Re: Can "PulseAudio Volume Control" devs be redeemed?

[Erik Christiansen]

On 22.07.17 13:47, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
> Erik Christiansen writes:
> > Aha, if the "PulseAudio Volume Control" window is manually widened, the
> > suppressed tabs become visible. Is it then the Debian 9.0.0 distro-smiths
> > who have set too small a window size in their LXDE menu item invocation?
> 
> It seems to remember what size it was last started with. So if a user
> decides to make it small and hide stuff, it will remember the user's
> wishes.
> 
> Now, the problem is that users don't know what they want, act
> irrational, will never remember what they did earlier (how often does
> one hear "I did nothing, but everything broke"?) and blame everything on
> the software developer. Not to forget some even come up with conspiracy
> theories how Microsoft paid people to make the application window
> smaller ;-)

Firstly, if the window had ever been larger, the 5 tabs would have
shown at least once. They did not at any stage. The word "Configure"
would have been a beacon as I struggled to find configure options.

Secondly, this user did not know that a desktop menu item could be
resized. Until the possibility was raised on list, I considered them
inviolate.

Thirdly, I've had Debian 9.0.0 installed for 2 -3 days now, and with a
monitor nearly a yard wide, I have in that time only enlarged a couple
of uxterms, and set "huge" text size, to better enjoy the wireless
keyboard at range. There has not been any cause for contemplating making
any window smaller.

What we need to do is examine whether the Debian 9.0.0 distro-smith last
had it shrunken, and it is therefore in that condition in the distro.
If we knew what config file contains the menu gumpf, that could perhaps
be revealed, and minimise the need for speculation and supposition.

Erik

Re: Re: Debian 8 solicitando ctrl D e systemctl default após desligamento inadequado.

[Alberto Fraga]

J.S.Junior, bom dia!
Exatamente o que aconteceu comigo. Ativei o cdrom para "auto" no fstab e
ocorreu o erro como descrito por você. Retornei a configuração "noauto" do
/dev/sr0 e o sistema voltou a funcionar.
Obrigado a você e a lista pela dica.

-- 
*A*lberto *A*lves *F*raga [fraga*aaf*@gmail.com]

Re: Permisos a usuari per disc dur intern que només te permisos root

[Ernest Adrogué]

2017-07-22, 11:52 (+0200); Joan escriu:
> 
> 
> El Fri, 21 Jul 2017 15:51:16 +0200
> Ernest Adrogué  va escriure:
> 
> > 2017-07-21, 15:22 (+0200); Jordi Boixader escriu:
> > > Hola,
> > > 
> > > Al instal·lar la debian 9, vaig crear 3 particions la "/", "/home"
> > > i swap. També tinc un altre HD intern al que vaig anomenat "/Dades".
> > > 
> > > El "/Dades" em surt a l'arrel, que ja m'està bé, abans el tenia a
> > > "/mnt/Dades", però quan intento copiar algun arxiu em diu que només
> > > hi ha permisos per a root.
> > > 
> > > Amb el tema dels permisos no m'hi aclareixo, he estat buscant per
> > > Google, però em surten moltes opcions diferents i no se pas quina
> > > triar per fer-ho.
> > > 
> > > Com ho he de fer per tenir accés total a aquesta partició amb el
> > > meu usuari jordi?  
> > 
> > Amb la partició muntada, canvies el propietari i permisos del punt de
> > muntatge, per exemple:
> > 
> > chown jordi.jordi /Dades
> 
> Ernest, no seria:
> 
> chown jordi:jordi /Dades
> 
> Amb dos punts?

Tens raó, la versió amb un punt és obsoleta però s'accepta per raons de
compatibilitat.

Re: Free software

[Joe]

On Sat, 22 Jul 2017 07:25:27 -0400
rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Friday, July 21, 2017 11:49:04 PM Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Not hardly, the vesa standard, and the cards that support it cannot
> > do more that 15 frames a second, at nowhere near the resolution we
> > need, which these days is 1920P @ 60 fps. You can buy $90 monitors
> > at wallies that can do that today.  I just did 90 days ago.  
> 
> Why do you need 1920P @ 60 fps?  I thought you were referring to the
> needs of your machine shop, but, clearly, the next paragraph
> contradicts that...

That's 1080P. 1920 is the horizontal resolution, the standard is named
for the vertical resolution. A monitor has a lot less work to do than
the rendering software which is producing the picture, and the video
card it runs on.

