subject:"Wordperfect"


On 17/12/14 11:35 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

Who said anything about running windows?
The only windows I have are made of glass lol.
Although a virtual dos machine might be interesting if I find anything 
over much  to do  with Linux.

Thanks for the giggle,
Kare


OK, but you can set up a UNIX virtual machine. Worst case would be 
needing qemu to emulate whatever processor your WP51 version was set up 
for.


Still don't know what you have against LibreOffice. It's almost 
certainly superior to WP51 in every significant way.



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Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?

2014-12-20 Thread Doug


On 12/20/2014 12:17 PM, Gary Dale wrote:

On 17/12/14 11:35 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

Who said anything about running windows?
The only windows I have are made of glass lol.
Although a virtual dos machine might be interesting if I find anything over 
much  to do  with Linux.
Thanks for the giggle,
Kare



OK, but you can set up a UNIX virtual machine. Worst case would be needing qemu 
to emulate whatever processor your WP51 version was set up for.

Still don't know what you have against LibreOffice. It's almost certainly 
superior to WP51 in every significant way.


At least she doesn't have to worry about Styles. Most people do not need a 
QuarkXpress or MS Publisher, and that's what LO is trying to be.

Just like those expensive commercial programs, anyone who uses LO (or OO) will 
either have to read and learn a lot of instructions or find a

different solution. My solution is TextMaker from SoftMaker, which has a free 
version for non-commercial use, and which seems to have just

about all the features of the paid version. (I have no pecuniary interest in 
SoftMaker, a German firm.)

--doug

 



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Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?


On 20/12/14 02:15 PM, Doug wrote:

On 12/20/2014 12:17 PM, Gary Dale wrote:

On 17/12/14 11:35 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

Who said anything about running windows?
The only windows I have are made of glass lol.
Although a virtual dos machine might be interesting if I find 
anything over much  to do  with Linux.

Thanks for the giggle,
Kare


OK, but you can set up a UNIX virtual machine. Worst case would be 
needing qemu to emulate whatever processor your WP51 version was set 
up for.


Still don't know what you have against LibreOffice. It's almost 
certainly superior to WP51 in every significant way.


At least she doesn't have to worry about Styles. Most people do not 
need a QuarkXpress or MS Publisher, and that's what LO is trying to be.


Just like those expensive commercial programs, anyone who uses LO (or 
OO) will either have to read and learn a lot of instructions or find a


different solution. My solution is TextMaker from SoftMaker, which has 
a free version for non-commercial use, and which seems to have just


about all the features of the paid version. (I have no pecuniary 
interest in SoftMaker, a German firm.)


--doug


Funny but I never had to learn about styles. However they are handier 
than applying individual attributes to common elements. And while 
LibreOffice is quite powerful, it's not Scribus nor Scribus-like by any 
stretch. It's just a modern, feature-rich word processor. That means 
allowing people to use styles when they want to or ignoring them when 
they don't.



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Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?

On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Gary Dale garyd...@torfree.net wrote:
On 20/12/14 02:15 PM, Doug wrote:

On 12/20/2014 12:17 PM, Gary Dale wrote:

On 17/12/14 11:35 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

Who said anything about running windows?
The only windows I have are made of glass lol.
Although a virtual dos machine might be interesting if I find anything
over much to do with Linux.
Thanks for the giggle,
Kare

OK, but you can set up a UNIX virtual machine. Worst case would be
needing qemu to emulate whatever processor your WP51 version was set up for.

Still don't know what you have against LibreOffice. It's almost certainly
superior to WP51 in every significant way.

At least she doesn't have to worry about Styles. Most people do not need
a QuarkXpress or MS Publisher, and that's what LO is trying to be.

Just like those expensive commercial programs, anyone who uses LO (or OO)
will either have to read and learn a lot of instructions or find a

different solution. My solution is TextMaker from SoftMaker, which has a
free version for non-commercial use, and which seems to have just

about all the features of the paid version. (I have no pecuniary interest
in SoftMaker, a German firm.)

--doug

Funny but I never had to learn about styles. However they are handier than
applying individual attributes to common elements. And while LibreOffice is
quite powerful, it's not Scribus nor Scribus-like by any stretch. It's just
a modern, feature-rich word processor. That means allowing people to use
styles when they want to or ignoring them when they don't.

By way of example, flush-right-with-dot-leader is trivial in WP8 (the
native WP for Linux), impossible in LibreOffice without a style
which is absurdly difficult to create.

Patrick

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Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?

2014-12-20 Thread Lisi Reisz

On Saturday 20 December 2014 20:05:43 Patrick Wiseman wrote:
 On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Gary Dale garyd...@torfree.net wrote:
  On 20/12/14 02:15 PM, Doug wrote:
  On 12/20/2014 12:17 PM, Gary Dale wrote:
  On 17/12/14 11:35 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
  Who said anything about running windows?
  The only windows I have are made of glass lol.
  Although a virtual dos machine might be interesting if I find anything
  over much  to do  with Linux.
  Thanks for the giggle,
  Kare
 
  OK, but you can set up a UNIX virtual machine. Worst case would be
  needing qemu to emulate whatever processor your WP51 version was set up
  for.
 
  Still don't know what you have against LibreOffice. It's almost
  certainly superior to WP51 in every significant way.
 
  At least she doesn't have to worry about Styles. Most people do not
  need a QuarkXpress or MS Publisher, and that's what LO is trying to be.
 
  Just like those expensive commercial programs, anyone who uses LO (or
  OO) will either have to read and learn a lot of instructions or find a
 
  different solution. My solution is TextMaker from SoftMaker, which has a
  free version for non-commercial use, and which seems to have just
 
  about all the features of the paid version. (I have no pecuniary
  interest in SoftMaker, a German firm.)
 
  --doug
 
  Funny but I never had to learn about styles. However they are handier
  than applying individual attributes to common elements. And while
  LibreOffice is quite powerful, it's not Scribus nor Scribus-like by any
  stretch. It's just a modern, feature-rich word processor. That means
  allowing people to use styles when they want to or ignoring them when
  they don't.

 By way of example, flush-right-with-dot-leader is trivial in WP8 (the
 native WP for Linux), impossible in LibreOffice without a style
 which is absurdly difficult to create.

What does that mean, and why would one want to do it?

Lisi


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Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?

On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 3:25 PM, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday 20 December 2014 20:05:43 Patrick Wiseman wrote:
On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Gary Dale garyd...@torfree.net wrote:
On 20/12/14 02:15 PM, Doug wrote:
On 12/20/2014 12:17 PM, Gary Dale wrote:
On 17/12/14 11:35 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
Who said anything about running windows?
The only windows I have are made of glass lol.
Although a virtual dos machine might be interesting if I find anything
over much to do with Linux.
Thanks for the giggle,
Kare

OK, but you can set up a UNIX virtual machine. Worst case would be
needing qemu to emulate whatever processor your WP51 version was set up
for.

Still don't know what you have against LibreOffice. It's almost
certainly superior to WP51 in every significant way.

At least she doesn't have to worry about Styles. Most people do not
need a QuarkXpress or MS Publisher, and that's what LO is trying to be.

Just like those expensive commercial programs, anyone who uses LO (or
OO) will either have to read and learn a lot of instructions or find a

different solution. My solution is TextMaker from SoftMaker, which has a
free version for non-commercial use, and which seems to have just

about all the features of the paid version. (I have no pecuniary
interest in SoftMaker, a German firm.)

--doug

Funny but I never had to learn about styles. However they are handier
than applying individual attributes to common elements. And while
LibreOffice is quite powerful, it's not Scribus nor Scribus-like by any
stretch. It's just a modern, feature-rich word processor. That means
allowing people to use styles when they want to or ignoring them when
they don't.

By way of example, flush-right-with-dot-leader is trivial in WP8 (the
native WP for Linux), impossible in LibreOffice without a style
which is absurdly difficult to create.

What does that mean, and why would one want to do it?

It's often used in tables of contents, with the topic on the left,
dots to the right , page number at the far right. And it has
other uses. In WP8, it was achieved with a keyboard combo
(Alt-Shift-F8 if memory serves, which it probably doesn't). Creating a
style in Word, OpenOffice or LibreOffice is, as I said, absurdly
complicated, to do a very simple thing.

Patrick

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Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?

2014-12-20 Thread Doug


On 12/20/2014 02:30 PM, Gary Dale wrote:

On 20/12/14 02:15 PM, Doug wrote:

On 12/20/2014 12:17 PM, Gary Dale wrote:

On 17/12/14 11:35 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

Who said anything about running windows?
The only windows I have are made of glass lol.
Although a virtual dos machine might be interesting if I find anything over 
much  to do  with Linux.
Thanks for the giggle,
Kare



OK, but you can set up a UNIX virtual machine. Worst case would be needing qemu 
to emulate whatever processor your WP51 version was set up for.

Still don't know what you have against LibreOffice. It's almost certainly 
superior to WP51 in every significant way.


At least she doesn't have to worry about Styles.


Funny but I never had to learn about styles. However they are handier than 
applying individual attributes to common elements. And while LibreOffice is 
quite powerful, it's not Scribus nor Scribus-like by any stretch. It's just a 
modern, feature-rich word processor. That means allowing people to use styles 
when they want to or ignoring them when they don't.



Not true! You can't even modify an indent without messing with styles. Drove me 
crazy!

--doug


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Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?


On 20/12/14 03:35 PM, Doug wrote:

On 12/20/2014 02:30 PM, Gary Dale wrote:

On 20/12/14 02:15 PM, Doug wrote:

On 12/20/2014 12:17 PM, Gary Dale wrote:

On 17/12/14 11:35 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

Who said anything about running windows?
The only windows I have are made of glass lol.
Although a virtual dos machine might be interesting if I find 
anything over much  to do  with Linux.

Thanks for the giggle,
Kare


OK, but you can set up a UNIX virtual machine. Worst case would be 
needing qemu to emulate whatever processor your WP51 version was 
set up for.


Still don't know what you have against LibreOffice. It's almost 
certainly superior to WP51 in every significant way.


At least she doesn't have to worry about Styles.


Funny but I never had to learn about styles. However they are handier 
than applying individual attributes to common elements. And while 
LibreOffice is quite powerful, it's not Scribus nor Scribus-like by 
any stretch. It's just a modern, feature-rich word processor. That 
means allowing people to use styles when they want to or ignoring 
them when they don't.



Not true! You can't even modify an indent without messing with styles. 
Drove me crazy!


--doug

I just tested that claim and it's false. I did the normal thing - opened 
format | paragraph and changed the indent. When I was finished writing 
with that indent, I did the same thing only removing the extra indent.



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Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?


On 20/12/14 03:34 PM, Patrick Wiseman wrote:

On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 3:25 PM, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote:

On Saturday 20 December 2014 20:05:43 Patrick Wiseman wrote:

On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Gary Dale garyd...@torfree.net wrote:

On 20/12/14 02:15 PM, Doug wrote:

On 12/20/2014 12:17 PM, Gary Dale wrote:

On 17/12/14 11:35 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

Who said anything about running windows?
The only windows I have are made of glass lol.
Although a virtual dos machine might be interesting if I find anything
over much  to do  with Linux.
Thanks for the giggle,
Kare

OK, but you can set up a UNIX virtual machine. Worst case would be
needing qemu to emulate whatever processor your WP51 version was set up
for.

Still don't know what you have against LibreOffice. It's almost
certainly superior to WP51 in every significant way.

At least she doesn't have to worry about Styles. Most people do not
need a QuarkXpress or MS Publisher, and that's what LO is trying to be.

Just like those expensive commercial programs, anyone who uses LO (or
OO) will either have to read and learn a lot of instructions or find a

different solution. My solution is TextMaker from SoftMaker, which has a
free version for non-commercial use, and which seems to have just

about all the features of the paid version. (I have no pecuniary
interest in SoftMaker, a German firm.)

--doug

Funny but I never had to learn about styles. However they are handier
than applying individual attributes to common elements. And while
LibreOffice is quite powerful, it's not Scribus nor Scribus-like by any
stretch. It's just a modern, feature-rich word processor. That means
allowing people to use styles when they want to or ignoring them when
they don't.

By way of example, flush-right-with-dot-leader is trivial in WP8 (the
native WP for Linux), impossible in LibreOffice without a style
which is absurdly difficult to create.

What does that mean, and why would one want to do it?

It's often used in tables of contents, with the topic on the left,
dots to the right , page number at the far right. And it has
other uses. In WP8, it was achieved with a keyboard combo
(Alt-Shift-F8 if memory serves, which it probably doesn't). Creating a
style in Word, OpenOffice or LibreOffice is, as I said, absurdly
complicated, to do a very simple thing.

Patrick


That's just a matter of inserting the . fill character between the 
topic name and the page number. You can do it manually by entering the 
topic name, tabbing over to the right-aligned page number using . as 
the fill character.


You don't need styles. You just need to format the paragraph that way. 
You can automate it if you want, but probably not worth it if you don't 
have a lot of topics to enter.



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Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?

