Re: about 64bits time_t transition and deborphan

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

Patrice Duroux wrote:
> Out of curiosity, I started this transition on some packages from
> experimental and I observed that deborphan is not without
> «disruption».
> [...]
> Is this something to be reported to deborphan as it could also be in
> some other cases than this time_t transition? or wait and see... ;-)

I guess "wait and see" for now.

The whole operation seems to be still in progress and leaves traces
in the package tracker. See e.g. section "testing migrations" in
  https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/libisoburn

The associated mailing list got notifications as bug reports 1062380 for
libisoburn and 1062381 for libisofs on february 1st. Yesterday came
bug report 1063123 for libburn.
I am curious how this will unfold further. Especially whether the new
binary package name "libisoburn1t64" will persist for future releases.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

about 64bits time_t transition and deborphan

[Patrice Duroux]

Hi,

Out of curiosity, I started this transition on some packages from
experimental and I observed that deborphan is not without
«disruption». Indeed, the added suffix t64 to their name means that
the updated libraries are listed by deborphan even if they are
required by other packages.
I suspect that deborphan did not take into account the Provides: field.
Is this something to be reported to deborphan as it could also be in
some other cases than this time_t transition? or wait and see... ;-)

Regards,
Patrice

Re: deborphan

[Hans]

> By default it does remove automatically installed packages (but not their
> configurations), see the manual page and [1]. So it's quite possible that
> it did just that on your system.
> 
> Next time you do an experiment like that, make sure to set up a suitable
> control group[2] :-)
> 
> [1] http://aptitude.alioth.debian.org/doc/en/ch02s02s06.html
> [2] e.g. by doing a dpkg --get-selections > before and another
> 
> > after and diffing the sorted results, or similar.
> 
> Regards
> -- t

Configurations can be purges with 

aptitude purge ~c

Hans

Re: deborphan

[tomas]

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On Thu, Dec 01, 2016 at 12:06:03PM +, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
> Peter Ludikovsky  writes:
> 
> > What was the output from aptitude purge? The reason I'm asking is that
> > aptitude usually auto-removes packages where the one removed was the
> > only one with dependencies.
> >
> > Regards.
> > /peter
> 
> aptitude said it was just removing , not those packages that were
> installed along with .

By default it does remove automatically installed packages (but not their
configurations), see the manual page and [1]. So it's quite possible that
it did just that on your system.

Next time you do an experiment like that, make sure to set up a suitable
control group[2] :-)

[1] http://aptitude.alioth.debian.org/doc/en/ch02s02s06.html
[2] e.g. by doing a dpkg --get-selections > before and another
> after and diffing the sorted results, or similar.

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Re: deborphan

[Rodolfo Medina]

Peter Ludikovsky <pe...@ludikovsky.name> writes:

> What was the output from aptitude purge? The reason I'm asking is that
> aptitude usually auto-removes packages where the one removed was the
> only one with dependencies.
>
> Regards.
> /peter

aptitude said it was just removing , not those packages that were
installed along with .

Rodolfo

>
> On 12/01/2016 12:26 PM, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
>> I did a little experiment with deborphan: first I did: `aptitude install
>> ', and along with it a certain number of other packages were
>> installed.  Then I did: `aptitude purge ' followed by `deborphan'
>> but in the output of `deborphan' none of those packages that were installed
>> along with  was present.  Is that normal?
>> 
>> Thanks for any help,
>> 
>> Rodolfo
>> 

Re: deborphan

[Peter Ludikovsky]

What was the output from aptitude purge? The reason I'm asking is that
aptitude usually auto-removes packages where the one removed was the
only one with dependencies.

Regards.
/peter

On 12/01/2016 12:26 PM, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
> I did a little experiment with deborphan: first I did: `aptitude install
> ', and along with it a certain number of other packages were
> installed.  Then I did: `aptitude purge ' followed by `deborphan' but
> in the output of `deborphan' none of those packages that were installed along
> with  was present.  Is that normal?
> 
> Thanks for any help,
> 
> Rodolfo
> 



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Re: deborphan

[Hans]

Am Donnerstag, 1. Dezember 2016, 11:49:20 CET schrieb Rodolfo Medina:
> Nicolas George <geo...@nsup.org> writes:
> > Le primidi 11 frimaire, an CCXXV, Rodolfo Medina a écrit :

> Same result: none of them.
> 
> Rodolfo

Try 

aptitude purge `deborphan --guess-all`

But look, what is going to be deinstalled. In rare cases it might uninstall a 
needed lib. If so, just reinstall that again. But as I said: it will appear in 
very rare cases. On my system I only needed to reinstall a lib only one time 
in the last 12 months.

Good luck!

Hans

Re: deborphan

[Rodolfo Medina]

Nicolas George <geo...@nsup.org> writes:

> Le primidi 11 frimaire, an CCXXV, Rodolfo Medina a écrit :
>> I did a little experiment with deborphan: first I did: `aptitude install
>> ', and along with it a certain number of other packages were
>> installed.  Then I did: `aptitude purge ' followed by `deborphan'
>> but in the output of `deborphan' none of those packages that were installed
>> along with  was present.  Is that normal?
>
> By default, deborphan shows only packages that it finds unlikely to be
> installed for themselves: libraries, transitional packages, etc. Use
> option -a to get them all.

Same result: none of them.

Rodolfo

Re: deborphan

[Nicolas George]

Le primidi 11 frimaire, an CCXXV, Rodolfo Medina a écrit :
> I did a little experiment with deborphan: first I did: `aptitude install
> ', and along with it a certain number of other packages were
> installed.  Then I did: `aptitude purge ' followed by `deborphan' but
> in the output of `deborphan' none of those packages that were installed along
> with  was present.  Is that normal?

By default, deborphan shows only packages that it finds unlikely to be
installed for themselves: libraries, transitional packages, etc. Use
option -a to get them all.


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deborphan

[Rodolfo Medina]

I did a little experiment with deborphan: first I did: `aptitude install
', and along with it a certain number of other packages were
installed.  Then I did: `aptitude purge ' followed by `deborphan' but
in the output of `deborphan' none of those packages that were installed along
with  was present.  Is that normal?

Thanks for any help,

Rodolfo

Re: [deborphan]

[giggzounet]

Le 20/11/2011 20:16, zut...@laposte.net a écrit :
 Bonjour,
 
 Je viens de découvrir cette application.
 
 Comment savoir si les packages lister sont bien inutile?
 
 

Salut,

je combine en général deborphan et aptitude. Je regarde ce que deborphan
me sort comme paquet orphelin et je vais regarder dans aptitude de quoi
il s'agit. Typiquement tu as le cas où une appli dépendant d'une
librairie lib1 a été mise à jour. L'appli dépend de lib2. lib1 n'a pas
été marquée comme installée automatiquement donc reste et est
orpheline. Ce type de paquet tu peux supprimer sans stresser.

Deborphan me renvoir parfois des paquets qui sont marqués comme
essentiel. ça je n'enlève pas.

Bye
Guillaume

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Re: [deborphan]

[Zuthos]

giggzounet a écrit :
| Le 20/11/2011 20:16, zut...@laposte.net a écrit :
|  Bonjour,
|  
|  Je viens de découvrir cette application.
|  
|  Comment savoir si les packages lister sont bien inutile?
|  
|  
| 
| Salut,
| 
| je combine en général deborphan et aptitude. Je regarde ce que deborphan
| me sort comme paquet orphelin et je vais regarder dans aptitude de quoi
| il s'agit. Typiquement tu as le cas où une appli dépendant d'une
| librairie lib1 a été mise à jour. L'appli dépend de lib2. lib1 n'a pas
| été marquée comme installée automatiquement donc reste et est
| orpheline. Ce type de paquet tu peux supprimer sans stresser.
| 
| Deborphan me renvoir parfois des paquets qui sont marqués comme
| essentiel. ça je n'enlève pas.
| 
| Bye
| Guillaume
| 


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[zuthos]

Bonjour,

Je viens de découvrir cette application.

Comment savoir si les packages lister sont bien inutile?


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Re: [deborphan]

[Aeris]

zut...@laposte.net wrote:

 Comment savoir si les packages lister sont bien inutile?

En les supprimant ? =)
Si apt veut virer autre chose avec, c'est qu'il est utile.

Mais généralement, deborphan ne se trompe jamais.

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diff na saída do deborphan

[Gunther Furtado]

Olá,

Desde o feriado, o diff (pacote essencial) está constando da saída do
comando deborphan. Não achei nada no google nem nos bugs do deborphan
ou do diff. Será que é o caso de um bugreport?

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Re: diff na saída do deborphan

[Flavio M Matsumoto]

Na última atualização notei que foi instalado o pacote novo diffutils.
Será que o diff não fora apenas renomeado?

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Gunther Furtado escreveu:
 Olá,

 Desde o feriado, o diff (pacote essencial) está constando da saída do
 comando deborphan. Não achei nada no google nem nos bugs do deborphan
 ou do diff. Será que é o caso de um bugreport?

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Re: diff na saída do deborphan

[Gunther Furtado]

Oi,

2009/9/10 Flavio M Matsumoto fmats...@ufpr.br:
 Na última atualização notei que foi instalado o pacote novo diffutils.
 Será que o diff não fora apenas renomeado?


Aparentemente, não. Parece que o diffutils provê o diff não o substitui.


File comparison utilities

The diffutils package provides the diff, diff3, sdiff, and cmp programs.

`diff' shows differences between two files, or each corresponding file
in two directories. `cmp' shows the offsets and line numbers where two
files differ. `cmp' can also show all the characters that differ
between the two files, side by side. `diff3' shows differences among
three files. `sdiff' merges two files interactively.

The set of differences produced by `diff' can be used to distribute
updates to text files (such as program source code) to other people.
This method is especially useful when the differences are small
compared to the complete files. Given `diff' output, the `patch'
program can update, or patch, a copy of the file.
--

retirado de:

http://packages.debian.org/sid/diffutils

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Re: diff na saída do deborphan

[Tiago Saboga]

Gunther Furtado gunfurt...@gmail.com writes:

 Oi,

 2009/9/10 Flavio M Matsumoto fmats...@ufpr.br:
 Na última atualização notei que foi instalado o pacote novo diffutils.
 Será que o diff não fora apenas renomeado?


