with
the blog).


restore them without to setup a complete wordpress server with sql database?


Yes, as other posters have suggested, but you should think carefully
about your insistence on not setting up a WordPress installation. It's
actually not that difficult - mysql and wordpress can both be easily
installed the usual way via the package managment system, and while
there may be a little fussing necessary to get WP working properly and
import your database backup, it shouldn't be too difficult even for a
database novice. WordPress has great documentation for this sort of
thing, and the last time I did this (in a very similar situation to
yours - I was leaving one hosting provider for another, the former
account was shut down, and I had up to date database backups), I was
actually quite shocked by how simple it was - just open the WordPress
interface (dashboard), do "import database", and that's pretty much
it!



I agree. I'm a newbie my self. I did it with no problem under Jessie and 
setting up the server on localhost.


Under Stretch with Mariadb in place of Mysql there is a change that I've 
not comprehended yet.




Is there an easy way or only a hard way?



Would be nice, if someone could give me some points, I am not so experienced
with databases.

Thanks and regards

Hans


Celejar

Re: OT: SQL database - some questions

[Celejar]

On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 10:00:00 +0200
Hans  wrote:

> Dear list,
> 
> this is a little offtopic, but maybe you can make things a little bit clearer 
> for me.
> 
> I had had a webserver hosted by a provider, which is switched off since a 
> year. From this server I got a backup of a sql database. The system that ran 
> that time, was wordpress, and the database is called something like 
> "bla_bla_wp2016018_911.sql.gz"
> 
> On this website I wrote some blogs, which I want to have back.
> 
> So my question: Are these blogs content in this database? And if yes, can I 

WordPress database backups contain all the blog content (but not, IIUC,
files (such as media) that you may have uploaded in association with
the blog).

> restore them without to setup a complete wordpress server with sql database?

Yes, as other posters have suggested, but you should think carefully
about your insistence on not setting up a WordPress installation. It's
actually not that difficult - mysql and wordpress can both be easily
installed the usual way via the package managment system, and while
there may be a little fussing necessary to get WP working properly and
import your database backup, it shouldn't be too difficult even for a
database novice. WordPress has great documentation for this sort of
thing, and the last time I did this (in a very similar situation to
yours - I was leaving one hosting provider for another, the former
account was shut down, and I had up to date database backups), I was
actually quite shocked by how simple it was - just open the WordPress
interface (dashboard), do "import database", and that's pretty much it!

> Is there an easy way or only a hard way?

> Would be nice, if someone could give me some points, I am not so experienced 
> with databases.
> 
> Thanks and regards
> 
> Hans

Celejar

Re: OT: SQL database - some questions

[Joe]

On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 15:12:26 +0200
Hans  wrote:

> Hi Greg, 
> huu, that looks quite difficult for me. 
> > Start by actually reading the compressed backup, using zless.  See
> > whether it looks like an SQL dump.  If it does, then you can
> > proceed to the next steps.
> >   
> Ho dso I do this? I unzipped my *.sql.gz and have now *.sql file. How
> can I see, if it is a sql-dump? What is this?
> 

Any program which can handle text should be able to see the content, if
it was not encrypted when the backup was made. Here is a fragment of
one of my old .sql dump files:

-- Dumping structure for table service1.tbl_units
DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `tbl_units`;
CREATE TABLE IF NOT EXISTS `tbl_units` (
  `UnitID` int(10) unsigned NOT NULL AUTO_INCREMENT,
  `Model` varchar(20) NOT NULL,
  `Serial` varchar(10) NOT NULL,
  `Firmware` varchar(10) DEFAULT NULL,
  PRIMARY KEY (`UnitID`),
  UNIQUE KEY `Serial` (`Serial`)
) ENGINE=InnoDB AUTO_INCREMENT=312 DEFAULT CHARSET=utf8
COMMENT='Construction history';

-- Dumping data for table service1.tbl_units: ~311 rows (approximately)
DELETE FROM `tbl_units`;
/*!4 ALTER TABLE `tbl_units` DISABLE KEYS */;
INSERT INTO `tbl_units` (`UnitID`, `Model`, `Serial`, `Firmware`) VALUES
(1, 'ILC-1', '0001', 'V1.23'),
(2, 'ILC-1', '0002', 'V1.23'),
(3, 'ILC-1', '0003', 'V1.23'),
(4, 'ILC-1', '0004', 'V1.23'),
(5, 'ILC-1', '0005', 'V1.23'),
(6, 'ILC-1', '0006', 'V1.23'),
(7, 'ILC-1', '0007', 'V1.23'),
(8, 'ILC-1', '0008', 'V1.23'),

As you can see, the actual table data is in a highly structured form,
and could almost certainly be imported somewhere as CSV. I realise that
some of the data in fields of your database will be quite large.

The only issue I can see is one of size, if there is a very large
number of fields in each record of the table you need, or if a field is
too large for a cell in a CSV application such as LibreOffice Calc, or
if there are too many records.

-- 
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Re: OT: SQL database - some questions

[Hans]

Hi Greg, 
huu, that looks quite difficult for me. 
> Start by actually reading the compressed backup, using zless.  See whether
> it looks like an SQL dump.  If it does, then you can proceed to the next
> steps.
> 
Ho dso I do this? I unzipped my *.sql.gz and have now *.sql file. How can I 
see, if it is a sql-dump? What is this?


> Install mariadb/mysql (whatever the server package is called, for your
> release of Debian).  Do whatever it is you need to do in the database
> admin account so that you can restore your database dump as your regular
> user.
> 

I have installed mysql, but I do not want to run it as root. I am not sure, to 
kill some databases on my system, I need for other things. 

> As your regular user, feed the compressed database dump to the "mysql"
> (or its mariadb equivalent) command:
> 
> zcat yourfile.gz | mysql
> 
How can I create a database as a npormal user? mysqladmin inhibits this. I did 
mysqladmin db1 , then mysql db1 < mydatabase.sql , which only worked as root.

> You may have to supply a password, or some command line options to mysql,
> or something like that.  Whatever you would normally do to restore a
> mysql database dump.

Too heavy for me, sorry.
> 
> If you get stuck, try googling "restore mysql database dump" or similar.
> Yours is presumably compressed, due to the *.gz suffix on the file, so
> you'll need to zcat it, instead of just feeding it directly to mysql.
> That's pretty much it.

Same, too heavy.

Folks, I think, this is not an easy stuff! I am not experienced enough and I 
give up for now. 

Maybe I will take the other solution by using vim, and extract all my blogs 
from the sql-file manually, then put it into an html editor like bluegriffon, 
and then save all the blogs in a html file. Doing so, they can be trancoded 
into pdf or implemented into ODT. However, this is a lot of manual work, but 
not "brain killing" like this. 

I hoped, there would be an easy way, opening a GUI, choose my text with drag-
and-drop and off we go. 

Sorry, there is none, I see now. Let this issue close, thanks, great thanks, 
for all the help, really, but it is going much too far now.

Best wishes and thanks again

Hans

Re: OT: SQL database - some questions

[Greg Wooledge]

On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 02:25:55PM +0200, Hans wrote:
> sqlbrowser looked best promising, but my sql databases can't be opened with 
> it. I want to export the *.sql file into a new database, but I get stuck with 
> an error. Telling ???e "unknown statement: 1#, unrecogized token: 1"#"", so 
> it 
> looks like a format error. 
> 
> Well, I do not know, what is causing that, as I said, I am not expierience in 
> databases.

Start by actually reading the compressed backup, using zless.  See whether
it looks like an SQL dump.  If it does, then you can proceed to the next
steps.

Install mariadb/mysql (whatever the server package is called, for your
release of Debian).  Do whatever it is you need to do in the database
admin account so that you can restore your database dump as your regular
user.

As your regular user, feed the compressed database dump to the "mysql"
(or its mariadb equivalent) command:

zcat yourfile.gz | mysql

You may have to supply a password, or some command line options to mysql,
or something like that.  Whatever you would normally do to restore a
mysql database dump.

If you get stuck, try googling "restore mysql database dump" or similar.
Yours is presumably compressed, due to the *.gz suffix on the file, so
you'll need to zcat it, instead of just feeding it directly to mysql.
That's pretty much it.

Re: OT: SQL database - some questions

[Hans]

sqlbrowser looked best promising, but my sql databases can't be opened with 
it. I want to export the *.sql file into a new database, but I get stuck with 
an error. Telling ḿe "unknown statement: 1#, unrecogized token: 1"#"", so it 
looks like a format error. 

Well, I do not know, what is causing that, as I said, I am not expierience in 
databases.

Hans

 

Re: OT: SQL database - some questions

[Brad Rogers]

On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 10:53:02 +0200
Hans  wrote:

Hello Hans,

>Maybe I should precise my question: How can I restore my data from this
>sql database on my desktop? Is there a tool to extract my blogs? 

'sqlitebrowser' _may_ be of some assistance.

Disclaimer;  I've only used it briefly so don't know its full
capabilities.

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Re: OT: SQL database - some questions

[Darac Marjal]

On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 10:53:02AM +0200, Hans wrote:

Am Mittwoch, 28. Juni 2017, 10:41:05 CEST schrieb Mirco Piccin:

Hi Hans,


Hi Mirco


Here more info:
https://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql-backup-excerpt/5.7/en/reloading-sql-format-d
umps.html



sorry, but that was not quite the thing, I was looking for.

After restore, you can browse the tables  to find your blogs using
Tora, phpMyAdmin, or any other tools.
All the data will be of course with html tags.



Maybe I should precise my question: How can I restore my data from this sql
database on my desktop? Is there a tool to extract my blogs?


SQL is a text-based language. If you open the file in vim (or gunzip it,
then open it, if you prefer a graphical editor such as gedit), you
should expect to see a series of statements. The first set will probably
start something like "CREATE TABLE". For your purposes, you can ignore
these. Scroll down to find statements beginning with either "UPDATE
" or "INSERT INTO 

Re: OT: SQL database - some questions

[Mirco Piccin]

Hi Hans,

> Maybe I should precise my question: How can I restore my data from this sql
> database on my desktop? Is there a tool to extract my blogs?
>
> I do not want to build a webserver with php and wordpress and so on, just
> extract my blogs.  Phpmyadmin needs a webserver to run. This is not, what I
> wanted, of course.

you need apache + php only if you are using phpMyAdmin.