On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 5:26 PM, Gary Dale garyd...@torfree.net wrote:
On 20/12/14 03:34 PM, Patrick Wiseman wrote:

On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 3:25 PM, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote:

On Saturday 20 December 2014 20:05:43 Patrick Wiseman wrote:

On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Gary Dale garyd...@torfree.net wrote:

On 20/12/14 02:15 PM, Doug wrote:

On 12/20/2014 12:17 PM, Gary Dale wrote:

On 17/12/14 11:35 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

Who said anything about running windows?
The only windows I have are made of glass lol.
Although a virtual dos machine might be interesting if I find
anything
over much to do with Linux.
Thanks for the giggle,
Kare

OK, but you can set up a UNIX virtual machine. Worst case would be
needing qemu to emulate whatever processor your WP51 version was set
up
for.

Still don't know what you have against LibreOffice. It's almost
certainly superior to WP51 in every significant way.

At least she doesn't have to worry about Styles. Most people do not
need a QuarkXpress or MS Publisher, and that's what LO is trying to
be.

Just like those expensive commercial programs, anyone who uses LO (or
OO) will either have to read and learn a lot of instructions or find a

different solution. My solution is TextMaker from SoftMaker, which has
a
free version for non-commercial use, and which seems to have just

about all the features of the paid version. (I have no pecuniary
interest in SoftMaker, a German firm.)

--doug

Funny but I never had to learn about styles. However they are handier
than applying individual attributes to common elements. And while
LibreOffice is quite powerful, it's not Scribus nor Scribus-like by any
stretch. It's just a modern, feature-rich word processor. That means
allowing people to use styles when they want to or ignoring them when
they don't.

By way of example, flush-right-with-dot-leader is trivial in WP8 (the
native WP for Linux), impossible in LibreOffice without a style
which is absurdly difficult to create.

What does that mean, and why would one want to do it?

Patrick

That's just a matter of inserting the . fill character between the topic
name and the page number. You can do it manually by entering the topic name,
tabbing over to the right-aligned page number using . as the fill
character.

Just a matter of doing that? How do I make . the fill character
for tabs? It's by no means self evident, because I just went through
every menu looking for it. Came across Format, Paragraph, Tabs, Fill
Character, chose '...', clicked OK, returned to my document,
tabbed and ... nothing. No dots, just blank tabs. So I guess I missed
a non-obvious step.[Libre|Open]Office is one of the least intuitive
programs I have ever used (largely because it follows Word's lead).
Compared with WP, it's total crap.

Patrick

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Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?


On 20/12/14 06:05 PM, Patrick Wiseman wrote:

Sorry, meant to send that to Debian user; will do so now, so ignore
until it arrives that way.

On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 6:04 PM, Patrick Wiseman pwise...@gmail.com wrote:

On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 5:26 PM, Gary Dale garyd...@torfree.net wrote:

On 20/12/14 03:34 PM, Patrick Wiseman wrote:

On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 3:25 PM, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote:

On Saturday 20 December 2014 20:05:43 Patrick Wiseman wrote:

On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Gary Dale garyd...@torfree.net wrote:

On 20/12/14 02:15 PM, Doug wrote:

On 12/20/2014 12:17 PM, Gary Dale wrote:

On 17/12/14 11:35 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

Who said anything about running windows?
The only windows I have are made of glass lol.
Although a virtual dos machine might be interesting if I find
anything
over much  to do  with Linux.
Thanks for the giggle,
Kare

OK, but you can set up a UNIX virtual machine. Worst case would be
needing qemu to emulate whatever processor your WP51 version was set
up
for.

Still don't know what you have against LibreOffice. It's almost
certainly superior to WP51 in every significant way.

At least she doesn't have to worry about Styles. Most people do not
need a QuarkXpress or MS Publisher, and that's what LO is trying to
be.

Just like those expensive commercial programs, anyone who uses LO (or
OO) will either have to read and learn a lot of instructions or find a

different solution. My solution is TextMaker from SoftMaker, which has
a
free version for non-commercial use, and which seems to have just

about all the features of the paid version. (I have no pecuniary
interest in SoftMaker, a German firm.)

--doug

Funny but I never had to learn about styles. However they are handier
than applying individual attributes to common elements. And while
LibreOffice is quite powerful, it's not Scribus nor Scribus-like by any
stretch. It's just a modern, feature-rich word processor. That means
allowing people to use styles when they want to or ignoring them when
they don't.

By way of example, flush-right-with-dot-leader is trivial in WP8 (the
native WP for Linux), impossible in LibreOffice without a style
which is absurdly difficult to create.

What does that mean, and why would one want to do it?

It's often used in tables of contents, with the topic on the left,
dots to the right , page number at the far right. And it has
other uses. In WP8, it was achieved with a keyboard combo
(Alt-Shift-F8 if memory serves, which it probably doesn't). Creating a
style in Word, OpenOffice or LibreOffice is, as I said, absurdly
complicated, to do a very simple thing.

Patrick



That's just a matter of inserting the . fill character between the topic
name and the page number. You can do it manually by entering the topic name,
tabbing over to the right-aligned page number using . as the fill
character.

Just a matter of doing that? How do I make . the fill character
for tabs? It's by no means self evident, because I just went through
every menu looking for it. Came across Format, Paragraph, Tabs, Fill
Character, chose '...', clicked OK, returned to my document,
tabbed and ... nothing. No dots, just blank tabs. So I guess I missed
a non-obvious step.[Libre|Open]Office is one of the least intuitive
programs I have ever used (largely because it follows Word's lead).
Compared with WP, it's total crap.

Patrick

Perhaps non-obvious is in the eyes of the beholder. The steps are simple:
1) select the entire table,
2) go to format | paragraph | tabs and set the fill character, then
3) define the tab - in this case perhaps right-justified at 6
4) return to your table of contents and position the cursor before the 
first page number,

5) hit tab,
6) repeat for remaining topics.

I thought it was relatively simple.


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Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?


On 20/12/14 06:17 PM, Gary Dale wrote:

On 20/12/14 06:05 PM, Patrick Wiseman wrote:

Sorry, meant to send that to Debian user; will do so now, so ignore
until it arrives that way.

On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 6:04 PM, Patrick Wiseman pwise...@gmail.com 
wrote:
On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 5:26 PM, Gary Dale garyd...@torfree.net 
wrote:

On 20/12/14 03:34 PM, Patrick Wiseman wrote:
On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 3:25 PM, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com 
wrote:

On Saturday 20 December 2014 20:05:43 Patrick Wiseman wrote:
On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Gary Dale 
garyd...@torfree.net wrote:

On 20/12/14 02:15 PM, Doug wrote:

On 12/20/2014 12:17 PM, Gary Dale wrote:

On 17/12/14 11:35 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

Who said anything about running windows?
The only windows I have are made of glass lol.
Although a virtual dos machine might be interesting if I find
anything
over much  to do  with Linux.
Thanks for the giggle,
Kare
OK, but you can set up a UNIX virtual machine. Worst case 
would be
needing qemu to emulate whatever processor your WP51 version 
was set

up
for.

Still don't know what you have against LibreOffice. It's almost
certainly superior to WP51 in every significant way.
At least she doesn't have to worry about Styles. Most people 
do not
need a QuarkXpress or MS Publisher, and that's what LO is 
trying to

be.

Just like those expensive commercial programs, anyone who uses 
LO (or
OO) will either have to read and learn a lot of instructions 
or find a


different solution. My solution is TextMaker from SoftMaker, 
which has

a
free version for non-commercial use, and which seems to have just

about all the features of the paid version. (I have no pecuniary
interest in SoftMaker, a German firm.)

--doug
Funny but I never had to learn about styles. However they are 
handier

than applying individual attributes to common elements. And while
LibreOffice is quite powerful, it's not Scribus nor 
Scribus-like by any
stretch. It's just a modern, feature-rich word processor. That 
means
allowing people to use styles when they want to or ignoring 
them when

they don't.
By way of example, flush-right-with-dot-leader is trivial in WP8 
(the

native WP for Linux), impossible in LibreOffice without a style
which is absurdly difficult to create.

What does that mean, and why would one want to do it?

It's often used in tables of contents, with the topic on the left,
dots to the right , page number at the far right. And it has
other uses. In WP8, it was achieved with a keyboard combo
(Alt-Shift-F8 if memory serves, which it probably doesn't). 
Creating a

style in Word, OpenOffice or LibreOffice is, as I said, absurdly
complicated, to do a very simple thing.

Patrick


That's just a matter of inserting the . fill character between 
the topic
name and the page number. You can do it manually by entering the 
topic name,

tabbing over to the right-aligned page number using . as the fill
character.

Just a matter of doing that? How do I make . the fill character
for tabs? It's by no means self evident, because I just went through
every menu looking for it. Came across Format, Paragraph, Tabs, Fill
Character, chose '...', clicked OK, returned to my document,
tabbed and ... nothing. No dots, just blank tabs. So I guess I missed
a non-obvious step.[Libre|Open]Office is one of the least intuitive
programs I have ever used (largely because it follows Word's lead).
Compared with WP, it's total crap.

Patrick

Perhaps non-obvious is in the eyes of the beholder. The steps are simple:
1) select the entire table,
2) go to format | paragraph | tabs and set the fill character, then
3) define the tab - in this case perhaps right-justified at 6
4) return to your table of contents and position the cursor before the 
first page number,

5) hit tab,
6) repeat for remaining topics.

I thought it was relatively simple.


BTW: you do have to hit new to actually create the tab. It then 
appears in the column of defined tabs.



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Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?

2014-12-20 Thread Lisi Reisz

On Saturday 20 December 2014 23:19:50 Gary Dale wrote:
 On 20/12/14 06:17 PM, Gary Dale wrote:
  On 20/12/14 06:05 PM, Patrick Wiseman wrote:
[snip]

Why do we all have to like the same word processor?

Lisi

P.S. Sorry, Gary for the off-list just now.  It wasn't aimed only at you and 
should tehrefore definitely not have come privately.


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Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?

2014-12-20 Thread Greg Madden

Entertaining thread..cool. Long time since I read a WP, reveal codes,
styles dust up :-)

I still use WP8 in a NT4 vbox instance for a couple of tasks..I absolutely
will not give up, I too miss the dot leader feature for my table of
contents.

I miss this feature, and a few more. I use the table function almost
exclusively, full page tables mixed cell formatting, this is a pain with
styles ala LO AOO. The compelling part to AOO LO is the freedom and
ease of archiving my business docs.

peace,
Greg

On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 11:05 AM, Patrick Wiseman pwise...@gmail.com
wrote:

On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Gary Dale garyd...@torfree.net wrote:
On 20/12/14 02:15 PM, Doug wrote:

On 12/20/2014 12:17 PM, Gary Dale wrote:

On 17/12/14 11:35 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

OK, but you can set up a UNIX virtual machine. Worst case would be
needing qemu to emulate whatever processor your WP51 version was set
up for.

Still don't know what you have against LibreOffice. It's almost
certainly
superior to WP51 in every significant way.

At least she doesn't have to worry about Styles. Most people do not
need
a QuarkXpress or MS Publisher, and that's what LO is trying to be.

Just like those expensive commercial programs, anyone who uses LO (or
OO)
will either have to read and learn a lot of instructions or find a

different solution. My solution is TextMaker from SoftMaker, which has a
free version for non-commercial use, and which seems to have just

about all the features of the paid version. (I have no pecuniary
interest
in SoftMaker, a German firm.)

--doug

Funny but I never had to learn about styles. However they are handier
than
applying individual attributes to common elements. And while LibreOffice
is
quite powerful, it's not Scribus nor Scribus-like by any stretch. It's
just
a modern, feature-rich word processor. That means allowing people to use
styles when they want to or ignoring them when they don't.

By way of example, flush-right-with-dot-leader is trivial in WP8 (the
native WP for Linux), impossible in LibreOffice without a style
which is absurdly difficult to create.

Patrick

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Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?

2014-12-20 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh

On Sat, 20 Dec 2014, Lisi Reisz wrote:
 On Saturday 20 December 2014 23:19:50 Gary Dale wrote:
  On 20/12/14 06:17 PM, Gary Dale wrote:
   On 20/12/14 06:05 PM, Patrick Wiseman wrote:
 [snip]
 
 Why do we all have to like the same word processor?

Indeed.  And some of us actually like *document* processors (best example in
Debian: lyx) for extremely consistent output (and IMHO, much higher
productivity).

There is an entire world out there of text processing that decouples
presentation from content...

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  where the shadows lie. -- The Silicon Valley Tarot
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Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?

2014-12-20 Thread Karen Lewellen

I seem to recall making this point when i shared that while I respect the 
*personal*  computing choices of others, I need not emulate them.
In fact I never asked for word processing suggestions at all.  Mine, 
works, for,  me...and I think the rich thing about computing is the 
freedom to  use what works for you.
What is making me smile besides the   useless discussion comment from 
Curt, is the insistence, on a list that focuses on  building computer 
programs from   source, and where individual contributions are 
encouraged...is the suggestion that anyone at all has to use the same word 
processor.  That and the idea that anyone can decide what is superior for 
another person's computer choices.
I picked this note at random because I was surprised so many were still 
talking about this.
It is called personal computer for a reason.  i honor your idea of 
personal for you,  may you , and you know who you are, learn to do the 
same.

