Re: Purge Empathy messes up apt

[Rick Thomas]

On Jul 25, 2012, at 5:53 PM, Bob Proulx wrote:


Mark Allums wrote:

Bob Proulx wrote:

Mark Allums wrote:

No, it's dependency hell.


No.  Dependency Hell[1] would require a rigidity of dependencies  
that
are difficult to resolve.  These resolve fine.  And as is they are  
not

causing any problems.  It is just suggesting that if you don't want
gnome installed then it would, if you told it to do so, remove the
"lint" associated with it.


Well, okay.  But being require to manually mark 100+ packages in
order to remove one seems needlessly tedious.  Debian is a harsh
mistress.


What would you suggest as an alternative and how would it be
implemented?



Mark Allums wrote:
I still think that kind of purge shouldn't be possible.  a more  
granular approach would be appreciated.


Rather than have the top level virtual packages (gnome, in this case)  
depend on over 60 second level packages, could the to- level recommend  
a small number (say less than a dozen) second level packages that each  
represent a major subsystem of the Gnome Desktop Environment.  Each  
second level subsystem would then depend-on or recommend, in turn, a  
manageable number of actual packages -- perhaps with some overlap as  
necessary amongst the low-level libraries and leaf packages.


This would allow a more modular approach and let people purge (or  
never install in the first place) those packages they don't need.


If done carefully, it might also allow users to mix-and-match from  
amongst a collection of third level packages that provide a given  
functionality represented by a given second-level virtual package.


Just a thought...

And, no, I'm not volunteering to do a sample implementation -- I don't  
have the necessary Debian Packaging skills.  I'm just putting the idea  
out for discussion.


Rick


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Re: SD slot read card failed.

[Sthu Deus]

Good time of the day, lina.


You worte:

> I wonder, is it possible to read without the card reader.
> 
> Thanks with best regards,

After such errors I would w/ built-in card-reader, I would restart
whole the machine - for needs to be reset (the reader) - and it is the
easiest way.

Then try again w/ it. If no luck, then I suppose Your built-in reader
does not support such card for some reason or rejects working w/ it, or
drivers for it does not work correctly in such circumstances.


Sthu.


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Re: SD slot read card failed.

[Sthu Deus]

You worte:

> I wonder, is it possible to read without the card reader.

Oh, excuse me - I did see the rest of Your post. It seems that the card
was detected and device (/dev/sdb1) was assigned to it - what is Your
problem?


Sthu.


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Re: SD slot read card failed.

[lina]

On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Sthu Deus  wrote:
> Good time of the day, lina.

Very hilarious indeed.

Thank you.
>
> You worte:
>
>> I wonder, is it possible to read without the card reader.
>>
>> Thanks with best regards,
>
> After such errors I would w/ built-in card-reader, I would restart
> whole the machine - for needs to be reset (the reader) - and it is the
> easiest way.
>
> Then try again w/ it. If no luck, then I suppose Your built-in reader
> does not support such card for some reason or rejects working w/ it, or
> drivers for it does not work correctly in such circumstances.

I just don't want to waste the slot, if it can be used.

Thanks again,
>
>
> Sthu.
>
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Re: Samsung CLX-3185 driver(s) - was Re: Debian 5 - was Re: Query about root account

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Jo, 26 iul 12, 12:19:34, Bret Busby wrote:
> 
> Also, in switching on the printer, I get dialogue box "New printer
> found Samsung CLX-3180 series" I select "Search", which opens up two
> dialogue boxes, and the one "New Printer", in choosing "Select
> printer from database" and "Samsung", gives Samsung CLX-3175, which
> is a different model, which is what my wife is using, and has a
> different printer driver (and different cartridges) to the
> CLX-3185FW.

That may not matter for the driver, just try the test page ;)

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Re: systemd

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Jo, 26 iul 12, 06:30:23, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> 
> However, many people claim that pulseaudio is an advantage only. And now
> everybody claims that systemd is an advantage only.

I didn't get this impression from reading -devel.
 
> I experienced pulseaudio as a PITA for myself (pro-audio), but also as a
> showstopper when "averaged" people (= people who don't need pro-audio)
> try to switch from Windows to Linux.
> 
> Is systemd ready yet?
> 
> To get off the track: Not only Poettering's stuff is "experimental",
> also the switch from nv to nouveau IMO is insane.

AFAIU nv was unmaintainable because of code obfuscation. nouveau is 
still quite young, of course it has problems. The only way to fix such 
problems is for users to report them and follow-up with information as 
needed, since developers can't have the whole range of hardware to test 
compatibility with all chipsets.

> I decided to use Linux, because Linux in the past based on stable
> software. I wonder about the benefits to switch to unfinished stuff
> nowadays.
> 
> Believing what I read at Arch-general mailing list, configuring systemd
> will be in some kind of irrational secret language.

The example you posted in the other message is definitely better than 
shell (which is the language of current initscripts).

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Re: Purge Empathy messes up apt

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Mi, 25 iul 12, 18:53:36, Bob Proulx wrote:
> 
> I would prefer having more smaller bundles that could be installed
> piecemeal.  However the upstream gnome developers don't feel the same
> way.  They would like to see a 100% gnome system top to bottom and
> think doing anything else is wrong according to their philosophy.  We
> will have to agree to disagree.  For me if there were a set of
> meta-packages such as "desktop-extras" or some such that would be my
> preference over having a huge "gnome" meta-package.

There is gnome-core (which still depends on a lot of stuff) and also 
gnome-session.
 
> That puts you into exactly the same situation as the original poster.
> The 'abiword' package could be removed.  That would force removal of
> 'gnome', which is okay since it is just a meta-package and you don't
> need it.  But then dpkg will announce that the long list of things
> marked as automatically installed by gnome are now candidates for
> removal exactly as we are discussing here.

Nitpick: dpkg doesn't care about this, it's the higher level package 
managers (apt/itude).

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Re: systemd

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Thu, 2012-07-26 at 10:52 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Jo, 26 iul 12, 06:30:23, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > 
> > However, many people claim that pulseaudio is an advantage only. And now
> > everybody claims that systemd is an advantage only.
> 
> I didn't get this impression from reading -devel.

I never read Debian dev. Nice to read that the dev list pick holes in
arguments (IIUC).
 
> The example you posted in the other message is definitely better than 
> shell (which is the language of current initscripts).

I disagree ;). Especially network is a weak point for me, nearly no
knowledge and tons of issues regarding to my disabilities. Systemd's
unique language doesn't make it easier for me.

But again, I never tested systemd myself, so my statements are based on
nothing, but reading other mails.

Regards,
Ralf


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Re: Mate - Was: Re: bug report?: "Oh no! Something has gone wrong."

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On 25.07.2012 19:09, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Wed, 2012-07-25 at 18:55 +0300, Mika Suomalainen wrote:
>>> If you liked GNOME2, you must try MATE :).
> Ok, I'll take a look if there are maintained "packages" or "builds"
> for Debian, Ubuntu, Arch and soon or later Suse too.

They have repositories for Arch, Debian (Wheezy/Sid) and Ubuntu
(Oneiric and Precise). See http://mate-desktop.org/install/ for more
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Re: mail server

[Denis Witt]

On 25.07.2012 22:14, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote:


Thanks for letting me know these matters but i am not using it
publicly i will be downloading my emails from my hosted mail server.


Then you will have to add a tool like "fetchmail" to your list to 
download the mails and put them into the local mailboxes.


"webmin" can handle this quite well, too.

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Re: SD slot read card failed.

[Keith McKenzie]

@ lina
> I just don't want to waste the slot, if it can be used.


I'm thinking your slot only supports SD & not SDHC cards.

I have an early netbook that will only read 1gb or 2gb SD cards, & a
more recent netbook that reads SDHC 8gb cards perfectly.
However, if I use a converter, I can read & write to my 8gb cards.

So, if you want to use it, use a SD to USB stick type converter, that
way it works just like plugging in a pendrive

(I have no idea if any work with SDXC cards.)

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Re: Mate - Was: Re: bug report?: "Oh no! Something has gone wrong."

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Thu, 2012-07-26 at 11:07 +0300, Mika Suomalainen wrote:
> On 25.07.2012 19:09, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > On Wed, 2012-07-25 at 18:55 +0300, Mika Suomalainen wrote:
> >>> If you liked GNOME2, you must try MATE :).
> > Ok, I'll take a look if there are maintained "packages" or "builds"
> > for Debian, Ubuntu, Arch and soon or later Suse too.
> 
> They have repositories for Arch, Debian (Wheezy/Sid) and Ubuntu
> (Oneiric and Precise). See http://mate-desktop.org/install/ for more
> information.

I flagged your reply for the future.

Thank you!
Ralf


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logrotate: file size changed while zipping

[Slavko]

Hi all,

in last days (perhaps weeks) i get daily mail from cron's logrotate task
with this:

/etc/cron.daily/logrotate:
gzip: stdin: file size changed while zipping

I was no success to find any solution and i am not able to identify what
logrotate's job is produced this. I tried to check the logs, but perhaps i
find bad string - i don't k now. I tried to run logrotate from shell, but
nothing was written to console.

Please, can someone help me to identify the source of this message?

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Re: Epson Perfection 1240U USB scanner device not found

[Darac Marjal]

On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 05:31:40PM -1000, Joel Roth wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 01:44:17PM +, Camale??n wrote:
> > On Tue, 24 Jul 2012 11:23:57 -1000, Joel Roth wrote:
> > 
[cut]
> > 
> > Ah, then the scanner group was already present (that's correct) but your 
> > user should have been added to it automatically (I guess), at least 
> > that's how it is on my system (wheezy) and I have no TWAIN device 
> > attached to the netbook (no scanner, multi-function device, dsc camera... 
> > nothing).
> 
> How could the sane package install scripts know which
> users are to be included in the scanner group?

They could ask?



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GNOME3/Nautilus mount requires password

[Steve Dowe]

Hi,

I've Googled this aplenty and came across a multitude of possible
reasons why this is happening, but I would rather solicit an answer
detailing the "Debian way"...  I hope I've not missed this posted
elsewhere on the list/fora..

So, I'm running Wheezy, GNOME 3/gdm3, although my original install was
using LXDE/lxdm, and then XFCE/LightDM - all of which I like, but I keep
coming back to GNOME.

The problem is that I plug in a USB drive and cannot mount it with a
click in Nautilus without being prompted for my password.  I would like
to not be prompted for my password.

A few of the processes currently running on my system:

2515 ?Ss 0:00 /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --system
6192 ?S  0:00 /usr/bin/dbus-launch --exit-with-session
gnome-session
6196 ?Ss 0:01 /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --fork --print-pid 5
--print-address 7 --session
2569 ?Sl 0:00 /usr/lib/policykit-1/polkitd --no-debug

My user is a member of the sudo, plugdev & fuse system groups.  In
gnome-session-properties, PolicyKit Authentication Agent is ticked (it
points to
/usr/lib/policykit-1-gnome/polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1, which
exists).

