Re: tbird troubles
On 2024-04-18, wrote: > > > Actually I'm thankful for having got the chance to learn a couple of > languages. It has been a lot of fun. And also to you folks who put up > with my mediocre English. > I'm thankful to have learned enough French to have read the Proust book (la Recherche...). It's remarkable and beautiful and intelligent in too many ways to describe here (and funny, too). It kind of *is* literature. You need look no further. I've heard that Freud was a really good writer in German. But I fear I lack the time and energy for that task. :-)
Re: tbird troubles
On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 05:00:05PM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > On 4/17/24 14:52, The Wanderer wrote: [...] > > You're welcome. > > > > Please extend your thanks to Tomas, who is the one who tracked down the > > links that led to the bug report where I found the analysis and this > > advice, and also to Curt, who was giving the same recommendation in > > different terms before I got to it [...] Heh. Actually, this was a beautiful example of collaborative pondering. It was eben's hint to start the thing from the command line and you reporting the results (still two windows) what set me off to go with the right terms to the search engine. [...] > Also, many thanks to those whose mother tongue is not English, for learning > English [...] Actually I'm thankful for having got the chance to learn a couple of languages. It has been a lot of fun. And also to you folks who put up with my mediocre English. Cheers -- t signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: tbird troubles
On 4/17/24 14:52, The Wanderer wrote: On 2024-04-16 at 16:56, gene heskett wrote: On 4/16/24 10:46, The Wanderer wrote: On 2024-04-16 at 10:28, Greg Wooledge wrote: In his original message, he claimed that closing one window makes the other one also close. I asked *how* he was closing them, and he said that he gets the same result whether he uses the WM's close button, or the application's Exit menu choice. From what I saw in a Bugzilla bug report (which I think was linked to in this thread?) about a similar behavior (dating back a good number of years, and closed as - more or less - "not meaningfully fixable" or the like), neither of those is what is needed. What needs to happen, according to that analysis, is to close one of the windows not by File -> Exit or File -> Quit, but by File -> Close. (In my - severely obsolete - Thunderbird version, it's near the top of the File menu, and has the associated keyboard shortcut Ctrl+W.) Reportedly, after doing that, if you then quit the program entirely (by any of the other available methods), when you re-launch it it will come up with only one window. Thank you, that fixed it! You're welcome. Please extend your thanks to Tomas, who is the one who tracked down the links that led to the bug report where I found the analysis and this advice, and also to Curt, who was giving the same recommendation in different terms before I got to it. Terms I may not have adequately understood, like Winston Churchill is reported to have once said about England and America, "two great countries separated by a common language." or words to that effect. So my thanks to all who contributed, in what they thought was my mother tongue. Also, many thanks to those whose mother tongue is not English, for learning English. My schooling did not last long enough to have a chance to learn yours. My schooling ceased shortly after the 8h grade as I went to work fixing the then new-fangled things called tv's for a living in 1947. Mother gave me one very valuable thing, a near genius IQ. My employment history is widely varied. The tv cameras that were on the Trieste when it went down in the mohole in 1960, had my fingerprints in them. Now retired for 22 years from an 18 years stint in CE office at a tv station, I'm still working in the bleeding edge of 3d printing despite hoping to have 2 of my own design working by my 90th. Many many thanks to those who have helped. Take care and stay well all. All I did was read the discussion at the link Tomas provided, and find a different way to express it. Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis
Re: tbird troubles
On 2024-04-16 at 16:56, gene heskett wrote: > On 4/16/24 10:46, The Wanderer wrote: > >> On 2024-04-16 at 10:28, Greg Wooledge wrote: >>> In his original message, he claimed that closing one window >>> makes the other one also close. >>> >>> I asked *how* he was closing them, and he said that he gets the >>> same result whether he uses the WM's close button, or the >>> application's Exit menu choice. >> >> From what I saw in a Bugzilla bug report (which I think was linked >> to in this thread?) about a similar behavior (dating back a good >> number of years, and closed as - more or less - "not meaningfully >> fixable" or the like), neither of those is what is needed. >> >> What needs to happen, according to that analysis, is to close one >> of the windows not by File -> Exit or File -> Quit, but by File -> >> Close. (In my - severely obsolete - Thunderbird version, it's near >> the top of the File menu, and has the associated keyboard shortcut >> Ctrl+W.) >> >> Reportedly, after doing that, if you then quit the program entirely >> (by any of the other available methods), when you re-launch it it >> will come up with only one window. > > Thank you, that fixed it! You're welcome. Please extend your thanks to Tomas, who is the one who tracked down the links that led to the bug report where I found the analysis and this advice, and also to Curt, who was giving the same recommendation in different terms before I got to it. All I did was read the discussion at the link Tomas provided, and find a different way to express it. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: tbird troubles