Kare


On Sat, 20 Dec 2014, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:


On Sat, 20 Dec 2014, Lisi Reisz wrote:

On Saturday 20 December 2014 23:19:50 Gary Dale wrote:

On 20/12/14 06:17 PM, Gary Dale wrote:

On 20/12/14 06:05 PM, Patrick Wiseman wrote:

[snip]

Why do we all have to like the same word processor?


Indeed.  And some of us actually like *document* processors (best example in
Debian: lyx) for extremely consistent output (and IMHO, much higher
productivity).

There is an entire world out there of text processing that decouples
presentation from content...

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Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?

2014-12-20 Thread Rusi Mody

On Sunday, December 21, 2014 4:40:04 AM UTC+5:30, Patrick Wiseman wrote:
 Just a matter of doing that? How do I make . the fill character
 for tabs? It's by no means self evident, because I just went through
 every menu looking for it. Came across Format, Paragraph, Tabs, Fill
 Character, chose '...', clicked OK, returned to my document,
 tabbed and ... nothing. No dots, just blank tabs. So I guess I missed
 a non-obvious step.[Libre|Open]Office is one of the least intuitive
 programs I have ever used (largely because it follows Word's lead).
 Compared with WP, it's total crap.


Just yesterday struggling with making a presentation with LO Impress.
There are some 3 dozen toolbars of which I was looking for some.
The online docs give one line of text for each -- no icon.
https://help.libreoffice.org/Draw/Toolbars

So the only way to figure which is 9say) the drawing toolbar
is to keep on turning it on and off in the menu and squint to see
 what part of the screen changes.  Quite a chore given how noisy 
the screen is

In short:
No MS fan here however MS Office is way better documented than LO.


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Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?

On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 8:28 PM, Karen Lewellen
klewel...@shellworld.net wrote:
 I seem to recall making this point when i shared that while I respect the
 *personal*  computing choices of others, I need not emulate them.
 In fact I never asked for word processing suggestions at all.  Mine, works,
 for,  me...and I think the rich thing about computing is the freedom to  use
 what works for you.
 What is making me smile besides the   useless discussion comment from Curt,
 is the insistence, on a list that focuses on  building computer programs
 from   source, and where individual contributions are encouraged...is the
 suggestion that anyone at all has to use the same word processor.  That and
 the idea that anyone can decide what is superior for another person's
 computer choices.

I don't recall anyone in this thread suggesting that. (So if the
comment is aimed my way, it's misfired.)

Patrick


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Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?

2014-12-20 Thread Karen Lewellen

Not you Patrick, someone else.
I am sort of quoting
I still do not know what you have against whatever they were suggesting
it is far superior to wordperfect.

Odd idea about a virtual machine too.
The is far superior is the sort of thing I mean. Especially when so many
others have reasons to appreciate their own word processor preferences.

Kare

On Sat, 20 Dec 2014, Patrick Wiseman wrote:

On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 8:28 PM, Karen Lewellen
klewel...@shellworld.net wrote:

I seem to recall making this point when i shared that while I respect the
*personal* computing choices of others, I need not emulate them.
In fact I never asked for word processing suggestions at all. Mine, works,
for, me...and I think the rich thing about computing is the freedom to use
what works for you.
What is making me smile besides the useless discussion comment from Curt,
is the insistence, on a list that focuses on building computer programs
from source, and where individual contributions are encouraged...is the
suggestion that anyone at all has to use the same word processor. That and
the idea that anyone can decide what is superior for another person's
computer choices.

I don't recall anyone in this thread suggesting that. (So if the
comment is aimed my way, it's misfired.)

Patrick

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Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?

On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Karen Lewellen
klewel...@shellworld.net wrote:
 Not you Patrick, someone else.
 I am sort of quoting
 I still do not know what you have against whatever they  were suggesting
 it is  far superior to wordperfect.
 Odd idea about a virtual machine too.
 The is far superior is the sort of thing I mean.  Especially when so many
 others have reasons to appreciate their own  word processor preferences.

OK, got it, and in full agreement :)

Patrick


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Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?

2014-12-20 Thread Carl Fink

On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 05:28:00PM -0800, Rusi Mody wrote:

 Just yesterday struggling with making a presentation with LO Impress.
 There are some 3 dozen toolbars of which I was looking for some.
 The online docs give one line of text for each -- no icon.
 https://help.libreoffice.org/Draw/Toolbars
 
 So the only way to figure which is 9say) the drawing toolbar
 is to keep on turning it on and off in the menu and squint to see
  what part of the screen changes.  Quite a chore given how noisy 
 the screen is
 
 In short:
 No MS fan here however MS Office is way better documented than LO.

Seconded.

I used to design software interfaces, and I'd be totally embarassed by OOo,
especially Impress with its commands scattered inconsistently and without a
schema among two kinds of menus and two different types of toolbar. What a
mess.
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Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?

2014-12-20 Thread Charles Kroeger

On Sat, 20 Dec 2014 18:20:02 +0100
Gary Dale garyd...@torfree.net wrote:

 Still don't know what you have against LibreOffice. It's almost 
 certainly superior to WP51 in every significant way.

WP5.1 users have to have 'reveal codes' or they can't use anything else.

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Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?

2014-12-20 Thread Doug


On 12/20/2014 11:00 PM, Charles Kroeger wrote:

On Sat, 20 Dec 2014 18:20:02 +0100
Gary Dale garyd...@torfree.net wrote:


Still don't know what you have against LibreOffice. It's almost
certainly superior to WP51 in every significant way.


WP5.1 users have to have 'reveal codes' or they can't use anything else.


Don't know about 5.1--that's too old for me to remember, altho I did use it at 
one
time. But Reveal Codes is a really useful tool, and AFAIK, you don't _have_ to 
use
it. The other thing that's really nice is the ^w feature, that brings up 10 
windows
(one at a time) full of all kinds of odd-ball characters, some that you can't 
get
on the Compose key--or you would probably have to look up. Interestingly, 
Microsoft
copied that verbatim in one of the versions of MS Word! Then they dropped it. 
Maybe
the WP folks sued them?

(IIRC, 5.1 is not a graphic program. I think it competed with a non-graphic MS 
Word,
and WordStar. I used WordStar on CPM and then on DOS until I discovered 
WordPerfect.
Even after WordStar disappeared as a word processor, Turbo Pascal used its 
conventions
in programming. [I wish we still had Turbo Pascal--the earlier version without 
all the
added nonsense!])

--doug


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Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?

2014-12-19 Thread Ken Heard

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On 2014-12-18 00:01, Morten Bo Johansen wrote:
 On 2014-12-17 Karen Lewellen wrote:
 
 I have a still in the package copy of wordperfect 5.1 for UNIX.
 I got this because wordperfect is my main word processor on my
 primary computer and I would welcome, if at all possible, to use
 it  with Linux as well. Is there any reason why the program
 cannot be installed on a machine running Debian squeeze?
 
 If you could somehow get hold of a copy of WP 5.1 for Dos, I used
 that with good results under Dosemu -- many, many years ago. ;)
 
 Morten

When WP 5.1 was the Queen of word processors it was my word processor
of choice. Some thirty years ago when I was in graduate school I used
is exclusively.  I continued to use it until the early 2000s but not
nearly as intensively.

Also in the early 2000s I started to wean myself from Microsoft.  Part
of the weaning was to move gradually to FOSS word processors, based on
the open office format (ODF) (1), especially LibreOffice and its
predecessors.  There was quite a steep learning curve, but once I
learned the ODF system I did not want to go back to anything else.

These days almost all word processors use the ODF.   Transfer of
documents between the twenty or so word processors, etc., for example
from a MS Word .docx file to a LibreOffice .odt file and the reverse,
is well nigh effortless.

I nevertheless still have Dosemu with WP 5.1 for DOS installed in my
Wheezy computer.  I can use it if I have to for access to what I wrote
way back then.

But where I need to lift texts from what I wrote in the 1980s for
inclusion in something I am writing now, I import such texts to
LibreOffice and reformat them.  Doing so I find less time consuming
than trying to remember the ways of WP 5.1.

WP still exists.  The current version is X7 which has its devotees.
It is however still proprietary, and what still exists for Linux is
the Microsoft version on top of Wine.(2)  For reasons already stated I
strongly recommend anyone still wedded to WP to convert to a word
processor using the ODF.

(1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument
(2) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WordPerfect


Regards, Ken


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Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?

2014-12-19 Thread Karen Lewellen


Hi all,
I appreciate all the suggestions, those on point recommending for example I 
ask   the Dutch debian project about wp.  Those far from on point 
suggestion I switch when I  stated I was  only seeking logistics.
I use dos daily and on my machine have wp5.1, which I almost never use, 
and wp6.0 and 6.2 which I use many many times a day.  The richness about a 
personal computer is just that it is personal.
My choices work for me, and I am more than  willing to respect the choices 
of others, even if I have zero need or desire to emulate them.
Thanks again for the comments, I consider this thread to be closed, at 
least for me.

Karen


On Fri, 19 Dec 2014, Ken Heard wrote:


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On 2014-12-18 00:01, Morten Bo Johansen wrote:

On 2014-12-17 Karen Lewellen wrote:


I have a still in the package copy of wordperfect 5.1 for UNIX.
I got this because wordperfect is my main word processor on my
primary computer and I would welcome, if at all possible, to use
it  with Linux as well. Is there any reason why the program
cannot be installed on a machine running Debian squeeze?


If you could somehow get hold of a copy of WP 5.1 for Dos, I used
that with good results under Dosemu -- many, many years ago. ;)

Morten


When WP 5.1 was the Queen of word processors it was my word processor
of choice. Some thirty years ago when I was in graduate school I used
is exclusively.  I continued to use it until the early 2000s but not
nearly as intensively.

Also in the early 2000s I started to wean myself from Microsoft.  Part
of the weaning was to move gradually to FOSS word processors, based on
the open office format (ODF) (1), especially LibreOffice and its
predecessors.  There was quite a steep learning curve, but once I
learned the ODF system I did not want to go back to anything else.

These days almost all word processors use the ODF.   Transfer of
documents between the twenty or so word processors, etc., for example
from a MS Word .docx file to a LibreOffice .odt file and the reverse,
is well nigh effortless.

I nevertheless still have Dosemu with WP 5.1 for DOS installed in my
Wheezy computer.  I can use it if I have to for access to what I wrote
way back then.

But where I need to lift texts from what I wrote in the 1980s for
inclusion in something I am writing now, I import such texts to
LibreOffice and reformat them.  Doing so I find less time consuming
than trying to remember the ways of WP 5.1.

WP still exists.  The current version is X7 which has its devotees.
It is however still proprietary, and what still exists for Linux is
the Microsoft version on top of Wine.(2)  For reasons already stated I
strongly recommend anyone still wedded to WP to convert to a word
processor using the ODF.

(1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument
(2) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WordPerfect


Regards, Ken


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Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?

2014-12-19 Thread Curt

On 2014-12-19, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote:

 My choices work for me, and I am more than  willing to respect the choices 
 of others, even if I have zero need or desire to emulate them.
 Thanks again for the comments, I consider this thread to be closed, at 
 least for me.

I don't think anyone was requiring or requesting your emulation.

I'm keeping this thread *open* for the usual useless bickering.

Happy Holidays,

Curt


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Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?

2014-12-19 Thread Jape Person


On 12/19/2014 02:22 PM, Curt wrote:

On 2014-12-19, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote:


My choices work for me, and I am more than  willing to respect the choices
of others, even if I have zero need or desire to emulate them.
Thanks again for the comments, I consider this thread to be closed, at
least for me.


I don't think anyone was requiring or requesting your emulation.

I'm keeping this thread *open* for the usual useless bickering.

Happy Holidays,

Curt


I disagree strongly that the bickering is useless -- unless, of course, 
it is emulated bickering.


Speaking of which, I saw an emu the other day. Can anyone explain how an 
emu differs from a dosemu?



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Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?

2014-12-19 Thread Karen Lewellen


hm whatever deepens your sense of self lol!
Happy Holidays to you and everyone,
Kare

On Fri, 19 Dec 2014, Curt wrote:


On 2014-12-19, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote:


My choices work for me, and I am more than  willing to respect the choices
of others, even if I have zero need or desire to emulate them.
Thanks again for the comments, I consider this thread to be closed, at
least for me.


I don't think anyone was requiring or requesting your emulation.

I'm keeping this thread *open* for the usual useless bickering.

Happy Holidays,

Curt


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Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?

2014-12-19 Thread Ric Moore


On 12/19/2014 02:42 PM, Jape Person wrote:

On 12/19/2014 02:22 PM, Curt wrote:

On 2014-12-19, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote:


My choices work for me, and I am more than  willing to respect the
choices
of others, even if I have zero need or desire to emulate them.
Thanks again for the comments, I consider this thread to be closed, at
least for me.


I don't think anyone was requiring or requesting your emulation.

I'm keeping this thread *open* for the usual useless bickering.