If you use Tora (or mySqlBrowser, or squirrel-sql, ..) you can browse
your database from your desktop.
But you must have a database server in which restore the database (and
the data)!

After restoring, i think you can copy every blog entry into an html files.
Then you can open them directly in your web browser.
Other way: you can try to migrate them to other desktop tools (like
Tagspaces) in which data are stored in html format.
Of course you can write a little bash/java/python script to do the job.

M

Re: OT: SQL database - some questions

[Hans]

Am Mittwoch, 28. Juni 2017, 10:41:05 CEST schrieb Mirco Piccin:
> Hi Hans,
> 
Hi Mirco

> Here more info:
> https://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql-backup-excerpt/5.7/en/reloading-sql-format-d
> umps.html
> 

sorry, but that was not quite the thing, I was looking for.
> After restore, you can browse the tables  to find your blogs using
> Tora, phpMyAdmin, or any other tools.
> All the data will be of course with html tags.
> 

Maybe I should precise my question: How can I restore my data from this sql 
database on my desktop? Is there a tool to extract my blogs? 

I do not want to build a webserver with php and wordpress and so on, just 
extract my blogs.  Phpmyadmin needs a webserver to run. This is not, what I 
wanted, of course.

> Good luck
> M

Best

Hans

Re: OT: SQL database - some questions

[Mirco Piccin]

Hi Hans,

> I had had a webserver hosted by a provider, which is switched off since a
> year. From this server I got a backup of a sql database. The system that ran
> that time, was wordpress, and the database is called something like
> "bla_bla_wp2016018_911.sql.gz"

i suppose the backup has all the blog data, so yes, you should be able
to resume from it your blogs (if you haven't deleted them).
The backup of a database usually comes with all the data (of course)
and with all the sql commands useful to recreate the tables. You only
need to create a database for first.
Here more info:
https://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql-backup-excerpt/5.7/en/reloading-sql-format-dumps.html

After restore, you can browse the tables  to find your blogs using
Tora, phpMyAdmin, or any other tools.
All the data will be of course with html tags.

Good luck
M

OT: SQL database - some questions

[Hans]

Dear list,

this is a little offtopic, but maybe you can make things a little bit clearer 
for me.

I had had a webserver hosted by a provider, which is switched off since a 
year. From this server I got a backup of a sql database. The system that ran 
that time, was wordpress, and the database is called something like 
"bla_bla_wp2016018_911.sql.gz"

On this website I wrote some blogs, which I want to have back.

So my question: Are these blogs content in this database? And if yes, can I 
restore them without to setup a complete wordpress server with sql database?

Is there an easy way or only a hard way?

Would be nice, if someone could give me some points, I am not so experienced 
with databases.

Thanks and regards

Hans

Re: [SOLVED] Re: systemd: some questions

[Darac Marjal]

On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 06:57:36PM +0100, Hans wrote:
 Am Donnerstag, 13. Februar 2014, 16:05:47 schrieb Jonathan Dowland:
  On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 03:16:12PM +0100, Hans wrote:
   Maybe I missed something? Or is systemd still not working with
   encrypted partitions? There was nothing in the doc about it (as far as
   I read)
  
  I use systemd with encrypted partitions without problems.
  
  Can you boot the machine, and at the grub prompt, edit the command line
  and confirm what the 'init=' argument is? Additionally if there's a
  quiet option on the command line, please delete it and try to boot.
  Does that show any diagnostic information?
 
 All right, I guess, I found the solution by removing quiet the grub 
 commandline.
 
 For those, who got into the same problem as me, here is what I did:
 
 As I wanted to choose between automatically lock up my encrypted partitions 
 by 
 an usb stick or by hand, I commented out the following line in /etc/fstab
  
 # /dev/disk/by-label/UIT-KEY/media  vfatuid=0,gid=0,umask=277 
   
 0   0

I have noticed this with systemd, too. Under SysV, you can have a line
like the above and it's treated as If the above device is available,
mount it, otherwise display an error (but the boot will continue to run,
if possible). Under systemd, though, the assumption appears to be that
if you listed it in /etc/fstab, then it's a dependency for boot. So
mount service will wait for a minute or so for the device to become
ready and, if it doesn't (because the device isn't plugged in), you'll
get dropped to an emergency shell. You could get around this by adding
noauto to the options, but then the device won't get mounted at all.

I don't know (haven't looked actually, but I hope some kind soul knows
the answer) if there's an option that says This device is optional, but
if it IS there, mount it at boot.



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Re: [SOLVED] Re: systemd: some questions

[Brian]

On Fri 14 Feb 2014 at 10:52:45 +, Darac Marjal wrote:
 
 I don't know (haven't looked actually, but I hope some kind soul knows
 the answer) if there's an option that says This device is optional, but
 if it IS there, mount it at boot.

I've not followed through on the advice it gives, but is systemd.mount(5)
in any way helpful?


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Re: [SOLVED] Re: systemd: some questions

[Reco]

 Hi.

On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 10:52:45AM +, Darac Marjal wrote:
 I have noticed this with systemd, too. Under SysV, you can have a line
 like the above and it's treated as If the above device is available,
 mount it, otherwise display an error (but the boot will continue to run,
 if possible). Under systemd, though, the assumption appears to be that
 if you listed it in /etc/fstab, then it's a dependency for boot. So
 mount service will wait for a minute or so for the device to become
 ready and, if it doesn't (because the device isn't plugged in), you'll
 get dropped to an emergency shell. You could get around this by adding
 noauto to the options, but then the device won't get mounted at all.

Debian's sysvinit works like that. RedHat's sysvinit drops to
single-user in these circumstances.
Guess which sysvinit behaviour was copied in systemd.


 I don't know (haven't looked actually, but I hope some kind soul knows
 the answer) if there's an option that says This device is optional, but
 if it IS there, mount it at boot.

fstab(5) mentions 'nofail' mount option, which should mean 'do not
report errors for this device if it does not exist'.

But, given systemd insists on using its' own mount implementation, I'm
not sure whenever systemd honors this flag.

Reco


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Re: [SOLVED] Re: systemd: some questions

[Brian]

On Fri 14 Feb 2014 at 15:48:43 +0400, Reco wrote:

 But, given systemd insists on using its' own mount implementation, I'm
 not sure whenever systemd honors this flag.

There is no reason why it shouldn't and it does. Tested.


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Re: [SOLVED] Re: systemd: some questions

[Darac Marjal]

On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 12:40:34PM +, Brian wrote:
 On Fri 14 Feb 2014 at 15:48:43 +0400, Reco wrote:
 
  But, given systemd insists on using its' own mount implementation, I'm
  not sure whenever systemd honors this flag.
 
 There is no reason why it shouldn't and it does. Tested.

Ah, lovely. I'll add that for the backup drive I have.

See! The system(d) works!



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Re: [SOLVED] Re: systemd: some questions [OT]

[Paul E Condon]

On 20140214_124034, Brian wrote:
 On Fri 14 Feb 2014 at 15:48:43 +0400, Reco wrote:
 
  But, given systemd insists on using its' own mount implementation, I'm
  not sure whenever systemd honors this flag.
 
 There is no reason why it shouldn't and it does. Tested.
   ^^

I wish it were true, but there is always the possibility of a bug.
It's nice to see that systemd has gotten past this problem.
Apparently not everyone in Userland is aware of option 'nofail'
(surprise, surprise!!).  

If anyone wants to persue this further, I suggest that they look in
the bug tracking system of systemd. If they find a bug fix about
nofail, I would be a tiny bit disappointed. My hope is that there is
no bug fix. That would indicate that the initial implentation included
proper handling of nofail.

Up until the last week or two, I was totally uninformed on this
init-system issue.  Now I'm sufficiently informed to be interested in
switching to systemd soon, but not yet. This whole kerfuffle has been
quite helpful to me.

Thanks to all contributers.

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Re: [SOLVED] Re: systemd: some questions

[Reco]

On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 12:40:34 +
Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote:

 On Fri 14 Feb 2014 at 15:48:43 +0400, Reco wrote:
 
  But, given systemd insists on using its' own mount implementation, I'm
  not sure whenever systemd honors this flag.
 
 There is no reason why it shouldn't and it does. Tested.

I disagree with the first part of your statement, but it's good to know
that in this case systemd's mount is working as man says. Thank you for
the testing.

Reco


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Re: [SOLVED] Re: systemd: some questions

[Tom H]

On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 5:52 AM, Darac Marjal mailingl...@darac.org.uk wrote:
 On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 06:57:36PM +0100, Hans wrote:
 Am Donnerstag, 13. Februar 2014, 16:05:47 schrieb Jonathan Dowland:
 On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 03:16:12PM +0100, Hans wrote:

 Maybe I missed something? Or is systemd still not working with
 encrypted partitions? There was nothing in the doc about it (as far as
 I read)

 I use systemd with encrypted partitions without problems.

 Can you boot the machine, and at the grub prompt, edit the command line
 and confirm what the 'init=' argument is? Additionally if there's a
 quiet option on the command line, please delete it and try to boot.
 Does that show any diagnostic information?

 All right, I guess, I found the solution by removing quiet the grub
 commandline.

 For those, who got into the same problem as me, here is what I did:

 As I wanted to choose between automatically lock up my encrypted partitions 
 by
 an usb stick or by hand, I commented out the following line in /etc/fstab

 # /dev/disk/by-label/UIT-KEY/media  vfatuid=0,gid=0,umask=277
 0   0

 I have noticed this with systemd, too. Under SysV, you can have a line
 like the above and it's treated as If the above device is available,
 mount it, otherwise display an error (but the boot will continue to run,
 if possible). Under systemd, though, the assumption appears to be that
 if you listed it in /etc/fstab, then it's a dependency for boot. So
 mount service will wait for a minute or so for the device to become
 ready and, if it doesn't (because the device isn't plugged in), you'll
 get dropped to an emergency shell. You could get around this by adding
 noauto to the options, but then the device won't get mounted at all.

The nofail fstab option will turn an fstab-listed filesystem into a
non-blocking requirement/dependency - the actual systemd lingo escapes
me...