On 2024-04-16, gene heskett wrote: > On 4/16/24 10:22, Curt wrote: >> On 2024-04-15, gene heskett wrote: >>> For the last 2 or 3 reboots, when launching t-bird, I get 2 copies of >>> the gui stacked on top of each other. I can move them separately to 2 >>> separate workspaces, and both appear to work for some definition of >>> working, but quitting one actually quits both. >>> >> >> Have you tried *closing* one of the two windows, *quitting* the >> remaining one, and then restarting your bird? >> >> . > From scratch, including a text entry in a shell. What I meant is what the Wanderer elaborated with further detail and clarity, working from the same bug report. "Closing" the window of one of the supernumerary windows, and "quitting" (exiting the mofo in the canonical manner) of the application with the remaining one.
Re: tbird troubles
On 16/04/2024 23:11, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: Makes sense, TB seems to remember its window configuration [1] [...] [1] Can't they just let the window manager do its job? I am in doubts if saving list of windows and list of folders and messages opened in all tabs of each window could and should be delegated to the window manager.
Re: tbird troubles
On 4/16/24 10:46, The Wanderer wrote: On 2024-04-16 at 10:28, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Tue, Apr 16, 2024 at 02:21:27PM -, Curt wrote: Have you tried *closing* one of the two windows, *quitting* the remaining one, and then restarting your bird? In his original message, he claimed that closing one window makes the other one also close. I asked *how* he was closing them, and he said that he gets the same result whether he uses the WM's close button, or the application's Exit menu choice. From what I saw in a Bugzilla bug report (which I think was linked to in this thread?) about a similar behavior (dating back a good number of years, and closed as - more or less - "not meaningfully fixable" or the like), neither of those is what is needed. What needs to happen, according to that analysis, is to close one of the windows not by File -> Exit or File -> Quit, but by File -> Close. (In my - severely obsolete - Thunderbird version, it's near the top of the File menu, and has the associated keyboard shortcut Ctrl+W.) Reportedly, after doing that, if you then quit the program entirely (by any of the other available methods), when you re-launch it it will come up with only one window. Thank you, that fixed it! The situation appears to be triggered by doing one of the UI actions that causes Thunderbird to open a new "main" window - which can happen by accident, e.g. by trying to detach a tab from the main Thunderbird window (which apparently doesn't open a new window with just that tab, but rather opens an entire new main Thunderbird window with the contents of that tab active). That in turn can (I would expect) be done accidentally by trying to drag a tab to a new position in the tab bar, but unintentionally dropping it at a place which is instead treated as outside of the window. Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis
Re: tbird troubles
On 4/16/24 10:22, Curt wrote: On 2024-04-15, gene heskett wrote: For the last 2 or 3 reboots, when launching t-bird, I get 2 copies of the gui stacked on top of each other. I can move them separately to 2 separate workspaces, and both appear to work for some definition of working, but quitting one actually quits both. Have you tried *closing* one of the two windows, *quitting* the remaining one, and then restarting your bird? . From scratch, including a text entry in a shell. Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis
Re: tbird troubles
On Tue, Apr 16, 2024 at 10:39:42AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > On 2024-04-16 at 10:28, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > On Tue, Apr 16, 2024 at 02:21:27PM -, Curt wrote: > > > >> Have you tried *closing* one of the two windows, *quitting* the > >> remaining one, and then restarting your bird? > > > > In his original message, he claimed that closing one window makes > > the other one also close. > > > > I asked *how* he was closing them, and he said that he gets the same > > result whether he uses the WM's close button, or the application's > > Exit menu choice. > > From what I saw in a Bugzilla bug report [...] Thanks for actually reading the links for us -- I was too deep in some ugly PHP code to do it myself ATM. Makes sense, TB seems to remember its window configuration [1] when closing, like its cousin but seems to remember "I had *two* windows last time around", quite unlike its cousin. Cheers [1] Can't they just let the window manager do its job? -- t signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: tbird troubles
On 2024-04-16, The Wanderer wrote: > > What needs to happen, according to that analysis, is to close one of the > windows not by File -> Exit or File -> Quit, but by File -> Close. (In > my - severely obsolete - Thunderbird version, it's near the top of the > File menu, and has the associated keyboard shortcut Ctrl+W.) > Yes, that's the "solution" I attempted to describe.
