Re: TDE (Trinity Desktop Environment) vs KDE

[Prof. Ramon Mulin]

The Trinity is default DE on EOMA64 Debian version too!
https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68/micro-desktop

P.s.: Sorry for my basic and poor english. I'm brazilian!

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Em 24/04/2021 10:04, Felmon Davis escreveu:

On Thu, 22 Apr 2021, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:

Trinity is KDE 3 inspired so KDE from quite a while ago - it is 
lighterweight but it is tied very much to Q4OS which is Debian based 
but not pure Debian.


my impression is that Q4OS is an offshoot of Trinity; I use it on one 
laptop more by accident than design - it played nicely with the 
graphic chip.


I very much liked Exegnu, based on Trinity, but haven't used it in a 
while.


f.

Re: TDE (Trinity Desktop Environment) vs KDE

[Felmon Davis]

On Thu, 22 Apr 2021, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:

Trinity is KDE 3 inspired so KDE from quite a while ago - it is 
lighterweight but it is tied very much to Q4OS which is Debian based 
but not pure Debian.


my impression is that Q4OS is an offshoot of Trinity; I use it on one 
laptop more by accident than design - it played nicely with the 
graphic chip.


I very much liked Exegnu, based on Trinity, but haven't used it in a 
while.


f.

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Re: TDE (Trinity Desktop Environment) vs KDE

[deloptes]

D. R. Evans wrote:

> I will also say that the modern KDE look, with its rather astonishing
> amount of wasted space, was not to my taste, although that was not the
> principal reason why I installed TDE.
> 
> The biggest two annoyances I find in TDE as compared to KDE are both in
> Konqueror: a) the display of directories does not continually renew on
> changes; b)  when displaying image files, the images are not scaled down
> to fit within the current display panel. So it's not perfect. But I find
> it just a lot nicer to use than modern versions of KDE. Other people
> doubtless have different opinions.

The main reason and goal of the TDE community is to provide a stable working
environment. Indeed there are minor bugs, limitations likely and such as
old code that needs update, which is worked on and done constantly, but if
you want to sit down, do some work and go on - this is the perfect desktop
for me.
Even today with Qt5 the KDE is unstable to my taste, not to mention Gnome.
I want to just sit down do the work I did yesterday or an year ago and not
start debugging some application, configuration or whatever that was
working before. Another advantage is the low disk, memory and CPU
footprint.
And you can install and use all the shiny KDE5 or Gnome stuff you like.

Re: about Wayland (was: TDE (Trinity Desktop Environment) vs KDE)

[Kenneth Parker]

On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 5:46 PM Felix Miata  wrote:

> Kenneth Parker composed on 2021-04-22 17:33 (UTC-0400):
>
> > One thing, of course, about KDE Plasma is Wayland, instead of Xorg, which
> > doesn't appear to support one of my, most used Laptops.
>
> Wayland isn't simple drop-in or replacement for Xorg. Some things that
> many Xorg
> users depend on, Wayland is simply not designed to do:
> https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/wayland-2021.html
> https://www.secjuice.com/wayland-vs-xorg/
> --
>

Thanks for the links.  I have done, some of my own research finding, among
other things, a "Live DVD Wayland Demo" on Sourceforge, called "Rebecca
Black OS".

   https://sourceforge.net/projects/rebeccablackos/

It was, by using the Live DVD that I found the issues, attempting to use
Wayland on one of my Laptops (an old HP).  (By the way, it even includes
Wayland's own Demonstration, called Weston).

Thanks again!

Kenneth Parker


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Re: about Wayland (was: TDE (Trinity Desktop Environment) vs KDE)

[Felix Miata]

Kenneth Parker composed on 2021-04-22 17:33 (UTC-0400):

> One thing, of course, about KDE Plasma is Wayland, instead of Xorg, which
> doesn't appear to support one of my, most used Laptops.

