Re: SOLVED Re: adding network printer SOLVED
On Sat 13 Jun 2015 at 13:55:29 -0700, bri...@aracnet.com wrote: On Sat, 13 Jun 2015 20:41:03 +0100 Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: Ah. It's not the driver? It's the scheduler which is misbehaving, In what way? i might have lead you to believe that it was the driver, so my mistake. so can we stop the discussion about the driver. Everyone was waiting to be enlightened. :) But if you insist... i was responding to another post in the thread in which there was a statement about the user having trouble with windows printer drivers. I don't know what windows printer drivers are either. :) Are they similar to Linux ones? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/14062015000132.1a4151e36...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: SOLVED Re: adding network printer SOLVED
On Saturday 13 June 2015 15:41:03 Brian wrote: On Sat 13 Jun 2015 at 11:26:42 -0700, bri...@aracnet.com wrote: On Fri, 12 Jun 2015 10:06:21 +0100 Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday 12 June 2015 05:16:51 bri...@aracnet.com wrote: Windows was no problem at all for the printer i have. Which version of Windows? Or are you saying that your printer has drivers for all versions of Windows? In my experience, you have to throw things away when the version of Windows changes and there is no driver for that version. After you have scoured the Internet. i have both xp and win 7. printer is a dcp-8110dn. my problem under linux is NOT the driver. as i said, brother actually has a cups/driver package for linux - but i found it to be broken and doing weird set-up things. What is this driver you are talking about? Does it have a location and a name on your machine? Is it provided in Debian? If the Brother driver is broken then surely you know who to contact? I don't think the driver is broken, I am using it to drive 2 brother printers here. But it can be miss-installed. Please re-read the install notes again. so i used the cups driver, i can't remember what driver specifically, and all was well after a considerable amount of effort. cups provides few drivers. Which one did you use? It should be on your system if you are using it. it's actually getting CUPS to work that's my problem, not the driver under cups. i think people are assuming i'm having a driver problem when i'm actually having a getting cups to work problem. Ah. It's not the driver? It's the scheduler which is misbehaving, In what way? now, last time i tried to set it up was about 2 years ago. maybe things are better now, hence the reason i should try again. but my experience last time was so miserable i keep procrastinating. What things could be better? Cheers, Gene Heskett -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201506132057.50889.ghesk...@wdtv.com
Re: SOLVED Re: adding network printer SOLVED
On Fri, 12 Jun 2015 20:10:58 +0100 Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: On Thu 11 Jun 2015 at 21:16:51 -0700, bri...@aracnet.com wrote: On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 10:57:26 -0400 Gary Dale garyd...@torfree.net wrote: Despite the occasional problem, I find Linux to be far superior to Windows. While CUPS may send you looking for a driver sometimes, it's far worse for Windows where the manufacturers often don't produce updated drivers for the latest Windows version. At that point you are usually out of luck. Windows was no problem at all for the printer i have. i find CUPS to be excruciating to set up. 99.99% of users have no problem with a supported printer really ? i thought it was 99.93%. I receive your correction. Time to give it another try since it's so darn easy. Who knew ? The 99.99% of users who have no problem? a scientifically determined number established by years of research, no doubt. it's pretty much the only thing i really have problems setting up under linux. NFS gives me quite a bit of trouble too, but i find it easier to figure out what is going on. Brian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150613112126.257c4...@cedar.deldotd.com
Re: SOLVED Re: adding network printer SOLVED
On Sat 13 Jun 2015 at 11:26:42 -0700, bri...@aracnet.com wrote: On Fri, 12 Jun 2015 10:06:21 +0100 Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday 12 June 2015 05:16:51 bri...@aracnet.com wrote: Windows was no problem at all for the printer i have. Which version of Windows? Or are you saying that your printer has drivers for all versions of Windows? In my experience, you have to throw things away when the version of Windows changes and there is no driver for that version. After you have scoured the Internet. i have both xp and win 7. printer is a dcp-8110dn. my problem under linux is NOT the driver. as i said, brother actually has a cups/driver package for linux - but i found it to be broken and doing weird set-up things. What is this driver you are talking about? Does it have a location and a name on your machine? Is it provided in Debian? If the Brother driver is broken then surely you know who to contact? so i used the cups driver, i can't remember what driver specifically, and all was well after a considerable amount of effort. cups provides few drivers. Which one did you use? It should be on your system if you are using it. it's actually getting CUPS to work that's my problem, not the driver under cups. i think people are assuming i'm having a driver problem when i'm actually having a getting cups to work problem. Ah. It's not the driver? It's the scheduler which is misbehaving, In what way? now, last time i tried to set it up was about 2 years ago. maybe things are better now, hence the reason i should try again. but my experience last time was so miserable i keep procrastinating. What things could be better? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/13062015202530.7638fcd3e...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: SOLVED Re: adding network printer SOLVED