 Aparentemente, não. Parece que o diffutils provê o diff não o substitui.

Olhe o changelog.Debian, e verá que é realmente o mesmo pacote. Não fui
olhar o bug que é referenciado lá, mas suponho que a mudança de nome
seja exatamente para fazer do diff um pacote virtual, de maneira que
você possa escolher entre diferentes pacotes que fornecem a mesma
funcionalidade. Mas essa última parte é chute mesmo ;)

Veja, aliás, a descrição do pacote diff: é um pacote de transição para
diffutils.

[]s,

Tiago.


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deborphan is a wonderful utility

[Robert P. J. Day]

  much thanks to whoever suggested deborphan recently to help me
clean out unused libraries.  i've been fairly conservative with it,
getting rid of libs a bit at a time and making sure things still run.

  someone else locally suggested to just throw caution to the winds
and run:

  # aptitude purge $(deborphan)

in fact, run it until it stopped making a difference.  is there any
way that can cause problems?

  theoretically, i can see that it shouldn't cause any breakage.  but
i was curious when i noticed that libhal1 on this etch system is
listed as an orphan.

  coming from a fedora universe, i always thought of the HAL layer as
fairly fundamental, but i guess i've stripped this server down far
enough that even the HAL library isn't being used anymore.

  so is removing orphaned libs in bulk a safe thing to do?  it would
*seem* to be but i just want to be sure.  thanks.

  a couple more questions coming shortly.

rday

p.s.  starting with a server that had just over 600 packages, i'm now
down to 460, with no loss in functionality.  hopefully, this will make
that final upgrade as safe as possible.

p.p.s.  i'm starting to like this debian thing more and more.  :-)

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Re: deborphan is a wonderful utility

[Mark Allums]

Robert P. J. Day wrote:


  theoretically, i can see that it shouldn't cause any breakage.  but
i was curious when i noticed that libhal1 on this etch system is
listed as an orphan.

  coming from a fedora universe, i always thought of the HAL layer as
fairly fundamental, but i guess i've stripped this server down far
enough that even the HAL library isn't being used anymore.


Possibly libhal1 was replaced by a differently named version.  This 
happens occasionally, although usually apt/aptitude/Synaptic handles it 
properly.


Or possibly not; my system has libhal1, and it is shown to be available 
in Stable, Testing, and Unstable versions (Lenny, Squeeze, and Sid).  A 
whole slew of things depends on it, such as several parts of X, so you 
must be correct, and your system is pretty minimal.


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Re: deborphan is a wonderful utility

[Robert P. J. Day]

On Tue, 25 Aug 2009, Mark Allums wrote:

 Robert P. J. Day wrote:

theoretically, i can see that it shouldn't cause any breakage.
  but i was curious when i noticed that libhal1 on this etch
  system is listed as an orphan.
 
coming from a fedora universe, i always thought of the HAL layer
  as fairly fundamental, but i guess i've stripped this server down
  far enough that even the HAL library isn't being used anymore.

 Possibly libhal1 was replaced by a differently named version.  This
 happens occasionally, although usually apt/aptitude/Synaptic handles
 it properly.

 Or possibly not; my system has libhal1, and it is shown to be
 available in Stable, Testing, and Unstable versions (Lenny, Squeeze,
 and Sid).  A whole slew of things depends on it, such as several
 parts of X, so you must be correct, and your system is pretty
 minimal.

  the minimal part appears to be correct.  it's a back-room server,
ssh-accessible only, no X.  i've been removing things to the point
where i'm now down below 450 packages.  i'm a big believer in
simplicity.

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Re: deborphan is a wonderful utility

[Andrei Popescu]

On Tue,25.Aug.09, 05:00:07, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
 
   the minimal part appears to be correct.  it's a back-room server,
 ssh-accessible only, no X.  i've been removing things to the point
 where i'm now down below 450 packages.  i'm a big believer in
 simplicity.

You might want to disable recommends then:

,[ /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/00local ]
| // This machine is on diet
| APT::Install-Recommends false;
`

But do check the recommends of a package before filing bugs for 
missing functionality ;)

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Re: deborphan is a wonderful utility

[Nuno Magalhães]

fslint and cruft are also helpful in keeping a system clean, by
finding out duplicate files, broken links, etc.

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Re: deborphan is a wonderful utility

[Michael Ekstrand]

Robert P. J. Day wrote:
   much thanks to whoever suggested deborphan recently to help me
 clean out unused libraries.  i've been fairly conservative with it,
 getting rid of libs a bit at a time and making sure things still run.

 p.s.  starting with a server that had just over 600 packages, i'm now
 down to 460, with no loss in functionality.  hopefully, this will make
 that final upgrade as safe as possible.
 
 p.p.s.  i'm starting to like this debian thing more and more.  :-)

If you like deborphan, you might also like Aptitude's automatic
packages.  If a package is marked as Automatically installed (do this
with M), then it will be removed once nothing else depends on it.  I
find it invaluable for keeping my system pruned on a regular basis.
Also, if I'm going through and don't know if I need something, I'll mark
it automatic and see if it goes away.

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Re: deborphan is a wonderful utility

[Celejar]

On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 02:07:35 -0400 (EDT)
Robert P. J. Day rpj...@crashcourse.ca wrote:

...

 p.s.  starting with a server that had just over 600 packages, i'm now
 down to 460, with no loss in functionality.  hopefully, this will make
 that final upgrade as safe as possible.

Just as a miscellaneous reference point, I recently reinstalled Debian
on my laptop, partly in order to move to full disk encryption, and
partly as a drastic way to remove accumulated cruft.  Instead of doing
the --get-selection --set-selection thing, I just did a minimal install
and then added things back as I needed them.  I currently have 624
packages installed, and that's with build-essential, X, a large chunk
of Xfce (but not all of it), several (mostly relatively lightweight) X
apps (liferea, sylpheed, geany, mplayer), iceweasel, openoffice.org
writer, and sundry other stuff.

 p.p.s.  i'm starting to like this debian thing more and more.  :-)

+1

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deborphan 1.7.25

[Marcos Delgado]

Hola.
Para confirmar, antes de ver como reportar un bug, sí lo es.
¿Alguien que use debian Sid y deborphan tiene el siguiente mensaje?

deborphan
deborphan: The status file is in an improper state.
One or more packages are marked as half-installed, half-configured,
unpacked, triggers-awaited or triggers-pending. Exiting.

Pero no veo ningún paquete con esas características.
¿Alguien sabe como se comprueba el estado del archivo status?, para
descartar que el problema sea de mi computadora.

La versión anterior trabaja sin problemas.

Saludos.
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Re: Using deborphan

[Bob Proulx]

Csányi Pál wrote:
 Is there an automated way to do this task out there?

Try 'orphaner'.

  sudo orphaner

Or

  sudo orphaner --purge

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Re: Using deborphan

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On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 18:45:01 -0400, Rick Pasotto wrote:

 On Fri, Aug 17, 2007 at 08:23:12AM +1000, Wei Wang wrote:
 I recommend you always use Aptitude as your primary package manager.
 It automatically delete orphaned packages.

Yep, second to that, aptitude alone can do the job quite well. No need the
deborphan. For details check out:

aptitude advantages
http://xpt.sourceforge.net/techdocs/nix/distro/debian/deb10-AptitudeRelated/index.html#_aptitude_advantages

 What if I'm still using that program? I don't *want* it deleted. Just
 because it's not being maintained is no reason to delete it. So long as
 it still runs and is useful it should *not* be deleted.

Aha, there are actually two kind of orphaned packages here, I guess the
name deborphan and its explanation should be blamed for the confusion. In
fact, 

No, aptitude will never delete unmaintained packages. It is not a criteria
at all. The correct saying is that automatically installed packages will
be uninstalled as soon as they are no longer needed...

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Re: Using deborphan

[Sven Joachim]

Mumia W.. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On 08/16/2007 05:45 PM, Rick Pasotto wrote:
 On Fri, Aug 17, 2007 at 08:23:12AM +1000, Wei Wang wrote:
 I recommend you always use Aptitude as your primary package
 manager. It automatically delete orphaned packages.

 What if I'm still using that program? I don't *want* it
 deleted. Just because it's not being maintained is no reason to
 delete it. So long as it still runs and is useful it should *not* be
 deleted.


 Then use aptitude to change that program's status to hold:

 aptitude hold gpm

No, this is not what you want.  You need to tell aptitude that the
package is manually installed, which can be achieved by

aptitude unmarkauto gpm

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Using deborphan

[Csányi Pál]

Hello!

I purge the orphaned packages on a Debian system:
sudo deborphan | less

and then copy / paste to the aptitude search, and then purge in aptitude.

Is there an automated way to do this task out there?

man deborphan and man aptitude dont shows any suggestion about that.

I try:
sudo deborphan | aptitude purge

but this does nothing.

On this system I purged the X Window system, so there are only the consoles out 
there.


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Re: Using deborphan

[wimpunk]

Csányi Pál wrote:
 Hello!
 
 I purge the orphaned packages on a Debian system:
 sudo deborphan | less
 
 and then copy / paste to the aptitude search, and then purge in aptitude.
 
 Is there an automated way to do this task out there?
 
 man deborphan and man aptitude dont shows any suggestion about that.
 
 I try:
 sudo deborphan | aptitude purge
 
 but this does nothing.
 

aptitude purge $(deborphan)


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Re: Using deborphan

[Sven Joachim]

Csányi Pál [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I purge the orphaned packages on a Debian system:
 sudo deborphan | less

 and then copy / paste to the aptitude search, and then purge in aptitude.

 Is there an automated way to do this task out there?

 man deborphan and man aptitude dont shows any suggestion about that.

 I try:
 sudo deborphan | aptitude purge

 but this does nothing.

You can do

sudo aptitude purge $(deborphan)

, but a better way may be to use orphaner(8), included in the
deborphan package.

