Re: OT: (KVM) Splitting a combined USB mouse and keyboard cable to feed separate mouse and keyboard inputs

[rhkramer]

On Saturday, February 11, 2023 10:55:15 AM Dan Ritter wrote:
> Is there a reason you don't use a pure USB pathway for keyboard
> and mouse?
> 
> i.e. does your target computer not have a USB port available to
> take the KVM's input?

Hmm, that's an interesting thought --  yes that computer does have USB ports 
-- I've never tried inputting the keyboard or mouse (or both) in via those USB 
ports instead of the PS/2 ports.

I'll have to try that -- I'm reluctant to try too much which might break what 
I have currently working (and shutting down and restarting that computer is 
sort of a pain with various things that I have to reopen after restarting).

Thanks!

-- 
rhk 

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Re: OT: (KVM) Splitting a combined USB mouse and keyboard cable to feed separate mouse and keyboard inputs

[Dan Ritter]

rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: 
> Leading up to the Problem: My problem is this: one of the computers that I 
> need / want to keep in service for some time yet has separate inputs for the 
> keyboard and mouse -- the existing KVMs have separate outputs for the 
> keyboard 
> and mouse, so all is (was) good.  (The other computer that I need to keep in 
> service has separate and combined keyboard and mouse inputs, i.e., one PS/2 
> or 
> USB cable can carry the combined signal from a mouse and keyboard into the 
> computer and both are detected and work.  The first computer, mentioned 
> above, 
> does  not handle a mouse and keyboard combined to one input.
> 
> The Problem: Many of the KVMs that I've looked at recently have one USB 
> output 
> (one for each computer) which carries the combined keyboard and mouse signals.
> 
> I'm wondering if there is a way to take that one USB output and divide it 
> into 
> separate keyboard and mouse outputs.  I'm thinking of maybe a "Rube Goldburg" 
> approach that might involve feeding that one USB output into a hub from which 
> I'd run two USB cables (with USB to PS/2 adapters).  I'm hoping the mouse 
> input would ignore keyboard signals and the keyboard input would ignore mouse 
> signals.
> 
> Summary: Does anybody (on here) have experience with something like this: 
> that 
> is, taking a USB cable with combined mouse and keyboard signals and somehow 
> splitting them to feed separate keyboard and mouse inputs on a computer?

Is there a reason you don't use a pure USB pathway for keyboard
and mouse?

i.e. does your target computer not have a USB port available to
take the KVM's input?

-dsr-

OT: (KVM) Splitting a combined USB mouse and keyboard cable to feed separate mouse and keyboard inputs

[rhkramer]

Background: My KVM switch (and a keyboard) died in two (freak)A(ccidents)BKAC.  

My spare KVM did not work, so I'm looking for another KVM.  (For now, I'm 
using the original KVM for switching the VGA video and keyboard, and have 
separate mice plugged into each computer (only two in service (on a 4 port 
KVM) at the moment).  The KVM also  handles audio, and I plan to find another 
KVM that handles audio.

I could buy anonther (used) one like the two I have, but I'm a little gunshy.

Leading up to the Problem: My problem is this: one of the computers that I 
need / want to keep in service for some time yet has separate inputs for the 
keyboard and mouse -- the existing KVMs have separate outputs for the keyboard 
and mouse, so all is (was) good.  (The other computer that I need to keep in 
service has separate and combined keyboard and mouse inputs, i.e., one PS/2 or 
USB cable can carry the combined signal from a mouse and keyboard into the 
computer and both are detected and work.  The first computer, mentioned above, 
does  not handle a mouse and keyboard combined to one input.

The Problem: Many of the KVMs that I've looked at recently have one USB output 
(one for each computer) which carries the combined keyboard and mouse signals.

I'm wondering if there is a way to take that one USB output and divide it into 
separate keyboard and mouse outputs.  I'm thinking of maybe a "Rube Goldburg" 
approach that might involve feeding that one USB output into a hub from which 
I'd run two USB cables (with USB to PS/2 adapters).  I'm hoping the mouse 
input would ignore keyboard signals and the keyboard input would ignore mouse 
signals.

Summary: Does anybody (on here) have experience with something like this: that 
is, taking a USB cable with combined mouse and keyboard signals and somehow 
splitting them to feed separate keyboard and mouse inputs on a computer?

Aside: The two freak (and / or dumb) accidents that got me into this 
situation:

   * The freak accident: My keyboard stopped working.  Eventually I found a 
piece of tape that somehow got onto the keyboard and was holding a key down (I 
didn't pay careful attention at the time but it was in the viciinity of the 
F12 key on a  Microsoft ergonomic keyboard).  My guess is that that held down 
key eventually killed the keyboard.  (In any event, it is dead.)

   * The dumb mistake: I tried to move cables around (to try different 
keyboards) with the KVM still powered up but switched to an unused port.  
While doing that I fat fingered (well, fat armed) the slector switch which 
switched to an in-use USB port while I was plugging / unplugging the PS/2 / 
USB mouse.  I should have just depowered the KVM ;-(

Thanks!

-- 
rhk 

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lines) and minimal use of (obscure?) jargon, abbreviations, acronyms, and 
references.

If someone has already responded to a question, decide whether any response 
you add will be helpful or not ...

A picture is worth a thousand words.  A video (or "audio"): not so much -- 
divide by 10 for each minute of video (or audio) or create a transcript and 
edit it to 10% of the original.

A speaker who uses ahhs, ums, or such may have a real physical or mental 
disability, or may be showing disrespect for his listeners by not properly 
preparing in advance and thinking before speaking.  (Remember Cicero who did 
not have enough time to write a short missive.)  (That speaker might have been 
"trained" to do this by being interrupted often if he pauses.)

A radio (or TV) station which broadcasts speakers with high pitched voices (or 
very low pitched / gravelly voices) (which older people might not be able to 
hear properly) disrespects its listeners.   Likewise if it broadcasts 
extraneous or disturbing sounds (like gunfire or crying), or broadcasts 
speakers using their native language (with or without an overdubbed 
translation).

A person who writes a sig this long probably has issues and disrespects (and 
offends) a large number of readers. ;-)
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Re: Recommended KVM box: HDMI (video), USB (mouse+kb+periferal), 4-port

[rhkramer]

On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 06:21:34 AM Tom Browder wrote:
> Thanks! I forget about ebay—I only used it once many years ago. And the
> Belkin products I’ve used in the past have worked fine.

You're welcome!

I buy quite a few things off ebay (for some definition of quite a few) -- some 
used things, mostly new, from the far east, with very few bad experiences (and 
all but two of those resolved by the ebay or PayPal money back policies. 

ebay has extended the (money back) gurantee period to longer than 30 days 
(maybe 60 days now?), and they start the period when you receive your order 
(or it should have been received) so the long shipping times from the far east 
are no longer the same issue.  And PayPal now has a 6-month guarantee period, 
so if you pay with PayPal and miss the ebay guarantee, you can use the PayPal 
guarantee.  (Obviously, those guarantees don't cover everything -- I have 
mainly used them for the few cases of non-delivery I've had.)

(Aside: When I look at my ebay account, I see "(356)" behind my name -- I 
don't know if that means I made 356 transactions (almost all purchanses) on 
ebay since I started using them (at least since 2012, maybe before that)

One of the aggravating ones was some seller of NiMH cells (AAA) (a vendor 
using the trade name "hot-rc".  

I ordered 24 AAA cells rated at 1800 maHr.  I tested a few, and wrote to tell 
him the cells were not holding anywhere near the 1800 maHr charge (much less 
than 100 maHr) he asked me to test them all.  I wrote back to tell him it 
would take me a while to do that.

When I finished testing them and wrote back to him, he essentially laughed at 
me because it was past the 30-day (iirc, at the time) money back period.

I'd like to find (or start) a hall of shame for ebay sellers -- I have one or 
two others I'd add to the list.  

Oh, the other bad thing about that was that I couldn't give him a bad rating 
because the same 30-day period (or something like it) applied to giving 
feedback.

Re: Recommended KVM box: HDMI (video), USB (mouse+kb+periferal), 4-port

[Tom Browder]

On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 20:29  wrote:
…

> I am using a Belkin SOHO 4-Port KVM Switch Box F1DS104J, bought used off
> ebay
>
in January, 2020 for under $20.


Thanks! I forget about ebay—I only used it once many years ago. And the
Belkin products I’ve used in the past have worked fine.

-Tom

Re: Recommended KVM box: HDMI (video), USB (mouse+kb+periferal), 4-port

[rhkramer]

On Monday, October 18, 2021 09:03:10 PM Tom Browder wrote:
> I am in the market for a new (or refurbished) KVM with the subject
> attributes.  I only need to support a single monitor, but reliability and
> holding video settings for each computer are important to me.
> 
> Reviews I've found online are terrible, but I would appreciate hearing from
> satisfied Debian KVM users.

I am using a Belkin SOHO 4-Port KVM Switch Box F1DS104J, bought used off ebay 
in January, 2020 for under $20.  Works fine, offhand I don't remember the specs 
-- I basically use 1920x1028 resolution with no recognizable deterioration in 
the video display.  

(Thank goodness I have a wooden desktop so I can knock on wood.  (I did buy 
two, have the 2nd as a spare.)

Recommended KVM box: HDMI (video), USB (mouse+kb+periferal), 4-port

[Tom Browder]

I am in the market for a new (or refurbished) KVM with the subject
attributes.  I only need to support a single monitor, but reliability and
holding video settings for each computer are important to me.

Reviews I've found online are terrible, but I would appreciate hearing from
satisfied Debian KVM users.

Thanks.

-Tom

Re: No (USB) mouse and keyboard after resume

[Reco]

Hi.

On Sat, Nov 03, 2018 at 07:12:55PM +0100, Rainer Dorsch wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> after resume from suspend I have no mouse and keyboard anymore in a Debian 
> stable system.
> 
> The syslog shows:
> 
> Nov  3 18:23:24 blackbox kernel: [  318.907431] dpm_run_callback(): 
> usb_dev_resume+0x0/0x20 [usbcore] returns -22 

Note [usbcore] here.


> Nov  3 18:23:24 blackbox kernel: [  318.908237] usb 6-1: USB disconnect, 
> device number 2 
> Nov  3 18:23:24 blackbox kernel: [  318.927894] usb 6-2: USB disconnect, 
> device number 3

Given these,

> (not listed anymore after resume by lsusb).

this is expected.


> Even unplugging and replugging the two devices physically does not bring them 
> back. Only reboot helps so far.

Your USB hub disconnected USB devices and presumably has powered itself down.


> So far, I also did not find any modules which I could unload and reload to 
> make the mouse and keyboard working again:

I'd try usbcore and usbhid for starters.
Or resetting problematic USB bus as shown at [1].

Reco

[1] http://billauer.co.il/blog/2013/02/usb-reset-ehci-uhci-linux/

No (USB) mouse and keyboard after resume

[Rainer Dorsch]

Hi,

after resume from suspend I have no mouse and keyboard anymore in a Debian 
stable system.

The syslog shows:

Nov  3 18:23:24 blackbox kernel: [  318.907431] dpm_run_callback(): 
usb_dev_resume+0x0/0x20 [usbcore] returns -22 
Nov  3 18:23:24 blackbox kernel: [  318.907441] PM: Device 6-1 failed to 
resume async: error -22 
Nov  3 18:23:24 blackbox kernel: [  318.908166] OOM killer enabled. 
Nov  3 18:23:24 blackbox kernel: [  318.908168] Restarting tasks ...  
Nov  3 18:23:24 blackbox kernel: [  318.908237] usb 6-1: USB disconnect, 
device number 2 
Nov  3 18:23:24 blackbox kernel: [  318.927894] usb 6-2: USB disconnect, 
device number 3

where these two devices are mouse and keyboard:

Bus 006 Device 003: ID 046a:b090 Cherry GmbH 
Bus 006 Device 002: ID 046d:c040 Logitech, Inc. Corded Tilt-Wheel Mouse

(not listed anymore after resume by lsusb).

Even unplugging and replugging the two devices physically does not bring them 
back. Only reboot helps so far.

The output of lsusb after resume is

root@blackbox:/home/rd# lsusb 
Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Bus 006 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0003 Linux Foundation 3.0 root hub
Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
root@blackbox:/home/rd# 

If I hibernate to disk instead of suspend to ram, the mouse/keyboard issue 
does not occur.

So far, I also did not find any modules which I could unload and reload to 
make the mouse and keyboard working again:

rd@blackbox:~$ lsmod
Module  Size  Used by
fuse  118784  3
rpcsec_gss_krb540960  0
auth_rpcgss73728  1 rpcsec_gss_krb5
nfsv4 675840  2
dns_resolver   16384  1 nfsv4
nfs   311296  2 nfsv4
lockd 110592  1 nfs
grace  16384  1 lockd
fscache   380928  2 nfsv4,nfs
amdgpu   3371008  0
chash  16384  1 amdgpu
gpu_sched  28672  1 amdgpu
amd_freq_sensitivity16384  0
edac_mce_amd   28672  0
kvm_amd   106496  0
ccp94208  1 kvm_amd
evdev  28672  4
rng_core   16384  1 ccp
snd_hda_codec_realtek   110592  1
kvm   733184  1 kvm_amd
snd_hda_codec_generic86016  1 snd_hda_codec_realtek
irqbypass  16384  1 kvm
radeon   1638400  23
crct10dif_pclmul   16384  0
snd_hda_codec_hdmi 57344  1
crc32_pclmul   16384  0
ttm   126976  2 amdgpu,radeon
snd_hda_intel  45056  4
drm_kms_helper196608  2 amdgpu,radeon
ghash_clmulni_intel16384  0
snd_hda_codec 151552  4 
snd_hda_codec_generic,snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec_realtek
drm   475136  16 gpu_sched,drm_kms_helper,amdgpu,radeon,ttm
snd_hda_core   94208  5 
snd_hda_codec_generic,snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_hda_codec_realtek
snd_hwdep  20480  1 snd_hda_codec
pcspkr 16384  0
k10temp16384  0
snd_pcm   118784  4 
snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_hda_core
snd_timer  36864  1 snd_pcm
sg 36864  0
fam15h_power   16384  0
i2c_algo_bit   16384  2 amdgpu,radeon
snd98304  16 
snd_hda_codec_generic,snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hwdep,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_timer,snd_pcm
soundcore  16384  1 snd
pcc_cpufreq16384  0
button 16384  0
acpi_cpufreq   24576  0
parport_pc 32768  1
ppdev  20480  0
lp 20480  0
parport57344  3 parport_pc,lp,ppdev
loop   32768  0
sunrpc421888  10 nfsv4,auth_rpcgss,lockd,rpcsec_gss_krb5,nfs
dm_crypt   45056  0
dm_mod147456  1 dm_crypt
ip_tables  28672  0
x_tables   45056  1 ip_tables
autofs449152  7
ext4  741376  3
crc16  16384  1 ext4
mbcache16384  1 ext4
jbd2  118784  1 ext4
fscrypto   32768  1 ext4
ecb16384  0
btrfs1384448  0
xor24576  1 btrfs
zstd_decompress90112  1 btrfs
zstd_compress 180224  1 btrfs
xxhash 16384  2 zstd_compress,zstd_decompress
raid6_pq  122880  1 btrfs
libcrc32c  16384  1 btrfs
crc32c_generic 16384  0
hid_generic16384  0
usbhid 57344  0
hid   135168  2 usbhid,hid_generic
sd_mod 53248  6
crc32c_intel   24576  5
ohci_pci   16384  0
ahci   40960  4
aesni_intel 

Re: USB mouse and keyboard disconnected

[Martin T]

Mark,

thank you for your reply!