On Sat 13 Jun 2015 at 11:21:26 -0700, bri...@aracnet.com wrote: On Fri, 12 Jun 2015 20:10:58 +0100 Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: 99.99% of users have no problem with a supported printer really ? i thought it was 99.93%. I receive your correction. Let's split the difference and agree on 99.96%. The 99.99% of users who have no problem? a scientifically determined number established by years of research, no doubt. Completely scientific. Evidentially based. The number of Debian users who have problems with printing is few and far between. The very low frequency of printing-related questions on -user is an indication of this. The OP's problem was not a printing problem as such but one of package installation. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/13062015200223.0d00b12b3...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: SOLVED Re: adding network printer SOLVED
On Fri, 12 Jun 2015 10:06:21 +0100 Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday 12 June 2015 05:16:51 bri...@aracnet.com wrote: Windows was no problem at all for the printer i have. Which version of Windows? Or are you saying that your printer has drivers for all versions of Windows? In my experience, you have to throw things away when the version of Windows changes and there is no driver for that version. After you have scoured the Internet. i have both xp and win 7. printer is a dcp-8110dn. my problem under linux is NOT the driver. as i said, brother actually has a cups/driver package for linux - but i found it to be broken and doing weird set-up things. so i used the cups driver, i can't remember what driver specifically, and all was well after a considerable amount of effort. it's actually getting CUPS to work that's my problem, not the driver under cups. i think people are assuming i'm having a driver problem when i'm actually having a getting cups to work problem. now, last time i tried to set it up was about 2 years ago. maybe things are better now, hence the reason i should try again. but my experience last time was so miserable i keep procrastinating. Brian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150613112642.790c1...@cedar.deldotd.com
Re: adding network printer
On Sat 13 Jun 2015 at 05:58:16 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 11:24:52PM +0200, notoneofmyseeds wrote: device for Canon-MX850-series: bjnp://10.0.0.8:8611 Is that all? It's sufficient. After the file is processed by cups-filters it is sent to the printer at 10.0.0.8 with the bjnp protocol. Protocols like ipp and socket are open; bjnp isn't. Presumably the printer manufacturer has decided it makes better use of the printer capabilities, Whatever the reason (and this we willprobably never know) it is a protocol which some Canon printers employ. Someone reverse engineering it is a success for free software. Someone else packaging it for Debian is a benefit for us. The printer address is given above, before the port number. Right, and the output of the command is? It is likely to show there is nothing listening on the IPP and socket ports. Which was the point of the original question about nmap. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/13062015194415.a7208ae57...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: SOLVED Re: adding network printer SOLVED
On Sat, 13 Jun 2015 20:41:03 +0100 Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: On Sat 13 Jun 2015 at 11:26:42 -0700, bri...@aracnet.com wrote: On Fri, 12 Jun 2015 10:06:21 +0100 Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday 12 June 2015 05:16:51 bri...@aracnet.com wrote: Windows was no problem at all for the printer i have. Which version of Windows? Or are you saying that your printer has drivers for all versions of Windows? In my experience, you have to throw things away when the version of Windows changes and there is no driver for that version. After you have scoured the Internet. i thought i was clear. it doesn't matter which driver. the driver worked fine. Ah. It's not the driver? It's the scheduler which is misbehaving, In what way? i might have lead you to believe that it was the driver, so my mistake. so can we stop the discussion about the driver. i was responding to another post in the thread in which there was a statement about the user having trouble with windows printer drivers. for my brother they do, that's all I was saying. see how that works ? some people have trouble setting up printers under windows, some people don't 99.99% of the people get it set-up under linux without a problem, 0.01% of us don't. my problem is getting cups set-up. What things could be better? please see my thread about the problems i'm currently experiencing. what could be better ? being able to connect to cups through the web interface on the first try. Brian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150613135529.1c5c2...@cedar.deldotd.com