If I try to execute
/usr/lib/policykit-1-gnome/polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1 on a
terminal, I get:

** (polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1:10561): WARNING **: Unable to
register authentication agent:
GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Error.Failed: An authentication
agent already exists for the given subject
Cannot register authentication agent:
GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Error.Failed: An authentication
agent already exists for the given subject

When I try   "gvfs-mount -d /dev/sdb1"

I get prompted through the GUI to enter my password.  If I decline, I
get: Error mounting /dev/dm-3: Not Authorized

I get exactly the same if I try "udisks --mount /dev/sdb1" too.

I think I'm missing a pretty simple piece of the puzzle here.  I'm
guessing it's policykit somewhere.

A final point - the partition is encrypted with luks - but gnome-keyring
seems to do a good job of using my saved password to decrypt the
partition, when I click on the drive in Nautilus.  It's then the
password-less mount which fails...

If anyone could point me in the right direction, I'd be very grateful.

Many thanks,
Steve

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Re: SD slot read card failed.

[Mark Neidorff]

On Thursday 26 July 2012 3:43:43 am lina wrote:
> 
> > You worte:
> >> I wonder, is it possible to read without the card reader.
> >> 
> >> Thanks with best regards,
> > 
> > After such errors I would w/ built-in card-reader, I would restart
> > whole the machine - for needs to be reset (the reader) - and it is the
> > easiest way.
> > 
> > Then try again w/ it. If no luck, then I suppose Your built-in reader
> > does not support such card for some reason or rejects working w/ it, or
> > drivers for it does not work correctly in such circumstances.
> 
> I just don't want to waste the slot, if it can be used.
> 

I'm having a problem visualizing your system.  Your system has a slot for 
inserting a SD card?  OK (I guess).  The cards have changed over time so that 
an old(er) reader will not read a new(er) card.  You have an external reader 
that will read the card.  There is probably nothing that you can do about the 
internal card slot (beyond put a strip of black tape across the front of it, 
perhaps ) since it is probably soldered to the motherboard.

Mark


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Re: mail server

[Denis Witt]

On 25.07.2012 22:17, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote:


how you perform basic tasks like mail-ques checking, logs, mail box
create, delete, mail restriction .etc.?


With postfix there is the command "postqueue" which will show you the 
current queue. With the "postsuper" command you can delete Mails from 
the queue.


Mail restrictions are handled in the postfix-Config directly. See 
http://www.postfix.org/RESTRICTION_CLASS_README.html for Details. Other 
rules are possible with "virtual_alias" and other functions, see 
http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html#virtual_alias.


Dovecot also support Sieve filter, http://wiki.dovecot.org/LDA/Sieve/.

Bye.


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Re: Samsung CLX-3185 driver(s) - was Re: Debian 5 - was Re: Query about root account

[Lisi]

On Thursday 26 July 2012 05:19:34 Bret Busby wrote:
> I found two distinct problems, when I tried using the URL in one of the
> screenshots from the splix web site; the URL apparently being for CUPS.
>
> The first, relates to  -> "Find New Printers". Selecting
> this button, leads to
>
> "
> Available Printers
> No printers found.
> "

Are you not using Debian?  What is wrong with 
# aptitude install splix
?
Do that, then go to http://liocalhost:631 and install your printer.

You do seem to be making a meal out of something very simple.

Lisi


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hello,I have a problem

[Gerald Suen]

man hping3
-i --interval wait (uX for X microseconds, for example -i u1000)
--fast alias for -i u1 (10 packets for second)
--faster alias for -i u1000 (100 packets for second)
--flood sent packets as fast as possible. Don't show replies.


1second=1000milliseconds
1millisecond=1000microseconds

so,I think it so be:
-i --interval wait (uX for X microseconds, for example -i u1000)
--fast alias for -i u1 (100 packets for second)
--faster alias for -i u1000 (1000 packets for second)
--flood sent packets as fast as possible. Don't show replies.


Am I wrong?


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hping3 documentation error? [was: Re: hello,I have a problem]

[Darac Marjal]

Please use a more descriptive subject.

On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 05:40:19PM +0800, Gerald Suen wrote:
> man hping3
> -i --interval wait (uX for X microseconds, for example -i u1000)
> --fast alias for -i u1 (10 packets for second)
> --faster alias for -i u1000 (100 packets for second)
> --flood sent packets as fast as possible. Don't show replies.
> 
> 
> 1second=1000milliseconds
> 1millisecond=1000microseconds
> 
> so,I think it so be:
> -i --interval wait (uX for X microseconds, for example -i u1000)
> --fast alias for -i u1 (100 packets for second)
> --faster alias for -i u1000 (1000 packets for second)
> --flood sent packets as fast as possible. Don't show replies.

That seems sensible to me (additionally, I'd use "packets per second").
Report it as a wishlist bug against the hping3 package. For bonus
points, supply a patch.



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Re: SD slot read card failed.

[Lisi]

On Thursday 26 July 2012 08:30:09 Sthu Deus wrote:
> Oh, excuse me - I did see the rest of Your post.

Sthu -

Do you mean "I did **not** see the rest of your post."

Several times now I have seen posts of yours where I would swear that you must 
mean the negative, but you have written in the positive.  

Elucidation, please!

Lisi


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Re: Printers using free software only

[Gaël DONVAL]

Le mercredi 25 juillet 2012 à 21:34 +0100, Brian a écrit :
> On Wed 25 Jul 2012 at 23:23:14 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> 
> > On Mi, 25 iul 12, 21:18:19, Brian wrote:
> > > On Wed 25 Jul 2012 at 18:02:11 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > > 
> > > > On Lu, 23 iul 12, 18:05:45, Brian wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > All the major applications on the popular DEs are now geared up to
> > > > > output in PDF format when printing.
> > > > 
> > > > PDF is kind of a subset of PostScript ;)
> > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pdf#PostScript
> > > 
> > > An interesting perspective but how does that connect with the assertion
> > > that
> > > 
> > > > . . . Linux applications generally output Postscript when printing. ?
> > > 
> > > I'll rephrase what I said previously:
> > > 
> > > No major application on the popular DEs outputs PostScript when printing.
> > 
> > I was trying to point out that a PS printer is also a PDF printer.
> 
> Are you using the word 'printer' to refer to the actual physical machine
> which does the printing or are you using it as a shorthand for 'printer
> queue' or 'print queue'?
> 
> 
I might have totally missed the point: I am by no way a printer* guru,
but I have yet to see someone do a
cat file.ps > /dev/lpr0 (or whatever)
to print a file.

What the guy wanted was just to be sure that in 5-10 years, his printer
would still work even if the blobs were not to be released anymore.

Three goods points were raised:
1) Postscript printers (advertised so) are great in that regard because
they only need a PPD (ASCII) file to work. This is not the only way to
be sure the printer will work in 10 years but this is the easiest (BTW,
I have never heard of someone complaining because some binary blobs for
his printer were not available anymore...).
2) Even with open source drivers, you cannot control the firmware of the
printer: some printers are programmed to force you to visit your
reseller once in a while for "maintenance" or just stop working.
3) CUPS is most certainly what will be used to manage the queue and talk
to the printer. CUPS will translate everything that is sent to it to
some dialect the printer can understand.

Am I wrong somewhere? Did I overlooked something important here?


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Re: Characters too small in tty

[Rodolfo Medina]

Camaleón  writes:

> On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 12:15:56 +, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
>
>> Recently I installed Debian Sid.  After installing x-window-system-core,
>> at the new reboot characters in tty* consoles were smaller, much too
>> small.  And also in the virtual terminal within xfce graphical
>> environment.  How can I restore the previous state?  Googling around did
>> not help.
>
> Mmm... maybe you need to "dpkg-reconfigure console-setup" :-?
>


Mike McClain  writes:

> I recently experienced the same problems.
>
> In X, try xfontsel.
> On your ttys:
> dpkg-reconfigure console-setup  or  setupcon
>
> TerminusBold 20x10 is easier to read and still 38x102 char screen
> reboot got larger text on all VTs   ( telinit 1 might have done it )


Thanks.  `dpkg-reconfigure console-setup' seems to have fixed the problem with
tty*.  But in the terminal emulator within xfce characters are still very
small.  What package should I `dpkg-reconfigure' in order to fix that?

Thanks
Rodolfo


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Re: Mate - Was: Re: bug report?: "Oh no! Something has gone wrong."

[Cybe R. Wizard]

On Thu, 26 Jul 2012 11:07:08 +0300
Mika Suomalainen  wrote:

> On 25.07.2012 19:09, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > On Wed, 2012-07-25 at 18:55 +0300, Mika Suomalainen wrote:  
> >>> If you liked GNOME2, you must try MATE :).  
> > Ok, I'll take a look if there are maintained "packages" or "builds"
> > for Debian, Ubuntu, Arch and soon or later Suse too.  
> 
> They have repositories for Arch, Debian (Wheezy/Sid) and Ubuntu
> (Oneiric and Precise). See http://mate-desktop.org/install/ for more
> information.

Any idea as to when/if they'll actually get MATE into a real Debian
repository? Until then I won't be  trying it.

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Re: Mate - Was: Re: bug report?: "Oh no! Something has gone wrong."

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> Any idea as to when/if they'll actually get MATE into a real
> Debian repository? Until then I won't be  trying it.

Not in near future :(.

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=658783

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Re: [OT] Alcatel OT-800A + Wheezy

[hvw59601]

Camaleón wrote:

On Sun, 08 Jul 2012 13:11:52 -0500, hvw59601 wrote:


Camaleón wrote:


(...)


OTOH, wammu/gammu cell phone database lists yours as supported (at
least at a certain degree¹) so maybe you need a special cable or you
need to set some configuration within the phone before :-?

¹http://wammu.eu/phones/alcatel/3904/



Good info. Unfortunately the manual is gone because it was a gift as a
used phone. But I'll try wammu/gammu. Thanks!


Operating manuals can be usually get from the manufacturer's site, try 
there :-)


I installed wammu and gammu and connected the phone to a USB port. No 
message appeared in kernel.log and lsusb showed nothing new. Then I 
selected the configuration wizzard in wammu but in the end you have to 
enter the USB address of the phone: and there isn't any :-(


Hugo


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Re: [OT] Alcatel OT-800A + Wheezy

[Thierry Chatelet]

On Sunday 08 July 2012 16:54:51 hvw59601 wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> 
> I'd like to connect an Alcatel OT-800A cellphone to a Wheezy desktop
> with the USB cable that comes with it. Googling is not much help. What
> firmware would I use?
> 
> 
> Hugo

Did not notice your question before!!