Happy Holidays,

Curt



I disagree strongly that the bickering is useless -- unless, of course,
it is emulated bickering.

Speaking of which, I saw an emu the other day. Can anyone explain how an
emu differs from a dosemu?


The lack of horns. :) Ric



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Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?

2014-12-19 Thread Chris Bannister

On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 11:46:59PM +0700, Ken Heard wrote:
 
 These days almost all word processors use the ODF.   Transfer of
 documents between the twenty or so word processors, etc., for example
 from a MS Word .docx file to a LibreOffice .odt file and the reverse,
 is well nigh effortless.

If only everyone else was so lucky. :(

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Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?

2014-12-19 Thread Chris Bannister

On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 04:49:04PM -0500, Karen Lewellen wrote:
 hm whatever deepens your sense of self lol!
 Happy Holidays to you and everyone,

Don't forget to have a Merry christmas!

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Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?

2014-12-19 Thread Ric Moore


On 12/19/2014 09:41 PM, Chris Bannister wrote:

On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 04:49:04PM -0500, Karen Lewellen wrote:

hm whatever deepens your sense of self lol!
Happy Holidays to you and everyone,


Don't forget to have a Merry christmas!


Chris, I'm looking forward to a change in my meds! Merry Pharmaceutical 
Xmas! Ric



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Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?

2014-12-19 Thread Chris Bannister

On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 11:00:56PM -0500, Ric Moore wrote:
 On 12/19/2014 09:41 PM, Chris Bannister wrote:
 On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 04:49:04PM -0500, Karen Lewellen wrote:
 hm whatever deepens your sense of self lol!
 Happy Holidays to you and everyone,
 
 Don't forget to have a Merry christmas!
 
 Chris, I'm looking forward to a change in my meds! Merry Pharmaceutical
 Xmas! Ric

You too! If you happen to take your holidays at the same time, then enjoy
them as well. :)

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Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?

2014-12-17 Thread Joel Rees

On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 2:57 PM, Rusi Mody rustompm...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 11:00:03 AM UTC+5:30, Doug wrote:
On 12/16/2014 11:34 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
YOu know?
I need to check this edition then, because it is far more current than
1995 I am sure.
Kare

Ok, I was guessing 1995, it was later. I found my copy of Corel WordPerfect
8 for Linux, Personal Edition. The disk is copyright 1998.
If you have a version for Unix, it might never have run on Linux at all. If
you have some kind of Unix, you could always try it and see
what happens. There are various BCD versions around, which will supposedly
run on a PC. I installed PCBCD, but I couldn't get it to boot
on a multi-boot system, and I don't have a spare PC to try it on. In spite
of the fact that I never throw anything out, I can't find
the copy of Solaris I was going to offer you. It came from about 2000. If
you know what kind of Unix the WP was made for, and what year,
I bet you can find a Unix that will run it, on eBay, or Amazon. Most Unixes
were not free, however. Maybe the obsolescent ones are at
least reasonable! And, of course, most Unixes did not run on PCs, but some
did--the Solaris I had would. If by chance I find it, I'll
let you know.

--doug

At least some versions seem to run on crossover
https://www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/search?name=Wordperfectsearch=app

So maybe wine as well

Back in the mid-to-late 1980s, WordPerfect was running native on quite
a large number of Unix OSses. It was known as a cross-platform word
processor.

And the company was still small enough to care about things like that,
too. WordPerfect Corp getting to big did as much damage as the failure
to adjust the Mac version to the Mac environment, and was probably
what made the company weak enough for Microsoft to launch a sucessful
attack.

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Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?

2014-12-17 Thread Karen Lewellen


Hi again,
I appreciate all You provided in this exchange.  Please do not go to over 
much  trouble.  as I use wp every single day on my main computer, and only 
had  a desire to find something I might personally do with my Debian box, 
I  will not lose anything if  by chance my copy will only run in a Unix 
structure.
I am not bothered paying for what I consider a worth while professional 
investment,  weather financially or in energy.

It may be a fun experiment, but not a critical requirement.
Kare


On Wed, 17 Dec 2014, Doug wrote:


On 12/16/2014 11:34 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

 YOu know?
 I need to check this edition then, because it is far more current than
 1995 I  am sure.
 Kare


Ok, I was guessing 1995, it was later. I found my copy of Corel WordPerfect 8 
for Linux, Personal Edition. The disk is copyright 1998.
If you have a version for Unix, it might never have run on Linux at all. If 
you have some kind of Unix, you could always try it and see
what happens. There are various BCD versions around, which will supposedly 
run on a PC. I installed PCBCD, but I couldn't get it to boot
on a multi-boot system, and I don't have a spare PC to try it on. In spite of 
the fact that I never throw anything out, I can't find
the copy of Solaris I was going to offer you. It came from about 2000. If you 
know what kind of Unix the WP was made for, and what year,
I bet you can find a Unix that will run it, on eBay, or Amazon. Most Unixes 
were not free, however. Maybe the obsolescent ones are at
least reasonable! And, of course, most Unixes did not run on PCs, but some 
did--the Solaris I had would. If by chance I find it, I'll

let you know.

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Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?

2014-12-17 Thread Ron

I still have the fourteen years old CDs of the Corel Linux distribution, which 
came with WordPerfect.

Re-installed it a couple months ago so I could print some old WP for DOS 
documents I had, which did not format properly in more recent versions, or 
under LibreOffice.

Had to dig out an old Pentium II box, as the install would not work on more 
recent hardware  ;-3(

Seems you can still find it for download on the net.
 
Cheers,
 
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Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?

2014-12-17 Thread Joel Rees

On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 12:44 PM, Karen Lewellen
klewel...@shellworld.net wrote:
Greetings everyone,
I have a still in the package copy of wordperfect 5.1 for UNIX.

Which Unix? Which hardware vendor/CPU?

I got this
because wordperfect is my main word processor on my primary computer and I
would welcome, if at all possible, to use it with Linux as well.

The Linux version that got dropped has been mentioned.

Is there any reason why the program cannot be installed on a machine running
Debian squeeze?

It's a different OS, may well be a different CPU. You would need to
have an emulator to emulate the OS, and probably the CPU, as well.

It would be nice if such an emulator existed, but I doubt it. Writing
an emulator is hard work and takes a fair mount of time.

My interest is in logistics, as I realize the software may be better suited
for networks, not individual computers.
Thanks,
Karen

Worderfect 5 for the old classic Mac OS might run under one of the
Macintosh emulators.

Wine Is Not an Emulator, but it does something sort of like emulation
and allows some older versions of WordPerfect for DOS or MSWindows OS
x86 to run on Linux, as has been mentioned. Not very satisfactory,
however.

Better option is to set up a virtual machine (another kind of
emulator, really) to run MSWindows in and run a recent version of
WordPerfect MSWindows version in the virtual machine. QEMU, Xen, and
some other VMs exist.

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Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?

2014-12-17 Thread Paul van der Vlis

Op 17-12-14 om 04:44 schreef Karen Lewellen:
 Greetings everyone,
 I have a still in the package copy of wordperfect 5.1 for UNIX.  I got
 this because wordperfect is my main word processor on my primary
 computer and I would welcome, if at all possible, to use it  with Linux
 as well.
 Is there any reason why the program cannot be installed on a machine
 running Debian squeeze?
  My interest is in logistics, as I realize the software may be better
 suited for networks, not individual computers.
 Thanks,
 Karen

I know the guys from Dutch Debian Distribution Initiative are selling a
Debian extra DVD with the 'free edition of WordPerfect 8 for Linux'.
Maybe you can ask them what that is:
http://dddi.nl/neword_en.html (search for WordPerfect).

With regards,
Paul van der Vlis.


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Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?

2014-12-17 Thread Siard

Doug:
 Karen Lewellen:
  Doug:
   There was once (around 1995?) a WordPerfect version for Linux. It
   worked, but it had terrible fonts. It has not been possible to
   install that for at least the past 4 years, and probably longer,
   as the dependencies can no longer be met.
 
  YOu know?
  I need to check this edition then, because it is far more current
  than 1995 I  am sure. Kare

 Ok, I was guessing 1995, it was later. I found my copy of Corel
 WordPerfect 8 for Linux, Personal Edition. The disk is copyright
 1998.

You might find this site about using WP on Linux interesting:
http://xwp8users.com/
There's a section about running WP8 on current Debian-based distros.

And the corel.WordPerfect_Linux newsgroup at the cnews.corel.com server
still exists.


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Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?

2014-12-17 Thread Morten Bo Johansen

On 2014-12-17 Karen Lewellen wrote:

 I have a still in the package copy of wordperfect 5.1 for UNIX.  I got 
 this because wordperfect is my main word processor on my primary computer 
 and I would welcome, if at all possible, to use it  with Linux as well.
 Is there any reason why the program cannot be installed on a machine 
 running Debian squeeze?

If you could somehow get hold of a copy of WP 5.1 for Dos, I used that
with good results under Dosemu -- many, many years ago. ;)

  Morten
  



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Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian? (more)

2014-12-17 Thread Ric Moore


On 12/16/2014 11:41 PM, Doug wrote:

On 12/16/2014 10:57 PM, Doug wrote:

On 12/16/2014 10:44 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

Greetings everyone,
I have a still in the package copy of wordperfect 5.1 for UNIX.  I
got this because wordperfect is my main word processor on my primary
computer and I would welcome, if at all possible, to use it  with
Linux as well.
Is there any reason why the program cannot be installed on a machine
running Debian squeeze?
  My interest is in logistics, as I realize the software may be
better suited for networks, not individual computers.
Thanks,
Karen



There was once (around 1995?) a WordPerfect version for Linux. It
worked, but it had terrible fonts. It has not been possible to install
that for at least the past 4 years, and probably longer, as the
dependencies can no longer be met. I have WordPerfect12 working on the
latest PCLinuxOS KDE, but not the spread sheet. It doesn't look real
nice on the screen, and it comes up with some difficulty, but it is
usable, if you are stubborn. I also have Corel Draw 9 and the
corresponding PhotoPaint working. Both of WP and draw are running in
WINE.

--doug



Just a little follow-up to the last post. I don't like OpenOffice or
LibreOffice because I don't like the strait-jacket they
put you in.


Which is what?? It certainly isn't the price. :/ Ric


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Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian? (more)

2014-12-17 Thread Charlie

On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 13:14:23 -0500 Ric Moore sent:

snip
   
  Just a little follow-up to the last post. I don't like OpenOffice or
  LibreOffice because I don't like the strait-jacket they
  put you in.  
 
 Which is what?? It certainly isn't the price. :/ Ric

Actually, I was going to ask that but thought it might be a silly
question?

So thanks for asking it. Because it would be interesting to know what
sort of strait jacket I'm bound into when using LibreOffice.

Be well,
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Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?

2014-12-17 Thread Doug


On 12/17/2014 08:58 AM, Paul van der Vlis wrote:

Op 17-12-14 om 04:44 schreef Karen Lewellen:

Greetings everyone,
I have a still in the package copy of wordperfect 5.1 for UNIX.  I got
this because wordperfect is my main word processor on my primary
computer and I would welcome, if at all possible, to use it  with Linux
as well.
Is there any reason why the program cannot be installed on a machine
running Debian squeeze?
  My interest is in logistics, as I realize the software may be better
suited for networks, not individual computers.
Thanks,
Karen


I know the guys from Dutch Debian Distribution Initiative are selling a
Debian extra DVD with the 'free edition of WordPerfect 8 for Linux'.
Maybe you can ask them what that is:
http://dddi.nl/neword_en.html (search for WordPerfect).

With regards,
Paul van der Vlis.



If anyone figures out how to get ONLY the EXTRA CD _and_ how to get it shipped 
to the US, and hopefully for less than €24,
I would like very much to know. Please post it in this thread, or send to me 
directly. Thank you!

--doug


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Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian? (more)

2014-12-17 Thread Doug


On 12/17/2014 01:14 PM, Ric Moore wrote:

On 12/16/2014 11:41 PM, Doug wrote:


/snip/





Just a little follow-up to the last post. I don't like OpenOffice or
LibreOffice because I don't like the strait-jacket they
put you in.


Which is what?? It certainly isn't the price. :/ Ric



I don't want to get into this again. You can't even indent a line
or if indented remove it without invoking their preset formats,
or styles, or whatever they call them. They can keep it!

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Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian? (more)

2014-12-17 Thread Ric Moore


On 12/17/2014 07:43 PM, Charlie wrote:

On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 13:14:23 -0500 Ric Moore sent:

snip



Just a little follow-up to the last post. I don't like OpenOffice or
LibreOffice because I don't like the strait-jacket they
put you in.


Which is what?? It certainly isn't the price. :/ Ric


Actually, I was going to ask that but thought it might be a silly
question?

So thanks for asking it. Because it would be interesting to know what
sort of strait jacket I'm bound into when using LibreOffice.


Hopefully, not one of the rubber ones. They itch. :) Ric



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Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?