> Random thought -- if ehci_pci is already loaded for some other device
> early in the boot process, in a way that doesn't require the ehci_hcd
> module, and then udev detects the keyboard and mouse, determines it
> needs ehci_pci... and concludes all is well because that module is
> already loaded... But the ehci_hcd piece isn't And then removing it
> and re-loading it looks at the dependencies again in the light of all
> the hardware udev is aware of by that stage, and so loads the
> sub-module, and the keyboard and mouse start working...

Maybe I misunderstood you, but at the time of the issue when I SSH
into the machine, I can see that "ehci_hcd" is loaded.


> OR, perhaps less far-fetched, could your running kernel somehow have
> access to 2 versions of the ehci_pci module, one with a dependency on
> ehci_hcd and one not? And at boot it is picking up the wrong one and
> when you run modprobe from the command line it is picking up the other?

As far as I can tell, there is only one ehci-pci module:

# find / ! -type d -iname "ehci*pci*"
/sys/module/ehci_hcd/holders/ehci_pci
/sys/module/usbcore/holders/ehci_pci
/lib/modules/3.16.0-4-amd64/kernel/drivers/usb/host/ehci-pci.ko
#


Any other ideas?


thanks,
Martin

On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 12:48 AM, Mark Fletcher  wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 03, 2016 at 06:18:59PM +0200, Martin T wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> looks like the problem is either with ehci_pci or ehci_hcd because if
>> I do "modprobe -rv ehci_pci" and "modprobe -v ehci_pci", then both
>> keyboard and mouse start to work. "ehci_hcd" is used by "ehci_pci":
>>
>> ehci_pci   12512  0
>> ehci_hcd   69837  1 ehci_pci
>>
>>
> Random thought -- if ehci_pci is already loaded for some other device
> early in the boot process, in a way that doesn't require the ehci_hcd
> module, and then udev detects the keyboard and mouse, determines it
> needs ehci_pci... and concludes all is well because that module is
> already loaded... But the ehci_hcd piece isn't And then removing it
> and re-loading it looks at the dependencies again in the light of all
> the hardware udev is aware of by that stage, and so loads the
> sub-module, and the keyboard and mouse start working...
>
> OR, perhaps less far-fetched, could your running kernel somehow have
> access to 2 versions of the ehci_pci module, one with a dependency on
> ehci_hcd and one not? And at boot it is picking up the wrong one and
> when you run modprobe from the command line it is picking up the other?
>
> Mark
>

Re: USB mouse and keyboard disconnected

[Mark Fletcher]

On Thu, Nov 03, 2016 at 06:18:59PM +0200, Martin T wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> looks like the problem is either with ehci_pci or ehci_hcd because if
> I do "modprobe -rv ehci_pci" and "modprobe -v ehci_pci", then both
> keyboard and mouse start to work. "ehci_hcd" is used by "ehci_pci":
> 
> ehci_pci   12512  0
> ehci_hcd   69837  1 ehci_pci
> 
> 
Random thought -- if ehci_pci is already loaded for some other device 
early in the boot process, in a way that doesn't require the ehci_hcd 
module, and then udev detects the keyboard and mouse, determines it 
needs ehci_pci... and concludes all is well because that module is 
already loaded... But the ehci_hcd piece isn't And then removing it 
and re-loading it looks at the dependencies again in the light of all 
the hardware udev is aware of by that stage, and so loads the 
sub-module, and the keyboard and mouse start working...

OR, perhaps less far-fetched, could your running kernel somehow have 
access to 2 versions of the ehci_pci module, one with a dependency on 
ehci_hcd and one not? And at boot it is picking up the wrong one and 
when you run modprobe from the command line it is picking up the other?

Mark

Re: USB mouse and keyboard disconnected

[Martin T]

Hi,

looks like the problem is either with ehci_pci or ehci_hcd because if
I do "modprobe -rv ehci_pci" and "modprobe -v ehci_pci", then both
keyboard and mouse start to work. "ehci_hcd" is used by "ehci_pci":

ehci_pci   12512  0
ehci_hcd   69837  1 ehci_pci


Modinfo output for above-mentioned modules can be seen below:

# modinfo ehci_pci
filename:   /lib/modules/3.16.0-4-amd64/kernel/drivers/usb/host/ehci-pci.ko
license:GPL
author: Alan Stern
author: David Brownell
description:EHCI PCI platform driver
alias:  pci:v104AdCC00sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias:  pci:v*d*sv*sd*bc0Csc03i20*
depends:usbcore,ehci-hcd
intree: Y
vermagic:   3.16.0-4-amd64 SMP mod_unload modversions
#
# modinfo ehci_hcd
filename:   /lib/modules/3.16.0-4-amd64/kernel/drivers/usb/host/ehci-hcd.ko
license:GPL
author: David Brownell
description:USB 2.0 'Enhanced' Host Controller (EHCI) Driver
depends:usbcore
intree: Y
vermagic:   3.16.0-4-amd64 SMP mod_unload modversions
parm:   log2_irq_thresh:log2 IRQ latency, 1-64 microframes (int)
parm:   park:park setting; 1-3 back-to-back async packets (uint)
parm:   ignore_oc:ignore bogus hardware overcurrent indications (bool)
#


Any ideas what might cause this issue?


thanks,
Martin


On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 4:47 PM, Martin T <m4rtn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I made a fresh minimal(no desktop environment, open-source "radeon"
> driver, CEDAR firmware, X and dwm) Debian 8.5 installation few days
> ago. Since that I have had two occasions where all of the sudden USB
> devices(USB keyboard and mouse) no longer work. I'm able to access my
> PC over SSH(or use PS/2 keyboard) and at the time of the issue nothing
> is logged(I checked kernel ring buffer, X log files, etc). When I
> remove(modprobe -r) USB related modules(ehci_hcd, ehci_pci, usbhid,
> usbcore, usb_common, hid) and then again load those modules, the USB
> mouse and keyboard start to work. At the time of the issue power to
> the USB ports is present, because mouse LED is lit and for example
> magic SysRq key-combinations work. Kernel version is 3.16.0-4-amd64. I
> also noticed that for example around three days and then again 5 hours
> ago, since this issue, USB mouse was disconnected for a second:
>
>
> [11206.404325] usb 1-1.1: USB disconnect, device number 3
> [11206.629417] usb 1-1.1: new low-speed USB device number 5 using ehci-pci
> [11206.727526] usb 1-1.1: New USB device found, idVendor=046d, idProduct=c03e
> [11206.727539] usb 1-1.1: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2,
> SerialNumber=0
> [11206.727542] usb 1-1.1: Product: USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse
> [11206.727544] usb 1-1.1: Manufacturer: Logitech
> [11206.731189] input: Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse as
> /devices/pci:00/:00:1a.0/usb1/1-1/1-1.1/1-1.1:1.0/0003:046D:C03E.0004/input/input14
> [11206.731608] hid-generic 0003:046D:C03E.0004: input,hidraw0: USB HID
> v1.10 Mouse [Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse] on
> usb-:00:1a.0-1.1/input0
> [18378.452226] ip_tables: (C) 2000-2006 Netfilter Core Team
> [110547.411844] perf interrupt took too long (2565 > 2500), lowering
> kernel.perf_event_max_sample_rate to 5
> [241801.649235] nf_conntrack version 0.5.0 (16384 buckets, 65536 max)
> [243524.775521] usb 1-1.1: USB disconnect, device number 5
> [243525.022937] usb 1-1.1: new low-speed USB device number 6 using ehci-pci
> [243525.120715] usb 1-1.1: New USB device found, idVendor=046d, idProduct=c03e
> [243525.120719] usb 1-1.1: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2,
> SerialNumber=0
> [243525.120722] usb 1-1.1: Product: USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse
> [243525.120724] usb 1-1.1: Manufacturer: Logitech
> [243525.124970] input: Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse as
> /devices/pci:00/:00:1a.0/usb1/1-1/1-1.1/1-1.1:1.0/0003:046D:C03E.0005/input/input15
> [243525.125355] hid-generic 0003:046D:C03E.0005: input,hidraw0: USB
> HID v1.10 Mouse [Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse] on
> usb-:00:1a.0-1.1/input0
>
>
> I didn't physically unplug the mouse. However, I'm not sure if those
> are related to this issue. As I told, at the time of this issue
> nothing is logged.
>
> Last but not least, output of "lsusb" can be seen below:
>
> # lsusb
> Bus 002 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub
> Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
> Bus 001 Device 005: ID 046d:c03e Logitech, Inc. Premium Optical Wheel
> Mouse (M-BT58)
> Bus 001 Device 003: ID 046d:c313 Logitech, Inc. Internet 350 Keyboard
> Bus 001 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub
> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
> #
>
>
> Please let me know if anything was unclear or additional information is 
> needed.
>
>
> thanks,
> Martin

USB mouse and keyboard disconnected

[Martin T]

Hi,

I made a fresh minimal(no desktop environment, open-source "radeon"
driver, CEDAR firmware, X and dwm) Debian 8.5 installation few days
ago. Since that I have had two occasions where all of the sudden USB
devices(USB keyboard and mouse) no longer work. I'm able to access my
PC over SSH(or use PS/2 keyboard) and at the time of the issue nothing
is logged(I checked kernel ring buffer, X log files, etc). When I
remove(modprobe -r) USB related modules(ehci_hcd, ehci_pci, usbhid,
usbcore, usb_common, hid) and then again load those modules, the USB
mouse and keyboard start to work. At the time of the issue power to
the USB ports is present, because mouse LED is lit and for example
magic SysRq key-combinations work. Kernel version is 3.16.0-4-amd64. I
also noticed that for example around three days and then again 5 hours
ago, since this issue, USB mouse was disconnected for a second:


[11206.404325] usb 1-1.1: USB disconnect, device number 3
[11206.629417] usb 1-1.1: new low-speed USB device number 5 using ehci-pci
[11206.727526] usb 1-1.1: New USB device found, idVendor=046d, idProduct=c03e
[11206.727539] usb 1-1.1: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2,
SerialNumber=0
[11206.727542] usb 1-1.1: Product: USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse
[11206.727544] usb 1-1.1: Manufacturer: Logitech
[11206.731189] input: Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse as
/devices/pci:00/:00:1a.0/usb1/1-1/1-1.1/1-1.1:1.0/0003:046D:C03E.0004/input/input14
[11206.731608] hid-generic 0003:046D:C03E.0004: input,hidraw0: USB HID
v1.10 Mouse [Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse] on
usb-:00:1a.0-1.1/input0
[18378.452226] ip_tables: (C) 2000-2006 Netfilter Core Team
[110547.411844] perf interrupt took too long (2565 > 2500), lowering
kernel.perf_event_max_sample_rate to 5
[241801.649235] nf_conntrack version 0.5.0 (16384 buckets, 65536 max)
[243524.775521] usb 1-1.1: USB disconnect, device number 5
[243525.022937] usb 1-1.1: new low-speed USB device number 6 using ehci-pci
[243525.120715] usb 1-1.1: New USB device found, idVendor=046d, idProduct=c03e
[243525.120719] usb 1-1.1: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2,
SerialNumber=0
[243525.120722] usb 1-1.1: Product: USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse
[243525.120724] usb 1-1.1: Manufacturer: Logitech
[243525.124970] input: Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse as
/devices/pci:00/:00:1a.0/usb1/1-1/1-1.1/1-1.1:1.0/0003:046D:C03E.0005/input/input15
[243525.125355] hid-generic 0003:046D:C03E.0005: input,hidraw0: USB
HID v1.10 Mouse [Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse] on
usb-:00:1a.0-1.1/input0


I didn't physically unplug the mouse. However, I'm not sure if those
are related to this issue. As I told, at the time of this issue
nothing is logged.

Last but not least, output of "lsusb" can be seen below:

# lsusb
Bus 002 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub
Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Bus 001 Device 005: ID 046d:c03e Logitech, Inc. Premium Optical Wheel
Mouse (M-BT58)
Bus 001 Device 003: ID 046d:c313 Logitech, Inc. Internet 350 Keyboard
Bus 001 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
#


Please let me know if anything was unclear or additional information is needed.


thanks,
Martin

Re: USB mouse on Latitude D430

[Paul Cartwright]

On 01/04/2014 09:12 PM, Dave Woyciesjes wrote:

 Except that today, nothing again. 
did you log in using XFCE then Cinnamon?? weird that it went away after
working.. maybe it is a hardware issue?? going bad?

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Re: USB mouse on Latitude D430

[Dave Woyciesjes]

On 01/05/2014 07:06 AM, Paul Cartwright wrote:

On 01/04/2014 09:12 PM, Dave Woyciesjes wrote:

 Except that today, nothing again.

did you log in using XFCE then Cinnamon?? weird that it went away after
working.. maybe it is a hardware issue?? going bad?


I'm guessing there is some service that is crapping out.

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Re: USB mouse on Latitude D430

[Dave Woyciesjes]

On 01/05/2014 07:06 AM, Paul Cartwright wrote:

On 01/04/2014 09:12 PM, Dave Woyciesjes wrote:

 Except that today, nothing again.

did you log in using XFCE then Cinnamon?? weird that it went away after
working.. maybe it is a hardware issue?? going bad?

I'm guessing that there is some service crapping out. I don't think 
it's hardware, because I was just using 2 different external HDDs  2 
different USB drives just fine in the same USB ports


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Re: USB mouse on Latitude D430

[Dave Woyciesjes]

On 01/05/2014 12:56 PM, Paul Cartwright wrote:

On 01/05/2014 12:55 PM, Dave Woyciesjes wrote:

 I'm guessing there is some service that is crapping out.

anything in /var/log/syslog  ??



Nah, nothing obvious. May have missed something. Got any ideas what 
to look for ?


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Re: USB mouse on Latitude D430

[Dave Woyciesjes]

On 01/05/2014 12:58 PM, Paul Cartwright wrote:

On 01/05/2014 12:57 PM, Dave Woyciesjes wrote:

working.. maybe it is a hardware issue?? going bad?


 I'm guessing that there is some service crapping out. I don't
think it's hardware, because I was just using 2 different external
HDDs  2 different USB drives just fine in the same USB ports

I meant more like the trackball itself, not your USB sub-system..