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Re: systemd: some questions

[Hans]

Hi list, 

sorry, it is me again. ASfter I installed systemd and addded init=/bin/systemd 
into grub (like the README told), the boot hangs. The debian wiki says 
init=/lib/systemd/systemd, but that is afaik nearly the same.

I suppose, it is because my partitzions are encrypted and are mounted as 
/dev/mapper/xxx and not as /xxx.

Is there something known about using encrypted partitions? I have the root-
partition ( = / ) and the partition, where the kernel resides ( = /boot) 
unencryptetd. They work well. But when the boot will get access to the 
encrypted partitions it hangs. My encrypted partitions are /home, /usr and 
/var and need interactive password input. The swap is NOT encrypted ( I read 
some issues about encrypted swap partitions).

Maybe I missed something? Or is systemd still not working with encrypted 
partitions? There was nothing in the doc about it (as far as I read)

Any hints are welcome.

Best regards

Hans





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Re: systemd: some questions

[Christoph Anton Mitterer]

On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 15:16 +0100, Hans wrote:
 Is there something known about using encrypted partitions? I have the root-
 partition ( = / ) and the partition, where the kernel resides ( = /boot) 
 unencryptetd. They work well. But when the boot will get access to the 
 encrypted partitions it hangs. My encrypted partitions are /home, /usr and 
 /var and need interactive password input. The swap is NOT encrypted ( I read 
 some issues about encrypted swap partitions).

If you use keyscripts, then these are not yet supported.


Cheers,
Chris.


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Re: systemd: some questions

[Gilles Mocellin]

Le 13/02/2014 15:16, Hans a écrit :

Hi list,

sorry, it is me again. ASfter I installed systemd and addded init=/bin/systemd
into grub (like the README told), the boot hangs. The debian wiki says
init=/lib/systemd/systemd, but that is afaik nearly the same.

I suppose, it is because my partitzions are encrypted and are mounted as
/dev/mapper/xxx and not as /xxx.

Is there something known about using encrypted partitions? I have the root-
partition ( = / ) and the partition, where the kernel resides ( = /boot)
unencryptetd. They work well. But when the boot will get access to the
encrypted partitions it hangs. My encrypted partitions are /home, /usr and
/var and need interactive password input. The swap is NOT encrypted ( I read
some issues about encrypted swap partitions).

Maybe I missed something? Or is systemd still not working with encrypted
partitions? There was nothing in the doc about it (as far as I read)

Any hints are welcome.

Best regards

Hans


There should not be any problem with crypted disks (luks).
I use systemd on wheezy with brtfs on luks for everything except /boot 
and it works.



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Re: systemd: some questions

[Jonathan Dowland]

On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 03:16:12PM +0100, Hans wrote:
 Maybe I missed something? Or is systemd still not working with
 encrypted partitions? There was nothing in the doc about it (as far as
 I read)

I use systemd with encrypted partitions without problems.

Can you boot the machine, and at the grub prompt, edit the command line
and confirm what the 'init=' argument is? Additionally if there's a
quiet option on the command line, please delete it and try to boot.
Does that show any diagnostic information?


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[SOLVED] Re: systemd: some questions

[Hans]

Am Donnerstag, 13. Februar 2014, 16:05:47 schrieb Jonathan Dowland:
 On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 03:16:12PM +0100, Hans wrote:
  Maybe I missed something? Or is systemd still not working with
  encrypted partitions? There was nothing in the doc about it (as far as
  I read)
 
 I use systemd with encrypted partitions without problems.
 
 Can you boot the machine, and at the grub prompt, edit the command line
 and confirm what the 'init=' argument is? Additionally if there's a
 quiet option on the command line, please delete it and try to boot.
 Does that show any diagnostic information?

All right, I guess, I found the solution by removing quiet the grub 
commandline.

For those, who got into the same problem as me, here is what I did:

As I wanted to choose between automatically lock up my encrypted partitions by 
an usb stick or by hand, I commented out the following line in /etc/fstab
 
# /dev/disk/by-label/UIT-KEY/media  vfatuid=0,gid=0,umask=277   
0   0


This was the first point, systemd hanged, because it got into a loop and tried 
to find the stick over and over again.

In /etc/crypttab I removed the following lines, too, as they are related to 
the usb stick, too.

# home UUID=eab02575-9a67-466f-b44a-ef29ff76053e /media/key1 luks,discard
# usr UUID=7deb2088-44e1-4558-8e84-c5fcb4d2fd2d /media/key1 luks,discard
# var UUID=2318e3e6-0377-4633-9ab5-7fdac9cea2a9 /media/key1 luks,discard

This was the second loop, where systemd hanged and counted over and over from 
1 to 6.


After I commented out these lines from above files, I could enter my encryption 
passwords and booting worked as wished. Besides, I was impressed how fast it 
booted! Wow!

If some maintainer is reading this, some little feedback. It would be nice, 
when the message, that the partition is successfully checked would not appear 
direct in the linbe, where I want to enter the password. Just not a function 
problem, more a cosmetic part. Oh, do not hurry, I can wait!!! 

Again, I was impressed, how fast it boots, makes my ssd looking like in turbo 
mode. I will now install systemd on my EEEPC, my old single-core AMD amd64 
desktop and on my other older computers. After some testing on different 
hardware I will just give another feedback.

Thank you for any help.

happy hacking

Hans



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Re: [SOLVED] Re: systemd: some questions

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 18:57 +0100, Hans wrote:
 Again, I was impressed, how fast it boots

For machines that fit to my needs, the startup time between upstart,
systemd and SysVint doesn't variate that much. Yes, startup when using
upstart and systemd is faster, than when using SysVinit. I need to use a
stopwatch, but I suspect it's something like 7 seconds vs 9 seconds for
my installs. Even if it would be 1 second vs 1 minute, how often do we
turn off and on our PCs? When I mention a PC I exclude tablet PCs.


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Re: [SOLVED] Re: systemd: some questions

[Hans]

Am Donnerstag, 13. Februar 2014, 19:27:00 schrieb Ralf Mardorf:
 On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 18:57 +0100, Hans wrote:
  Again, I was impressed, how fast it boots
 
 For machines that fit to my needs, the startup time between upstart,
 systemd and SysVint doesn't variate that much. Yes, startup when using
 upstart and systemd is faster, than when using SysVinit. I need to use a
 stopwatch, but I suspect it's something like 7 seconds vs 9 seconds for
 my installs. Even if it would be 1 second vs 1 minute, how often do we
 turn off and on our PCs? When I mention a PC I exclude tablet PCs.
Hi Ralf, 

yes, you are right. We do not often starting our computers, and in my special 
case, where I have to enter the passwords for lock up the encrypted partitions 
manually, booting speed is far from importance.

However, the shutdown sequence is much, much faster than before, which is 
sometimes important for me, when I am doing special things.

Besides, 7 to 9 seconds, equals about 23 percent is not much, but I think it 
might be more. Estimated 50 - 60 percent faster, but I also should measure it 
by a stopwatch. 

Still be impressed. :)

best regards

Hans 


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Re: [SOLVED] Re: systemd: some questions

[Slavko]

Hi,

Dňa Thu, 13 Feb 2014 19:27:00 +0100 Ralf Mardorf
ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net napísal:

 use a stopwatch, but I suspect it's something like 7 seconds vs 9
 seconds for my installs. Even if it would be 1 second vs 1 minute,
 how often do we turn off and on our PCs? When I mention a PC I
 exclude tablet PCs.

Good point!

I am far from writing which system is better, but servers, which i
maintain, are rebooted only on kernel updates. How often it happens?
Once, twice per half of year? Nice, 4 or 8 seconds per server and year?
Very important in my life! ;-)

Ah, yes, there are companies, where these 8 seconds are money. Bot for
who is Debian? For people or for companies? OK, the decision was done,
but the story is not at the end.

There is a place to create choice in installer, to select what one
want to use, if to use the old init scripts or ne systemd. And
will not matter, what will be set as default, if one or second choice.
I mean something similar as there is for GRUB/LILO already.

When this will be done, then there will be real choice. By now, the
choice is mostly in theory - yes, it is possible, but...

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systemd: some questions

[Hans]

Hi all, 

as I welcome and want to test the new systemd, but not break my system, I have 
some questions. Hope, they can be easily answered and are not too dumb.

1. Must I install systemd-sysv additionally to systemd?

2. Must I remove the essential package sysvinit?

3. Is the entry in ther commandline of grub init=7lib/systemd/systemd needed? 
(My system hangs, when this is used)

4. Are there other things, which I have to pay attention for and I forgot to 
mention here?

I am running debian-amd/testing on this system, /usr, /home and /var are 
encrypted, but not / and /swap. Packages are up-to-date today.

Thanks for any hints.

Best regards

Hans


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Re: systemd: some questions

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 21:28 +0100, Hans wrote:
 as I welcome and want to test the new systemd, but not break my system, I 
 have 
 some questions.

Perhaps you should clone your install, keep the original as is and
switch to systemd only for the clone.

Where to get help?

As systemd is a very young project (see [1]), we would appreciate to use
the existing upstream infrastructure like mailing-list [2], IRC
(#debian-systemd) and read Lennart's blog [3], etc. for following the
development. Follow upstream systemd development on #systemd
(irc.freenode.net) and join #debian-systemd (irc.oftc.net) for
Debian-specific discussion. Anyway, Debian-specific bugs should be sent
to Debian-BTS (for example use report-bug tool). -
https://wiki.debian.org/systemd


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Re: systemd: some questions

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Mi, 12 feb 14, 21:28:19, Hans wrote:
 Hi all, 
 
 as I welcome and want to test the new systemd, but not break my system, I 
 have 
 some questions. Hope, they can be easily answered and are not too dumb.
 
 1. Must I install systemd-sysv additionally to systemd?

No.

 2. Must I remove the essential package sysvinit?

No.

 3. Is the entry in ther commandline of grub init=7lib/systemd/systemd needed? 
 (My system hangs, when this is used)

According to /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian this should be

init=/bin/systemd

(works here)

 4. Are there other things, which I have to pay attention for and I forgot to 
 mention here?

If you're comfortable with editing grub menu items on the go I would 
suggest you do that so a simple reboot brings you back to sysv.

Later, if/when you are comfortable with a more permanent change you can 
put it in /etc/default/grub or install systemd-sysv.