Well my 2 cents:
 I had the same cellphone. Never manage to connect it under wheezy. Use to work 
fine under squeeze. Then, I don't remember the bug, but I read it long ago, and 
there is not much hope to have it fix has the maintener stop maintening the 
faulty package. As I had a squeeze machine, I used it for my cellphone, until I 
changed it.
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Re: systemd

[Roger Leigh]

On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 07:22:50AM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> 
> > Believing what I read at Arch-general mailing list, configuring systemd
> > will be in some kind of irrational secret language.
> 
> An example:
> [Unit]
> Description=[u] Static Interface [%I]
> StopWhenUnneeded=true
> Wants=network.target
> Before=network.target
> BindTo=sys-subsystem-net-devices-%i.device
> After=sys-subsystem-net-devices-%i.device
> After=basic.target

So this is a standard INI-style configuration format.  It's used
by a lot of software since it's clear and simple.

> I see that %I is supposed to stand for eth0; how do I connect this
> with eth0?

Don't know about this specific case, but presumably it's a generic
template which can be resused for multiple network interfaces.

systemd has lots of legitimate criticisms, but its configuration
file format is not one of them.  A straightforward declarative
format is vastly more robust and maintainable than a motley
collection of imperative shell scripts.  There's simply no
argument on that point.  If we could use the same (or a subset)
of the format in sysvinit, I'd certainly look at that.


Regards,
Roger

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Re: Characters too small in tty

[Camaleón]

On Thu, 26 Jul 2012 11:23:59 +, Rodolfo Medina wrote:

> Thanks.  `dpkg-reconfigure console-setup' seems to have fixed the
> problem with tty*.  But in the terminal emulator within xfce characters
> are still very small.  What package should I `dpkg-reconfigure' in order
> to fix that?

Pseudo-terminals look&feel is usually configured by their own settings. 
You can set the font face and size from "Terminal Preferences / 
Appearance" as instructed here:

http://docs.xfce.org/apps/terminal/preferences

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Re: mail server

[Camaleón]

On Thu, 26 Jul 2012 01:17:15 +0500, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote:

> On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 7:57 PM, Camaleón  wrote:
>> On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 16:52:25 +0500, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote:
>>
>>> need suggestions, i know there are few populer mail servers like
>>> postfix, sandmail etc out there.

(...)

>> My ingredients for the recipe:
>>
>> - Fetchmail (or getmail) for polling e-mails form your remote provider
>> - Postfix (for local/remote lmtp/smtp services) - Cyrus (for
>> local/remote pop/imap services) - Spamassassin (anti-spam)
>> - ClamAV (antivirus if using windows stations) - Amavisd-new (I call it
>> "the glue" because I use it to join all the pieces)
>>
>> I have no webmail (forbidden), e-mail users are stored in a separate
>> database (sasl2db) and are not system users which means no login shell.
>>
>>
> how you perform basic tasks like mail-ques checking, logs, mail box
> create, delete, mail restriction .etc.?

IIRC, last time I checked years ago, there were some GUI based frontends 
to perform the usual operations with Cyrus and Postfix (and also webmin 
has to provide a couple of modules to manage these services) but I still 
prefer to do it manually -using the command line- because I find it to be 
more secure and less prone to errors or missconfigurations. Of course, 
this cannot be suitable for a thousand users configuration but still a 
valid option for managing a bunch of accounts.

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Re: wifi connect _FAILS_ - was [Re: FROZEN Wheezy netinst - Where to get?]

[Richard Owlett]

Brian wrote:

On Tue 24 Jul 2012 at 17:08:50 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:


Has anyone actually used netinst (any generation) to install Debian
(any generation) to a virgin laptop when the *ONLY* available
internet was using a WiFi hotspot? ???


Yes.


All my attempts have failed at DHCP negotiation.


A possible failure to associate with the wireless access point. What
does lspci (or lsusb) say the card is?


03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. 
AR5212 802.11abg NIC (rev 01)






The same physical laptop (and at least one other) has happily
connected at the identical physical location using Debian LiveCD,
Ubuntu LiveCD, Slacko 5.3.3 LiveCD and (IIRC) Porteus 1.2 LiveCD.


Encouraging. The Debian Live connection was set up and established
after the OS had been booted?


And happily connects after full install from liveCD - always 
has.




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Re: Printers using free software only

[Camaleón]

On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 23:23:14 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:

> On Mi, 25 iul 12, 21:18:19, Brian wrote:
>> On Wed 25 Jul 2012 at 18:02:11 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>> 
>> > On Lu, 23 iul 12, 18:05:45, Brian wrote:
>> > > 
>> > > All the major applications on the popular DEs are now geared up to
>> > > output in PDF format when printing.
>> > 
>> > PDF is kind of a subset of PostScript ;)
>> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pdf#PostScript
>> 
>> An interesting perspective but how does that connect with the assertion
>> that
>> 
>> > . . . Linux applications generally output Postscript when printing. ?
>> 
>> I'll rephrase what I said previously:
>> 
>> No major application on the popular DEs outputs PostScript when
>> printing.
> 
> I was trying to point out that a PS printer is also a PDF printer.

And better than PDF, I'd say.

PostScript specification is by far a more professionally-oriented 
language that PDF format (aside comment: last time I checked you could 
embed a 3D video animation on a PDF sheet and all kind of 
"dynamicallities"... geez!).

Sadly, I can guess the why of this moving¹ :-(

***
Note: While PostScript is currently the defacto-standard print job file 
format/language for UNIX-based applications, it is slowly being phased 
out in favor of Adobe's Portable Document Format ("PDF") which offers 
many advantages over PostScript. *Mac OS X uses PDF as the primary print 
job file format* and Linux is making the transition. Both PostScript and 
PDF are complex formats, and we highly recommend using high-level 
toolkits whenever possible to create your print jobs.
***

Hint: *bolded text* is mine.

¹http://www.cups.org/documentation.php/doc-1.5/spec-postscript.html

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Re: cron.daily error

[Camaleón]

On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 13:50:32 -0700, Jeff Grossman wrote:

> On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 14:25:40 +0100, Darac Marjal wrote:

(...)

>>I imagine that your system shell has been changed to dash (run "ls -l
>>/bin/sh" to check). Dash is somewhat stricter in its implementation of
>>POSIX than bash (it's main focus is to be lighter than bash so as to
>>allow quicker booting). POSIX declares that the "source" command should
>>check the path when given a filename without path components. Bash
>>relaxes this somewhat by also checking the current directory. Dash
>>DOESN'T do this.
>>
>>That is, assuming somefile.sh is in the current directory, "source
>>somefile.sh" will work in bash, but not dash. To fix this bashism, use
>>"source ./somefile.sh".
> 
> I just did a "grep source *" from the /etc/cron.daily directory to
> figure out what file is causing me the problems.  But, it came back
> empty.  How would I figure out where that source file is to fix it? The
> e-mail is my daily cron.daily cron job e-mail that is giving me the
> error.

Is there any customized file/script under "/etc/cron.daily"?

You can also "take a grep" into /var/log/syslog* and search for any 
cron.d* or per-user crontab defined routines :-?

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Re: systemd

[Vincent Lefevre]

On 2012-07-25 23:38:57 +0100, Roger Leigh wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 06:16:11PM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > On Ma, 24 iul 12, 12:38:12, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > > I'm confused, will Debian or will Debian not switch to systemd?
> > 
> > Definitely not for wheezy, it's already frozen. As I understand from 
> > lurking on -devel, the plan is to demote sysvinit from Essential as soon 
> > as the wheezy+1 development cycle starts, to allow admins to experiment 
> > with systemd or upstart.
> 
> Just to clarify, the removal of the Essential status from sysvinit
> changes nothing--it's pointless and doesn't affect experimentation
> with systemd or upstart, both of which can be used as a sysvinit
> replacement right now.  It will just make some of the dependencies
> slightly cleaner, but is only a tiny detail.

Not for upstart, which conflicts with sysvinit. The user doesn't
know whether he has some package installed that would depend on
sysvinit and break his system if sysvinit is removed.

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nouveau (was: systemd)

[Vincent Lefevre]

On 2012-07-26 10:52:42 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> AFAIU nv was unmaintainable because of code obfuscation. nouveau is 
> still quite young, of course it has problems. The only way to fix such 
> problems is for users to report them and follow-up with information as 
> needed, since developers can't have the whole range of hardware to test 
> compatibility with all chipsets.

There's http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=640464 for
which there is nothing new even though I have provided a testcase
and the problem is 100% reproducible on two of my machines.

A workaround is to disable optimization, but it makes the machine
unusable in practice.

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Re: debian wheezy netinst questions

[Camaleón]

On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 20:35:29 -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote:

> Why won't debian wheezy netinst recognize my Seagate Baracooda 7200
> 1500gb hard drive automatically?

Because of any fancy disk layout is currently in place? Because of a BIOS 
setting (ide/sata/ahci/raid) making noise? Because of U/EFI present? A 
BIOS/UEFI bug? An unrecognized hard disk controller?

> Since automatic recognition fails, which if any driver is installed that
> I can select and get the drive partitioned and formatted and finish a
> debian installation?

>From the installer, you can jump to a debug console to discover why it 
fails to recognize the disk. Also, you can check if the disk if detected 
by loading any LiveCD of your liking.

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Re: mail server

[Denis Witt]

On 26.07.2012 16:25, Camaleón wrote:


how you perform basic tasks like mail-ques checking, logs, mail box
create, delete, mail restriction .etc.?



IIRC, last time I checked years ago, there were some GUI based frontends
to perform the usual operations with Cyrus and Postfix (and also webmin
has to provide a couple of modules to manage these services) but I still
prefer to do it manually -using the command line- because I find it to be
more secure and less prone to errors or missconfigurations. Of course,


I second that.


this cannot be suitable for a thousand users configuration but still a
valid option for managing a bunch of accounts.


BTW: With Wheezy it has become very easy to set up an LDAP-Server. 
Together with LAM (LDAP Account Manager) it's very easy to maintain even 
a quite large number of users and their Mailaccounts.


But for Muhammads case (20 people) I think I would simple use system 
users with --shell=/bin/false


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Re: Epson Perfection 1240U USB scanner device not found

[Camaleón]

On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 17:31:40 -1000, Joel Roth wrote:

> On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 01:44:17PM +, Camale??n wrote:

(...)

>> > I didn't express myself clearly, I added myself to the scanner group,
>> > I didn't add the group.
>> 
>> Ah, then the scanner group was already present (that's correct) but
>> your user should have been added to it automatically (I guess), at
>> least that's how it is on my system (wheezy) and I have no TWAIN device
>> attached to the netbook (no scanner, multi-function device, dsc
>> camera... nothing).
> 
> How could the sane package install scripts know which users are to be
> included in the scanner group?