Sven


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Re: Using deborphan

[Johannes Tax]

Hello,

On [Thu, 16.08.2007 08:19], Csányi Pál wrote:
 I try:
 sudo deborphan | aptitude purge

dpkg --purge `deborphan`

executed as root will do the job. 

Johannes


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Re: Using deborphan

[Mihamina Rakotomandimby]

On Thu, 2007-08-16 at 08:19 +0200, Csányi Pál wrote:
 Hello!

Hi,

 I purge the orphaned packages on a Debian system:

One line/instruction with debfoster.
apt-get autoremove also does some interesting things.


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Re: Using deborphan

[dulev]

  I purge the orphaned packages on a Debian system:
 
 One line/instruction with debfoster.
 apt-get autoremove also does some interesting things.

But not in the Etch with apt version 0.6.. :)


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Re: Using deborphan

[Wei Wang]

I recommend you always use Aptitude as your primary package manager. It
automatically delete orphaned packages.

Regards

On Thu, 2007-08-16 at 08:19 +0200, Csányi Pál wrote:
 Hello!
 
 I purge the orphaned packages on a Debian system:
 sudo deborphan | less
 
 and then copy / paste to the aptitude search, and then purge in aptitude.
 
 Is there an automated way to do this task out there?
 
 man deborphan and man aptitude dont shows any suggestion about that.
 
 I try:
 sudo deborphan | aptitude purge
 
 but this does nothing.
 
 On this system I purged the X Window system, so there are only the consoles 
 out 
 there.
 
 
 Any advice will be appreciated!
 


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Re: Using deborphan

[Rick Pasotto]

On Fri, Aug 17, 2007 at 08:23:12AM +1000, Wei Wang wrote:
 I recommend you always use Aptitude as your primary package manager.
 It automatically delete orphaned packages.

What if I'm still using that program? I don't *want* it deleted. Just
because it's not being maintained is no reason to delete it. So long as
it still runs and is useful it should *not* be deleted.

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Re: Using deborphan

[Mumia W..]

On 08/16/2007 05:45 PM, Rick Pasotto wrote:

On Fri, Aug 17, 2007 at 08:23:12AM +1000, Wei Wang wrote:
I recommend you always use Aptitude as your primary package manager. 
It automatically delete orphaned packages.


What if I'm still using that program? I don't *want* it deleted. Just 
because it's not being maintained is no reason to delete it. So long as 
it still runs and is useful it should *not* be deleted.




Then use aptitude to change that program's status to hold:

aptitude hold gpm




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Re: deborphan

[Matus UHLAR - fantomas]

 On Tue, 2007-02-06 at 17:00 +0100, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:
  On 03.02.07 17:21, Greg Folkert wrote:
   Funny, I was under the impression Deborphan was deprecated. Aptitude
   supposedly gives you similar functionality.
  
  oh, no. I don't like aptitude and still use dselect, I hope i won't be
  pushed into using aptitude ...

On 06.02.07 12:55, Greg Folkert wrote:
 Sorry I sent the last message off before I put in:
 
 http://www.fruit.je/debfoster/
 
 So, debfoster is toast. Not deborphan.

even worse, i found debfoster even more usefull than deborphan ...
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Re: deborphan

[Matus UHLAR - fantomas]

On 03.02.07 17:21, Greg Folkert wrote:
 Funny, I was under the impression Deborphan was deprecated. Aptitude
 supposedly gives you similar functionality.

oh, no. I don't like aptitude and still use dselect, I hope i won't be
pushed into using aptitude ...

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Re: deborphan

[Greg Folkert]

On Tue, 2007-02-06 at 17:00 +0100, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:
 On 03.02.07 17:21, Greg Folkert wrote:
  Funny, I was under the impression Deborphan was deprecated. Aptitude
  supposedly gives you similar functionality.
 
 oh, no. I don't like aptitude and still use dselect, I hope i won't be
 pushed into using aptitude ...

You have the same reason in mind for why I said supposedly.
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Re: deborphan

[Greg Folkert]

On Tue, 2007-02-06 at 17:00 +0100, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:
 On 03.02.07 17:21, Greg Folkert wrote:
  Funny, I was under the impression Deborphan was deprecated. Aptitude
  supposedly gives you similar functionality.
 
 oh, no. I don't like aptitude and still use dselect, I hope i won't be
 pushed into using aptitude ...

Sorry I sent the last message off before I put in:

http://www.fruit.je/debfoster/

So, debfoster is toast. Not deborphan.


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Re: deborphan

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:

On Sat, Feb 03, 2007 at 05:01:08PM +0100, Gerard Robin wrote:

On Sat, Feb 03, 2007 at 10:21:04AM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:

From: Roberto C. Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: deborphan
Mail-Followup-To: Roberto C. Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED],
On Sat, Feb 03, 2007 at 03:34:10PM +0100, Gerard Robin wrote:

can I remove merely this packages ?

That depends.  Do you use any of them?
it is why I asked advices, by example: 
if I remove libc6-i386 and after that I install a package x.deb which 
needs it, will libc6-i386 be reinstalled as dependency of the package 
x.deb ?



If a package depends on it, deborphan won't show it.  Perhaps I was a
bit too terse in my reply.  Basically, you need to know if *you* have
compile any software yourself that makes use of those libraries.  If you
have, then don't remove them.  If you only have Debian packages on your
system (no self-compiled software), then you are good to go.



Meaning, if you have explicitly asked for any of these packages then 
they will also show up this way. What was your reason? Compiling 
software will mostly be '-dev' packages.



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Re: deborphan

[Michael Pobega]

Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:

On Sat, Feb 03, 2007 at 05:01:08PM +0100, Gerard Robin wrote:

On Sat, Feb 03, 2007 at 10:21:04AM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:

From: Roberto C. Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: deborphan
Mail-Followup-To: Roberto C. Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED],
On Sat, Feb 03, 2007 at 03:34:10PM +0100, Gerard Robin wrote:

can I remove merely this packages ?

That depends.  Do you use any of them?
it is why I asked advices, by example: if I remove libc6-i386 and 
after that I install a package x.deb which needs it, will libc6-i386 
be reinstalled as dependency of the package x.deb ?



If a package depends on it, deborphan won't show it.  Perhaps I was a
bit too terse in my reply.  Basically, you need to know if *you* have
compile any software yourself that makes use of those libraries.  If you
have, then don't remove them.  If you only have Debian packages on your
system (no self-compiled software), then you are good to go.



Meaning, if you have explicitly asked for any of these packages then 
they will also show up this way. What was your reason? Compiling 
software will mostly be '-dev' packages.



To the original sender: Just for future reference, you can avoid the 
chance of breaking something with Deborphan by using aptitude install of 
apt-get in the future. As long as you use only aptitude (And not 
apt-get) it should uninstall unused libraries alongside programs.



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deborphan

[Gerard Robin]

Hello,
my processor is AMD turion 64 x2 TL50.
dist: etch.

deborphan gives:

libgmp3c2
libpisync0
libopal-2.2.0
libident
libtextwrap1
liblzo2-2
libmagick9
libc6-i386
libieee1284-3
libosp5
libpt-plugins-v4l
libgnome-pilot2
libjaxp1.2-java
libnm-glib0
libsigc++-1.2-5c2
libpt-plugins-alsa
libldap-2.3-0

can I remove merely this packages ?

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Re: deborphan

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

On Sat, Feb 03, 2007 at 03:34:10PM +0100, Gerard Robin wrote:
 
 can I remove merely this packages ?
 
That depends.  Do you use any of them?

Regards,

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Re: deborphan

[Clive Menzies]

On (03/02/07 15:34), Gerard Robin wrote:
 Hello,
 my processor is AMD turion 64 x2 TL50.
 dist: etch.
 
 deborphan gives:
 
 libgmp3c2
 libpisync0
 libopal-2.2.0
 libident
 libtextwrap1
 liblzo2-2
 libmagick9
 libc6-i386
 libieee1284-3
 libosp5
 libpt-plugins-v4l
 libgnome-pilot2
 libjaxp1.2-java
 libnm-glib0
 libsigc++-1.2-5c2
 libpt-plugins-alsa
 libldap-2.3-0
 
 can I remove merely this packages ?

Yes you can.

see man deborphan

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[macondo]

--- Clive Menzies [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On (03/02/07 15:34), Gerard Robin wrote:
  Hello,
  my processor is AMD turion 64 x2 TL50.
  dist: etch.
  
  deborphan gives:
  
  libgmp3c2
  libpisync0
  libopal-2.2.0
  libident
  libtextwrap1
  liblzo2-2
  libmagick9
  libc6-i386
  libieee1284-3
  libosp5
  libpt-plugins-v4l
  libgnome-pilot2
  libjaxp1.2-java
  libnm-glib0
  libsigc++-1.2-5c2
  libpt-plugins-alsa
  libldap-2.3-0
  
  can I remove merely this packages ?
 
 Yes you can.
 
 see man deborphan
 

To remove them:

# deborphan | xargs dpkg -P



 

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Re: deborphan

[Gerard Robin]

On Sat, Feb 03, 2007 at 10:21:04AM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:

From: Roberto C. Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: deborphan
Mail-Followup-To: Roberto C. Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED],
On Sat, Feb 03, 2007 at 03:34:10PM +0100, Gerard Robin wrote:

can I remove merely this packages ?

That depends.  Do you use any of them?
it is why I asked advices, by example: 
if I remove libc6-i386 and after that I install a package x.deb which 
needs it, will libc6-i386 be reinstalled as dependency of the package 
x.deb ?


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Re: deborphan

[Roman Stöckl-Schmidt]

Gerard Robin schrieb:

On Sat, Feb 03, 2007 at 10:21:04AM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:

From: Roberto C. Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: deborphan
Mail-Followup-To: Roberto C. Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED],
On Sat, Feb 03, 2007 at 03:34:10PM +0100, Gerard Robin wrote:

can I remove merely this packages ?

That depends.  Do you use any of them?
it is why I asked advices, by example: if I remove libc6-i386 and after 
that I install a package x.deb which needs it, will libc6-i386 be 
reinstalled as dependency of the package x.deb ?