> 
> > Define accelerated Ric. That 1920P @ 60 fps is nominally twice as
> > fast as the human eye can discern. I can be quite happy at 30fps,
> > interlaced, 

But that's the point of interlace, to refresh at twice the full picture
rate, with alternate sets of lines. 60Hz is around the minimum
necessary for flicker-free viewing, 50Hz is nearly good enough, and
30Hz interlaced gives you two half-pictures at 60Hz.

Interlace causes jitter on stationary pictures, but is best for showing
smooth movement for a given bandwidth, so computer systems generally
produce non-interlaced pictures, and broadcast TV is interlaced. A
computer system producing moving video should be working interlaced for
cleanest motion, but generally isn't because the static parts of the
screen display would show jitter.

Many modern TV receivers will interpolate the interlaced signal to give
'complete' pictures refreshing at 60Hz, and some even
standards-convert to higher refresh rates, though at the cost of some
motion artefacts.

-- 
Joe

Re: Setup Grub-Legacy on Jessie

[Felix Miata]

Pascal Hambourg composed on 2017-07-22 11:03 (UTC+0200):

> Felix Miata composed:

>> To be clear, in MBR systems I only ever install DOS or OS/2 on a primary
>> partition. All other OS go on logicals. Except for one ancient PC that has 
>> only
>> WinXP on it (which I did not install), at least one primary is always EXT2 
>> with
>> Grub Legacy and little else, unless the disk is a pure data-only disk, in 
>> which
>> case its MBR sector is empty but for the partition table.

> If this disk is bootable by BIOS, then its MBR must contain a boot 
> program, at least the DOS/Windows standard MBR program or compatible 
> (such as the ones installed by install-mbr or lilo -M).

By definition, a data-only disk is not bootable. On my data-only disks I use a
sector editor if necessary to fill the first 446 bytes of its first sector with
nulls.
-- 
"The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant
words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

Felix Miata  ***  http://fm.no-ip.com/

Re: cups

[Pol Hallen]

Hello and thanks to all :)


Impossible to say in your situation without knowing the printer make
it's a lexmark e460dn: I tried also ppd from lexmark website and many 
from foomatic, etc
I tried the ppd from a debian stable installation (where there printers 
runs) but same problem



Please post the outputs of 'lpstat -t' and 'lpoptions -p  on
the client. ( is the printer the PDF is sent to).


device for E460DN: ipp://192.168.1.100/printers/E460DN
E460DN accepting requests since Sat 22 Jul 2017 02:50:39 PM CEST
printer E460DN now printing E460DN-2253.  enabled since Sat 22 Jul 2017 
02:50:39 PM CEST
E460DN-2253 max 282624   Sat 22 Jul 2017 
02:50:39 PM CEST



 From client I print (ie: a 300Kb of pdf), in log cups server I see that file
size about 4/5Mb (why?),


Impossible to say because we do not know how you printed on the client.
The 4/5MB was obtained from http://localhost:631/jobs?which_jobs=all on
the server?


file size of pdf is 789K: printing from debian testing, on server jobs I 
see 13Mb


same file using debian stable, on server jobs I see 1043K and works


What happens when the PDF is printed from the server with lp?


same situation

thanks for help

Pol

Re: Permisos a usuari per disc dur intern que només te permisos root

[Joan]

El Fri, 21 Jul 2017 15:51:16 +0200
Ernest Adrogué  va escriure:

> 2017-07-21, 15:22 (+0200); Jordi Boixader escriu:
> > Hola,
> > 
> > Al instal·lar la debian 9, vaig crear 3 particions la "/", "/home"
> > i swap. També tinc un altre HD intern al que vaig anomenat "/Dades".
> > 
> > El "/Dades" em surt a l'arrel, que ja m'està bé, abans el tenia a
> > "/mnt/Dades", però quan intento copiar algun arxiu em diu que només
> > hi ha permisos per a root.
> > 
> > Amb el tema dels permisos no m'hi aclareixo, he estat buscant per
> > Google, però em surten moltes opcions diferents i no se pas quina
> > triar per fer-ho.
> > 
> > Com ho he de fer per tenir accés total a aquesta partició amb el
> > meu usuari jordi?  
> 
> Amb la partició muntada, canvies el propietari i permisos del punt de
> muntatge, per exemple:
> 
> chown jordi.jordi /Dades

Ernest, no seria:

chown jordi:jordi /Dades

Amb dos punts?