If I were a bash routine O:-) I would simply look at the "/etc/group" 
file. 

Anyway, every user (already created or to be created) is added by default 
to the scanner group because of the pattern used to set this ("/etc/
adduser.conf").

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Re: logrotate: file size changed while zipping

[Camaleón]

On Thu, 26 Jul 2012 10:42:30 +0200, Slavko wrote:

> in last days (perhaps weeks) i get daily mail from cron's logrotate task
> with this:
> 
> /etc/cron.daily/logrotate:
> gzip: stdin: file size changed while zipping

The error seems coming from "zip.c" library. Have you installed the stock 
version?

Also, have you edited any of the logrotate routines at "/etc/logrotate.d/
*" or have you added a self-made one?

> I was no success to find any solution and i am not able to identify what
> logrotate's job is produced this. I tried to check the logs, but perhaps
> i find bad string - i don't k now. I tried to run logrotate from shell,
> but nothing was written to console.
> 
> Please, can someone help me to identify the source of this message?

If the warning can be reproduced consistently (every day) and you have 
the official packages with no other editions/configurations made by you, 
I would consider in filing a bug report.

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Re: GNOME3/Nautilus mount requires password

[Camaleón]

On Thu, 26 Jul 2012 10:07:57 +0100, Steve Dowe wrote:

> So, I'm running Wheezy, GNOME 3/gdm3, although my original install was
> using LXDE/lxdm, and then XFCE/LightDM - all of which I like, but I keep
> coming back to GNOME.
> 
> The problem is that I plug in a USB drive and cannot mount it with a
> click in Nautilus without being prompted for my password.  I would like
> to not be prompted for my password.

(...)

First thing I would try is to create a new user and do the first login 
with gnome-shell to check from there. My wild guess is that given the 
number of Desktops installed in your system something could have been 
messed up.

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Re: Samsung CLX-3185 driver(s) - was Re: Debian 5 - was Re: Query about root account

[Bret Busby]

On Thu, 26 Jul 2012, Lisi wrote:



On Thursday 26 July 2012 05:19:34 Bret Busby wrote:

I found two distinct problems, when I tried using the URL in one of the
screenshots from the splix web site; the URL apparently being for CUPS.

The first, relates to  -> "Find New Printers". Selecting
this button, leads to

"
Available Printers
No printers found.
"


Are you not using Debian?  What is wrong with
# aptitude install splix
?
Do that, then go to http://liocalhost:631 and install your printer.

You do seem to be making a meal out of something very simple.

Lisi




I ask that you read my message to which you responded; if you have read 
the whole message, then I ask you to read it again.


In your editing above, of what I had posted, you had deleted the part 
that I believe dealt with what you said above.


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Re: using serial port read and write

[Mike McClain]

Howdy,

I haven't written serial code since the days of DOS and never under
Linux so take what I have to say with a grain of salt. That being said
as a hardware tech I've debugged many broken serial connections.

On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 01:22:11PM +0100, abdelkader belahcene wrote:

 

> On one machine the programs ran perfectly,
> when I tried  them on another machine, exactly same machine running same
> system ( linuxMint), in same conditions,  they didn't.

I've no experience with Mint but with Debian, RedHat and Slakware it's
very easy to answer one question differently during the install and come
up with a much different system so I'd suggest you question your assumption
that the systems are identical and try to verify it. For a simple package
comparison in Debian pipe the output of this "dpkg --list | grep '^ii'"
to a file on the 2 systems and compare the files. On RedHat this
"rpm -qa | sort" used to give similar information.
This still doesn't mean the systems are the same but a comparison of
the contents of /etc/ will bring you closer.

Compare the outputs of setserial and statserial for the serial ports of
both machines. 'dmesg | grep serial' should tell you that the kernel has
recognized both serial ports and neither is disabled in BIOS.

Physically a serial port is comprised of a transmitter and a receiver,
either can have a blown gate and be non functional.

I'd suggest you combine your 2 programs with subroutines for serial_send
and serial_receive that accept parameters for which port and the string sent/
received which will allow you to readily reverse the direction of communication.
It might be that having a blown transmitter or receiver on one port of the 2nd
machine it could still communicate in the other direction.

If the 2 machines are close enough to each other you can test further by
running comm from each port of each machine giving you 8 combinations to narrow
down the problem.

Lastly, while the process is still fresh in your mind comment your code
liberally and re-examine your choice of variable names trying to think if
they are descriptive enough that you won't puzzle over them 2 years from now.

HTH,
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Re: Characters too small in tty

[Curt]

On 2012-07-26, Rodolfo Medina  wrote:
>
> Thanks.  `dpkg-reconfigure console-setup' seems to have fixed the problem with
> tty*.  But in the terminal emulator within xfce characters are still very
> small.  What package should I `dpkg-reconfigure' in order to fix that?

For xterm I use the ~.Xresources file (which replaces the obsolete
~.Xdefaults file I believe) and a suggestion from a post by Linus for
the font:

 XTerm*faceName: andale 
 XTerm*faceSize: 15
 XTerm*faceWidth: 12

You might have to create the ~.Xresources file yourself.


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Re: [OT] Alcatel OT-800A + Wheezy

[Camaleón]

On Thu, 26 Jul 2012 08:21:12 -0500, hvw59601 wrote:

> Camaleón wrote:

 ¹http://wammu.eu/phones/alcatel/3904/


>>> Good info. Unfortunately the manual is gone because it was a gift as a
>>> used phone. But I'll try wammu/gammu. Thanks!
>> 
>> Operating manuals can be usually get from the manufacturer's site, try
>> there :-)
> 
> I installed wammu and gammu and connected the phone to a USB port. No
> message appeared in kernel.log and lsusb showed nothing new. 

dmesg | grep -i usb

> Then I selected the configuration wizzard in wammu but in the end you
> have to enter the USB address of the phone: and there isn't any :-(

When using gammu/wammu the device has to be configured to be detected as 
a modem ("/dev/ttyUSB0") instead a mass-storage device ("/media"). 
Choosing between the two modes is something you have to do before 
connecting the device, from the cell phone itself.

Also, if BT is available you can try with that (if your computer has a BT 
adapter, of course :-) )

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Re: systemd

[Roger Leigh]

On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 06:30:23AM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> To get off the track: Not only Poettering's stuff is "experimental",
> also the switch from nv to nouveau IMO is insane.

Not at all.  IIRC, nouveau supports KMS while nv does not.  nouveau
therefore integrates with modern X11, drmfb and other technologies.
nv does not.  Now, nv might provide a better driver experience right
now, but don't let short term inconvenience block major long-term
improvements.  Look at the state of where we are now, and where we
should go in the long term:

Right now, if you use either the nVidia nv or AMD fglrx drivers,
you get a complete current OpenGL stack and great hardware
acceleration.  The downside is that each has a completely
independent OpenGL stack, which both have bugs, and which don't
play well with the rest of the system.  They both break often
because they don't keep up to date with current development of
kernel and X11 interfaces.  They are both known to cause kernel
instability due to their insane designs.

The open drivers are only just starting to offer OpenGL 3.0
support, and are not as complete and not as performant.  However...
we have a unified OpenGL stack, and all the drivers are kept
up to date with current kernel and X11 interfaces.  Unlike the
proprietary drivers, "old" graphics cards are not removed within
a short timespan.  They can make use of the kernel infrastructure
like KMS, DRI/DRM, GEM/TTM etc. while the proprietary drivers don't
play nicely.

In the future, we want to be in the situation that all drivers
use the same OpenGL stack and are all free.  It means as a developer,
you'll be able to rely on the presence and functionality of a
certain OpenGL baseline (e.g. 3.x, 4.x in time), while at present
the baseline is 2.x (you can't use higher level features without
only being usable with proprietary drivers).  The proprietary drivers
have no long term future--it's not like they have ever been truly
supported, due to the kernel tainting etc.  As a developer, I want to
be in the situation where I can just distribute an OpenGL-using
application and have it work out of the box; the proprietary drivers
will never provide that.  It's also a lot easier to develop for--see
recent comments from Valve et. al. regarding it being far easier to
optimise and debug given the source availablity.

The last two cards I bought were AMD/ATI HD  4850 and 6970 cards.
They have only ever been used with the free drivers.  Stability
is great, 3D support is good, and I have no complaints.  I
purchased these specifically because of the fact that it has
good libre driver support.  In time, we'll get better performace
and more features, but for now we have a Free and functional stack,
albeit not as slick as the proprietary offerings.

> I'm sceptical, but to be fair, I never tested systemd myself.

Criticism is better placed when it is informed criticism.  I would
highly recommend giving it a try.  While I disagree with a number
of systemd decisions, many of the core concepts are solid, and this
type of init system is definitely the future.  Even if we don't
default to systemd, reusing its concepts will be highly beneficial.


Regards,
Roger

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AMD FirePro M3900 versus fglrx-driver

[César Rocha]

Hi, folks!

I'm Cesar, from Brazil. I've been using Debian Squeeze on my desktop:
it has a ATI Technologies Inc M880G [Mobility Radeon HD 4200] so that
fglrx-driver works perfectly. But, I'm gonna buy a brand new laptop HP
Elitebook 8460w very soon so that machine has a AMD FirePro™ M3900
with 1 GB dedicated DDR3 video memory graphic card. The AMD and HP
sites only provide a driver compliant with the Suse Enterprise distro.
So my question is:

Is AMD FirePro M3900 already supported by the current (Squeeze) fglrx-driver
(or will I probably have problems with that graphic card on Debian
Squeeze)? If so, I will have to wait until Wheezy release?

Sorry if I'm at the wrong place or I've sent this question to the
wrong mail-list.
And, again, sorry about my English.

Best regards,
Cesar


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Re: SD slot read card failed.

[Sthu Deus]

You wrote:

> > Oh, excuse me - I did see the rest of Your post.
> 
> Sthu -
> 
> Do you mean "I did **not** see the rest of your post."
> 
> Several times now I have seen posts of yours where I would swear that
> you must mean the negative, but you have written in the
> positive.  
> 
> Elucidation, please!

No problem! :o)

In this particular letter (and I suppose others too) it means:

1. Excuse me - for
2. I have seen the rest (end) of Your post

I.e. I have read finally Your post (to the end) and found that my first
presumption was incorrect - in whole - for Your post contained 2
different things:

1. reader returns errors

2. reader reads the card.

My first letter was referencing to beginning of Your letter, while the
second one - to the end of Your same letter.

Is it clear(er) now?! :o)


Sthu.


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AMD FirePro M3900 versus fglrx-driver

[César Rocha]

Hi, folks!