Oops, oh yeah, no.  Both are fine in a different laptop, and when 
this one is in the docking station - where they are connected to the 
docking station USB ports, since the ones on the laptop are blocked


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Re: USB mouse on Latitude D430

[Zenaan Harkness]

On 1/6/14, Dave Woyciesjes woycies...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 On 01/05/2014 12:58 PM, Paul Cartwright wrote:
 On 01/05/2014 12:57 PM, Dave Woyciesjes wrote:
 working.. maybe it is a hardware issue?? going bad?

  I'm guessing that there is some service crapping out. I don't
 think it's hardware, because I was just using 2 different external
 HDDs  2 different USB drives just fine in the same USB ports
 I meant more like the trackball itself, not your USB sub-system..

  Oops, oh yeah, no.  Both are fine in a different laptop, and when
 this one is in the docking station - where they are connected to the
 docking station USB ports, since the ones on the laptop are blocked

Could there be some docking station disconnection thing happening?

Have you been watching syslog or dmesg ?

lsusb or lspci ?? Especially comparing between when the mouse works,
and when it doesn't? (diff is your friend :)


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Re: USB mouse on Latitude D430

[Dave Woyciesjes]

On 01/05/2014 06:51 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:

On 1/6/14, Dave Woyciesjes woycies...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

On 01/05/2014 12:58 PM, Paul Cartwright wrote:

On 01/05/2014 12:57 PM, Dave Woyciesjes wrote:

working.. maybe it is a hardware issue?? going bad?


  I'm guessing that there is some service crapping out. I don't
think it's hardware, because I was just using 2 different external
HDDs  2 different USB drives just fine in the same USB ports

I meant more like the trackball itself, not your USB sub-system..


  Oops, oh yeah, no.  Both are fine in a different laptop, and when
this one is in the docking station - where they are connected to the
docking station USB ports, since the ones on the laptop are blocked

Could there be some docking station disconnection thing happening?
Possibly, but it seems odd, since it all was fine short time ago, before 
I blew away Ubuntu for Debian.


Have you been watching syslog or dmesg ?
Yeah, but haven't been able to discern anything. I'll have to test more 
and watch closely.


lsusb or lspci ?? Especially comparing between when the mouse works,
and when it doesn't? (diff is your friend :)

Yeah, all looks normal.

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Re: USB mouse on Latitude D430

[Dave Woyciesjes]

On 01/04/2014 06:16 AM, Paul Cartwright wrote:

On 01/03/2014 08:31 PM, Dave Woyciesjes wrote:

That's the odd thing. All I did was install XFCE, then noticed the
trackball working at the login greeter. Logged in to XFCE, Cinnamon,
and now back in to Gnome like I want, and it works everywhere

yay!!! so, you were missing a library or something... I just tried to
install a printer, and no printer menu!!! anywhere! I was missing
the printer menu, but cups  print-to-pdf was there... wierd things happen!


Except that today, nothing again.

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Re: USB mouse on Latitude D430

[Dave Woyciesjes]

On 01/03/2014 10:38 PM, Doug wrote:

On 01/03/2014 07:46 PM, Dave Woyciesjes wrote:

Nah, no difference noticed. But I did catch one oddity. Today when

/snip/

I was booting up, I had the trackball connected to the USB port (that
has the power connector next to it) and while it was loading the
greeter (? the login window) the trackball did work. Then once the
login window came up, that was it.
 I'm kinda stumped here...

sometimes some USB devices don't like other things plugged in that same
bus.. as in only have the trackball plugged in, and the other port
spare.. maybe not enough power.. I had that same issue recently with 
the

trinity DM, the mouse didn't work. I... gave up:) went back to MATE.
does it work on say the XFCE desktop manager?


Installing Mate  XFCE right now to test.

I must say, I am surprised that no one else has chimed in with 
any suggestions as to how to get my USB mouse or trackball working...


Have you tried unplugging the mouse/trackball and then plugging it 
back in again, after it has stopped working?


Yep. First thing I tried. Neither mouse nor trackball work with 
Debian when not in the docking station. But all was well with Ubuntu.


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Re: USB mouse on Latitude D430

[Dave Woyciesjes]

On 12/31/2013 05:07 PM, Paul Cartwright wrote:

On 12/31/2013 04:03 PM, Dave Woyciesjes wrote:

it..my problem with Debian is the ice...dove/weasel.. rather than
the real thunderbird. I like thunderbird, I don't want it rebranded.

I added the Linux Mint Debian Edition repositories to get Firefox 
Thunderbird.

I just downloaded the Debian DVD... made some room on my 2nd drive. I
may install Debian  tomorrow ..a day off:)

does lsusb show anything different for your mouse with the docking
station attached??


 Nah, no difference noticed. But I did catch one oddity. Today when
I was booting up, I had the trackball connected to the USB port (that
has the power connector next to it) and while it was loading the
greeter (? the login window) the trackball did work. Then once the
login window came up, that was it.
 I'm kinda stumped here...

sometimes some USB devices don't like other things plugged in that same
bus.. as in only have the trackball plugged in, and the other port
spare.. maybe not enough power.. I had that same issue recently with the
trinity DM, the mouse didn't work. I... gave up:) went back to MATE.
does it work on say the XFCE desktop manager?


Installing Mate  XFCE right now to test.

I must say, I am surprised that no one else has chimed in with any 
suggestions as to how to get my USB mouse or trackball working...


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Re: USB mouse on Latitude D430

[Dave Woyciesjes]

On 01/03/2014 07:46 PM, Dave Woyciesjes wrote:

On 12/31/2013 05:07 PM, Paul Cartwright wrote:

On 12/31/2013 04:03 PM, Dave Woyciesjes wrote:

it..my problem with Debian is the ice...dove/weasel.. rather than
the real thunderbird. I like thunderbird, I don't want it rebranded.

I added the Linux Mint Debian Edition repositories to get Firefox 
Thunderbird.

I just downloaded the Debian DVD... made some room on my 2nd drive. I
may install Debian  tomorrow ..a day off:)

does lsusb show anything different for your mouse with the docking
station attached??


 Nah, no difference noticed. But I did catch one oddity. Today when
I was booting up, I had the trackball connected to the USB port (that
has the power connector next to it) and while it was loading the
greeter (? the login window) the trackball did work. Then once the
login window came up, that was it.
 I'm kinda stumped here...

sometimes some USB devices don't like other things plugged in that same
bus.. as in only have the trackball plugged in, and the other port
spare.. maybe not enough power.. I had that same issue recently with the
trinity DM, the mouse didn't work. I... gave up:) went back to MATE.
does it work on say the XFCE desktop manager?


Installing Mate  XFCE right now to test.

I must say, I am surprised that no one else has chimed in with any 
suggestions as to how to get my USB mouse or trackball working...


Well, now this is interesting.I installed XFCE, and now the 
trackball is working in Gnome. Time to test the mouse, which I 
anticipate will work.

XFCE must've brought in whatever was needed...

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Re: USB mouse on Latitude D430

[Dave Woyciesjes]

On 01/03/2014 08:23 PM, Paul Cartwright wrote:

On 01/03/2014 08:20 PM, Dave Woyciesjes wrote:

Installing Mate  XFCE right now to test.

 I must say, I am surprised that no one else has chimed in with
any suggestions as to how to get my USB mouse or trackball working...


 Well, now this is interesting.I installed XFCE, and now the
trackball is working in Gnome. Time to test the mouse, which I
anticipate will work.
 XFCE must've brought in whatever was needed...

not necessarily... if you go back, it still may not work.. let us know!!

That's the odd thing. All I did was install XFCE, then noticed the 
trackball working at the login greeter. Logged in to XFCE, Cinnamon, and 
now back in to Gnome like I want, and it works everywhere


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Re: USB mouse on Latitude D430

[Doug]

On 01/03/2014 07:46 PM, Dave Woyciesjes wrote:

Nah, no difference noticed. But I did catch one oddity. Today when

/snip/

I was booting up, I had the trackball connected to the USB port (that
has the power connector next to it) and while it was loading the
greeter (? the login window) the trackball did work. Then once the
login window came up, that was it.
 I'm kinda stumped here...

sometimes some USB devices don't like other things plugged in that same
bus.. as in only have the trackball plugged in, and the other port
spare.. maybe not enough power.. I had that same issue recently with the
trinity DM, the mouse didn't work. I... gave up:) went back to MATE.
does it work on say the XFCE desktop manager?


Installing Mate  XFCE right now to test.

I must say, I am surprised that no one else has chimed in with any 
suggestions as to how to get my USB mouse or trackball working...


Have you tried unplugging the mouse/trackball and then plugging it back 
in again, after it has stopped working?


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Re: USB mouse on Latitude D430

[Paul Cartwright]

On 12/30/2013 04:49 PM, Dave Woyciesjes wrote:
 Partly ideological; I don't like the way things seems to be
 heading. Canonical's way or F-Off. Got moderated on the Ubuntu user's
 list for voicing/agreeing with opinions that differ from the Ubuntu
 Way. ;)
 And this little puppy seems to run a bit better with Debian 
 Gnome3 vs Ubuntu Gnome3. 
not exactly sure what gnome3 is.. I don't see any screenshots on
debian.org . I installed Mate desktop, I feel really comfortable with
it..my problem with Debian is the ice...dove/weasel.. rather than
the real thunderbird. I like thunderbird, I don't want it rebranded.

does lsusb show anything different for your mouse with the docking
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Re: USB mouse on Latitude D430

[Dave Woyciesjes]

On 12/31/2013 07:58 AM, Paul Cartwright wrote:

On 12/30/2013 04:49 PM, Dave Woyciesjes wrote:

 Partly ideological; I don't like the way things seems to be
heading. Canonical's way or F-Off. Got moderated on the Ubuntu user's
list for voicing/agreeing with opinions that differ from the Ubuntu
Way. ;)
 And this little puppy seems to run a bit better with Debian 
Gnome3 vs Ubuntu Gnome3.

not exactly sure what gnome3 is..

Current/stable version of Gnome desktop

  I don't see any screenshots on
debian.org . I installed Mate desktop, I feel really comfortable with
it..my problem with Debian is the ice...dove/weasel.. rather than
the real thunderbird. I like thunderbird, I don't want it rebranded.
I added the Linux Mint Debian Edition repositories to get Firefox  
Thunderbird.


does lsusb show anything different for your mouse with the docking
station attached??

Nah, no difference noticed. But I did catch one oddity. Today when 
I was booting up, I had the trackball connected to the USB port (that 
has the power connector next to it) and while it was loading the greeter 
(? the login window) the trackball did work. Then once the login window 
came up, that was it.

I'm kinda stumped here...

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Re: USB mouse on Latitude D430

[Paul Cartwright]

On 12/31/2013 04:03 PM, Dave Woyciesjes wrote:
 it..my problem with Debian is the ice...dove/weasel.. rather than
 the real thunderbird. I like thunderbird, I don't want it rebranded.
 I added the Linux Mint Debian Edition repositories to get Firefox 
 Thunderbird.

I just downloaded the Debian DVD... made some room on my 2nd drive. I
may install Debian  tomorrow ..a day off:)

 does lsusb show anything different for your mouse with the docking
 station attached??

 Nah, no difference noticed. But I did catch one oddity. Today when
 I was booting up, I had the trackball connected to the USB port (that
 has the power connector next to it) and while it was loading the
 greeter (? the login window) the trackball did work. Then once the
 login window came up, that was it.
 I'm kinda stumped here... 

sometimes some USB devices don't like other things plugged in that same
bus.. as in only have the trackball plugged in, and the other port
spare.. maybe not enough power.. I had that same issue recently with the
trinity DM, the mouse didn't work. I... gave up:) went back to MATE.
does it work on say the XFCE desktop manager?

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USB mouse on Latitude D430

[Dave Woyciesjes]

I'm embarking on a missions, to figure why the USB mouse doens't 
work on my Dell Latitude D430.
When I had Ubuntu on here, up to and including 13.10; USB mice 
worked fine. Did not change BIOS settings. Only install Debian stable.


USB flash drives work fine, and the mouse lights up. But nothing 
else


Hints?

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Re: USB mouse on Latitude D430

[Dave Woyciesjes]

On 12/30/2013 04:09 PM, Dave Woyciesjes wrote:
I'm embarking on a missions, to figure why the USB mouse doens't work 
on my Dell Latitude D430.
When I had Ubuntu on here, up to and including 13.10; USB mice 
worked fine. Did not change BIOS settings. Only install Debian stable.


USB flash drives work fine, and the mouse lights up. But nothing 
else


Hints?


Additional testing

Switched in BIOS the built-in USB hub from High Speed to Compatible. No go.

USB Emulation in BIOS - no go if Off or On.

gpointing-device installed, detects the Logitech trackball,but that's it.

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Re: USB mouse on Latitude D430

[Dave Woyciesjes]

**Apologies, meant to bring this back to this list

On 12/30/2013 04:46 PM, Dave Woyciesjes wrote:

On 12/30/2013 04:21 PM, Paul Cartwright wrote:

On 12/30/2013 04:09 PM, Dave Woyciesjes wrote:

 I'm embarking on a missions, to figure why the USB mouse doens't
work on my Dell Latitude D430.
 When I had Ubuntu on here, up to and including 13.10; USB mice
worked fine. Did not change BIOS settings. Only install Debian stable.

 USB flash drives work fine, and the mouse lights up. But nothing
else

Hints?


so, why did you not like Ubuntu  change to Debian?? I went from Debian
to Ubuntu:)
Partly ideological; I don't like the way things seems to be 
heading. Canonical's way or F-Off. Got moderated on the Ubuntu user's 
list for voicing/agreeing with opinions that differ from the Ubuntu 
Way. ;)
And this little puppy seems to run a bit better with Debian  
Gnome3 vs Ubuntu Gnome3.


other than that, what does
#lsusb show ?


dave@mini-me:~$ lsusb
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 002 Device 002: ID 413c:a005 Dell Computer Corp. Internal 2.0 Hub
Bus 005 Device 002: ID 046d:c408 Logitech, Inc. Marble Mouse (4-button)
Bus 002 Device 003: ID 0b97:7761 O2 Micro, Inc. Oz776 1.1 Hub
Bus 002 Device 004: ID 413c:8140 Dell Computer Corp. Wireless 360 
Bluetooth

Bus 002 Device 005: ID 0b97:7762 O2 Micro, Inc. Oz776 SmartCard Reader
dave@mini-me:~$



maybe syslog shows something?


Nothing obvious.




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Re: USB mouse on Latitude D430

[Dave Woyciesjes]

On 12/30/2013 04:33 PM, Dave Woyciesjes wrote:

On 12/30/2013 04:09 PM, Dave Woyciesjes wrote:
I'm embarking on a missions, to figure why the USB mouse doens't work 
on my Dell Latitude D430.
When I had Ubuntu on here, up to and including 13.10; USB mice 
worked fine. Did not change BIOS settings. Only install Debian stable.


USB flash drives work fine, and the mouse lights up. But nothing 
else


Hints?