Re: tbird troubles
On 2024-04-16, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Tue, Apr 16, 2024 at 02:21:27PM -, Curt wrote: >> Have you tried *closing* one of the two windows, *quitting* the >> remaining one, and then restarting your bird? > > In his original message, he claimed that closing one window makes the > other one also close. > > I asked *how* he was closing them, and he said that he gets the same > result whether he uses the WM's close button, or the application's Exit > menu choice. > > I see. An Internet enquiry into the multiple-window problem produces many hits, some of them over a decade old. The most recent I've found (Dec 2023), advises simply creating another profile and copying the old one over to the new one. https://forum.manjaro.org/t/thunderbird-two-windows-workaround/154069
Re: tbird troubles
On 2024-04-16 at 10:28, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Tue, Apr 16, 2024 at 02:21:27PM -, Curt wrote: > >> Have you tried *closing* one of the two windows, *quitting* the >> remaining one, and then restarting your bird? > > In his original message, he claimed that closing one window makes > the other one also close. > > I asked *how* he was closing them, and he said that he gets the same > result whether he uses the WM's close button, or the application's > Exit menu choice. From what I saw in a Bugzilla bug report (which I think was linked to in this thread?) about a similar behavior (dating back a good number of years, and closed as - more or less - "not meaningfully fixable" or the like), neither of those is what is needed. What needs to happen, according to that analysis, is to close one of the windows not by File -> Exit or File -> Quit, but by File -> Close. (In my - severely obsolete - Thunderbird version, it's near the top of the File menu, and has the associated keyboard shortcut Ctrl+W.) Reportedly, after doing that, if you then quit the program entirely (by any of the other available methods), when you re-launch it it will come up with only one window. The situation appears to be triggered by doing one of the UI actions that causes Thunderbird to open a new "main" window - which can happen by accident, e.g. by trying to detach a tab from the main Thunderbird window (which apparently doesn't open a new window with just that tab, but rather opens an entire new main Thunderbird window with the contents of that tab active). That in turn can (I would expect) be done accidentally by trying to drag a tab to a new position in the tab bar, but unintentionally dropping it at a place which is instead treated as outside of the window. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: tbird troubles
On Tue, Apr 16, 2024 at 02:21:27PM -, Curt wrote: > Have you tried *closing* one of the two windows, *quitting* the > remaining one, and then restarting your bird? In his original message, he claimed that closing one window makes the other one also close. I asked *how* he was closing them, and he said that he gets the same result whether he uses the WM's close button, or the application's Exit menu choice.
Re: tbird troubles
On 2024-04-15, gene heskett wrote: > For the last 2 or 3 reboots, when launching t-bird, I get 2 copies of > the gui stacked on top of each other. I can move them separately to 2 > separate workspaces, and both appear to work for some definition of > working, but quitting one actually quits both. > Have you tried *closing* one of the two windows, *quitting* the remaining one, and then restarting your bird?
kde troubles (was: tbird troubles)
On 2024-04-15, gene heskett wrote: > 32 gigs of memory. But the constraint is a 30-45 second delay in opening a new > write path to nv storage. This totally disables digikam's ability to import digikam is a kde application, so you need the kde stuff at least for it. I use it too, have less memory, and still have no delay problems.