Kind regards,
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Re: systemd: some questions

[Tom H]

On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Hans hans.ullr...@loop.de wrote:


 1. Must I install systemd-sysv additionally to systemd?

No. Installing systemd-sysv will replace sysvinit's /sbin/init by a
symlink to /lib/systemd/systemd.


 2. Must I remove the essential package sysvinit?

No.

In jessie, sysvinit just provides four files in /usr/share/doc/

In jessie, /sbin/init is provided by sysvinit-core and it's the
latter that conflicts with systemd-sysv so there's no essential
package is removed.


 3. Is the entry in ther commandline of grub init=7lib/systemd/systemd needed?
 (My system hangs, when this is used)

(I assume that 7lib is /lib in grub.cfg)

At what point does it hang?


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Re: systemd: some questions

[Tom H]

On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Andrei POPESCU
andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mi, 12 feb 14, 21:28:19, Hans wrote:

 3. Is the entry in ther commandline of grub init=7lib/systemd/systemd needed?
 (My system hangs, when this is used)

 According to /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian this should be

 init=/bin/systemd

 (works here)

/bin/systemd is a symlink to /lib/systemd/systemd.

(both work here)


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Re: systemd: some questions

[Hans]

s removed.
 
  3. Is the entry in ther commandline of grub init=7lib/systemd/systemd
  needed? (My system hangs, when this is used)
 
 (I assume that 7lib is /lib in grub.cfg)
 
 At what point does it hang?

This was a typo. I meant /lib of course.

It hangs, when the / device is going to be mounted, which in my ccase is 
/dev/sda6. 

Due to the answers here I am going to test a little bit more. Besides, thanks 
folks!

If I know more, I will send message again.

Best

Hans

 


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Some Questions with an All Text System

[daniel jimenez]

Hello All,

After some 4 1/2 years of living with a linux-only system and getting
acquainted with several distros, I have finally chosen Debian as my OS.
Ever since I switched about a year ago I have had a wonderful experience
with a community which is strong and helpful.

About 2 months ago I started to test the idea of using a text-only
interface. Previous experience with Guake had made the transition easier
and in a short amount of time I started feeling much more productive when
using the computer. Lynx is my browser of choice since text-mode browsing
seems to counter my extreme tendency to procrastinate and link-surf while
connected to the net. I have added textto the kernel line at grub to
prevent running X at boot.

Now, to the questions!

1. How can I configure the system to boot into 'fbterm -S 16' (with the
size option) and then run 'tmux' if I am on a specified virtual terminal.
Say, tty 2 and 3.

2. How can I make it so mc and other programs can use the gpm mouse? If I
set the permissions of /dev/input/mice to 606 It works in the bare tty
term [and works with SDL apps too], but not under fbterm (or tmux under
fbterm).

3. How can I define mc as mc -S gotar.ini? or mocp as mocp -T
yellow_red_theme ? Where can I set those aliases (is that it?) at boot?

4. What is a good way to run SuperCollider?

Many thanks to all.

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Re: Some Questions with an All Text System

[green]

daniel jimenez wrote at 2012-07-19 17:35 -0500:
 3. How can I define mc as mc -S gotar.ini? or mocp as mocp -T
 yellow_red_theme ? Where can I set those aliases (is that it?) at boot?

Create `~/.bash_aliases`; that file should be referenced by `~/.bashrc`.  Add 
lines like:

alias mc='mc -S gotar.ini'
alias mocp='mocp -T yellow_red_theme'


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Re: Some questions about seting up wireless network between linuxand vista ;

[Emanoil Kotsev]

 3-first in vista ad-hoc wireless network has been created then in
 linux after runnig above command ,linux has been connected to vista
 but yet linux does not show vista shared folders ,what is/are the
 reason/s ?

 regards dehqan

   

 How about this:
 
 apt-cache search  smb browser
 komba2 - KDE Samba browser
 smb2www - SMB/CIFS network client with a web interface
 smb4k - A Samba (SMB) share advanced browser for KDE
 smbc - samba-commander - curses based samba network browser
 smbind - PHP-based tool for managing DNS zones for BIND
 swat - Samba Web Administration Tool
 xsmbrowser - X11 tool for navigating SMB Networks

or a firewall ... or you think it's connected but it's not ... can you ping
windows?


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Some questions about seting up wireless network between linux and vista ;

[a dehqan]

In The Name Of God
I'll be thankfull if you guide ;

Some questions about seting up wireless network between linux(debian
base) and vista ;

1-These steps have been done in linux:
ifconfig wlan0 down
/etc/dbus-1/event.d/25NetworkManager stop
iwconfig wlan0 mode ad-hoc
iwconfig wlan0 channel 6
iwconfig wlan0 essid allah
iwconfig wlan0 key 12346
ifconfig wlan0 up
ifconfig wlan0 192.168.0.1

This command set a key ,what is it encryption type ?WEP ?

2-On other side(vista),what type of athentication should be set ? no
athentication ? shared ? WAP2-personal ?

3-With which command ,will linux connect to the network that vista is
waiting in it ?

4-Should encryption type on each side be similar ?

5- With wifi-radar linux connects but it does not show any shared
folder of vista just there is a icon with the name of vista computer .

6- Can network be setup without any encryption and security types ?

Regards dehqan


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Re: Some questions about seting up wireless network between linux and vista ;

[Jochen Schulz]

a dehqan:

 In The Name Of God

Which one? :)

 ifconfig wlan0 down
 /etc/dbus-1/event.d/25NetworkManager stop
 iwconfig wlan0 mode ad-hoc
 iwconfig wlan0 channel 6
 iwconfig wlan0 essid allah
 iwconfig wlan0 key 12346

The latter enables WEP encryption. WEP is better than nothing, but
offers no real protection.

 This command set a key ,what is it encryption type ?WEP ?

Yes.

 2-On other side(vista),what type of athentication should be set ? no
 athentication ? shared ? WAP2-personal ?

All wifi station *must* use the same encryption settings. Otherwise,
they cannot talk to each other.

 3-With which command ,will linux connect to the network that vista is
 waiting in it ?

That depends on how you set up Vista. Generally, you need the same
settings on both sides.

 4-Should encryption type on each side be similar ?

Yes. (Or no: it is not that they should be similar, they *must* be
*equal*.)

 5- With wifi-radar linux connects but it does not show any shared
 folder of vista just there is a icon with the name of vista computer .

I do not know what wifi-radar is but it sounds like you try to look for
a network share with an inappropriate tool.

 6- Can network be setup without any encryption and security types ?

Yes.

J.
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Re: Some questions about seting up wireless network between linuxand vista ;

[owens]

 Original Message 
From: m...@well-adjusted.de
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Some questions about seting up wireless network between
linuxand vista ;
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 11:17:28 +0200

a dehqan:

 In The Name Of God

Which one? :)

 ifconfig wlan0 down
 /etc/dbus-1/event.d/25NetworkManager stop
 iwconfig wlan0 mode ad-hoc
 iwconfig wlan0 channel 6
 iwconfig wlan0 essid allah
 iwconfig wlan0 key 12346

The latter enables WEP encryption. WEP is better than nothing, but
offers no real protection.

 This command set a key ,what is it encryption type ?WEP ?

Yes.

 2-On other side(vista),what type of athentication should be set ?
no
 athentication ? shared ? WAP2-personal ?

All wifi station *must* use the same encryption settings. Otherwise,
they cannot talk to each other.

 3-With which command ,will linux connect to the network that vista
is
 waiting in it ?

That depends on how you set up Vista. Generally, you need the same
settings on both sides.

 4-Should encryption type on each side be similar ?

Yes. (Or no: it is not that they should be similar, they *must* be
*equal*.)

 5- With wifi-radar linux connects but it does not show any shared
 folder of vista just there is a icon with the name of vista
computer .

I do not know what wifi-radar is but it sounds like you try to look
for
a network share with an inappropriate tool.

 6- Can network be setup without any encryption and security types
?

Yes.

J.
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very
attractive.
[Agree]   [Disagree]
 http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.h
tml

If this is your first wi net experience I would recommend you install
the network first with no encryption and once it is operational add
the WPA
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Re: Some questions about seting up wireless network between linuxand vista ;

[a dehqan]

Thanks alot for your attentions ;

1-When fisrt ad-hoc is set in vista ,should be all these steps done in linux :

ifconfig wlan0 down
/etc/dbus-1/event.d/25NetworkManager stop
iwconfig wlan0 mode ad-hoc
iwconfig wlan0 channel 6
iwconfig wlan0 essid allah
iwconfig wlan0 key 12346
ifconfig wlan0 up
ifconfig wlan0 192.168.0.1

2- Can channel be set anyone of numbers 1-13 ? Or channel is specified
by adaptor ?

3-first in vista ad-hoc wireless network has been created then in
linux after runnig above command ,linux has been connected to vista
but yet linux does not show vista shared folders ,what is/are the
reason/s ?

regards dehqan

On 8/4/09, ow...@netptc.net ow...@netptc.net wrote:



 Original Message 
From: m...@well-adjusted.de
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Some questions about seting up wireless network between
linuxand vista ;
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 11:17:28 +0200

a dehqan:

 In The Name Of God

Which one? :)

 ifconfig wlan0 down
 /etc/dbus-1/event.d/25NetworkManager stop
 iwconfig wlan0 mode ad-hoc
 iwconfig wlan0 channel 6
 iwconfig wlan0 essid allah
 iwconfig wlan0 key 12346

The latter enables WEP encryption. WEP is better than nothing, but
offers no real protection.

 This command set a key ,what is it encryption type ?WEP ?

Yes.

 2-On other side(vista),what type of athentication should be set ?
no
 athentication ? shared ? WAP2-personal ?

All wifi station *must* use the same encryption settings. Otherwise,
they cannot talk to each other.

 3-With which command ,will linux connect to the network that vista
is
 waiting in it ?

That depends on how you set up Vista. Generally, you need the same
settings on both sides.

 4-Should encryption type on each side be similar ?

Yes. (Or no: it is not that they should be similar, they *must* be
*equal*.)

 5- With wifi-radar linux connects but it does not show any shared
 folder of vista just there is a icon with the name of vista
computer .

I do not know what wifi-radar is but it sounds like you try to look
for
a network share with an inappropriate tool.