2014-12-17 Thread Karen Lewellen


Hi Paul.
What an interesting link.  thanks for sharing that Dutch project.
Karen


On Wed, 17 Dec 2014, Doug wrote:


On 12/17/2014 08:58 AM, Paul van der Vlis wrote:

 Op 17-12-14 om 04:44 schreef Karen Lewellen:
  Greetings everyone,
  I have a still in the package copy of wordperfect 5.1 for UNIX.  I got
  this because wordperfect is my main word processor on my primary
  computer and I would welcome, if at all possible, to use it  with Linux
  as well.
  Is there any reason why the program cannot be installed on a machine
  running Debian squeeze?
My interest is in logistics, as I realize the software may be better
  suited for networks, not individual computers.
  Thanks,
  Karen

 I know the guys from Dutch Debian Distribution Initiative are selling a
 Debian extra DVD with the 'free edition of WordPerfect 8 for Linux'.
 Maybe you can ask them what that is:
 http://dddi.nl/neword_en.html (search for WordPerfect).

 With regards,
 Paul van der Vlis.


If anyone figures out how to get ONLY the EXTRA CD _and_ how to get it 
shipped to the US, and hopefully for less than €24,
I would like very much to know. Please post it in this thread, or send to me 
directly. Thank you!


--doug


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Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?

2014-12-17 Thread Gary Dale


On 16/12/14 10:44 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

Greetings everyone,
I have a still in the package copy of wordperfect 5.1 for UNIX.  I got 
this because wordperfect is my main word processor on my primary 
computer and I would welcome, if at all possible, to use it  with 
Linux as well.
Is there any reason why the program cannot be installed on a machine 
running Debian squeeze?
 My interest is in logistics, as I realize the software may be better 
suited for networks, not individual computers.

Thanks,
Karen


LibreOffice reads WP documents quite well in my experience. However if 
you want a version running in Linux, just set up a virtual machine and 
run your primary computer's copy.


Wine and its derivatives can generally handle Windows programs but 
virtual machines provide a pretty good alternative when you want the 
program to work like it does on Windows. I use KVM myself and find it 
great for most purposes but when a friend needed something to run 
AutoCAD, it required Vmware. I think VirtualBox has caught up a bit 
since then in the area of graphics processors.


Way back, I actually used Corel's Linux with WP and found it better than 
the alternatives at the time. However things have progressed rapidly 
since then and my advice is to make the switch to LibreOffice. It's 
cross-platform, current, maintained and uses the ISO standard data 
formats so you won't be stuck in the future.



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Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?

2014-12-17 Thread Karen Lewellen


Who said anything about running windows?
The only windows I have are made of glass lol.
Although a virtual dos machine might be interesting if I find anything 
over much  to do  with Linux.

Thanks for the giggle,
Kare


On Wed, 17 Dec 2014, Gary Dale wrote:


On 16/12/14 10:44 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

 Greetings everyone,
 I have a still in the package copy of wordperfect 5.1 for UNIX.  I got
 this because wordperfect is my main word processor on my primary computer
 and I would welcome, if at all possible, to use it  with Linux as well.
 Is there any reason why the program cannot be installed on a machine
 running Debian squeeze?
 My interest is in logistics, as I realize the software may be better
 suited for networks, not individual computers.
 Thanks,
 Karen


LibreOffice reads WP documents quite well in my experience. However if you 
want a version running in Linux, just set up a virtual machine and run your 
primary computer's copy.


Wine and its derivatives can generally handle Windows programs but virtual 
machines provide a pretty good alternative when you want the program to work 
like it does on Windows. I use KVM myself and find it great for most purposes 
but when a friend needed something to run AutoCAD, it required Vmware. I 
think VirtualBox has caught up a bit since then in the area of graphics 
processors.


Way back, I actually used Corel's Linux with WP and found it better than the 
alternatives at the time. However things have progressed rapidly since then 
and my advice is to make the switch to LibreOffice. It's cross-platform, 
current, maintained and uses the ISO standard data formats so you won't be 
stuck in the future.



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Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?

2014-12-17 Thread Doug



On 12/17/2014 11:15 PM, Gary Dale wrote:

On 16/12/14 10:44 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

Greetings everyone,
I have a still in the package copy of wordperfect 5.1 for UNIX. I got 
this because wordperfect is my main word processor on my primary 
computer and I would welcome, if at all possible, to use it  with 
Linux as well.
Is there any reason why the program cannot be installed on a machine 
running Debian squeeze?
 My interest is in logistics, as I realize the software may be better 
suited for networks, not individual computers.

Thanks,
Karen


LibreOffice reads WP documents quite well in my experience. However if 
you want a version running in Linux, just set up a virtual machine and 
run your primary computer's copy.


Wine and its derivatives can generally handle Windows programs but 
virtual machines provide a pretty good alternative when you want the 
program to work like it does on Windows. I use KVM myself and find it 
great for most purposes but when a friend needed something to run 
AutoCAD, it required Vmware. I think VirtualBox has caught up a bit 
since then in the area of graphics processors.


Way back, I actually used Corel's Linux with WP and found it better 
than the alternatives at the time. However things have progressed 
rapidly since then and my advice is to make the switch to LibreOffice. 
It's cross-platform, current, maintained and uses the ISO standard 
data formats so you won't be stuck in the future.
If you can't tolerate the strictures of LO, take a look at Softmaker 
Office. I don't know if it reads WordPerfect, but it reads and writes 
all the modern formats.
There's a free version for non-commercial use, and it seems to have just 
about all the pay version has. Don't know if there is a .deb install 
version; there

is an rpm. There is a word processor, a spreadsheet, and Presentations.

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wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?

2014-12-16 Thread Karen Lewellen


Greetings everyone,
I have a still in the package copy of wordperfect 5.1 for UNIX.  I got 
this because wordperfect is my main word processor on my primary computer 
and I would welcome, if at all possible, to use it  with Linux as well.
Is there any reason why the program cannot be installed on a machine 
running Debian squeeze?
 My interest is in logistics, as I realize the software may be better 
suited for networks, not individual computers.

Thanks,
Karen


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Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?

2014-12-16 Thread Doug


On 12/16/2014 10:44 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

Greetings everyone,
I have a still in the package copy of wordperfect 5.1 for UNIX.  I got this 
because wordperfect is my main word processor on my primary computer and I 
would welcome, if at all possible, to use it  with Linux as well.
Is there any reason why the program cannot be installed on a machine running 
Debian squeeze?
  My interest is in logistics, as I realize the software may be better suited 
for networks, not individual computers.
Thanks,
Karen



There was once (around 1995?) a WordPerfect version for Linux. It worked, but 
it had terrible fonts. It has not been possible to install
that for at least the past 4 years, and probably longer, as the dependencies 
can no longer be met. I have WordPerfect12 working on the
latest PCLinuxOS KDE, but not the spread sheet. It doesn't look real nice on 
the screen, and it comes up with some difficulty, but it is
usable, if you are stubborn. I also have Corel Draw 9 and the corresponding 
PhotoPaint working. Both of WP and draw are running in WINE.

--doug


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Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?

2014-12-16 Thread Karen Lewellen


YOu know?
I need to check this edition then, because it is far more current than 
1995 I  am sure.

Kare


On Tue, 16 Dec 2014, Doug wrote:


On 12/16/2014 10:44 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

 Greetings everyone,
 I have a still in the package copy of wordperfect 5.1 for UNIX.  I got
 this because wordperfect is my main word processor on my primary computer
 and I would welcome, if at all possible, to use it  with Linux as well.
 Is there any reason why the program cannot be installed on a machine
 running Debian squeeze?
   My interest is in logistics, as I realize the software may be better
 suited for networks, not individual computers.
 Thanks,
 Karen


There was once (around 1995?) a WordPerfect version for Linux. It worked, but 
it had terrible fonts. It has not been possible to install
that for at least the past 4 years, and probably longer, as the dependencies 
can no longer be met. I have WordPerfect12 working on the
latest PCLinuxOS KDE, but not the spread sheet. It doesn't look real nice on 
the screen, and it comes up with some difficulty, but it is
usable, if you are stubborn. I also have Corel Draw 9 and the corresponding 
PhotoPaint working. Both of WP and draw are running in WINE.


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Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian? (more)

2014-12-16 Thread Doug


On 12/16/2014 10:57 PM, Doug wrote:

On 12/16/2014 10:44 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

Greetings everyone,
I have a still in the package copy of wordperfect 5.1 for UNIX.  I got this 
because wordperfect is my main word processor on my primary computer and I 
would welcome, if at all possible, to use it  with Linux as well.
Is there any reason why the program cannot be installed on a machine running 
Debian squeeze?
  My interest is in logistics, as I realize the software may be better suited 
for networks, not individual computers.
Thanks,
Karen



There was once (around 1995?) a WordPerfect version for Linux. It worked, but 
it had terrible fonts. It has not been possible to install
that for at least the past 4 years, and probably longer, as the dependencies 
can no longer be met. I have WordPerfect12 working on the
latest PCLinuxOS KDE, but not the spread sheet. It doesn't look real nice on 
the screen, and it comes up with some difficulty, but it is
usable, if you are stubborn. I also have Corel Draw 9 and the corresponding 
PhotoPaint working. Both of WP and draw are running in WINE.

--doug



Just a little follow-up to the last post. I don't like OpenOffice or 
LibreOffice because I don't like the strait-jacket they
put you in. When I was using Windows regularly, I used WordPerfect also. In 
Linux I now use the suite from Softmaker Office:
TestMaker, PlanMaker, and SoftmakerPresentations. There is a free version and a 
pay version--the free version is not licensed for
commercial use, but it seems to have just about all the features of the pay 
version--I have both, having bought the pay version
before they released the freebie. The package comes from a German company, and 
they are very good about answering questions,
making updates available, etc. (Of course, I _do_ have the paid version; I 
don't know if this sort of service is available with
the free one.) I can really only speak to the word processor, which is what I 
use it for. I have printed out a small spread-sheet
which comes to me with a simple schedule every couple of months, and it prints 
that fine. I have never even opened Presentations.
URL: www.softmaker.com

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Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?

2014-12-16 Thread Thom



On 12/16/2014 08:57 PM, Doug wrote:
 On 12/16/2014 10:44 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
 Greetings everyone,
 I have a still in the package copy of wordperfect 5.1 for UNIX.  I got
 this because wordperfect is my main word processor on my primary
 computer and I would welcome, if at all possible, to use it  with
 Linux as well.
 Is there any reason why the program cannot be installed on a machine
 running Debian squeeze?
   My interest is in logistics, as I realize the software may be better
 suited for networks, not individual computers.
 Thanks,
 Karen


 There was once (around 1995?) a WordPerfect version for Linux. It
 worked, but it had terrible fonts. It has not been possible to install
 that for at least the past 4 years, and probably longer, as the
 dependencies can no longer be met. I have WordPerfect12 working on the
 latest PCLinuxOS KDE, but not the spread sheet. It doesn't look real
 nice on the screen, and it comes up with some difficulty, but it is
 usable, if you are stubborn. I also have Corel Draw 9 and the
 corresponding PhotoPaint working. Both of WP and draw are running in WINE.
 
 --doug
 
 
If I remember correctly, and I may be wrong, the Linux version of
WordPerfect was the Windows version packaged with WINE. Maybe it's
possible to look over the contents of the package copy you have and run
the wordperfect executables on a recent version of WINE.

My experience with that version years ago is the same as Doug's, it
worked and the fonts were ugly.

-Thom


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Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?

2014-12-16 Thread Doug


On 12/16/2014 11:34 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

YOu know?
I need to check this edition then, because it is far more current than 1995 I  
am sure.
Kare



Ok, I was guessing 1995, it was later. I found my copy of Corel WordPerfect 8 
for Linux, Personal Edition. The disk is copyright 1998.
If you have a version for Unix, it might never have run on Linux at all. If you 
have some kind of Unix, you could always try it and see
what happens. There are various BCD versions around, which will supposedly run 
on a PC. I installed PCBCD, but I couldn't get it to boot
on a multi-boot system, and I don't have a spare PC to try it on. In spite of the fact 
that I never throw anything out, I can't find
the copy of Solaris I was going to offer you. It came from about 2000. If you 
know what kind of Unix the WP was made for, and what year,
I bet you can find a Unix that will run it, on eBay, or Amazon. Most Unixes 
were not free, however. Maybe the obsolescent ones are at
least reasonable! And, of course, most Unixes did not run on PCs, but some 
did--the Solaris I had would. If by chance I find it, I'll
let you know.

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Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?

2014-12-16 Thread Rusi Mody

On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 11:00:03 AM UTC+5:30, Doug wrote:
 On 12/16/2014 11:34 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
  YOu know?
  I need to check this edition then, because it is far more current than 1995 
  I  am sure.
  Kare
 
 
 Ok, I was guessing 1995, it was later. I found my copy of Corel WordPerfect 8 
 for Linux, Personal Edition. The disk is copyright 1998.
 If you have a version for Unix, it might never have run on Linux at all. If 
 you have some kind of Unix, you could always try it and see
 what happens. There are various BCD versions around, which will supposedly 
 run on a PC. I installed PCBCD, but I couldn't get it to boot
 on a multi-boot system, and I don't have a spare PC to try it on. In spite of 
 the fact that I never throw anything out, I can't find
 the copy of Solaris I was going to offer you. It came from about 2000. If you 
 know what kind of Unix the WP was made for, and what year,
 I bet you can find a Unix that will run it, on eBay, or Amazon. Most Unixes 
 were not free, however. Maybe the obsolescent ones are at
 least reasonable! And, of course, most Unixes did not run on PCs, but some 
 did--the Solaris I had would. If by chance I find it, I'll
 let you know.
 
