Re: how to downgrade nvidia-graphics-drivers packages?

[Dan Ritter]

Harald Dunkel wrote: 
> Hi folks,
> 
> Looking at a set of installed binary packages built from the same source
> package, I would like to keep the version numbers consistent. There might
> be exceptions, but in general you won't like to mix unstable and experimental
> binary packages from the nvidia-graphics-drivers, for example.
> 
> Question is, how can I tell apt to avoid mixing version numbers?

If they come from different repositories (i.e. backports,
unstable, experimental) you can set priorities in
/etc/apt/preferences.d/ -- read the man page for
apt_preferences, because it's not intuitive.

Package: *
Pin: release a=bookworm
Pin-Priority: 900

Package: *
Pin: release a=bookworm-backports
Pin-Priority: 50

Or you can set things per-package by name, or a variety of other
mechanisms.

-dsr-

how to downgrade nvidia-graphics-drivers packages?

[Harald Dunkel]

Hi folks,

Looking at a set of installed binary packages built from the same source
package, I would like to keep the version numbers consistent. There might
be exceptions, but in general you won't like to mix unstable and experimental
binary packages from the nvidia-graphics-drivers, for example.

Question is, how can I tell apt to avoid mixing version numbers?

Regards
Harri

Re: Are there Nvidia drivers on Trixie repositories right now ?

[Bret Busby]

On 27/7/23 16:10, rudu wrote:

Le 26/07/2023 à 23:16, Greg Wooledge a écrit :

On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 11:15:13PM +0200, rudu wrote:
Thank you David, but I thought that non-free-firmware should be 
enough for

the new testing repositories.
Should I had "non-free" to "main contrib non-free-firmware" ?
Sounds weird to me ... ??

The non-free-firmware section only contains firmware.  Not drivers.

If you need to build non-free drivers (e.g. nvidia) you'll need both
sections.


Thanks to David and Greg, I finally understood the difference between 
firmwares and drivers ...

;)
Indeed adding the non-free section to my source.list was what I needed.
Sorry for the noise.

Nice Day to all
Rudu




I believe that a proverb exists, with wording something like
"It is better to look a fool for the time that it takes to ask a 
question, than to look a fool forever, for not asking the question.".


If you did not ask, you would not have learned, and, your having asked, 
can mean that others can also learn what you have learned, from your 
having asked the question.


People should never have to apologise for asking to learn what they do 
not know.


..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..

Re: Are there Nvidia drivers on Trixie repositories right now ?

[rudu]

Le 26/07/2023 à 23:16, Greg Wooledge a écrit :

On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 11:15:13PM +0200, rudu wrote:

Thank you David, but I thought that non-free-firmware should be enough for
the new testing repositories.
Should I had "non-free" to "main contrib non-free-firmware" ?
Sounds weird to me ... ??

The non-free-firmware section only contains firmware.  Not drivers.

If you need to build non-free drivers (e.g. nvidia) you'll need both
sections.


Thanks to David and Greg, I finally understood the difference between 
firmwares and drivers ...

;)
Indeed adding the non-free section to my source.list was what I needed.
Sorry for the noise.

Nice Day to all
Rudu

Re: Are there Nvidia drivers on Trixie repositories right now ?

[Greg Wooledge]

On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 11:15:13PM +0200, rudu wrote:
> Thank you David, but I thought that non-free-firmware should be enough for
> the new testing repositories.
> Should I had "non-free" to "main contrib non-free-firmware" ?
> Sounds weird to me ... ??

The non-free-firmware section only contains firmware.  Not drivers.

If you need to build non-free drivers (e.g. nvidia) you'll need both
sections.

Re: Are there Nvidia drivers on Trixie repositories right now ?

[rudu]

Le 26/07/2023 à 17:12, David Wright a écrit :

# cat /etc/apt/sources.list
# deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing_Bookworm_  - Official Snapshot
amd64 NETINST 20221031-03:18]/ bookworm main

#deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing_Bookworm_  - Official Snapshot
amd64 NETINST 20221031-03:18]/ bookworm main

debhttp://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian  trixie main contrib non-free-firmware
deb-srchttp://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian  trixie main contrib
non-free-firmware

debhttp://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian-security/  trixie-security main
contrib non-free-firmware
deb-srchttp://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian-security/  trixie-security main
contrib non-free-firmware

debhttp://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian  trixie-updates main contrib
non-free-firmware
deb-srchttp://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian  trixie-updates main contrib
non-free-firmware

You appear to be lacking non-free in your sources.list.

Cheers,
David.
Thank you David, but I thought that non-free-firmware should be enough 
for the new testing repositories.

Should I had "non-free" to "main contrib non-free-firmware" ?
Sounds weird to me ... ??

Rudu

Re: Are there Nvidia drivers on Trixie repositories right now ?

[David Wright]

On Wed 26 Jul 2023 at 15:39:49 (+0200), rudu wrote:
> Switching from the nouveau driver to some nvidia-driver does not seam
> to be possible on my laptop running Debian Testing/Trixie.
> Now, it can be found right here apparently :
> https://packages.debian.org/trixie/nvidia-driver
> Am I missing something ?

> # cat /etc/apt/sources.list
> # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Bookworm_ - Official Snapshot
> amd64 NETINST 20221031-03:18]/ bookworm main
> 
> #deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Bookworm_ - Official Snapshot
> amd64 NETINST 20221031-03:18]/ bookworm main
> 
> deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian trixie main contrib non-free-firmware
> deb-src http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian trixie main contrib
> non-free-firmware
> 
> deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian-security/ trixie-security main
> contrib non-free-firmware
> deb-src http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian-security/ trixie-security main
> contrib non-free-firmware
> 
> deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian trixie-updates main contrib
> non-free-firmware
> deb-src http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian trixie-updates main contrib
> non-free-firmware

You appear to be lacking non-free in your sources.list.

Cheers,
David.

Are there Nvidia drivers on Trixie repositories right now ?

[rudu]

Hi there,

Switching from the nouveau driver to some nvidia-driver does not seam to 
be possible on my laptop running Debian Testing/Trixie.

Now, it can be found right here apparently :
https://packages.debian.org/trixie/nvidia-driver
Am I missing something ?
Some information about my system is following, just ask for more if needed.

Thanks

Rudu

$ LANG=C inxi -G
Graphics:
  Device-1: Intel HD Graphics 530 driver: i915 v: kernel
  Device-2: NVIDIA GM204GLM [Quadro M3000M] driver: nouveau v: kernel
  Device-3: Bison ThinkPad P50 Integrated Camera driver: uvcvideo type: USB
  Display: server: X.org v: 1.21.1.7 with: Xwayland v: 22.1.9 driver: 
X: loaded: modesetting
    unloaded: fbdev,vesa dri: iris,nouveau gpu: i915 tty: 158x38 
resolution: 1920x1080

  API: OpenGL Message: GL data unavailable in console. Try -G --display

$ LANG=C nvidia-detect
Detected NVIDIA GPUs:
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation GM204GLM 
[Quadro M3000M] [10de:13fa] (rev a1)


Checking card:  NVIDIA Corporation GM204GLM [Quadro M3000M] (rev a1)
Uh oh. Failed to identify your Debian suite.

# LANG=C apt policy nvidia-driver
nvidia-driver:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: (none)
  Version table:

# cat /etc/apt/sources.list
# deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Bookworm_ - Official Snapshot 
amd64 NETINST 20221031-03:18]/ bookworm main


#deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Bookworm_ - Official Snapshot 
amd64 NETINST 20221031-03:18]/ bookworm main


deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian trixie main contrib non-free-firmware
deb-src http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian trixie main contrib 
non-free-firmware


deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian-security/ trixie-security main 
contrib non-free-firmware
deb-src http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian-security/ trixie-security main 
contrib non-free-firmware


deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian trixie-updates main contrib 
non-free-firmware
deb-src http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian trixie-updates main contrib 
non-free-firmware


# This system was installed using small removable media
# (e.g. netinst, live or single CD). The matching "deb cdrom"
# entries were disabled at the end of the installation process.
# For information about how to configure apt package sources,
# see the sources.list(5) manual.

Re: Trouble with nvidia drivers in Debian 12 Bookworm

[Sam Clearman]

Solved my own problem: I had to do `apt install
linux-headers-cloud-amd64` instead of `apt install
linux-headers-amd64`

On Thu, Jul 13, 2023 at 2:28 PM Sam Clearman  wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I'm trying to get a Tesla T4 working under Debian 12.
>
> So far I've tried two approaches:
> 1. Using the Debian provided drivers, per
> https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
> 2. Using the nVidia provided drivers installed via runfile, per
> https://docs.nvidia.com/datacenter/tesla/tesla-installation-notes/index.html
>
> For 1 (installing the drivers in the debian nonfree repository),
> everything seems to install fine but the drivers don't load properly.
> Systemctl returns the following:
>
> $ systemctl status systemd-modules-load
> × systemd-modules-load.service - Load Kernel Modules
>  Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/systemd-modules-load.service; static)
>  Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Thu 2023-07-13 21:05:08
> UTC; 18min ago
>Docs: man:systemd-modules-load.service(8)
>  man:modules-load.d(5)
> Process: 220 ExecStart=/lib/systemd/systemd-modules-load
> (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE)
>Main PID: 220 (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE)
> CPU: 29ms
>
> Jul 13 21:05:08 localhost systemd-modules-load[226]: modprobe: ERROR:
> could not insert 'nvidia': Invalid argument
> Jul 13 21:05:08 localhost systemd-modules-load[230]: modprobe: FATAL:
> Module nvidia-current-modeset not found in directory
> /lib/modules/6.1.0-10-cloud-amd64
> Jul 13 21:05:08 localhost systemd-modules-load[223]: modprobe: ERROR:
> ../libkmod/libkmod-module.c:1047 command_do() Error running install
> command 'modprobe nvidia ; modprobe -i nvidia-current-modeset ' for m>
> Jul 13 21:05:08 localhost systemd-modules-load[223]: modprobe: ERROR:
> could not insert 'nvidia_modeset': Invalid argument
> Jul 13 21:05:08 localhost systemd-modules-load[232]: modprobe: FATAL:
> Module nvidia-current-drm not found in directory
> /lib/modules/6.1.0-10-cloud-amd64
> Jul 13 21:05:08 localhost systemd-modules-load[220]: Error running
> install command 'modprobe nvidia-modeset ; modprobe -i
> nvidia-current-drm ' for module nvidia_drm: retcode 1
> Jul 13 21:05:08 localhost systemd-modules-load[220]: Failed to insert
> module 'nvidia_drm': Invalid argument
> Jul 13 21:05:08 localhost systemd[1]: systemd-modules-load.service:
> Main process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE
> Jul 13 21:05:08 localhost systemd[1]: systemd-modules-load.service:
> Failed with result 'exit-code'.
> Jul 13 21:05:08 localhost systemd[1]: Failed to start
> systemd-modules-load.service - Load Kernel Modules.
>
> When I try to use the runfile (specifically, this file:
> https://us.download.nvidia.com/tesla/535.54.03/NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-535.54.03.run)
> it is unable to read the kernel headers that I have installed (if I
> don't specify a location, it says it can't find them, no matter which
> location I specify, it finds something unexpected about what's there).
>
> Any help is appreciated!
>
> PS: Secureboot is disabled, I get the following from mokutil:
> $ mokutil --sb-state
> SecureBoot disabled

Trouble with nvidia drivers in Debian 12 Bookworm

[Sam Clearman]

Hi,
I'm trying to get a Tesla T4 working under Debian 12.

So far I've tried two approaches:
1. Using the Debian provided drivers, per
https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
2. Using the nVidia provided drivers installed via runfile, per
https://docs.nvidia.com/datacenter/tesla/tesla-installation-notes/index.html

For 1 (installing the drivers in the debian nonfree repository),
everything seems to install fine but the drivers don't load properly.
Systemctl returns the following:

$ systemctl status systemd-modules-load
× systemd-modules-load.service - Load Kernel Modules
 Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/systemd-modules-load.service; static)
 Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Thu 2023-07-13 21:05:08
UTC; 18min ago
   Docs: man:systemd-modules-load.service(8)
 man:modules-load.d(5)
Process: 220 ExecStart=/lib/systemd/systemd-modules-load
(code=exited, status=1/FAILURE)
   Main PID: 220 (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE)
CPU: 29ms

Jul 13 21:05:08 localhost systemd-modules-load[226]: modprobe: ERROR:
could not insert 'nvidia': Invalid argument
Jul 13 21:05:08 localhost systemd-modules-load[230]: modprobe: FATAL:
Module nvidia-current-modeset not found in directory
/lib/modules/6.1.0-10-cloud-amd64
Jul 13 21:05:08 localhost systemd-modules-load[223]: modprobe: ERROR:
../libkmod/libkmod-module.c:1047 command_do() Error running install
command 'modprobe nvidia ; modprobe -i nvidia-current-modeset ' for m>
Jul 13 21:05:08 localhost systemd-modules-load[223]: modprobe: ERROR:
could not insert 'nvidia_modeset': Invalid argument
Jul 13 21:05:08 localhost systemd-modules-load[232]: modprobe: FATAL:
Module nvidia-current-drm not found in directory
/lib/modules/6.1.0-10-cloud-amd64
Jul 13 21:05:08 localhost systemd-modules-load[220]: Error running
install command 'modprobe nvidia-modeset ; modprobe -i
nvidia-current-drm ' for module nvidia_drm: retcode 1
Jul 13 21:05:08 localhost systemd-modules-load[220]: Failed to insert
module 'nvidia_drm': Invalid argument
Jul 13 21:05:08 localhost systemd[1]: systemd-modules-load.service:
Main process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE
Jul 13 21:05:08 localhost systemd[1]: systemd-modules-load.service:
Failed with result 'exit-code'.
Jul 13 21:05:08 localhost systemd[1]: Failed to start
systemd-modules-load.service - Load Kernel Modules.

When I try to use the runfile (specifically, this file:
https://us.download.nvidia.com/tesla/535.54.03/NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-535.54.03.run)
it is unable to read the kernel headers that I have installed (if I
don't specify a location, it says it can't find them, no matter which
location I specify, it finds something unexpected about what's there).

Any help is appreciated!

PS: Secureboot is disabled, I get the following from mokutil:
$ mokutil --sb-state
SecureBoot disabled

Re: ar8161 gigabit Ethernet drivers

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Thu, May 25, 2023 at 09:23:26AM +0200, Aleix Piulachs wrote:
> I still can’t use the qualcomm atheros ar8161 alx gigabit ethernet drivers

Hi,

Is this still the case? The alx drivers should be installed fairly easily: 
can you give any more details of precisely what is wrong?