Yes, the package wouldn't be able to install faultlessly if the 
dependencies weren't met, that's the whole point.
I've never used deborphan but if it finds that these packages aren't 
used anymore than you can safely remove them, because:


a.) Debian packages are commonly well tested, so generally every package 
is expected to do what it should. (Sounds pretty superficial, but imho 
problems with software in debian arise mostly from the fact that it was 
not installed in a debian way or the user doesn't know the software well 
enough to configure it the way he wants to use it)
b.) Its a package dealing with a package format that originated from and 
was developed for debian, so if a. is to be untrue 20% of the time then 
this will make the probability of a being untrue 1% (I sense this is 
gonna turn out to be a comical coders-short ;))
c.) I don't know exactly how deporphan works but my guess is that it 
parses the dpkg-database for all the packages installed, reads their 
dependencies and then rules out which packages are installed but are 
neither marked as having been manually installed nor are being depended 
upon by any of the other packages installed. Pretty easy I'd say. And as 
an additional debugger it gives you (the user) a list of all the 
packages that match the above named criteria. So, essentially the chance 
of wrecking your system by uninstalling the suggested packages should be 
pretty low. ( I know I'm one sardonic bastard, but I like it, AND this 
is my honest opinion)


Cheerio, Roman.

So


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Re: deborphan

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Gerard Robin wrote:

Hello,
my processor is AMD turion 64 x2 TL50.
dist: etch.

deborphan gives:



and mine gives:
liblzo2-2
libttf-dev
libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2
libdivxdecore0
libsigc++-1.2-5c2
libstdc++5
libgnutls11
libldap-2.3-0

which is funny because I just installed the Sid system from scratch:
190 packages. No more no less. Of course they pulled in other 
dependencies: total 796.


And these?

Hugo



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Re: deborphan

[Greg Folkert]

On Sat, 2007-02-03 at 15:34 +0100, Gerard Robin wrote:
 Hello,
 my processor is AMD turion 64 x2 TL50.
 dist: etch.
 
 deborphan gives:
 
 libgmp3c2
 libpisync0
 libopal-2.2.0
 libident
 libtextwrap1
 liblzo2-2
 libmagick9
 libc6-i386
 libieee1284-3
 libosp5
 libpt-plugins-v4l
 libgnome-pilot2
 libjaxp1.2-java
 libnm-glib0
 libsigc++-1.2-5c2
 libpt-plugins-alsa
 libldap-2.3-0
 
 can I remove merely this packages ?

Funny, I was under the impression Deborphan was deprecated. Aptitude
supposedly gives you similar functionality.

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Re: deborphan

[Mehmet Fatih Akbulut]

deborphan | xargs dpkg --purge

On 2/3/07, Gerard Robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hello,
my processor is AMD turion 64 x2 TL50.
dist: etch.

deborphan gives:

libgmp3c2
libpisync0
libopal-2.2.0
libident
libtextwrap1
liblzo2-2
libmagick9
libc6-i386
libieee1284-3
libosp5
libpt-plugins-v4l
libgnome-pilot2
libjaxp1.2-java
libnm-glib0
libsigc++-1.2-5c2
libpt-plugins-alsa
libldap-2.3-0

can I remove merely this packages ?

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Re: deborphan

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

On Sat, Feb 03, 2007 at 05:01:08PM +0100, Gerard Robin wrote:
 On Sat, Feb 03, 2007 at 10:21:04AM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
 From: Roberto C. Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
 Subject: Re: deborphan
 Mail-Followup-To: Roberto C. Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED],
 On Sat, Feb 03, 2007 at 03:34:10PM +0100, Gerard Robin wrote:
 can I remove merely this packages ?
 That depends.  Do you use any of them?
 it is why I asked advices, by example: 
 if I remove libc6-i386 and after that I install a package x.deb which 
 needs it, will libc6-i386 be reinstalled as dependency of the package 
 x.deb ?
 
If a package depends on it, deborphan won't show it.  Perhaps I was a
bit too terse in my reply.  Basically, you need to know if *you* have
compile any software yourself that makes use of those libraries.  If you
have, then don't remove them.  If you only have Debian packages on your
system (no self-compiled software), then you are good to go.

Regards,

-Roberto

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Re: Reliability of deborphan?

[Daniel Haude]

On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 14:07:24 +0100, Rob Bochan [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:



you what's safe to delete. In one instance, the Opera browser has (had?)
motif dependencies. However, because Opera is not a Debian package, and
doesn't actually fail to install without the libmotif package, deborphan  
will

happily tell you that that the libmotif package is on its orphaned (no
dependencies on it) list.


Just for information - Opera is being distributed as a .deb since at least  
version 6, and at least the current version I'm running (9) doesn't have  
any motif dependencies. It probably hasn't for some time because I've been  
using it since 6 and can't recall having thrown out motif.


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Re: Reliability of deborphan?

[Douglas Tutty]

On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 11:54:55AM +, andy wrote:
 Hey all
 
 I've stumbled across references to deborphan to help maintain my 
 system. I've installed it and read the man so think that I have a 
 reasonable basic knowledge for what it is meant to do, so have run 
 deborphan -zs and have been given a list of files. In theory, I should 
 be able to zap these to recycle the electrons and save space. But ... 
 how reliable is deborphan in identifying truly-orphaned-safe-to-delete 
 files ?
 
 Any body have experience to share?
 

I tried deborphan and debfoster before I tried aptitude.  I found
aptitude far superior.  Use aptitude in the UI mode (not the command
line mode), set it to not automatically install recommends or suggests,
and go down the list of installed packages and mark anything that you
don't specifically want installed as automaic (toggle with M and m).
When you think that you have everything right, hit 'g' for go and it
will give you a list of packages to remove (and suggests others but
doesn't select them).  If there is anything on this list that you
missed, mark it here as manual.  When you're happy, hit 'g' again and it
will remove extraneous packages.

After this, it will manage the packages with no further detail tweaking
like this.  Its great.

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Re: Reliability of deborphan?

[Andrei Popescu]

On Wed, Dec 13, 2006 at 08:33:15PM -0500, Douglas Tutty wrote:
 On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 11:54:55AM +, andy wrote:
  Hey all
  
  I've stumbled across references to deborphan to help maintain my 
  system. I've installed it and read the man so think that I have a 
  reasonable basic knowledge for what it is meant to do, so have run 
  deborphan -zs and have been given a list of files. In theory, I should 
  be able to zap these to recycle the electrons and save space. But ... 
  how reliable is deborphan in identifying truly-orphaned-safe-to-delete 
  files ?
  
  Any body have experience to share?
  
 
 I tried deborphan and debfoster before I tried aptitude.  I found
 aptitude far superior.  Use aptitude in the UI mode (not the command
 line mode), set it to not automatically install recommends or suggests,
 and go down the list of installed packages and mark anything that you
 don't specifically want installed as automaic (toggle with M and m).
 When you think that you have everything right, hit 'g' for go and it
 will give you a list of packages to remove (and suggests others but
 doesn't select them).  If there is anything on this list that you
 missed, mark it here as manual.  When you're happy, hit 'g' again and it
 will remove extraneous packages.
 
 After this, it will manage the packages with no further detail tweaking
 like this.  Its great.

I did the same yesterday. It saved me 50+ MB :D

Regards,
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Reliability of deborphan?

[andy]

Hey all

I've stumbled across references to deborphan to help maintain my 
system. I've installed it and read the man so think that I have a 
reasonable basic knowledge for what it is meant to do, so have run 
deborphan -zs and have been given a list of files. In theory, I should 
be able to zap these to recycle the electrons and save space. But ... 
how reliable is deborphan in identifying truly-orphaned-safe-to-delete 
files ?


Any body have experience to share?

Cheers

/A


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Re: Reliability of deborphan?

[Matus UHLAR - fantomas]

On 12.12.06 11:54, andy wrote:
 I've stumbled across references to deborphan to help maintain my 
 system. I've installed it and read the man so think that I have a 
 reasonable basic knowledge for what it is meant to do, so have run 
 deborphan -zs and have been given a list of files. In theory, I should 
 be able to zap these to recycle the electrons and save space. But ... 
 how reliable is deborphan in identifying truly-orphaned-safe-to-delete 
 files ?

Well, deborphan by default (even with -zs options) prints all packages in
sections libs and oldlibs that no package depends on.

However, there may be packages in such sections, that are being used, e.g.
pam libraries which are used in /etc/pam.d/* configs, like libpam-cracklib.

Also, there may be other documentation and support packages that should not
be removed. deborphan can give you good hint which packages to remove, but
you should know what you are doing and double-check everything.

There is nice tool debfoster, which walks all packages, asks you which do
you want to have installed, and removes all packages you answered 'n' for
and are not required by other packages you answered 'y'.

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Re: Reliability of deborphan?

[Rob Bochan]

On Tuesday 12 December 2006 06:54, andy wrote:
 Hey all

 I've stumbled across references to deborphan to help maintain my
 system. I've installed it and read the man so think that I have a
 reasonable basic knowledge for what it is meant to do, so have run
 deborphan -zs and have been given a list of files. In theory, I should
 be able to zap these to recycle the electrons and save space. But ...
 how reliable is deborphan in identifying truly-orphaned-safe-to-delete
 files ?

 Any body have experience to share?

While it _will_ tell you what packages are orphaned, it won't necessarily tell 
you what's safe to delete. In one instance, the Opera browser has (had?) 
motif dependencies. However, because Opera is not a Debian package, and 
doesn't actually fail to install without the libmotif package, deborphan will 
happily tell you that that the libmotif package is on its orphaned (no 
dependencies on it) list. Once libmotif is removed, Opera will fail to start. 
I haven't used Opera recently, so I don't know whether or not that's still 
the case. This wasn't a failure of deborphan though, I'm in the mind-frame 
that it was a failure in the Opera package, by not having the dependency on 
the libmotif package. IMO, if you're going to package something for a Debian 
system, why not do it right.
Another example has been the libdvdcss package from the 'unofficial' 
multimedia repository. I always find that on the deborphan list. While true 
that is has nothing dependant on it and it would be safe to remove, I've made 
the mistake of removing it while removing other things en-mass. Scripting can 
be a helpful thing, but in those instances, using something like:
deborphan | xargs apt-get -y remove --purge
can leave you in a pickle if you want to watch a dvd on the road and you have 
no internet connection to replace the package it removed ;o)

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Re: deborphan

[Jörg Sommer]

Hallo Marco,

Marco Estrada Martinez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Andreas Pakulat schrieb:
 On 01.07.06 17:18:59, Marco Estrada Martinez wrote:
   
 kann ich die ausgegebenen Pakete von deborphan ohne Bedenken entfernen?
 