> chmod u=rwx,g=rx,o=rx /Dades
> 



-- 
Joan Cervan i Andreu
http://personal.calbasi.net

"El meu paper no és transformar el món ni l'home sinó, potser, el de
ser útil, des del meu lloc, als pocs valors sense els quals un món no
val la pena viure'l" A. Camus

i pels que teniu fe:
"Déu no és la Veritat, la Veritat és Déu"
Gandhi

Re: Les cyber menaces basculent vers Linux et les serveurs Web

[Alain Rpnpif]

Le 21 juillet 2017, Pierre L. a écrit :

> Mais je pense qu'il faut quand même ajouter que pour les postes sous
> Windows (et autres en fait !), la "survie" de l'OS dépend grandement de
> l'utilisation de la machine ! ou plutôt de son utilisateur...
> Nous avons tous eu la tata ou le cousin qui installe n'importe quelle
> drouille trouvée sur le net, et paff pollution du navigateur, de la
> machine, etc...
> Oui, une machine requiert une certaine hygiène d'utilisation de la part
> de son propriétaire... Pour moi le problème majeur restera toujours le
> gugusse sur les clavier/souris !
> 
> On avait un prof en info à l'époque qui nous expliquait que la pire
> menace lors de l'administration de son réseau venait principalement de
> "l'intérieur"... je pense aujourd'hui qu'il avait bel et bien raison !
> Des utilisateurs bien avertis et éduqués limiteront grandement la
> propagation de saletés...

Bien sûr mais Windows pousse aussi au crime avec la facilité
d'installation des programmes exotiques, ce qui est plus difficile sous
Linux et sous Debian en particulier car l'installation d'un programme
est plus compliquée (en partie à dessein) pour un débutant. Le système
des dépôts Debian est aussi un atout en faveur de Linux... recopié par
Google pour son Android mais de façon plus libérale au sens picsou, euh,
économique du terme.

Viva La Debianade !

-- 
Alain Rpnpif

Re: Can "PulseAudio Volume Control" devs be redeemed?

[Curt]

On 2017-07-22, Ric Moore  wrote:
> On 07/22/2017 12:51 AM, Erik Christiansen wrote:
>
>> There is no rational explanation for failing to make all 5 tabs visible.
>
> No idea what your problem is, I have always been able to see the tabs. Ric
>

Me neither. I've got all five. Ordinary display size here. 

I've read that the HDMI output on the Udoo depends on the S/PDIF control and
installing pulseaudio mutes it. Maybe that has something to do with "The
Mysterious Case of the Hidden Tabs." 


-- 
“We’ll sit around talking about the good old days, when we wished that we were 
dead.”
--Samuel Beckett, speculating on the nature of the afterlife.

Re: gtx1060 debian9.0.1 black screen

[Floris]

Op Fri, 21 Jul 2017 22:26:01 +0200 schreef :


Hello Debian great OS!

I have gtx1060 and monitor resolution 1920x1200

Debian 9.0.1 live cd.

I get black screen "Resolution not support"

I think it's not good.



You are probably using the open source nouveau Nvidia driver, which  
doesn't support this newer card. Try to use the closed sourced  
nvidia-driver from the non-free repo.


Floris

Re: Setup Grub-Legacy on Jessie

[Pascal Hambourg]

Le 21/07/2017 à 04:11, Felix Miata a écrit :

Pascal Hambourg composed on 2017-07-20 23:40 (UTC+0200):


Felix Miata composed:



Grub Legacy requires no scripts or filesystem mounting to
setup, and its menu.lst is magnitudes easier than Grub2's grub.cfg to manually
maintain.



This is your opinion.


Grub2 setup can be run without mounting the target filesystem?


If by "target filesystem" you mean the filesystem containing the boot 
directory (/boot by default or specified by the --boot-directory option) 
then no. But I fail to see how this ability would be an advantage. I 
trust the OS filesystem driver more than GRUB installer when it comes to 
writing files to a filesystem.



(boot anything that has Grub Legacy available in the path)
# grub
grub> find /boot/grub/stage1 # verify current state is as expected
grub> root (hd0,6)   # specify installation source
grub> setup (hd0,2)  # make a primary bootable
(ready to boot third primary partition on first HD)

Do similarly simple Grub2 instructions exist?


GRUB 2 just has a single grub-install command.


I beg to differ. Once you are used to it, manually
maintaining grub.cfg is rather easy.