I'm Cesar, from Brazil. I've been using Debian Squeeze on my desktop:
it has a ATI Technologies Inc M880G [Mobility Radeon HD 4200] so that
fglrx-driver works perfectly. But, I'm gonna buy a brand new laptop HP
Elitebook 8460w very soon so that machine has a AMD FirePro™ M3900
with 1 GB dedicated DDR3 video memory graphic card. The AMD and HP
sites only provide a driver compliant with the Suse Enterprise distro.
So my question is:

Is AMD FirePro M3900 supported by the current (Squeeze) fglrx-driver
(or will I probably have problems with that graphic card on Debian
Squeeze)? If so, I will have to wait until Wheezy release?

Sorry if I'm at the wrong place or I've sent this question to the
wrong mail-list.
And, again, sorry about my English.

Best regards,
Cesar


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Re: SD slot read card failed.

[Lisi]

On Thursday 26 July 2012 17:16:22 Sthu Deus wrote:
> Is it clear(er) now?! :o)

Thanks!!  Totally clear. :-)   Sorry for being slow on the uptake.

Lisi


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Re: Printers using free software only

[Roger Leigh]

On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 02:39:29PM +, Camaleón wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 23:23:14 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> >> 
> >> No major application on the popular DEs outputs PostScript when
> >> printing.
> > 
> > I was trying to point out that a PS printer is also a PDF printer.
> 
> And better than PDF, I'd say.
> 
> PostScript specification is by far a more professionally-oriented 
> language that PDF format (aside comment: last time I checked you could 
> embed a 3D video animation on a PDF sheet and all kind of 
> "dynamicallities"... geez!).

No, while PDF does perhaps allow such things, it's far far better than
PostScript.

PostScript is difficult to process due to the fact that it's a fully-
featured Turing-complete language.  It's difficult to parse to find
page boundaries since you have to process the whole document to be
sure.  There are standards to mark up the PostScript to make this
simpler, but they are optional and can be wrong.  Processing it can
have unbounded complexity.

PDF is a subset of PostScript and does not have a Turing-complete
grammar.  It means it's possible to process it very fast, and it
has structure which PostScript does not.  For example, selecting a
subset of pages is very fast, and doesn't require processing all the
pages in the whole file to extract a few pages.  So things like page
subsetting, rescaling, n-up printing, etc. become trivial.  Also,
take a simple task like copying some text out of a PDF; it's easy,
because it has a higher-level structure than PostScript.  Doing it
with PostScript is decidedly non-trivial.  Not only do you have to
find the text (which might be printed letter by letter), you also have
to deal with font subsetting and encoding issues.  It might even be
bitmaps.

PDF is also a superset in other areas.  For example, it has support
for transparency, gradients (including meshes) and other advanced
drawing and rendering which PostScript can't support.  If you print
this as PostScript, it has to approximate the transparency, gradients
etc. with thousands of smaller objects, and the file size can balloon
to tens of times its original size (I've had multi-gigabyte PostScript
files generated from tens to hundreds of megabyte PDFs).  Being able to
print natively as PDF means you can just transfer the PDF and avoid
such lossy conversion.  It also supports colour profiles for accurate
colour reproduction.  A native PDF workflow is far, far better and
vastly more flexible than a native PostScript workflow.

PDF/A is normally used for printing--it's the sensible subset without
all the pointless bells and whistles.  PDF is the successor to
PostScript, which eliminates the mistakes of the format (being fully
programmable, and lacking in many modern features), while adding a
few of its own (stupid additional features).  Ignore those extra
features, and it's a much, much better solution than PostScript.


Regards,
Roger

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Re: nouveau (was: systemd)

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Jo, 26 iul 12, 16:51:53, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> 
> There's http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=640464 for
> which there is nothing new even though I have provided a testcase
> and the problem is 100% reproducible on two of my machines.
> 
> A workaround is to disable optimization, but it makes the machine
> unusable in practice.

Have you tried reporting it upstream (didn't look)? Normally the package 
maintainer would do this, but some help doesn't hurt.

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Re: mail server

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Jo, 26 iul 12, 10:17:38, Denis Witt wrote:
> On 25.07.2012 22:14, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote:
> 
> >Thanks for letting me know these matters but i am not using it
> >publicly i will be downloading my emails from my hosted mail server.
> 
> Then you will have to add a tool like "fetchmail" to your list to
> download the mails and put them into the local mailboxes.

getmail is nice.

> "webmin" can handle this quite well, too.

Do you mean for administration?

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Re: logrotate: file size changed while zipping

[Slavko]

Hi,

Dňa Thu, 26 Jul 2012 15:21:34 + (UTC) Camaleón 
napísal:

> On Thu, 26 Jul 2012 10:42:30 +0200, Slavko wrote:
> 
> > in last days (perhaps weeks) i get daily mail from cron's logrotate
> > task with this:
> > 
> > /etc/cron.daily/logrotate:
> > gzip: stdin: file size changed while zipping
> 
> The error seems coming from "zip.c" library. Have you installed the
> stock version?

I am not sure, are you mean the gzip package? My gzip is from official repo:

LANG=C aptpo gzip
gzip:
  Installed: 1.5-1.1
  Candidate: 1.5-1.1
  Version table:
 *** 1.5-1.1 0
500 http://ftp.cz.debian.org/debian/ testing/main amd64 Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status

> Also, have you edited any of the logrotate routines at "/etc/logrotate.d/
> *" or have you added a self-made one?

Yes, i have modified (one) and my own (two) routines there, but i have them
a long time before this message appears. They are untouched a long time
too. I check this now, and they last changes are some months ago (both
modified & custom) - march and older. The newest one
is /etc/logrotate.d/tor from 2012-07-06.

> If the warning can be reproduced consistently (every day) and you have 
> the official packages with no other editions/configurations made by you, 
> I would consider in filing a bug report.

Yes, they are daily here. Filling bugreport is no problem for me, but
first i want (need) to identify the source of this message, as you
properly pointed, they can come from my own or customized routines
(probably not, because they was a long time untouched).

Can i check this by finding the ungzipped old log files? Or is there way
to disable particular logrotate routine? Or some another way? I don't
know...

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Re: nouveau

[Sven Joachim]

On 2012-07-26 18:34 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:

> On Jo, 26 iul 12, 16:51:53, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
>> 
>> There's http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=640464 for
>> which there is nothing new even though I have provided a testcase
>> and the problem is 100% reproducible on two of my machines.
>> 
>> A workaround is to disable optimization, but it makes the machine
>> unusable in practice.
>
> Have you tried reporting it upstream (didn't look)?

Yes, he did: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49786

> Normally the package 
> maintainer would do this, but some help doesn't hurt.

I don't forward bugs that I cannot reproduce, since that would be very
inefficient.

Cheers,
   Sven


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Display glitches after upgrading to newer version of Screen

[John Magolske]

Hi,

After upgrading from Screen version 4.00.03jw4 to 4.01.00devel I've
noticed some odd behaviour -- there's this bit of text superimposed
in the upper left corner of each window:

;screen
;ELinks

and so on, depending on the application running in a given pseudo-tty.
Also, portions of the top title bar in mutt will disappear, being
overwritten "blank". Selecting it in copy/scrollback mode will then
highlight the disappeared title bar and bring it back. And the ncurses
display of ELinks is messed up as well. Etc.

A message to screen-users about this went unanswered, so I thought
I'd check here. Has anyone else seen such behaviour? Any thoughts as
to why this might be happening? This is in a framebuffer console on
up-to-date Debian Sid.

Thanks for any help,

John

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Re: Printers using free software only

[Camaleón]

On Thu, 26 Jul 2012 17:27:26 +0100, Roger Leigh wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 02:39:29PM +, Camaleón wrote:
>> On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 23:23:14 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> No major application on the popular DEs outputs PostScript when
>> >> printing.
>> > 
>> > I was trying to point out that a PS printer is also a PDF printer.
>> 
>> And better than PDF, I'd say.
>> 
>> PostScript specification is by far a more professionally-oriented
>> language that PDF format (aside comment: last time I checked you could
>> embed a 3D video animation on a PDF sheet and all kind of
>> "dynamicallities"... geez!).
> 
> No, while PDF does perhaps allow such things, it's far far better than
> PostScript.

(...)

PostScript is a languge for machines not for human beings. It does not 
have to be "easy" but "accurate". One only have to read the full 
specification manual of both to start guessing "why" (hint: one of them 
has around 200 less pages) :-)

(note that I don't want my printer to "read" but "interpret" the document 
I am sending it exactly "as is" and PS complexity is precisely for doing 
so)

> PDF/A is normally used for printing--it's the sensible subset without
> all the pointless bells and whistles.  PDF is the successor to
> PostScript, which eliminates the mistakes of the format (being fully
> programmable, and lacking in many modern features), while adding a few
> of its own (stupid additional features).  Ignore those extra features,
> and it's a much, much better solution than PostScript.

You say "successor", I read "simplification" and simplifying has always 
its drawbacks and lots of backward incompatibilities.

Sorry, but my reluctancy is because PDF was born for a completely 
different work (mainly presentation and document [compa|porta]tibility), 
not to be editable nor for printer machines. If PDF wants to become a 
valid successor of PS it will have to pass the usual ~10 years to proof 
its validity in the real world >:-)

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Re: Display glitches after upgrading to newer version of Screen

[Sven Joachim]

On 2012-07-26 19:04 +0200, John Magolske wrote:

> After upgrading from Screen version 4.00.03jw4 to 4.01.00devel I've
> noticed some odd behaviour -- there's this bit of text superimposed
> in the upper left corner of each window:
>
> ;screen
> ;ELinks
>
> and so on, depending on the application running in a given pseudo-tty.
> Also, portions of the top title bar in mutt will disappear, being
> overwritten "blank". Selecting it in copy/scrollback mode will then
> highlight the disappeared title bar and bring it back. And the ncurses
> display of ELinks is messed up as well. Etc.
>
> A message to screen-users about this went unanswered, so I thought
> I'd check here. Has anyone else seen such behaviour? Any thoughts as
> to why this might be happening? This is in a framebuffer console on
> up-to-date Debian Sid.

What's your TERM variable inside screen, and do you have ncurses-term
installed?