All the very best, as ever,

Andy Cater

thermal acpi drivers

[Aleix Piulachs]

My laptop support pwm and starts the fans but when i start the system it
gives me acpi errors that i put below
[ 0.356880] ACPI Error: Needed type [Reference], found [Integer]
(ptrval) (20200925/exresop-66)

[ 0.356951] ACPI Error: AE_AML_OPERAND_TYPE, While resolving operands
for [OpcodeName unavailable] (20200925/dswexec-431)

[ 0.357018] ACPI Error: Aborting method \_PR.CPU0._PDC due to previous
error (AE_AML_OPERAND_TYPE) (20200925/psparse-529)
/dev/sda3: clean, 291329/1605184 files, 4074710/66406144 blocks

ar8161 gigabit Ethernet drivers

[Aleix Piulachs]

I still can’t use the qualcomm atheros ar8161 alx gigabit ethernet drivers

Re: thermal drivers

[Charles Curley]

On Mon, 22 May 2023 10:29:41 +0200
Aleix Piulachs  wrote:

> I’m using a laptop ASU’s f75a i3 3110m with bullseye 11.7 and I can’t
> to activate the thermal drivers: fancontrol.service, fancontrol.pid,
> lm_sensors.service. fancontrol.pid I don’t know to configure it

Some modern computer firmware insists on retaining control of fans and
won't let the operating system so much as see them. And there are
computers that don't have any fans.

Assuming you have lm-sensors installed and have run sensors-detect, show
us what you get when you run "sensors | grep -i fan".

For example:

root@jhegaala:~# sensors | grep -i fan
fan1:   0 RPM
root@jhegaala:~# 



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Re: Fwd: thermal drivers

[piorunz]

On 22/05/2023 09:32, Aleix Piulachs wrote:



-- Mensaje reenviado -
De: *Aleix Piulachs* mailto:ap77@gmail.com>>
Fecha: El lun, 22 may 2023 a las 10:29
Asunto: thermal drivers
Para: mailto:debian-user@lists.debian.org>>


I’m using a laptop ASU’s f75a i3 3110m with bullseye 11.7 and I can’t to
activate the thermal drivers: fancontrol.service, fancontrol.pid,
lm_sensors.service. fancontrol.pid I don’t know to configure it with gnome


Hi Aleix,

Why would you need these drivers? Does your laptop not work properly?
Normally, BIOS controls all fans via ACPI, no further configuration of
fans is required unless you are overclocker etc.

You say you can't activate these services, what is the error you are
getting?


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Fwd: thermal drivers

[Aleix Piulachs]

-- Mensaje reenviado -
De: Aleix Piulachs 
Fecha: El lun, 22 may 2023 a las 10:29
Asunto: thermal drivers
Para: 


I’m using a laptop ASU’s f75a i3 3110m with bullseye 11.7 and I can’t to
activate the thermal drivers: fancontrol.service, fancontrol.pid,
lm_sensors.service. fancontrol.pid I don’t know to configure it with gnome

thermal drivers

[Aleix Piulachs]

I’m using a laptop ASU’s f75a i3 3110m with bullseye 11.7 and I can’t to
activate the thermal drivers: fancontrol.service, fancontrol.pid,
lm_sensors.service. fancontrol.pid I don’t know to configure it

Fwd: thermal drivers

[Aleix Piulachs]

-- Mensaje reenviado -
De: Aleix Piulachs 
Fecha: El lun, 22 may 2023 a las 4:23
Asunto: thermal drivers
Para: 


Thanks for to explain about lm_sensors although i use gnome and it’s more
difficult to configure it fancontrol, fancontrol.pid, fancontrol.service,
lm_sensors.service..

Re: thermal drivers

[David Christensen]

On 5/21/23 04:42, Aleix Piulachs wrote:

I’m using bullseye 23 and a intel core i3 3110m in an Asus F75A laptop and
I can’t to activate thermal drivers




Open a root terminal (or use sudo).


Verify that the package "lm-sensors" is installed:

# dpkg -s lm-sensors


If not, install it:

# apt-get install lm-sensors


Verify that the SUID bit is set on /usr/sbin/hddtemp:

# ls -l /usr/sbin/hddtemp


If not, set it:

# chmod u+s /usr/sbin/hddtemp


Try running sensors(1):

# sensors


If you are using Xfce, add the panel plugin "Sensors" and configure it 
to display the parameter(s) you are interest in.



David

thermal drivers

[Aleix Piulachs]

I’m using bullseye 23 and a intel core i3 3110m in an Asus F75A laptop and
I can’t to activate thermal drivers

Re: drivers for controller Qualcomm Atheros AR8161 Gigabit Ethernet

[Charles Curley]

On Fri, 19 May 2023 02:18:22 +0200
ap77@gmail.com wrote:

> hallo my name is Aleix.

Hallo, Aleix

> i can't find drivers for my ethernet lan my laptop is an:
> Asus F75A
> intel core i3-3110M 2.4GHz
> debian bullseye 10.0.23

If you're running Bullseye, you're running Debian 11.

root@jhegaala:~# cat /etc/debian_version 
11.7
root@jhegaala:~# lsb_release -a
No LSB modules are available.
Distributor ID: Debian
Description:Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye)
Release:11
Codename:   bullseye
root@jhegaala:~# 


> kernel-wedge/stable 2.104 all
> kernelshark/stable 2.9.1-1 amd64
> kerneltop/stable 0.91-2+b1 amd64
> 

A bit of searching
(https://duckduckgo.com/?q=linux+Atheros+AR8161+firmware=vivaldi=web)
turns up this page: https://wiki.debian.org/alx. According to it, the
PCI vendor and device code for your Ethernet interface are 1969:1091.
So I would verify the identity of the interface by:

lspci -n | grep 1969:1091

If that returns a line of text with that vendor and device code in it,
you've correctly identified your interface.

If not, run lspci and see what you see.

If so, run "modprobe alx" to install the driver. See the bottom of
/var/log/syslog to see what happened as a result of that command.


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drivers for controller Qualcomm Atheros AR8161 Gigabit Ethernet

[ap77 . v68]

hallo my name is Aleix.
i can't find drivers for my ethernet lan my laptop is an:
Asus F75A
intel core i3-3110M 2.4GHz
debian bullseye 10.0.23
kernel-wedge/stable 2.104 all
kernelshark/stable 2.9.1-1 amd64
kerneltop/stable 0.91-2+b1 amd64

Re: AMD ryzen 5 2400G VGA drivers required for Debian 10 based linux OS

[Dan Ritter]

karans wrote: 
> We have Debian 10 based linux system
> 
> And we are unable to boot into desktop
> 
> VGA  -AMD RAVEN RIDGE RADEON VEGA SERIES
> Subsystem - Elitegroup Computer Systems raven ridge Radeo Vega series
> 
> Is there any suitable drivers for it


I listed the three packages that you will need:

> > xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu
> > firmware-amd-graphics
> > libdrm-amdgpu1
> >
> > These are all usable in bullseye (11, currently stable). You
> > should not be installing a new buster at this calendar date;
> > 12 is likely to be stable in just a few months.


And I repeat:

> > What specific issues are you seeing?

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Re: AMD ryzen 5 2400G VGA drivers required for Debian 10 based linux OS

[Timothy M Butterworth]

On Thu, Apr 27, 2023 at 1:30 AM karans  wrote:

> We have Debian 10 based linux system
>
> And we are unable to boot into desktop
>
> VGA  -AMD RAVEN RIDGE RADEON VEGA SERIES
> Subsystem - Elitegroup Computer Systems raven ridge Radeo Vega series
>
> Is there any suitable drivers for it
>
>
>
>
> On April 26, 2023 at 10:20 PM Dan Ritter  wrote:
> > Timothy M Butterworth wrote:
> > > On Wed, Apr 26, 2023 at 10:12 AM karans  wrote:
> > >
> > > > Dear Debian Team
> > > >
> > > > We have Debian 10 buster based linux OS but we are facing issue
> after
> > > > install linux
> > > >
> > >
> > > I forwarded this to the Debian User mailing list, which is the end
> user
> > > support list. Debian developers list is strictly just for developer
> topics.
> > >
> > > Tim
> > >
> > >
> > > > *Processor - AMD RYZEN 5 2400G*
> > > > *VGA - Advanced Micro Devices Inc AMD/ATI Raven Ridge
> > > > Radeon Vega Series*
> > > > *Kernel - 5.7.0-0.bpo.2-amd64*
> > > >
> > > > We are unable to find compatible drivers for the amdgpu
> >
> >
> > xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu
> > firmware-amd-graphics
> > libdrm-amdgpu1
> >
> > These are all usable in bullseye (11, currently stable). You
> > should not be installing a new buster at this calendar date;
> > 12 is likely to be stable in just a few months.
>

Debian 10 is pretty old. Have you tried Debian 11 or Debian 12?

11.6 non-free live images:
https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/11.6.0-live+nonfree/amd64/iso-hybrid/

12.0 Live weekly builds:
https://get.debian.org/images/weekly-live-builds/amd64/iso-hybrid/

Tim

> What specific issues are you seeing?
> >
> > -dsr-
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Re: AMD ryzen 5 2400G VGA drivers required for Debian 10 based linux OS

[karans]

We have Debian 10 based linux system

And we are unable to boot into desktop

VGA  -AMD RAVEN RIDGE RADEON VEGA SERIES
Subsystem - Elitegroup Computer Systems raven ridge Radeo Vega series

Is there any suitable drivers for it




On April 26, 2023 at 10:20 PM Dan Ritter  wrote:
> Timothy M Butterworth wrote:
> > On Wed, Apr 26, 2023 at 10:12 AM karans  wrote:
> >
> > > Dear Debian Team
> > >
> > > We have Debian 10 buster based linux OS but we are facing issue after
> > > install linux
> > >
> >
> > I forwarded this to the Debian User mailing list, which is the end user
> > support list. Debian developers list is strictly just for developer topics.
> >
> > Tim
> >
> >
> > > *Processor - AMD RYZEN 5 2400G*
> > > *VGA - Advanced Micro Devices Inc AMD/ATI Raven Ridge
> > > Radeon Vega Series*
> > > *Kernel - 5.7.0-0.bpo.2-amd64*
> > >
> > > We are unable to find compatible drivers for the amdgpu
>
>
> xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu
> firmware-amd-graphics
> libdrm-amdgpu1
>
> These are all usable in bullseye (11, currently stable). You
> should not be installing a new buster at this calendar date;
> 12 is likely to be stable in just a few months.
>
> What specific issues are you seeing?
>
> -dsr-
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केन्द्र(सी-डैक)
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Re: AMD ryzen 5 2400G VGA drivers required for Debian 10 based linux OS

[Dan Ritter]

Timothy M Butterworth wrote: 
> On Wed, Apr 26, 2023 at 10:12 AM karans  wrote:
> 
> > Dear Debian Team
> >
> > We have Debian 10 buster based linux OS but we are facing issue after
> > install linux
> >
> 
> I forwarded this to the Debian User mailing list, which is the end user
> support list. Debian developers list is strictly just for developer topics.
> 
> Tim
> 
> 
> > *Processor   -  AMD RYZEN 5 2400G*
> > *VGA -   Advanced Micro Devices Inc AMD/ATI Raven Ridge
> > Radeon Vega Series*
> > *Kernel  -   5.7.0-0.bpo.2-amd64*
> >
> > We are unable to find compatible drivers for the amdgpu


xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu
firmware-amd-graphics
libdrm-amdgpu1

These are all usable in bullseye (11, currently stable). You
should not be installing a new buster at this calendar date; 
12 is likely to be stable in just a few months.

What specific issues are you seeing?

-dsr-

Re: AMD ryzen 5 2400G VGA drivers required for Debian 10 based linux OS

[Timothy M Butterworth]

On Wed, Apr 26, 2023 at 10:12 AM karans  wrote:

> Dear Debian Team
>
> We have Debian 10 buster based linux OS but we are facing issue after
> install linux
>

I forwarded this to the Debian User mailing list, which is the end user
support list. Debian developers list is strictly just for developer topics.

Tim


> *Processor   -  AMD RYZEN 5 2400G*
> *VGA -   Advanced Micro Devices Inc AMD/ATI Raven Ridge
> Radeon Vega Series*
> *Kernel  -   5.7.0-0.bpo.2-amd64*
>
> We are unable to find compatible drivers for the amdgpu
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks & Regards,
> Karan Sharma / श्री कर्ण शर्मा
> Project Engineer /श्री कर्ण शर्मा
> Centre for Development of Advanced Computing(C-DAC) / प्रगत संगणन विकास
> केन्द्र(सी-डैक)
> Tidel Park”, 8th Floor, “D” Block, (North ) / “टाइडल पार्क”,8वीं
> मंजिल, “डी” ब्लॉक, (उत्तर और दक्षिण)
> No.4, Rajiv Gandhi Salai / नं.4, राजीव गांधी सलाई
> Taramani / तारामणि
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ndiswrapper (was: Re: Drivers for old Packard Bell scanner needed?)

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On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 11:11:04 AM daven...@tuxfamily.org wrote:
> Isn't ndiswrapper specific to networking/wireless network drivers?
> I don't think it just works for any kind of drivers. AS far as I can
> tell, it was designed specifically for WiFi cards.

I used it for Ethernet (not WiFi) cards back in the day.

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Re: Drivers for old Packard Bell scanner needed?

[davenull]

Hello

On 2023-01-11 15:39, David Wright wrote:

On Wed 11 Jan 2023 at 14:25:39 (+), Ottavio Caruso wrote:

Local charity shop sells a desktop scanner for next to nothing. I
could buy it and try it but it's very bulky and it's a long walk. So
I'd like to have a clue beforehand if it's supported.

The item is a Packard Bell Slimline PB 61428.

I googled it but haven't found anything relevant to Linux. The
packaging mentions Windows 98. I remember back in the day, the was a
wrapper for old Windows drivers, I can't remember its name.


Presumably you're thinking of ndiswrapper, which was also recommended
recently in https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2023/01/msg00173.html


Isn't ndiswrapper specific to networking/wireless network drivers?
I don't think it just works for any kind of drivers. AS far as I can 
tell, it was designed specifically for WiFi cards.


But I have never used it. I'm not a huge WiFi fan/heavy user. And when 
I do use it, I've always used cards or USB dongles with native a 
GNU/Linux driver.




AFAICT this package did not make it into bullseye, and seems to have
fallen by the wayside:

https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/ndiswrapper


Or am I supposed to just plug it in and expect it to work?


That's outside my sphere of knowledge.

Cheers,
David.

Re: Drivers for old Packard Bell scanner needed?

[David Wright]

On Wed 11 Jan 2023 at 17:11:04 (+0100), daven...@tuxfamily.org wrote:
> On 2023-01-11 15:39, David Wright wrote:
> > On Wed 11 Jan 2023 at 14:25:39 (+), Ottavio Caruso wrote:
> > > Local charity shop sells a desktop scanner for next to nothing. I
> > > could buy it and try it but it's very bulky and it's a long walk. So
> > > I'd like to have a clue beforehand if it's supported.
> > > 
> > > The item is a Packard Bell Slimline PB 61428.
> > > 
> > > I googled it but haven't found anything relevant to Linux. The
> > > packaging mentions Windows 98. I remember back in the day, the was a
> > > wrapper for old Windows drivers, I can't remember its name.
> > 
> > Presumably you're thinking of ndiswrapper, which was also recommended
> > recently in https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2023/01/msg00173.html
> 
> Isn't ndiswrapper specific to networking/wireless network drivers?
> I don't think it just works for any kind of drivers. AS far as I can
> tell, it was designed specifically for WiFi cards.
> 
> But I have never used it. I'm not a huge WiFi fan/heavy user. And when
> I do use it, I've always used cards or USB dongles with native a
> GNU/Linux driver.