 --doug

At least some versions seem to run on crossover
https://www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/search?name=Wordperfectsearch=app

So maybe wine as well


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Re: command line wordperfect

2007-11-25 Thread Marc Shapiro


Ron Johnson wrote:

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Dont' forget its best feature (the one that has never been used anywhere
else, but should be)...

Drum roll, please...

View Codes



Balderdash.  WordStar had show codes from the beginning.
  
I'll take your word for that and accept it as given.  I think I only 
used WordStar once, or twice, so it could well have had the feature 
without my knowledge of it.


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Re: command line wordperfect

2007-11-25 Thread Carl Fink

On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 07:17:29PM -0800, Marc Shapiro wrote:

 I'll take your word for that and accept it as given.  I think I only 
 used WordStar once, or twice, so it could well have had the feature 
 without my knowledge of it.

I still use a partial WordStar clone (jstar) as my text editor.

I learned WS on a CP/M machine just before the IBM PC took over the market.
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Re: command line wordperfect

2007-11-25 Thread Ron Johnson

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On 11/25/07 21:17, Marc Shapiro wrote:
 Ron Johnson wrote:

 On 11/23/07 23:54, Marc Shapiro wrote:
 [snip]
  
 Dont' forget its best feature (the one that has never been used anywhere
 else, but should be)...

 Drum roll, please...

 View Codes
 

 Balderdash.  WordStar had show codes from the beginning.
   
 I'll take your word for that and accept it as given.  I think I only
 used WordStar once, or twice, so it could well have had the feature
 without my knowledge of it.

You wouldn't find it if you searched for it, though.

Because many terminals back in the late 1970s were *very* dumb
(couldn't even display bold/underline/blinking), the relevant
control codes would be embedded directly into the document.

IOW, Show Codes was on all the time, and you couldn't turn it off.
Maybe WS 4.0 fixed that, but I don't remember.

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Re: command line wordperfect

2007-11-24 Thread Andrei Popescu

On Fri, Nov 23, 2007 at 09:54:38PM -0800, Marc Shapiro wrote:
   
 Dont' forget its best feature (the one that has never been used anywhere 
 else, but should be)...

 Drum roll, please...

 View Codes

 I really liked the ability to see exactly what formatting codes were in the 
 file, and where they were placed.  It made finding out why the formatting 
 was not as expected so much easier.  I wish OOo would implement the 
 feature.

You could have a look at the raw xml if you use .odt

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Re: command line wordperfect

2007-11-24 Thread Ron Johnson

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On 11/23/07 23:54, Marc Shapiro wrote:
[snip]
 Dont' forget its best feature (the one that has never been used anywhere
 else, but should be)...
 
 Drum roll, please...
 
 View Codes

Balderdash.  WordStar had show codes from the beginning.

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Re: command line wordperfect

2007-11-24 Thread Douglas A. Tutty

On Sat, Nov 24, 2007 at 07:24:52AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
 On 11/23/07 23:54, Marc Shapiro wrote:
 [snip]
  Dont' forget its best feature (the one that has never been used anywhere
  else, but should be)...
  
  Drum roll, please...
  
  View Codes
 
 Balderdash.  WordStar had show codes from the beginning.

You could probably write vim scripts to input the correct LaTex commands
when the WP-appropriate function key was pressed.  

Doug.


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Re: command line wordperfect

2007-11-24 Thread Ralph Katz

On 11/24/2007 12:40 AM, Mark Grieveson wrote:

 Ah, good ol' WP5.0, and then the great WP5.1.  M, it was so fast,
 and could do spell check, underline, bold (5.1 even had italics),
 and vast mail merges!  It just automatically returned, without having
 to manually initiate the carriage return at the sound of the bell.  It
 was a typewriter with intelligence.  Truly phenomenal. 
 
 Shift-F7 to centre, F7 to exit, F4 to indent, F10 to list files.  WP
 came with its own file manager.  And menu for the DOS system.  And it
 had all the drivers to all the printers.  Happy times  happy
 times.  my sturdy old 286, back when computers were made of metal,
 and not plastic. yup, happy times

Happy times??!!  Nah...  Mark, you forget about no wysiwyg.

I still have my old metal 286 (ATT) with dos 6.whatever, but the kids
probably deleted wp 5.1 long ago.  Oh, wait... I have the box of 5 1/4
in. floppy install diskettes, what luck! :-P

Regards,
Ralph
(with Etch on this trusty 1999 Dell P-III, also metal case.  Ah...
/these/ are happy times!)


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Re: command line wordperfect

2007-11-24 Thread David Fox

On 11/23/07, Mark Grieveson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Ah, good ol' WP5.0, and then the great WP5.1.  M, it was so fast,
 and could do spell check, underline, bold (5.1 even had italics),
 and vast mail merges!  It just automatically returned, without having
 to manually initiate the carriage return at the sound of the bell.  It
 was a typewriter with intelligence.  Truly phenomenal.


Naaa, these days, you need lightbulbs to go off and automated
3d-rendered animations of typewriter keys hitting the platen in order
to get any work done.

:)


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Re: command line wordperfect

2007-11-23 Thread Ron Johnson

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On 11/23/07 17:59, s. keeling wrote:
 Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  On 11/23/07 14:37, Jude DaShiell wrote:
 I don't think such can be installed on debian.  Probably not on freebsd
 either, so I'm curious have any of the emacs experts ever put together a
 key bindings package for emacs that can make a wordperfect user feel
 right at home?  The internet service provider runs freebsd and a couple
 other subscribers on another email list would like to get a wp-like
 environment up and available on shellworld.net.
  You mean the old DOS WP?
 
 On etch I see:
 
 v   libwpd-dev -
 p   libwpd-stream8c2a  - Library for handling WordPerfect documents (sha
 p   libwpd-tools   - Tools from libwpd for converting WordPerfect to
 p   libwpd8-dev- Library for handling WordPerfect documents (dev
 p   libwpd8-doc- Library for handling WordPerfect documents (doc
 i A libwpd8c2a - Library for handling WordPerfect documents (sha
 p   wp2x   - WordPerfect 5.x documents to whatever converter
 p   wpd2sxw- WordPerfect to OpenOffice.org converter
 
 Make of that what you will.  If perl/python can interface with those
 libraries, you're off to the races.

Or install FreeDOS and DOS WordPerfect...

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Re: command line wordperfect

2007-11-23 Thread s. keeling

Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  On 11/23/07 14:37, Jude DaShiell wrote:
  I don't think such can be installed on debian.  Probably not on freebsd
  either, so I'm curious have any of the emacs experts ever put together a
  key bindings package for emacs that can make a wordperfect user feel
  right at home?  The internet service provider runs freebsd and a couple
  other subscribers on another email list would like to get a wp-like
  environment up and available on shellworld.net.
 
  You mean the old DOS WP?

On etch I see:

v   libwpd-dev -
p   libwpd-stream8c2a  - Library for handling WordPerfect documents (sha
p   libwpd-tools   - Tools from libwpd for converting WordPerfect to
p   libwpd8-dev- Library for handling WordPerfect documents (dev
p   libwpd8-doc- Library for handling WordPerfect documents (doc
i A libwpd8c2a - Library for handling WordPerfect documents (sha
p   wp2x   - WordPerfect 5.x documents to whatever converter
p   wpd2sxw- WordPerfect to OpenOffice.org converter

Make of that what you will.  If perl/python can interface with those
libraries, you're off to the races.


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Re: command line wordperfect

2007-11-23 Thread Ron Johnson

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On 11/23/07 14:37, Jude DaShiell wrote:
 I don't think such can be installed on debian.  Probably not on freebsd
 either, so I'm curious have any of the emacs experts ever put together a
 key bindings package for emacs that can make a wordperfect user feel
 right at home?  The internet service provider runs freebsd and a couple
 other subscribers on another email list would like to get a wp-like
 environment up and available on shellworld.net.

You mean the old DOS WP?

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command line wordperfect

2007-11-23 Thread Jude DaShiell

I don't think such can be installed on debian.  Probably not on freebsd 
either, so I'm curious have any of the emacs experts ever put together a 
key bindings package for emacs that can make a wordperfect user feel right 
at home?  The internet service provider runs freebsd and a couple other 
subscribers on another email list would like to get a wp-like environment 
up and available on shellworld.net.




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Re: command line wordperfect

2007-11-23 Thread Mark Grieveson

On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 00:35:10 + (UTC)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
   On 11/23/07 14:37, Jude DaShiell wrote:  
   I don't think such can be installed on debian.  Probably not on
   freebsd either, so I'm curious have any of the emacs experts ever
   put together a key bindings package for emacs that can make a
   wordperfect user feel right at home?  The internet service
   provider runs freebsd and a couple other subscribers on another
   email list would like to get a wp-like environment up and
   available on shellworld.net.  
  
   You mean the old DOS WP?  

Ah, good ol' WP5.0, and then the great WP5.1.  M, it was so fast,
and could do spell check, underline, bold (5.1 even had italics),
and vast mail merges!  It just automatically returned, without having
to manually initiate the carriage return at the sound of the bell.  It
was a typewriter with intelligence.  Truly phenomenal. 

Shift-F7 to centre, F7 to exit, F4 to indent, F10 to list files.  WP
came with its own file manager.  And menu for the DOS system.  And it
had all the drivers to all the printers.  Happy times  happy
times.  my sturdy old 286, back when computers were made of metal,
and not plastic. yup, happy times

Mark


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Re: command line wordperfect

2007-11-23 Thread Marc Shapiro


Mark Grieveson wrote:

On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 00:35:10 + (UTC)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  

Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 On 11/23/07 14:37, Jude DaShiell wrote:  
  

I don't think such can be installed on debian.  Probably not on
freebsd either, so I'm curious have any of the emacs experts ever
put together a key bindings package for emacs that can make a
wordperfect user feel right at home?  The internet service
provider runs freebsd and a couple other subscribers on another
email list would like to get a wp-like environment up and
available on shellworld.net.  

 You mean the old DOS WP?  
  


Ah, good ol' WP5.0, and then the great WP5.1.  M, it was so fast,
and could do spell check, underline, bold (5.1 even had italics),
and vast mail merges!  It just automatically returned, without having
to manually initiate the carriage return at the sound of the bell.  It
was a typewriter with intelligence.  Truly phenomenal. 


Shift-F7 to centre, F7 to exit, F4 to indent, F10 to list files.  WP
came with its own file manager.  And menu for the DOS system.  And it
had all the drivers to all the printers.  Happy times  happy
times.  my sturdy old 286, back when computers were made of metal,
and not plastic. yup, happy times
  
Dont' forget its best feature (the one that has never been used anywhere 
else, but should be)...


Drum roll, please...

View Codes

I really liked the ability to see exactly what formatting codes were in 
the file, and where they were placed.  It made finding out why the 
formatting was not as expected so much easier.  I wish OOo would 
implement the feature.


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Re: WordPerfect 8.0 (Installation)

2006-02-10 Thread steef


Ken Heard wrote:

.
well ken,


have a good time out there.
happens to be good for relationships.

good luck,

steef


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Re: WordPerfect 8.0 (Installation)

2006-02-09 Thread Ken Heard

Inspired by the comments and suggestions made by several people on the 
list, and by Rick Moen's article WordPerfect on Linux FAQ 
(http://linuxmafia.com/wpfaq/), I was able to install the version of WP8 
 I had inquired in 2000.  Essentially what I did was to use the Debian 
equivs package to create a virtual xlib6g package which doesn't install 
anything.  Its only purpose is to convince the WP8 version I have 
(8.0-78) that xlib6g is installed. All the files formerly installed by 
the xlib6g package are now installed by xlibs and its dependencies.


My new vitrual package had to have a version number higher than xlib6g 
version 4.0, which was the one replaced by the xlibs package, so that 
aptitude would not remove xlibs and all 234 packages which depend on it. 
 I made my virtual xlibs6g version 5.0.0KH1


Rick Moen's article included four registration keys for WP8, one of 
which unlocked the version I had.


Installation however is only half the battle.  There are significant 
changes to the DOS and Windows versions of WordPerfect I am used to; and 
so far I have not had the time to master WP8 for Linux.


Since installation I was able to acquire another version of WP8.0 for 
Linux, making four now that I know about.  This version has features not 
available on the one I installed.  I have not yet had time to examine 
this version.


In view of all the foregoing, I would like to write an article and post 
it somewhere by way of follow-up to articles by Rick Moen and Patrick 
Wiseman (http://ul451.gsu.edu/~pwiseman/WP8_and_Debian_GNU_Linux.html). 
 Essentially it should describe how to install on Sarge the various 
versions of the Linux WP8.0.