In your opinion. I find smaller files using volume labels easier to maintain
than larger ones with humanly immemorable UUIDs.


You can just use all that (labels and small files) with GRUB 2 too.


Because the upstream GRUB legacy does not support ext4,


Since when has there been any upstream Grub Legacy?


Since the beginning.


Upstream restarted from
scratch, a whole new set of requirements and bugs to go along with incompatible
menu and setup, a very different bootloader deserving of a very different name.


So what ? We all know they are very different.


not even
mentioning newer filesystems such as btrfs, or features such as LVM,
RAID (no, GRUB legacy has no full software RAID support).


Some people are satisfied to keep what works working


Until it doesn't work any more because something else changed and is not 
supported any more by the old GRUB legacy.

(deb-cat) Auto-marcatge de blocs dolents al disc

[Narcis Garcia]

Hola,

Hi ha alguna documentació on s'expliqui en quines circumstàncies Linux
reubica i/o marca blocs d'una partició trobats com a defectuosos?

Ja sé que amb "fsck -kcy /dev/sdX" puc encarregar una revisió i marcatge
però, com que és incompatible amb una partició muntada, vull saber si,
en cas que el sistema operatiu tingui problemes per llegir o escriure en
un bloc de disc, si aquest bloc és tractat automàticament com a dolent
al sistema de fitxers.

Gràcies.

Re: Setup Grub-Legacy on Jessie

[Pascal Hambourg]

Le 21/07/2017 à 08:34, Felix Miata a écrit :


To be clear, in MBR systems I only ever install DOS or OS/2 on a primary
partition. All other OS go on logicals. Except for one ancient PC that has only
WinXP on it (which I did not install), at least one primary is always EXT2 with
Grub Legacy and little else, unless the disk is a pure data-only disk, in which
case its MBR sector is empty but for the partition table.


If this disk is bootable by BIOS, then its MBR must contain a boot 
program, at least the DOS/Windows standard MBR program or compatible 
(such as the ones installed by install-mbr or lilo -M).

Re: Permisos a usuari per disc dur intern que només te permisos root

[Joan]

El Fri, 21 Jul 2017 20:06:15 +0200
Narcis Garcia  va escriure:

> Per polir-ho millor, i per si de cas la carpeta la compartiu entre
> vàris usuaris autoritzats, jo faria això en un terminal normal:
> 
> sudo usermod --append --groups users jordi
> sudo chown -R jordi:users /Dades
> sudo chmod -R o= /Dades

Aquesta ordre què fa?

> sudo chmod -R ug+rwX /Dades

I en aquesta perquè la X està en majúscules?

> sudo chmod -R g+s /Dades

I el "+s" per a què serveix?

(quines birgueries que useu!).

Joan Cervan

> 
> Amb tot això t'hauria d'anar finíssim, i els usuaris que vulguis
> autoritzar només cal que els afegeixis al grup «users» com a la
> primera instrucció.
> 
> __
> I'm using this express-made address because personal addresses aren't
> masked enough at this mail public archive. Public archive
> administrator should fix this against automated addresses collectors.
> El 21/07/17 a les 16:29, Jordi Boixader ha escrit:
> > Moltes gràcies als 2, així ho he fet com diu l'Ernest i ja ha
> > funcionat. Espero que al reiniciar ja quedi per defecte.
> > 
> > Salut!
> > 
> > El dia 21 de juliol de 2017 a les 15:51, Ernest Adrogué
> > > ha escrit:
> > 
> > 2017-07-21, 15:22 (+0200); Jordi Boixader escriu:  
> > > Hola,
> > >
> > > Al instal·lar la debian 9, vaig crear 3 particions la "/",
> > > "/home" i swap. També tinc un altre HD intern al que vaig
> > > anomenat "/Dades".
> > >
> > > El "/Dades" em surt a l'arrel, que ja m'està bé, abans el
> > > tenia a "/mnt/Dades", però quan intento copiar algun arxiu em
> > > diu que només hi ha permisos per a root.
> > >
> > > Amb el tema dels permisos no m'hi aclareixo, he estat buscant
> > > per Google, però em surten moltes opcions diferents i no se
> > > pas quina triar per fer-ho.
> > >
> > > Com ho he de fer per tenir accés total a aquesta partició amb
> > > el meu usuari jordi?  
> > 
> > Amb la partició muntada, canvies el propietari i permisos del
> > punt de muntatge, per exemple:
> > 
> > chown jordi.jordi /Dades
> > chmod u=rwx,g=rx,o=rx /Dades
> > 
> >   
> 