Additional testing

Switched in BIOS the built-in USB hub from High Speed to Compatible. 
No go.


USB Emulation in BIOS - no go if Off or On.

gpointing-device installed, detects the Logitech trackball,but that's it.

Hmmm, now when the laptop is in the D-Dock docking station, the USB 
mouse works WTF?


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Re: PS/2 mouse vs USB mouse

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Mi, 08 iun 11, 10:06:36, Lisi wrote:
 
 I did say YMMV  As I say, I personally find the traction inadequate with 
 optical mice.  I can easily deduce that most people like them!

Maybe it's just because of more dust here, but I have to clean the 
sliders all the time on my mice. OTOH I don't like it if they don't 
slide easily, but I don't use pads anywhere, just the desktop surface.

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Re: PS/2 mouse vs USB mouse

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Wed, 2011-06-08 at 21:45 -0400, Stephen Powell wrote:
 On Mon, 06 Jun 2011 19:05:30 -0400 (EDT), Ralf Mardorf wrote:
  ...
  Does Debian drop valid hardware, that isn't brand new?
 
 I use a PS/2 mouse with Debian, but it does not have a wheel;
 so I can't address your specific situation.  But as to your
 more general question about hardware support, I doubt that
 Debian in particular or Linux in general intentionally dropped
 support for PS/2 mice with wheels.  It's more likely a bug.
 The problem is usually that the people who write or maintain
 the code don't have the necessary hardware to test it themselves.

Pity!

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Re: PS/2 mouse vs USB mouse

[Scott Ferguson]

On 09/06/11 19:44, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
 On Wed, 2011-06-08 at 21:45 -0400, Stephen Powell wrote:
 On Mon, 06 Jun 2011 19:05:30 -0400 (EDT), Ralf Mardorf wrote:
 ...
 Does Debian drop valid hardware, that isn't brand new?

 I use a PS/2 mouse with Debian, but it does not have a wheel;
 so I can't address your specific situation.  But as to your
 more general question about hardware support, I doubt that
 Debian in particular or Linux in general intentionally dropped
 support for PS/2 mice with wheels.  It's more likely a bug.
 The problem is usually that the people who write or maintain
 the code don't have the necessary hardware to test it themselves.

Would that be HAL, Xorg, or ? developers?
'cause if it's lack of appropriate hardware that's causing the problem -
PS/2 mice is just the kind of hardware I'd be happy to donate!
:-)

snipped

PS/2 wheel mice are the only mice I use and all currently releases of
Debian for the i386 support them by default.
With amd64 I have tried with Squeeze.
The only laptops I've installed to are running Squeeze.
That's as a three-button mouse with a scrolling wheel.

The only problems I've seen with PS/2 mice and Linux in recent years
have come from:-
;using mice that require drivers in Windoof (for basic functionality) -
there's a Korean or Chinese mouse I've come across a couple of times
(CMPsomething?) - throw in bin to fix
;(most common lately, espec. Dell) laptops with touchpads - disable touchpad
;laptops with a mouse hanging off a Y connector - don't use Y connector
;devices with touch screens - I have no idea how to fix
;BIOS has PlugNPray turned off or problematic IRQ settings - turn on PNP


I've put the appropriate xorg.conf section in another post - it might be
worth a try, though I'd be more interested in seeing the halinfo and
dmesg first...

eg:-
dmesg | grep -i ps/2
[0.679471] PNP: PS/2 Controller [PNP0303:PS2K,PNP0f03:PS2M] at
0x60,0x64 irq 1,12
[0.682717] mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice
[4.381405] input: ImPS/2 Generic Wheel Mouse as
/devices/platform/i8042/serio1/input/input4

lshal | grep -i ps/2
  info.product = 'Microsoft PS/2-style Mouse'  (string)
  pnp.description = 'Microsoft PS/2-style Mouse'  (string)
  info.product = 'IBM Enhanced (101/102-key, PS/2 mouse support)'  (string)
  pnp.description = 'IBM Enhanced (101/102-key, PS/2 mouse support)'
(string)
  info.product = 'ImPS/2 Generic Wheel Mouse'  (string)
  input.product = 'ImPS/2 Generic Wheel Mouse'  (string)

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Re: PS/2 mouse vs USB mouse

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Thu, 2011-06-09 at 20:54 +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote:
 On 09/06/11 19:44, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
  On Wed, 2011-06-08 at 21:45 -0400, Stephen Powell wrote:
  On Mon, 06 Jun 2011 19:05:30 -0400 (EDT), Ralf Mardorf wrote:
  ...
  Does Debian drop valid hardware, that isn't brand new?
 
  I use a PS/2 mouse with Debian, but it does not have a wheel;
  so I can't address your specific situation.  But as to your
  more general question about hardware support, I doubt that
  Debian in particular or Linux in general intentionally dropped
  support for PS/2 mice with wheels.  It's more likely a bug.
  The problem is usually that the people who write or maintain
  the code don't have the necessary hardware to test it themselves.
 
 Would that be HAL, Xorg, or ? developers?
 'cause if it's lack of appropriate hardware that's causing the problem -
 PS/2 mice is just the kind of hardware I'd be happy to donate!
 :-)

Most people seems to have no issues with PS/2 mice, just my Trekker
seems to have an issue.

 
 snipped
 
 PS/2 wheel mice are the only mice I use and all currently releases of
 Debian for the i386 support them by default.
 With amd64 I have tried with Squeeze.
 The only laptops I've installed to are running Squeeze.
 That's as a three-button mouse with a scrolling wheel.
 
 The only problems I've seen with PS/2 mice and Linux in recent years
 have come from:-
 ;using mice that require drivers in Windoof (for basic functionality) -
 there's a Korean or Chinese mouse I've come across a couple of times
 (CMPsomething?) - throw in bin to fix
 ;(most common lately, espec. Dell) laptops with touchpads - disable touchpad
 ;laptops with a mouse hanging off a Y connector - don't use Y connector
 ;devices with touch screens - I have no idea how to fix
 ;BIOS has PlugNPray turned off or problematic IRQ settings - turn on PNP
 
 
 I've put the appropriate xorg.conf section in another post - it might be
 worth a try, though I'd be more interested in seeing the halinfo and
 dmesg first...
 
 eg:-
 dmesg | grep -i ps/2
 [0.679471] PNP: PS/2 Controller [PNP0303:PS2K,PNP0f03:PS2M] at
 0x60,0x64 irq 1,12
 [0.682717] mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice
 [4.381405] input: ImPS/2 Generic Wheel Mouse as
 /devices/platform/i8042/serio1/input/input4
 
 lshal | grep -i ps/2
   info.product = 'Microsoft PS/2-style Mouse'  (string)
   pnp.description = 'Microsoft PS/2-style Mouse'  (string)
   info.product = 'IBM Enhanced (101/102-key, PS/2 mouse support)'  (string)
   pnp.description = 'IBM Enhanced (101/102-key, PS/2 mouse support)'
 (string)
   info.product = 'ImPS/2 Generic Wheel Mouse'  (string)
   input.product = 'ImPS/2 Generic Wheel Mouse'  (string)
 
 Cheers
 
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Re: PS/2 mouse vs USB mouse

[lee]

Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net writes:

 Hi :)

 when using a PS/2 mouse with stable or testing the mouse wheel very
 seldom does work, usually it doesn't. For Ubuntu Maverick and Natty it's
 the same.

It might help to specify which protocol the mouse uses in your
xorg.conf. IIRC, there´s some program to check out your mouse;
unfortunately, I forgot how it´s called. Perhaps you can find out what
protocol is used by looking at the X11 logfile.


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Re: PS/2 mouse vs USB mouse

[Lisi]

On Wednesday 08 June 2011 00:37:05 Ron Johnson wrote:
  You *like* ball mice?
 
  Yes - I find the extra traction far better.  I have difficulty
  controlling a laser mouse because there is virtually no traction.  I am
  slightly handicapped, so YMMV.

 Four little rubber feet on the bottom of the mouse give adequate
 friction against the mouse pad.  IMO, of course.

I did say YMMV  As I say, I personally find the traction inadequate with 
optical mice.  I can easily deduce that most people like them!

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Re: [OT] Mice (was: PS/2 mouse vs USB mouse)

[Darac Marjal]

On Tue, Jun 07, 2011 at 06:40:14PM +, Camaleón wrote:
[cut]
 
 I still see some disadvantages for laser or BlueTrack based mice:
 
 1/ They do not work on crystal or clear surfaces
 
 2/ I find batteries (even rechargable) a PITA :-)
 
 3/ There are also some security concerns in using wireless for input 
 devices but nowadays I think the data flow between sender and receiver 
 units can be encrypted

There's no reason that an optical mouse has to be wireless. Similarly,
there's no reason that a wireless mouse has to be optical. I've used
wired (USB) optical mice for ages now and love the fact they they never
get sticky. I find that ball mice gum up with detritus and you need to
give them a good shove to get the ball to move. Optical mice always
respond immediately.

As for not working on clear surfaces, consider yourself lucky. Sun
optical mice (e.g. http://www.memoryxsun.com/3701398.html) require a
specific mousepad with a calibrated grid printed on them. The mouse can
only report its movement relative to this grid (rather than relative to
an arbitrary surface as with modern mice).

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Re: [OT] Mice (was: PS/2 mouse vs USB mouse)

[Camaleón]

On Wed, 08 Jun 2011 11:06:16 +0100, Darac Marjal wrote:

 On Tue, Jun 07, 2011 at 06:40:14PM +, Camaleón wrote: [cut]
 
 I still see some disadvantages for laser or BlueTrack based mice:
 
 1/ They do not work on crystal or clear surfaces
 
 2/ I find batteries (even rechargable) a PITA :-)
 
 3/ There are also some security concerns in using wireless for input
 devices but nowadays I think the data flow between sender and receiver
 units can be encrypted
 
 There's no reason that an optical mouse has to be wireless. 

True. 

But I was replying to a KS post where he was talking about wireless mouse 
with an USB receiver so the three points I mentioned were on that line. 

 Similarly, there's no reason that a wireless mouse has to be optical.
 I've used wired (USB) optical mice for ages now and love the fact they
 they never get sticky. I find that ball mice gum up with detritus and
 you need to give them a good shove to get the ball to move. Optical
 mice always respond immediately.

I use alcohol to clean the ball and internal rollers. But I'm afraid 
laser based mice get also dirty (bottom surface has also to be cleaned 
for fast sliding). But as I said on my previous post to Ron, I can live 
with them. What happens is that modern mice are a bit ostentatious and 
full of buttons (or they're targeted to notebook users and are a bit 
small).

Yes, I'm very picky with my input peripherals :-)
 
 As for not working on clear surfaces, consider yourself lucky. Sun
 optical mice (e.g. http://www.memoryxsun.com/3701398.html) require a
 specific mousepad with a calibrated grid printed on them. The mouse can
 only report its movement relative to this grid (rather than relative to
 an arbitrary surface as with modern mice).

He, he... from what century is that piece of hardware? Nineties?

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Re: [OT] Mice (was: PS/2 mouse vs USB mouse)

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Wed, 2011-06-08 at 11:32 +, Camaleón wrote:
 What happens is that modern mice are a bit ostentatious and 
 full of buttons (or they're targeted to notebook users and are a bit 
 small).
 
 Yes, I'm very picky with my input peripherals :-)

+1


  
  As for not working on clear surfaces, consider yourself lucky. Sun
  optical mice (e.g. http://www.memoryxsun.com/3701398.html) require a
  specific mousepad with a calibrated grid printed on them. The mouse can
  only report its movement relative to this grid (rather than relative to
  an arbitrary surface as with modern mice).
 
 He, he... from what century is that piece of hardware? Nineties?

An aesthetic faux pas.


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Re: PS/2 mouse vs USB mouse

[Stephen Powell]

On Mon, 06 Jun 2011 19:05:30 -0400 (EDT), Ralf Mardorf wrote:
 ...
 Does Debian drop valid hardware, that isn't brand new?

I use a PS/2 mouse with Debian, but it does not have a wheel;
so I can't address your specific situation.  But as to your
more general question about hardware support, I doubt that
Debian in particular or Linux in general intentionally dropped
support for PS/2 mice with wheels.  It's more likely a bug.
The problem is usually that the people who write or maintain
the code don't have the necessary hardware to test it themselves.

As an example, the fairly recent (relative to how long we've had
an X server) switch to Kernel Mode Setting seems to have broken
support for interlaced video modes.  It couldn't possibly have
been tested.  But testing an interlaced video mode requires a
video card / monitor combination that supports it.  Most flat-screen
monitors don't support interlaced video modes.  You just about have
to have a CRT monitor to use interlaced video modes.  Apparently
the developers don't have one.  Code to support interlaced video
modes is there.  But it doesn't work.  Anyone who even attempted
to test it would have found that out.

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Re: PS/2 mouse vs USB mouse

[Ron Johnson]

On 06/06/2011 06:05 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

Hi :)

when using a PS/2 mouse with stable or testing the mouse wheel very
seldom does work, usually it doesn't. For Ubuntu Maverick and Natty it's
the same.



Did you choose 3-button emulation?

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Re: PS/2 mouse vs USB mouse

[Ron Johnson]

On 06/06/2011 09:48 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
[snip]


How should I break mouse wheel support, when I break ALSA? I try to get


Not at the same time, but with *different* fiddling.

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Re: PS/2 mouse vs USB mouse

[Camaleón]

On Tue, 07 Jun 2011 01:05:30 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

(...)
 
 I guess Debian and Ubuntu only have issues with PS/2 mice. 

I can't speak for Ubuntu, but I'm using a PS/2 mouse with Debian and 
works very well. I wonder what can cause a simple PS/2 mouse to 
malfunction.

Anything at Xorg's log?

 Is there a way to fix this? I tried to get a USB mouse that really
 could replace my PS/2 mouse, but all modern mice seems to be made to
 get typist's cramps. So I'll get rid of my new USB mouse if possible
 and use my old PS/2 mouth again.

Buy a PS/2 to USB adapter? :-)

There are some dual-port models to connect your PS/2 mouse and keyboard 
by using just one USB port.

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Re: PS/2 mouse vs USB mouse

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Tue, 2011-06-07 at 13:23 +, Camaleón wrote:
 On Tue, 07 Jun 2011 01:05:30 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
 
 (...)
  
  I guess Debian and Ubuntu only have issues with PS/2 mice. 
 
 I can't speak for Ubuntu, but I'm using a PS/2 mouse with Debian and 
 works very well. I wonder what can cause a simple PS/2 mouse to 
 malfunction.
 
 Anything at Xorg's log?
 
  Is there a way to fix this? I tried to get a USB mouse that really
  could replace my PS/2 mouse, but all modern mice seems to be made to
  get typist's cramps. So I'll get rid of my new USB mouse if possible
  and use my old PS/2 mouth again.
 
 Buy a PS/2 to USB adapter? :-)
 
 There are some dual-port models to connect your PS/2 mouse and keyboard 
 by using just one USB port.