Re: tbird troubles
On 4/15/24 15:26, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 03:10:20PM -0400, gene heskett wrote: [...] Try running "thunderbird" from a terminal emulator and see what happens. Stopped it. opened an xfce4 terminal and typed "thunderbird"enter, same old same old, two gui's stacked on top of each other. This, at least, rules out the mouse. OK, asking my favourite search thingy (spoiler: it's not that one with the big G) for 'thunderbird "two windows"' yields a couple of promising hits (no time to peruse them right now, sorry): https://forum.manjaro.org/t/thunderbird-two-windows-workaround/154069 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=531588 http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=39=1962329 https://blog.ueffing.net/post/2018/03/24/thunderbird-starts-with-two-window-instances/ That for a change actually makes me feel better. I seem to be the only one with much of this. I /think/ this started with the last tbird update, but I don't have a bible to swear on. At least, you don't seem to be the only one having the fun :) HTH Thanks Tomas. Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis
Re: tbird troubles
On 4/15/24 14:24, David Wright wrote: On Tue 16 Apr 2024 at 01:20:03 (+0800), Bret Busby wrote: On 16/4/24 00:49, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 10:59:25AM -0400, e...@gmx.us wrote: On 4/15/24 10:01, gene heskett wrote: On 4/15/24 09:09, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 08:28:24AM -0400, gene heskett wrote: For the last 2 or 3 reboots, when launching t-bird, I get 2 copies of the gui stacked on top of each other. I can move them separately to 2 separate workspaces, and both appear to work for some definition of working, but quitting one actually quits both. How do you launch it? Are you clicking something? Are you DOUBLE-clicking something? A single click on the name from the internet section of the xfce menu. I'm wondering whether Gene's mouse might be physically failing, and sending multiple click events when he presses the button once. This is one of the possible failure modes for mouse buttons. Try running "thunderbird" from a terminal emulator and see what happens. Yes, that's a reasonable thing to try. To see whether the mouse button might be misbehaving, Gene could try running xev, and slowly clicking the (left) mouse button inside the xev window. There should be exactly one press event, and one release event, each time the button is clicked, regardless of how long it's I think that, from memory, a utility for adjusting the mouse click speed, also is available, for adjusting the mouse click speed. I don't think double-click speed can be used to debounce the mouse button, because it lengthens the time interval that two clicks are interpreted as a double-click. It can't turn two quick clicks into a single click. I have a mouse that can turn one long press into two clicks: what's happening is that the wire loses continuity for a moment. I can see the xconsole logging a "New" USB device being connected, as it occurs. When it's bad, moving the mouse produces a stream of such logs. But I would recommend Gene start tbird from a command line, to distinguish a tbird configuration fault from a menu action fault. Cheers, David. I get exactly the same thing from a keyboard launch, David. Thanks. . Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis
Re: tbird troubles
On 4/15/24 14:01, Matthew Lemon wrote: aptitude purge '?and(~i ?tag(suite::kde))' I thought it was installed, but apparently is not. Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis
Re: tbird troubles
On 4/15/24 12:49, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 10:59:25AM -0400, e...@gmx.us wrote: On 4/15/24 10:01, gene heskett wrote: On 4/15/24 09:09, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 08:28:24AM -0400, gene heskett wrote: For the last 2 or 3 reboots, when launching t-bird, I get 2 copies of the gui stacked on top of each other. I can move them separately to 2 separate workspaces, and both appear to work for some definition of working, but quitting one actually quits both. How do you launch it? Are you clicking something? Are you DOUBLE-clicking something? A single click on the name from the internet section of the xfce menu. I'm wondering whether Gene's mouse might be physically failing, and sending multiple click events when he presses the button once. This is one of the possible failure modes for mouse buttons. Try running "thunderbird" from a terminal emulator and see what happens. Yes, that's a reasonable thing to try. To see whether the mouse button might be misbehaving, Gene could try running xev, and slowly clicking the (left) mouse button inside the xev window. There should be exactly one press event, and one release event, each time the button is clicked, regardless of how long it's held down. . nothing registers on the xev screen but the bacckground terminal goes bat shit nuts. I've had keyboard problems, could I be using two usb buttons that are rxing both keyboard and mouse? Except this keyboard is a wired usb keyboard, I just unplugged the mouse button and it dissappeared, and two buttons were plugged in so I'v now removed the one that did not rx the mouse. But that will not effect my dual tbird session started from the keyboard which is wired. Thanks Greg. Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis
Re: tbird troubles
On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 03:10:20PM -0400, gene heskett wrote: [...] > > Try running "thunderbird" from a terminal emulator and see what happens. > > > Stopped it. opened an xfce4 terminal and typed "thunderbird"enter, same old > same old, two gui's stacked on top of each other. This, at least, rules out the mouse. OK, asking my favourite search thingy (spoiler: it's not that one with the big G) for 'thunderbird "two windows"' yields a couple of promising hits (no time to peruse them right now, sorry): https://forum.manjaro.org/t/thunderbird-two-windows-workaround/154069 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=531588 http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=39=1962329 https://blog.ueffing.net/post/2018/03/24/thunderbird-starts-with-two-window-instances/ At least, you don't seem to be the only one having the fun :) HTH -- tomás signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: tbird troubles
On Monday 15 April 2024 10:13:06 am Charles Curley wrote: > On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 08:28:24 -0400 > gene heskett wrote: > > > I am supposedly running xfc4 as a desktop, but htop says I have a > > heck of a lot of kde5 running. How do I get rid of the kde stuff? > > Dependencies seem to be protecting it from being removed. > > You probably are running one or more programs that use KDE rather than > gnome libraries. They cohabit nicely. I use XFCE and routinely run > several KDE programs. Don't worry about it unless you are constrained > by memory or other resources. For whatever it's worth, I too am running xfce as a desktop environment, and do have some KDE stuff installed so therefore am seeing some of those files in place as well. It's not been a problem for me so far... -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: tbird troubles
On 4/15/24 11:00, e...@gmx.us wrote: On 4/15/24 10:01, gene heskett wrote: On 4/15/24 09:09, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 08:28:24AM -0400, gene heskett wrote: For the last 2 or 3 reboots, when launching t-bird, I get 2 copies of the gui stacked on top of each other. I can move them separately to 2 separate workspaces, and both appear to work for some definition of working, but quitting one actually quits both. How do you launch it? Are you clicking something? Are you DOUBLE-clicking something? A single click on the name from the internet section of the xfce menu. Try running "thunderbird" from a terminal emulator and see what happens. Stopped it. opened an xfce4 terminal and typed "thunderbird"enter, same old same old, two gui's stacked on top of each other. -- My signature has gone AWOL again. So has the /n,-,-," "/n sig separater. Thanks Eben . Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis
Re: tbird troubles
On 4/15/24 10:13, Charles Curley wrote: On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 08:28:24 -0400 gene heskett wrote: I am supposedly running xfc4 as a desktop, but htop says I have a heck of a lot of kde5 running. How do I get rid of the kde stuff? Dependencies seem to be protecting it from being removed. You probably are running one or more programs that use KDE rather than gnome libraries. They cohabit nicely. I use XFCE and routinely run several KDE programs. Don't worry about it unless you are constrained by memory or other resources. 32 gigs of memory. But the constraint is a 30-45 second delay in opening a new write path to nv storage. This totally disables digikam's ability to import from my camera as it won't wait. Shotwell works, but with several of these delays, gimp suffers as I wade thru the system looking for an image I want to smunch down to mailable size. Same story for a firefox download. I'm waiting on trixie to see if it installs and fixes that. The whole machine is effectively frozen while whatever is timing out. This install is about the 25th install of bookworm and has been a PITA ootb because the installer, on finding a usb-serial adapter, automatically installs orca and ttysomething to drive a teletype. thinking the user is blind. Have you ever tried to use a computer that's screaming every keystroke you enter at you? Makes the computer worthless to me. This install works because someone took pity on me way back then and told me to unplug all the usb stuff. Yes I have serial adapters, I have and have had for 40 years, a housefull of X10 stuff, but that does not mean I'm blind. The installer should ask if I wanted it, it did not. Thanks Charles. Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis
Re: tbird troubles