Re: SOLVED Re: adding network printer SOLVED
On Friday 12 June 2015 05:16:51 bri...@aracnet.com wrote: Windows was no problem at all for the printer i have. Which version of Windows? Or are you saying that your printer has drivers for all versions of Windows? In my experience, you have to throw things away when the version of Windows changes and there is no driver for that version. After you have scoured the Internet. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201506121006.21992.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: SOLVED Re: adding network printer SOLVED
On 15-06-12 11:06 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: Which version of Windows? Or are you saying that your printer has drivers for all versions of Windows? In my experience, you have to throw things away when the version of Windows changes and there is no driver for that version. After you have scoured the Internet. This is increasingly the case, ever since XP was put to death. And another reason I can't wait to say I have completely abandon that OS. Slow work in progress, but coming along. And once it's done, I think I'd be the loudest advocate for Linux, Debian, to be exact. Cheers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/557b2e6e.9010...@gmx.de
Re: SOLVED Re: adding network printer SOLVED
On Thu 11 Jun 2015 at 21:16:51 -0700, bri...@aracnet.com wrote: On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 10:57:26 -0400 Gary Dale garyd...@torfree.net wrote: Despite the occasional problem, I find Linux to be far superior to Windows. While CUPS may send you looking for a driver sometimes, it's far worse for Windows where the manufacturers often don't produce updated drivers for the latest Windows version. At that point you are usually out of luck. Windows was no problem at all for the printer i have. i find CUPS to be excruciating to set up. 99.99% of users have no problem with a supported printer Time to give it another try since it's so darn easy. Who knew ? The 99.99% of users who have no problem? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/12062015200727.d6edd9a33...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: adding network printer
On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 11:24:52PM +0200, notoneofmyseeds wrote: On 06/10/2015 03:35 PM, Brian wrote: Just to be clear on how you solved your problem: was it by installing the Debian cups-backend-bjnp package or by following the advice at the link given? So you already had the cups-backend-bjnp package installed or not? I used the directions on the link provided earlier in this thread. This link: http://setdosa.blogspot.se/2009/02/setting-up-canon-pixma-mx850-on-ubuntu.html That post was in 2009 and it still works. I tried finding a way to thank the owner but could not find his contact information. As a matter of interest and of possible help to future users, would you please say which PPD you are using and also post the outputs of lpstat -v print_queue_name device for Canon-MX850-series: bjnp://10.0.0.8:8611 Is that all? nmap (printer_IPaddress The printer address is given above, before the port number. Right, and the output of the command is? -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150612175816.GB16930@tal
Re: SOLVED Re: adding network printer SOLVED
On 06/11/2015 07:05 AM, bri...@aracnet.com wrote: yes - normally asking the list after giving it the old college try is a good thing. except when it comes to cups, then crying for help immediately gets a free pass in my opinion. i have had similar miserable experiences setting up cups and my printer has a driver FROM THE MANUFACTURER FOR CUPS. does it work ? hell no. had to use the open source driver. in fact, it's broken right now because i refuse to step back into that quagmire. The quagmire I had refused to step back into was Linux, we're talking the says when Mandrake was the cry that Ubuntu is now. But after recent disappointment with the two main OSes and in the case of one, the manufacturer itself, I thought, well try Debian without flavor. And so far, and with the help from good folks here, the transition is on a good path. It will be a long one, lots of things to get done. But I think it will get there. Set a few hours aside and do nothing but work on your printer; it will get done. Goodluck! And of course folks are here to help. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/557953b0.9050...@gmx.de
Re: SOLVED Re: adding network printer SOLVED
On 11/06/15 05:24 AM, notoneofmyseeds wrote: On 06/11/2015 07:05 AM, bri...@aracnet.com wrote: yes - normally asking the list after giving it the old college try is a good thing. except when it comes to cups, then crying for help immediately gets a free pass in my opinion. i have had similar miserable experiences setting up cups and my printer has a driver FROM THE MANUFACTURER FOR CUPS. does it work ? hell no. had to use the open source driver. in fact, it's broken right now because i refuse to step back into that quagmire. The quagmire I had refused to step back into was Linux, we're talking the says when Mandrake was the cry that Ubuntu is now. But after recent disappointment with the two main OSes and in the case of one, the manufacturer itself, I thought, well try Debian without flavor. And so far, and with the help from good folks here, the transition is on a good path. It will be a long one, lots of things to get done. But I think it will get there. Set a few hours aside and do nothing but work on your printer; it will get done. Goodluck! And of course folks are here to help. Despite the occasional problem, I find Linux to be far superior to Windows. While CUPS may send you looking for a driver sometimes, it's far worse for Windows where the manufacturers often don't produce updated drivers for the latest Windows version. At that point you are usually out of luck. Moreover CUPS is superior to Windows printing. One example of this is the ability to define printer classes so that the print job goes to the first available printer in the class. I use this to print photos with Santa each year at a local community centre. In fact the entire process is really just a bash script to take the picture, crop and rotate it, then send it to the print queue. A piece of cake compared to trying to do it in Windows. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5579a1d6.8010...@torfree.net
Re: adding network printer
On Wed 10 Jun 2015 at 23:24:52 +0200, notoneofmyseeds wrote: On 06/10/2015 03:35 PM, Brian wrote: Just to be clear on how you solved your problem: was it by installing the Debian cups-backend-bjnp package or by following the advice at the link given? I used the directions on the link provided earlier in this thread. This link: http://setdosa.blogspot.se/2009/02/setting-up-canon-pixma-mx850-on-ubuntu.html That post was in 2009 and it still works. I tried finding a way to thank the owner but could not find his contact information. The cups-backend-bjnp package should also work. It comes from the same source material. As a matter of interest and of possible help to future users, would you please say which PPD you are using and also post the outputs of lpstat -v print_queue_name device for Canon-MX850-series: bjnp://10.0.0.8:8611 The PPD being used can be got from its contents in /etc/cups/ppd. and nmap (printer_IPaddress The printer address is given above, before the port number. nmap is a command. It might be on your system. The output of nmap 10.0.0.8 is what is wanted. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/11062015150210.e24b41e3e...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: SOLVED Re: adding network printer SOLVED
On Wed 10 Jun 2015 at 22:05:23 -0700, bri...@aracnet.com wrote: On Wed, 10 Jun 2015 23:09:42 +0200 notoneofmyseeds notoneofmyse...@gmx.de wrote: On 06/10/2015 01:41 PM, Sven Arvidsson wrote: Another illustration of this: Another effective [debugging] technique is to explain your code to someone else. This will often cause you to explain the bug to yourself. Sometimes it takes no more than a few sentences, followed by an embarrassed Never mind, I see what's wrong. Sorry to bother you. This works remarkably well; you can even use non-programmers as listeners. One university computer center kept a teddy bear near the help desk. Students with mysterious bugs were required to explain them to the bear before they could speak to a human counselor. Well noted. And many thanks. It's either this, or I walk away for a while. But I find that hard to do, believing that, just one more try and it will work; just a sec that turns into days. yes - normally asking the list after giving it the old college try is a good thing. except when it comes to cups, then crying for help immediately gets a free pass in my opinion. i have had similar miserable experiences setting up cups and my printer has a driver FROM THE MANUFACTURER FOR CUPS. does it work ? hell no. had to use the open source driver. in fact, it's broken right now because i refuse to step back into that quagmire. The OP didn't have a problem with cups or cups-filters. Both did the job they were designed to do. What your problem is is essentially unknown. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/11062015194417.e607e8a19...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: SOLVED Re: adding network printer SOLVED
On 11/06/15 11:03 AM, notoneofmyseeds wrote: On 06/11/2015 04:57 PM, Gary Dale wrote: In fact the entire process is really just a bash script to take the picture, crop and rotate it, then send it to the print queue. A piece of cake compared to trying to do it in Windows. Hi Gary, With of lots and lots of pictures I have to print, can you please, tell/show me, how you do this. I'm not experienced with scripts. Cheers, Michael I use digikam to control the camera and download the photo. Next I use imagemagic (convert) to rotate and crop the image. Finally the lpr command sends the output to the default print queue. Not all cameras can be controlled by digikam but a lot can. This is especially true of the higher-end cameras but even my lowly Canon Powershot SX100 works. Since Santa's chair is always in the same place, I simply have the camera on a tripod pointing at the chair. Then I send the command to take and download the picture to a filename. I use the same filename as input to convert to rotate and crop the image then send the adjusted image to lpr. I don't even need the gui for this. I have the script on another computer but it's pretty simple. You basically just need the three commands. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5579feb1.8050...@torfree.net
Re: SOLVED Re: adding network printer SOLVED
