Re: all of a sudden I have no sound

2021-12-16 Thread deloptes
Jude DaShiell wrote:

> debian-accessibility is interested in replacing pulseaudio with pipewire
> and I can understand why!  Not saying pipewire has these essential
> features but pulseaudio has been a p.i.t.a. since I've had it on any
> hardware I've used.  Whenever possible I avoid installing pulseaudio or
> remove it from a system that installs it automatically for sanity
> purposes.

as of approx version 11 of pulseaudio, there are virtually no issues, so you
may revisit your decision now.

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Re: all of a sudden I have no sound

2021-12-16 Thread Jude DaShiell
debian-accessibility is interested in replacing pulseaudio with pipewire
and I can understand why!  Not saying pipewire has these essential
features but pulseaudio has been a p.i.t.a. since I've had it on any
hardware I've used.  Whenever possible I avoid installing pulseaudio or
remove it from a system that installs it automatically for sanity
purposes.



On Thu, 16 Dec 2021, David Wright wrote:

> On Thu 16 Dec 2021 at 09:13:11 (-0500), Dan Ritter wrote:
> > Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > > it would be nice if pulseaudio say in pavucontrol would get a find my
> > > speakers button which would try what it thinks is a speaker andput a
> > > message on the screen asking if the user heard some music.  If the answer
> > > is no, move onto the next speaker.
> >
> > It would be nice if, for example, it remembered the way that you
> > wanted a system to be rather than recalculating it every time a
> > device changes state. If I turn off the home theater receiver
> > connected to my media server via HDMI, PulseAudio decides that
> > it can't be used, so it helpfully switches over to another audio
> > output device. When I turn the receiver back on, PulseAudio does
> > not switch back to it automatically.
> >
> > The present case is probably similar: PA decided something was
> > unplugged, switched to a different sink, and did not bring it
> > back when it was "replugged".
>
> It's not just nice to have these features, but essential, and
> that's one reason why I don't install pulseaudio. Using amixer
> in ALSA, I can type one line and have the audio set how I want
> it, with the correct levels set and unmuted, just as aumix did
> under OSS for many years.
>
> And, of course, it's not that /I/ have to type that line. If
> I now type in:
> $ touch .cron/2021-12-19-05-55-rk-250
> then the system will automatically record the Sunday morning
> programme from the radio, using appropriate recording levels
> set by the script in bin/rk.sh.
>
> I could never get beyond having to poke around in pulseaudio
> every time I used it. What I wanted was something that would
> enable me to power up the PC at bedtime Saturday, and have it
> just work without the necessity of logging in etc.
>
> Cheers,
> David.
>
>



Re: all of a sudden I have no sound

2021-12-16 Thread David Wright
On Thu 16 Dec 2021 at 09:13:11 (-0500), Dan Ritter wrote:
> Jude DaShiell wrote: 
> > it would be nice if pulseaudio say in pavucontrol would get a find my
> > speakers button which would try what it thinks is a speaker andput a
> > message on the screen asking if the user heard some music.  If the answer
> > is no, move onto the next speaker.
> 
> It would be nice if, for example, it remembered the way that you
> wanted a system to be rather than recalculating it every time a
> device changes state. If I turn off the home theater receiver
> connected to my media server via HDMI, PulseAudio decides that
> it can't be used, so it helpfully switches over to another audio
> output device. When I turn the receiver back on, PulseAudio does
> not switch back to it automatically. 
> 
> The present case is probably similar: PA decided something was
> unplugged, switched to a different sink, and did not bring it
> back when it was "replugged".

It's not just nice to have these features, but essential, and
that's one reason why I don't install pulseaudio. Using amixer
in ALSA, I can type one line and have the audio set how I want
it, with the correct levels set and unmuted, just as aumix did
under OSS for many years.

And, of course, it's not that /I/ have to type that line. If
I now type in:
$ touch .cron/2021-12-19-05-55-rk-250
then the system will automatically record the Sunday morning
programme from the radio, using appropriate recording levels
set by the script in bin/rk.sh.

I could never get beyond having to poke around in pulseaudio
every time I used it. What I wanted was something that would
enable me to power up the PC at bedtime Saturday, and have it
just work without the necessity of logging in etc.

Cheers,
David.



Re: all of a sudden I have no sound

2021-12-16 Thread Dan Ritter
Jude DaShiell wrote: 
> it would be nice if pulseaudio say in pavucontrol would get a find my
> speakers button which would try what it thinks is a speaker andput a
> message on the screen asking if the user heard some music.  If the answer
> is no, move onto the next speaker.

It would be nice if, for example, it remembered the way that you
wanted a system to be rather than recalculating it every time a
device changes state. If I turn off the home theater receiver
connected to my media server via HDMI, PulseAudio decides that
it can't be used, so it helpfully switches over to another audio
output device. When I turn the receiver back on, PulseAudio does
not switch back to it automatically. 

The present case is probably similar: PA decided something was
unplugged, switched to a different sink, and did not bring it
back when it was "replugged".

-dsr-



Re: all of a sudden I have no sound

2021-12-16 Thread Jude DaShiell
it would be nice if pulseaudio say in pavucontrol would get a find my
speakers button which would try what it thinks is a speaker andput a
message on the screen asking if the user heard some music.  If the answer
is no, move onto the next speaker.


On Thu, 16 Dec 2021, Dan Ritter wrote:

> Maureen L Thomas wrote:
> > I was on the computer and stopped to eat dinner and the puter went into
> > black screen as it always does if left unattended.  It would not wake up so
> > I changed the batteries in my keyboard and it still would not wake up.  So I
> > turned it off with the switch and then back on.  Once it was on it worked
> > fine until I tried to play a you tube and found I had no sound at all.  I
> > checked the sound icon on the top right of the screen and it was set where I
> > always have it.  I went to the sound thing to check that I have sound and as
> > I tested both speakers I heard nothing.  The computer seemed to think that
> > was fine with a smiley face.
>
> Are the speakers internal or external? If external, are they
> powered up and turned on with an appropriate volume?
>
> Does it work with headphones plugged in?
>
> Run pavucontrol and click on the Configuration tab. It is not
> rare for this subsystem to decide to select the wrong audio
> output device after a reboot.
>
> Tell us what options it offers you in the Configuration tab.
>
>
> > I am on a Lenova all in one computer with Debian 9.  I have not needed any
> > upgrades lately so that is not the problem as my system is kept up to date
> > with all software.
>
> I agree that this is not the problem, but you should know that
> the reason you are not getting upgrades on Debian 9 is because
> Debian 11 is the current stable version.
>
> -dsr-
>
>



Re: all of a sudden I have no sound

2021-12-16 Thread Dan Ritter
Maureen L Thomas wrote: 
> I was on the computer and stopped to eat dinner and the puter went into
> black screen as it always does if left unattended.  It would not wake up so
> I changed the batteries in my keyboard and it still would not wake up.  So I
> turned it off with the switch and then back on.  Once it was on it worked
> fine until I tried to play a you tube and found I had no sound at all.  I
> checked the sound icon on the top right of the screen and it was set where I
> always have it.  I went to the sound thing to check that I have sound and as
> I tested both speakers I heard nothing.  The computer seemed to think that
> was fine with a smiley face.

Are the speakers internal or external? If external, are they
powered up and turned on with an appropriate volume?

Does it work with headphones plugged in?

Run pavucontrol and click on the Configuration tab. It is not
rare for this subsystem to decide to select the wrong audio
output device after a reboot.

Tell us what options it offers you in the Configuration tab.


> I am on a Lenova all in one computer with Debian 9.  I have not needed any
> upgrades lately so that is not the problem as my system is kept up to date
> with all software.

I agree that this is not the problem, but you should know that
the reason you are not getting upgrades on Debian 9 is because
Debian 11 is the current stable version. 

-dsr-



Re: all of a sudden I have no sound

2021-12-16 Thread deloptes
Maureen L Thomas wrote:

> Any help would be greatly appreciated.

you were already answered before

on Debian 9 it might be you need some debugging after the shutdown via the
power switch. it could be anything from hardware to software  - the
archlinux article is good

I would start with alsamixer first

you must do the work yourself

BR

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all of a sudden I have no sound

2021-12-15 Thread Maureen L Thomas
I was on the computer and stopped to eat dinner and the puter went into 
black screen as it always does if left unattended.  It would not wake up 
so I changed the batteries in my keyboard and it still would not wake 
up.  So I turned it off with the switch and then back on.  Once it was 
on it worked fine until I tried to play a you tube and found I had no 
sound at all.  I checked the sound icon on the top right of the screen 
and it was set where I always have it.  I went to the sound thing to 
check that I have sound and as I tested both speakers I heard nothing.  
The computer seemed to think that was fine with a smiley face.


I am on a Lenova all in one computer with Debian 9.  I have not needed 
any upgrades lately so that is not the problem as my system is kept up 
to date with all software.


Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Maureen