On Tue 16 Apr 2024 at 01:20:03 (+0800), Bret Busby wrote: > On 16/4/24 00:49, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 10:59:25AM -0400, e...@gmx.us wrote: > > > On 4/15/24 10:01, gene heskett wrote: > > > > On 4/15/24 09:09, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > > > On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 08:28:24AM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > > > > > > For the last 2 or 3 reboots, when launching t-bird, I get 2 copies > > > > > > of the > > > > > > gui stacked on top of each other. I can move them separately to 2 > > > > > > separate > > > > > > workspaces, and both appear to work for some definition of working, > > > > > > but > > > > > > quitting one actually quits both. > > > > > > > > > > How do you launch it? Are you clicking something? Are you > > > > > DOUBLE-clicking > > > > > something? > > > > > > > > > A single click on the name from the internet section of the xfce menu. > > > > I'm wondering whether Gene's mouse might be physically failing, and > > sending multiple click events when he presses the button once. This > > is one of the possible failure modes for mouse buttons. > > > > > Try running "thunderbird" from a terminal emulator and see what happens. > > > > Yes, that's a reasonable thing to try. > > > > To see whether the mouse button might be misbehaving, Gene could try > > running xev, and slowly clicking the (left) mouse button inside the > > xev window. There should be exactly one press event, and one release > > event, each time the button is clicked, regardless of how long it's > I think that, from memory, a utility for adjusting the mouse click > speed, also is available, for adjusting the mouse click speed. I don't think double-click speed can be used to debounce the mouse button, because it lengthens the time interval that two clicks are interpreted as a double-click. It can't turn two quick clicks into a single click. I have a mouse that can turn one long press into two clicks: what's happening is that the wire loses continuity for a moment. I can see the xconsole logging a "New" USB device being connected, as it occurs. When it's bad, moving the mouse produces a stream of such logs. But I would recommend Gene start tbird from a command line, to distinguish a tbird configuration fault from a menu action fault. Cheers, David.
Re: tbird troubles
On 15-04-2024, gene heskett wrote: For the last 2 or 3 reboots, when launching t-bird, I get 2 copies of the gui stacked on top of each other. I can move them separately to 2 separate workspaces, and both appear to work for some definition of working, but quitting one actually quits both. If I click anyplace outside this composer window, it put this composer window behind both gui's and to re-find the composer window, I have to move both gui's off it to find the composer window again. Frustrating and inconvenient as can be. I am supposedly running xfc4 as a desktop, but htop says I have a heck of a lot of kde5 running. How do I get rid of the kde stuff? I recently wanted to get rid of a load of KDE cruft after I installed xfce and elected to install sddm desktop manager with it (which is xorg and a wayland session compatible), which by default seems to come with a lot of KDE stuff in Debian. `aptitude purge '?and(~i ?tag(suite::kde))'` Be sure to check the output from aptitude you before it does anything, it will ask you to confirm package changes. YMMV but it worked nicely for me. Dependencies seem to be protecting it from being removed. Anybody have a clue whats going on? Thanks for any advice that works. Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis -- --- MR Lemon signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: tbird troubles
On 16/4/24 00:49, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 10:59:25AM -0400, e...@gmx.us wrote: On 4/15/24 10:01, gene heskett wrote: On 4/15/24 09:09, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 08:28:24AM -0400, gene heskett wrote: For the last 2 or 3 reboots, when launching t-bird, I get 2 copies of the gui stacked on top of each other. I can move them separately to 2 separate workspaces, and both appear to work for some definition of working, but quitting one actually quits both. How do you launch it? Are you clicking something? Are you DOUBLE-clicking something? A single click on the name from the internet section of the xfce menu. I'm wondering whether Gene's mouse might be physically failing, and sending multiple click events when he presses the button once. This is one of the possible failure modes for mouse buttons. Try running "thunderbird" from a terminal emulator and see what happens. Yes, that's a reasonable thing to try. To see whether the mouse button might be misbehaving, Gene could try running xev, and slowly clicking the (left) mouse button inside the xev window. There should be exactly one press event, and one release event, each time the button is clicked, regardless of how long it's I think that, from memory, a utility for adjusting the mouse click speed, also is available, for adjusting the mouse click speed. Bret Busby Armadale Western Australia (UTC+0800) .