On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 10:57:26 -0400 Gary Dale garyd...@torfree.net wrote: Despite the occasional problem, I find Linux to be far superior to Windows. While CUPS may send you looking for a driver sometimes, it's far worse for Windows where the manufacturers often don't produce updated drivers for the latest Windows version. At that point you are usually out of luck. Windows was no problem at all for the printer i have. i find CUPS to be excruciating to set up. Time to give it another try since it's so darn easy. Who knew ? Moreover CUPS is superior to Windows printing. One example of this is the ability to define printer classes so that the print job goes to the first available printer in the class. I use this to print photos with Santa each year at a local community centre. In fact the entire process is really just a bash script to take the picture, crop and rotate it, then send it to the print queue. A piece of cake compared to trying to do it in Windows. no argument with that. once it's working it's great. but that's my experience with linux in general. sometimes it's just damn painful to get something to work. you see, i remember the good old days when you had to futz with x-config files and actually tweak those modelines :-) once it's working, you're golden ! Brian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150611211651.2c0bf...@cedar.deldotd.com
SOLVED Re: adding network printer SOLVED
On 15-06-09 8:15 PM, Sven Arvidsson wrote: Have you used this printer with lpd before? Everything I find on Google says it only speaks a proprietary protocol called bjnp. Which should be covered by the cups-backend-bjnp package. http://setdosa.blogspot.se/2009/02/setting-up-canon-pixma-mx850-on-ubuntu.html And the hat's off to Sven Arvidsson for this really, truly, wonderful, no hassle find. Awesome. I just printed the test page in less than 5 minutes. When you consider I spent, between two days, about 8 hours; this is truly wonderful. I'm of two minds; whether I should have asked earlier, save some time. Or, not come quickly with all questions without first trying to solve stuff. I suppose the answer is a sensible balance. But thanks, Sven, thanks a whole lot. At this point, I think I'm almost done making this switch. And I thank you very much, Mr. Arvidsson. And as well to all those who pitched in. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/55780e7e.6000...@gmx.de
Re: adding network printer
On Wed, 10 Jun 2015 12:27:12 +0200 notoneofmy notoneofmyse...@gmx.de wrote: On 15-06-09 8:15 PM, Sven Arvidsson wrote: Have you used this printer with lpd before? Everything I find on Google says it only speaks a proprietary protocol called bjnp. Which should be covered by the cups-backend-bjnp package. http://setdosa.blogspot.se/2009/02/setting-up-canon-pixma-mx850-on-ubuntu.html ...and what more, and this is very important, it did not ask me to select a driver. It automagically found and selected the right. I the link asked to select a particular driver; that wasn't an option presented. Now, now, if I can only scan to the machine. That will be asking too much, I suppose, given Canon's retrogressive moves by not opening up their drivers. That's OK, printing is good enough. http://www.sane-project.org/sane-mfgs.html#Z-CANON : Lists the Pixma MX850 support as Complete with All resolutions supported (up to 2400DPI). Flatbed, ADF simplex and Duplex supported. over both USB and Ethernet, with the pixma backend (see the sane-pixma manpage). So that should work out-of-the-box. :) Petter -- I'm ionized Are you sure? I'm positive. pgp24ghfmgnMz.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: adding network printer
On 15-06-09 8:15 PM, Sven Arvidsson wrote: Have you used this printer with lpd before? Everything I find on Google says it only speaks a proprietary protocol called bjnp. Which should be covered by the cups-backend-bjnp package. http://setdosa.blogspot.se/2009/02/setting-up-canon-pixma-mx850-on-ubuntu.html ...and what more, and this is very important, it did not ask me to select a driver. It automagically found and selected the right. I the link asked to select a particular driver; that wasn't an option presented. Now, now, if I can only scan to the machine. That will be asking too much, I suppose, given Canon's retrogressive moves by not opening up their drivers. That's OK, printing is good enough. And as well, it's important to note that I did not touch CUPS. But I did use it to delete the printer it added, which never did work. Thanks again! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/55781100.9080...@gmx.de
Re: SOLVED Re: adding network printer SOLVED
On Wed, 2015-06-10 at 12:16 +0200, notoneofmy wrote: And the hat's off to Sven Arvidsson for this really, truly, wonderful, no hassle find. Awesome. I just printed the test page in less than 5 minutes. When you consider I spent, between two days, about 8 hours; this is truly wonderful. I'm of two minds; whether I should have asked earlier, save some time. Or, not come quickly with all questions without first trying to solve stuff. I suppose the answer is a sensible balance. But thanks, Sven, thanks a whole lot. At this point, I think I'm almost done making this switch. And I thank you very much, Mr. Arvidsson. And as well to all those who pitched in. Glad to hear you got it working! I don't think there's anything wrong with asking early. Sometimes I start writing a question to the list, and when I finished describing the problem I have figured out the solution, or at least some other thing to try. Another illustration of this: Another effective [debugging] technique is to explain your code to someone else. This will often cause you to explain the bug to yourself. Sometimes it takes no more than a few sentences, followed by an embarrassed Never mind, I see what's wrong. Sorry to bother you. This works remarkably well; you can even use non-programmers as listeners. One university computer center kept a teddy bear near the help desk. Students with mysterious bugs were required to explain them to the bear before they could speak to a human counselor. - B. Kernighan D. Pike (in The Practice of Programming pp. 123) -- Cheers, Sven Arvidsson http://www.whiz.se PGP Key ID 6FAB5CD5 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: adding network printer
On Wed 10 Jun 2015 at 12:27:12 +0200, notoneofmy wrote: On 15-06-09 8:15 PM, Sven Arvidsson wrote: Have you used this printer with lpd before? Everything I find on Google says it only speaks a proprietary protocol called bjnp. Which should be covered by the cups-backend-bjnp package. http://setdosa.blogspot.se/2009/02/setting-up-canon-pixma-mx850-on-ubuntu.html ...and what more, and this is very important, it did not ask me to select a driver. It automagically found and selected the right. I the link asked to select a particular driver; that wasn't an option presented. Just to be clear on how you solved your problem: was it by installing the Debian cups-backend-bjnp package or by following the advice at the link given? As a matter of interest and of possible help to future users, would you please say which PPD you are using and also post the outputs of lpstat -v print_queue_name and nmap (printer_IPaddress -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/10062015142302.08e928bea...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: SOLVED Re: adding network printer SOLVED
On 06/10/2015 01:41 PM, Sven Arvidsson wrote: Another illustration of this: Another effective [debugging] technique is to explain your code to someone else. This will often cause you to explain the bug to yourself. Sometimes it takes no more than a few sentences, followed by an embarrassed Never mind, I see what's wrong. Sorry to bother you. This works remarkably well; you can even use non-programmers as listeners. One university computer center kept a teddy bear near the help desk. Students with mysterious bugs were required to explain them to the bear before they could speak to a human counselor. Well noted. And many thanks. It's either this, or I walk away for a while. But I find that hard to do, believing that, just one more try and it will work; just a sec that turns into days. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5578a796.7020...@gmx.de
Re: adding network printer
On 06/10/2015 12:51 PM, Petter Adsen wrote: Lists the Pixma MX850 support as Complete with All resolutions supported (up to 2400DPI). Flatbed, ADF simplex and Duplex supported. over both USB and Ethernet, with the pixma backend (see the sane-pixma manpage). So that should work out-of-the-box.:) Petter Thanks a lot, Peter. It just keeps getting better. apt-get install sane and xsane. The latter pulled the scanner and I scanned without a sweat. Awesome. It's looking, day after day, as if I'm not going back to OSX or Windows; anymore! I knew about sane way back when, when informed forms then talked of linux as a project, a hobby; but boy! has stuff come a long way. And my hat's off to folks like those on SANE, they have been around almost as long as Linux. And sane has some great features I have not seen in all these years. Thanks a lot, Peter. Great suggestion. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5578aa54.40...@gmx.de
Re: adding network printer
On 06/10/2015 03:35 PM, Brian wrote: Just to be clear on how you solved your problem: was it by installing the Debian cups-backend-bjnp package or by following the advice at the link given? I used the directions on the link provided earlier in this thread. This link: http://setdosa.blogspot.se/2009/02/setting-up-canon-pixma-mx850-on-ubuntu.html That post was in 2009 and it still works. I tried finding a way to thank the owner but could not find his contact information. As a matter of interest and of possible help to future users, would you please say which PPD you are using and also post the outputs of lpstat -v print_queue_name device for Canon-MX850-series: bjnp://10.0.0.8:8611 and nmap (printer_IPaddress The printer address is given above, before the port number. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5578ab24.7070...@gmx.de
Re: SOLVED Re: adding network printer SOLVED