 6- Can network be setup without any encryption and security types
?

Yes.

J.
--
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very
attractive.
[Agree]   [Disagree]
 http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.h
tml

 If this is your first wi net experience I would recommend you install
 the network first with no encryption and once it is operational add
 the WPA
 Larry



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Re: Some questions about seting up wireless network between linuxand vista ;

[Chris Parker]

a dehqan wrote:
 Thanks alot for your attentions ;

 1-When fisrt ad-hoc is set in vista ,should be all these steps done in linux :

 ifconfig wlan0 down
 /etc/dbus-1/event.d/25NetworkManager stop
 iwconfig wlan0 mode ad-hoc
 iwconfig wlan0 channel 6
 iwconfig wlan0 essid allah
 iwconfig wlan0 key 12346
 ifconfig wlan0 up
 ifconfig wlan0 192.168.0.1

 2- Can channel be set anyone of numbers 1-13 ? Or channel is specified
 by adaptor ?

 3-first in vista ad-hoc wireless network has been created then in
 linux after runnig above command ,linux has been connected to vista
 but yet linux does not show vista shared folders ,what is/are the
 reason/s ?

 regards dehqan

   

How about this:

apt-cache search  smb browser
komba2 - KDE Samba browser
smb2www - SMB/CIFS network client with a web interface
smb4k - A Samba (SMB) share advanced browser for KDE
smbc - samba-commander - curses based samba network browser
smbind - PHP-based tool for managing DNS zones for BIND
swat - Samba Web Administration Tool
xsmbrowser - X11 tool for navigating SMB Networks





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some questions about debian-installer

[schoappied]

Hi,

I want to make a custom live-cd and have some questions about the debian 
installer:


1) is it possible to enable a windows installer, which makes users able 
to install Debian when in Windows? (Like Ubuntu has)


2) It is possible to let the installer set UUID in the /etc/fstab? (I 
probably want to use a Sidux kernel).



3) is it possible to enable sudo in the install process? So new users 
are added also to the sudo group?



Thanks in advance,

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Re: some questions about debian-installer

[Celejar]

On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 23:45:47 +0100
schoappied schoapp...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,
 
 I want to make a custom live-cd and have some questions about the debian 
 installer:
 
 1) is it possible to enable a windows installer, which makes users able 
 to install Debian when in Windows? (Like Ubuntu has)

See

http://goodbye-microsoft.com/

BTW, I notice that this link:

http://goodbye-microsoft.com/demo.html

complains that:

[Your browser does not support the video element. Firefox 3.1 supports
it.]

I'm running IW 3.0.5, current for Sid.  What's up with the message?
Are they really requiring 3.1?  Is this that user-agent string nonsense?

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Video tag (was Re: some questions about debian-installer)

[Ron Johnson]

On 01/18/2009 06:18 PM, Celejar wrote:

On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 23:45:47 +0100
schoappied schoapp...@gmail.com wrote:


Hi,

I want to make a custom live-cd and have some questions about the debian 
installer:


1) is it possible to enable a windows installer, which makes users able 
to install Debian when in Windows? (Like Ubuntu has)


See

http://goodbye-microsoft.com/

BTW, I notice that this link:

http://goodbye-microsoft.com/demo.html

complains that:

[Your browser does not support the video element. Firefox 3.1 supports
it.]

I'm running IW 3.0.5, current for Sid.  What's up with the message?
Are they really requiring 3.1?  Is this that user-agent string nonsense?


They are using a feature of HTML5 which few browsers support.

Note, though, the Direct link to video, which runs the video in a 
separate window.


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Re: etch setup and some questions

[tejas]

lostson wrote:
 Hello 
 I have recently converted my machines over to Debian and am very happy.

A few things I would like to know though

 #1 I currently have gnome installed can I install KDE and remove gnome
and if so how ?

 #2 I like gnome but am a little disappointed in the fact that debian is
only at version 2.14.3 is this how it will stay ? 
There is a 2.16 backport at 
http://people.debian.org/~nobse/etch/gnome2.16/. You can use it. And if 
you try it, you may tell us the results, eg. did it broke anything, is 
it stable enough etc.




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Re: etch setup and some questions

[lostson]

On Sat, 2007-07-28 at 12:00 +0300, tejas wrote:
 lostson wrote:
   Hello 
   I have recently converted my machines over to Debian and am very happy.
  A few things I would like to know though
  
   #1 I currently have gnome installed can I install KDE and remove gnome
  and if so how ?
  
   #2 I like gnome but am a little disappointed in the fact that debian is
  only at version 2.14.3 is this how it will stay ? 
 There is a 2.16 backport at 
 http://people.debian.org/~nobse/etch/gnome2.16/. You can use it. And if 
 you try it, you may tell us the results, eg. did it broke anything, is 
 it stable enough etc.

 Will have to look into this, this weekend. backports is great I have
gotten gajim upadted thanks to backports. Thanks for the info!
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Re: etch setup and some questions

[Manon Metten]

Hi LostSon,

On 7/25/07, lostson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 ... I have read that once a debian release goes into stable like

etch has you do not see very many updates or new apps just security and
bug fixes mostly.

I know about enabling testing and such but I have done that once and it
broke my machine pretty bad, so I do not wish to go down that road
again.




Check out this link: http://www.backports.org/

Here's the intro from their home page:

Introduction

You are running Debian stable, because you prefer the stable Debian tree. It
runs great, there is just one problem: the software is a little bit outdated
compared to other distributions. That is where backports come in.

Backports are recompiled packages from testing (mostly) and unstable (in a
few cases only, e.g. security updates), so they will run without new
libraries (wherever it is possible) on a stable Debian distribution. I
recommend you to pick out single backports which fits your needs, and not to
use all backports available here.

Manon.

etch setup and some questions

[lostson]

 Hello 
 I have recently converted my machines over to Debian and am very happy.
A few things I would like to know though

 #1 I currently have gnome installed can I install KDE and remove gnome
and if so how ?

 #2 I like gnome but am a little disappointed in the fact that debian is
only at version 2.14.3 is this how it will stay ? Or as time goes along
will this get updated as well. The same goes for gajim the current
version in stable is 0.10.1 but the newest version on the website is 
0.11.1. I have read that once a debian release goes into stable like
etch has you do not see very many updates or new apps just security and
bug fixes mostly.

 I know about enabling testing and such but I have done that once and it
broke my machine pretty bad, so I do not wish to go down that road
again.

 Mostly I have been greatly impressed my laptop works flawlessly and so
does my desktop I couldn't be happier!! I am sure I have more questions
just can't remember them all, thanks ahead of time.
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Re: etch setup and some questions

[David Fox]

On 7/24/07, lostson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


#1 I currently have gnome installed can I install KDE and remove gnome
and if so how ?



Sure, aptitude install kde would bring in the metapackage; hence, most or
all of KDE. As for removing gnome, I guess you can do that too: aptitude
remove gnome. OTOH, it may be better to leave installed -- I am not sure
what dependencies would cause issues were you to just remove the
metapackage. If you need the disk space, and don't need gnome (although
there are some gnome-like applications that use its libraries, I would
think) then go ahead and get rid of it.



#2 I like gnome but am a little disappointed in the fact that debian is

only at version 2.14.3 is this how it will stay ? Or as time goes along



It should update from time to time. However, etch is a stable version, which
means that no new upgrades (such as a new gnome) would be available. You
could live with that, or try getting involved in Lenny (testing) or Sid
(unstable) versions, which might have newer versions of gnome installed.

It seems that Lenny (testing) has 2.4.3-6 if I interpret correctly. But I
don't use gnome.

As to whether it's worth it to ride the testing branch for a newer version I
would not be able to provide a decent enough answer :(.



will this get updated as well. The same goes for gajim the current

version in stable is 0.10.1 but the newest version on the website is



I'm not sure what version of which package you're referring to.


I know about enabling testing and such but I have done that once and it

broke my machine pretty bad, so I do not wish to go down that road
again.



You have to be careful - and it may depend on  when in the cycle you do the
upgrade.


LostSon

Re: [BackupPC-users] some questions...

[Filipe]

Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom escreveu:

On 12/19 07:17 , Filipe wrote:
  
Using Backuppc (debian) successfully  in my company for about 5 months, 
backing up 6 winXX shares using samba.

The machine is a simple Pentium 4 with a 40GB HD that is getting full.
Already ordered a 250GB ata100 hd. but I'm not sure what to do...
should I use the 250Gb for the data only, or just replace the hd's using 
ghost?!



move the contents of /var/lib/backuppc (or whereever your data pool is) to
the new drive, and then mount the new drive on /var/lib/backuppc. It's a
very good idea to have your data on a separate drive from the OS. At the
very least, use a separate partition on disk. 


also, I would suggest using LVM on the data partition/disk. this will allow
you to add space much more easily in the future; or move your data to
another disk.

  


thanks...
but if I have 2 drives like that, what should I do if one fails?
wasn't it better to ghost de 40gb to the 250gb and then let only de 
250gb running this way I have de 40gb drive off the computer in case of 
some problem that may occur to the new drive...


anyway, anyone knows more about the archive funciton?

I set my winXP machine to archive.
I have the option to archive in the webconfig, but it does not work... 
how it work's? what parameters should I add to config.pl? it is a 
windows machine...

Some questions from new debian user

[Serge Matveev]

I installed Debian testing (after about year timeout) and now I have
some questions:

- Right after install gdm displayed self on my language (Russian), but
  after some additional packets (or upgrades) he lost this ability - now
  it displays self only in english. Where I can fix this?

- How I can run linux_logo on all consoles? This method looks ugly :-(

  cat /etc/issue  /etc/issue.linuxlogo 
  cp /etc/issue.linuxlogo /etc/issue

- How I can setup font lookup order in X. If I have two fonts with the
  same alias (9x16 by example) - one with western symbols and other -
  with cyrrilic, how I can set cyriilic alias to be main?

- setserial sets my internal modem speed to 9600 on every reboot. How 
  I can fix this? My modem uses ttyS0

- which font uses KDE file manager to display preview, if I keep mouse
  coursor over text file? Riht after install this preview was fine, but
  now it don't show cyrllic letters. Instead I see space.