-- 
Joan Cervan i Andreu
http://personal.calbasi.net

"El meu paper no és transformar el món ni l'home sinó, potser, el de
ser útil, des del meu lloc, als pocs valors sense els quals un món no
val la pena viure'l" A. Camus

i pels que teniu fe:
"Déu no és la Veritat, la Veritat és Déu"
Gandhi

Re: Disappearance of the kernel

[Floris]

Op Fri, 21 Jul 2017 20:47:00 +0200 schreef Cyril Brulebois  
:



Hi,

agustín torrijos orenes  (2017-07-21):

Good afternoon! My name is Agus, and above all I would like to thank you
for the extraordinary work that all the members of this wonderful  
project,

including the community, perform.

I have a problem with the Testing version that happened to explain:

I installed version 9.0 "Stretch" looking with the repositories to  
testing,

I am almost sure that updated to version 10.0 "Buster".

I performed a cleanup of the system with the instructions "autoclean,
clean, revome, autoremove", and it seems that I uninstalled all the  
kernel.


This shouldn't happen since kernels are blacklisted for such operations?


When I rebooted I could not enter the Grub anymore, I just got some
instructions that asked for my password, but when I entered it nothing
happened.


This password you entered is for what? Your BIOS? The rescue mode? Grub?
And what did you expected to happen after you typed this password?

Is it possible to give some more information?

Floris

Publipostage avec QR Code.

[Olivier]

Bonjour,

Je souhaite imprimer par publipostage une série d'étiquettes d'inventaire
incluant un QR Code.
J'utilise un PC sous Jessie, pour l'instant.

Je connais glabels qui permet de faire un publipostage avec code barre au
format Code 39 ou 128 mais je n'ai pas réussi à le faire au format QR Code.

Pourtant en lisant [1], les auteurs indiquent que le support des QR Codes
est possible depuis la version 3.0.X de glabels via zint ou qrencode.
Comme j'observe tant sur Jessie que sur Stretch, glabels dépend de
libqrencode3, j'en déduis qu'il n'est pas impossible que glabels sache
imprimer des QR codes.


Mes questions:

1. Avez-vous réussi à imprimer un QR Code avec glabels (sans importer
d'image PNG) ? Si oui, quelle est votre secret ?

2. Avez-vous une autre recommandation ?

Slts

[1] https://sourceforge.net/p/glabels/feature-requests/85/

Re: Publipostage avec QR Code.

[Vincent Bain]

Bonjour

oui chez moi cela fonctionne, je suis (plus pour longtemps) sous Jessie.
Je note que le code généré par glabels-3 (version 3.0.1) n'est pas
identique à celui généré à la console avec qrencode, mais à la lecture
avec zbarimg, le contenu est déchiffré correctement.

$ qrencode --version
qrencode version 3.4.3
Copyright (C) 2006-2012 Kentaro Fukuchi

$ zbarimg --version
0.10

Bonne journée,
Vincent


Le samedi 22 juillet 2017 à 10:20 +0200, Olivier a écrit :
> Bonjour,
> 
> 
> Je souhaite imprimer par publipostage une série d'étiquettes
> d'inventaire incluant un QR Code.
> 
> J'utilise un PC sous Jessie, pour l'instant.
> 
> 
> 
> Je connais glabels qui permet de faire un publipostage avec code barre
> au format Code 39 ou 128 mais je n'ai pas réussi à le faire au format
> QR Code.
> 
> 
> Pourtant en lisant [1], les auteurs indiquent que le support des QR
> Codes est possible depuis la version 3.0.X de glabels via zint ou
> qrencode.
> 
> Comme j'observe tant sur Jessie que sur Stretch, glabels dépend de
> libqrencode3, j'en déduis qu'il n'est pas impossible que glabels sache
> imprimer des QR codes.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Mes questions:
> 
> 
> 1. Avez-vous réussi à imprimer un QR Code avec glabels (sans importer
> d'image PNG) ? Si oui, quelle est votre secret ?
> 
> 2. Avez-vous une autre recommandation ?
> 
> Slts
> 
> 
> [1] https://sourceforge.net/p/glabels/feature-requests/85/
> 

Re: Upgrade jessie et 604 paquets non mis à jour

[Alain Rpnpif]

Le 21 juillet 2017, andre_deb...@numericable.fr a écrit :

> Le noyau 4.9 est-il bien supporté globalement ?
> (ou faut-il garder le 3.16 ?)