You're probably right. It's probably jessie since I used it for a
WNDA3100 v2 dongle, when I had problems with one of my laptop's
wireless, and I'm so oversupplied with Cat5 ports and Netgear
Powerlines that I have no need to use it nowadays.

> > AFAICT this package did not make it into bullseye, and seems to have
> > fallen by the wayside:
> > 
> > https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/ndiswrapper
> > 
> > > Or am I supposed to just plug it in and expect it to work?
> > 
> > That's outside my sphere of knowledge.

Cheers,
David.

Re: Drivers for old Packard Bell scanner needed?

[Georgi Naplatanov]

On 1/11/23 16:25, Ottavio Caruso wrote:
Local charity shop sells a desktop scanner for next to nothing. I could 
buy it and try it but it's very bulky and it's a long walk. So I'd like 
to have a clue beforehand if it's supported.


The item is a Packard Bell Slimline PB 61428.

I googled it but haven't found anything relevant to Linux. The packaging 
mentions Windows 98. I remember back in the day, the was a wrapper for 
old Windows drivers, I can't remember its name.


Or am I supposed to just plug it in and expect it to work?





Hi Ottavio,

this is a database with supported scanners by SANE - 
http://www.sane-project.org/sane-mfgs.html#Z-PACKARD-BELL


This scanner is not listed as a supported device.

Kind regards
Georgi

Re: Drivers for old Packard Bell scanner needed?

[Dan Ritter]

Ottavio Caruso wrote: 
> Local charity shop sells a desktop scanner for next to nothing. I could buy
> it and try it but it's very bulky and it's a long walk. So I'd like to have
> a clue beforehand if it's supported.
> 
> The item is a Packard Bell Slimline PB 61428.
> 
> I googled it but haven't found anything relevant to Linux. The packaging
> mentions Windows 98. I remember back in the day, the was a wrapper for old
> Windows drivers, I can't remember its name.

I would guess this is unlikely to work at all.

It predates any of the modern standards for scanning, and
Packard Bell was never a high-quality manufacturer, so it
probably doesn't conform to any of the older standards, either.

Honestly, a 24 year old consumer-grade scanner is not going to
be a good value even if it's free.

-dsr-

Re: Drivers for old Packard Bell scanner needed?

[David Wright]

On Wed 11 Jan 2023 at 14:25:39 (+), Ottavio Caruso wrote:
> Local charity shop sells a desktop scanner for next to nothing. I
> could buy it and try it but it's very bulky and it's a long walk. So
> I'd like to have a clue beforehand if it's supported.
> 
> The item is a Packard Bell Slimline PB 61428.
> 
> I googled it but haven't found anything relevant to Linux. The
> packaging mentions Windows 98. I remember back in the day, the was a
> wrapper for old Windows drivers, I can't remember its name.

Presumably you're thinking of ndiswrapper, which was also recommended
recently in https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2023/01/msg00173.html

AFAICT this package did not make it into bullseye, and seems to have
fallen by the wayside:

https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/ndiswrapper

> Or am I supposed to just plug it in and expect it to work?

That's outside my sphere of knowledge.

Cheers,
David.

Re: Drivers for old Packard Bell scanner needed?

[gene heskett]

On 1/11/23 09:26, Ottavio Caruso wrote:
Local charity shop sells a desktop scanner for next to nothing. I could 
buy it and try it but it's very bulky and it's a long walk. So I'd like 
to have a clue beforehand if it's supported.


The item is a Packard Bell Slimline PB 61428.

I googled it but haven't found anything relevant to Linux. The packaging 
mentions Windows 98. I remember back in the day, the was a wrapper for 
old Windows drivers, I can't remember its name.


Or am I supposed to just plug it in and expect it to work?



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Re: Request: Could the maintainers update the non-free drivers please?

[Leroy McFarland]

​Hi Andy,

Thank you for your reply.

Below are the names of packages that need to be backported for Debian's 
Bullseye:

firmware-amd-graphics
firmware-intel-sound
firmware-iwlwifi
firmware-linux
firmware-linux-nonfree
firmware-misc-nonfree
firmware-realtek

Many Debian users have machines that sport the latest Intel 12th generation 
CPUs with Intel Iris Xe graphics and Intel AX211 wireless chipsets that are 
capable of WiFi 6e. The current backported versions for Bullseye are more than 
18 months' old.

Now is the time for maintainers to backport the latest non-free drivers in 
preparation for the soft freeze of Debian 12, codenamed Bookworm.

Best regards.

Leroy​




From: Andy Smith 
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2022 9:43 PM
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org 
Subject: Re: Request: Could the maintainers update the non-free drivers please? 
 
Hi Leroy,

On Sat, Sep 17, 2022 at 07:43:45AM +, Leroy McFarland wrote:
> The non-free drivers in Bullseye's repos are dated 20210315, more than a year 
> ago.​

What is the package name that you are looking at within non-free?

Once you've worked that out, the next step is probably to report a
bug against the package with "wishlist" severity. Unless the lack of
a newer version is causing something to break, rather than just
resulting in newer functionality being missing, in which case a
higher severity might be appropriate.

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Re: Request: Could the maintainers update the non-free drivers please?

[Andy Smith]

Hi Leroy,

On Sat, Sep 17, 2022 at 07:43:45AM +, Leroy McFarland wrote:
> The non-free drivers in Bullseye's repos are dated 20210315, more than a year 
> ago.​

What is the package name that you are looking at within non-free?

Once you've worked that out, the next step is probably to report a
bug against the package with "wishlist" severity. Unless the lack of
a newer version is causing something to break, rather than just
resulting in newer functionality being missing, in which case a
higher severity might be appropriate.

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Request: Could the maintainers update the non-free drivers please?

[Leroy McFarland]

​Hi

The non-free drivers in Bullseye's repos are dated 20210315, more than a year 
ago.​

Could the maintainers build a ​backport that cont​ains 20220815 or 20220913 
drivers please?

Thanks.

Leroy

Re: Proprietary WiFi drivers for live mode

[tomas]

On Sun, Jun 26, 2022 at 11:29:32AM -0500, David Wright wrote:
> I've reinserted the opening line of the post I replied to.
> 
> On Sun 26 Jun 2022 at 17:14:23 (+0200), to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > On Sun, Jun 26, 2022 at 09:28:21AM -0500, David Wright wrote:
> > > On Sun 26 Jun 2022 at 09:07:11 (+0200), Hans wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > In your case I would suggest to build your own lifefile system with 
> > > > live-
> > > > build.
> > > > 
> > > > [...]
> > > > 
> > > > I am doing all this, when building kali-linux live-system, which 
> > > > building is 
> > > > almost the same as a debian-live system.
> > > > 
> > > > Give it a try, maybe it helps.
> > > 
> > > Sorry, but I can't see the attraction of a live system, as opposed to
> > > just building the Debian system on a stick. Care to explain?
> > 
> > If I understand correctly, a live system

[...]

> That was my point—we know what the target system is
> here: /the/ old Dell laptop, to be used by a
> non-programming/configuring/commandline-user person.

[...]

> > Both have their uses.
> 
> Agreed, in different circumstances.

I just misunderstood: I took your statement above as absolute,
not relative to the current situation. That way around I totally
agree.

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Re: Proprietary WiFi drivers for live mode

[David Wright]

I've reinserted the opening line of the post I replied to.

On Sun 26 Jun 2022 at 17:14:23 (+0200), to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 26, 2022 at 09:28:21AM -0500, David Wright wrote:
> > On Sun 26 Jun 2022 at 09:07:11 (+0200), Hans wrote:
> > > 
> > > In your case I would suggest to build your own lifefile system with live-
> > > build.
> > > 
> > > [...]
> > > 
> > > I am doing all this, when building kali-linux live-system, which building 
> > > is 
> > > almost the same as a debian-live system.
> > > 
> > > Give it a try, maybe it helps.
> > 
> > Sorry, but I can't see the attraction of a live system, as opposed to
> > just building the Debian system on a stick. Care to explain?
> 
> If I understand correctly, a live system
> 
>  - is thought to cope with a broader range of hardware (meaning: it
>doesn't know exactly which hardware it's going to wake up on next)

That was my point—we know what the target system is
here: /the/ old Dell laptop, to be used by a
non-programming/configuring/commandline-user person.

>  - is not supposed to touch the host system persistent storage (aka
>disks)

That's something we apparently don't have to worry about, as it has no
hard drive, so it can only touch what is deliberately inserted into it
at the time.

>  - is not supposed to scribble on its own medium (unless you've set
>aside a partition for that)

Presumably, the OP will occasionally upgrade the OS-on-the-stick;
perhaps when they notice a point-release on their own machine.

> Perhaps it just has a tmpfs overlaid on its file system, so any change
> is only ephemeral.
> 
> so it is a slightly different usage profile than tailor-fitting a USB
> stick for a given target system.
> 
> Both have their uses.

Agreed, in different circumstances.

On Sun 26 Jun 2022 at 11:47:46 (-0400), Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > Sorry, but I can't see the attraction of a live system, as opposed to
> > just building the Debian system on a stick. Care to explain?
> 
> Speaking as someone who's used such a "Debian system on a stick" as
> a kind of replacement for a Debian live (mostly as a rescue
> environment, really): I suspect the attraction is that Debian Live has
> already been tuned for that use case (I had to make various minor
> changes to fix annoyances when "moving" the stick between systems), and

As above, the stick is for running on just the one, old Dell, laptop.

> more importantly that it shouldn't get corrupted just because you
> unplugged the stick at an "unfavorable" time.
> 
> I've had to "redo" my stick a few times and I strongly suspect it was
> because USB sticks aren't very reliable when it gets to unplugging them
> while in the middle of a write (and a normal Debian install can write
> to your stick without your explicit prompting, of course).

With careful partitioning, the damage can be limited, by making /usr
and /etc readonly, with /var separate, /tmp and any swap in memory, etc.

> Note: this was my experience almost 10 years ago.  Not sure it's
> still relevant.  And technically, I still think a normal Debian install
> tweaked to be more like Debian Live should be superior.

Cheers,
David.

Re: Proprietary WiFi drivers for live mode

[tomas]

On Sun, Jun 26, 2022 at 09:28:21AM -0500, David Wright wrote:

[...]

> > I am doing all this, when building kali-linux live-system, which building 
> > is 
> > almost the same as a debian-live system.
> > 
> > Give it a try, maybe it helps.
> 
> Sorry, but I can't see the attraction of a live system, as opposed to
> just building the Debian system on a stick. Care to explain?

If I understand correctly, a live system

 - is thought to cope with a broader range of hardware (meaning: it
   doesn't know exactly which hardware it's going to wake up on next)
 - is not supposed to touch the host system persistent storage (aka
   disks)
 - is not supposed to scribble on its own medium (unless you've set
   aside a partition for that)

Perhaps it just has a tmpfs overlaid on its file system, so any change
is only ephemeral.

so it is a slightly different usage profile than tailor-fitting a USB
stick for a given target system.

Both have their uses.

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Re: Proprietary WiFi drivers for live mode

[David Wright]

On Sun 26 Jun 2022 at 09:07:11 (+0200), Hans wrote:
> Am Sonntag, 26. Juni 2022, 08:46:02 CEST schrieb Sven Joachim:
> > On 2022-06-25 18:11 +0300, Kristijonas Lukas Bukauskas wrote:
> > > I have an old Dell laptop with Broadcom BCM43142 WiFi device
> > > (https://wiki.debian.org/wl). It doesn't have a hard drive, so I
> > > sometimes boot Debian from USB Memory Stick in live mode.
> > > The problem is that WiFi doesn't work because of the proprietary drivers
> > > it needs.
> > 
> > Probably you do not need proprietary drivers for your card, but it
> > requires non-free firmware.  Which on these old Broadcom devices is a
> > PITA, because Broadcom did not make it easily available.
> > 
> > > I tried booting it from live+nonfree image
> > > (https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmw
> > > are/11.3.0-live+nonfree/amd64/iso-hybrid/), but still no luck (WiFi
> > > doesn't work). As I understand, the needed drivers would load when
> > > installing the system, but they do not load in live mode.
> > 
> > There is a misunderstanding here.  Debian's non-free images do not
> > contain proprietary drivers, but they provide firmware for the devices,
> > so that the in-kernel drivers can actually work.
> > 
> > If the non-free image does not work, the firmware for your device is
> > missing because of licensing reasons.  There is a package named
> > firmware-b43-installer in contrib which downloads Broadcom's old drivers
> > and extracts the firmware from them. Obviously you need a network
> > connection for that, so you might have to use it on another system.
> > 
> > 1. https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/firmware-b43-installer
> 
> In your case I would suggest to build your own lifefile system with live-
> build.
> 
> Thus you have the opportunity, to add any package you want to it and build in 
> your language, and you can also add packages not availabe in the debian repo.
> 
> If you get your Dell laptop running with some additionally package from the 
> debian repo, then you can add them in your own live-build.
> 
> The original debian livefile does sometimes not include, what you need.
> 
> You might (but this does not always work!), packages fro,m Ubuntu, which are 
> not available in debian. But take care of compabilties, Ubunto sometimes do 
> their own things and packages from Ubuntu might break debian.
> 
> I am doing all this, when building kali-linux live-system, which building is 
> almost the same as a debian-live system.
> 
> Give it a try, maybe it helps.

Sorry, but I can't see the attraction of a live system, as opposed to
just building the Debian system on a stick. Care to explain?

Cheers,
David.

Re: Proprietary WiFi drivers for live mode

[didier gaumet]

Le dimanche 26 juin 2022 à 06:27 +0200, Kamil Jońca a écrit :
> piorunz  writes:
> 
> > On 25/06/2022 22:41, Charles Curley wrote:
> > 
> > > There are also USB WiFi adapters, but I cannot recommend any. 
> > > I actually use many of them and they are just fine. Many models
> > > are 100% compatible with Linux and work out of the box without
> > > installing extra drivers.
> 
> Would you be so kind and give us some links?
> 
> KJ

https://linux-hardware.org/?view=search=net%2Fwireless=usb#list

Re: Proprietary WiFi drivers for live mode

[Hans]

Am Sonntag, 26. Juni 2022, 08:46:02 CEST schrieb Sven Joachim:
In your case I would suggest to build your own lifefile system with live-
build.

Thus you have the opportunity, to add any package you want to it and build in 
your language, and you can also add packages not availabe in the debian repo.

If you get your Dell laptop running with some additionally package from the 
debian repo, then you can add them in your own live-build.

The original debian livefile does sometimes not include, what you need.

You might (but this does not always work!), packages fro,m Ubuntu, which are 
not available in debian. But take care of compabilties, Ubunto sometimes do 
their own things and packages from Ubuntu might break debian.

I am doing all this, when building kali-linux live-system, which building is 
almost the same as a debian-live system.

