Re: installing knoppix or debian on hard list

2017-03-11 Thread Joe 
On Sat, 11 Mar 2017 18:38:52 +
Lisi Reisz  wrote:

> On Saturday 04 February 2017 13:16:23 Richard Owlett wrote:
> > I have never had any contact with Knoppix so do not know if a
> > similar procedure could be followed.   
> 
> Knoppix is intended primarily as a Live CD, and last time I tried was
> quite tricky to install.
> 

It's been years since I tried that. As I recall, the installation was
easy enough, but as we are warned, Knoppix is not maintainable, so is
not very suitable for long-term use.

It's designed to be used exactly as issued, with the user moving on to
the next version when released. The design effort goes into the hardware
compatibility, with no attention paid either to continuously upgrading a
hard drive installation, or an in-place upgrade to the next version.

-- 
Joe

Re: installing knoppix or debian on hard list

2017-03-11 Thread Lisi Reisz 
On Saturday 04 February 2017 13:16:23 Richard Owlett wrote:
> I have never had any contact with Knoppix so do not know if a
> similar procedure could be followed. 

Knoppix is intended primarily as a Live CD, and last time I tried was quite 
tricky to install.

Lisi

Re: installing knoppix or debian on hard list

2017-02-04 Thread Richard Owlett 

On 02/03/2017 02:53 PM, John Culleton wrote:

I have my existing OS on /sda3. I want to leave it untouched. > I also have an 
OS on /sda4 that I am willing to overwrite.
The easiest path for me is to fire up Knoppix 7.6 and write
it to hard disk. But I need assurance that I won't disturb
/sda3 in any way.



I think you have omitted relevant information.
What is on /sda1 and /sda2?
What OS is on on /sda3? on /sda4?
What is your bootloader?

Technically correct answers can be given without this 
information. However, suitability to *YOUR* goals/preferences ???


My current used laptop resembles your setup. /sda1 and /sda2 are 
the Windows installation installed by the seller. They are being 
left untouched until the end of my warranty. /sda3 is an extended 
partition and /sda6 is swap.


/sda5 has Debian Jessie with Mate desktop. This is my primary OS 
which I take pains not to mess-up - {comparable to your /sda3}.

/sda7 has Jessie with Xfce that someone had suggested I try.
/sda8,/sda9,/sda10 are several identical installs of Jessie being 
used to chase down a possible bug.

The above occupies only ~1/2 of available space.

To avoid disturbing in *ANY* way the Windows install or my 
primary Debian install I do the following:

1. make the additional installs of Debian using "expert mode"
   to give me maximum control.
2. at the partitioning menu I chose manual to:
   a. chose destination partition of current install.
   b. flag the current swap partition as "Do Not Use"
  [The Jessie installer automatically reformats
   any existing swap partition, changing its UUID
   which can cause problems with other installs]. It suits
   me to not use any swap for my secondary installs. The
   installer will warn, but accept]
3. chose to install neither GRUB not LILO. That allows me to
   keep my existing GRUB menu. On reboot I run update-grub
   from my primary Debian install to add the latest install at
   the bottom of the menu.

I have never had any contact with Knoppix so do not know if a 
similar procedure could be followed. In any case remember to do a 
backup first.


HTH

Re: installing knoppix or debian on hard list

2017-02-03 Thread Kent West 
On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 2:53 PM, John Culleton  wrote:

> I have my existing OS on /sda3. I want to leave it untouched. I also
> have an OS on /sda4 that I am willing to overwrite. The easiest path
> for me is to fire up Knoppix 7.6 and write it to hard disk. But I need
> assurance that I won't disturb /sda3 in any way.
>
> --
> John Culleton
> Wexfordpress
> Book design and indexing.
>
>
>

It's entirely dependent on you whether /dev/sda3 will be disturbed or not.

I haven't fired up Knoppix in quite a long time, and don't know what it's
installer looks like, but I suspect you'll get a chance to choose what
partitions to use, and at that point, it's all on you.

You might find it easier/safer to put a second hard drive in the computer,
remove /sda (so it can't be touched), then install to the second drive. Of
course, that depends on you having a second drive available.

Tinkering with partitions is always risky; a good backup is your friend.


-- 
Kent West<")))><
Westing Peacefully - http://kentwest.blogspot.com

installing knoppix or debian on hard list

2017-02-03 Thread John Culleton 
I have my existing OS on /sda3. I want to leave it untouched. I also
have an OS on /sda4 that I am willing to overwrite. The easiest path
for me is to fire up Knoppix 7.6 and write it to hard disk. But I need
assurance that I won't disturb /sda3 in any way. 

-- 
John Culleton
Wexfordpress
Book design and indexing.