Globalement oui.
Avec mes cartes MSI 64 bits récente et AMD, j'ai quelques messages
d'erreurs mineures qui ne posent pas de problèmes visibles.
Avec ma carte Intel 386, aucun souci mais une bien meilleure réactivité.

Ce sont des problèmes avec ACPI et un problème avec de vieilles cartes
PCI ajoutées.

Mais je répète, c'est mineur car aucune conséquence remarquée sur
l'utilisation quotidienne.

L'avantage du noyau 4.7 et plus, donc 4.9, est une meilleure vitesse de
fonctionnement et une meilleure réactivité, à mon avis.

Bien sûr c'est à vérifier sur ton matériel.

J'ai seulement un petit doute à propos de la consommation d'énergie sur
un portable mais je suspecte fortement Firefox comme étant le seul
responsable.

Librement.
-- 
Alain Rpnpif

Re: Setup Grub-Legacy on Jessie

[Pascal Hambourg]

Le 22/07/2017 à 14:52, Felix Miata a écrit :

Pascal Hambourg composed on 2017-07-22 11:03 (UTC+0200):


Felix Miata composed:



at least one primary is always EXT2 with
Grub Legacy and little else, unless the disk is a pure data-only disk, in which
case its MBR sector is empty but for the partition table.



If this disk is bootable by BIOS, then its MBR must contain a boot
program, at least the DOS/Windows standard MBR program or compatible
(such as the ones installed by install-mbr or lilo -M).


By definition, a data-only disk is not bootable.


Yes, I missed the "unless the disk is a pure data-only disk" part.
Sorry for the noise.


On my data-only disks I use a
sector editor if necessary to fill the first 446 bytes of its first sector with
nulls.


A "modern" MBR contains an optional 32-bit disk signature at offset 440. 
Fdisk calls it "disk identifier" and recent enough kernels uses it to 
create synthetic partition UUIDs (PARTUUID) for the partitions. Wiping 
the first 446 bytes erases this signature.

Re: video driver - new thread

[Reco]

Hi.

On Sat, 22 Jul 2017 11:48:42 -0600
"D. R. Evans"  wrote:

> As my old thread has been hijacked, I thought that I'd better start a new one.
> 
> Teemu Likonen wrote on 07/17/2017 03:09 PM:
> > D. R. Evans [2017-07-17 14:19:32-06] wrote:
> >
> >> Beginning a couple of weeks ago, I started to experience occasional 
> >> freezes or
> >> sudden blank screens on my 64-bit jessie system.
> >
> >> Jul 17 13:58:23 homebrew kernel: [24262.075187] nouveau E[ DRM] GPU 
> >> lockup
> >> - switching to software fbcon
> >>
> >> I don't know how a particular driver gets chosen by the system, but is 
> >> there a
> >> different driver I could try?
> >
> > I have an Nvidia card and experienced complete lockups with nouveau
> > driver. Solution: Install nvidia-driver packages and all is working
> > well. Just one additional problem: non-free software.
> >
> 
> I have installed the nvidia-driver package.
> 
> At that point X did not start on boot, so I installed nvidia-xconfig and ran
> it. It gave half a dozen errors, but on reboot X started and looks good.
> 
> How do I confirm that I am actually using the proprietary driver rather than
> nouveau?

grep -i glx ~/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.[0-9]*.log

If you see nvidia in the result - you're using proprietary driver.

Reco

Re: video driver - new thread

[D. R. Evans]

Hans wrote on 07/22/2017 11:55 AM:
> Maybe try to add a file /etc/X11/xorg.conf (ask google, how it has to look), 
> and in it set the driver "nvidia".
> 

nvidia-xconfig created such a file, and the driver in it is set to "nvidia",
so I think that is indeed the confirmation I was looking for.

Thank you.

> Make sure, the nouveau kernel driver is blacklisted.
> 

How do I do that? (Although it doesn't seem to be necessary.)

> BTW: Is the proprietrary driver compatible with latest xserver-xorg again?
> 

I have no idea how to answer that, I'm afraid. If you can tell me what
commands I should try in order to get that information, I'll happily try them.

The system here (jessie, 64-bit) is completely up to date, so it should be
using the latest version of everything that is supported in jessie.

(It's on my to-do list to move to stretch, but given that the first system on
which I tried that produced a not-particularly-pleasant experience, with one
issue still unresolved, I'm waiting for a bit before upgrading my main desktop
system.)