On Wed, 10 Jun 2015 23:09:42 +0200 notoneofmyseeds notoneofmyse...@gmx.de wrote: On 06/10/2015 01:41 PM, Sven Arvidsson wrote: Another illustration of this: Another effective [debugging] technique is to explain your code to someone else. This will often cause you to explain the bug to yourself. Sometimes it takes no more than a few sentences, followed by an embarrassed Never mind, I see what's wrong. Sorry to bother you. This works remarkably well; you can even use non-programmers as listeners. One university computer center kept a teddy bear near the help desk. Students with mysterious bugs were required to explain them to the bear before they could speak to a human counselor. Well noted. And many thanks. It's either this, or I walk away for a while. But I find that hard to do, believing that, just one more try and it will work; just a sec that turns into days. yes - normally asking the list after giving it the old college try is a good thing. except when it comes to cups, then crying for help immediately gets a free pass in my opinion. i have had similar miserable experiences setting up cups and my printer has a driver FROM THE MANUFACTURER FOR CUPS. does it work ? hell no. had to use the open source driver. in fact, it's broken right now because i refuse to step back into that quagmire. Brian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150610220523.00a99...@cedar.deldotd.com
Re: adding network printer
On Tue, 2015-06-09 at 15:53 +0200, notoneofmy wrote: Hallo, I have spent hours on this, including the debian website. I have installed CUPS and have done apt-cache policy printer-driver all. I used localhost/631 to add the printer and I'm on Jessie with xfce. and so the uri for the wired canon printer is lpd: // (ip)/queue I can ping the printer's ip and get a response, using the machine with Jessie. But all print jobs sent produce different errors, from the printer is in use to not connected. I have checked /etc/cups/printers.conf file to ensure the uri is correct. I'm really upset. If you can help, this would be great. Thanks a lot. Is there anything in the cups logs? I think you can configure cups to make verbose logs. What's the make and model of the printer? Is lpd the only option or can you use ipp? -- Cheers, Sven Arvidsson http://www.whiz.se PGP Key ID 6FAB5CD5 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: adding network printer
On 20150609_1553+0200, notoneofmy wrote: Hallo, I have spent hours on this, including the debian website. I have installed CUPS and have done apt-cache policy printer-driver all. I used localhost/631 to add the printer and I'm on Jessie with xfce. and so the uri for the wired canon printer is lpd: // (ip)/queue I can ping the printer's ip and get a response, using the machine with Jessie. But all print jobs sent produce different errors, from the printer is in use to not connected. I have checked /etc/cups/printers.conf file to ensure the uri is correct. I'm really upset. If you can help, this would be great. I am not an expert. I had a similar situation recently. I also was having trouble getting sound working. While working on sound, I made the irrational decision to try using Mate. I tried Mate for a while, but did not purge Xfce. Looking for clues in a different debugging/gui environment can make you notice things that you had not noticed before. Some things that you try can actually make the problem worse. Others give misleading information. Cups likes to remember things that are useless, and wrong. Be careful what you do try. My system is working now, both sound and Cups. The best I can offer is the suspicion that installing task-Mate, brought in some packages that were necessary for both problems, but were not installed by using task-xfce alone. Yes its crazy. YMMV Best regards. -- Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150609153501.ga8...@big.lan.gnu
Re: adding network printer
On 09/06/15 09:53 AM, notoneofmy wrote: Hallo, I have spent hours on this, including the debian website. I have installed CUPS and have done apt-cache policy printer-driver all. I used localhost/631 to add the printer and I'm on Jessie with xfce. and so the uri for the wired canon printer is lpd: // (ip)/queue I can ping the printer's ip and get a response, using the machine with Jessie. But all print jobs sent produce different errors, from the printer is in use to not connected. I have checked /etc/cups/printers.conf file to ensure the uri is correct. I'm really upset. If you can help, this would be great. Thanks a lot. Probably a typo on your part but shouldn't that be localhost:631? The larger problem is all the effort you are expending. Having installed CUPS, very little else needs to be done. Go to the localhost:631 page and click on the Administration page. Then click on Find New Printers. The CUPS detection process works quite well. Don't try to out-guess it. Purge the CUPS install (aptitude purge cups or apt-get purge cups) then do a fresh install and let it do its job. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5576f82d.6050...@torfree.net
Re: adding network printer
On 15-06-09 5:35 PM, Paul E Condon wrote: My system is working now, both sound and Cups. The best I can offer is the suspicion that installing task-Mate, brought in some packages that were necessary for both problems, but were not installed by using task-xfce alone. You're right, it's crazy; but if it works -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/55771fca.6020...@gmx.de
Re: adding network printer
On 15-06-09 4:29 PM, Gary Dale wrote: Purge the CUPS install (aptitude purge cups or apt-get purge cups) then do a fresh install and let it do its job. I will give this option a try, though I can't figure out how very different it is from what I've done; which is simply install CUPS and configure it using the web interface. I only looked at the config file when things would not work. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5577203b.2010...@gmx.de
Re: adding network printer