Wayland isn't simple drop-in or replacement for Xorg. Some things that many Xorg
users depend on, Wayland is simply not designed to do:
https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/wayland-2021.html
https://www.secjuice.com/wayland-vs-xorg/
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Re: TDE (Trinity Desktop Environment) vs KDE

[Felix Miata]

Kenneth Parker composed on 2021-04-22 16:23 (UTC-0400):

> I saw TDE discussed in another, recent Thread, and had to look it up, as I
> am not familiar with it.

> How does it compare with the current KDE?  Other than a qemu VM with KDE
> (so that I can examine it), I haven't used KDE in years (using XFCE for
> most of my systems, but with one current Gnome Desktop).

> Is it worth using *instead* of KDE, or would that throw me into a mess?

TDE is a fork of KDE 3.5.10. Since KDE4 was a major rewrite for QT4, which made
many former KDE3 users hate KDE4, and KDE5 a major rewrite for QT5, there is 
quite
a bit of similarity overall between Plasma 5 and TDE, yet vast differences
underneath. Computing eons have passed since the forking. TDE can be installed
alongside KDE5 just as XFCE or Cinnamon or Mate can be installed alongside KDE5.
KDE5 runs on QT5, while TDE runs on a fork of QT3 called TQT. TDM can start a
Plasma session, and a TDE session can run KDE5 apps. What doesn't mix is KDE3 
and
TDE, but that's only possible to attempt on openSUSE, since KDE3 is long gone
everywhere else.

TDE is great for those interested in responsiveness & speed with low overhead, 
low
demand, thus great for older hardware and under 2GB RAM.
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Re: TDE (Trinity Desktop Environment) vs KDE

[Kenneth Parker]

On Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 4:57 PM Andrew M.A. Cater  wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 04:23:02PM -0400, Kenneth Parker wrote:
> > I saw TDE discussed in another, recent Thread, and had to look it up, as
> I
> > am not familiar with it.
> >
> > How does it compare with the current KDE?  Other than a qemu VM with KDE
> > (so that I can examine it), I haven't used KDE in years (using XFCE for
> > most of my systems, but with one current Gnome Desktop).
> >
> > Is it worth using *instead* of KDE, or would that throw me into a mess?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Kenneth Parker
>
> It's designed to replace any of the other desktop environments so KDE and
> TDE
> might be a bit of a mess. Trinity is KDE 3 inspired so KDE from quite a
> while
> ago - it is lighterweight but it is tied very much to Q4OS which is Debian
> based but not pure Debian.
>
> Does this help?
>

Yes it does (and thanks, Gene for your input).

Like I said, I have a VM to examine the current KDE, and have been puzzled
about the Plasma part.

Since I examine, closely on Qemu before allowing anything on "bare Metal",
I will do the same thing with TDE, and then make up my mind between the
two.

One thing, of course, about KDE Plasma is Wayland, instead of Xorg, which
doesn't appear to support one of my, most used Laptops.

Again, thanks to both you, Andrew, and Gene.

>
> All the very best, as ever,
>
> Andy C.
>

Kenneth Parker

>

Re: TDE (Trinity Desktop Environment) vs KDE

[Joshua Edward Horn]

On 4/22/21 4:12 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:

On Thursday 22 April 2021 16:23:02 Kenneth Parker wrote:


I saw TDE discussed in another, recent Thread, and had to look it up,
as I am not familiar with it.

How does it compare with the current KDE?  Other than a qemu VM with
KDE (so that I can examine it), I haven't used KDE in years (using
XFCE for most of my systems, but with one current Gnome Desktop).

Is it worth using *instead* of KDE, or would that throw me into a
mess?

Thanks!

Kenneth Parker

Its a fork of kde at the kde-3.5 level, just before they screwed it up
hopelessly with all the plasma bs. KDE grew eye candy with lots more
bugs.  But with 99% or more of 3.5's bugs now fixed. Stable and rock
solid now.

Cheers, Gene Heskett


TDE is one of my favorite desktops. I used KDE when it was version 1 and 2 and 
I missed that old look. TDE kind of gives it back, when I use
it I set everything to look like KDE 1/2. It's a really cool project in my 
opinion. Whenever I need that 1997 feel, I always go with TDE.
--
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joshh...@aol.com

Re: TDE (Trinity Desktop Environment) vs KDE

[D. R. Evans]

Andrew M.A. Cater wrote on 4/22/21 2:57 PM:

On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 04:23:02PM -0400, Kenneth Parker wrote:

I saw TDE discussed in another, recent Thread, and had to look it up, as I
am not familiar with it.