 Wenn du sie nicht brauchst: Ja.
   

 Mh, dass habe ich mir gedacht, aber gibt es irgendeine Möglichkeit 
 herauszubekommen ob ich sie noch brauche. Bei einigen kann man es ja am 
 Name erkennen.

Wenn du sie nicht bewusst installiert hast, weil du sie z. B. für das
Übersetzen eigener Programme brauchst, dann kannst du sie ohne Bedenken
löschen.

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deborphan

[Marco Estrada Martinez]

Hi @ all,

kann ich die ausgegebenen Pakete von deborphan ohne Bedenken entfernen?

Momentane Ausgabe:

libtasn1-0
libident
libalsaplayer0
xlibosmesa4
libsqldbc7.5.00
libsablot0c102
libldap-2.2-7
freetype2
libpng3
libevent1
libnfsidmap1
libsmpeg0
libsdp2
libdvdnav4
libwxgtk2.6
unixodbc
libdvdplay0
libneon23
libstlport4.6

THX Marco


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Re: deborphan

[Andreas Pakulat]

On 01.07.06 17:18:59, Marco Estrada Martinez wrote:
 kann ich die ausgegebenen Pakete von deborphan ohne Bedenken entfernen?

Wenn du sie nicht brauchst: Ja.

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Re: deborphan

[Marco Estrada Martinez]

Andreas Pakulat schrieb:

On 01.07.06 17:18:59, Marco Estrada Martinez wrote:
  

kann ich die ausgegebenen Pakete von deborphan ohne Bedenken entfernen?



Wenn du sie nicht brauchst: Ja.
  


Mh, dass habe ich mir gedacht, aber gibt es irgendeine Möglichkeit 
herauszubekommen ob ich sie noch brauche. Bei einigen kann man es ja am 
Name erkennen.


THX Marco


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Re: deborphan

[Andreas Pakulat]

On 01.07.06 17:54:42, Marco Estrada Martinez wrote:
 Andreas Pakulat schrieb:
 On 01.07.06 17:18:59, Marco Estrada Martinez wrote:
   
 kann ich die ausgegebenen Pakete von deborphan ohne Bedenken entfernen?
 
 
 Wenn du sie nicht brauchst: Ja.
 
 Mh, dass habe ich mir gedacht, aber gibt es irgendeine Möglichkeit 
 herauszubekommen ob ich sie noch brauche. Bei einigen kann man es ja am Name 
 erkennen.

Schau dir die Beschreibung an mit apt-cache show paketname und schaue
erstmal was passieren wuerde beim entfernen mit aptitude remove -s
paketname

Wenn dann noch was deinstalliert wird was du evtl. noch brauchst dann
nicht mit entfernen. Die essentiellen Pakete kannst du sowieso nicht
so einfach entfernen.

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deborphan defaults?

[Marc Shapiro]

In my continuing effort to remove unneeded packages from my system I ran 
deborphan and came up with the following list of orphaned libs:


libruby
libdvdread3
liba52-0.7.4
libzzip-0-12
libfaad2-0
libhal0
libxosd2
libdirectfb-0.9-20
libstartup-notification0
libsigc++-1.2-5c102
libpostproc0
libdivxdecore0
libxvidcore4
libdb4.2++
libtar
libdvdnav4
libmpeg2-4
libmyspell3
libdvbpsi3
libneon23
libstlport4.6
libid3tag0

If I am reading the man page correctly, deborphan will consider a 
package as NOT being orphaned if it is 'Suggested' or 'Recommended', is 
that correct?  Many of these packages seem to be audio/video/dvd 
related.  I don't want xine, for example, to suddenly not behave 
correctly, but, since it is installed through apt-get, if any of these 
packages were in any way used by it, they would not be reported by 
deborphan.  Is this correct?


If I run 'apt-cache rdepends' on the above list, I get a lot of 
references to openoffice.org-bin (1.1.3) which I have already 
uninstalled.  (I am using v2.0 from the openoffice.org site).  There are 
also numerous references to mplayer and vlc, which I am also no longer 
using.


I realize that any packages manually installed from a tarball and not by 
debian package management tools will not prevent a package from being 
shown as an orphan, but I rarely install non debian packages, so...


Can I reasonably assume that it is safe to uninstall these packages?

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Re: deborphan defaults?

[Felipe Sateler]

Marc Shapiro wrote:
 Can I reasonably assume that it is safe to uninstall these packages?
I normally believe in deborphan's output, so I'd say it is. However, if you
want to be sure, just check the rdepends. Most probably you'll see some
package you installed sometime, but then later removed it. I'd consider
removing those libs safe. 
As a sidenote, I'd recommend using aptitude instead of apt-get for this
reason: aptitude, when told to install a package, will pull the
dependencies, but will mark them as automatically installed. This way, if
you later decide to remove that package, or the package dependencies have
changed, they will be automatically removed. Aptitude is much more picky on
the dependencies, apt-get tends to assume you know what you are doing
(which I've found is not usually the case, given the amount of packages and
their interdependencies).
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Re: deborphan

[Murat Demirten]

Şöyle söyleyelim:

Söylediği kütüphaneleri, sisteminizdeki hiç bir .deb paketi kullanmıyordur.

Ancak kaynak koddan paketler derlemişseniz veya un-offical bir arşivden, 
yeterince dikkatli hazırlanmayan bir .deb paketini kurmuşsanız (kullandığı 
kütüphane paketlerinin hepsini paket içerisine düzgün bir şekilde yazmamış 
olan) sorun çıkabilir. Fakat bu olasılık oldukça düşük.

selamlar,

On Wednesday 29 March 2006 13:26, Mehmet Türker wrote:
 Selamlar,
 deborphan'a güvenebilirmiyim acaba ? Söylediği kütüphaneleri hiç bir
 yazılım kullanmıyordur değil mi?

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Selamlar,
deborphan'a 
güvenebilirmiyim acaba ? Söylediği kütüphaneleri hiç bir yazılım kullanmıyordur 
değil mi?


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On the use of deborphan (was: Re: woody-sarge failed: out pf disk space)

[Rogério Brito]

On 06/12/05 22:43, Tom Allison wrote:

A thousand pardons.
It found version 10 that was replaced by version 11.
I was looking at version 11 being in use, not 10.

You're right, I'm wrong.
Sorry for the waste in bandwidth.


No problems. BTW, here is the command that I use with deborphan:

apt-get --purge remove `deborphan --guess-all | grep -v libc6-i686`

The libc6-i686 is a package that I want to keep (until, perhaps, when it 
is included in libc6 --- I don't know if this will happen at all, anyway).


If you prefer, you can use aptitude purge where I use apt-get --purge 
remove.


Since I use apt-move to keep a copy of the packages that I download 
locally (in a way suitable for sharing with friends), I don't fear 
loosing any package.


And since we are talking about keeping everything in order, I think that 
 using the package cruft will help you see where other suspicious files 
are.


And another handy tool for keeping your systems in shape is wajig, in 
particular when the size option is used. It gives you a hint of which 
packages are consuming how much space in your filesystems.


BTW, wajig is a frontend to APT and it calls deborphan and other handy 
utilities without you having to memorize a thousand commands and 
options. Worth seeing just to know if you want it or not, IMVHO.



Hope this helps, Rogério.

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[DEBORPHAN] Faire une dépendence fictive...

[yves piel]

Bonjour,
Je sais que mon titre peux paraitre bizarre...
Je cherche un moyen pour ne pas faire apparaire certains packages dans 
la sortie de la commande deborphan (qui liste les packages qui ne sont 
pas réclamés par d'autres).
En fait, j'ai installé ruby et libruby. Or j'ai besoin de libruby pour 
mes scripts. Cepedant, libruby n'étant demandé par aucun package de 
debian installé, il apparait dans deborphan.
Puis-je faire quelque chose pour simuler une dépendance de libruby ?

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Re: [DEBORPHAN] Faire une dépendence fictive...

[tnemeth]

Selon yves piel [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

| Bonjour,

Salut,


| Je sais que mon titre peux paraitre bizarre...

Aucunement.


| Je cherche un moyen pour ne pas faire apparaire certains packages
| dans
| la sortie de la commande deborphan (qui liste les packages qui ne
| sont
| pas réclamés par d'autres).
| En fait, j'ai installé ruby et libruby. Or j'ai besoin de libruby
| pour
| mes scripts. Cepedant, libruby n'étant demandé par aucun package de
| debian installé, il apparait dans deborphan.
| Puis-je faire quelque chose pour simuler une dépendance de libruby ?

Tu te fais un paquet pour tes scripts :) Qu'il soit réel
(contenant les scripts et les infos de dépendance) ou virtuel
(ne contenant que la dépendance envers libruby).


| Merci

'plaisir.


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Re: [DEBORPHAN] Faire une dpendence fictive...

[yves piel]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Selon yves piel [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
| Bonjour,
Salut,
| Je sais que mon titre peux paraitre bizarre...
Aucunement.
| Je cherche un moyen pour ne pas faire apparaire certains packages
| dans
| la sortie de la commande deborphan (qui liste les packages qui ne
| sont
| pas réclamés par d'autres).
| En fait, j'ai installé ruby et libruby. Or j'ai besoin de libruby
| pour
| mes scripts. Cepedant, libruby n'étant demandé par aucun package de
| debian installé, il apparait dans deborphan.
| Puis-je faire quelque chose pour simuler une dépendance de libruby ?
Tu te fais un paquet pour tes scripts :) Qu'il soit réel
(contenant les scripts et les infos de dépendance) ou virtuel
(ne contenant que la dépendance envers libruby).
| Merci
'plaisir.
Thomas.