Cheers,
   Sven


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Re: systemd

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Thu, 2012-07-26 at 14:43 +0100, Roger Leigh wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 07:22:50AM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > 
> > > Believing what I read at Arch-general mailing list, configuring systemd
> > > will be in some kind of irrational secret language.
> > 
> > An example:
> > [Unit]
> > Description=[u] Static Interface [%I]
> > StopWhenUnneeded=true
> > Wants=network.target
> > Before=network.target
> > BindTo=sys-subsystem-net-devices-%i.device
> > After=sys-subsystem-net-devices-%i.device
> > After=basic.target
> 
> So this is a standard INI-style configuration format.  It's used
> by a lot of software since it's clear and simple.
> 
> > I see that %I is supposed to stand for eth0; how do I connect this
> > with eth0?
> 
> Don't know about this specific case, but presumably it's a generic
> template which can be resused for multiple network interfaces.
> 
> systemd has lots of legitimate criticisms, but its configuration
> file format is not one of them.  A straightforward declarative
> format is vastly more robust and maintainable than a motley
> collection of imperative shell scripts.  There's simply no
> argument on that point.  If we could use the same (or a subset)
> of the format in sysvinit, I'd certainly look at that.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Roger

Hi Roger :)

on Arch-General there's a discussion on a state that I can't say if some
people are serious or ironically [1].
However, some misunderstandings are clarified :). E.g. we don't need to
use "Before" and "After", we just need to use one of them.

Regards,
Ralf

[1] This is just one thread about systemd, there are several threads.
Btw. no flame war, we're sometimes unkind, but nothing more.
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Subject: Re: [arch-general] Systemd : Analysis of reactions of Users
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 11:13:42 -0500

On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 11:07 AM, M. wrote:

>  On 26/07/12 16:35, N. wrote:
>
>> The 26/07/12, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 2012-07-26 at 11:57 +0200, D. wrote:
>>>
>>> By the way ...

>>> ... is there the need to improve something that already works
>>>
>> As I've already said, it does NOT work. Systems based on init scripts
>> are BROKEN because some of them scripts won't give you any chance to
>> catch all the failures.
>>
>> Instead of fixing such problems we need something new that's broken
too?
>

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Re: systemd

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Thu, 2012-07-26 at 17:11 +0100, Roger Leigh wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 06:30:23AM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> nouveau

I understand your standpoint, however, I'll produce music with Linux and
the graphics driver became a serious drawback.


> > I'm sceptical, but to be fair, I never tested systemd myself.
> 
> Criticism is better placed when it is informed criticism.  I would
> highly recommend giving it a try.  While I disagree with a number
> of systemd decisions, many of the core concepts are solid, and this
> type of init system is definitely the future.  Even if we don't
> default to systemd, reusing its concepts will be highly beneficial.

I already shut up on that other list and read to learn.

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Re: logrotate: file size changed while zipping

[Camaleón]

On Thu, 26 Jul 2012 18:45:12 +0200, Slavko wrote:

> Dňa Thu, 26 Jul 2012 15:21:34 + (UTC) Camaleón 
> napísal:

(...)

>> > /etc/cron.daily/logrotate:
>> > gzip: stdin: file size changed while zipping
>> 
>> The error seems coming from "zip.c" library. Have you installed the
>> stock version?
> 
> I am not sure, are you mean the gzip package? 

Yup.

> My gzip is from official repo:
> 
> LANG=C aptpo gzip
> gzip:
>   Installed: 1.5-1.1

(...)

Okay.

>> Also, have you edited any of the logrotate routines at
>> "/etc/logrotate.d/ *" or have you added a self-made one?
> 
> Yes, i have modified (one) and my own (two) routines there, but i have
> them a long time before this message appears. They are untouched a long
> time too. I check this now, and they last changes are some months ago
> (both modified & custom) - march and older. The newest one is
> /etc/logrotate.d/tor from 2012-07-06.

I never got that message, that's why I asked. Anyway, I wonder how common 
can be the above warning :-?
 
>> If the warning can be reproduced consistently (every day) and you have
>> the official packages with no other editions/configurations made by
>> you, I would consider in filing a bug report.
> 
> Yes, they are daily here. Filling bugreport is no problem for me, but
> first i want (need) to identify the source of this message, as you
> properly pointed, they can come from my own or customized routines
> (probably not, because they was a long time untouched).
> 
> Can i check this by finding the ungzipped old log files? 

Yes. There has to be at least one file under "/var/log/" (and sub-dirs) 
that has not been compressed (if all the logs are placed here, of course).

> Or is there way to disable particular logrotate routine? 

Well, I suppose you can comment out ("#") the whole code block for the 
desired file under "/etc/logrotate.d/*" or simply adding "nocompress" 
option instead to find out the culprit.

> Or some another way? I don't know...

If there are no more clues about the warning at the syslog, hard to 
tell :-?

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Re: logrotate: file size changed while zipping

[Slavko]

Hi,

Dňa Thu, 26 Jul 2012 17:53:36 + (UTC) Camaleón 
napísal:

> >> Also, have you edited any of the logrotate routines at
> >> "/etc/logrotate.d/ *" or have you added a self-made one?
> > 
> > Yes, i have modified (one) and my own (two) routines there, but i have
> > them a long time before this message appears. They are untouched a long
> > time too. I check this now, and they last changes are some months ago
> > (both modified & custom) - march and older. The newest one is
> > /etc/logrotate.d/tor from 2012-07-06.
> 
> I never got that message, that's why I asked. Anyway, I wonder how
> common can be the above warning :-?

i understand why you ask.

> > Can i check this by finding the ungzipped old log files? 
> 
> Yes. There has to be at least one file under "/var/log/" (and sub-dirs) 
> that has not been compressed (if all the logs are placed here, of
> course).

OK, i have ungziped files from three routines, i will check them one by
one daily - i am patient, to identify the one which causes the problem :-)

I have ungziped some other files too, but they are empty, and i think,
that empty files are not rotated.

I will report the result after checking these three (or all, if will be
needed) files - if i do not forget to do the modification, then after
three (or after 16 days).

> > Or is there way to disable particular logrotate routine? 
> 
> Well, I suppose you can comment out ("#") the whole code block for the 
> desired file under "/etc/logrotate.d/*" or simply adding "nocompress" 
> option instead to find out the culprit.

yes, the "nocompress" is for me, thanks

> > Or some another way? I don't know...
> 
> If there are no more clues about the warning at the syslog, hard to 
> tell :-?

i find nothing useful there.

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Re: Display glitches after upgrading to newer version of Screen

[John Magolske]

* Sven Joachim  [120726 12:15]:
> On 2012-07-26 19:04 +0200, John Magolske wrote:
> 
> > After upgrading from Screen version 4.00.03jw4 to 4.01.00devel I've
> > noticed some odd behaviour -- there's this bit of text superimposed
> > in the upper left corner of each window:
> >
> > ;screen
> > ;ELinks
> >
> > and so on, depending on the application running in a given pseudo-tty.
> > Also, portions of the top title bar in mutt will disappear, being
> > overwritten "blank". Selecting it in copy/scrollback mode will then
> > highlight the disappeared title bar and bring it back. And the ncurses
> > display of ELinks is messed up as well. Etc.
> 
> What's your TERM variable inside screen, and do you have ncurses-term
> installed?

>From inside screen:

  % echo $TERM
  screen.linux
  % apt-show-versions ncurses-term
  ncurses-term/sid uptodate 5.9-10 

Regards,

John


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Re: Display glitches after upgrading to newer version of Screen

[Sven Joachim]

On 2012-07-26 21:41 +0200, John Magolske wrote:

> * Sven Joachim  [120726 12:15]:
>> On 2012-07-26 19:04 +0200, John Magolske wrote:
>> 
>> > After upgrading from Screen version 4.00.03jw4 to 4.01.00devel I've
>> > noticed some odd behaviour -- there's this bit of text superimposed
>> > in the upper left corner of each window:
>> >
>> > ;screen
>> > ;ELinks
>> >
>> > and so on, depending on the application running in a given pseudo-tty.
>> > Also, portions of the top title bar in mutt will disappear, being
>> > overwritten "blank". Selecting it in copy/scrollback mode will then
>> > highlight the disappeared title bar and bring it back. And the ncurses
>> > display of ELinks is messed up as well. Etc.
>> 
>> What's your TERM variable inside screen, and do you have ncurses-term
>> installed?
>
>>From inside screen:
>
>   % echo $TERM
>   screen.linux
>   % apt-show-versions ncurses-term
>   ncurses-term/sid uptodate 5.9-10 

That should be fine, I don't know what the problem is then.
Works For Me™.

Cheers,
   Sven


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Synaptic problem

[ricccardo]

Hi, I recently updated from squeeze to wheezy and I notice some problem
with synaptic. In particular:

ric@ricmbp:~$ sudo synaptic
synaptic: error while loading shared libraries: libapt-pkg.so.4.10:
cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

Do you have any suggestion to solve it??

Best
R


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Re: Purge Empathy messes up apt

[cortman]

Unfortunately this does not appear to have solved it after all- after
running both apt-get install on the packages empathy wanted to remove
(gnome, gnome-core, gnome-desktop-environment, task-gnome-desktop) and
apt-mark manual, attempting to purge empathy tries to remove these
same packages again.
I marked Empathy itself as manually installed; that didn't work either.
Thanks,


Regards,
Cortman


On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 2:33 PM, Claudius Hubig  wrote:
> Hello cortman,
>
> cortman  wrote:
>> So I ran "apt-get purge empathy" from
>> the command line, which uninstalled it just fine- but now when I run
>> apt-get for any other reason it returns a long list of "packages that
>> were automatically installed and are no longer required". Below is a
>> complete list.
>
> 0 15:36 0 claudius@ares: /media/nffs/std $ apt-cache rdepends empathy
> empathy
> Reverse Depends:
>   gnome-core
> [...]
>   gnome-desktop-environment
>
> Hence, probably gnome-core and/or gnome-desktop-enviroment were also
> removed when you removed empathy. These are meta-packages which in
> turn pull in all the other packages.
>
> You will hence have to mark these other packages you want to keep as
> automatically installed. Probably the best way to do this is to
> choose the relevant main packages (for example, "rhythmbox") and do
>
> # apt-get install rhythmbox
>
> which should mark rhythmbox as manually installed (and therefore
> won’t propose the removal of, for example, rhythmbox-data).
>
> Of course, you can also just mark all packages as manually installed.
>
> And no, this is not a bug but a feature :)
>
> Best regards,
>
> Claudius
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Re: Epson Perfection 1240U USB scanner device not found

[Joel Roth]

On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 03:06:02PM +, Camale??n wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 17:31:40 -1000, Joel Roth wrote:
> > How could the sane package install scripts know which users are to be
> > included in the scanner group?
> 
> If I were a bash routine O:-) I would simply look at the "/etc/group" 
> file. 
> 
> Anyway, every user (already created or to be created) is added by default 
> to the scanner group because of the pattern used to set this ("/etc/
> adduser.conf").

Not sure about this.  From my (untouched) /etc/adduser.conf

# Default:
# #EXTRA_GROUPS="dialout cdrom floppy audio src video lp src users"

But this is rather academic, as I haven't created another
user for years! (Although Debian certainly has :)
 
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Re: Synaptic problem

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Thu, 2012-07-26 at 22:32 +0200, ricccardo wrote:
> Hi, I recently updated from squeeze to wheezy and I notice some problem
> with synaptic. In particular:
> 
> ric@ricmbp:~$ sudo synaptic
> synaptic: error while loading shared libraries: libapt-pkg.so.4.10:
> cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
> 
> Do you have any suggestion to solve it??
> 
> Best
> R

OT: You add sudo to a Debian install? Possible mistakes when doing this?
Just a shot in the dark, no knowledge.


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Re: cron.daily error

[Jeff Grossman]

On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 15:06:11 -0600, Bob Proulx wrote:

>Jeff Grossman wrote:
>> I just did a "grep source *" from the /etc/cron.daily directory to
>> figure out what file is causing me the problems.  But, it came back
>> empty.  How would I figure out where that source file is to fix it?
>> The e-mail is my daily cron.daily cron job e-mail that is giving me
>> the error.
>
>If the output was coming from one of the /etc/cron.daily/* scripts
>then the 'run-parts --report' should report the name of it.  This
>leads me to believe that it must be coming from a different crontab.
>There are several possible locations.  All are covered by /etc/cron*
>though so a recursive grep through there would cover all of the
>crontabs.
>
>  grep -r source /etc/cron* /var/spool/cron/crontabs
>
>I would also look for "su" too.
>
>  grep -r su /etc/cron* /var/spool/cron/crontabs
>
>But it could also be in a script that is being called from one of
>those scripts.  In which case you would need to determine which script
>is producing that noise.
>
>I would start by looking at the time of the email.  Then looking in
>/var/log/syslog for a cron task that is running at exactly that same
>time.  There may be some small delays causing the timestamps not to
>line up exactly to the second but usually it is good enough to
>identify a single script.  Line that up with a crontab that runs at
>exactly that time.
>
>If it were from /etc/cron.daily (I don't think it is due to the lack
>of a name reported from run-parts --report) then you could run each
>script individually and look for that error.
>
>The same applies to any task defined in /etc/crontab, /var/spool/cron
>or /etc/cron.d too.  But it is more tedious to do.
>
>The detail that it is calling 'su' makes me think this is a local
>something and not a Debian package.  I don't know of any Debian
>packages that make use of su in a crontab.  That seems unusual since a
>crontab would normally simply declare to be run as the other user.
>There isn't a need for su.  Which leads me to believe that this is a
>local hack.
>
>Bob

Thanks for everybody's help.  I finally figured it out.  It was the
amavisd-new script in the cron.daily directory.  That script called
the amavisd-new-cronjob script in the /usr/sbin directory.  There is
an su line in there.  I changed that script to use bash instead of sh
and now I am not getting the error when I run the script.  I am
assuming I won't receive the e-mail tomorrow when the cron.daily cron
job runs.

Thanks again.

Jeff


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Re: Purge Empathy messes up apt

[Claudius Hubig]

Hello cortman,

cortman  wrote:
> Unfortunately this does not appear to have solved it after all- after
> running both apt-get install on the packages empathy wanted to remove
> (gnome, gnome-core, gnome-desktop-environment, task-gnome-desktop) and
> apt-mark manual, attempting to purge empathy tries to remove these
> same packages again.
> I marked Empathy itself as manually installed; that didn't work either.

You cannot install gnome, gnome-core, gnome-desktop-environment or
task-gnome-desktop without installing empathy. If you want to remove
empathy but keep the other packages normally pulled in by gnome, you
will have to mark _these_ (rhythmbox, libreoffice etc.) as installed
manually.

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Re: Purge Empathy messes up apt

[cortman]

Ok- I must have misunderstood- apparently there's no way to uninstall
empathy without also uninstalling the gnome metapackages, the trick is
to mark all the contents of the packages as manually installed,
therefore you can uninstall the metapackage safely.

Correct?

Regards,
Cortman


On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 4:11 PM, Claudius Hubig  wrote:
> Hello cortman,
>
> cortman  wrote:
>> Unfortunately this does not appear to have solved it after all- after
>> running both apt-get install on the packages empathy wanted to remove
>> (gnome, gnome-core, gnome-desktop-environment, task-gnome-desktop) and
>> apt-mark manual, attempting to purge empathy tries to remove these
>> same packages again.
>> I marked Empathy itself as manually installed; that didn't work either.
>
> You cannot install gnome, gnome-core, gnome-desktop-environment or
> task-gnome-desktop without installing empathy. If you want to remove
> empathy but keep the other packages normally pulled in by gnome, you
> will have to mark _these_ (rhythmbox, libreoffice etc.) as installed
> manually.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Claudius
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Re: Purge Empathy messes up apt

[Claudius Hubig]

Hello cortman,

cortman  wrote:
> Ok- I must have misunderstood- apparently there's no way to uninstall
> empathy without also uninstalling the gnome metapackages, the trick is
> to mark all the contents of the packages as manually installed,
> therefore you can uninstall the metapackage safely.

Dependencies rather than contents, but, yes.

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Re: Printers using free software only

[Brian]

On Thu 26 Jul 2012 at 13:03:32 +0200, Gaël DONVAL wrote:

> Le mercredi 25 juillet 2012 à 21:34 +0100, Brian a écrit :
> > On Wed 25 Jul 2012 at 23:23:14 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > > 
> > > I was trying to point out that a PS printer is also a PDF printer.
> > 
> > Are you using the word 'printer' to refer to the actual physical machine
> > which does the printing or are you using it as a shorthand for 'printer
> > queue' or 'print queue'?
> > 
> I might have totally missed the point: I am by no way a printer* guru,
> but I have yet to see someone do a cat file.ps > /dev/lpr0 (or
> whatever) to print a file.

I'll take the 'whatever'.

   lp -d  -o raw test.ps

goes to the printer (the machine) without any filtering and gives a nice
printout if the machine understands PostScript.

   lp -d  -o raw test.pdf

also does the same but the printout will not please you unless the
machine has a PDF interpreter.

>From this you might conclude a PS printer is not necessarily a PDF
printer.

There are two meanings in common usage attached to the word 'printer'.
Using the second one may lead to a different conclusion,


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Re: Printers using free software only

[Brian]

On Thu 26 Jul 2012 at 17:10:12 +, Camaleón wrote:

> On Thu, 26 Jul 2012 17:27:26 +0100, Roger Leigh wrote:
> 
> > No, while PDF does perhaps allow such things, it's far far better than
> > PostScript.
> 
> (...)
> 
> PostScript is a languge for machines not for human beings. It does not 
> have to be "easy" but "accurate". One only have to read the full 
> specification manual of both to start guessing "why" (hint: one of them 
> has around 200 less pages) :-)
> 
> (note that I don't want my printer to "read" but "interpret" the document 
> I am sending it exactly "as is" and PS complexity is precisely for doing 
> so)

Roger Leigh gave a good explanation of the role played by PDF in the
CUPS printing process on Debian. You snipped most of it, including this:

   > A native PDF workflow is far, far better and vastly more
   > flexible than a native PostScript workflow.

To understand its importance you need a better reference than the one
given to a page on the cups website a few posts back. For example, there
is:

   
http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/openprinting/pdfasstandardprintjobformat

To illustrate the difference between printing in the olden days and now
we'll take someone who has set up a print queue to send a job to a
printer as PostScript. A text file is sent to CUPS, which filters it.

   On Lenny:   text --> texttops  --> pstops > printer

   On Squeeze: text --> texttopdf --> pdftopdf --> pdftops > printer

Note that the printer still gets PostScript (which should make you
happy) and the advantages of the PDF workflow which have been described
occur at the pdftopdf filtering stage.


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Re: AMD FirePro M3900 versus fglrx-driver

[Esteban Monge]

> Hi, folks!
>
> I'm Cesar, from Brazil. I've been using Debian Squeeze on my desktop:
> it has a ATI Technologies Inc M880G [Mobility Radeon HD 4200] so that
> fglrx-driver works perfectly. But, I'm gonna buy a brand new laptop HP
> Elitebook 8460w very soon so that machine has a AMD FirePro™ M3900
> with 1 GB dedicated DDR3 video memory graphic card. The AMD and HP
> sites only provide a driver compliant with the Suse Enterprise distro.
> So my question is:
>
>

Here can download the driver compatible with Ubuntu (generally with
Debian), RedHat and Suse, I don't understand who will buy RHEL o SLES for
play... ¿?

http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/Pages/radeon_linux.aspx

Sorry for my english...


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Re: Synaptic problem

[Mark Allums]

On 7/26/2012 3:32 PM, ricccardo wrote:

Hi, I recently updated from squeeze to wheezy and I notice some problem
with synaptic. In particular:

ric@ricmbp:~$ sudo synaptic
synaptic: error while loading shared libraries: libapt-pkg.so.4.10:
cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

Do you have any suggestion to solve it??


Do

$updatedb
$locate libapt-pkg.so.4.10

and post the output here. Use attachment if long.

My libapt-pkg is at libapt-pkg.so.4.12.0

Do you need to upgrade synaptic? Are you running a mixed system with 
both, say, squeeze and wheezy packages?  With pinned packages?





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Re: Synaptic problem

[Mark Allums]

On 7/26/2012 6:05 PM, Mark Allums wrote:

On 7/26/2012 3:32 PM, ricccardo wrote:

Hi, I recently updated from squeeze to wheezy and I notice some problem
with synaptic. In particular:

ric@ricmbp:~$ sudo synaptic
synaptic: error while loading shared libraries: libapt-pkg.so.4.10:
cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

Do you have any suggestion to solve it??


Do

$updatedb
$locate libapt-pkg.so.4.10

and post the output here. Use attachment if long.

My libapt-pkg is at libapt-pkg.so.4.12.0

Do you need to upgrade synaptic? Are you running a mixed system with
both, say, squeeze and wheezy packages?  With pinned packages?



I meant

$locate libapt-pkg

Using Aptitude or apt tools, what version of libapt-pkg does your system 
think is installed?






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Changing GTK+ theme

[Kevin Ross]

I just updated my Wheezy laptop, and now all of the widgets are the 
ugly, square blocky ones, as well as the toolbars in various programs.  
When I change the GTK+ theme in gnome-tweak-tool, nothing happens.  I've 
seen this happen before if gnome-settings-daemon wasn't running, but it 
is running.  Rebooting does not help.


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Instability in Wheezy system

[Carl Fink]

I report a problem I experienced.

I have a homebrew tower built around the AMD FX-8120 running Wheezy. 16 GB
of RAM, an 80 GB SSD for the OS and a 2 TB spinning disk drive for data.

Today I had a 30 minute Skype call. (2.2 client) After I hung up, I clicked
on a message in my GMail box in Chromium. I started getting the "Stopped
responding, click Kill or Wait" dialog.

Killed Chromium, reloaded, tried again. Same.

Loaded Super Tux Kart. It drew its window but didn't actually load any karts
or tracks, and froze with an empty frame.

Ran htop in a terminal, except it never ran.

Ctrl-Alt-F1 to get a VT. htop as root froze there, too.

In VT2, "ps a" froze.

In VT3, nothing interesting in the logs.

Regular top would run but showed nothing useful.

I ran "reboot". The shutdown process froze at "deactivating BlueTooth."

I had to use the mechanical reset button. Linux boxes should never need
mechanical reset.

Ideas?
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Re: Instability in Wheezy system

[Mark Allums]

On 7/26/2012 9:37 PM, Carl Fink wrote:

I report a problem I experienced.

I have a homebrew tower built around the AMD FX-8120 running Wheezy. 16 GB
of RAM, an 80 GB SSD for the OS and a 2 TB spinning disk drive for data.

Today I had a 30 minute Skype call. (2.2 client) After I hung up, I clicked
on a message in my GMail box in Chromium. I started getting the "Stopped
responding, click Kill or Wait" dialog.

Killed Chromium, reloaded, tried again. Same.

Loaded Super Tux Kart. It drew its window but didn't actually load any karts
or tracks, and froze with an empty frame.

Ran htop in a terminal, except it never ran.

Ctrl-Alt-F1 to get a VT. htop as root froze there, too.

In VT2, "ps a" froze.

In VT3, nothing interesting in the logs.

Regular top would run but showed nothing useful.

I ran "reboot". The shutdown process froze at "deactivating BlueTooth."

I had to use the mechanical reset button. Linux boxes should never need
mechanical reset.

Ideas?



I can say that Chrome and Chromium themselves very unstable on all my 
systems.





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Re: Instability in Wheezy system

[Gary Dale]

On 26/07/12 10:37 PM, Carl Fink wrote:

I report a problem I experienced.

I have a homebrew tower built around the AMD FX-8120 running Wheezy. 16 GB
of RAM, an 80 GB SSD for the OS and a 2 TB spinning disk drive for data.

Today I had a 30 minute Skype call. (2.2 client) After I hung up, I clicked
on a message in my GMail box in Chromium. I started getting the "Stopped
responding, click Kill or Wait" dialog.

Killed Chromium, reloaded, tried again. Same.

Loaded Super Tux Kart. It drew its window but didn't actually load any karts
or tracks, and froze with an empty frame.

Ran htop in a terminal, except it never ran.

Ctrl-Alt-F1 to get a VT. htop as root froze there, too.

In VT2, "ps a" froze.

In VT3, nothing interesting in the logs.

Regular top would run but showed nothing useful.

I ran "reboot". The shutdown process froze at "deactivating BlueTooth."

I had to use the mechanical reset button. Linux boxes should never need
mechanical reset.

Ideas?

Have you run memtest86+?

Another problem could be your motherboard. Have you tried booting from a 
(different distro) live CD to see if the problem occurs on it too?



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Re: Instability in Wheezy system

[Carl Fink]

On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 11:34:22PM -0400, Gary Dale wrote:

> Have you run memtest86+?

No. Would this specific problem (presumably with the process table) be
characteristic of a RAM problem?
 
> Another problem could be your motherboard. Have you tried booting
> from a (different distro) live CD to see if the problem occurs on it
> too?

It's only happened once, total.
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Re: Instability in Wheezy system

[Gary Dale]

On 26/07/12 11:40 PM, Carl Fink wrote:

On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 11:34:22PM -0400, Gary Dale wrote:


Have you run memtest86+?

No. Would this specific problem (presumably with the process table) be
characteristic of a RAM problem?
Could happen. It's always worth checking. I've seen memory issues cause 
all kinds of weird problems. I've also seen a lot of memory problems 
lately. In fact, I'm running tests on new stick I got that doesn't seem 
to play nice with the existing stick in a system.


It was a warranty replacement on another stick that went bad. Both are 
the same model number but this new one seems to need a different BIOS 
setting. The system actually booted and ran fine, but I decided to run 
memtest86+ on it and was shocked to receive tens of thousands of errors.


Conversely, two other systems I look after were constantly acting up 
with just a few memory errors reported by memtest.





Another problem could be your motherboard. Have you tried booting
from a (different distro) live CD to see if the problem occurs on it
too?

It's only happened once, total.

If it's not repeatable, then you can't tell if you've fixed it.


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Re: Where to set swappiness? [SOLVED]

[John Magolske]

Thanks you everyone for the helpful replies!

* John Magolske  [120723 23:22]:
> This command will set swappiness (to 0 in this case):
> 
>   # sysctl vm.swappiness=0
> 
> To have that setting persist across reboots, it is suggested to add
> a line like so to /etc/sysfs.conf :
> 
>   vm.swappiness=0
> 
> Which I did...but that value is not set after reboot:

Per your suggestions, I set vm.swappiness=0 in /etc/sysctl.conf and
that value is indeed reflected after reboot (just now got around to
re-booting this machine).

John

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Re: Display glitches after upgrading to newer version of Screen

[John Magolske]

* Sven Joachim  [120726 16:06]:
> On 2012-07-26 21:41 +0200, John Magolske wrote:
> 
> > * Sven Joachim  [120726 12:15]:
> >> On 2012-07-26 19:04 +0200, John Magolske wrote:
> >> 
> >> > After upgrading from Screen version 4.00.03jw4 to 4.01.00devel I've
> >> > noticed some odd behaviour -- there's this bit of text superimposed
> >> > in the upper left corner of each window:
> >> >
> >> > ;screen
> >> > ;ELinks
> >> >
> >> > and so on, depending on the application running in a given pseudo-tty.
> >> > Also, portions of the top title bar in mutt will disappear, being
> >> > overwritten "blank". Selecting it in copy/scrollback mode will then
> >> > highlight the disappeared title bar and bring it back. And the ncurses
> >> > display of ELinks is messed up as well. Etc.
> >> 
> >> What's your TERM variable inside screen, and do you have ncurses-term
> >> installed?
> >
> >>>From inside screen:
> >
> >   % echo $TERM
> >   screen.linux
> >   % apt-show-versions ncurses-term
> >   ncurses-term/sid uptodate 5.9-10 
> 
> That should be fine, I don't know what the problem is then.
> Works For Me™.

Hmmm...wonder what it could be. Not sure if something in my terminfo
could have anything to do with this, but here it is:

% infocmp -x
#   Reconstructed via infocmp from file: /usr/share/terminfo/s/screen.linux
screen.linux|screen in linux console,
OTbs, OTpt, am, bw, km, mir, msgr, xenl, AX, G0,
colors#8, cols#80, it#8, lines#24, pairs#64, U8#1,
acsc=++\,\,--..00``aaffgghhiijjkkllmmnnooppqqrrssttuuvvwwxxyyzz{{||}}~~,
bel=^G, blink=\E[5m, bold=\E[1m, cbt=\E[Z, civis=\E[?25l,
clear=\E[H\E[J, cnorm=\E[34h\E[?25h, cr=^M,
csr=\E[%i%p1%d;%p2%dr, cub=\E[%p1%dD, cub1=^H,
cud=\E[%p1%dB, cud1=^J, cuf=\E[%p1%dC, cuf1=\E[C,
cup=\E[%i%p1%d;%p2%dH, cuu=\E[%p1%dA, cuu1=\EM,
cvvis=\E[34l, dch=\E[%p1%dP, dch1=\E[P, dl=\E[%p1%dM,
dl1=\E[M, ed=\E[J, el=\E[K, el1=\E[1K, enacs=\E(B\E)0,
flash=\Eg, home=\E[H, ht=^I, hts=\EH, ich=\E[%p1%d@,
il=\E[%p1%dL, il1=\E[L, ind=^J, is2=\E)0, kbs=\177, kcbt@,
kcub1=\EOD, kcud1=\EOB, kcuf1=\EOC, kcuu1=\EOA,
kdch1=\E[3~, kend=\E[4~, kf1=\EOP, kf10=\E[21~,
kf11=\E[23~, kf12=\E[24~, kf2=\EOQ, kf3=\EOR, kf4=\EOS,
kf5=\E[15~, kf6=\E[17~, kf7=\E[18~, kf8=\E[19~, kf9=\E[20~,
khome=\E[1~, kich1=\E[2~, kmous=\E[M, knp=\E[6~, kpp=\E[5~,
nel=\EE, op=\E[39;49m, rc=\E8, rev=\E[7m, ri=\EM, rmacs=^O,
rmcup=\E[?1049l, rmir=\E[4l, rmkx=\E[?1l\E>, rmso=\E[23m,
rmul=\E[24m, rs2=\Ec\E[?1000l\E[?25h, sc=\E7,
setab=\E[4%p1%dm, setaf=\E[3%p1%dm,

sgr=\E[0%?%p6%t;1%;%?%p1%t;3%;%?%p2%t;4%;%?%p3%t;7%;%?%p4%t;5%;m%?%p9%t\016%e\017%;,
sgr0=\E[m\017, smacs=^N, smcup=\E[?1049h, smir=\E[4h,
smkx=\E[?1h\E=, smso=\E[3m, smul=\E[4m, tbc=\E[3g, E0=\E(B,
S0=\E(%p1%c,


Regards,

John


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Re: Where to set swappiness? [SOLVED]

[Stan Hoeppner]

On 7/27/2012 1:23 AM, John Magolske wrote:
> Thanks you everyone for the helpful replies!
> 
> * John Magolske  [120723 23:22]:
>> This command will set swappiness (to 0 in this case):
>>
>>   # sysctl vm.swappiness=0
>>
>> To have that setting persist across reboots, it is suggested to add
>> a line like so to /etc/sysfs.conf :
>>
>>   vm.swappiness=0
>>
>> Which I did...but that value is not set after reboot:
> 
> Per your suggestions, I set vm.swappiness=0 in /etc/sysctl.conf and
> that value is indeed reflected after reboot (just now got around to
> re-booting this machine).
> 
> John


I gave you the answer 3 days ago, only 49 minutes after your post...

On 7/24/2012 2:04 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:> On 7/24/2012 1:15 AM, John
Magolske wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> This command will set swappiness (to 0 in this case):
>>
>>   # sysctl vm.swappiness=0
>>
>> To have that setting persist across reboots, it is suggested to add
>> a line like so to /etc/sysfs.conf :
>
> Close, it's:
>
>  /etc/sysctl.conf

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Re: SD slot read card failed.

[Sthu Deus]

Good time of the day, Lisi.


You wrote:

> > Is it clear(er) now?! :o)
> 
> Thanks!!  Totally clear. :-)   Sorry for being slow on the uptake.

No problem. :o)


Sthu.


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