Seems to be the most comfortable solution, fortunately no USB is sharing
IRQ with my pro audio sound devices ;). So for me it could be an
advantage, by getting rid of a PS/2 IRQ, it's said, that it should be
possible by the BIOS. The IRQ doesn't cause issues, but anyway, the
less, the better.

Some people's professional audio devices share IRQs with USB and AFAIK
that's the more worse, the more USB is used.

Cheers!

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Re: PS/2 mouse vs USB mouse

[Lisi]

On Tuesday 07 June 2011 14:23:19 Camaleón wrote:
  I'm using a PS/2 mouse with Debian and
 works very well.

+1  Moreover, it has a ball not a light.  I dread the day it dies!!

Lisi


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Re: PS/2 mouse vs USB mouse

[Ron Johnson]

On 06/07/2011 12:37 PM, Lisi wrote:

On Tuesday 07 June 2011 14:23:19 Camaleón wrote:

  I'm using a PS/2 mouse with Debian and
works very well.


+1  Moreover, it has a ball not a light.  I dread the day it dies!!



You *like* ball mice?

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Re: PS/2 mouse vs USB mouse

[Camaleón]

On Tue, 07 Jun 2011 12:41:19 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:

 On 06/07/2011 12:37 PM, Lisi wrote:
 On Tuesday 07 June 2011 14:23:19 Camaleón wrote:
   I'm using a PS/2 mouse with Debian and
 works very well.

 +1  Moreover, it has a ball not a light.  I dread the day it dies!!

 You *like* ball mice?

Mine also have such dinosaurian piece of hardware ball... and I'll say 
more, it's manufactured from Microsoft (IntelliMouse 1.3A) O:-)

Greetings,

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Re: PS/2 mouse vs USB mouse

[KS]

On 07/06/11 01:52 PM, Camaleón wrote:
 On Tue, 07 Jun 2011 12:41:19 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
 
 On 06/07/2011 12:37 PM, Lisi wrote:
 On Tuesday 07 June 2011 14:23:19 Camaleón wrote:
   I'm using a PS/2 mouse with Debian and
 works very well.

 +1  Moreover, it has a ball not a light.  I dread the day it dies!!

 You *like* ball mice?
 
 Mine also have such dinosaurian piece of hardware ball... and I'll say 
 more, it's manufactured from Microsoft (IntelliMouse 1.3A) O:-)
 
 Greetings,
 

Off topic but  I picked up a Logitech M515 last weekend to give it a
whirl. USB wireless* mouse with sealed bottom and moves cursor if you
hold it properly. I do have a roller ball Logitech mouse on another
machine. It wouldn't take a second if had to change it with an optical
or more recently a laser mouse.


KS.
* no serious sluggishness due to wireless


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Re: PS/2 mouse vs USB mouse

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Tue, 2011-06-07 at 17:52 +, Camaleón wrote:
 On Tue, 07 Jun 2011 12:41:19 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
 
  On 06/07/2011 12:37 PM, Lisi wrote:
  On Tuesday 07 June 2011 14:23:19 Camaleón wrote:
I'm using a PS/2 mouse with Debian and
  works very well.
 
  +1  Moreover, it has a ball not a light.  I dread the day it dies!!
 
  You *like* ball mice?
 
 Mine also have such dinosaurian piece of hardware ball... and I'll say 
 more, it's manufactured from Microsoft (IntelliMouse 1.3A) O:-)

My PS/2 mouse has a ball too :) and I'm a dino myself. The ball is the
only thing I'm not missing for the new USB mouse, anything else is bad
for this elCheapo USB mouse, but at least at the supermarket the
cheapest mouse, was the most ergonomically. 
I did open each packaging, excepted of blisters, to test the mice,
regarding to ergonomic.
Unfortunately without information about DPI and special effects.
It's still not really ergonomically and I don't wish to have a 'pocket
lamp mouse wheel' or loud button-click-noise. OTOH, the new mouse's
buttons have a better debouncing.

OT: I'm happy that still simple passive video cards are available. I
guess the major issue with computers is, that most people don't use the
computer as a tool, but as a toy. The more folderol a toy has, the
better, but for a tool folderol IMO is annoying.

-- Ralf


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[OT] Mice (was: PS/2 mouse vs USB mouse)

[Camaleón]

On Tue, 07 Jun 2011 14:16:33 -0400, KS wrote:

 On 07/06/11 01:52 PM, Camaleón wrote:
 On Tue, 07 Jun 2011 12:41:19 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
 
 On 06/07/2011 12:37 PM, Lisi wrote:
 On Tuesday 07 June 2011 14:23:19 Camaleón wrote:
   I'm using a PS/2 mouse with Debian and
 works very well.

 +1  Moreover, it has a ball not a light.  I dread the day it dies!!

 You *like* ball mice?
 
 Mine also have such dinosaurian piece of hardware ball... and I'll
 say more, it's manufactured from Microsoft (IntelliMouse 1.3A) O:-)
 
 
 
 Off topic but  I picked up a Logitech M515 last weekend to give it a
 whirl. USB wireless* mouse with sealed bottom and moves cursor if you
 hold it properly. I do have a roller ball Logitech mouse on another
 machine. It wouldn't take a second if had to change it with an optical
 or more recently a laser mouse.

I still see some disadvantages for laser or BlueTrack based mice:

1/ They do not work on crystal or clear surfaces

2/ I find batteries (even rechargable) a PITA :-)

3/ There are also some security concerns in using wireless for input 
devices but nowadays I think the data flow between sender and receiver 
units can be encrypted

For sporadic usage or to use with notebooks/netbooks/ipods/ipads/tables,  
they can be nice and convenient. 

For intensive usage, heck... leave me with my Cherry corded keyboard with 
a weight of ~1,8 kg and its characteristic clack, clack sound ;-)

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Re: PS/2 mouse vs USB mouse

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Tue, 2011-06-07 at 14:16 -0400, KS wrote:
 On 07/06/11 01:52 PM, Camaleón wrote:
  On Tue, 07 Jun 2011 12:41:19 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
  
  On 06/07/2011 12:37 PM, Lisi wrote:
  On Tuesday 07 June 2011 14:23:19 Camaleón wrote:
I'm using a PS/2 mouse with Debian and
  works very well.
 
  +1  Moreover, it has a ball not a light.  I dread the day it dies!!
 
  You *like* ball mice?
  
  Mine also have such dinosaurian piece of hardware ball... and I'll say 
  more, it's manufactured from Microsoft (IntelliMouse 1.3A) O:-)
  
  Greetings,
  
 
 Off topic but  I picked up a Logitech M515 last weekend to give it a
 whirl. USB wireless* mouse with sealed bottom and moves cursor if you
 hold it properly. I do have a roller ball Logitech mouse on another
 machine. It wouldn't take a second if had to change it with an optical
 or more recently a laser mouse.
 
 
 KS.
 * no serious sluggishness due to wireless

I guess wireless won't cause troubles for AF signals, but anyway I will
avoid wireless, because I won't do bodybuilding and I won't a battery
dieing, while I'm doing an audio production. Cable usually never gets
broken here. I only had to solder mouse-cables, when I got old,
secondhand mice.


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Re: [OT] Mice (was: PS/2 mouse vs USB mouse)

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Tue, 2011-06-07 at 18:40 +, Camaleón wrote:
 For intensive usage, heck... leave me with my Cherry corded keyboard with 
 a weight of ~1,8 kg and its characteristic clack, clack sound ;-)

I've got two simple and good keyboards, one seems to be a Cherry and the
other is better, because it's good + silent. The Cherry (or Cherry like)
has got a very old connector and needs an adaptor for PS/2 usage. I
don't like the Cherry, but I'm still an old school two finger fast and
heavy writer, a relic from the 80's when I programmed in Assembler.
Three letters, four numbers, enter, three letters, four numbers, enter.


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Re: PS/2 mouse vs USB mouse

[Lisi]

On Tuesday 07 June 2011 18:41:19 Ron Johnson wrote:
 On 06/07/2011 12:37 PM, Lisi wrote:
  On Tuesday 07 June 2011 14:23:19 Camaleón wrote:
    I'm using a PS/2 mouse with Debian and
  works very well.
 
  +1  Moreover, it has a ball not a light.  I dread the day it dies!!

 You *like* ball mice?

Yes - I find the extra traction far better.  I have difficulty controlling a 
laser mouse because there is virtually no traction.  I am slightly 
handicapped, so YMMV.  

And I have never actually *needed* to clean it, I just do it, rarely, to show 
willing.  I clean the top of the mouse more often, as soon as it gets in any 
way marked or dirty - and that too is still pretty rarely.

Lisi


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Re: PS/2 mouse vs USB mouse

[Ron Johnson]

On 06/07/2011 06:00 PM, Lisi wrote:

On Tuesday 07 June 2011 18:41:19 Ron Johnson wrote:

On 06/07/2011 12:37 PM, Lisi wrote:

On Tuesday 07 June 2011 14:23:19 Camaleón wrote:

   I'm using a PS/2 mouse with Debian and
works very well.


+1  Moreover, it has a ball not a light.  I dread the day it dies!!


You *like* ball mice?


Yes - I find the extra traction far better.  I have difficulty controlling a
laser mouse because there is virtually no traction.  I am slightly
handicapped, so YMMV.



Four little rubber feet on the bottom of the mouse give adequate 
friction against the mouse pad.  IMO, of course.



And I have never actually *needed* to clean it, I just do it, rarely, to show
willing.


Ah.  I had to clean mine quite often.


  I clean the top of the mouse more often, as soon as it gets in any
way marked or dirty - and that too is still pretty rarely.



Black is a very useful color...

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Re: PS/2 mouse vs USB mouse

[Go Linux]

YES!  I keep a supply of recycled PS2 mice on hand. I make my mouse ergonomic 
with strategically placed adhesive-backed, dense caulk strips. Those fancy 
ergonomic monstrosities drive me nuts!  Ditto laser mice.

--- On Tue, 6/7/11, Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote:

 From: Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net
 Subject: Re: PS/2 mouse vs USB mouse
 To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
 Date: Tuesday, June 7, 2011, 12:41 PM
 On 06/07/2011 12:37 PM, Lisi wrote:
  On Tuesday 07 June 2011 14:23:19 Camaleón wrote:
    I'm using a PS/2 mouse with
 Debian and
  works very well.
  
  +1  Moreover, it has a ball not a light.  I
 dread the day it dies!!
  
 
 You *like* ball mice?
 
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 will secure
 the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are
 universally
 corrupt.
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Re: PS/2 mouse vs USB mouse

[Scott Ferguson]

On 08/06/11 03:37, Lisi wrote:
 On Tuesday 07 June 2011 14:23:19 Camaleón wrote:
  I'm using a PS/2 mouse with Debian and
 works very well.
 
 +1  Moreover, it has a ball not a light.  I dread the day it dies!!
 
 Lisi
 
 

+1

Ball mice never die! (they just lose their balls, seriously)
Cottonwool bud and a screwdriver is all you need ;-p

I only use PS/2 mice (preferably Optical) *and* keyboards with Debian.
Saves power for the USB devices, makes use of the existing PS/2 ports,
co-operates with BIOS, PXE boot, and KVMs.

It's often difficult to purchase PS/2 input devices as they retail for
the same price as the USB devices, but wholesale at more. I generally
find retailers who stock PS/2 mice and keyboards also stock other
quality components and have better prices too.

Genius make a nice PS/2 Optical Wheel Mouse (XScroll), and Logitech make
a nice PS/2 keyboard (K100). There are other models and brands - but
those are cheap, reliable, and relatively easy to source.

Cheers


Tuttle? His name's Buttle.
There must be some mistake.
Mistake? [Chuckles]
We don't make mistakes.


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Re: PS/2 mouse vs USB mouse

[KS]

On 07/06/11 02:44 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
 
 I guess wireless won't cause troubles for AF signals, but anyway I will
 avoid wireless, because I won't do bodybuilding and I won't a battery
 dieing, while I'm doing an audio production. Cable usually never gets
 broken here. I only had to solder mouse-cables, when I got old,
 secondhand mice.
 

I wasn't a fan of wireless mice either since I picked up a M510 last
year. I'm still using the original batteries that it came with for a
little more than an year. I use it every day and have not bothered to
use the On/Off switch at the bottom to increase the battery life.

As far as radio interference is concerened: I have a 2.4 GHz telephone,
802.11g network(several because of neighbours), wireless Microsoft mouse
(yes, it sucks!) and a huge digital TV antenna. None of them cause any
noticeable interference.

Their weight is one reason I like them as the modern wired USB laser
mouse are quite flimsy (if you are going for the $20 ones and not for
gaming mice). The M510 and M515 give a good feeling of being a mouse (as
heavy as a 15yr old Microsoft mouse with three buttons).

Don't bother about soldering, ask on the list and I'm sure you will get
a bunch of offer to send you wired mice with dirty balls ;)

Toodloo
KS


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PS/2 mouse vs USB mouse

[Ralf Mardorf]

Hi :)

when using a PS/2 mouse with stable or testing the mouse wheel very
seldom does work, usually it doesn't. For Ubuntu Maverick and Natty it's
the same.

I replaced the mouse with an USB mouse and the mouse wheel seems to work
all the time, tested with Debian testing only. I didn't reboot very
often, just one or two times, but for the PS/2 mouse it never happened,
that randomly the mouse wheel did work for two consecutive sessions.

I guess Debian and Ubuntu only have issues with PS/2 mice.
Is there a way to fix this? I tried to get a USB mouse that really could
replace my PS/2 mouse, but all modern mice seems to be made to get
typist's cramps. So I'll get rid of my new USB mouse if possible and use
my old PS/2 mouth again.

Cheesr!

Ralf

PS: While for Ubuntu Maverick the Internet is still very fast by my
PPPoE connection, for Ubuntu Natty, Debian stable and testing it is in
hardcore slow motion, sometimes I get timeouts.
Older Ubuntu and Debian installs were ok for the Mouse and Internet. I
only kept old Suse 11.2 and there still everything is ok (regarding to
performance Suse always was less good than Debian, but now even Suse is
better). Not to mention the issues with X and monitors. Does Debian drop
valid hardware, that isn't brand new?


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Re: PS/2 mouse vs USB mouse

[Ron Johnson]

On 06/06/2011 06:05 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

Hi :)

when using a PS/2 mouse with stable or testing the mouse wheel very
seldom does work, usually it doesn't. For Ubuntu Maverick and Natty it's
the same.

[snip]

Since you didn't tell us what kind of PS/2 mouse, how in Eris' name are 
we supposed to help you?




Cheesr!



Bah!!!


Ralf

PS: While for Ubuntu Maverick the Internet is still very fast by my
PPPoE connection, for Ubuntu Natty, Debian stable and testing it is in
hardcore slow motion, sometimes I get timeouts.
Older Ubuntu and Debian installs were ok for the Mouse and Internet. I
only kept old Suse 11.2 and there still everything is ok (regarding to
performance Suse always was less good than Debian, but now even Suse is
better). Not to mention the issues with X and monitors. Does Debian drop
valid hardware, that isn't brand new?