Give it a try, maybe it helps.

Best regards

Hans  

> On 2022-06-25 18:11 +0300, Kristijonas Lukas Bukauskas wrote:
> > I have an old Dell laptop with Broadcom BCM43142 WiFi device
> > (https://wiki.debian.org/wl). It doesn't have a hard drive, so I
> > sometimes boot Debian from USB Memory Stick in live mode.
> > The problem is that WiFi doesn't work because of the proprietary drivers
> > it needs.
> 
> Probably you do not need proprietary drivers for your card, but it
> requires non-free firmware.  Which on these old Broadcom devices is a
> PITA, because Broadcom did not make it easily available.
> 
> > I tried booting it from live+nonfree image
> > (https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmw
> > are/11.3.0-live+nonfree/amd64/iso-hybrid/), but still no luck (WiFi
> > doesn't work). As I understand, the needed drivers would load when
> > installing the system, but they do not load in live mode.
> 
> There is a misunderstanding here.  Debian's non-free images do not
> contain proprietary drivers, but they provide firmware for the devices,
> so that the in-kernel drivers can actually work.
> 
> If the non-free image does not work, the firmware for your device is
> missing because of licensing reasons.  There is a package named
> firmware-b43-installer in contrib which downloads Broadcom's old drivers
> and extracts the firmware from them. Obviously you need a network
> connection for that, so you might have to use it on another system.
> 
> Good luck,
> Sven
> 
> 
> 1. https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/firmware-b43-installer

Re: Proprietary WiFi drivers for live mode

[tomas]

On Sun, Jun 26, 2022 at 07:29:47AM -, Curt wrote:
> On 2022-06-26, Sven Joachim  wrote:
> > On 2022-06-25 18:11 +0300, Kristijonas Lukas Bukauskas wrote:
> >
> >> I have an old Dell laptop with Broadcom BCM43142 WiFi device
> >> (https://wiki.debian.org/wl). It doesn't have a hard drive, so I
> >> sometimes boot Debian from USB Memory Stick in live mode.
> >> The problem is that WiFi doesn't work because of the proprietary drivers
> >> it needs.
> >
> > Probably you do not need proprietary drivers for your card, but it
> > requires non-free firmware.  Which on these old Broadcom devices is a
> > PITA, because Broadcom did not make it easily available.
> >
> 
> I'm reading he needs to build the driver from source using
> 'broadcom-sta-dkms'.

That was my take too. I chalked that up to the inherently
ambiguous "driver" term. Perhaps we should try to be more
specific and actually say "kernel module" (that's what goes
into your kernel) or "firmware" (that's what goes into your
network card hardware).

In the current case we seem to be dealing with a kernel
module whose license isn't compatible to the kernel's, so
it can't be distributed as part of it.

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Re: Proprietary WiFi drivers for live mode

[Curt]

On 2022-06-26, Sven Joachim  wrote:
> On 2022-06-25 18:11 +0300, Kristijonas Lukas Bukauskas wrote:
>
>> I have an old Dell laptop with Broadcom BCM43142 WiFi device
>> (https://wiki.debian.org/wl). It doesn't have a hard drive, so I
>> sometimes boot Debian from USB Memory Stick in live mode.
>> The problem is that WiFi doesn't work because of the proprietary drivers
>> it needs.
>
> Probably you do not need proprietary drivers for your card, but it
> requires non-free firmware.  Which on these old Broadcom devices is a
> PITA, because Broadcom did not make it easily available.
>

I'm reading he needs to build the driver from source using
'broadcom-sta-dkms'.
  
curty@einstein:~$ apt-cache show broadcom-sta-dkms
Package: broadcom-sta-dkms
Source: broadcom-sta
Version: 6.30.223.271-5
Installed-Size: 14140
Maintainer: Eduard Bloch 
Architecture: all
Provides: broadcom-sta-modules
Depends: dkms (>= 2.1.0.0)
Recommends: wireless-tools
Conflicts: broadcom-sta-modules
Description-en: dkms source for the Broadcom STA Wireless driver
 Broadcom STA is a binary-only device driver to support the following IEEE
 802.11a/b/g/n wireless network cards: BCM4311-, BCM4312-, BCM4313-,
 BCM4321-, BCM4322-, BCM43142-, BCM43224-, BCM43225-, BCM43227-, BCM43228-,
 BCM4331-, BCM4360-, and BCM4352-based hardware.
 .
 This package provides the source code for the wl kernel modules and makes use
 of the DKMS build utility to install them for the running kernel. The
 alternative package broadcom-sta-source can be used instead in case of build
 problems.
 .
 The wireless-tools package is also required in order to make use of these

Re: Proprietary WiFi drivers for live mode

[Sven Joachim]

On 2022-06-25 18:11 +0300, Kristijonas Lukas Bukauskas wrote:

> I have an old Dell laptop with Broadcom BCM43142 WiFi device
> (https://wiki.debian.org/wl). It doesn't have a hard drive, so I
> sometimes boot Debian from USB Memory Stick in live mode.
> The problem is that WiFi doesn't work because of the proprietary drivers
> it needs.

Probably you do not need proprietary drivers for your card, but it
requires non-free firmware.  Which on these old Broadcom devices is a
PITA, because Broadcom did not make it easily available.

> I tried booting it from live+nonfree image
> (https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/11.3.0-live+nonfree/amd64/iso-hybrid/),
> but still no luck (WiFi doesn't work). As I understand, the needed
> drivers would load when installing the system, but they do not load in
> live mode.

There is a misunderstanding here.  Debian's non-free images do not
contain proprietary drivers, but they provide firmware for the devices,
so that the in-kernel drivers can actually work.

If the non-free image does not work, the firmware for your device is
missing because of licensing reasons.  There is a package named
firmware-b43-installer in contrib which downloads Broadcom's old drivers
and extracts the firmware from them. Obviously you need a network
connection for that, so you might have to use it on another system.

Good luck,
Sven


1. https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/firmware-b43-installer

Re: Proprietary WiFi drivers for live mode

[tomas]

On Sun, Jun 26, 2022 at 02:24:48AM +0100, piorunz wrote:
> On 25/06/2022 22:41, Charles Curley wrote:
> 
> > There are also USB WiFi adapters, but I cannot recommend any.
> I actually use many of them and they are just fine. Many models are 100%
> compatible with Linux and work out of the box without installing extra
> drivers.

Actually, last time I tried one of those (whatever my local store had
around) it was /easier/ to get it up and running under Linux than under
That OS That Cannot Be Named (TM).

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Re: Proprietary WiFi drivers for live mode

[tomas]

On Sat, Jun 25, 2022 at 10:34:59PM +0100, piorunz wrote:
> On 25/06/2022 22:13, Bijan Soleymani wrote:
> > On 6/25/2022 5:05 PM, piorunz wrote:
> > > On 25/06/2022 22:01, Bijan Soleymani wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Unfortunately in this case that might not work.
> > > > 
> > > > The file that is needed is wl.ko
> > > 
> > > That's what dmesg says? Can you copy entire line here?
> > 
> > I think the dmesg output is of the form
> > 
> > [time] wl: ...
> > 
> > I guess between that wl kernel module and the output of lspci you could
> > find the package through apt-file and apt-cache.
> > 
> > Bijan
> > 
> Usually it says something like this:
> 
>  9.826410] rtl8821ae :05:00.0: Direct firmware load for
> rtlwifi/rtl8821aefw_29.bin failed with error -2
> [ 9.826420] rtl8821ae :05:00.0: firmware: failed to load
> rtlwifi/rtl8821aefw.bin (-2)

Ah, but that's when you already have the driver (rtl8821ae), and
this driver looks for the firmware to push to the network card
(that would be .bin). The driver is complaining in dmesg that
it can't find the firmware.

If I understand the original case, wl, the whole kernel driver
is missing and can only be compiled at the user's site for
license reasons. That's where DKMS comes in.

There's no driver which can complain in dmesg.

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Re: Proprietary WiFi drivers for live mode

[Kamil Jońca]

piorunz  writes:

> On 25/06/2022 22:41, Charles Curley wrote:
>
>> There are also USB WiFi adapters, but I cannot recommend any.
> I actually use many of them and they are just fine. Many models are 100%
> compatible with Linux and work out of the box without installing extra
> drivers.

Would you be so kind and give us some links?

KJ

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Re: Proprietary WiFi drivers for live mode

[David Wright]

On Sat 25 Jun 2022 at 19:12:30 (+0300), Kristijonas Lukas Bukauskas wrote:
> On 2022-06-25 18:48, Bijan Soleymani wrote:
> > On 6/25/2022 11:11 AM, Kristijonas Lukas Bukauskas wrote:
> >> How do I get Wifi working right in live mode? I would prefer Debian, but
> >> any Linux ready-to-use image would work for me.
> > 
> > You can install packages on the live CD. (sudo apt update, sudo apt
> > install, etc.)
> > 
> > Whatever actions are required to get it to work on a full install you
> > can do on the live CD (assuming you have enough RAM to hold stuff on
> > ramdisk I guess).
> > 
> > As long as you don't need to reboot (which you shouldn't to load a
> > kernel module) you should be fine.
> > 
> WiFi will be the only networking option. The installation guide [1]:
> 
> > apt-get install linux-image-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') 
> > linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') broadcom-sta-dkms
> > modprobe -r b44 b43 b43legacy ssb brcmsmac bcma
> > modprobe wl
> 
> Would these packages be in 11.3.0-live+nonfree image?

I don't know where you obtained your live image, but the Debian
website typically carries:

$ ls -Glg live/11.3.0/i386-with/
total 1877468
-rw-r- 1   5584 Mar 26 12:47 SHA512SUMS
-rw-r- 1833 Mar 26 16:23 SHA512SUMS.sign  

-rw-r- 1  84346 Mar 26 12:10 
debian-live-11.3.0-i386-standard+nonfree.contents
-rw-r- 1 1921843200 Mar 26 12:10 
debian-live-11.3.0-i386-standard+nonfree.iso
-rw-r- 1 546324 Mar 26 12:10 
debian-live-11.3.0-i386-standard+nonfree.log
-rw-r- 1  30624 Mar 26 12:10 
debian-live-11.3.0-i386-standard+nonfree.packages
$ 

> I would really prefer building an image to the USB stick so that I could
> use Wi-fi right after booting the system without a need to install
> packages every single time (The laptop is used by someone else who isn't
> that programming/configuring things/terminal-commands friendly).

Like David Christensen, I'd install Debian on a USB stick (I use
netinst with firmware) on your regular computer, and then boot it
there, and install all the software that you want on your system.
If you don't actually install the wifi packages (and any firmware)
that you will need, at least make sure they're downloaded onto the
stick. When you boot it on the old laptop, you can install them then.

I've only performed this with a 16GB laptop, so I didn't put a swap
partition on the USB stick, saving wear and tear. I don't know how
much memory your old laptop has. In any case, as David points out,
use a very good stick.

There may be extra factors to consider if your regular computer and
the old laptop differ in how they boot (ie BIOS vs UEFI). My habit
has been to partition with GPT, and start with a BIOS Boot partition
followed by the ESP, ie like:

Number  Start (sector)End (sector)  Size   Code  Name
   120488191   3.0 MiB EF02  BIOS boot partition
   28192 1023999   496.0 MiB   EF00  EFI System
   … ……… …  … … ………  …  …

Cheers,
David.

Re: Proprietary WiFi drivers for live mode

[piorunz]

On 25/06/2022 22:41, Charles Curley wrote:


There are also USB WiFi adapters, but I cannot recommend any.

I actually use many of them and they are just fine. Many models are 100%
compatible with Linux and work out of the box without installing extra
drivers.

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Re: Proprietary WiFi drivers for live mode

[Charles Curley]

On Sat, 25 Jun 2022 22:05:26 +0100
piorunz  wrote:

> Sadly. Ok, so in that case try to narrow down what you exactly need,
> what packages. Once you made yourself a procedure, you can copy it
> each time. Download packages via apt download, put files on USB stick
> and install them via one line bash script (sudo dpkg -i filename.deb)
> on that laptop.

AAkkk! The OP might be better off with a USB Ethernet adapter. I use a
Plugable (that's the brand name) adapter in exactly the same situation.
Model: USB3-E1000.

There are also USB WiFi adapters, but I cannot recommend any.

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Re: Proprietary WiFi drivers for live mode

[piorunz]

On 25/06/2022 22:13, Bijan Soleymani wrote:

On 6/25/2022 5:05 PM, piorunz wrote:

On 25/06/2022 22:01, Bijan Soleymani wrote:


Unfortunately in this case that might not work.

The file that is needed is wl.ko


That's what dmesg says? Can you copy entire line here?


I think the dmesg output is of the form

[time] wl: ...

I guess between that wl kernel module and the output of lspci you could
find the package through apt-file and apt-cache.

Bijan


Usually it says something like this:

 9.826410] rtl8821ae :05:00.0: Direct firmware load for
rtlwifi/rtl8821aefw_29.bin failed with error -2
[ 9.826420] rtl8821ae :05:00.0: firmware: failed to load
rtlwifi/rtl8821aefw.bin (-2)

$ apt-file search rtl8821aefw.bin
firmware-realtek: /lib/firmware/rtlwifi/rtl8821aefw.bin

You just search for that file, download package, install that package on
offline machine. That's how I solve most of my WiFi problems.

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Re: Proprietary WiFi drivers for live mode

[Bijan Soleymani]

On 6/25/2022 5:05 PM, piorunz wrote:

On 25/06/2022 22:01, Bijan Soleymani wrote:


Unfortunately in this case that might not work.

The file that is needed is wl.ko


That's what dmesg says? Can you copy entire line here? 


I think the dmesg output is of the form

[time] wl: ...

I guess between that wl kernel module and the output of lspci you could 
find the package through apt-file and apt-cache.


Bijan

Re: Proprietary WiFi drivers for live mode

[piorunz]

On 25/06/2022 22:01, Bijan Soleymani wrote:


Unfortunately in this case that might not work.

The file that is needed is wl.ko


That's what dmesg says? Can you copy entire line here?

But it is compiled on install of the dkms package.

so:

apt-file search /wl.ko

Doesn't give anything.

You'd have to search for one of the source files:

apt-file search wl_linux.c

bijan@bijan-xps:~$ apt-file search wl_linux.c
bcmwl-kernel-source:
/usr/src/bcmwl-6.30.223.271+bdcom/src/wl/sys/wl_linux.c
broadcom-sta-dkms: /usr/src/broadcom-sta-6.30.223.271/src/wl/sys/wl_linux.c

Bijan


Sadly. Ok, so in that case try to narrow down what you exactly need,
what packages. Once you made yourself a procedure, you can copy it each
time. Download packages via apt download, put files on USB stick and
install them via one line bash script (sudo dpkg -i filename.deb) on
that laptop.

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Re: Proprietary WiFi drivers for live mode

[Bijan Soleymani]

On 6/25/2022 4:07 PM, piorunz wrote:

Don't walk in the dark. Instead, do the following:
sudo dmesg (in live mode without internet)

Error in red about network adapter will tell you exact name of the file
you need to download on machine with internet.

You do it as follows:
sudo apt update
sudo apt install apt-file
sudo apt-file update
apt-file search filename

where "filename" is exact filename missing from laptop without WiFi. 


Unfortunately in this case that might not work.

The file that is needed is wl.ko

But it is compiled on install of the dkms package.

so:

apt-file search /wl.ko

Doesn't give anything.

You'd have to search for one of the source files:

apt-file search wl_linux.c

bijan@bijan-xps:~$ apt-file search wl_linux.c
bcmwl-kernel-source: /usr/src/bcmwl-6.30.223.271+bdcom/src/wl/sys/wl_linux.c
broadcom-sta-dkms: /usr/src/broadcom-sta-6.30.223.271/src/wl/sys/wl_linux.c

Bijan

Re: Proprietary WiFi drivers for live mode

[David Christensen]

On 6/25/22 08:11, Kristijonas Lukas Bukauskas wrote:

Hello,

I have an old Dell laptop with Broadcom BCM43142 WiFi device
(https://wiki.debian.org/wl). It doesn't have a hard drive, so I
sometimes boot Debian from USB Memory Stick in live mode.
The problem is that WiFi doesn't work because of the proprietary drivers
it needs.

I tried booting it from live+nonfree image
(https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/11.3.0-live+nonfree/amd64/iso-hybrid/),
but still no luck (WiFi doesn't work). As I understand, the needed
drivers would load when installing the system, but they do not load in
live mode.

How do I get Wifi working right in live mode? I would prefer Debian, but
any Linux ready-to-use image would work for me.

Thanks for any help!



I use a desktop machine with a wired Ethernet connection to do an 
install of Debian on to a USB flash drive (SanDisk Ultra Fit USB 3.0 16 
GB).  Once installed, I boot the USB flash drive and install whatever 
else I want or need (such as Wi-Fi drivers).



David

Re: Proprietary WiFi drivers for live mode

[piorunz]

On 25/06/2022 17:12, Kristijonas Lukas Bukauskas wrote:

Would these packages be in 11.3.0-live+nonfree image?


Don't walk in the dark. Instead, do the following:
sudo dmesg (in live mode without internet)

Error in red about network adapter will tell you exact name of the file
you need to download on machine with internet.

You do it as follows:
sudo apt update
sudo apt install apt-file
sudo apt-file update
apt-file search filename

where "filename" is exact filename missing from laptop without WiFi.
Result of this command will tell you exact name of package which
contains this file. Download it:
apt download package-name

From now on, you can put it on USB stick, and each time you boot your
LiveCD, you install this package and internet starts working.

This works in majority of cases, sometimes activation of WiFi driver
requires reboot, so no luck, or firmware installer download separate
files from internet. But try it, it may work for you and saves you
installing random packages off debian repo without knowing which you you
actually need.

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Re: Proprietary WiFi drivers for live mode

[Bijan Soleymani]

On 6/25/2022 2:40 PM, Bijan Soleymani wrote:


And after that I see:

/lib/modules/5.15.0-25-generic/updates/dkms/wk.ko 


That should be wl.ko

Also once you boot the live cd you can choose:

try ubuntu

then at the ubuntu desktop instead of the sudo apt install 
bcmwl-kernel-source


you can choose additional drivers (from the list of programs in activities)

Bijan

Re: Proprietary WiFi drivers for live mode

[Bijan Soleymani]

On 6/25/2022 12:12 PM, Kristijonas Lukas Bukauskas wrote:
apt-get install linux-image-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') 
linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') broadcom-sta-dkms

modprobe -r b44 b43 b43legacy ssb brcmsmac bcma
modprobe wl

Would these packages be in 11.3.0-live+nonfree image?
I just tried in virtualbox. It looks like broadcmon-sta-dkms wasn't 
available (didn't check all the other packages).

I would really prefer building an image to the USB stick so that I could
use Wi-fi right after booting the system without a need to install
packages every single time (The laptop is used by someone else who isn't
that programming/configuring things/terminal-commands friendly).


If you can find the instructions to make a live CD, you should be able 
to add that module or any necessary utilities.


Although it looks like it is on the ubuntu 22.04 install/live CD as package:

sudo apt install bcmwl-kernel-source

(I just booted ubuntu dekstop 22.04 live install/DVD in virtualbox with 
no networking and installed that package)


And after that I see:

/lib/modules/5.15.0-25-generic/updates/dkms/wk.ko

Bijan

Re: Proprietary WiFi drivers for live mode

[Kristijonas Lukas Bukauskas]

Hi Bijan,

thanks for your message.

On 2022-06-25 18:48, Bijan Soleymani wrote:
> On 6/25/2022 11:11 AM, Kristijonas Lukas Bukauskas wrote:
>> How do I get Wifi working right in live mode? I would prefer Debian, but
>> any Linux ready-to-use image would work for me.
>>
>> Thanks for any help!
> 
> You can install packages on the live CD. (sudo apt update, sudo apt
> install, etc.)
> 
> Whatever actions are required to get it to work on a full install you
> can do on the live CD (assuming you have enough RAM to hold stuff on
> ramdisk I guess).
> 
> As long as you don't need to reboot (which you shouldn't to load a
> kernel module) you should be fine.
> 
> Bijan


WiFi will be the only networking option. The installation guide [1]:

> apt-get install linux-image-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') 
> linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') broadcom-sta-dkms
> modprobe -r b44 b43 b43legacy ssb brcmsmac bcma
> modprobe wl

Would these packages be in 11.3.0-live+nonfree image?

I would really prefer building an image to the USB stick so that I could
use Wi-fi right after booting the system without a need to install
packages every single time (The laptop is used by someone else who isn't
that programming/configuring things/terminal-commands friendly).


[1] https://wiki.debian.org/wl#Installation
-- 
Kristijonas




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Re: Proprietary WiFi drivers for live mode

[Bijan Soleymani]

 6/25/2022 11:48 AM, Bijan Soleymani wrote:
You can install packages on the live CD. (sudo apt update, sudo apt 
install, etc.)


Obviously if that wifi adapter is your only networking option on that 
machine, you won't be able to download packages


and will have to make sure they are on the bootable drive or some other 
drive.


Bijan

Re: Proprietary WiFi drivers for live mode

[Bijan Soleymani]

On 6/25/2022 11:11 AM, Kristijonas Lukas Bukauskas wrote:

How do I get Wifi working right in live mode? I would prefer Debian, but
any Linux ready-to-use image would work for me.

Thanks for any help!


You can install packages on the live CD. (sudo apt update, sudo apt 
install, etc.)


Whatever actions are required to get it to work on a full install you 
can do on the live CD (assuming you have enough RAM to hold stuff on 
ramdisk I guess).


As long as you don't need to reboot (which you shouldn't to load a 
kernel module) you should be fine.


Bijan

Proprietary WiFi drivers for live mode

[Kristijonas Lukas Bukauskas]

Hello,

I have an old Dell laptop with Broadcom BCM43142 WiFi device
(https://wiki.debian.org/wl). It doesn't have a hard drive, so I
sometimes boot Debian from USB Memory Stick in live mode.
The problem is that WiFi doesn't work because of the proprietary drivers
it needs.

I tried booting it from live+nonfree image
(https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/11.3.0-live+nonfree/amd64/iso-hybrid/),
but still no luck (WiFi doesn't work). As I understand, the needed
drivers would load when installing the system, but they do not load in
live mode.

How do I get Wifi working right in live mode? I would prefer Debian, but
any Linux ready-to-use image would work for me.

Thanks for any help!

-- 
Kristijonas

Re: Authentication required message window after nvidia drivers installation.

[Thanos Katsiolis]

The problem was what the message was about, there was a problem with the
login keyring.

Usually, the login keyring has the same password as the user's account. For
some reason this had somehow changed in my case, and since I could not
remember the login keyring password, I deleted it.

I have a GNOME desktop environment, and the installation of Nvidia drivers
somehow made it get activated in the cases I mentioned earlier.

On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 3:24 PM Thanos Katsiolis 
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> the title of the post says pretty much everything.
> I have the NVIDIA Quadro P400 graphics card and installed the NVIDIA
> drivers as described in Debian wiki NVIDIA Proprietary Driver
> <https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers> for Debian 11.2.
>
> The message appears when an Application starts or when a window from an
> application opens. Some applications were left with a blank screen
> when launching, but after a restart, when I press escape on the message,
> the application starts normally.
> Any ideas on how to fix it?
>

Re: Authentication required message window after nvidia drivers installation.

[Thanos Katsiolis]

The problem was what the message was about, there was a problem with the
login keyring.

Usually, the login keyring has the same password with the user's account.
For some reason this had somehow changed in my case, and since I could not
remember the login keyring password, I deleted it.

I have GNOME desktop environment, and the installation of Nvidia drivers
somehow made it get activated in the cases I mention earlier.

>

Re: Authentication required message window after nvidia drivers installation.

[Thanos Katsiolis]

Hello Andrei, thank you for your answer,

and sorry for my late answer, but today again I have access to this
machine.

On Sat, Jan 22, 2022 at 9:51 AM Andrei POPESCU 
wrote:

>
> This is likely completely unrelated to installing the NVIDIA drivers.
>
>
I am certain that it has to be something with the NVIDIA drivers
installation, because this started immediately after installing the
drivers. For over a month that the drivers were not installed, there was no
problem.


> Please provide more information about your Desktop Environment and the
> applications that exhibit this behaviour.
>
> Any other non-Debian software on the system?
>

I use the GNOME Wayland. Furthermore, there are various applications that
exhibit this behavior like Spotify, Skype and PyCharm. The message
appears when an application launches or when it opens a new window and not
while using the application, for example when browsing Spotify.


>
> The output of 'id' in a terminal might provide some hints as well (feel
> free to obscure your user and group name, the interesting part is what
> other groups, if any, your user is a member of).
>
>
The output of the command says that me account is also part of a group.
This is not a home setup. Can should I see particularly from 'id'?


> Kind regards,
> Andrei
> --
> http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser


Kind regards,
- Thanos.

Re: Authentication required message window after nvidia drivers installation.

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Vi, 21 ian 22, 15:24:29, Thanos Katsiolis wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> the title of the post says pretty much everything.
> I have the NVIDIA Quadro P400 graphics card and installed the NVIDIA
> drivers as described in Debian wiki NVIDIA Proprietary Driver
> <https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers> for Debian 11.2.
> 
> The message appears when an Application starts or when a window from an
> application opens. Some applications were left with a blank screen
> when launching, but after a restart, when I press escape on the message,
> the application starts normally.
> Any ideas on how to fix it?

This is likely completely unrelated to installing the NVIDIA drivers.

Please provide more information about your Desktop Environment and the 
applications that exhibit this behaviour.

Any other non-Debian software on the system?

The output of 'id' in a terminal might provide some hints as well (feel 
free to obscure your user and group name, the interesting part is what 
other groups, if any, your user is a member of).

Kind regards,
Andrei
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Re: Authentication required message window after nvidia drivers installation.

[Christian Britz]

Hi,

this is certainly very strange behaviour which I never experienced at
the time when I was using the NVDIA closed-source drivers.
It actually sounds a little bit alarming to me.

Regards,
Christian

On 2022-01-21 14:24 UTC+0100, Thanos Katsiolis wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> the title of the post says pretty much everything.
> I have the NVIDIA Quadro P400 graphics card and installed the NVIDIA
> drivers as described in Debian wiki NVIDIA Proprietary Driver
> <https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers> for Debian 11.2.
> 
> The message appears when an Application starts or when a window from an
> application opens. Some applications were left with a blank screen
> when launching, but after a restart, when I press escape on the message,
> the application starts normally.
> Any ideas on how to fix it?

Authentication required message window after nvidia drivers installation.

[Thanos Katsiolis]

Hello,

the title of the post says pretty much everything.
I have the NVIDIA Quadro P400 graphics card and installed the NVIDIA
drivers as described in Debian wiki NVIDIA Proprietary Driver
<https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers> for Debian 11.2.

The message appears when an Application starts or when a window from an
application opens. Some applications were left with a blank screen
when launching, but after a restart, when I press escape on the message,
the application starts normally.
Any ideas on how to fix it?

Re: Ensuring network connectivity no Ethernet [WAS Re: Drivers to Debian installer]

[Brian]

On Mon 13 Dec 2021 at 22:39:24 -0600, David Wright wrote:

> On Sun 21 Nov 2021 at 17:53:57 (+), Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> > On Sun, Nov 21, 2021 at 05:46:13PM +, Brian wrote:
> > > On Sun 21 Nov 2021 at 16:30:06 +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
>
> [ … ]
>
> > > > A complication is that this is a gaming laptop with two video displays.
> > > > If you wish to use both, then there are difficulties in doing so.
> > > >
> > > > I would suggest booting from the isntaller and doing an expert install.
> > >
> > > I agee with that.
> > >
> > > > Stop without installing any desktop - so unselect a Debian desktop.
> > >
> > > Normally I would agree with this too, but the lack of ethernet is likely
> > > to lead to an issue with connectivity after first boot. See
> > >
> > >   https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=694068
>
> Quoting this:
>
>  "If this bug is going to be kept ANOTHER Debian release,
>   can you at least warn people about it in the buster Installation Guide?"
>
> I don't see anything about it in the bullseye one.
>
> > No Ethernet means additional complications :)
> >
> > WiFi firmware - the nonfree firmware-iwlwifi probably - will be installed
> > as part of the initial install - so you should have network connectivity
> > for that at least.
>
> … during the installation phase only, in case that's not clear.
>
> > I'd install Network Manager and nmtui to set up a minimal wireless interface
> > thereafter. You can do that either by dropping to a shell in the initial
> > install or by using the rescue mode of the installer to chroot to the 
> > installed
> >  system and go from there.
>
> I think it's far simpler than that, and I've added a comment to BTS
> #694068 that might avoid its needing a trixie tag in the future.

A preseed directive may be used to avoid having only a lo interface in
/e/n/i:

  d-i netcfg/target_network_config select ifupdown

>From the netcfg templates file:

 Template: netcfg/target_network_config
 Type: select
 Choices-C: nm_config, ifupdown, loopback
 Choices: Network Manager, ifupdown (/etc/network/interfaces), No network 
configuration
 Description: for internal use; can be preseeded
 Specifies what kind of network connection management tool should be
 configured post-installation if multiple are available. Automatic
 selection is used in this order when not specified: network-manager if
 available (on Linux only), ethernet configuration through ifupdown on wired
 installation and loopback configuration through ifupdown on wireless
 installations.

Re: Ensuring network connectivity no Ethernet [WAS Re: Drivers to Debian installer]

[David Wright]

On Sun 21 Nov 2021 at 17:53:57 (+), Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 21, 2021 at 05:46:13PM +, Brian wrote:
> > On Sun 21 Nov 2021 at 16:30:06 +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:

[ … ]

> > > A complication is that this is a gaming laptop with two video displays.
> > > If you wish to use both, then there are difficulties in doing so.
> > > 
> > > I would suggest booting from the isntaller and doing an expert install.
> > 
> > I agee with that.
> >  
> > > Stop without installing any desktop - so unselect a Debian desktop.
> > 
> > Normally I would agree with this too, but the lack of ethernet is likely
> > to lead to an issue with connectivity after first boot. See
> > 
> >   https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=694068

Quoting this:

 "If this bug is going to be kept ANOTHER Debian release,
  can you at least warn people about it in the buster Installation Guide?"

I don't see anything about it in the bullseye one.

> No Ethernet means additional complications :)
> 
> WiFi firmware - the nonfree firmware-iwlwifi probably - will be installed
> as part of the initial install - so you should have network connectivity 
> for that at least.

… during the installation phase only, in case that's not clear.

> I'd install Network Manager and nmtui to set up a minimal wireless interface
> thereafter. You can do that either by dropping to a shell in the initial
> install or by using the rescue mode of the installer to chroot to the 
> installed
>  system and go from there.

I think it's far simpler than that, and I've added a comment to BTS
#694068 that might avoid its needing a trixie tag in the future.

> This is one of the reasons why I keep around a USB -> Ethernet adapter but
> I recognise that I'm an oddity here.

A student would have nowhere to plug it into at the university down
the road from here. They provide WiFi connectivity, and that's it.

Cheers,
David.

Re: Ensuring network connectivity no Ethernet [WAS Re: Drivers to Debian installer]

[Brian]

On Sun 21 Nov 2021 at 18:06:53 +, Brian wrote:

[...]

> Assuming a wireless connection is established by the installer it will
> remain available after first boot, irrespective of whether a DE is
> installed or not.

This completely contradicts what I said before. Substitute "ethernet"
for "wireless". Either that or ignore my contribtion to this thread :).

-- 
Brian.

Re: Ensuring network connectivity no Ethernet [WAS Re: Drivers to Debian installer]

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Sun, Nov 21, 2021 at 06:06:53PM +, Brian wrote:
> On Sun 21 Nov 2021 at 17:53:57 +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, Nov 21, 2021 at 05:46:13PM +, Brian wrote:
> > > On Sun 21 Nov 2021 at 16:30:06 +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> > > 
> > > > On Sun, Nov 21, 2021 at 05:38:56PM +0300, John Berden wrote:
> > > > > Hi all!
> > > > > 
> > > > > I have Acer Nitra 5 laptop with the following parameters:
> > > > > Six-core Intel i5-11400H
> > > > > System board chipset Intel Tiger Point HM570, Intel Tiger Lake-H
> > > > > DIMM1: Samsung M471A1K43EB1-CWE
> > > > > DIMM3: Samsung M471A1K43EB1-CWE
> > > > > Integrated video Intel(R) UHD Graphics
> > > > > Discrete video NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3050 Ti Laptop GPU
> > > > > 
> > > > > Can I embed Drivers for these devices to Debian installer?
> > > 
> > > If you really mean drivers (and not firmware) I think the answer is
> > > "no". At least not easily.
> > > 
> > > > > Or at least how can I embed a WiFi driver?
> > > > > I use Firmware-11.1.0-AMD64-DVD-1.Iso
> > > > > 
> > > > > Thanks in advance!
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Hi John,
> > > > 
> > > > Use the firmware .iso you have to install Debian. At the point at which 
> > > > you need firmware, the installer should supply it.
> > > 
> > > Firmware for network devices only, I believe.
> > >  
> > > > If you have an Ethernet port and can used a wired interface to bootstrap
> > > > installation do so.
> > > 
> > > I took a quick look at the specs for this machine. It does not appear
> > > to have an ethernet interface.
> > >  
> > > > A complication is that this is a gaming laptop with two video displays.
> > > > If you wish to use both, then there are difficulties in doing so.
> > > > 
> > > > I would suggest booting from the isntaller and doing an expert install.
> > > 
> > > I agee with that.
> > >  
> > > > Stop without installing any desktop - so unselect a Debian desktop.
> > > 
> > > Normally I would agree with this too, but the lack of ethernet is likely
> > > to lead to an issue with connectivity after first boot. See
> > > 
> > >   https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=694068
> > > 

In this _particular_ instance ideally no DE because of the problem of 2x
video interfaces


> > > > Complete the install as text only if you can.
> > > > 
> > > > Decide whether you want to use the proprietary Nvidia drivers or not.
> > > > 
> > > > Install the bumblebee utilities as appropriate
> > > > 
> > > > If using the Nvidia propriatary drivers, install the nvidia-driver 
> > > > utilities
> > > > as prompted.
> > > > 
> > > > Once that's done: reboot.
> > > > 
> > > > Only at that point install a desktop using tasksel as root/root 
> > > > equivalent.
> > > > 
> > > > Hope this helps, I don't particularly have a gaming laptop to install 
> > > > on.
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > Brian.
> > > 
> > 
> > No Ethernet means additional complications :)
> 
> The particuler complication I mentioned only arises should a DE not be
> installed. This has been recognised as a Debian hoop to jump through.
>  
> > WiFi firmware - the nonfree firmware-iwlwifi probably - will be installed
> > as part of the initial install - so you should have network connectivity 
> > for that at least.
> 
> Assuming a wireless connection is established by the installer it will
> remain available after first boot, irrespective of whether a DE is
> installed or not. 
> 
> > I'd install Network Manager and nmtui to set up a minimal wireless interface
> > thereafter. You can do that either by dropping to a shell in the initial
> > install or by using the rescue mode of the installer to chroot to the 
> > installed
> >  system and go from there.
> 
> Installing a DE will probably pull in network-manager.
> 

See above: explicitly trying _not_ to install a DE until the video is 
configured.

> > This is one of the reasons why I keep around a USB -> Ethernet adapter but
> > I recognise that I'm an oddity here.
> 
> Not a bad idea. Should it be necessary, though?
> 

No - but for this sort of thing - or where the onboard wifi interface
requires a driver to be built / downloaded - Broadcom and fwcutter, I'm
looking at you - then this is the only way to get it all to work.
[Have done this for Raspberry Pi boards without wifi and Ethernet in order to
get the wifi drivers for a USB dongle to compile]

All best,

Andy Cater

> -- 
> Brian.
> 

Re: Ensuring network connectivity no Ethernet [WAS Re: Drivers to Debian installer]

[Brian]

On Sun 21 Nov 2021 at 17:53:57 +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:

> On Sun, Nov 21, 2021 at 05:46:13PM +, Brian wrote:
> > On Sun 21 Nov 2021 at 16:30:06 +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> > 
> > > On Sun, Nov 21, 2021 at 05:38:56PM +0300, John Berden wrote:
> > > > Hi all!
> > > > 
> > > > I have Acer Nitra 5 laptop with the following parameters:
> > > > Six-core Intel i5-11400H
> > > > System board chipset Intel Tiger Point HM570, Intel Tiger Lake-H
> > > > DIMM1: Samsung M471A1K43EB1-CWE
> > > > DIMM3: Samsung M471A1K43EB1-CWE
> > > > Integrated video Intel(R) UHD Graphics
> > > > Discrete video NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3050 Ti Laptop GPU
> > > > 
> > > > Can I embed Drivers for these devices to Debian installer?
> > 
> > If you really mean drivers (and not firmware) I think the answer is
> > "no". At least not easily.
> > 
> > > > Or at least how can I embed a WiFi driver?
> > > > I use Firmware-11.1.0-AMD64-DVD-1.Iso
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks in advance!
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Hi John,
> > > 
> > > Use the firmware .iso you have to install Debian. At the point at which 
> > > you need firmware, the installer should supply it.
> > 
> > Firmware for network devices only, I believe.
> >  
> > > If you have an Ethernet port and can used a wired interface to bootstrap
> > > installation do so.
> > 
> > I took a quick look at the specs for this machine. It does not appear
> > to have an ethernet interface.
> >  
> > > A complication is that this is a gaming laptop with two video displays.
> > > If you wish to use both, then there are difficulties in doing so.
> > > 
> > > I would suggest booting from the isntaller and doing an expert install.
> > 
> > I agee with that.
> >  
> > > Stop without installing any desktop - so unselect a Debian desktop.
> > 
> > Normally I would agree with this too, but the lack of ethernet is likely
> > to lead to an issue with connectivity after first boot. See
> > 
> >   https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=694068
> > 
> > > Complete the install as text only if you can.
> > > 
> > > Decide whether you want to use the proprietary Nvidia drivers or not.
> > > 
> > > Install the bumblebee utilities as appropriate
> > > 
> > > If using the Nvidia propriatary drivers, install the nvidia-driver 
> > > utilities
> > > as prompted.
> > > 
> > > Once that's done: reboot.
> > > 
> > > Only at that point install a desktop using tasksel as root/root 
> > > equivalent.
> > > 
> > > Hope this helps, I don't particularly have a gaming laptop to install on.
> > 
> > -- 
> > Brian.
> > 
> 
> No Ethernet means additional complications :)

The particuler complication I mentioned only arises should a DE not be
installed. This has been recognised as a Debian hoop to jump through.
 
> WiFi firmware - the nonfree firmware-iwlwifi probably - will be installed
> as part of the initial install - so you should have network connectivity 
> for that at least.

Assuming a wireless connection is established by the installer it will
remain available after first boot, irrespective of whether a DE is
installed or not. 

> I'd install Network Manager and nmtui to set up a minimal wireless interface
> thereafter. You can do that either by dropping to a shell in the initial
> install or by using the rescue mode of the installer to chroot to the 
> installed
>  system and go from there.

Installing a DE will probably pull in network-manager.

> This is one of the reasons why I keep around a USB -> Ethernet adapter but
> I recognise that I'm an oddity here.

Not a bad idea. Should it be necessary, though?

-- 
Brian.

Ensuring network connectivity no Ethernet [WAS Re: Drivers to Debian installer]

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Sun, Nov 21, 2021 at 05:46:13PM +, Brian wrote:
> On Sun 21 Nov 2021 at 16:30:06 +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, Nov 21, 2021 at 05:38:56PM +0300, John Berden wrote:
> > > Hi all!
> > > 
> > > I have Acer Nitra 5 laptop with the following parameters:
> > > Six-core Intel i5-11400H
> > > System board chipset Intel Tiger Point HM570, Intel Tiger Lake-H
> > > DIMM1: Samsung M471A1K43EB1-CWE
> > > DIMM3: Samsung M471A1K43EB1-CWE
> > > Integrated video Intel(R) UHD Graphics
> > > Discrete video NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3050 Ti Laptop GPU
> > > 
> > > Can I embed Drivers for these devices to Debian installer?
> 
> If you really mean drivers (and not firmware) I think the answer is
> "no". At least not easily.
> 
> > > Or at least how can I embed a WiFi driver?
> > > I use Firmware-11.1.0-AMD64-DVD-1.Iso
> > > 
> > > Thanks in advance!
> > > 
> > 
> > Hi John,
> > 
> > Use the firmware .iso you have to install Debian. At the point at which 
> > you need firmware, the installer should supply it.
> 
> Firmware for network devices only, I believe.
>  
> > If you have an Ethernet port and can used a wired interface to bootstrap
> > installation do so.
> 
> I took a quick look at the specs for this machine. It does not appear
> to have an ethernet interface.
>  
> > A complication is that this is a gaming laptop with two video displays.
> > If you wish to use both, then there are difficulties in doing so.
> > 
> > I would suggest booting from the isntaller and doing an expert install.
> 
> I agee with that.
>  
> > Stop without installing any desktop - so unselect a Debian desktop.
> 
> Normally I would agree with this too, but the lack of ethernet is likely
> to lead to an issue with connectivity after first boot. See
> 
>   https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=694068
> 
> > Complete the install as text only if you can.
> > 
> > Decide whether you want to use the proprietary Nvidia drivers or not.
> > 
> > Install the bumblebee utilities as appropriate
> > 
> > If using the Nvidia propriatary drivers, install the nvidia-driver utilities
> > as prompted.
> > 
> > Once that's done: reboot.
> > 
> > Only at that point install a desktop using tasksel as root/root equivalent.
> > 
> > Hope this helps, I don't particularly have a gaming laptop to install on.
> 
> -- 
> Brian.
> 

No Ethernet means additional complications :)

WiFi firmware - the nonfree firmware-iwlwifi probably - will be installed
as part of the initial install - so you should have network connectivity 
for that at least.

I'd install Network Manager and nmtui to set up a minimal wireless interface
thereafter. You can do that either by dropping to a shell in the initial
install or by using the rescue mode of the installer to chroot to the installed
 system and go from there.

This is one of the reasons why I keep around a USB -> Ethernet adapter but
I recognise that I'm an oddity here.

All the very best, as ever,

Andy Cater

Re: Drivers to Debian installer

[Brian]

On Sun 21 Nov 2021 at 16:30:06 +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:

> On Sun, Nov 21, 2021 at 05:38:56PM +0300, John Berden wrote:
> > Hi all!
> > 
> > I have Acer Nitra 5 laptop with the following parameters:
> > Six-core Intel i5-11400H
> > System board chipset Intel Tiger Point HM570, Intel Tiger Lake-H
> > DIMM1: Samsung M471A1K43EB1-CWE
> > DIMM3: Samsung M471A1K43EB1-CWE
> > Integrated video Intel(R) UHD Graphics
> > Discrete video NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3050 Ti Laptop GPU
> > 
> > Can I embed Drivers for these devices to Debian installer?

If you really mean drivers (and not firmware) I think the answer is
"no". At least not easily.

> > Or at least how can I embed a WiFi driver?
> > I use Firmware-11.1.0-AMD64-DVD-1.Iso
> > 
> > Thanks in advance!
> > 
> 
> Hi John,
> 
> Use the firmware .iso you have to install Debian. At the point at which 
> you need firmware, the installer should supply it.

Firmware for network devices only, I believe.
 
> If you have an Ethernet port and can used a wired interface to bootstrap
> installation do so.

I took a quick look at the specs for this machine. It does not appear
to have an ethernet interface.
 
> A complication is that this is a gaming laptop with two video displays.
> If you wish to use both, then there are difficulties in doing so.
> 
> I would suggest booting from the isntaller and doing an expert install.

I agee with that.
 
> Stop without installing any desktop - so unselect a Debian desktop.

Normally I would agree with this too, but the lack of ethernet is likely
to lead to an issue with connectivity after first boot. See

  https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=694068

> Complete the install as text only if you can.
> 
> Decide whether you want to use the proprietary Nvidia drivers or not.
> 
> Install the bumblebee utilities as appropriate
> 
> If using the Nvidia propriatary drivers, install the nvidia-driver utilities
> as prompted.
> 
> Once that's done: reboot.
> 
> Only at that point install a desktop using tasksel as root/root equivalent.
> 
> Hope this helps, I don't particularly have a gaming laptop to install on.

-- 
Brian.