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Re: Some questions from new debian user

[Thomas Adam]

 --- Serge Matveev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 I installed Debian testing (after about year timeout) and now I have
 some questions:
 
 - Right after install gdm displayed self on my language (Russian),
 but
   after some additional packets (or upgrades) he lost this ability -
 now
   it displays self only in english. Where I can fix this?

Sounds like a locale issue to me. dpkf-reconfigure locales.
 
 - How I can run linux_logo on all consoles? This method looks ugly
 :-(
 
   cat /etc/issue  /etc/issue.linuxlogo 
   cp /etc/issue.linuxlogo /etc/issue

What linux logo is this?

 - How I can setup font lookup order in X. If I have two fonts with
 the
   same alias (9x16 by example) - one with western symbols and other
 -
   with cyrrilic, how I can set cyriilic alias to be main?

The order that the fonts are searched in is dependant on the order that
the font lines are listed in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 -- change them around.

 - setserial sets my internal modem speed to 9600 on every reboot.
 How 
   I can fix this? My modem uses ttyS0

dpkg-reconfigure setserial

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Re: Some questions from new debian user

[Serge Matveev]

On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 18:46:53 + (GMT) Thomas Adam wrote:
 TA  --- Serge Matveev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 I installed Debian testing (after about year timeout) and now I have
 some questions:
 - Right after install gdm displayed self on my language (Russian),
 but
   after some additional packets (or upgrades) he lost this ability -
 now
   it displays self only in english. Where I can fix this?
 TA Sounds like a locale issue to me. dpkf-reconfigure locales.

No. I have russian locale.

 - How I can run linux_logo on all consoles? This method looks ugly
 
   cat /etc/issue  /etc/issue.linuxlogo 
   cp /etc/issue.linuxlogo /etc/issue

 TA What linux logo is this?

apt-cache show linuxlogo

 - How I can setup font lookup order in X. If I have two fonts with
 the
   same alias (9x16 by example) - one with western symbols and other
 -
   with cyrrilic, how I can set cyriilic alias to be main?
 TA The order that the fonts are searched in is dependant on the order that
 TA the font lines are listed in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 -- change them around.

Hm, but I have XF86Config-4 maged by debconf :-(

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Re: Some questions from new debian user

[Rich Rudnick]

On Wed, 2005-01-05 at 00:16 +0300, Serge Matveev wrote:
 On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 18:46:53 + (GMT) Thomas Adam wrote:
  TA  --- Serge Matveev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  - How I can setup font lookup order in X. If I have two fonts with
  the
same alias (9x16 by example) - one with western symbols and other
  -
with cyrrilic, how I can set cyriilic alias to be main?
  TA The order that the fonts are searched in is dependant on the order that
  TA the font lines are listed in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 -- change them around.
 
 Hm, but I have XF86Config-4 maged by debconf :-(

You've stumbled upon upon an edge case for debian's configuration
system. Or, hopefully, it's not such an edge case and the cyrillic
desktop or environment will fit your needs.

But, fundamentally, debconf will only get you most of the way to what
you need personally. (It's not intended to get you all the way, the
maintainers have a little more humility than that :) Your own hand
crafted configurations to match your needs and hardware that the debconf
system pretty much leaves alone is not only debian's strength (IMHO) but
it's where you will inevitably end up if you stay with debian for long.
So if you are an edge case start now, move the Font lines around in
XF86Config-4 and get what you want.


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Some questions

[sala_ubr]

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Re: KDE - GNOME (some Questions)

[cr]

On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 00:29, Shri Shrikumar wrote:
 Hi All,

 I recently switched from KDE to GNOME and I love it. However, I have a
 few questions that I hope someone can answer.

 * How can I use the win key. In the shortcuts setting, whenever I click
 the win key - the shortcut just turns to disabled. Other key
 combinations with Ctrl, Alt etc. work. Win works with KDE as well.

 * KDE has this neat feature where you can right click the window taskbar
 and select Always On Top Is it possible to get this with GNOME?

 * How can I hide the mount points from the desktop - I have a few
 network shares and the icons on the desktop are very annoying and space
 consuming.

 * Also, does anyone know of a good PHP editor like Quanta. I tried
 bluefish but it doesnt let me change the background color from white.

Quanta seems to run fine under Gnome  (not that I use more than a fraction of 
its capabilities)..   

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KDE - GNOME (some Questions)

[Shri Shrikumar]

Hi All,

I recently switched from KDE to GNOME and I love it. However, I have a
few questions that I hope someone can answer.

* How can I use the win key. In the shortcuts setting, whenever I click
the win key - the shortcut just turns to disabled. Other key
combinations with Ctrl, Alt etc. work. Win works with KDE as well.

* KDE has this neat feature where you can right click the window taskbar
and select Always On Top Is it possible to get this with GNOME?

* How can I hide the mount points from the desktop - I have a few
network shares and the icons on the desktop are very annoying and space
consuming.

* Also, does anyone know of a good PHP editor like Quanta. I tried
bluefish but it doesnt let me change the background color from white.

Thanks for the help.

Best Wishes,

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Hi,some questions

[dketelsen]

Re: info,some questions

[slinf1]

Your message seemed to be empty.

debian-user-french wrote:

Some questions about file permissions

[Robert Wilhelm Land]

I would grately appreciate some help in understanding
file permissions.
The first one is the lower and uppercase 's' in:

drwxr-sr-x    2 rland    rland        4096 Jun  4 11:43 files
drwx--S---    2 rland    rland        4096 Sep 27  2001 nsmail


Then, some file permission strings have a  'b' (=blockdevice?)

and a 'c' - what are these for ?



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Re: Some questions about file permissions

[Colin Watson]

On Tue, Oct 01, 2002 at 12:25:30PM +0200, Robert Wilhelm Land wrote:
 I would grately appreciate some help in understanding
 file permissions.
 The first one is the lower and uppercase 's' in:
 
 drwxr-sr-x ?? 2 rland ?? rland ?? ? ? 4096 Jun? 4 11:43 files
 drwx--S--- ?? 2 rland ?? rland ?? ? ? 4096 Sep 27? 2001 nsmail

The info documentation for ls says this:

`s'
  If the setuid or setgid bit and the corresponding executable
  bit are both set.

`S'
  If the setuid or setgid bit is set but the corresponding
  executable bit is not set.

 Then, some file permission strings have a? 'b' (=blockdevice?)

Yes.

 and a 'c' - what are these for ?

Character device. Both of these refer to various device drivers in the
kernel.

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Re: alpha-release of a bug-report some questions

[John Habermann]

Here is a copy of /etc/apt/sources.list. I run unstable and although I am in 
Australia often find that it is quicker to run it of the main US servers 
which is why they are the uncommented ones. If you want to get your system to 
woody (ie testing) just uncomment the lines pointing to testing and comment 
out the lines pointing to unstable and then run apt-get update to update your 
package list and then apt-get upgrade.
This will upgrade everything to testing and hopefully pull in the packages 
you are missing. If you then want to get any packages from unstable edit the 
sources.list file again and comment out testing and uncomment unstable. Then 
run apt-get install whatever the name of the package/packages. If you try and 
install something using dselect it will try to upgrade all your other 
packages as well. I am sure there probably is a way to stop it doing this but 
I haven't taken the time to figure it out and just install use apt-get if I 
want to install a particular package without upgrading everything. 

If you do have a new hardware you might consider running unstable as that 
will give you access to the latest xfree86 and also the newest kernels. To 
see what kernel versions are available try apt-cache search kernel.

Hope this is some use.

# See sources.list(5) for more information, especialy
# Remember that you can only use http, ftp or file URIs
# CDROMs are managed through the apt-cdrom tool.
#deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free
#deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib 
non-free
#deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free

# Uncomment if you want the apt-get source function to work
#deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free
#deb-src http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable non-US

#deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 2.2 r2 _Potato_ - Official i386 Binary-1 
(20001207)]/ unstable contrib main non-US/contrib non-US/main

#deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free
#deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US testing/non-US main non-free

deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free
deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US unstable/non-US main non-free

#deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian woody main non-free contrib
#deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free

#deb http://ftp.au.debian.org/pub/debian woody main contrib non-free
#deb http://ftp.au.debian.org/pub/debian-non-US woody/non-US main non-free

#deb http://ftp.au.debian.org/pub/debian sid main contrib non-free
#deb http://ftp.au.debian.org/pub/debian-non-US sid/non-US main non-free


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alpha-release of a bug-report some questions

[Piotr Sawuk]

the installation was quite flawlessly, except that I found no instructions on
how to download the whole thing with dap (download accelerator) in windows
(which would have been a lot faster than apt-get) and configure sources.list to
accept that download as a valid mirror. anyway, I configured sources.list to
search at the gd.tuwien mirror, and selected nearly all package-groups. the
first problem I discovered was that the asus 7700 geforce2-card was not detected
automatically and so no x-server could get chosen. then no xf86config was
created as the computer kept repeating some error-message ad infinitum as in
some loop or whatever, so I was forced to stop it with control-c. at the end of
the configuration-process I did learn that some packets could not get installed
among them mailx at and logrotate (there where 4 packets). therefore I had no
x-login (xdm), but at least net-access did work (through lynx). no gpm got
installed (i've got a ps2-mouse here) and also nslookup didn't seem to exist.