Merci :)
En fait je voulais éviter de faire un package d'ou le terme fictive 
dans le sujet...

Enfn j'ai trouvé après une recherche dans  le man de deborphan  :cP
Il faut utiliser l'option -A
Ainsi, deborphan -A libruby ajoutera ce package dans une liste à ne 
pas afficher...
Il est magique ce deborphan :c) !!

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Re: deborphan ile listelenen paketleri kaldirmak (kaldirmali mi?)

[Recai Oktas]

* Emre Sevinc [2004-10-03 13:22:52+0300]
 Birkac gün önce unstable SID'e güncelledigim
 Debian sistemime synaptic kurdum, kurulurken suggested paketler
 arasinda deborphan da vardi. Bunu da kurdum.
 
 deborphan'i herhangi bir parametre vermeden
 calistirinca 53 satirlik bir bilgi döndürüyor. Bu listelenen
 paketlerin, kitapliklarin vs. kesinlikle hicbir uygulama 
 tarafindan kullanilmadigindan emin olabilir miyim? Dolayisi 
 ile bunlari gönül rahatligi ile kaldirabilir miyim? 

Muhtemel programlama hatalarini goz ardi edersek bu islem guvenli
gozukuyor.  Deborphan dokumantasyonundan gorebildigim kadariyla programa
herhangi bir secenek belirtilmediginde bir paketin oksuz kalip
kalmadigini belirlemek icin ontanimli olarak su kriterler isletiliyor:

* Paket libs veya oldlibs bolumunde olmali
* Paketin onceligi (required, important, standard, optional, extra)
  'important' veya daha dusuk olmali.  Yani ilk sarti saglayanlardan
  'required' olanlar eleniyor.

Ontanimli davranis nispeten guvenli.  Fakat ikinci sart icin onerilen
'optional' ve daha dusuk onceliklerin kullanilmasi.  Mesela benim
makinede su sonuclar cikti:

deborphan | wc -l -- 30 paket (important ve daha dusuk olanlar)

deborphan -p4 | wc -l -- 29 paket (optional ve daha dusuk olanlar)

Aradaki fark 'important' oncelikli libident paketi.  Bence oncelik
degeri 3'e cekilebilir ('standart' ve daha dusuk olanlar).  Hulasa su
komut gayet guvenli olacaktir kanaatimce:

deborphan -p3 | xargs apt-get -u remove

Daha fazla temizlik istiyorsan butun bolumlerde 'standart' ve dusuk
onceliklere bir bak once:

deborphan -aPp3 | wc -l -- 384 paket :-)

Bunlari silmek icin sadece paket isimlerini almak gerekecek:

deborphan -ap3 --no-show-section | xargs apt-get -u remove

'purge'in aksine 'remove' yapilandirma dosyalarini silmez.  Yani
herhangi bir aksaklik olursa onceden yaptigin ozellestirmeler korunarak
o paketi tekrar kurabilirsin.  Dolayisiyla bu son islemin de guvenli
oldugunu dusunuyorum.

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Re: deborphan ile listelenen paketleri kaldirmak (kaldirmali mi?)

[Recai Oktas]

* Recai Oktas [2004-10-04 12:23:05+0300]
[...]
 Muhtemel programlama hatalarini goz ardi edersek bu islem guvenli
 gozukuyor.  Deborphan dokumantasyonundan gorebildigim kadariyla programa
 herhangi bir secenek belirtilmediginde bir paketin oksuz kalip
 kalmadigini belirlemek icin ontanimli olarak su kriterler isletiliyor:
 
 * Paket libs veya oldlibs bolumunde olmali
 * Paketin onceligi (required, important, standard, optional, extra)
   'important' veya daha dusuk olmali.  Yani ilk sarti saglayanlardan
   'required' olanlar eleniyor.
   ^^^ olmayanlar

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RE: deborphan ile listelenen paketleri kaldirmak (kaldirmali mi?)

[Emre Sevinc]

Title: RE: deborphan ile listelenen paketleri kaldirmak (kaldirmali mi?)







Detayli bilgi icin cok tesekkür ederim.

deborphan'in belirttigin paketlerin cogunu kaldirdim. Herhangi bir sorun cikarsa
bildirecegim.

Bu arada elle yapmak zorunda kaldim cünkü

--force-yes

opsiyonunu denememe ragmen yine de apt-get Yes/no diye soruyor ve xargs ile
otomatik olarak calistirmak istedigim halde sanki no demisim gibi kabul
edip Abort diye kendi kendini sonlandiriyor, bu yüzden xargs olmadan kendim
listeyi elle vererek kullandim apt-get remove islemini.



-Original Message-
From: Recai Oktas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Mon 10/4/2004 12:23 PM
To: debian-user-turkish@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: deborphan ile listelenen paketleri kaldirmak (kaldirmali mi?)

* Emre Sevinc [2004-10-03 13:22:52+0300]
 Birkac gün önce unstable SID'e güncelledigim
 Debian sistemime synaptic kurdum, kurulurken suggested paketler
 arasinda deborphan da vardi. Bunu da kurdum.

 deborphan'i herhangi bir parametre vermeden
 calistirinca 53 satirlik bir bilgi döndürüyor. Bu listelenen
 paketlerin, kitapliklarin vs. kesinlikle hicbir uygulama
 tarafindan kullanilmadigindan emin olabilir miyim? Dolayisi
 ile bunlari gönül rahatligi ile kaldirabilir miyim?

Muhtemel programlama hatalarini goz ardi edersek bu islem guvenli
gozukuyor. Deborphan dokumantasyonundan gorebildigim kadariyla programa
herhangi bir secenek belirtilmediginde bir paketin oksuz kalip
kalmadigini belirlemek icin ontanimli olarak su kriterler isletiliyor:

* Paket libs veya oldlibs bolumunde olmali
* Paketin onceligi (required, important, standard, optional, extra)
 'important' veya daha dusuk olmali. Yani ilk sarti saglayanlardan
 'required' olanlar eleniyor.

Ontanimli davranis nispeten guvenli. Fakat ikinci sart icin onerilen
'optional' ve daha dusuk onceliklerin kullanilmasi. Mesela benim
makinede su sonuclar cikti:

 deborphan | wc -l  -- 30 paket (important ve daha dusuk olanlar)

 deborphan -p4 | wc -l -- 29 paket (optional ve daha dusuk olanlar)

Aradaki fark 'important' oncelikli libident paketi. Bence oncelik
degeri 3'e cekilebilir ('standart' ve daha dusuk olanlar). Hulasa su
komut gayet guvenli olacaktir kanaatimce:

 deborphan -p3 | xargs apt-get -u remove

Daha fazla temizlik istiyorsan butun bolumlerde 'standart' ve dusuk
onceliklere bir bak once:

 deborphan -aPp3 | wc -l -- 384 paket :-)

Bunlari silmek icin sadece paket isimlerini almak gerekecek:

 deborphan -ap3 --no-show-section | xargs apt-get -u remove

'purge'in aksine 'remove' yapilandirma dosyalarini silmez. Yani
herhangi bir aksaklik olursa onceden yaptigin ozellestirmeler korunarak
o paketi tekrar kurabilirsin. Dolayisiyla bu son islemin de guvenli
oldugunu dusunuyorum.

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deborphan ile listelenen paketleri kaldirmak (kaldirmali mi?)

[Emre Sevinc]

Title: deborphan ile listelenen paketleri kaldirmak (kaldirmali mi?)







Birkac gün önce unstable SID'e güncelledigim
Debian sistemime synaptic kurdum, kurulurken suggested paketler
arasinda deborphan da vardi. Bunu da kurdum.

deborphan'i herhangi bir parametre vermeden
calistirinca 53 satirlik bir bilgi döndürüyor. Bu listelenen
paketlerin, kitapliklarin vs. kesinlikle hicbir uygulama
tarafindan kullanilmadigindan emin olabilir miyim? Dolayisi
ile bunlari gönül rahatligi ile kaldirabilir miyim? 

Re: Deborphan zeigt mir nicht alle ueberfluessigen Pakete!?

[Andreas Hemel]

On Thu, Mar 18, 2004 at 08:11:00PM +0200, Dirk Salva wrote:
 Hallo Andreas,
 
Hallo

Sorry, ich hab bei meiner Antwort versehentlich die falsche Taste
erwischt und es nicht gemerkt, so das die als pm rausging. Hier das
ganze nochmal an die Liste.



 
  Ich glaube debfoster ist genau das was du suchst. Das analysiert die
 
 Du meinst also, debfoster kann mehr als deborphan? Andere Meinungen!?


Ich sehe es eher als Ergaenzung zu deborphan. Debfoster's Vorteil sich
die Antworten zu merken ist manchmal auch ein Nachteil, wenn man ein
Paket mal nicht mehr braucht, aber nicht dran denkt, dass man debfoster
ja gesagt hat mal will es behalten. Das bedeutet aber nicht dass man
sich nicht auch umentscheiden koennte.

An debfoster mag ich einfach, dass ich gemuetlich die Pakete durchgehen
kann. Sollte ich mal nicht wissen was ein Paket eigentlich enthaelt
druecke ich einfach auf Fragezeichen und schon sehe ich die
Beschreibung. Ausserdem kann ich ganz einfach ein Paket mit seinem
ganzen Rattenschwanz an Abhaengigkeiten deinstallieren.
Beides laesst sich mit deborphan nur umstaendlich machen.

Aber guck dir debfoster doch einfach mal an, ist ja nu wirklich kein
grosses Paket.


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Re: Deborphan zeigt mir nicht alle ueberfluessigen Pakete!?

[Andreas Janssen]

Hallo

Dirk Salva ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

 [Deborphan zeigt nicht benötigte -dev-Pakete nicht an]

man deborphan

-n, --nice-mode
--guess-*
--guess-dev
--guess-all

Mit

deborphan -a -n --guess-all

sollte wirklich alles anhezeigt werden können.