Yes.  Abso-fscking-lutely

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Re: PS/2 mouse vs USB mouse

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 18:18 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
 On 06/06/2011 06:05 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
 Since you didn't tell us what kind of PS/2 mouse, how in Eris' name are 
 we supposed to help you?

Trekker Wheel Mouse 2.0A


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Re: PS/2 mouse vs USB mouse

[Ron Johnson]

On 06/06/2011 07:33 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 18:18 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:

On 06/06/2011 06:05 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
Since you didn't tell us what kind of PS/2 mouse, how in Eris' name are
we supposed to help you?


Trekker Wheel Mouse 2.0A



Is that a MS two-button mouse?

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Re: PS/2 mouse vs USB mouse

[Doug]

On 06/06/2011 07:05 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

Hi :)

when using a PS/2 mouse with stable or testing the mouse wheel very
seldom does work, usually it doesn't. For Ubuntu Maverick and Natty it's
the same.

I replaced the mouse with an USB mouse and the mouse wheel seems to work
all the time, tested with Debian testing only. I didn't reboot very
often, just one or two times, but for the PS/2 mouse it never happened,
that randomly the mouse wheel did work for two consecutive sessions.

I guess Debian and Ubuntu only have issues with PS/2 mice.
Is there a way to fix this? I tried to get a USB mouse that really could
replace my PS/2 mouse, but all modern mice seems to be made to get
typist's cramps. So I'll get rid of my new USB mouse if possible and use
my old PS/2 mouth again.

Cheesr!

Ralf


There are a whole slew of ps2 to usb adapters on the internet.  Be careful
that the one you get is for a mouse, not a keyboard.  And in my experience,
not all combinations of mouse/adapter/computer work, but with some
futzing (maybe also try different usb ports?) you may be in luck.
ymmv!  --doug


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Re: PS/2 mouse vs USB mouse

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 20:18 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
 On 06/06/2011 07:33 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
  On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 18:18 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
  On 06/06/2011 06:05 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
  Since you didn't tell us what kind of PS/2 mouse, how in Eris' name are
  we supposed to help you?
 
  Trekker Wheel Mouse 2.0A
 
 
 Is that a MS two-button mouse?

The Wheel can be used as button too. Microsoft? I dunno, at least
there's no Microsoft logo or name written on the mouse.

Knowingly I never owned anything from Microsoft, but the mouse is
second-hand, perhaps it's a Microsoft mouse.

It worked for 64 Studio/Debian Etch and Lenny. It's not broken, it still
works with an old Suse install.

-- Ralf

PS: Until now completely no issues for the USB mouse. FWIW the mouse
wheel for the PS/2 mouse already was broken for the clean Debian stable
install. It isn't related to self-build kernels etc..


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Re: PS/2 mouse vs USB mouse

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 21:33 -0400, Doug wrote:
 On 06/06/2011 07:05 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
  Hi :)
 
  when using a PS/2 mouse with stable or testing the mouse wheel very
  seldom does work, usually it doesn't. For Ubuntu Maverick and Natty it's
  the same.
 
  I replaced the mouse with an USB mouse and the mouse wheel seems to work
  all the time, tested with Debian testing only. I didn't reboot very
  often, just one or two times, but for the PS/2 mouse it never happened,
  that randomly the mouse wheel did work for two consecutive sessions.
 
  I guess Debian and Ubuntu only have issues with PS/2 mice.
  Is there a way to fix this? I tried to get a USB mouse that really could
  replace my PS/2 mouse, but all modern mice seems to be made to get
  typist's cramps. So I'll get rid of my new USB mouse if possible and use
  my old PS/2 mouth again.
 
  Cheesr!
 
  Ralf
 
 There are a whole slew of ps2 to usb adapters on the internet.  Be careful
 that the one you get is for a mouse, not a keyboard.  And in my experience,
 not all combinations of mouse/adapter/computer work, but with some
 futzing (maybe also try different usb ports?) you may be in luck.
 ymmv!  --doug

That's a good idea, thank you. Anyway a pity that something that worked
for years, now is dropped.

-- Ralf


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Re: PS/2 mouse vs USB mouse

[Ron Johnson]

On 06/06/2011 08:52 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 20:18 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:

On 06/06/2011 07:33 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 18:18 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:

On 06/06/2011 06:05 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
Since you didn't tell us what kind of PS/2 mouse, how in Eris' name are
we supposed to help you?


Trekker Wheel Mouse 2.0A



Is that a MS two-button mouse?


The Wheel can be used as button too. Microsoft? I dunno, at least
there's no Microsoft logo or name written on the mouse.

Knowingly I never owned anything from Microsoft, but the mouse is
second-hand, perhaps it's a Microsoft mouse.



Don't knock it.  They make *great* optical mice.


It worked for 64 Studio/Debian Etch and Lenny. It's not broken, it still
works with an old Suse install.



Does /dev/psaux exist?  Do you boot into [xkg]dm or the console?  Is gpm 
installed?



-- Ralf

PS: Until now completely no issues for the USB mouse. FWIW the mouse
wheel for the PS/2 mouse already was broken for the clean Debian stable
install. It isn't related to self-build kernels etc..



There are enough people still using PS/2 mice that the Debian-install 
people wouldn't take out the PS/2 driver.


Since you eviscerated ALSA, I wouldn't be surprised if you screwed up 
something regarding the mouse, too.


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Re: PS/2 mouse vs USB mouse

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 21:23 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
 On 06/06/2011 08:52 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
  On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 20:18 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
  On 06/06/2011 07:33 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
  On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 18:18 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
  On 06/06/2011 06:05 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
  Since you didn't tell us what kind of PS/2 mouse, how in Eris' name are
  we supposed to help you?
 
  Trekker Wheel Mouse 2.0A
 
 
  Is that a MS two-button mouse?
 
  The Wheel can be used as button too. Microsoft? I dunno, at least
  there's no Microsoft logo or name written on the mouse.
 
  Knowingly I never owned anything from Microsoft, but the mouse is
  second-hand, perhaps it's a Microsoft mouse.
 
 
 Don't knock it.  They make *great* optical mice.
 
  It worked for 64 Studio/Debian Etch and Lenny. It's not broken, it still
  works with an old Suse install.
 
 
 Does /dev/psaux exist?  Do you boot into [xkg]dm or the console?  Is gpm 
 installed?
 
  -- Ralf
 
  PS: Until now completely no issues for the USB mouse. FWIW the mouse
  wheel for the PS/2 mouse already was broken for the clean Debian stable
  install. It isn't related to self-build kernels etc..
 
 
 There are enough people still using PS/2 mice that the Debian-install 
 people wouldn't take out the PS/2 driver.
 
 Since you eviscerated ALSA, I wouldn't be surprised if you screwed up 
 something regarding the mouse, too.

I'll take a look at /dev/psaux etc. later.

No, I didn't break my system. As mentioned before, for Debian stable,
Debian testing, Ubuntu Maverick and Ubuntu Natty the mouse wheel doesn't
work for the clean installs.

How should I break mouse wheel support, when I break ALSA? I try to get
rid of Debian's outdated version, because I need the current version.
FWIW I'm making backups before I do such editing, anyway, even if I
should have broken everything now, the mouse wheel never worked before.

Thank you :)

Ralf

PS: I'll take a look at Microsoft mice too. But if possible I would
prefer not to support Microsoft and Apple.

 
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Re: PS/2 mouse vs USB mouse

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 21:23 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
 On 06/06/2011 08:52 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
  On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 20:18 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
  On 06/06/2011 07:33 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
  On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 18:18 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
  On 06/06/2011 06:05 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
  Since you didn't tell us what kind of PS/2 mouse, how in Eris' name are
  we supposed to help you?
 
  Trekker Wheel Mouse 2.0A
 
 
  Is that a MS two-button mouse?
 
  The Wheel can be used as button too. Microsoft? I dunno, at least
  there's no Microsoft logo or name written on the mouse.
 
  Knowingly I never owned anything from Microsoft, but the mouse is
  second-hand, perhaps it's a Microsoft mouse.
 
 
 Don't knock it.  They make *great* optical mice.
 
  It worked for 64 Studio/Debian Etch and Lenny. It's not broken, it still
  works with an old Suse install.
 
 
 Does /dev/psaux exist?  Do you boot into [xkg]dm or the console?  Is gpm 
 installed?

Before I go to sleep.

GDM
I'm using a xorg.conf and tested it with and without mouse setings and
the xorg-mouse'n'keyboard-packages installed, I also edited, i guess it
was HAL?! ... I need to report later, I'm half asleep.

root@debian:/home/spinymouse# ls /dev/p*
/dev/parport0  /dev/port  /dev/ppp  /dev/psaux  /dev/ptmx

/dev/pts:
0  ptmx

-- Ralf

 
  -- Ralf
 
  PS: Until now completely no issues for the USB mouse. FWIW the mouse
  wheel for the PS/2 mouse already was broken for the clean Debian stable
  install. It isn't related to self-build kernels etc..
 
 
 There are enough people still using PS/2 mice that the Debian-install 
 people wouldn't take out the PS/2 driver.
 
 Since you eviscerated ALSA, I wouldn't be surprised if you screwed up 
 something regarding the mouse, too.
 
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 the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally
 corrupt.
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minimal xorg.conf for usb mouse

[David Goodenough]

With the sid Xorg code for many systems you now no longer need an
xorg.conf, everything self configures.

But it would appear that USB mice are not supported in this configuration.

Normally I have a synaptic mousepad on my laptop, but sometimes I would
rather use a mouse.

What do I have to have in my xorg.conf (currently there is no such file) in 
order to get everything working?

David


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Re: minimal xorg.conf for usb mouse

[Γιώργος Πάλλας]

David Goodenough wrote:

With the sid Xorg code for many systems you now no longer need an
xorg.conf, everything self configures.

But it would appear that USB mice are not supported in this configuration.

Normally I have a synaptic mousepad on my laptop, but sometimes I would
rather use a mouse.

What do I have to have in my xorg.conf (currently there is no such file) in 
order to get everything working?


David

  


Hi David.

I have this code:

Section InputDevice
   # generated from default
   Identifier Mouse0
   Driver mouse
   Option Protocol auto
   Option Device /dev/psaux
   Option Emulate3Buttons no
   Option ZAxisMapping 4 5
EndSection




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Re: minimal xorg.conf for usb mouse

[Andrei Popescu]

On Tue,24.Mar.09, 12:17:38, David Goodenough wrote:
 With the sid Xorg code for many systems you now no longer need an
 xorg.conf, everything self configures.
 
 But it would appear that USB mice are not supported in this configuration.
 
My usb mouse works just fine. Try running 'tail -f /var/log/messages' in 
terminal and plug the mouse. What happens?

 Normally I have a synaptic mousepad on my laptop, but sometimes I would
 rather use a mouse.
 
 What do I have to have in my xorg.conf (currently there is no such file) in 
 order to get everything working?

I only have this:

Section InputDevice
Identifier  Configured Mouse
Driver  mouse
EndSection

Regards,
Andrei
-- 
If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.
(Albert Einstein)


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Re: Adaptador PS2 a USB: mouse funciona, teclado no

[cuc]

A Divendres 02 Gener 2009, Daniel Cliff va escriure:
 2008/12/25 Daniel Cliff daniel.cliff.em...@gmail.com:
  Hola a todos!
 
  Tengo una laptop con Debian, recién instalado. Tengo un teclado PS2 y
  un mouse USB, los cuales los conecto a la laptop por medio de un
  adaptador PS2 a USB (para mí es muy cómodo trabajar así). Lo extraño
  es que el mouse funciona perfectamente, pero el teclado no lo
  reconoce, parece.

 Prendo mi computadora. Inicio Windows XP. Espero que cargue. Enchufo
 el adaptador PS/2 a USB con el mouse y teclado conectados a él. El
 teclado y mouse funcionan de maravilla.
 A continuación, reinicio la computadora (sin desenchufar el
 adaptador!). Inicio Debian. El teclado y mouse funcionan de maravilla.
 Sin embargo, como describo arriba, si prendo mi computadora e inicio
 Debian, y luego enchufo el adaptador, el teclado no funciona (pero el
 mouse sí).

 No es extraño?

 El teclado es un Genius KB-21e Scroll. Viene con un  CD con drivers
 para W** (que no lo necesité, pues WinXP lo reconoce). Uso el
 mismo teclado en otra computadora con Linux, y funciona bien si lo
 conecto directamente al conector PS/2. Y el adaptador dice Supports
 Linux.

 Espero que no esté destinado a iniciar primero en WinXP y reiniciar en
 Debian solo para poder usar el teclado!

Mírate  a ver si la BIOS no te esta haciendo una mala jugada.  Busca por USB 
Mouse y USB Keyboard.

Suerte...

cuc


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Re: Adaptador PS2 a USB: mouse funciona, teclado no

[Marcos Delgado]

El día 6 de enero de 2009 12:07, cuc escar...@gmail.com escribió:
 A Divendres 02 Gener 2009, Daniel Cliff va escriure:
 2008/12/25 Daniel Cliff daniel.cliff.em...@gmail.com:
  Hola a todos!
 
  Tengo una laptop con Debian, recién instalado. Tengo un teclado PS2 y
  un mouse USB, los cuales los conecto a la laptop por medio de un
  adaptador PS2 a USB (para mí es muy cómodo trabajar así). Lo extraño
  es que el mouse funciona perfectamente, pero el teclado no lo
  reconoce, parece.

 Prendo mi computadora. Inicio Windows XP. Espero que cargue. Enchufo
 el adaptador PS/2 a USB con el mouse y teclado conectados a él. El
 teclado y mouse funcionan de maravilla.
 A continuación, reinicio la computadora (sin desenchufar el
 adaptador!). Inicio Debian. El teclado y mouse funcionan de maravilla.
 Sin embargo, como describo arriba, si prendo mi computadora e inicio
 Debian, y luego enchufo el adaptador, el teclado no funciona (pero el
 mouse sí).

 No es extraño?

 El teclado es un Genius KB-21e Scroll. Viene con un  CD con drivers
 para W** (que no lo necesité, pues WinXP lo reconoce). Uso el
 mismo teclado en otra computadora con Linux, y funciona bien si lo
 conecto directamente al conector PS/2. Y el adaptador dice Supports
 Linux.

 Espero que no esté destinado a iniciar primero en WinXP y reiniciar en
 Debian solo para poder usar el teclado!

 Mírate  a ver si la BIOS no te esta haciendo una mala jugada.  Busca por USB
 Mouse y USB Keyboard.

 Suerte...

 cuc


Si mal no recuerdo, un teclado usb debe estar conectado antes de que
se prenda la computadora, si lo conectas una vez que se ha prendido no
te lo reconoce. Es lo que a mí me ha pasado. Es diferente con el
ratón.