because this agp-card is quite new (as is the rest of the computer) I thought I
would have more luck with the test-release -- which according to my research
does even contain the nvidia-drivers. so, I added a test into the lines of
/etc/apt/sources.list which had no non-us, and a test/non-us into the ones
devoted to non-us mirrors (there where 4 lines: 2 for gd.tuwien as package and
package-sources server, and 2 for a non-us mirror). I did this little tweaking
because without gpm I had no possibility to cutpaste the lines proposed at
debian.org under the topic of how top get access to the test-versions. then I
started dselect. while updating the server-info it reported some errors about
some missing directories. in the list of packages it did offer for selecting the
installed packages where already selected for an update and it wasn't clear for
me how to prevent that huge download. I decided that figuring out how to prevent
the download would take up as much time as the download itself, and so I did my
best to find xfree 4 kernel2.4.18 and nvidia as fast as possible and start the
download. I also tried to exclude mailx, but that somehow didn't work. I also
removed zope, as it had problems starting anyway. after another 3 hours of
downloading no installation got done at all. (while selecting there where many
packages which where recommended or suggested, but not present at the servers,
but nothing vital.) maybe some packages where installed (I think the new
apt-thingies asked me whether configure should ask questions or offer a
menu-interface, and considering that I I had no X running I did choose the
curses-menu), but certainly not all of the 0.3 giga of packages. in the least
neither xfree 4 nor the kernel did ask me any questions. so I did try some
random commands suggested in the error-messages, and I don't know how, but I did
get some packages to configure after all, but still no new kernel and no xfree.
the lack of gpm did bug me, and therefore I did start dselect again and choose
both gpm-packages (gpm itself and its lib). but the installation didn't install
anything after the download. remove did manage to remove the packages I didn't
need anymore (I'm wondering why it wasn't done automatically during install),
but configure did fail because of mailx complaining that my hostname didn't
match. it's true that BUSSIBÄR isn't a fqhn, so I changed it to
BUSSIBÄR.chello.at by appending the domain-name to the /etc/hostname file.
even after a restart that didn'T help anything (I don't know how I'm supposed to
change my hostname any other way, and typing it at the prompt is impossible
because the bash-prompt doesn't accept Ä). somehow debian did add mailx into
the list of packages-to-download even though I did choose mailutils (or however
this replacement-package containing this program was called) instead. but maybe
I'm mistaken here, and it was really that new package which did give this
message. I think, then I did try again that command which already was successful
at giving me at least some of the packages, and there I did choose that config
should ask all questions again and again. then I did select the option (of an
already configured package) that not just critical, but nearly all packages are
asking me questions, and this way I at least got into the xfree-configuration,
thereby getting a new xf86config -- although I still have the vga-server
selected as my default-server (because in the meantime I did start xf86config
only to stop it before the config-file was written). I didn't try X yet (what do
I need a vga-server for anyway?), but gpm still was not started or even
configured. what should I do next to get x and the new kernel running? how can I
install a package which already got downloaded but which does refuse to start
when I select configure? what do I need to get mailx to work? with a cable-modem
it isn't very smart to use sendmail, but maybe that's the solution? is it
correct that the configuration 

Debian package system; some questions :)

[I.J.W. Wever]

Hi list,

I've recently installed Debian2.2r5 from a mounted file system
(my windows disk): /mnt/hda5/dl/Linux/dists

In that directory I have directories /stable and /potato, which are identical
and both contain all available binaries for a 386 system (for some reason
the install program seemed to need this). I've been playing around with
dselect somewhat, always using that location as source.

I downloaded the .debs for Kernel2.4.18, glibc2.2.5, and XFree4.1.0 and
want to install these. Now my question: Where is the best place to put them,
how can I easily add them to the dselect 'source path' and do these package
have inherent dependencies that ensure me that the previous kernel, glibc
and Xfree are uninstalled?

sincerely,

Ivo Wever
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Re: Debian package system; some questions :)

[Colin Watson]

On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 07:06:12PM +0100, I.J.W. Wever wrote:
 I've recently installed Debian2.2r5 from a mounted file system
 (my windows disk): /mnt/hda5/dl/Linux/dists
 
 In that directory I have directories /stable and /potato, which are identical
 and both contain all available binaries for a 386 system (for some reason
 the install program seemed to need this). I've been playing around with
 dselect somewhat, always using that location as source.
 
 I downloaded the .debs for Kernel2.4.18, glibc2.2.5, and XFree4.1.0 and
 want to install these.

I strongly, strongly recommend that you don't try to install those
versions of glibc and xfree86 without upgrading wholesale to woody.
(There are packages of xfree86 backported to potato at
http://people.debian.org/~cpbotha/, which may be more suitable.)

 Now my question: Where is the best place to put them,

The easiest thing to do is to use an access method (like apt or
dpkg-ftp) that downloads them automatically from the net. If you can't
do that, put them in a separate directory on some local filesystem with
a similar structure to the archive you've already got -
dists/local/main/binary-i386/..., say, and use dpkg-scanpackages to
create a Packages file for them. This is more difficult though.

 how can I easily add them to the dselect 'source path'

Use the [A]ccess menu entry in dselect. I can't remember if you can use
multiple archives with the mounted method, though.

 and do these package have inherent dependencies that ensure me that
 the previous kernel, glibc and Xfree are uninstalled?

For the kernel, you don't need to worry about that, as you can have
multiple kernels installed. For glibc, the package name is the same and
you can't have two different versions of the same package installed
(but, as I said, I recommend against upgrading potato to glibc 2.2.5).
The xfree86 packages have conflicts that should force out packages that
have become obsolete with XFree86 4, but check
/usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/README.Debian-upgrade.gz after the
installation to make sure.

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Re: Debian package system; some questions :)

[Vineet Kumar]

* I.J.W. Wever ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [020305 10:39]:
 Hi list,
 
 I've recently installed Debian2.2r5 from a mounted file system
 (my windows disk): /mnt/hda5/dl/Linux/dists
 
 In that directory I have directories /stable and /potato, which are 
 identical
 and both contain all available binaries for a 386 system (for some reason
 the install program seemed to need this). I've been playing around with
 dselect somewhat, always using that location as source.
 
 I downloaded the .debs for Kernel2.4.18, glibc2.2.5, and XFree4.1.0 and
 want to install these. Now my question: Where is the best place to put them,
 how can I easily add them to the dselect 'source path' and do these package
 have inherent dependencies that ensure me that the previous kernel, glibc
 and Xfree are uninstalled?

kernel packages of different versions can coexist peacefully. The
postinstall script will set the newly-installed kernel to the default on
the next boot, and the old one should be available by typing LinuxOLD on
the LILO prompt.

Upgrading glibc will upgrade damn near everything else on your system.

X 4.x packages can also coexist with X3.x, at least to some degree, but
I'd recommend just removing your old X packages after installing the new
ones.

As for your questions about where to put the packages and stuff -- do
you not have a good fast connection? If you can afford to do network
installs, it will make keeping up with new packages for security updates
and the like much easier. Then you can just ad some deb http lines in
your /etc/apt/sources.list and be merry.

The reason I suggest that is that if you can do that, your best bet is
probably to upgrade your apt and dpkg to the testing versions (it wil
require you to upgrade a few other packages as well) and set up an
/etc/apt/preferences file. Then you can mix 'n match packages from
stable, testing, unstable to your heart's delight. You don't have to
store packages from any distro anywhere; they're always right there in
the archive available from the net.

If you don't have a good network connection that you can use for apt,
I think it's a long, hard road ahead. You'll end up having to fetch and
install many, many packages manually to keep up with dependencies. It'll
be just like running redhat. =)

If this is a pretty isolated occurrence, though, and you do want to just
have a few packages from unstable and the rest from stable, and you want
to go ahead and manually download packages as necessary, your best bet
is probably to set up a local file package repository. Here's how I have
it done:

I keep all the packages in
/usr/local/src/debian-local/dists/local/binary-i386
create a symlink to /dev/null in that directory called override.local.gz
create a script called something like update-local-debarchive that goes
like this:

#!/bin/sh
cd /usr/local/src/debian-local

dpkg-scanpackages dists/local/binary-i386 \
dists/local/binary-i386/override.local.gz \
| gzip -c  dists/local/binary-i386/Packages.gz
#EOF

Run that script any time you add a package to your local archive.

And add a line in your /etc/apt/sources.list that looks like this:
deb file://usr/locla/src/debian-local local .

Then after you update, dselect and apt will know about the packages in
your local archive just like the ones on the official debian archives
(http, ftp, cdrom). I use this system to maintain packages that I build
locally, like kernel-images and specially-patched packages, or
debianized external sources.

I hope that was sorta what you were looking for (or that it might at
least help someone else reading it =)

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Re: Debian package system; some questions :)

[Sean 'Shaleh' Perry]

On 05-Mar-2002 I.J.W. Wever wrote:
 Hi list,
 
 I've recently installed Debian2.2r5 from a mounted file system
 (my windows disk): /mnt/hda5/dl/Linux/dists
 
 In that directory I have directories /stable and /potato, which are identical
 and both contain all available binaries for a 386 system (for some reason
 the install program seemed to need this). I've been playing around with
 dselect somewhat, always using that location as source.
 

On UNIX systems this is accomplished by symbolic links.  Each mirror and the
debian cd's have a setup like this:

potato/ - real directory
stable - potato
unstable - potato

so there is only one copy of a deb on the disk.

 I downloaded the .debs for Kernel2.4.18, glibc2.2.5, and XFree4.1.0 and
 want to install these. Now my question: Where is the best place to put them,
 how can I easily add them to the dselect 'source path' and do these package
 have inherent dependencies that ensure me that the previous kernel, glibc
 and Xfree are uninstalled?
 

Does your linux setup not have networking yet?  Why are you copying the files
in windows and then installing them from linux?  You are most likely going to
miss a dependency this way and dselect will not be able to help you since it
can not know about the packages you are giving it.  The best thing you could
do would be to setup a partial mirror under Windows and then point dselect at
that partial mirror.  For the packaging tools to function, they need to be
given information about the available packages.  This lets the tools determine
installation order, checks depends and conflicts, very disk space needed, etc.

For most packages when a new version is installed it replaces the old one. 
This is not always possible and the kernel is one of these cases.  After
installing a new kernel you should reboot, test and be happy it works.  Wait
a few days even.  The use dpkg --purge kernel-image-. to remove the old
kernel.

Re: some questions (after a HD crash)

[Anthony Liu]

On Mon, Nov 05, 2001 at 03:30:35PM +, Ross Burton wrote:
 On Mon, 2001-11-05 at 15:12, Anthony Liu wrote:
  On Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 07:29:17PM +0100, Fredrik Jagenheim wrote:
   On Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 10:05:44AM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote:
GTX (?) disks are widely reported to have quality issues, as previously
noted.
   IBM 75GXP is the model. I know, since I'm running one on my
   workstation as of now and are just waiting for it to give up. :(
   
   Something about using glass-platters I think someone pinpointed the
   problem to.
  
  This is not comfortingmine is IC35L040AVER07-0 which someone said
  it is the oem version, 3 months old. I actually think of getting a
  Seagate to back up live data.
 