Grüße
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Re: Deborphan zeigt mir nicht alle ueberfluessigen Pakete!?

[Heino Tiedemann]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dirk Salva) wrote:

 ich habe gerade durch Zufall etwas seltsames festgestellt:
 aptitude hat im Zuge eines updates auf einem meiner Rechner libssl-dev  
 upgedated. Verwundert hat mich das deshalb, weil -dev doch Dinge sind, die  
 ich als normaler User eigentlich nicht benoetige, oder!? Und ein Druck  
 auf r in aptitude hat auch ergeben, dass libssl-dev von niemand anderem  
 benoetigt wird. Also flugs deinstalliert.
 Festgestellt habe ich hernach, das auf dem Rechner noch mehr dev  
 existieren, die von keinem anderen Paket benoetigt werden.

 a) was habe ich bei der Installation falsch gemacht?

Nichts.

haste mal dselect benutzt? 
oder apt-get dselect-upgrade gemacht?

 b) wie finde ich die (scheinbar ueberfluessigen -dev) alle 'raus und purge  
 sie (nach Sichtkontrolle) einfach (es koennten scheinbar durchaus mehrere  
 sein)?

dpkg -l *-dev | grep ii

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Re: Deborphan zeigt mir nicht alle ueberfluessigen Pakete!?

[Dirk Salva]

Hallo Andreas,


  [Deborphan zeigt nicht benötigte -dev-Pakete nicht an]
 man deborphan

Da steht hierzu:
This method is in no way perfect or even reliable, so beware when using  
this!.
Das hat mich halt erstmal von using this abgehalten.

 deborphan -a -n --guess-all
 sollte wirklich alles anhezeigt werden können.

Alles heisst in diesem Fall, alles was ueberfluessig ist, oder verstehe  
ich Dich da falsch!?

Das Ergebnis ist irgendwie nicht so ganz das Gewuenschte, da kommen  
naemlich 10 Textkonsolenseiten voll. Und darin enthalten ist scheinbar  
*alles*, denn da stehen auch so Sachen wie traceroute, arj, sudo uswusf.  
drin. Nicht ganz das, was ich will.

Was ich moechte:
ich habe alle Systeme hier bisher mit tasksel und dselect installiert, ich  
selbst habe ab dann nur noch mit aptitude gearbeitet (und anfangs auch  
damit zu viel installiert, weil ich nicht wusste, dass man empfohlene und  
vorgeschlagene Pakete automatisch installieren abschalten kann;-(). Jetzt  
denke ich, dass diese beiden erstgenannten Programme vieles mitinstalliert  
haben, was ich ueberhaupt nicht benoetige, u.a. dev-Pakete. ich entwickle  
nicht selbst, und alles, was nicht fuer interessante Aufgaben (wie Kernel  
kompilieren o.ae.) benoetigt wird, kann und soll runter. Gibt's da noch  
andere Kandidaten ausser dev-Dateien?
Ausserdem habe ich via tasksel Dinge auf den Rechner bekommen, die ich im  
Leben nie nutzen werde, sawfish z.B. Wie finde ich nun heraus, was da  
alles zu gehoert, und wie bekomme ich das dann letzendlich wieder 'runter?

Problem ist auch, dass es ziemlich muehselig ist, die Ausgabe von  
deborphan bei 10 Paketen noch von Hand in aptitude einzugeben. Gibt es  
eine Moeglichkeit, dass - nach vorheriger persoenlicher Sichtkontrolle -  
zu automatisieren?!

Wenn mich da jemand anleiten koennte, wie ich das bewerkstellige, waere  
mir sehr geholfen! Unter anderem deshalb, weil ich hier einen Rechner  
habe, der trotz wenig Auswahl meinerseits nur noch 350MB Plattenplatz frei  
hat, und das ist mir doch ein bisschen zu wenig...


ciao, Dirk

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Re: Deborphan zeigt mir nicht alle ueberfluessigen Pakete!?

[Andreas Hemel]

On Thu, Mar 18, 2004 at 05:21:00PM +0200, Dirk Salva wrote:
 Ausserdem habe ich via tasksel Dinge auf den Rechner bekommen, die ich im  
 Leben nie nutzen werde, sawfish z.B. Wie finde ich nun heraus, was da  
 alles zu gehoert, und wie bekomme ich das dann letzendlich wieder 'runter?
 
 Problem ist auch, dass es ziemlich muehselig ist, die Ausgabe von  
 deborphan bei 10 Paketen noch von Hand in aptitude einzugeben. Gibt es  
 eine Moeglichkeit, dass - nach vorheriger persoenlicher Sichtkontrolle -  
 zu automatisieren?!
 
 Wenn mich da jemand anleiten koennte, wie ich das bewerkstellige, waere  
 mir sehr geholfen! Unter anderem deshalb, weil ich hier einen Rechner  
 habe, der trotz wenig Auswahl meinerseits nur noch 350MB Plattenplatz frei  
 hat, und das ist mir doch ein bisschen zu wenig...
 
Ich glaube debfoster ist genau das was du suchst. Das analysiert die
Abhaengigkeiten und fragt dich dann nach bestimmten Paketen. Als
Antworten gibts behalten, Paket loeschen, Paket und andere nur von
diesem benoetigt Pakete loeschen, ueberspringen, info anzeigen, usw.
Am Ende loescht es dann automatisch alles das was du ihm gesagt hast.

Debfoster merkt sich dann alle Antworten und fragt dich wenn du es wieder
aufrufst nur nach neuen Paketen.

$ apt-get install debfoster



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Re: Deborphan zeigt mir nicht alle ueberfluessigen Pakete!?

[Dirk Salva]

Hallo Andreas,


 Ich glaube debfoster ist genau das was du suchst. Das analysiert die

Du meinst also, debfoster kann mehr als deborphan? Andere Meinungen!?


ciao, Dirk

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Re: Deborphan zeigt mir nicht alle ueberfluessigen Pakete!?

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Dirk Salva wrote:
 Du meinst also, debfoster kann mehr als deborphan? Andere Meinungen!?

naja, die beiden Tools haben einen klein wenig Überschneidung im Sinn
aber nicht _sehr viel_. debfoster fragt Dich, was Du behalten willst und
entfernt den Rest und deborphan schaut einfach im dpkg-Status (iirc)
und schaut, was denn obsolet sein könnte...

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Deborphan zeigt mir nicht alle ueberfluessigen Pakete!?

[Dirk Salva]

Hallo,

ich habe gerade durch Zufall etwas seltsames festgestellt:
aptitude hat im Zuge eines updates auf einem meiner Rechner libssl-dev  
upgedated. Verwundert hat mich das deshalb, weil -dev doch Dinge sind, die  
ich als normaler User eigentlich nicht benoetige, oder!? Und ein Druck  
auf r in aptitude hat auch ergeben, dass libssl-dev von niemand anderem  
benoetigt wird. Also flugs deinstalliert.
Festgestellt habe ich hernach, das auf dem Rechner noch mehr dev  
existieren, die von keinem anderen Paket benoetigt werden.

a) was habe ich bei der Installation falsch gemacht?
b) wie finde ich die (scheinbar ueberfluessigen -dev) alle 'raus und purge  
sie (nach Sichtkontrolle) einfach (es koennten scheinbar durchaus mehrere  
sein)?

(c) bediene ich deborphan falsch? Ich dachte, der zeigt mir unnuetze  
Pakete an!? Mit Parameter -aH zeigt er mir dagegen so ziemlich alles an  
Paketen, was auf dem Rechner liegt. Kann also auch nicht stimmen.)


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Re: Interaction deborphan/syslinux ?

[Daniel Dupont]

[EMAIL PROTECTED], le 2 septembre 2003 à 17h50 :

 [...]

  je me rend compte que le paquet syslinux ne me sert à rien,
 
# apt-get remove syslinux

 [...]

  Je revérifie une dernière fois :
 
# deborphan -a
Segmentation fault

 [...]

  Quelqu'un a-t-il une idée, une piste que je pourrais creuser ?

 Curieux, je n'ai pas ce problème (sur une unstable à jour).
 Que donne un strace sur deborphan ? Si cela ne donne aucune piste,
 peut-être recompiler deborphan en conservant les options de
 déboguages et tracer avec gdb où se situe le segfault.

Merci de ta réponse.

Depuis, j'ai tout de même continué à installer des paquets et à
configurer ma machine.

Et le problème n'existe plus et je suis incapable de le reproduire :-o

Je vais bientôt installer une autre machine et comme mon processus et
toujours le même, j'essayerai de reproduire ce problème en gardant des
traces cette fois...

A+

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Interaction deborphan/syslinux ?

[Daniel Dupont]

Bonjour à tous,

Je viens d'installer un système Debian/testing avec les paquets de
base, un noyau 2.4.21 customisé plus quelques utilitaires dont j'ai
besoin.

Ensuite, j'installe le paquet deborphan pour vérifier les paquets qui
ne me servent à rien.

Je désinstalle quelques uns de ces paquets inutiles, puis, en
revérifiant,

  # deborphan -a
  main/net telnet
  main/net traceroute
  main/utils   mc
  main/admin   rcconf
  main/net iptables
  main/admin   deborphan
  main/web wget
  main/doc manpages
  main/baseftp
  main/web lynx
  main/basepppconfig
  main/utils   syslinux
  main/textless
  main/devel   debhelper
  main/admin   at
  main/net pppoeconf
  main/net ssh
  main/doc info
  main/net ntp-simple
  main/basekernel-image-2.4.21.20030829
 
je me rend compte que le paquet syslinux ne me sert à rien,

  # apt-get remove syslinux
  Reading Package Lists... Done
  Building Dependency Tree... Done
  The following packages will be REMOVED:
syslinux*
  0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 0  not
  upgraded.
  Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 5557kB will be freed.
  Do you want to continue? [Y/n]
  (Reading database ... 11385 files and directories currently
  installed.)
  Removing syslinux ...

Je revérifie une dernière fois :

  # deborphan -a
  Segmentation fault

Et là stupeur, deborphan ne fonctionne plus !