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Re: Adaptador PS2 a USB: mouse funciona, teclado no

[Daniel Cliff]

2008/12/25 Daniel Cliff daniel.cliff.em...@gmail.com:
 Hola a todos!

 Tengo una laptop con Debian, recién instalado. Tengo un teclado PS2 y
 un mouse USB, los cuales los conecto a la laptop por medio de un
 adaptador PS2 a USB (para mí es muy cómodo trabajar así). Lo extraño
 es que el mouse funciona perfectamente, pero el teclado no lo
 reconoce, parece.

 Lo único que se me ocurre es que el sistema no haya instalado soporte
 para PS2 cuando lo instalé, y por eso no reconoce el teclado ahora que
 lo quiero conectar, pero para ser sincero no sé por dónde empezar a
 buscar una solución. Hice algunas búsquedas en Internet, pero no
 encontré nada útil.

 Cualquier idea/sugerencia que se les ocurra, les voy a agradecer.

Prendo mi computadora. Inicio Windows XP. Espero que cargue. Enchufo
el adaptador PS/2 a USB con el mouse y teclado conectados a él. El
teclado y mouse funcionan de maravilla.
A continuación, reinicio la computadora (sin desenchufar el
adaptador!). Inicio Debian. El teclado y mouse funcionan de maravilla.
Sin embargo, como describo arriba, si prendo mi computadora e inicio
Debian, y luego enchufo el adaptador, el teclado no funciona (pero el
mouse sí).

No es extraño?

El teclado es un Genius KB-21e Scroll. Viene con un  CD con drivers
para W** (que no lo necesité, pues WinXP lo reconoce). Uso el
mismo teclado en otra computadora con Linux, y funciona bien si lo
conecto directamente al conector PS/2. Y el adaptador dice Supports
Linux.

Espero que no esté destinado a iniciar primero en WinXP y reiniciar en
Debian solo para poder usar el teclado!


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Re: Adaptador PS2 a USB: mouse funciona, teclado no

[Alberto Vicat]

Daniel Cliff escribió:

2008/12/25 Daniel Cliff daniel.cliff.em...@gmail.com:

Hola a todos!

Tengo una laptop con Debian, recién instalado. Tengo un teclado PS2 y
un mouse USB, los cuales los conecto a la laptop por medio de un
adaptador PS2 a USB (para mí es muy cómodo trabajar así). Lo extraño
es que el mouse funciona perfectamente, pero el teclado no lo
reconoce, parece.

Lo único que se me ocurre es que el sistema no haya instalado soporte
para PS2 cuando lo instalé, y por eso no reconoce el teclado ahora que
lo quiero conectar, pero para ser sincero no sé por dónde empezar a
buscar una solución. Hice algunas búsquedas en Internet, pero no
encontré nada útil.

Cualquier idea/sugerencia que se les ocurra, les voy a agradecer.


Prendo mi computadora. Inicio Windows XP. Espero que cargue. Enchufo
el adaptador PS/2 a USB con el mouse y teclado conectados a él. El
teclado y mouse funcionan de maravilla.
A continuación, reinicio la computadora (sin desenchufar el
adaptador!). Inicio Debian. El teclado y mouse funcionan de maravilla.
Sin embargo, como describo arriba, si prendo mi computadora e inicio
Debian, y luego enchufo el adaptador, el teclado no funciona (pero el
mouse sí).

No es extraño?


No creas que tanto. Hace unos años tenía cierto comportamiento extraño 
con una placa de audio ISA. Si estaba en Win ME (con el sonido 
funcionando bien) y reiniciaba para entrar en Conectiva 6, quedaba con 
audio solamente el parlante derecho.
Pero si desde Win ME apagaba, esperaba un par de segundos, encendía y 
entraba en Conectiva entonces tenía sonido normal en los dos parlantes.


Evidentemente algo le quedaba a la placa de audio que no se iba del 
todo al reiniciar pero si al apagar por completo.

Parece que algo así le está ocurriendo a tu USB.


El teclado es un Genius KB-21e Scroll. Viene con un  CD con drivers
para W** (que no lo necesité, pues WinXP lo reconoce). Uso el
mismo teclado en otra computadora con Linux, y funciona bien si lo
conecto directamente al conector PS/2. Y el adaptador dice Supports
Linux.


Debe haber venido con un CD, revisalo a fondo en busca de una carpeta 
Linux, puede que ahí estén los drivers necesarios. Y generalmente 
también hay un README con las instrucciones de instalación.

Otra que te queda es la página del fabricante y buscar ahí.


Espero que no esté destinado a iniciar primero en WinXP y reiniciar en
Debian solo para poder usar el teclado!


Realmente... entre las argucias de Mocosoft para que lo usen a él, debe 
ser una de las más refinadas.


¡Suerte!



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Re: Adaptador PS2 a USB: mouse funciona, teclado no

[Daniel Cliff]

2009/1/2 Alberto Vicat albertovi...@gmail.com:
 Daniel Cliff escribió:

 2008/12/25 Daniel Cliff daniel.cliff.em...@gmail.com:

 Hola a todos!

 Tengo una laptop con Debian, recién instalado. Tengo un teclado PS2 y
 un mouse USB, los cuales los conecto a la laptop por medio de un
 adaptador PS2 a USB (para mí es muy cómodo trabajar así). Lo extraño
 es que el mouse funciona perfectamente, pero el teclado no lo
 reconoce, parece.

 Lo único que se me ocurre es que el sistema no haya instalado soporte
 para PS2 cuando lo instalé, y por eso no reconoce el teclado ahora que
 lo quiero conectar, pero para ser sincero no sé por dónde empezar a
 buscar una solución. Hice algunas búsquedas en Internet, pero no
 encontré nada útil.

 Cualquier idea/sugerencia que se les ocurra, les voy a agradecer.

 Prendo mi computadora. Inicio Windows XP. Espero que cargue. Enchufo
 el adaptador PS/2 a USB con el mouse y teclado conectados a él. El
 teclado y mouse funcionan de maravilla.
 A continuación, reinicio la computadora (sin desenchufar el
 adaptador!). Inicio Debian. El teclado y mouse funcionan de maravilla.
 Sin embargo, como describo arriba, si prendo mi computadora e inicio
 Debian, y luego enchufo el adaptador, el teclado no funciona (pero el
 mouse sí).

 No es extraño?

 No creas que tanto. Hace unos años tenía cierto comportamiento extraño con
 una placa de audio ISA. Si estaba en Win ME (con el sonido funcionando bien)
 y reiniciaba para entrar en Conectiva 6, quedaba con audio solamente el
 parlante derecho.
 Pero si desde Win ME apagaba, esperaba un par de segundos, encendía y
 entraba en Conectiva entonces tenía sonido normal en los dos parlantes.

 Evidentemente algo le quedaba a la placa de audio que no se iba del todo
 al reiniciar pero si al apagar por completo.
 Parece que algo así le está ocurriendo a tu USB.

Exacto, es como si tuviera una memoria.

Yo sospecho que el problema es con la fuente de energía. El adaptador
dice USB Bus powered. Evidentemente WinXP hace que el teclado reciba
corriente (es correcto este término técnicamente?), mientras que
Debian no, y una vez que recibe corriente ya queda cargado el teclado
para poder ser usado.


 El teclado es un Genius KB-21e Scroll. Viene con un  CD con drivers
 para W** (que no lo necesité, pues WinXP lo reconoce). Uso el
 mismo teclado en otra computadora con Linux, y funciona bien si lo
 conecto directamente al conector PS/2. Y el adaptador dice Supports
 Linux.

 Debe haber venido con un CD, revisalo a fondo en busca de una carpeta
 Linux, puede que ahí estén los drivers necesarios. Y generalmente también
 hay un README con las instrucciones de instalación.
 Otra que te queda es la página del fabricante y buscar ahí.

Sí, parece que voy a tener que contactar al fabricante. El CD del
teclado tiene lo siguiente:

dan...@localhost:~$ ls -la /cdrom/
total 9291
dr-xr-xr-x 1 root root2048 2007-02-01 22:43 .
drwxr-xr-x 3 root root4096 2009-01-02 12:52 ..
-r-xr-xr-x 1 root root  43 2001-10-23 22:28 AUTORUN.INF
-r-xr-xr-x 1 root root 9506711 2007-01-25 07:20 Setup.exe
dan...@localhost:~$

Y el adaptador no trajo CD.

 ¡Suerte!

Gracias!!
Gracias por responder, Alberto!
D.


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Re: Adaptador PS2 a USB: mouse funciona, teclado no

[Daniel Cliff]

2008/12/25 Daniel Cliff daniel.cliff.em...@gmail.com:
 Tengo una laptop con Debian, recién instalado. Tengo un teclado PS2 y
 un mouse USB, los cuales los conecto a la laptop por medio de un
 adaptador PS2 a USB (para mí es muy cómodo trabajar así). Lo extraño
 es que el mouse funciona perfectamente, pero el teclado no lo
 reconoce, parece.

Voy a agregar que cuando enchufo el adaptador, el ventilador empieza a
funcionar y no para. Eso no me pasaba con mi otro sistema.

Lo mismo cuando enchufo my pen drive. Lo enchufé un momento nomas y
cuando lo saqué estaba hirviendo.
Será parte del problema esto?
Por favor, denme una mano!
D.


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Re: Adaptador PS2 a USB: mouse funciona, teclado no

[Electrolinux]

El Monday 29 December 2008 15:26:26 Daniel Cliff escribió:
 Voy a agregar que cuando enchufo el adaptador, el ventilador empieza a
 funcionar y no para. Eso no me pasaba con mi otro sistema.

 Lo mismo cuando enchufo my pen drive. Lo enchufé un momento nomas y
 cuando lo saqué estaba hirviendo.
 Será parte del problema esto?
 Por favor, denme una mano!

Esto suena a que posiblementes tengas un cortocircuito en el adaptador y 
espero que no sigas probando, de hecho si sigues es posible que dañes el 
computador. Si el sintoma es que sale hirviendo... es un claro sintoma que 
hay un cortocircuito y que el computador se calienta tanto que su ventilador 
de activa sin parar. Tienes al menos una unidad dañada y no sigas pribando.

Saludos
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Adaptador PS2 a USB: mouse funciona, teclado no

[Daniel Cliff]

Hola a todos!

Tengo una laptop con Debian, recién instalado. Tengo un teclado PS2 y
un mouse USB, los cuales los conecto a la laptop por medio de un
adaptador PS2 a USB (para mí es muy cómodo trabajar así). Lo extraño
es que el mouse funciona perfectamente, pero el teclado no lo
reconoce, parece.

Lo único que se me ocurre es que el sistema no haya instalado soporte
para PS2 cuando lo instalé, y por eso no reconoce el teclado ahora que
lo quiero conectar, pero para ser sincero no sé por dónde empezar a
buscar una solución. Hice algunas búsquedas en Internet, pero no
encontré nada útil.

Cualquier idea/sugerencia que se les ocurra, les voy a agradecer.

Saludos y Feliz Navidad!

D.


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Re: Adaptador PS2 a USB: mouse funciona, teclado no

[Maximiliano Marin Bustos]

2008/12/25 Daniel Cliff daniel.cliff.em...@gmail.com:
 Hola a todos!

 Tengo una laptop con Debian, recién instalado. Tengo un teclado PS2 y
 un mouse USB, los cuales los conecto a la laptop por medio de un
 adaptador PS2 a USB (para mí es muy cómodo trabajar así). Lo extraño
 es que el mouse funciona perfectamente, pero el teclado no lo
 reconoce, parece.

 Lo único que se me ocurre es que el sistema no haya instalado soporte
 para PS2 cuando lo instalé, y por eso no reconoce el teclado ahora que
 lo quiero conectar, pero para ser sincero no sé por dónde empezar a
 buscar una solución. Hice algunas búsquedas en Internet, pero no
 encontré nada útil.

 Cualquier idea/sugerencia que se les ocurra, les voy a agradecer.

 Saludos y Feliz Navidad!

 D.


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Hola, al enchufar el teclado que te dice el dmesg | tail?

Saludos

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Re: Adaptador PS2 a USB: mouse funciona, teclado no

[Daniel Cliff]

2008/12/26 Maximiliano Marin Bustos maxma...@gmail.com:
 2008/12/25 Daniel Cliff daniel.cliff.em...@gmail.com:
 Hola a todos!

 Tengo una laptop con Debian, recién instalado. Tengo un teclado PS2 y
 un mouse USB, los cuales los conecto a la laptop por medio de un
 adaptador PS2 a USB (para mí es muy cómodo trabajar así). Lo extraño
 es que el mouse funciona perfectamente, pero el teclado no lo
 reconoce, parece.

 Lo único que se me ocurre es que el sistema no haya instalado soporte
 para PS2 cuando lo instalé, y por eso no reconoce el teclado ahora que
 lo quiero conectar, pero para ser sincero no sé por dónde empezar a
 buscar una solución. Hice algunas búsquedas en Internet, pero no
 encontré nada útil.
[...]
 Hola, al enchufar el teclado que te dice el dmesg | tail?

Me dice esto:

[ 3202.944038] usb 1-1: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2
[ 3203.115156] usb 1-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
[ 3203.119328] usb 1-1: New USB device found, idVendor=13ba, idProduct=0017
[ 3203.119336] usb 1-1: New USB device strings: Mfr=0, Product=1, SerialNumber=0
[ 3203.119340] usb 1-1: Product: Generic USB K/B
[ 3203.602247] usbcore: registered new interface driver hiddev
[ 3203.617535] input: Generic USB K/B as /class/input/input7
[ 3203.617904] input,hidraw0: USB HID v1.10 Keyboard [Generic USB K/B]
on usb-:00:1d.0-1
[ 3203.633615] input: Generic USB K/B as /class/input/input8
[ 3203.634088] input,hidraw1: USB HID v1.10 Mouse [Generic USB K/B] on
usb-:00:1d.0-1
[ 3203.634112] usbcore: registered new interface driver usbhid
[ 3203.634116] usbhid: v2.6:USB HID core driver

Y el lsusb esto:

Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 001 Device 002: ID 13ba:0017 Unknown PS/2 Keyboard+Mouse Adapter
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub

El teclado en otra máquina funciona, pero acá no. Cuando apreto Bloq
Mayúsc. por ejemplo, ni se prende la lucecita.

Alguna idea?
Gracias nuevamente!

D.


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Re: USB Mouse

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

David Baron wrote:

On Sunday 28 September 2008 20:03:08 debian-user-digest-
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I have a logitec USB/PS2 optical mouse, the el cheapo.


snip



... or the cable and the USB plug. A little jiggle and everyone is happy (as 
long as hands are off after that.)





That reminds me of my CA0106 sound card: I have an on-board and that 
one. I use it for the headphones. Works when you don't touch the plug. 
Touch the plug and the system stops dead.



Hugo


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Re: USB Mouse

[David Baron]

On Sunday 28 September 2008 20:03:08 debian-user-digest-
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I have a logitec USB/PS2 optical mouse, the el cheapo.
 