Re: Drivers to Debian installer

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Sun, Nov 21, 2021 at 05:38:56PM +0300, John Berden wrote:
> Hi all!
> 
> I have Acer Nitra 5 laptop with the following parameters:
> Six-core Intel i5-11400H
> System board chipset Intel Tiger Point HM570, Intel Tiger Lake-H
> DIMM1: Samsung M471A1K43EB1-CWE
> DIMM3: Samsung M471A1K43EB1-CWE
> Integrated video Intel(R) UHD Graphics
> Discrete video NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3050 Ti Laptop GPU
> 
> Can I embed Drivers for these devices to Debian installer?
> Or at least how can I embed a WiFi driver?
> I use Firmware-11.1.0-AMD64-DVD-1.Iso
> 
> Thanks in advance!
> 

Hi John,

Use the firmware .iso you have to install Debian. At the point at which 
you need firmware, the installer should supply it.

If you have an Ethernet port and can used a wired interface to bootstrap
installation do so.

A complication is that this is a gaming laptop with two video displays.
If you wish to use both, then there are difficulties in doing so.

I would suggest booting from the isntaller and doing an expert install.

Stop without installing any desktop - so unselect a Debian desktop.

Complete the install as text only if you can.

Decide whether you want to use the proprietary Nvidia drivers or not.

Install the bumblebee utilities as appropriate

If using the Nvidia propriatary drivers, install the nvidia-driver utilities
as prompted.

Once that's done: reboot.

Only at that point install a desktop using tasksel as root/root equivalent.

Hope this helps, I don't particularly have a gaming laptop to install on.

All the very best, as ever,

Andy Cater

Drivers to Debian installer

[John Berden]

Hi all!

I have Acer Nitra 5 laptop with the following parameters:
Six-core Intel i5-11400H
System board chipset Intel Tiger Point HM570, Intel Tiger Lake-H
DIMM1: Samsung M471A1K43EB1-CWE
DIMM3: Samsung M471A1K43EB1-CWE
Integrated video Intel(R) UHD Graphics
Discrete video NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3050 Ti Laptop GPU

Can I embed Drivers for these devices to Debian installer?
Or at least how can I embed a WiFi driver?
I use Firmware-11.1.0-AMD64-DVD-1.Iso

Thanks in advance!

Re: problemas al compilar nvidia drivers

[Jhosue rui]

El jue, 11 nov 2021 a las 21:34, Alejandro G. Sanchez Martinez
() escribió:
>
> Hola tengo una tarjeta de video vieja y necesito los dirver propietarios
> de nvidia  los 340 pero ya no son soportado por debian bulleye (lastima
> que se esta olvidando el soporte para cosas viejas)
>
> ya desactive los drivers nouvea que al ser utilizados con kdenlive que
> es lo que mas me urge utilizar en este momento  no puedo compilarlos, el
> erro que me arroja es el siguiente:
>
>  echo >&2 "  ERROR: Kernel configuration is invalid.";\
>  echo >&2 " include/generated/autoconf.h or
> include/config/auto.conf are missing.";\
>  echo >&2 " Run 'make oldconfig && make prepare' on kernel src
> to fix it.";   \
>
> No se si a alguien le a pasado algo parecido y pueda apoyarme ya que me
> urge editar 60 videos y debian no me esta dado el ancho con los driver
> libres de nvidia se bloquea  muy seguido con el kdenelive.
>
> Gracias.
>
>
> el kernel que tengo es el que se instalar por default, no esta
> recompilado por mi.
>
>  uname -a
>  5.10.0-9-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.10.70-1 (2021-09-30) x86_64 GNU/Linux
>

Saldos.

Yo estoy en un caso similar al tuyo y resolví el asunto a la "debian way".

1.- Agrega el repositorio de fuentes de sid (en donde todavía están
las fuentes debanizadas del controlador NVIDIA viejo)
2.- crea un directorio como usuario no root y entra en el
3.- Baja las fuentes: apt-get source  nvidia-graphics-drivers-legacy-340xx
4.- Luego instala las dependencias: apt-get build-dep
nvidia-graphics-drivers-legacy-340xx
5.- Entras al directorio que se creó con las fuentes descomprimidas
6.- Ejecutas dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot (debes tener instalado
fakeroot y las debianutils)
7.- Al terminar la compilacion te deben quedar los archivos .deb del
instalador en el directorio padre.

Comentarios: Se presentan ciertos fallos e inestabilidades, pero en mi
caso puedo obviarlos.

Suerte
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Re: problemas al compilar nvidia drivers

[Camaleón]

El 2021-11-11 a las 19:12 -0600, Alejandro G. Sanchez Martinez escribió:

> Hola tengo una tarjeta de video vieja y necesito los dirver propietarios
> de nvidia  los 340 pero ya no son soportado por debian bulleye (lastima
> que se esta olvidando el soporte para cosas viejas)

EL ecosistema linux en general y Debian en particular, suelen ser 
bastante amables con los viejos componentes, si no está disponible su 
razón técnica habrá.

Los controladores que buscas están en el repositorio de Debian pero para
versiones antiguas (buster, strech):

https://packages.debian.org/buster/nvidia-legacy-340xx-driver

En nVidia indican que la versión 340 (legacy) no admite versiones de 
kernel modernas, motivo por el cual no está disponible en los repos:

https://www.nvidia.com/Download/driverResults.aspx/135161/en-us

The 340.xx legacy Unified Memory kernel module is incompatible with 
recent Linux kernels, and the GPU hardware generations that the 340.xx 
legacy driver series is intended to support do not support Unified 
Memory.

> ya desactive los drivers nouvea que al ser utilizados con kdenlive que
> es lo que mas me urge utilizar en este momento  no puedo compilarlos, el
> erro que me arroja es el siguiente:
> 
>  echo >&2 "  ERROR: Kernel configuration is invalid.";    \
>  echo >&2 " include/generated/autoconf.h or
> include/config/auto.conf are missing.";\
>  echo >&2 " Run 'make oldconfig && make prepare' on kernel src
> to fix it.";   \
> 
> No se si a alguien le a pasado algo parecido y pueda apoyarme ya que me
> urge editar 60 videos y debian no me esta dado el ancho con los driver
> libres de nvidia se bloquea  muy seguido con el kdenelive.
> 
> Gracias.
> 
> 
> el kernel que tengo es el que se instalar por default, no esta
> recompilado por mi.
> 
>  uname -a
>  5.10.0-9-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.10.70-1 (2021-09-30) x86_64 GNU/Linux

Mira a ver si lo que comentan en este hilo te sirve o te da alguna 
pista de dónde buscar:

Need 340 driver patch for kernel 5.8
https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/need-340-driver-patch-for-kernel-5-8/165517/2

Saludos,

-- 
Camaleón 

problemas al compilar nvidia drivers

[Alejandro G. Sanchez Martinez]

Hola tengo una tarjeta de video vieja y necesito los dirver propietarios
de nvidia  los 340 pero ya no son soportado por debian bulleye (lastima
que se esta olvidando el soporte para cosas viejas)

ya desactive los drivers nouvea que al ser utilizados con kdenlive que
es lo que mas me urge utilizar en este momento  no puedo compilarlos, el
erro que me arroja es el siguiente:

 echo >&2 "  ERROR: Kernel configuration is invalid.";    \
 echo >&2 " include/generated/autoconf.h or
include/config/auto.conf are missing.";\
 echo >&2 " Run 'make oldconfig && make prepare' on kernel src
to fix it.";   \

No se si a alguien le a pasado algo parecido y pueda apoyarme ya que me
urge editar 60 videos y debian no me esta dado el ancho con los driver
libres de nvidia se bloquea  muy seguido con el kdenelive.

Gracias.


el kernel que tengo es el que se instalar por default, no esta
recompilado por mi.

 uname -a
 5.10.0-9-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.10.70-1 (2021-09-30) x86_64 GNU/Linux

Re: Proprietary USB Drivers; Ya Gotta' Love'em.

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Sb, 25 sep 21, 22:30:30, Martin McCormick wrote:
> So, what is the easiest route to end up with a kernel that has
> this patch in it?

This should at least get you started:

https://kernel-team.pages.debian.net/kernel-handbook/ch-common-tasks.html

Kind regards,
Andrei
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Re: Proprietary USB Drivers; Ya Gotta' Love'em.

[Keith Bainbridge]

Good afternoon

Have you considered backports?


All the best

Keith Bainbridge

keith.bainbridge.3...@gmail.com
0447 667 468

On 26/9/21 13:30, Martin McCormick wrote:

So, what is the easiest route to end up with a kernel that has
this patch in it?

The image for the current kernel is
4.19.0-5-686-pae

Re: Proprietary USB Drivers; Ya Gotta' Love'em.

[Martin McCormick]

So, what is the easiest route to end up with a kernel that has
this patch in it?

The image for the current kernel is
4.19.0-5-686-pae

The Raspberry Pi is an arm-based system and the image
version number is probably different but the idea is the same,
have a kernel that doesn't choke when one is using the ICR-30
usbC port.

To put it bluntly, this is an area of Linux I have very
little familiarity with because generally, Linux kernels just
work so this is a left-handed complement in that I think this is
the first kernel bug that I have encountered ever.

I am sure I have run kernels with other bugs that I
didn't know about but this is the first time one has bitten me,
so to speak.

Thanks.


Martin WB5AGZ
Martin McCormick  WB5AGZ

Re: Proprietary USB Drivers; Ya Gotta' Love'em.

[Martin McCormick]

Gene Heskett  writes:
> You forgot to mention it can get the message thru better because it has a
> 12 db advantage over competing noise compared to the original AM,
> sometimes called Ancient Mary in our circles.

I did forget that but you are correct.  another
interesting thing about ssb which includes both sidebands is that
it was first tried during the 1930's as a concept and had to wait
until after World War II before amateur radio operators, the
millitary and commercial folks began using it routinely.  To not
stray too far from the group purpose, the usb dongles that give
you a wide coverage receiver from 26 to almost 1000 MHZ use
basically math to decode sideband, AM, FM and data using DSP
techniques.

Martin

Re: Proprietary USB Drivers; Ya Gotta' Love'em.

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 25 September 2021 14:11:30 Martin McCormick wrote:

> Charles Curley  writes:
> > Possibly a known kernel bug.
> >
> > https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/538695-USB-driver-Zero-Le
> >ngth-Descriptor
> >
> > https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/1507709452-31260-1-git-send-email-msala
> >u...@iotecha.com/
> >
> > --
> > Does anybody read signatures any more?
> >
> > https://charlescurley.com
> > https://charlescurley.com/blog/
>
>   Thank you.  That's got to be it.  I've been doing debian Linux since
> right around 2000 but I must admit that I don't know the easiest
> way to include the patch referenced in the second link.
>
>   I will need to do that on an i86 box plus the Raspberry Pi
> I first discovered the issue on since I am apt to have the radio
> connected to either system and, if this problem is fixable, this
> solution is preferable because the radio defaults to using the
> usbC port as the serial port so it should still work if a full
> reset is ever needed and the mechanism for usb should naturally
> accept as many different devices as practical because you never
> know what you will need to connect until you try it and it fails.
>
>   As an amusing aside, the radio has a usb mode, but
> that's totally unrelated because in that case, USB stands for
> upper side band and is a very energy-efficient method of radio
> communication because it is only a spectrum of frequencies
> consisting of the sidebands of an audio signal without the
> carrier.  It can be LSB or lower side band or USB for upper side
> band.  Nothing like a few new acronyms for your day. I guess that's
> TMI.

You forgot to mention it can get the message thru better because it has a 
12 db advantage over competing noise compared to the original AM, 
sometimes called Ancient Mary in our circles.

> Martin McCormick WB5AGZ


Cheers, Gene Heskett.
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Re: Proprietary USB Drivers; Ya Gotta' Love'em.

[Martin McCormick]

Charles Curley  writes:
> Possibly a known kernel bug.
> 
> https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/538695-USB-driver-Zero-Length-Descriptor
> 
> https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/1507709452-31260-1-git-send-email-msa...@iotecha.com/
> 
> --
> Does anybody read signatures any more?
> 
> https://charlescurley.com
> https://charlescurley.com/blog/

Thank you.  That's got to be it.  I've been doing debian Linux since
right around 2000 but I must admit that I don't know the easiest
way to include the patch referenced in the second link.

I will need to do that on an i86 box plus the Raspberry Pi
I first discovered the issue on since I am apt to have the radio
connected to either system and, if this problem is fixable, this
solution is preferable because the radio defaults to using the
usbC port as the serial port so it should still work if a full
reset is ever needed and the mechanism for usb should naturally
accept as many different devices as practical because you never
know what you will need to connect until you try it and it fails.

As an amusing aside, the radio has a usb mode, but
that's totally unrelated because in that case, USB stands for
upper side band and is a very energy-efficient method of radio
communication because it is only a spectrum of frequencies
consisting of the sidebands of an audio signal without the
carrier.  It can be LSB or lower side band or USB for upper side
band.  Nothing like a few new acronyms for your day. I guess that's TMI.

Martin McCormick WB5AGZ

Re: Proprietary USB Drivers; Ya Gotta' Love'em.

[Charles Curley]

On Sat, 25 Sep 2021 08:16:37 -0500
"Martin McCormick"  wrote:

> This is an embedded usb serial port in a radio receiver which
> works in MS Windows10 and I was hoping to write some control
> routines for a Raspberry Pi running buster and it does the
> following:

Possibly a known kernel bug.

https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/538695-USB-driver-Zero-Length-Descriptor

https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/1507709452-31260-1-git-send-email-msa...@iotecha.com/

-- 
Does anybody read signatures any more?

https://charlescurley.com
https://charlescurley.com/blog/

Proprietary USB Drivers; Ya Gotta' Love'em.

[Martin McCormick]

This is an embedded usb serial port in a radio receiver which
works in MS Windows10 and I was hoping to write some control
routines for a Raspberry Pi running buster and it does the
following:

Sep 22 20:17:15 rpi2 kernel: [551843.541477] usb 1-1.2: new full-speed USB 
device number 6 using dwc_otg
Sep 22 20:17:16 rpi2 kernel: [551843.674681] usb 1-1.2: not running at top 
speed; connect to a high speed hub
Sep 22 20:17:16 rpi2 kernel: [551843.684432] usb 1-1.2: New USB device found, 
idVendor=0c26, idProduct=002b
Sep 22 20:17:16 rpi2 kernel: [551843.68] usb 1-1.2: New USB device strings: 
Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3
Sep 22 20:17:16 rpi2 kernel: [551843.684452] usb 1-1.2: Product: IC-R30
Sep 22 20:17:16 rpi2 kernel: [551843.684460] usb 1-1.2: Manufacturer: Icom Inc.
Sep 22 20:17:16 rpi2 kernel: [551843.684468] usb 1-1.2: SerialNumber: IC-R30 
16002557
Sep 22 20:17:16 rpi2 kernel: [551843.727911] cdc_acm 1-1.2:1.0: Zero length 
descriptor references
Sep 22 20:17:16 rpi2 kernel: [551843.727940] cdc_acm: probe of 1-1.2:1.0 failed 
with error -22
Sep 22 20:17:16 rpi2 kernel: [551843.728056] usbcore: registered new interface 
driver cdc_acm
Sep 22 20:17:16 rpi2 kernel: [551843.728061] cdc_acm: USB Abstract Control 
Model driver for USB modems and ISDN adapters
Sep 22 20:21:11 rpi2 kernel: [552078.765119] usb 1-1.2: USB disconnect, device 
number 6

So much for that.  There is one other possibility.  It is
possible that one can go to one of the menu options and flip a
virtual switch that will take the serial data that should have
been on /dev/ttyACMx and put them on a logic-level serial line
that is accessible through the right stereo channel of a
3-conductor jack.  Whether or not that works is beyond the scope
of this list so my question is whether or not there is a wrapper
program of some kind in Linux that can fool an application like
the serial port module that tried to run here in to thinking that
it is home and among friends when it's really been kidnapped.