Si je réinstalle syslinux, deborphan fonctionne à nouveau.

J'ai essayer de désinstaller/réinstaller deborphan, rebooter le
système... Toujours le même problème.

J'avoue ne pas vraiment savoir d'où vient le problème (quel rapport
avec syslinux ?).

Quelqu'un a-t-il une idée, une piste que je pourrais creuser ?

Merci de votre attention et de vos réponses futures.

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Re: Interaction deborphan/syslinux ?

[Frédéric Bothamy]

* Daniel Dupont [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-09-01 17:50] :
 Bonjour à tous,

[...]

 je me rend compte que le paquet syslinux ne me sert à rien,
 
   # apt-get remove syslinux

[...]

 Je revérifie une dernière fois :
 
   # deborphan -a
   Segmentation fault

[...]

 Quelqu'un a-t-il une idée, une piste que je pourrais creuser ?

Curieux, je n'ai pas ce problème (sur une unstable à jour). Que donne un
strace sur deborphan ? Si cela ne donne aucune piste, peut-être
recompiler deborphan en conservant les options de déboguages et tracer
avec gdb où se situe le segfault.

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automatisation de l'execution de deborphan

[Sébastien]

Bonjour a tous,

Je voudrai automatier l'execution de deborphan puis apt-get remove etc...

Comment faire pour créer une liste (chaines de caractères séparées par des 
espaces) a partir de la sortie de la commande deborphan...

En fait il suffirait de supprimer les espaces en fin de ligne...

Merci d'avance
Sebbb

Re: automatisation de l'execution de deborphan

[Tuyen DINH]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sébastien) wrote:
  Bonjour a tous,
  
  Je voudrai automatier l'execution de deborphan puis apt-get remove etc...

Par exemple :
deborphan | xargs apt-get -y remove --purge

Re: automatisation de l'execution de deborphan

[Georges Mariano]

Selon Sébastien [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Bonjour a tous,
 
 Je voudrai automatier l'execution de deborphan puis apt-get remove etc...

a) Tn toute généralité, je déconseillerai d'automatiser intégralement ... (cron
aveugle)

Si tu installe une appli A non debianisée qui dépend d'un paquet debian P, alors
P peut être vu comme orphelin par le système Debian, et pan, A est morte.

(exemple vécu : le surfeur Opéra (pas de paquet), dépendait de libqt. et zou 
...)


A moins de systématiquement produire un pseudo-paquet exprimant que A dépend de 
P. 

b) sinon,

deborphan | xargs sudo apt-get remove (--purge ou non)

A+


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Re: automatisation de l'execution de deborphan

[Sébastien]

Le Jeudi 21 Août 2003 09:43, Georges Mariano a écrit :
 Selon Sébastien [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  Bonjour a tous,
 
  Je voudrai automatier l'execution de deborphan puis apt-get remove etc...

 a) Tn toute généralité, je déconseillerai d'automatiser intégralement ...
 (cron aveugle)

 Si tu installe une appli A non debianisée qui dépend d'un paquet debian P,
 alors P peut être vu comme orphelin par le système Debian, et pan, A est
 morte.

 (exemple vécu : le surfeur Opéra (pas de paquet), dépendait de libqt. et
 zou ...)


 A moins de systématiquement produire un pseudo-paquet exprimant que A
 dépend de P.

 b) sinon,

 deborphan | xargs sudo apt-get remove (--purge ou non)

 A+


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Re: automatisation de l'execution de deborphan

[Yves Rutschle]

On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 09:31:46AM +0200, Sébastien wrote:
 Comment faire pour créer une liste (chaines de caractères séparées par des 
 espaces) a partir de la sortie de la commande deborphan...
 
 En fait il suffirait de supprimer les espaces en fin de ligne...

Ne pas chercher midi à quatorze heure :-)

apt-get remove --purge `deborphan`

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Re: automatisation de l'execution de deborphan

[Sbastien]

Le Jeudi 21 Août 2003 09:42, Yves Rutschle a écrit :
 On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 09:31:46AM +0200, Sébastien wrote:
  Comment faire pour créer une liste (chaines de caractères séparées par
  des espaces) a partir de la sortie de la commande deborphan...
 
  En fait il suffirait de supprimer les espaces en fin de ligne...

 Ne pas chercher midi à quatorze heure :-)

 apt-get remove --purge `deborphan`


encore mieu

merci a tous

Re: automatisation de l'execution de deborphan

[Sébastien]

Le Jeudi 21 Août 2003 09:37, Tuyen DINH a écrit :
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sébastien) wrote:
   Bonjour a tous,
  
   Je voudrai automatier l'execution de deborphan puis apt-get remove
   etc...

 Par exemple :
   deborphan | xargs apt-get -y remove --purge

ben tout a fait ça...
c'est étonant tout ce qui existe comme commande...

deborphan -a

[Emmanuel Dubois]

Salut !

J'ai essayé un 'deborphan -a' sur mon système et j'aimerais savoir sur
quels critères il se base pour m'afficher ou pas un package.


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Re: deborphan -a

[Nicolas C.]

Le vendredi 07 mars 2003 à 18:25, Emmanuel Dubois écrivait :
 Salut !

Bonsoir,
 
 J'ai essayé un 'deborphan -a' sur mon système et j'aimerais savoir sur
 quels critères il se base pour m'afficher ou pas un package.

Il se base sur le fait que le paquet en question nécessite des
d'autres paquets ou pas pour pouvoir s'installer.

J'ai du mal comprendre ta question, est-ce ça que tu voulais savoir ?

À plus.

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Kuddel-Muddel gelst (Was: Verstndnisproblem mit deborphan)

[Jrg Schtter]

On Sat, 22 Feb 2003 19:32:24 +0100
Adrian Bunk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Sat, Feb 22, 2003 at 01:02:19PM +0100, Jörg Schütter wrote:
 
  Hallo Adrian,
 
 Hallo Joerg,
 
  On Sat, 22 Feb 2003 12:27:48 +0100
  Adrian Bunk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   deborphan funktioniert korrekt. deborphan sagt dir welche Pakete
   _im Augenblick_ auf deinem System unnoetig sind. Dass ein Paket
   das im Augenblick unnoetig ist nach dem naechsten Upgrade
   benoetigt werden koennte ist durchaus moeglich.
  
  das ist verständlich, aber ich führe kein apt-get update
  zwischenzeitlich durch. Demzufolge sollte ich eigentlich (oder habe
  ich was übersehen) keine neuen Abhängigkeiten bekommen.
  
  Folgende Schleife kann ich beliebig oft durchlaufen.
  
  [Schleifenanfang]
  deborphan -- libofx0c102 libwmf0.2-2
  apt-get remove libofx0c102 libwmf0.2-2
  apt-get dist-upgrade -u -- libofx0c102 libwmf0.2-2 werden
  installiert-- gehe zu Schleifenanfang
 
 das waere ein Bug wenn du die Pakete tatsaechlich installieren
 wuerdest und deborphan danach vorschlagen wuerde die Pakete wieder zu
 entfernen.

Ich habe mir mal die Abhängigkeiten (apt-rdepends
--state-follow=Installed --reverse libwmf0.2-2) angesehen.
Hmm, das scheint wohl etwas mit dem Paket zu tun zu haben welches ich
nicht installieren kann (The following packages have been kept back),
nämlich transcode.

Installiert sind
libwmf0.2-2/stable uptodate 0.2.2-4
libwmf0.2-7/unstable uptodate 0.2.8-1

dpkg -s transcode verrät mir, dass die Version 2:0.6.3-0.0 von
Christian Marillat installiert ist. Diese benötigt libwmf0.2-7
(=0.2.8).

apt-cache policy transcode gibt aus, dass 2:0.6.3-woody0.2 als
Installationskandidat in frage kommt.

apt-cache showpkg transcode sagt dann, dass die Version
2:0.6.3-woody0.2 zwingend libwmf0.2-2 (2 0.2.2-4) benötigt.

Und wie gesagt, transcode kann ich nicht updaten, weil mir sonst einige
andere Pakete gelöscht würden (zumindest wenn ich noch das notwendige
Paket liblcms installieren möchte).

Ich glaube, dass könnte den Kuddel-Muddel verursacht haben.


Gruß
  Jörg

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Verstndnisproblem mit deborphan

[Jrg Schtter]

Hallo Liste,

deborphan (sid) hat mir unter anderem die Pakete
libofx0c102 libwmf0.2-2
als unnötig vorgeschlagen. Also ein beherztes
apt-get remove libofx0c102 libwmf0.2-2
welches auch ohne Murren durchgeführt wurde. Wenn ich aber jetzt
apt-get dist-upgrade -u
aufrufe, sagt er mir, dass diese eben gelöschten Pakete installiert
werden!?!
deborphan behauptet aber immer noch, dass die Pakete gelöscht werden
können.

Kann das jemand erklären oder handelt es sich um einen Bug in deborphan?


Gruß
  Jörg

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Re: Verständnisproblem mit deborphan

[Adrian Bunk]

On Sat, Feb 22, 2003 at 11:48:17AM +0100, Jörg Schütter wrote:

 Hallo Liste,

Hallo Joerg,

 deborphan (sid) hat mir unter anderem die Pakete
 libofx0c102 libwmf0.2-2
 als unnötig vorgeschlagen. Also ein beherztes
 apt-get remove libofx0c102 libwmf0.2-2
 welches auch ohne Murren durchgeführt wurde. Wenn ich aber jetzt
 apt-get dist-upgrade -u
 aufrufe, sagt er mir, dass diese eben gelöschten Pakete installiert
 werden!?!
 deborphan behauptet aber immer noch, dass die Pakete gelöscht werden
 können.
 
 Kann das jemand erklären oder handelt es sich um einen Bug in deborphan?

deborphan funktioniert korrekt. deborphan sagt dir welche Pakete _im 
Augenblick_ auf deinem System unnoetig sind. Dass ein Paket das im 
Augenblick unnoetig ist nach dem naechsten Upgrade benoetigt werden 
koennte ist durchaus moeglich.

 Gruß
   Jörg

Gruss
Adrian

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