   
 
  I had been using it with the ps2 adapter until I booted up and BIOS
  kicked about the keyboard. Taking out that connector enabled me to
  boot. So I plugged the mouse into the USB and it simply worked. Hats off.
 
   
 
  Next time I booted up, it did not work. Unplugging and replugging it
  and voile.
 
   
 
  Next time I booted up, it did not work and reconnecting also did not
  work. I get the disconnect notification notice identifying the mouse,
  etc. I do not get the connect notice like I did the last time.
 
   
 
  So … how do I get this to work reliably?

 1. Perhaps the mouse is becoming flakey? After all, it worked for a
 while, then suddenly started generating errors about the keyboard via
 the PS/2 connector, and it is an el cheapo mouse.

 2. You have gpm installed, but have it configured for a PS/2 mouse.

 3. Your xorg.conf file is expecting a PS/2 mouse, but sometimes can
 over-ride that expectation depending on the weather and the alignment of
 the planets.

 4. Your mobo is becoming flakey?

 5.  Your USB subsystem / devsys is not initializing properly.

 I think I'd start by suspecting the mouse of getting flakey.

... or the cable and the USB plug. A little jiggle and everyone is happy (as 
long as hands are off after that.)


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USB Mouse

[David Baron]

I have a logitec USB/PS2 optical mouse, the el cheapo.

 

I had been using it with the ps2 adapter until I booted up and BIOS kicked
about the keyboard. Taking out that connector enabled me to boot. So I
plugged the mouse into the USB and it simply worked. Hats off.

 

Next time I booted up, it did not work. Unplugging and replugging it and
voile.

 

Next time I booted up, it did not work and reconnecting also did not work. I
get the disconnect notification notice identifying the mouse, etc. I do not
get the connect notice like I did the last time.

 

So . how do I get this to work reliably?

Re: USB Mouse

[Kent West]

David Baron wrote:

 I have a logitec USB/PS2 optical mouse, the el cheapo.

  

 I had been using it with the ps2 adapter until I booted up and BIOS
 kicked about the keyboard. Taking out that connector enabled me to
 boot. So I plugged the mouse into the USB and it simply worked. Hats off.

  

 Next time I booted up, it did not work. Unplugging and replugging it
 and voile.

  

 Next time I booted up, it did not work and reconnecting also did not
 work. I get the disconnect notification notice identifying the mouse,
 etc. I do not get the connect notice like I did the last time.

  

 So … how do I get this to work reliably?


1. Perhaps the mouse is becoming flakey? After all, it worked for a
while, then suddenly started generating errors about the keyboard via
the PS/2 connector, and it is an el cheapo mouse.

2. You have gpm installed, but have it configured for a PS/2 mouse.

3. Your xorg.conf file is expecting a PS/2 mouse, but sometimes can
over-ride that expectation depending on the weather and the alignment of
the planets.

4. Your mobo is becoming flakey?

5.  Your USB subsystem / devsys is not initializing properly.

I think I'd start by suspecting the mouse of getting flakey.

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Re: USB Mouse

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Kent West wrote:

David Baron wrote:

I have a logitec USB/PS2 optical mouse, the el cheapo.

 


I had been using it with the ps2 adapter until I booted up and BIOS
kicked about the keyboard. Taking out that connector enabled me to
boot. So I plugged the mouse into the USB and it simply worked. Hats off.

 


Next time I booted up, it did not work. Unplugging and replugging it
and voile.

 


Next time I booted up, it did not work and reconnecting also did not
work. I get the disconnect notification notice identifying the mouse,
etc. I do not get the connect notice like I did the last time.

 


So … how do I get this to work reliably?



1. Perhaps the mouse is becoming flakey? After all, it worked for a
while, then suddenly started generating errors about the keyboard via
the PS/2 connector, and it is an el cheapo mouse.

2. You have gpm installed, but have it configured for a PS/2 mouse.

3. Your xorg.conf file is expecting a PS/2 mouse, but sometimes can
over-ride that expectation depending on the weather and the alignment of
the planets.

4. Your mobo is becoming flakey?

5.  Your USB subsystem / devsys is not initializing properly.

I think I'd start by suspecting the mouse of getting flakey.



I second that. Get another mouse and try that.

Hugo






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how to disable the touchpad when pluging usb mouse?

[Micha]

Is it possible, and if so how to automatically disable the touchpad when
plugging in a usb mouse to the laptop?

this is a dell vosotro laptop with the touchpad using the synapics driver

Thanks


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Re: how to disable the touchpad when pluging usb mouse?

[Andrea Gozzi]

On Mon, 2008-05-05 at 18:49 +0300, Micha wrote:
 Is it possible, and if so how to automatically disable the touchpad when
 plugging in a usb mouse to the laptop?
 
 this is a dell vosotro laptop with the touchpad using the synapics driver
 
 Thanks
 
 

easy peasy:
http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2006/03/24/disable-synaptics-touchpad/

Andrea


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Re: how to disable the touchpad when pluging usb mouse?

[Bob Proulx]

Micha wrote:
 Is it possible, and if so how to automatically disable the touchpad when
 plugging in a usb mouse to the laptop?

I don't know udev details but a udev script triggered when the mouse
is plugged in seems reasonable to me.  I am sure the synclient would
be useful in that script.

  apt-cache show xserver-xorg-input-synaptics

  man synclient

  synclient TouchpadOff=1
  synclient TouchpadOff=0

I find the syndaemon an indispensable tool on my laptop.  It isn't
what you are asking about but seems related.  Might be useful to know
about anyway.

  syndaemon -i 1 -K -d

Bob


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Re: mouse keyboard probs under X [WAS: usb mouse problems: etch/gnome/metacity]

[michael]

On Thu, 2008-01-03 at 14:43 -0600, Adam Porter wrote:
 michael wrote:
 
  Okay, I spoke too soon :(
  The mouse just ''froze'' on me again (as in I could move it but clicking
  did nothing) - had to ALT-TAB (to 'nothing' then again to get current
  apps)...
 
 That doesn't sound like a hardware problem.  See if you can figure out what
 apps are running when it happens and see if there's a pattern.  Maybe a
 certain app is causing it.
 
 

well I've noticed it whilst in different apps (eg in both evolution and
gnome-terminal)


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Re: mouse keyboard probs under X [WAS: usb mouse problems: etch/gnome/metacity]

[michael]

On Thu, 2008-01-03 at 13:05 +, michael wrote:
 On Thu, 2008-01-03 at 12:41 +, michael wrote:
  On Wed, 2008-01-02 at 21:36 -0600, Adam Porter wrote:
   cs wrote:
   
actually after using KDE for an hour today, the keyboard froze too...
playing with the control centre somehow reset it such that keyboard
started accepting USB input again

it seems (under Gnome) openning many more application windows (that have
not been previously openned?) somehow resets it so keyboard started
accepting input again

any ideas??! or ways to narrow this down?
   
   grep through your /var/logs for USB-related messages.  Maybe something is
   going on.  I have a PS/2 keyboard but my USB mouse is fine.  Once in a
   while my USB hard disk will bork itself and, because of LVM, I'll have to
   reboot to fix it.  Sometimes my SanDisk USB memory card reader will mess 
   up
   too.  I often wonder if it's something to do with the USB controllers on 
   my
   motherboard (which is pretty old).
  
  I'd already checked and there was nothing USB related in syslog,
  Xorg.*.log etc.
  
  However, commenting out this line in xorg.conf:
  
  Option Protocol ImPS/2
  
  seems to have helped (so far!)
  
   If that doesn't turn anything up, I'd suggest trying a different USB
   keyboard, and a PS/2 one if possible.
   
   If that doesn't help, I'd suggest seeing a psychiatrist; perhaps your
   original theory of your slowly going mad is correct.  ;)
  
  ;)
  
  I'll post an update to the list once I'm sure the above line makes a
  diff or not 
 
 Okay, I spoke too soon :(
 The mouse just ''froze'' on me again (as in I could move it but clicking
 did nothing) - had to ALT-TAB (to 'nothing' then again to get current
 apps)...
 
 

adding boot kernel option 'noapic' (as suggested on some fora) doesn't
help


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Re: mouse keyboard probs under X [WAS: usb mouse problems: etch/gnome/metacity]

[michael]

On Wed, 2008-01-02 at 21:36 -0600, Adam Porter wrote:
 cs wrote:
 
  actually after using KDE for an hour today, the keyboard froze too...
  playing with the control centre somehow reset it such that keyboard
  started accepting USB input again
  
  it seems (under Gnome) openning many more application windows (that have
  not been previously openned?) somehow resets it so keyboard started
  accepting input again
  
  any ideas??! or ways to narrow this down?
 
 grep through your /var/logs for USB-related messages.  Maybe something is
 going on.  I have a PS/2 keyboard but my USB mouse is fine.  Once in a
 while my USB hard disk will bork itself and, because of LVM, I'll have to
 reboot to fix it.  Sometimes my SanDisk USB memory card reader will mess up
 too.  I often wonder if it's something to do with the USB controllers on my
 motherboard (which is pretty old).

I'd already checked and there was nothing USB related in syslog,
Xorg.*.log etc.

However, commenting out this line in xorg.conf:

Option Protocol ImPS/2

seems to have helped (so far!)

 If that doesn't turn anything up, I'd suggest trying a different USB
 keyboard, and a PS/2 one if possible.
 
 If that doesn't help, I'd suggest seeing a psychiatrist; perhaps your
 original theory of your slowly going mad is correct.  ;)

;)

I'll post an update to the list once I'm sure the above line makes a
diff or not 

Michael


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Re: mouse keyboard probs under X [WAS: usb mouse problems: etch/gnome/metacity]

[michael]

On Thu, 2008-01-03 at 12:41 +, michael wrote:
 On Wed, 2008-01-02 at 21:36 -0600, Adam Porter wrote:
  cs wrote:
  
   actually after using KDE for an hour today, the keyboard froze too...
   playing with the control centre somehow reset it such that keyboard
   started accepting USB input again
   
   it seems (under Gnome) openning many more application windows (that have
   not been previously openned?) somehow resets it so keyboard started
   accepting input again
   
   any ideas??! or ways to narrow this down?
  
  grep through your /var/logs for USB-related messages.  Maybe something is
  going on.  I have a PS/2 keyboard but my USB mouse is fine.  Once in a
  while my USB hard disk will bork itself and, because of LVM, I'll have to
  reboot to fix it.  Sometimes my SanDisk USB memory card reader will mess up
  too.  I often wonder if it's something to do with the USB controllers on my
  motherboard (which is pretty old).
 
 I'd already checked and there was nothing USB related in syslog,
 Xorg.*.log etc.
 
 However, commenting out this line in xorg.conf:
   
 Option Protocol ImPS/2
 
 seems to have helped (so far!)
 
  If that doesn't turn anything up, I'd suggest trying a different USB
  keyboard, and a PS/2 one if possible.
  
  If that doesn't help, I'd suggest seeing a psychiatrist; perhaps your
  original theory of your slowly going mad is correct.  ;)
 
 ;)
 
 I'll post an update to the list once I'm sure the above line makes a
 diff or not 

Okay, I spoke too soon :(
The mouse just ''froze'' on me again (as in I could move it but clicking
did nothing) - had to ALT-TAB (to 'nothing' then again to get current
apps)...


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Re: mouse keyboard probs under X [WAS: usb mouse problems: etch/gnome/metacity]

[Adam Porter]

michael wrote:

 Okay, I spoke too soon :(
 The mouse just ''froze'' on me again (as in I could move it but clicking
 did nothing) - had to ALT-TAB (to 'nothing' then again to get current
 apps)...

That doesn't sound like a hardware problem.  See if you can figure out what
apps are running when it happens and see if there's a pattern.  Maybe a
certain app is causing it.


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mouse keyboard probs under X [WAS: usb mouse problems: etch/gnome/metacity]

[cs]

On Mon, 2007-12-31 at 17:37 +, michael wrote:
 On 18 Dec 2007, at 23:57, Adam Porter wrote:
 
  What video driver?  Does it happen with KDE?  Does it happen with  
  different
  Linux distros?  Does it happen if you boot a live CD of Ubuntu  
  or...?  Does
  logging out and back in (without rebooting) fix it?
 
 
 t happens frequently but not immediately each time. It used to be okay
 but I'm not sure if any updates may have effected the situation
 
 I use the nVidia driver from their site\
 
 And now I have tested KDE and after a few hours it's not happened at  
 all - so seems to be related to Gnome...

actually after using KDE for an hour today, the keyboard froze too...
playing with the control centre somehow reset it such that keyboard
started accepting USB input again

it seems (under Gnome) openning many more application windows (that have
not been previously openned?) somehow resets it so keyboard started
accepting input again

any ideas??! or ways to narrow this down?

thanks, Michael


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Re: mouse keyboard probs under X [WAS: usb mouse problems: etch/gnome/metacity]

[Adam Porter]

cs wrote:

 actually after using KDE for an hour today, the keyboard froze too...
 playing with the control centre somehow reset it such that keyboard
 started accepting USB input again
 
 it seems (under Gnome) openning many more application windows (that have
 not been previously openned?) somehow resets it so keyboard started
 accepting input again
 
 any ideas??! or ways to narrow this down?

grep through your /var/logs for USB-related messages.  Maybe something is
going on.  I have a PS/2 keyboard but my USB mouse is fine.  Once in a
while my USB hard disk will bork itself and, because of LVM, I'll have to
reboot to fix it.  Sometimes my SanDisk USB memory card reader will mess up
too.  I often wonder if it's something to do with the USB controllers on my
motherboard (which is pretty old).

If that doesn't turn anything up, I'd suggest trying a different USB
keyboard, and a PS/2 one if possible.

If that doesn't help, I'd suggest seeing a psychiatrist; perhaps your
original theory of your slowly going mad is correct.  ;)


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Re: usb mouse problems: etch/gnome/metacity

[michael]

On 18 Dec 2007, at 23:57, Adam Porter wrote:

What video driver?  Does it happen with KDE?  Does it happen with  
different
Linux distros?  Does it happen if you boot a live CD of Ubuntu  
or...?  Does

logging out and back in (without rebooting) fix it?



t happens frequently but not immediately each time. It used to be okay
but I'm not sure if any updates may have effected the situation

I use the nVidia driver from their site\

And now I have tested KDE and after a few hours it's not happened at  
all - so seems to be related to Gnome...




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Re: usb mouse problems: etch/gnome/metacity

[cs]

On Tue, 2007-12-18 at 17:57 -0600, Adam Porter wrote:
 What video driver?  Does it happen with KDE?  Does it happen with different
 Linux distros?  Does it happen if you boot a live CD of Ubuntu or...?  Does
 logging out and back in (without rebooting) fix it?
 
 

I've not had the time to try KDE and certainly not to try a bunch of
other distros!!!

It happens frequently but not immediately each time. It used to be okay
but I'm not sure if any updates may have effected the situation

I use the nVidia driver from their site

M



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