 I've only just come into this thread (the sequence 75GXP caught my eye),
 but I've just checked and the serial number IC35L040AVER07-0 resolves to
 a IBM 60GXP which I've heard are safe from the problem the 75's had.  At
 least that's what I've heard and I hope it's right, you have the 40gig
 model of my 20gig drive...

Thanks, those GXP model numbers are quite confusing, though less
confusing than Seagate. Yes it is the 40G one and I heard that they all
came from the Hungarian factory. The drive is fast and really quiet and
I can feel almost no vibration except the small fans.

Re: some questions (after a HD crash)

[lloyder]

Hello Ben et all, 

As Ben identified, now way, way, way out in left field:

You are very right, my bad... I have no idea what is 
in the xbox.  I meant the other gaming new gaming 
system that I am not excited about, the 
Nintendo GAMECUBE.  

Best regards,
Lloyd

- Original Message - 
From: ben [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; debian-user@lists.debian.org
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 4:49 AM
Subject: Re: some questions (after a HD crash)


 this is getting way off the subject of the group but if, indeed, there are 
 ibm parts in
 the xbox, as you are a proxy reperesentative of big blue, i think that it's 
 only right to
 let you know that the xbox has absolutely nothing to do with nintendo. for 
 more, check
 the link.
 
 www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2000/03-10xbox.asp
 
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Fact and assertion do not necessarily negate each
  other.  Someone used the line on me once and I
  was wowed ;-)
 
  Regarding consumer pc: you are correct, in my
  opinion.  I appreciated that you must have had significant
  experience, because of your carefully worded pc level hardware.
  Is there any chance that the number of IBM PC components
  out there is a facter in the number you have replaced.
  Though the ThinkPad series is definitely one of
  the best laptop lines, specificially for being solid and
  in terms of getting Linux going on it.
 
  USELESS FACT: the upcoming Nintendo X-Box, although somewhat
  specialized, is built by IBM for Nintendo.
  IBM inside ;-)
 


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Re: some questions (after a HD crash)

[lloyder]

Fact and assertion do not necessarily negate each 
other.  Someone used the line on me once and I 
was wowed ;-)  

Regarding consumer pc: you are correct, in my
opinion.  I appreciated that you must have had significant 
experience, because of your carefully worded pc level hardware.
Is there any chance that the number of IBM PC components 
out there is a facter in the number you have replaced.
Though the ThinkPad series is definitely one of
the best laptop lines, specificially for being solid and
in terms of getting Linux going on it.

USELESS FACT: the upcoming Nintendo X-Box, although somewhat 
specialized, is built by IBM for Nintendo.
IBM inside ;-)


Best regards,
Lloyd


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From: ben [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 6:21 PM
Subject: Re: some questions (after a HD crash)


 lloyd, your point is well taken, although i feel bound to point out fact and
 assertion do not necessarily negate each other. in ten years of building and
 servicing consumer pc-compatibles, i've replaced more ibm hard drives than 
 those of
 any other manufacturer. there may well be ibm component parts to a great deal 
 of of
 the hardware that i use and work with, and i should have been more specific
 (objective) in my criticism, but you have to admit that ibm's forte has never 
 really
 been in the field of the consumer pc. even the thinkpad is notoriously 
 vulnerable to
 the slightest jolt. believe me, i'm not anti-ibm but the company's strength 
 has
 always been in higher-end architecture. also, i appreciate the inclusion of 
 the
 disclaimer.
 
 
 
 
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  DISCLAIMER: I am employed by IBM as a software developer in Database 
  Technologies.
 
  Ben, fact or assertion?  Assertion.  There is IBM
  hardware in many PC level hardware components that
  you own and think are some of the best.  IBM is a
  major EOM supplier of PC level hardware.
  Example, IBM made more money on the original i-mac
  hardware than Apple.  That is probably true of the
  most recent models too.  Where is the irony?
 
  My personal opinion is that western digital have always
  been the best... but you pay for it $$.  Until this
  fiasco, IBM harddrives where/are considered
  some of the best.  Example from just the other day can
  be found in /. Hemo's posting of his dream machine:
  fast, quite PC game playing machine, alla, IBM harddrive.
 
  Best regards,
  Lloyd
 
  - Original Message -
  From: ben [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Darren Wyn Rees [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
  Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 3:55 PM
  Subject: Re: some questions (after a HD crash)
 
   IBM pc level hardware has always sucked, one of the greatest ironies in 
   the
   history of personal computing, which goes to show that making the first of
   something doesn't necessarily mean that you've made the best. maxtor 
   drives are
   pretty solid and relatively cheap, as are fujitsu drives. but, for ide 
   drives,
   i've never found any better than western digital.
  
 

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Re: some questions (after a HD crash)

[Anthony Liu]

On Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 07:29:17PM +0100, Fredrik Jagenheim wrote:
 On Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 10:05:44AM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote:
  GTX (?) disks are widely reported to have quality issues, as previously
  noted.
  
 
 IBM 75GXP is the model. I know, since I'm running one on my
 workstation as of now and are just waiting for it to give up. :(
 
 Something about using glass-platters I think someone pinpointed the
 problem to.

This is not comfortingmine is IC35L040AVER07-0 which someone said
it is the oem version, 3 months old. I actually think of getting a
Seagate to back up live data.

Heat doesn't seems to be too big of a problem when using a 2-3 fans
cartridge, easy to extract and dust the unit, too.  It is running at
around 33-36C internal.

Shouldn't glass platter more inert to heat?  How do they coat magnetic
material to glass? 

Re: some questions (after a HD crash)

[Ross Burton]

On Mon, 2001-11-05 at 15:12, Anthony Liu wrote:
 On Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 07:29:17PM +0100, Fredrik Jagenheim wrote:
  On Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 10:05:44AM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote:
   GTX (?) disks are widely reported to have quality issues, as previously
   noted.
  IBM 75GXP is the model. I know, since I'm running one on my
  workstation as of now and are just waiting for it to give up. :(
  
  Something about using glass-platters I think someone pinpointed the
  problem to.
 
 This is not comfortingmine is IC35L040AVER07-0 which someone said
 it is the oem version, 3 months old. I actually think of getting a
 Seagate to back up live data.

I've only just come into this thread (the sequence 75GXP caught my eye),
but I've just checked and the serial number IC35L040AVER07-0 resolves to
a IBM 60GXP which I've heard are safe from the problem the 75's had.  At
least that's what I've heard and I hope it's right, you have the 40gig
model of my 20gig drive...

Ross Burton

Re: some questions (after a HD crash)

[ben]

this is getting way off the subject of the group but if, indeed, there are ibm 
parts in
the xbox, as you are a proxy reperesentative of big blue, i think that it's 
only right to
let you know that the xbox has absolutely nothing to do with nintendo. for 
more, check
the link.

www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2000/03-10xbox.asp


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Fact and assertion do not necessarily negate each
 other.  Someone used the line on me once and I
 was wowed ;-)

 Regarding consumer pc: you are correct, in my
 opinion.  I appreciated that you must have had significant
 experience, because of your carefully worded pc level hardware.
 Is there any chance that the number of IBM PC components
 out there is a facter in the number you have replaced.
 Though the ThinkPad series is definitely one of
 the best laptop lines, specificially for being solid and
 in terms of getting Linux going on it.

 USELESS FACT: the upcoming Nintendo X-Box, although somewhat
 specialized, is built by IBM for Nintendo.
 IBM inside ;-)

some questions (after a HD crash)

[Darren Wyn Rees]

My little box crashed yesterday.  The hard disk started making
a repetitive whining, metallic noise.  Here's the error message
I managed to cut+paste :

[EMAIL PROTECTED] neo]# hda: irq timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy }
ide0: reset timed-out, status=0x80
hda: status timeout: status=0x80 { Busy }
hda: drive not ready for command
end_request: I/O error, dev 03:05 (hda), sector 3408048
EXT2-fs error (device ide0(3,5)): ext2_write_inode: unable to read
inode block - inode=213140, block=426006
end_request: I/O error, dev 03:05 (hda), sector 14418024
EXT2-fs error (device ide0(3,5)): ext2_write_inode: unable to read
inode block - inode=899638, block=1802253
end_request: I/O error, dev 03:05 (hda), sector 14418128
EXT2-fs error (device ide0(3,5)): ext2_write_inode: unable to read
inode block - inode=900059, block=1802266
end_request: I/O error, dev 03:05 (hda), sector 12320824
[etc]

On bootup, I had to run fsck manually.  Now, I seem to have
completely lost my news spool.  Here's the output of 'ls -la'
in /usr/local

[...]
?rwxr-xr-x   11 news news 4096 Aug 27 09:33 news
drwxr-xr-x2 root root 4096 Feb  6  1996 sbin
drwxr-xr-x4 root root 4096 Aug 26 22:33 share
drwxr-xr-x2 root root 4096 Feb  6  1996 src
[...]

What does the ? denote in a directory listing ?

The hard disk is an IBM 40GB.  Not sure of the model, but it's
only about 4 months old, so I should be able to return it under
the guarantee.  What is the best way to WIPE data on the disk ?

-- 
Darren Wyn Rees [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: some questions (after a HD crash)

[Sebastiaan]

High,

 My little box crashed yesterday.  The hard disk started making
 a repetitive whining, metallic noise.  Here's the error message
If the drive makes abnormal noise, as you describe, BACK UP YOUR DATA
*NOW*, preferably WITHOUT turning your computer OFF. It could crash every
minute then.

SNIP
 
 On bootup, I had to run fsck manually.  Now, I seem to have
 completely lost my news spool.  Here's the output of 'ls -la'
 in /usr/local
 
 [...]
 ?rwxr-xr-x   11 news news 4096 Aug 27 09:33 news
 drwxr-xr-x2 root root 4096 Feb  6  1996 sbin
 drwxr-xr-x4 root root 4096 Aug 26 22:33 share
 drwxr-xr-x2 root root 4096 Feb  6  1996 src
 [...]
 
 What does the ? denote in a directory listing ?
 
Not sure, but it loks like your filesystem is messed up.
 The hard disk is an IBM 40GB.  Not sure of the model, but it's
 only about 4 months old, so I should be able to return it under
 the guarantee.  What is the best way to WIPE data on the disk ?
 
Retrun the disk is the best I think.

Greetz,
Sebastiaan

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