It will be a while however before I can resume work on this project, as 
 I need to do more experimentation.  In the meantime my spouse is 
forcing me to take a 50 day holiday in Southeast Asia, starting Monday next.

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Museum Studies Program
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Re: WordPerfect 8.0 (installation)

2005-12-17 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater

On Fri, Dec 16, 2005 at 03:53:58AM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
 Ken Heard wrote:
 Herewith is the latest update on my attempts to install WordPerfect 
 8.0 on my Debian 'sarge' GNU/linux distribution.
 
 snip
 
Debian _is_ about choice. Corel isn't - they tied their product to one
specific distribution version - theirs - and one specific set of
libraries. Corel sold their Linux to Xandros (also Debian based) but
didn't sell on WP8. Corel's involvement with Microsoft may have had
some bearing on their decision to cease Linux development.

WP8 is closed source - so we, as a community, can't fix it and it's not
on Corel's agenda to fix it or open source it. Unless/until we can
find a benevolent millionaire to buy it from Corel for us - we're stuck.

OpenOffice version 2.0 [now in Unstable and, possibly Testing] has
support for reading in WP8 but not for originating WP documents.

People with WP documents are in the same position as those with large
WordStar legacy :(  WP 5.1 will run in dosemu, though.
 
 There is now another possible option: WINE.  Now that a beta version 
 of WINE is out, I may be able to install WP 12 using it.
 
 Good luck. Let us know about that one.
 But my experience with Wine are bad hangovers ;-)
 H
 
Be prepared for it not to work :(
 
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Re: WordPerfect 8.0 (installation)

2005-12-16 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom


Ken Heard wrote:
Herewith is the latest update on my attempts to install WordPerfect 
8.0 on my Debian 'sarge' GNU/linux distribution.


snip



There is now another possible option: WINE.  Now that a beta version 
of WINE is out, I may be able to install WP 12 using it.


Good luck. Let us know about that one.
But my experience with Wine are bad hangovers ;-)
H


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Re: WordPerfect 8.0 (installation)

2005-12-16 Thread Almut Behrens

On Thu, Dec 15, 2005 at 06:04:59PM -0500, Ken Heard wrote:
   So it would appear that packages xlibs and xlibs-data supercede 
   xlib6g. In fact, the properties list of xlibs_4.3.0dfsg.1-14sarge1 says 
 that it replaces xlib6g( 4.0). The xlib6g I was trying to install was
 3.3.5-1.0.1  I can find nowhere a version of xlib6g = 4.0.  In any
 event it would be redundant as I already  xlibs and xlibs-data in my
 box. It was consequently unnecessary to do what Mr. Behrens suggested.

(Ms. ..., btw :)

As to your problem: from your first post I seem to remember that the
missing xlib6g essentially was the only problem you had with installing
wp8, so I assume the other required parts would install properly(?)

IOW, now that you've figured out you might not need that package after
all... I'm wondering whether you have tried to install what's available
and isn't conflicting  -- using options like --ignore-depends, etc.; or
by extracting the packages' contents into some temporary directory
(using -X), and then manually moving the required parts to their final
location...).  Maybe, WP would work after that...  Sorry, I can't be
more specific, because I don't really have an idea what's on your CD.

 
   Next, I discovered that the version of xlib6 on the Corellinux CDROM 
 which I was trying to use was not the same as the one Mr. Wiseman was 
 using.  The one I had was 3.3.5-1.0.1; Mr. Wiseman's was 3.3.6-44.  I 
 downloaded that version from Mr. Wiseman's website.  When I tried to 
 install it I got the following response:
 
 SOL:~# dpkg -i xlib6_3.3.6-44_i386.deb
 (Reading database ... 87476 files and directories currently installed.)
 Unpacking xlib6 (from xlib6_3.3.6-44_i386.deb) ...
 dpkg: error processing xlib6_3.3.6-44_i386.deb (--install):
  corrupted filesystem tarfile - corrupted package archive: Success
 dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
 Errors were encountered while processing:
  xlib6_3.3.6-44_i386.deb

This usually means the package got damaged somehow (while downloading,
or so), so the contents simply cannot be unpacked (not sure though, why
dpkg considers the corrupted archive a success ;)

 
 (...)
   It is very much of a disappointment that I cannot seem to be able to 
 use WP8.0  It makes the claim that Debian is about choice sound hollow.
 
   There is now another possible option: WINE.  Now that a beta version 
   of WINE is out, I may be able to install WP 12 using it.

That would probably be the best option, if you get it to work -- at
least you'd then have a recent version of WP.  My personal experiences
with WINE have always been somewhat disappointing, though... however,
my last try was more than a year ago.  The typical scenario was that
99.9% worked fine, but the remaining 0.1% were rather annoying,
usability-wise...

Well, if all else fails, and you don't feel like giving up yet, you
could try to install the whole stuff into some chroot environment.
That would avoid any conflicts with whatever else is installed, and
should basically always work (with a few restrictions, as mentioned
below).

Actually, I had done exactly this way back in 2001, and it worked fine.
The only problem I had was that I somehow didn't get printing to work
directly to the printer (don't remember exactly what the problem was),
so I simply printed to file using some builtin PS driver, and then
spooled the PS file using lpr from outside of the chroot (not a big
issue, for my taste.).  (Later, I stopped using WP altogether, because
I somehow do prefer batch formatting tools like latex, and generally
no longer have much document composition to do...)

In theory, I could send you a slightly re-packaged tarball of that
entire wp8 chroot directory, in case you're interested [1].
I just unpacked and ran it again -- still seems to work... the 'about'
box says it's version 8.0.0078.

The only problem is that it now seems to want a license number (which I
of course no longer have -- actually, I don't remember ever having had
to enter one, but my memories may have faded). IOW, it claims it will
quit working after a trial period of 90 days...  But well, maybe there
is a license number on your CD or book cover.

Another option would be that you somehow make the contents of your CD
available to me for download, and I'll try to setup a chroot install
from the very WP version that you have.  In principle, you could of
course do that yourself as well.  However, in case you don't have much
experience setting up chroot environments, I'd rather offer to simply
do it myself (instead of describing the steps, and elaborating on all
potential difficulties you might encounter -- sorry for the laziness).

Anyhow, before you say yes! (or no), please note that

* you'd have to start WP via sudo (because of the chroot -- WP itself
will be run under your regular UID).  This probably isn't a big issue,
if you simply want to use it on your private box.

* all documents will always have to be placed

Re: WordPerfect 8.0 (installation)

2005-12-15 Thread Ken Heard

	Herewith is the latest update on my attempts to install WordPerfect 8.0 
on my Debian 'sarge' GNU/linux distribution.


	First, I discovered that in my original post of 17 November 2005, I 
gave the wrong paths for the files which would be installed by xlib6g. I 
only discovered my mistake when I tried to do what Mr. Behrens

suggested in his post of 20 November 2005:


Use dpkg-deb --fsys-tarfile xlib6g.deb to dump the contents of the
package in tar format, on stdout.  That way you can use any facilities
tar provides, e.g. to only extract specific subdirectories, etc.

The contents section of debian packages is typically packaged
_relative_ to the root directory, so the following commands (run as
root) should install just the two subdirectories you mentioned above:

$ cd /
$ dpkg-deb --fsys-tarfile /path/to/xlib6g.deb | tar xv 
./usr/X11R6/include/X11/xkb/ ./usr/X11R6/include/X11/locale/

(simply modify as required -- in case of doubt, use tar tv to check
what would be unpacked)

	I then ran dpkg -S and found out that all the files in package xlib6g 
are now part of package xlibs-data, except those in directory

/etc/X11/xkb, linked from /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb. The xkb files are now
in package xlibs.

	So it would appear that packages xlibs and xlibs-data supercede xlib6g. 
In fact, the properties list of xlibs_4.3.0dfsg.1-14sarge1 says that it 
replaces xlib6g( 4.0). The xlib6g I was trying to install was

3.3.5-1.0.1  I can find nowhere a version of xlib6g = 4.0.  In any
event it would be redundant as I already  xlibs and xlibs-data in my
box. It was consequently unnecessary to do what Mr. Behrens suggested.

	Next, I discovered that the version of xlib6 on the Corellinux CDROM 
which I was trying to use was not the same as the one Mr. Wiseman was 
using.  The one I had was 3.3.5-1.0.1; Mr. Wiseman's was 3.3.6-44.  I 
downloaded that version from Mr. Wiseman's website.  When I tried to 
install it I got the following response:


SOL:~# dpkg -i xlib6_3.3.6-44_i386.deb
(Reading database ... 87476 files and directories currently installed.)
Unpacking xlib6 (from xlib6_3.3.6-44_i386.deb) ...
dpkg: error processing xlib6_3.3.6-44_i386.deb (--install):
 corrupted filesystem tarfile - corrupted package archive: Success
dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
Errors were encountered while processing:
 xlib6_3.3.6-44_i386.deb

	I think I am right in assuming that Broken pipe does not refer to an 
oil spill.


	Further comparison of the two xlib6 versions reveals that the earlier 
one depends on xlib6g (=3.3.2.3a-8) and libc5 (=5.4.0-0); whereas the 
later one depends on xlibs ( 4.0) and libc5 (=5.4.46).  It also 
conflicts with libc5 ( 5.4.46-8)  [By the way, is any special meaning 
attached to double pointers as opposed to single ones, e.g.,  and ?]


	I have installed in my sarge box xlibs 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge1 and libc5 
5.4.46-15; so as far as I can see there is no impediment to installing 
xlibs 3.3.6-44.  However, there must be one, because the package manager 
will not let me install it.


	However, whether the package manager will let me install my version of 
WordPerfect 8.0 is another matter.  My version is 8.0-78, which was 
shipped with a book intitled Corel Linux OS Starter Kit: The Official 
Guide, published by Osborne.  I purchased it on 24 October 2000.  I 
tried to install Corel Linux but could not; I later discovered that it 
was considered to be unreliable.  So I never got WP 8.0 for Linux working.


	Mr. Wiseman, in your post of 19 November last, you mentioned that you 
purchased the Corel Personal version of WP 8.0; and in your post of the 
previous day you say that you are running it on a current testing 
system.  It that system etch?


	My version of WP 8.0 (8.0-78) depends on xlib6g; but yours apparently 
depends on lib6, libc5 and xpm4.7.  I now have two more questions. 
First, what version of WP 8.0 do you have?  Second, while I can 
understand why I would not get my version of WP 8.0 to load because of 
the conflicts between xlib6g and later packages, why could I not get 
xlib6 to run on sarge, when you were able to get it to run on etch?


	By the way xlib6 does not seem to appear any longer on any current 
Debian archive. At least I could not find it on my mirror site.


	It is very much of a disappointment that I cannot seem to be able to 
use WP8.0  It makes the claim that Debian is about choice sound hollow.


	There is now another possible option: WINE.  Now that a beta version of 
WINE is out, I may be able to install WP 12 using it.


Regards,
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technology and transport




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Re: WordPerfect 8.0 (installation)

2005-12-15 Thread hendrik

On Thu, Dec 15, 2005 at 06:04:59PM -0500, Ken Heard wrote:
   Herewith is the latest update on my attempts to install WordPerfect 
   8.0 on my Debian 'sarge' GNU/linux distribution.
... 
   It is very much of a disappointment that I cannot seem to be able to 
 use WP8.0  It makes the claim that Debian is about choice sound hollow.
 
   There is now another possible option: WINE.  Now that a beta version 
   of WINE is out, I may be able to install WP 12 using it.

I'd be very interested in finding out whether and how you get that
to work.

-- hendrik


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RE: WordPerfect 8.0

2005-11-24 Thread arlen

Someone who still uses WP8--yeah!!!  Join the club...my install of WP8 still
runs rings around OO.  I've actually found OO to be crashable (often) on my
system, but it may have something to do with some of my own tweaks.

Anyway, I use WP8 for all my serious documents...never did get fileconversion
working properly though, although I did download the available patch and
neglected to install it...will get around that when I'm tired of using OO for
the dreaded MSOffice compatibility issue.

Since leaving the main-stream Debian on my system a couple years ago, I jumped
on the Libranet bandwagon (sorry I'm mentioning this on the main Debian list). 
With 2.7, 2.8, 2.8.1 they had an install option to make WP8 work.  I assume the
same is for 3.0, which I have yet to install.  Mind you the future of Libranet
is up in the air right now.  Nevertheless the files you are looking for should
be on Liranet's FTP sites.

At the same time I would like to go on to try Ubuntu (also Debian based) and
will have to see if I run into the WP8 operational issues when I get to that. 

Arlen Carlson
(cooincidentally also from Toronto, ON)
 
On 17-Nov-2005 Ken Heard wrote:
   Those of you who go back to before the earth's crust hardened, may 
 remember Corel WordPrefect 8.0 (and 8.1).  WP 8.0 was released by Corel 
 about 2000.  It (and 8.1) were the only versions of WP which were native 
 to Linux.  (WP 10 was ported from Windows to Linux through Corel's own 
 vintage of wine.)
 