The possible use of a logic-level serial line is probably
what I will need to do but that means that if one resets the radio to
factory defaults, one will have to go in to the menus on
the radio's screen and restore the virtual switch setting.

As a computer user who happens to be blind, that's a major pain as
well as in a case where the radio is remotely located and one is
operating it headlessly.

I smiled a bit when reading the syslog admonition to
connect to a high-speed hub.  That would be quite a trick.

Thanks for any constructive suggestions.

Martin McCormick WB5AGZ

Re: Drivers tarjeta de red

[Galvatorix Torixgalva]

Holas,

mecachis no haber podido entrar antes xD
un detalle, yo añadiria al menos un "verbose" al lspci por si puede dar mas
informacion al respecto, de hecho si puede ser yo pondria varios. A veces
un detalle es lo que da la respuesta.

Y efectivamente, fijate en si los drivers son propietarios. Yo encuentro
muy tentador lo de usar wifi en Debian, pero teniendo en cuenta lo que me
he encontrado prefiero seguir con ethernet.

Un saludo

Re: Drivers tarjeta de red

[Vicente]

Varias cosas a realizar.



1. Identificar qué tarjeta de red se está utilizando, con #sudo lspci

2. Si es una tarjeta de red con drivers propietarios, tal vez se disponga
de esos driver en las versión contrib o en non-free, se debería incluir
esos repositorios al source.list, sino lo has hecho.

3. Si la tarjeta no dispone de driver en los repos contrib non-free, y
conociendo el modelo del chip, buscar un driver en internet para compilarlo
a mano. Las instrucciones de compilación y requisitos para compilar
generalmente vienen detalladas en los archivos de instalación del driver.


Saludos cordiales,


Vicente



El vie, 17 sept 2021 a las 0:44, Camaleón () escribió:

> El 2021-09-14 a las 21:43 -0500, miguel cardozo escribió:
>
> > instale linux debian 11 version full pero no funcionan los drivers de
> red,
> > me pueden colaborar por favor que puedo hacer o a quien me debo dirigir,
> > mi nombre es miguel cardozo y soy nuevo con el manejo del SO.
>
> ¿Se trata de la tarjeta de red cableada o inalámbrica?
>
> En caulquier caso, ejecuta la orden «lspci» para idnetificar el chipset
> que lleva el adaptador y comprobar si dispone de soporte en Debian.
>
> Saludos,
>
> --
> Camaleón
>
>

-- 
Atentamente,

Vicente

Re: Drivers tarjeta de red

[Camaleón]

El 2021-09-14 a las 21:43 -0500, miguel cardozo escribió:

> instale linux debian 11 version full pero no funcionan los drivers de red,
> me pueden colaborar por favor que puedo hacer o a quien me debo dirigir,
> mi nombre es miguel cardozo y soy nuevo con el manejo del SO.

¿Se trata de la tarjeta de red cableada o inalámbrica?

En caulquier caso, ejecuta la orden «lspci» para idnetificar el chipset 
que lleva el adaptador y comprobar si dispone de soporte en Debian.

Saludos,

-- 
Camaleón 

RE: Drivers tarjeta de red

[Marcelo Olcese (Gmail)]

Buen día!,

 

Nombre de la NIC?

Hay una distro del Debian 11 que tiene soporte para NIC viejas o todo HARD que 
tiene sus años o con soporte no oficial. (NON-FREE)

https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ 

 

Pero lo más fácil es identificar tu placa y buscar opción para Debian 11.

 

Sldos,

Marcelo.-

 

De: miguel cardozo [mailto:miguelcardoz...@gmail.com] 
Enviado el: martes, 14 de septiembre de 2021 23:44
Para: debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org
Asunto: Drivers tarjeta de red

 

Buen dia,

 

instale linux debian 11 version full pero no funcionan los drivers de red, me 
pueden colaborar por favor que puedo hacer o a quien me debo dirigir,  mi 
nombre es miguel cardozo y soy nuevo con el manejo del SO.

 

Gracias.

Drivers tarjeta de red

[miguel cardozo]

Buen dia,

instale linux debian 11 version full pero no funcionan los drivers de red,
me pueden colaborar por favor que puedo hacer o a quien me debo dirigir,
mi nombre es miguel cardozo y soy nuevo con el manejo del SO.

Gracias.

Re: HP plat fair with drivers?

[Kushal Kumaran]

On Sat, Aug 14 2021 at 07:02:31 PM, Keith Bainbridge  wrote:
> On 11/8/21 00:14, Nicolas George wrote:
>> Based on past experience, I am favoring HP, because AFAIK they mostly
>> play fair about Libre drivers
>
> Good afternoon
>
> I'd like to agree that HP plays fair with drivers.
>
> A friend bought a HP laptop last year. His favoured distro is Mint(bunt)
> which I have found  provided good support for ALL wifi. But he had to
> buy a plug-in USB dongle wifi.
>
> Admittedly, we haven't been able to meet face to face long enough to try
> harder with him.  I suggested he try a new Mint Edge complete with
> kernel 5.11, but he can't find his  toy.   I reckon my wifi is working
> much better than ever with the 5.11 kernel
>
>
> I sat listening to Keith Packard at linux.conf.au 2016, quite impressed
> with his support for OSS in general. Pity about this wifi card in his
> laptop.  And no, I don't know model details. It was pretty cheap.
>

Keith Packard is not the "Packard" from Hewlett-Packard.  The "Packard"
in HP was David Packard, and the company was started well before the
current set of hackers were born.

Keith Packard, despite his accomplishments, probably has no influence
on the wifi cards in HP laptops.

-- 
regards,
kushal

HP plat fair with drivers?

[Keith Bainbridge]

On 11/8/21 00:14, Nicolas George wrote:

Based on past experience, I am favoring HP, because AFAIK they mostly
play fair about Libre drivers


Good afternoon

I'd like to agree that HP plays fair with drivers.

A friend bought a HP laptop last year. His favoured distro is Mint(bunt)
which I have found  provided good support for ALL wifi. But he had to
buy a plug-in USB dongle wifi.

Admittedly, we haven't been able to meet face to face long enough to try
harder with him.  I suggested he try a new Mint Edge complete with
kernel 5.11, but he can't find his  toy.   I reckon my wifi is working
much better than ever with the 5.11 kernel


I sat listening to Keith Packard at linux.conf.au 2016, quite impressed
with his support for OSS in general. Pity about this wifi card in his
laptop.  And no, I don't know model details. It was pretty cheap.

--
All the best

Keith Bainbridge

keith.bainbridge.3...@gmail.com

Basics for fresh install [WAS Re: Can the latest stable Debian be compelled to run in vesa mode, rather than the motherboard graphics card, if the said card doesn't have drivers available? How?]

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 10:00:59AM +0530, Susmita/Rajib wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Apr 2021 00:12:29 -0400, Felix Miata  wrote:
> Ref: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2021/04/msg00530.html
> 
> "...
> Unless and until all traces of NVidia's driver installation and associated
> configuration changes have been purged from your machine, I can be no
> help except
> WRT eradicating them. Even in that regard others know better than me how to
> proceed. AFAICT, whatever NVidia driver installation does eliminates
> any chance to
> make FOSS drivers work acceptably.
> ..."
> 
> Okay, in any case I am to reinstall fresh and latest stable Debian, as
> advised by Dr./Mr. Cater.

Mr. Cater - but Andy / Andrew is more normal for me and I'm fine with 
that :)

If you are doing a complete fresh install and want to use Nouveau - just 
go through the install using the firmware CD/DVD image. The worst that 
can happen is that it really doesn't work, at which point you need to try
a text install as outlined in an answer to your previous message.

If you can install using a wired Ethernet connection to start with, always 
do so, in my opinion, as it makes it easier to know that you have a reliable
connection. If you can't -that's why using the firmware DVD is advised.

> 
> So in nutshell, may please the steps be described? The idea involved?
> 
> It is requested that a copy of email be sent to my Gmailbox please.
> 
> Best.
> Rajib
> 

On Debian lists, we would normally reply to the list first - so other people
get to see the answers - see the FAQ posted once a month here - but as 
you've asked specifically, I'll do that for you.

All the very best, as ever,

Andy Cater

Building Xorg using Linux from Scratch [WAS Re: Can the latest stable Debian be compelled to run in vesa mode, rather than the motherboard graphics card, if the said card doesn't have drivers availabl

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 09:40:54AM +0530, Susmita/Rajib wrote:
> Would the setps as described in the following link be necessary?
> http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/svn/x/xorg-server.html
> 
> ---
> Installation of Xorg Server
> 
> Install the server by running the following commands:
> 
> ./configure $XORG_CONFIG\
> --enable-glamor \
> --enable-suid-wrapper   \
> --with-xkb-output=/var/lib/xkb &&
> make
> 
> To test the results, issue: make check. You will need to run ldconfig
> as the root user first or some tests may fail.
> 
> Now as the root user:
> 
> make install &&
> mkdir -pv /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d &&
> cat >> /etc/sysconfig/createfiles << "EOF"
> /tmp/.ICE-unix dir 1777 root root
> /tmp/.X11-unix dir 1777 root root
> EOF
> 
> Command Explanations
> 
> --enable-glamor: Build the Glamor DIX (Device Independent X) module
> which is currently used by: R600 or later radeon video chipsets, the
> modesetting driver (which is part of this package) for hardware using
> KMS which offers acceleration, and (optionally) the intel driver.
> 
> --enable-suid-wrapper: Builds the suid-root wrapper for legacy driver
> support on rootless xserver systems.
> 
> --disable-systemd-logind: This switch disables elogind integration
> allowing Xorg Server to work without having the PAM module configured.
> 
> --enable-install-setuid: This switch restores the setuid bit to the
> Xorg executable allowing Xorg Server to work with a virtual terminal
> designated on the startx command line.
> 
> cat >> /etc/sysconfig/createfiles...: This command creates the
> /tmp/.ICE-unix and /tmp/.X11-unix directories at startup, and ensures
> that the permissions and ownership are correct as required by the
> server.
> 
> --enable-dmx: Builds the DMX (Distributed Multihead X) server.
> 
> --enable-kdrive: This option allows the configure script to enable
> Xephyr if its dependencies are met.
> -------
> 
> Best,
> Rajib
> 

Hi Rajib,

Under NO ACCOUNT do this. Mixing LFS instructions and Debian is a recipe
for a disaster. As Felix Miata has said elsewhere: either the Nouveau
drivers or, exceptionally, Nvidia drivers built the Debian way should 
work for you.

All the best,

Andy C.

Basics for text mode install [WAS Re: Can the latest stable Debian be compelled to run in vesa mode, rather than the motherboard graphics card, if the said card doesn't have drivers available? How?]

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 08:15:45AM +0530, Susmita/Rajib wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Apr 2021 17:56:46 +, "Andrew M.A. Cater"
>  wrote:
> [QUOTE]
> [...]
> I followed through the screenshots you provided.
> [...]
> You can't ignore the source - you may have to apply it to a kernel.
> [/QUOTE]
> 
> 
> Okay, learnt. Thank you.
> 
Note: You _only_ need this if you are using the proprietary Nvidia driver.

> 
> [QUOTE]
> [...]
> You have dependency errors. That's a bad sign.
> 
> [...]
> WHY, oh, why are you trying to use Bullseye and kernel 5.10 at this stage?
> [/QUOTE]
> 
> I used the example of knoppix. Regarding Bullseye and kernel 5.10,
> that was knoppix.
> 
> 
OK. Understood. If Knoppix is working, then Debian should too.

> 
> [QUOTE]
> [...]
> First things first: you have a laptop which is 64 bit capable, I think.
> You also have a laptop which is capable of using UEFI. Use them.
> Use those options.
> [...]
> [/QUOTE]
> 
> 64bit yes. For the problematic laptop, UEFI, no.

I was reading this from the screenshots you posted: that laptop is set to
Legacy [BIOS mode] which suggests that it might also be able to use UEFI.
> 
> 
> [QUOTE]
> Download a CD/DVD including firmware if that's what it takes -
> First link is CD which may be enough, second is DVD
> 
> https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-10.9.0-amd64-netinst.iso
> https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-dvd/firmware-10.9.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso
> [...]
> [/QUOTE]
> 
> > Presently, I used the Debian grub to run knoppix, either as iso by
> > loopback loop, or with iso extracted and am presently using knoppix
> > for the HCL Me laptop.

I'm assuming that the HCL Me laptop is the one you want to install on - and
was the one the screenshots relate to. To make it easier, I'm assuming that
you are prepared to wipe the disk, do a clean install and don't need to 
retain previous data.

> >
> > Please tell me if there is a possibility of using Debian to use vesa
> > (or fbdev) from grub, although fbdev is deprecated, vesa runs fine.
> > But a little stressful for the motherboard and CPU. Heat up.
> >
> > Best,
> > Rajib
> 
> 
> [QUOTE]
> Try the above with current Debian 10 and a text mode expert install _first_
> Do NOT install a graphical environment until you can get the laptop working
> in text mode. At that point, you may have to deal with installing nouveau
> or, possibly, the Nvidia proprietary drivers.
> 

To make sure that you _only_ have a text mode environment.

When the install gets to the task selection stage - uncheck / de-select 
Debian desktop environment. Make sure that all other desktop environments
are not selected. Install only the standard utilities.

if you are using WiFi - before you finish the install drop to a shell
and apt-get install network-manager. This will allow you to use nmcli to
set up and access WiFi thereafter.

Once the install is complete, reboot. You should, at that stage, just have
text mode. At that point, you can do one of two things:

For the free drivers: 

Run tasksel and select a desktop environment. I might suggest Mate as being
slightly less resource hungry than GNOME - your choice.

For Nvidia

Do NOT tasksel and install any desktop until you've got the essentials you
need and have built/installed the appropriate Nvidia binaries.

> You will almost certainly need the build-essential tools to build Nvidia
> code if you use the proprietary drivers.
> 
> Please try taking this single step by single step and explaining what
> errors you are getting as you go. For large amounts of logs, you might
> need to use pastebin.
> 
> Hope this helps, all the best,
> 
> Andy C.
> [/QUOTE]
> 
> Thank you, Dr. Cater.
> 
> Until recently, Debian 10.8 was the most recent one. So I had used that one.
> 
> One question: After I have installed in the text mode, what codes do I
> use for apt-get, or to be precise, like synaptic search in GUI, how do
> I search for the specific nvidia drivers for "GeForce 8200M G
> [MCP79]"?What would be equivalent apt-get lines?
> 
> Best.
> Rajib
>