How does it compare with the current KDE?  Other than a qemu VM with KDE
(so that I can examine it), I haven't used KDE in years (using XFCE for
most of my systems, but with one current Gnome Desktop).

Is it worth using *instead* of KDE, or would that throw me into a mess?



I use TDE as my desktop on my main [debian stable, 64-bit] machine for real 
work; I gave up waiting for the KDE coders to reimplement some functionality 
that was lost when they switched to KDE4 (and then KDE5, or whatever it's 
called nowadays).


I also have KDE installed on the machine, for the very few occasions when I 
find that the KDE5 version of a program has something that I need and which is 
not in TDE -- that happens so rarely that off the top of my head I can't even 
think of an example, but I know that it has happened; but I believe that it's 
always been in the nature of fluff/candy, not core functionality. And in fact 
even then I don't run the KDE desktop, but just run the KDE version of a 
program instead of the TDE version.


FWIW, the biggest reason I switched to TDE was the lack of support in KDE for 
displaying in the panel sysguard widgets that obtain data from remote systems. 
In my panel I have widgets reporting on the health of other machines... and 
those other machines are running KDE (because I interact with their desktops 
so infrequently that it wasn't worth installing a different desktop on them).


I will also say that the modern KDE look, with its rather astonishing amount 
of wasted space, was not to my taste, although that was not the principal 
reason why I installed TDE.


The biggest two annoyances I find in TDE as compared to KDE are both in 
Konqueror: a) the display of directories does not continually renew on 
changes; b)  when displaying image files, the images are not scaled down to 
fit within the current display panel. So it's not perfect. But I find it just 
a lot nicer to use than modern versions of KDE. Other people doubtless have 
different opinions.


  Doc

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Re: TDE (Trinity Desktop Environment) vs KDE

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 22 April 2021 16:23:02 Kenneth Parker wrote:

> I saw TDE discussed in another, recent Thread, and had to look it up,
> as I am not familiar with it.
>
> How does it compare with the current KDE?  Other than a qemu VM with
> KDE (so that I can examine it), I haven't used KDE in years (using
> XFCE for most of my systems, but with one current Gnome Desktop).
>
> Is it worth using *instead* of KDE, or would that throw me into a
> mess?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Kenneth Parker

Its a fork of kde at the kde-3.5 level, just before they screwed it up  
hopelessly with all the plasma bs. KDE grew eye candy with lots more 
bugs.  But with 99% or more of 3.5's bugs now fixed. Stable and rock 
solid now.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: TDE (Trinity Desktop Environment) vs KDE

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 04:23:02PM -0400, Kenneth Parker wrote:
> I saw TDE discussed in another, recent Thread, and had to look it up, as I
> am not familiar with it.
> 
> How does it compare with the current KDE?  Other than a qemu VM with KDE
> (so that I can examine it), I haven't used KDE in years (using XFCE for
> most of my systems, but with one current Gnome Desktop).
> 
> Is it worth using *instead* of KDE, or would that throw me into a mess?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Kenneth Parker

It's designed to replace any of the other desktop environments so KDE and TDE
might be a bit of a mess. Trinity is KDE 3 inspired so KDE from quite a while
ago - it is lighterweight but it is tied very much to Q4OS which is Debian
based but not pure Debian.

Does this help?

All the very best, as ever,

Andy C.

TDE (Trinity Desktop Environment) vs KDE

[Kenneth Parker]

I saw TDE discussed in another, recent Thread, and had to look it up, as I
am not familiar with it.

How does it compare with the current KDE?  Other than a qemu VM with KDE
(so that I can examine it), I haven't used KDE in years (using XFCE for
most of my systems, but with one current Gnome Desktop).

Is it worth using *instead* of KDE, or would that throw me into a mess?

Thanks!

Kenneth Parker