   I am a Word Perfect diehard.  Consequently, in 2000, as part of my 
 conversion to Linux, I acquired Corel WordPerfect 8.0.  However, am only 
 now trying to defenistrate myself and take up Linux by means of Debian 
 Sarge.
 
   I have the Corel CDROM which has on it the WP 8.0. .deb package. There 
 is however a dependency problem on which I would like some advice.
 
   The WP 8.0 package depends on only two other packages, libc5 and 
 xlib6g.  The former is still available from the Debian archive; so I was 
 able to install it and its dependency ldso.
 
   The other dependency, xlib6g, is the problem.  This one was created by 
 Corel, and as far as I know it in now only available on the same CDROM 
 which has WP 8.0.  I was able to add it to my sources.lst by running 
 apt-cdrom.  I then ran a test install using aptitude.
 
   Aptitude listed the six packages it would conflict with, none of which 
 I have or need.  It also listed two dependencies, both of which I had 
 already installed for other packages.  However, when I ran a test 
 installation with aptitude, it wanted to remove 175 other packages, 
 including most of the KDE packages.
 
   Debian being Debian, surely there is a way to install xlib6g without 
 having to remove all 175 of those other packages.  As the name is 
 unique, and no other package besides the WP 8.0 one depends on it, 
 presumably its presence will not affect adversely any of those others.
 
   This package, xlib6g, contains many small files which it would install 
 in subfolders in the /usr/X11R6/include/X11/ folder.  Most of these 
 files would be put into two subfolders which do not now exist in my box, 
 /xkb/ and /locale/.
 
   The others would be put in the /bitmaps/ folder.  Many but not all of 
 the files to be put there have the same names and sizes as files already 
 there.  Since these are bitmap files, surely the files already there 
 could be safely overwritten -- unless there is a way to prevent 
 overwriting on installation of xlib6g.
 
   I short, can I install xlib6g in such a way that it does not remove 175 
 other packages I need and use?  If so, how do I do it?
 
   Regards,
 -- 
   Ken Heard
   Toronto, Canada
   Museologist, specializing in
   technology and transport
   
 
 
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Re: WordPerfect 8.0 considered harmful

2005-11-20 Thread James Vahn

Marc Shapiro wrote:
 Caldera purchased some of the assets of SCO, including the SCO name.

Novell, SuSE, TrollTech (KDE's Qt), SCO, Caldera.
They (and more) are all tied together though the Canopy Group.
I wouldn't be suprised to see Corel as another one.

 SCO then renamed itself Tarantella.
 Caldera renamed itself The SCO Group
 
. and then bought back several Tarantella assets.
 
 The SCO Group has been trying to sue everyone.

The Canopy Group pulls their strings. Ray Noorda left Novell to form
Caldera. He also founded the Canopy Group. Ray is an old man with
vultures circling over his money.


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Re: WordPerfect 8.0 considered harmful

2005-11-20 Thread John Hasler

James Vahn writes:
 Novell, SuSE, TrollTech (KDE's Qt), SCO, Caldera.  They (and more) are
 all tied together though the Canopy Group.

Canopy has never had any influence over Novell.  Canopy once had a small
interest in Troll Tech.  They sold it quite a while ago.  Canopy fired
Yarro and severed all connection with The SCO Group (previously known as
Caldera) last year.

 The Canopy Group pulls their strings.

Noorda discovered that Yarro (who was then running Canopy) was trying to
swindle him and fired him.  There was a lawsuit, and Yarro ended up with
Canopy's SCO Group stock.  There is now no connection between Canopy and
The SCO Group.  This is all documented at Groklaw.

There is not and never has been any connection between The SCO Group and
Corel.
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Re: WordPerfect 8.0

* Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005 Nov 18 23:37 -0600]:
 On Fri, 2005-11-18 at 18:49 -0600, Nate Bargmann wrote:
  * Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005 Nov 18 13:24 -0600]:
   On Fri, Nov 18, 2005 at 09:02:47AM -0800, Marc Shapiro wrote:
   
I won't give you any arguments.  If it is the software that you like 
and 
not a need for the format, then that is your choice and your right. 
That's what linux is all about -- choice!  I will also admit that the 
reveal codes option was the greatest idea since the wheel.  I used it 
in 
WP 5.1 a LOT, not as much in WP8, though.  I wish that other word 
processors would start using it, too.  It seems like such an easy 
thing, 
I don't know why others have not picked it up.
   
   I believe it was discussed on this very list years ago for OOo.  Answer:
   they disapprove of it. 
  
  In a way, that's too bad.  Getting under the hood is always a useful
  feature.  WYSIWYG is fine until what you're looking at disappears at a
  keystroke and winds up a page down or something.  Editing the codes in
  WP was often the best way to get the layout just right, especially in
  WP 5.1.
  
   Really: the OOo developers don't want people to think in terms of
   formatting, but in terms of styles.  So codes shouldn't matter to us.
  
  That sounds very much like SGML philosophy and this is precisely why a
  reveal codes functionality would be so useful in OOo which is
  essentially now an XML editor so one could work at the abstract style
  level instead of layout/formatiing (maybe I need to spend more time
  with OOo Writer as it probably already does this).  I don't do much
  heavy document editing these days so I'm not going to lose any sleep
  over it.  ;-) 
 
 If you want Reveal Codes, you could always edit the XML in Vim...

Ugggh!  I'll use FTE instead.  ;-)

- Nate 

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Re: WordPerfect 8.0

2005-11-19 Thread Almut Behrens

On Sat, Nov 19, 2005 at 07:58:00AM -0600, Nate Bargmann wrote:
  If you want Reveal Codes, you could always edit the XML in Vim...
 
 Ugggh!  I'll use FTE instead.  ;-)

Heh! another fte user -- unbelievable :)

(That's my secret love, too, but so far I got the impression I'm the
only one in this whole world using it.  Unfortunately, if you often
have to work on other people's machines, you'll hardly ever find it
installed -- well, never, actually ;(  On the positive side is, though,
that when the next vim vs. emacs thread comes up (and I have no clear
preference as to those two), I can simply lean back, relax and watch
them argue from the distance ;)

Cheers,
Almut


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Re: WordPerfect 8.0

* Almut Behrens [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005 Nov 19 08:55 -0600]:
 On Sat, Nov 19, 2005 at 07:58:00AM -0600, Nate Bargmann wrote:
   If you want Reveal Codes, you could always edit the XML in Vim...
  
  Ugggh!  I'll use FTE instead.  ;-)
 
 Heh! another fte user -- unbelievable :)
 
 (That's my secret love, too, but so far I got the impression I'm the
 only one in this whole world using it.  Unfortunately, if you often
 have to work on other people's machines, you'll hardly ever find it
 installed -- well, never, actually ;(  On the positive side is, though,
 that when the next vim vs. emacs thread comes up (and I have no clear
 preference as to those two), I can simply lean back, relax and watch
 them argue from the distance ;)

Ohh no!  Get right in there and trumpet FTE.  It leaves them dazed and
confused.  ;-)

I even have Mutt calling FTE as my default mail editor.  I am sooo much
happier composing messages since I did so.

- Nate 

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WordPerfect 8.0

2005-11-19 Thread Ken Heard

	Herewith is my follow-up to the the only two responses elicited by my 
request for help in installing WordPerfect 8.0 which contained 
suggestions as to how to solve my problem -- those from Kent West and 
Patrick Wiseman.


	First, Mr. West suggested I run  dpkg -i xlib6g.deb.  I had already 
tried that command before my original post.  Dpkg would not install it, 
saying that there were conflicting packages.  As related in my original 
post, installation of that package using attitude would remove 175 other 
packages which I am using, including most of the kde packages.


	Mr. Wiseman kindly sent me a URL with his experience in the matter.  He 
said that three packages would be needed: libc5, xlib6 and xpm4.7.


	Package libc5 is already installed in my box, as thirteen other 
packages depend on it.  I found xpm4.7 in stable/oldlibs and installed 
it without difficulty.


	I was curious about the need to install xlib6, because the wpx-free 
package, which is WordPerfect 8.0, depends not on it but on xlib6g. 
However, I discovered that the book with which the Corel Linux CDROM I 
have was shipped -- Corel Linux OS Starter Kit -- says on page 451 that 
WordPerfect 8.0 needs xlib6 -- no mention of xlib6g.  Confusing.


	In any event, I discovered that xlib6 depends on xlib6g; so presumably 
installation of the former will prompt installation of the latter. 
Nevertheless, when I attempted to install xlib6 using attitude, I 
received the following encouraging response:


 export DEBIAN_FRONTEND; apt-get install -s 'xlib6' ;echo RESULT=$?
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.

Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that
the package is simply not installable and a bug report against
that package should be filed.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
  xlib6: Depends: xlib6g (= 3.3.2.3a-8) but it is not going to be 
installed

E: Broken packages
RESULT=100

What do I do now?

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Re: WordPerfect 8.0

2005-11-19 Thread Patrick Wiseman

On 11/19/05, Ken Heard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 I was curious about the need to install xlib6, because the wpx-freepackage, which is WordPerfect 8.0, depends not on it but on xlib6g.However, I discovered that the book with which the Corel Linux CDROM I
have was shipped -- Corel Linux OS Starter Kit -- says on page 451 thatWordPerfect 8.0 needs xlib6 -- no mention of xlib6g.Confusing.In any event, I discovered that xlib6 depends on xlib6g; so presumably
installation of the former will prompt installation of the latter.Nevertheless, when I attempted to install xlib6 using attitude, Ireceived the following encouraging response: export DEBIAN_FRONTEND; apt-get install -s 'xlib6' ;echo RESULT=$?
Reading Package Lists... DoneBuilding Dependency Tree... DoneSome packages could not be installed. This may mean that you haverequested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstabledistribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely thatthe package is simply not installable and a bug report againstthat package should be filed.The following information may help to resolve the situation:
The following packages have unmet dependencies: xlib6: Depends: xlib6g (= 3.3.2.3a-8) but it is not going to beinstalledE: Broken packagesRESULT=100What do I do now?

I suppose it's possible that we have different versions of WP8 - mine's
the commercial Personal Edition which I bought from Corel (in the
naive hope that doing so would encourage them to continue to support
it). In any event, I don't have xlib6g on my system, and the
version of xlib6 I have (3.3.6-44 - available from the URL I provided
earlier) depends on xlib ( 4.0) and libc5 (= 5.4.46), but not
on xlib6g. Whether installing that version of xlib6 will help,
when your WP8 appears to depend on xlib6g, I don't know.

Patrick

WordPerfect 8.0 considered harmful

2005-11-19 Thread Paul Johnson

Ken Heard wrote:

 Herewith is my follow-up to the the only two responses elicited by my
 request for help in installing WordPerfect 8.0 which contained
 suggestions as to how to solve my problem -- those from Kent West and
 Patrick Wiseman.

WordPerfect is considered harmful.  SCO makes WordPerfect, and has proven
itself very anti-Linux.  Don't install WordPerfect, don't use WordPerfect,
return it and DEMAND full refund.

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Re: WordPerfect 8.0 considered harmful

2005-11-19 Thread Rodney D. Myers

On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 15:10:43 -0800
Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Ken Heard wrote:
 
  Herewith is my follow-up to the the only two responses elicited by
  my request for help in installing WordPerfect 8.0 which contained
  suggestions as to how to solve my problem -- those from Kent West
  and Patrick Wiseman.
 
 WordPerfect is considered harmful.  SCO makes WordPerfect, and has
 proven itself very anti-Linux.  Don't install WordPerfect, don't use
 WordPerfect, return it and DEMAND full refund.

I do believe you are mistaken. I always thought it was Corel that made
Word Perfect?

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Re: WordPerfect 8.0 considered harmful

* Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005 Nov 19 17:58 -0600]:
 Ken Heard wrote:
 
  Herewith is my follow-up to the the only two responses elicited by my
  request for help in installing WordPerfect 8.0 which contained
  suggestions as to how to solve my problem -- those from Kent West and
  Patrick Wiseman.
 
 WordPerfect is considered harmful.  SCO makes WordPerfect, and has proven
 itself very anti-Linux.  Don't install WordPerfect, don't use WordPerfect,
 return it and DEMAND full refund.

http://www.corel.com still bills itself as the home of Wordperfect. 

The only knock I could wage against Wordperfect is that it's
proprietary software.  That said, it seems to be one of the few
pacakges that we haven't heard bad things about lately with regards to
spyware, adware, etc.

- Nate 

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Re: WordPerfect 8.0 considered harmful

2005-11-19 Thread Patrick Wiseman

On 11/19/05, Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ken Heard wrote: Herewith is my follow-up to the the only two responses elicited by my request for help in installing WordPerfect 8.0 which contained suggestions as to how to solve my problem -- those from Kent West and
 Patrick Wiseman.WordPerfect is considered harmful.SCO makes WordPerfect, and has provenitself very anti-Linux.Don't install WordPerfect, don't use WordPerfect,return it and DEMAND full refund.

Corel produced a WP6 for the SCO Unix platform years ago. SCO, as
far as I can tell, has never made WP, and it certainly had nothing to
do with WP8. So stop spreading FUD.

Patrick

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