On Tue, 2015-06-09 at 19:21 +0200, notoneofmy wrote: On 15-06-09 4:05 PM, Sven Arvidsson wrote: Is there anything in the cups logs? I think you can configure cups to make verbose logs. What's the make and model of the printer? Is lpd the only option or can you use ipp? I will check the logs. Canon 850mx Have you used this printer with lpd before? Everything I find on Google says it only speaks a proprietary protocol called bjnp. Which should be covered by the cups-backend-bjnp package. http://setdosa.blogspot.se/2009/02/setting-up-canon-pixma-mx850-on-ubuntu.html -- Cheers, Sven Arvidsson http://www.whiz.se PGP Key ID 6FAB5CD5 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: adding network printer
On 15-06-09 4:05 PM, Sven Arvidsson wrote: Is there anything in the cups logs? I think you can configure cups to make verbose logs. What's the make and model of the printer? Is lpd the only option or can you use ipp? I will check the logs. Canon 850mx I'm not sure if lpd is the only option, perhaps others might chime in on that. I thought of using others but didn't for fear or messing up CUPS. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5577208a.4070...@gmx.de
Re: adding network printer
On 15-06-09 8:15 PM, Sven Arvidsson wrote: Have you used this printer with lpd before? Everything I find on Google says it only speaks a proprietary protocol called bjnp. Which should be covered by the cups-backend-bjnp package. http://setdosa.blogspot.se/2009/02/setting-up-canon-pixma-mx850-on-ubuntu.html No, sir, I haven't used it with lpd before. But to you, sir, I'm greatly indebted. For your help, which I will try and let you and others know the results. This is perhaps the last stage to make permanent my stay with Debian without flavor. Thank you! No I go to work. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/55773c9d.3020...@gmx.de
Re: adding network printer
On 09/06/15 01:19 PM, notoneofmy wrote: On 15-06-09 4:29 PM, Gary Dale wrote: Purge the CUPS install (aptitude purge cups or apt-get purge cups) then do a fresh install and let it do its job. I will give this option a try, though I can't figure out how very different it is from what I've done; which is simply install CUPS and configure it using the web interface. I only looked at the config file when things would not work. The problem isn't the interface but how you use it. Linux lets experts do all kinds of things with raw config files and option settings but generally works (especially Debian) when you just let it do things automatically. Letting the Find New Printers wizard do its job absolves you of the need to enter queue names, messing around with restarting services, etc.. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/557747c2.5070...@torfree.net
Re: adding network printer
On 09/06/15 02:15 PM, Sven Arvidsson wrote: On Tue, 2015-06-09 at 19:21 +0200, notoneofmy wrote: On 15-06-09 4:05 PM, Sven Arvidsson wrote: Is there anything in the cups logs? I think you can configure cups to make verbose logs. What's the make and model of the printer? Is lpd the only option or can you use ipp? I will check the logs. Canon 850mx Have you used this printer with lpd before? Everything I find on Google says it only speaks a proprietary protocol called bjnp. Which should be covered by the cups-backend-bjnp package. http://setdosa.blogspot.se/2009/02/setting-up-canon-pixma-mx850-on-ubuntu.html Good catch. While I've generally had no trouble with Canon printers on Linux, their drivers often come from unusual sources. I personally fail to see what competitive advantage Canon, Lexmark, etc. think they are getting from not opening up their printer protocols. Let the community in on the secret and sell more printers to Linux users. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/55774997.9020...@torfree.net
Re: adding network printer
Gary Dale wrote: Good catch. While I've generally had no trouble with Canon printers on Linux, their drivers often come from unusual sources. I personally fail to see what competitive advantage Canon, Lexmark, etc. think they are getting from not opening up their printer protocols. Let the community in on the secret and sell more printers to Linux users. I can imagine they save a lot of money on all kind of things, just to make it cheep, but sellable and thus achieve better share options. Just don't buy the stuff, spent more money for better hardware (and software) this pays always off. I spent 100US$ on an Epson dotmatrix in 96 and it is still working great. As student I was earning about 200/month back then. I spent 100 on a HP LaserJet in 2000 and it is still working great. I ask myself why people would buy cheep stuff anyway ... it's like sickness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/ml7iki$ls9$1...@ger.gmane.org
adding network printer
Hallo, I have spent hours on this, including the debian website. I have installed CUPS and have done apt-cache policy printer-driver all. I used localhost/631 to add the printer and I'm on Jessie with xfce. and so the uri for the wired canon printer is lpd: // (ip)/queue I can ping the printer's ip and get a response, using the machine with Jessie. But all print jobs sent produce different errors, from the printer is in use to not connected. I have checked /etc/cups/printers.conf file to ensure the uri is correct. I'm really upset. If you can help, this would be great. Thanks a lot. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5576efeb.9070...@gmx.de