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Re: Upgrade jessie et 604 paquets non mis à jour

[andre_debian]

On Saturday 22 July 2017 16:21:39 maderios wrote:
> >>> #sources.list pour passer à jessie
> >>> #JESSIE
> >>> deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free
> >>> deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free
> >>>
> >>> #sources.list pour passer à stretch
> >>> #STRETCH
> >>> deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main contrib non-free
> >>> deb http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates main contrib non-free

> >> 2 lignes suffisent alors ?
> >
> > Pour la mise à niveau oui. Je commencerais par ça (et toujours la sainte
> > trinité apt-get update puis apt-get upgrade puis apt-get distupgrade) et
> > gardant le reste commenté. Puis j'ajouterais la ligne pour les backports
> > deb http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian stretch-backports main contrib
> > et celle pour le multimédia (plus sûr que ça soit nécessaire,
> >deb http://www.deb-multimedia.org stretch main non-free
> J'ai abandonné deb-multimedia parce que, désormais, debian fournit les
> paquets multimedia dont j'ai besoin. Par contre, deb-multimedia est
> incontournable pour les programmes comportant des problèmes de license.
> > avec à chaque fois la sainte trinité entre.
> > Un redémarrage doit être nécessaire lors du passage du noyau de jessie à
> > celui de stretch.
> > Et le gros conseil à retenir : ne jamais mettre le nom stable dans son
> > sources.list mais plutôt sont petit nom du moment, ici stretch. Si tu
> > l'avais suivi avant le passage de jessie vers stretch, tu n'aurais pas
> > eu tes problèmes.
> Exact et inversement, quand on veut rester en testing, on ne met pas
> 'buster' mais 'testing' sinon on se retrouve bloqué en stable dans deux
> ans...

Ok, merci,

mais les deux lignes maitresses contiennent "non free"...

Je préférerai aussi du "free".

Bonne fin ded soirée,

André

Re: video driver - new thread

[D. R. Evans]

Reco wrote on 07/22/2017 12:37 PM:
> grep -i glx ~/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.[0-9]*.log

[HN:~] grep -i glx ~/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.[0-9]*.log
grep: /home/n7dr/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.[0-9]*.log: No such file or directory
[HN:~]

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Re: why network install so slow?

[Long Wind]

i use default fs, ext4,
it is fresh install

i am in china, asia
but this should not be problem
i used to use http.us.debian.org
it is quick during some part of day

to install new distro, i have to find disk space
back up files, it isnot easy to create a new partition

i am afraid during "apt-get update"
it finds copy of Packages and Translations
that have been downloaded before
and it check and use it instead of download
that is why update is quickl

On Sunday, July 23, 2017, Felix Miata  wrote:

> Long Wind composed on 2017-07-23 07:18 (UTC+0800):
>
> > I have tried many mirrors
> > some from US, and ftp.au.debian.org and ftp.ca.debian.org and ...
> Which continent are you on?
>
> > all are slow
> > is that because i use device name eth1??
>
> No.
>
> > the strange thing is during "apt-get update" all  mirrors are quick
> > when I use "apt-get install" all mirrors becomes slow
>
> Which filesystem type do you have for /? How long ago did you install? Was
> Stretch a fresh installation, or an upgrade from Jessie?
>
> > i regret i install stretch
> > (i am happy with jessie)
>
> I like Stretch better, though not that much.
>
> Next time, install another alongside, in multiboot, instead of replacing.
> Then
> if you don't like it, just don't use it. If you do, good, and the old one
> can be
> a rescue tool, and a place to install the next new version.
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Re: Indicação

[l]

Le quinta 20 julho 2017 à 09:33 -0300, Antonio Terceiro a écrit :
> 
> Uma coisa que aparentemente muita gente não entende: depender de
> software proprietário _é_ um problema.

Certo.


> Não basta funcionar com um driverzinho/firmwarezinho proprietário, é
> preciso funcionar apenas com software livre. mesmo que você não se
> importe com os princípios do software livre, existem vários motivos
> práticos pra querer isso:

De acordo.  Mas o quanto isso é possível ao comprar um sistema novo
hoje?  O que existe que não precise nem sequer dum /firmware/
proprietário?  Recentemente comprei um Intel NUC6i7KYK, porque tinha
todos os acionadores de dispositivo (/drivers/) livres, mas não achei
nada sem /firmware/ proprietário.