Re: tbird troubles
On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 10:59:25AM -0400, e...@gmx.us wrote: > On 4/15/24 10:01, gene heskett wrote: > > On 4/15/24 09:09, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 08:28:24AM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > > > > For the last 2 or 3 reboots, when launching t-bird, I get 2 copies of > > > > the > > > > gui stacked on top of each other. I can move them separately to 2 > > > > separate > > > > workspaces, and both appear to work for some definition of working, but > > > > quitting one actually quits both. > > > > > > How do you launch it? Are you clicking something? Are you > > > DOUBLE-clicking > > > something? > > > > > A single click on the name from the internet section of the xfce menu. I'm wondering whether Gene's mouse might be physically failing, and sending multiple click events when he presses the button once. This is one of the possible failure modes for mouse buttons. > Try running "thunderbird" from a terminal emulator and see what happens. Yes, that's a reasonable thing to try. To see whether the mouse button might be misbehaving, Gene could try running xev, and slowly clicking the (left) mouse button inside the xev window. There should be exactly one press event, and one release event, each time the button is clicked, regardless of how long it's held down.
Re: tbird troubles
On 4/15/24 10:01, gene heskett wrote: On 4/15/24 09:09, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 08:28:24AM -0400, gene heskett wrote: For the last 2 or 3 reboots, when launching t-bird, I get 2 copies of the gui stacked on top of each other. I can move them separately to 2 separate workspaces, and both appear to work for some definition of working, but quitting one actually quits both. How do you launch it? Are you clicking something? Are you DOUBLE-clicking something? A single click on the name from the internet section of the xfce menu. Try running "thunderbird" from a terminal emulator and see what happens. -- My signature has gone AWOL again.
Re: tbird troubles
On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 08:28:24 -0400 gene heskett wrote: > I am supposedly running xfc4 as a desktop, but htop says I have a > heck of a lot of kde5 running. How do I get rid of the kde stuff? > Dependencies seem to be protecting it from being removed. You probably are running one or more programs that use KDE rather than gnome libraries. They cohabit nicely. I use XFCE and routinely run several KDE programs. Don't worry about it unless you are constrained by memory or other resources. -- Does anybody read signatures any more? https://charlescurley.com https://charlescurley.com/blog/
Re: tbird troubles
On 4/15/24 09:09, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 08:28:24AM -0400, gene heskett wrote: For the last 2 or 3 reboots, when launching t-bird, I get 2 copies of the gui stacked on top of each other. I can move them separately to 2 separate workspaces, and both appear to work for some definition of working, but quitting one actually quits both. How do you launch it? Are you clicking something? Are you DOUBLE-clicking something? A single click on the name from the internet section of the xfce menu. How do you quit one of them? Do you click an X or similar widget in the window manager decorations, or do you use something like "File -> Exit" from a menu? Doesn't make any diff, I can click on the upper right quit button or from the tbird pull down menu. Either method quits both copies. Thanks Greg. . Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis
Re: tbird troubles
On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 08:28:24AM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > For the last 2 or 3 reboots, when launching t-bird, I get 2 copies of the > gui stacked on top of each other. I can move them separately to 2 separate > workspaces, and both appear to work for some definition of working, but > quitting one actually quits both. How do you launch it? Are you clicking something? Are you DOUBLE-clicking something? How do you quit one of them? Do you click an X or similar widget in the window manager decorations, or do you use something like "File -> Exit" from a menu?
tbird troubles
For the last 2 or 3 reboots, when launching t-bird, I get 2 copies of the gui stacked on top of each other. I can move them separately to 2 separate workspaces, and both appear to work for some definition of working, but quitting one actually quits both. If I click anyplace outside this composer window, it put this composer window behind both gui's and to re-find the composer window, I have to move both gui's off it to find the composer window again. Frustrating and inconvenient as can be. I am supposedly running xfc4 as a desktop, but htop says I have a heck of a lot of kde5 running. How do I get rid of the kde stuff? Dependencies seem to be protecting it from being removed. Anybody have a clue whats going on? Thanks for any advice that works. Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis
