Re: apt-get new helixcode gnome
Rogerio == Rogerio Brito [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Rogerio On Jun 04 2000, David S. Bateman wrote: Just out of curiosity, does Helix add anything to Gnome or is it just an easy install? I went to the website and looked at the screenshots and it looks pretty much like what i'm running now. (gdm,enlightenment,Gnome) RogerioHelix Gnome is more or less a specially canned version of RogerioGnome, with some cute applets and things that end users like Rogerio(like loads and loads of themes). RogerioIf you run just a vanilla X with a window manager, you might Rogeriowant to try it. But if you already use GNOME (or KDE for that Rogeriomatter), then I don't think that it's worth the trouble. RogerioIn other words, keep what you've got. I disagree! Helix Gnome is *way* better than the old Debian Gnome packages were. It's worth the upgrade!
Re: apt-get new helixcode gnome
Karl M. Hegbloom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 06/06/2000 (09:17) : I disagree! Helix Gnome is *way* better than the old Debian Gnome packages were. It's worth the upgrade! And exactly what is so much better if I may ask? -- Preben Randhol -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.pvv.org/~randhol/ Det eneste trygge stedet i verden er inne i en fortelling. -- Athol Fugard
Re: apt-get new helixcode gnome
I disagree! Helix Gnome is *way* better than the old Debian Gnome packages were. It's worth the upgrade! And exactly what is so much better if I may ask? Having installed Helixcode on a couple of users' Debian machines, they were thrilled with it. I wondered the same thing, why? In my experience, it was due to the fact that the desktop seemed more polished. That, a feeling that it was different, and especially the collection of themes were what users liked -- people seem to go for that eye candy and that can't be denied. -- Regards, | Moore's Law: Every 2 years CPU power will double. .| Randy| Gates' Law: Every 18 months software speed will halve.
Re: apt-get new helixcode gnome
Randy Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 06/06/2000 (13:15) : Having installed Helixcode on a couple of users' Debian machines, they were thrilled with it. I wondered the same thing, why? In my experience, it was due to the fact that the desktop seemed more polished. That, a feeling that it was different, and especially the collection of themes were what users liked -- people seem to go for that eye candy and that can't be denied. I see. But I was under the impression that the packages were better not the contents :-) -- Preben Randhol -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.pvv.org/~randhol/ Det eneste trygge stedet i verden er inne i en fortelling. -- Athol Fugard
Re: apt-get new helixcode gnome
I would say that it's mainly visual improvements but I like the panel that you get on the top of your desktop: it is swanky and handy. When I moved to helix, I ended up switching from enlightenment to sawfish (formerly sawmill) as they work quite well together. Overall, I'd say they've done a fine job of integrating everything and making it look great but with only a few new features. --Grant Sperry * Preben Randhol ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [000606 06:19] wrote: Randy Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 06/06/2000 (13:15) : Having installed Helixcode on a couple of users' Debian machines, they were thrilled with it. I wondered the same thing, why? In my experience, it was due to the fact that the desktop seemed more polished. That, a feeling that it was different, and especially the collection of themes were what users liked -- people seem to go for that eye candy and that can't be denied. I see. But I was under the impression that the packages were better not the contents :-) -- Preben Randhol -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.pvv.org/~randhol/ Det eneste trygge stedet i verden er inne i en fortelling. -- Athol Fugard -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- -Grant oio` They do not apprehend how being at variance it agrees with itself. --Heraclitus ioi`
Re: apt-get new helixcode gnome
Quoth Jeronimo Pellegrini, And how would you rate it? Is it worth the download? Also... Ithink I tried some pre-release of it before, not sure, but I remember a my configuration got screwed... Did it happen with helix on your box? I'm using it with an up-to-date potato system, and I must admit that I really like it. There are a lot of updates that we have not previously seen with debian packages, like the nice glowing effect when you move the mouse over a button on the panel. It also contains the latest sawfish/sawmill and heaps of themes for sawfish and gtk, so you'll probably spend hours just trying to work out what combination of themes you want to use. Also nice is how it displays proper, application-specific icons in the task-bar, rather than a generic icon for everything. I've only had one problem, which is that, from the Helix GDM, if I select GNOME, it'll just exit straight back to the GDM screen. However, I've but an .xsession file, which just starts gnome-session, and if I select Xsession in GDM, it all seems to work alright. I haven't noticed a huge change in stability, but GNOME has always been pretty stable for me anyway. I'd say that, if how your desktop looks is reasonably important to you, it's worth an upgrade. If you're more than happy with twm and a few xterms, then you probably don't need to bother :) Also worth noting is that on the helixcode site they say that you just need to do an apt-get install task-helix-gnome once you have it in your sources list. I found that you need to do an apt-get upgrade to get everything working properly (or else weird things fail in weird ways). cheers, damon -- Damon Muller ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) / It's not a sense of humor. * Criminologist / It's a sense of irony * Webmeister / disguised as one. * Linux Geek / - Bruce Sterling - Running Debian GNU/Linux: Doing my bit for World Domination (tm) - pgpcsvGVMDJgN.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: apt-get new helixcode gnome
On Jun 04 2000, David S. Bateman wrote: Just out of curiosity, does Helix add anything to Gnome or is it just an easy install? I went to the website and looked at the screenshots and it looks pretty much like what i'm running now. (gdm,enlightenment,Gnome) Helix Gnome is more or less a specially canned version of Gnome, with some cute applets and things that end users like (like loads and loads of themes). If you run just a vanilla X with a window manager, you might want to try it. But if you already use GNOME (or KDE for that matter), then I don't think that it's worth the trouble. In other words, keep what you've got. []s, Roger... -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/ Nectar homepage: http://www.linux.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/nectar/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Re: apt-get new helixcode gnome
On Jun 04 2000, Jeronimo Pellegrini wrote: :: On Sun, 4 Jun 2000 19:46:23 -0300, Rogerio Brito [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Unlike the previous posters, I've had no problems using Helix Gnome with potato. It works flawlessly (and I've even mirrored the Gnome site here so I can burn a CD of it and install for some friends in the never-ending evangelization acts :-) ). And how would you rate it? Is it worth the download? Also... Ithink I tried some pre-release of it before, not sure, but I remember a my configuration got screwed... Did it happen with helix on your box? I have been using it for a short time, but since I work for a company that is licenced with Conectiva, I'm more or less used to KDE. I think that Helix Gnome is superior. It's also *much* more stable than October Gnome (the applications don't segfault nearly as often -- to be honest, I have not had any since I've installed it). There are some small problems with same files being provided in more than one package, but they are essentially harmless and since this Helix Gnome is only a release candidate, I think that they will correct that later. This was the closest thing to being screwed in my system. It uses by default Sawmill as the window manager (now, it's called Sawfish -- see http://sawfish.sourceforge.net) and I think that this may be the only small problem to overcome: the configuration utility for Sawfish isn't complete in the sense that some of its aspects can't be configured by the program. Overall, I think that it's worth the download, when the telephone rates are lower. :-) Since I see that you are from Brazil, you might like to download it in a Sunday afternoon. :-) Oh, BTW, I'm using a pretty recent potato, if that matters. Hope this helps, Roger... -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/ Nectar homepage: http://www.linux.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/nectar/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Re: apt-get new helixcode gnome
Rogerio Brito [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 05/06/2000 (01:06) : On Jun 04 2000, Jeronimo Pellegrini wrote: I think I read somewhere in the Helix site that Helix Gnome was made available for woody only, and that they were not sure if it'd work for potato... Unlike the previous posters, I've had no problems using Helix Gnome with potato. It works flawlessly (and I've even mirrored Gnome working flawless, that sounds like an oxymoron, but then again I haven't tried Gnome 1.2 yet. Now that I have finally got hold of some potato ISO images I can. But why does the Helix Code page say that it works with woody and not potato too? Have you a pure potato installation? -- Preben Randhol -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.pvv.org/~randhol/ Det eneste trygge stedet i verden er inne i en fortelling. -- Athol Fugard
Re: apt-get new helixcode gnome
On Mon, Jun 05, 2000 at 09:11:53AM +0200, Preben Randhol wrote: Rogerio Brito [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 05/06/2000 (01:06) : On Jun 04 2000, Jeronimo Pellegrini wrote: I think I read somewhere in the Helix site that Helix Gnome was made available for woody only, and that they were not sure if it'd work for potato... Unlike the previous posters, I've had no problems using Helix Gnome with potato. It works flawlessly (and I've even mirrored Gnome working flawless, that sounds like an oxymoron, but then again I haven't tried Gnome 1.2 yet. Now that I have finally got hold of some potato ISO images I can. But why does the Helix Code page say that it works with woody and not potato too? Have you a pure potato installation? Well, I have to say most everything is working pretty well -- much better than earlier incarnations. In order to make the transition to the helix-gnome stuff though, I had to first remove all the original Debian gnome stuff. That was kind of a pain, and it remains to be seen how well the two systems will get along. That is, the Debian folks upgrade something that's also provided by the helix folks and a difference in implementation causes some weird conflict... Could be a problem. The helix gnome also has a few packages that clobber stuff that's also provided by other helix gnome packages. A definite no-no. I had the same experience, though, when using the kde debs from tdyc. Perhaps Debian should choose to mirror the helix stuff instead of duplicating it, provided the developers making the debs can be made Debian developers and they follow the policy. BTW, beware the gads of themes that come with task-helix-gnome! Lot's of disk space and longer downloads required. -- daw daw dit, daw daw daw, daw dit dit dit daw, dit dit daw dit, dit dit, dit dit dit, dit dit dit dit, daw dit dit dit daw,
Re: apt-get new helixcode gnome
Eric G . Miller egm2@jps.net wrote on 05/06/2000 (10:33) : Debian developers and they follow the policy. BTW, beware the gads of themes that come with task-helix-gnome! Lot's of disk space and longer downloads required. Is it possible to not get all the themes downloaded? -- Preben Randhol -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.pvv.org/~randhol/ Det eneste trygge stedet i verden er inne i en fortelling. -- Athol Fugard
Re: apt-get new helixcode gnome
On Mon, Jun 05, 2000 at 10:37:36AM +0200, Preben Randhol wrote: Eric G . Miller egm2@jps.net wrote on 05/06/2000 (10:33) : Debian developers and they follow the policy. BTW, beware the gads of themes that come with task-helix-gnome! Lot's of disk space and longer downloads required. Is it possible to not get all the themes downloaded? You could use dselect to select task-helix-gnome, hit enter a couple of times to resolve dependencies, then unselect task-helix-gnome, then /gtk-themes, then dselect it, then /sawfish-themes, then dselect it, then hit enter to go back to the main menu and install. The downside is that future additions to task-helix-gnome wont automatically be select for installation (not such a bad thing ;-). -- daw daw dit, daw daw daw, daw dit dit dit daw, dit dit daw dit, dit dit, dit dit dit, dit dit dit dit, daw dit dit dit daw,
apt-get new helixcode gnome
Hi all- I made an attempt to apt-get the latest gnome stuff by alterting the /etc/sources.list file to reflect the spidermonkey site as contained off of www.helixcode.com. This system I want to upgrade started life as a slink system. I never did the apt-get dist upgrade on it but things have changed quite a bit since I initially built it. It now claims to be potato when it boots. So its kind of a mix of things. When I run the apt-get install task-helixcode-gnome, I get the following output: apt-get install task-helix-gnome Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of Incoming. Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that the package is simply not installable and a bug report against that package should be filed. The following information may help to resolve the situation: Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: task-helix-gnome: Depends: task-helix-core but it is not going to be installed Depends: grip but it is not going to be installed E: Sorry, broken packages Has anyone upgraded gnome using the manual information posted on the helixcode website? -- Michael Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: apt-get new helixcode gnome
On Sun, Jun 04, 2000 at 11:24:43AM -0700, Michael Perry wrote:
Hi all-
I made an attempt to apt-get the latest gnome stuff by alterting the
/etc/sources.list file to reflect the spidermonkey site as contained off of
www.helixcode.com. This system I want to upgrade started life as a slink
system. I never did the apt-get dist upgrade on it but things have changed
quite a bit since I initially built it. It now claims to be potato when it
boots. So its kind of a mix of things.
You should probably dist-upgrade to potato. The new gnome stuff wants
the newer libc6 among other things.
When I run the apt-get install task-helixcode-gnome, I get the following
output:
apt-get install task-helix-gnome
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
apt is not lying!
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.
Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that
the package is simply not installable and a bug report against
that package should be filed.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:
Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies:
task-helix-gnome: Depends: task-helix-core but it is not going to be
installed
Depends: grip but it is not going to be installed
E: Sorry, broken packages
Has anyone upgraded gnome using the manual information posted on the
helixcode website?
Haven't done this myself...
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Re: apt-get new helixcode gnome
My system also started life as slink, and has been potato for the past few weeks. When I tried Helix Gnome I also got some error like yours about a package (as I recall it was some library rather than grip). I simply changed potato to woody in my sources.list (thought I would take the leap) and things have worked just fine since. (I have not dist-upgrade'd or even simply upgrade'd to woody, instead planning to install packages as I see fit.) I did have another problem though. I did: apt-get install task-gnome-helix and left it going unattended. When i go back what was left on the screen looked okay, but for some reason not all of the Helix gnome packages were obtained. I ended up with a mix of new and old gnome packages (things like panel and gnome-core had not been updated). I then grepped the package names that Helix supply on their ftp site and did: apt-get install list of packages This got everything else I needed (I did not install the dev packages) and now I'm happily running a very nice looking Helix Gnome. This dose not specifically sound like your problem, but it is a success installing Helix Gnome.
Re: apt-get new helixcode gnome
:: On Mon, 5 Jun 2000 07:05:07 +1000 (EST), Graham Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: My system also started life as slink, and has been potato for the past few weeks. When I tried Helix Gnome I also got some error like yours about a package (as I recall it was some library rather than grip). I simply changed potato to woody in my sources.list (thought I would take the leap) and things have worked just fine since. (I have not dist-upgrade'd or even simply upgrade'd to woody, instead planning to install packages as I see fit.) I think I read somewhere in the Helix site that Helix Gnome was made available for woody only, and that they were not sure if it'd work for potato... J. -- Jeronimo Pellegrini Institute of Computing - Unicamp - Brazil http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~jeronimo mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-get new helixcode gnome
On Jun 04 2000, Jeronimo Pellegrini wrote: I think I read somewhere in the Helix site that Helix Gnome was made available for woody only, and that they were not sure if it'd work for potato... Unlike the previous posters, I've had no problems using Helix Gnome with potato. It works flawlessly (and I've even mirrored the Gnome site here so I can burn a CD of it and install for some friends in the never-ending evangelization acts :-) ). []s, Roger... -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/ Nectar homepage: http://www.linux.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/nectar/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Re: apt-get new helixcode gnome
On Jun 04 2000, Eric G . Miller wrote: On Sun, Jun 04, 2000 at 11:24:43AM -0700, Michael Perry wrote: Has anyone upgraded gnome using the manual information posted on the helixcode website? Haven't done this myself... I have two systems here where I'm using Helixcode's Gnome, with one of them (the most important one) running potato and the other running woody (my guinea pig). Both work fine and to be honest, it works better than I thought it would work. I'm not a GUI person, but since the results on my woody system were so surprising, I decided to use it and I think that I'll stick with it in the long run. []s, Roger... -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/ Nectar homepage: http://www.linux.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/nectar/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Re: apt-get new helixcode gnome
:: On Sun, 4 Jun 2000 19:46:23 -0300, Rogerio Brito [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Unlike the previous posters, I've had no problems using Helix Gnome with potato. It works flawlessly (and I've even mirrored the Gnome site here so I can burn a CD of it and install for some friends in the never-ending evangelization acts :-) ). And how would you rate it? Is it worth the download? Also... Ithink I tried some pre-release of it before, not sure, but I remember a my configuration got screwed... Did it happen with helix on your box? []s, Roger... [], J. -- Jeronimo Pellegrini Institute of Computing - Unicamp - Brazil http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~jeronimo mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-get new helixcode gnome
Rogerio Brito wrote: On Jun 04 2000, Jeronimo Pellegrini wrote: I think I read somewhere in the Helix site that Helix Gnome was made available for woody only, and that they were not sure if it'd work for potato... Unlike the previous posters, I've had no problems using Helix Gnome with potato. It works flawlessly (and I've even mirrored the Gnome site here so I can burn a CD of it and install for some friends in the never-ending evangelization acts :-) ). []s, Roger... Just out of curiosity, does Helix add anything to Gnome or is it just an easy install? I went to the website and looked at the screenshots and it looks pretty much like what i'm running now. (gdm,enlightenment,Gnome) Thanks Dave -- Debian GNU/Linux 2.2 100% M$ free