> - é impossível para o time de segurança do Debian dar suporte a
> software proprietário, por definição
> 
> - updates de software proprietário sempre podem trazer um backdoor, e
> é efetivamente impossível de saber se/quando esse é o caso.

Justiça seja feita, de programas livres também, a menos que sejam
auditados; o que não é o caso no Debian, apenas (que eu saiba) no
OpenBSD.  Ser auditável, como é o caso no Debian, já é uma grande
vantagem; mas acho legal sermos precisos.


> Obviamente, se você já comprou o hardware sem se atentar a isso, você
> precisa dar um jeito pra ele funcionar. Mas se você está comprando, é
> preciso prestar atenção nessas coisas, porque continuar comprando
> hardware que precisa de software proprietário manda uma mensagem aos
> fabricantes de que ninguém se importa, e é OK pra eles continuarem
> vendendo.

E aí fica minha pergunta: o que há que não exija /firmware/
proprietário?


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Re: video driver - new thread

[Curt]

On 2017-07-22, Felix Miata  wrote:
> D. R. Evans composed on 2017-07-22 13:06 (UTC-0600):
>
>> Reco wrote:
>
>>> grep -i glx ~/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.[0-9]*.log
>
>> [HN:~] grep -i glx ~/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.[0-9]*.log
>> grep: /home/n7dr/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.[0-9]*.log: No such file or directory
>> [HN:~]
>> 
>
> I don't know why he suggested that:
>

KMS rootless X indeed puts the log in ~/.local/share/xorg. As it's
enabled by default for the nouveau driver since Squeeze, the "No such
file or directory" message indicates the OP is using the proprietary
driver, for which KMS must be enabled manually.

Kind of a roundabout, teach a fish to fly kind of thing, but Reco is
twisted.

Actually just kidding.

How 'bout

 grep -B2 'Module class: X.Org Video Driver' /var/log/Xorg.0.log

But then if the OP had been using the nouveau driver, he'd get a "No such
file or directory" message.

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Re: video driver - new thread

[Felix Miata]

Curt composed on 2017-07-22 15:58 (UTC-0400):

> Felix Miata wrote:

>> D. R. Evans composed on 2017-07-22 13:06 (UTC-0600):

>>> Reco wrote:

 grep -i glx ~/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.[0-9]*.log

>>> [HN:~] grep -i glx ~/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.[0-9]*.log
>>> grep: /home/n7dr/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.[0-9]*.log: No such file or 
>>> directory
>>> [HN:~]

>> I don't know why he suggested that:

> KMS rootless X indeed puts the log in ~/.local/share/xorg. As it's
> enabled by default for the nouveau driver since Squeeze, the "No such
> file or directory" message indicates the OP is using the proprietary
> driver, for which KMS must be enabled manually.

Rather than "suggested that" I should have written "suggested glx as search 
string".

I don't often here fail to find a current /var/log/Xorg.0.log. I think what's
happening is the one in .local/share/ is getting copied to /var/log/ so that it
remains available in the location people historically expect, where Googling
will suggest to look, plus the typing is easier with no shifts required and
fewer characters to type.

> Kind of a roundabout, teach a fish to fly kind of thing, but Reco is
> twisted.

> Actually just kidding.

> How 'bout

>  grep -B2 'Module class: X.Org Video Driver' /var/log/Xorg.0.log

Is a mere mortal going to know, seeing the following, which driver is actually
in use?

# grep -B2 'Module class: X.Org Video Driver' /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[22.731] (II) Module modesetting: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
..
[22.731] (II) Module fbdev: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
..
[22.731] (II) Module vesa: vendor="X.Org Foundation"

Someone using a file viewer (e.g. MC -> F3) rather than grep is going to spot a
large mass of similar *(0) lines faster than one short string in a file with 300
or more lines.

Another grepping option:

# grep Output /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[22.851] (II) modeset(0): Output VGA-0 has no monitor section
[22.864] (II) modeset(0): Output HDMI-0 has no monitor section
[22.864] (II) modeset(0): Output HDMI-1 has no monitor section
[22.879] (II) modeset(0): Output VGA-0 disconnected
[22.879] (II) modeset(0): Output HDMI-0 connected
[22.879] (II) modeset(0): Output HDMI-1 disconnected
[22.879] (II) modeset(0): Output HDMI-0 using initial mode 1920x1200

> But then if the OP had been using the nouveau driver, he'd get a "No such
> file or directory" message.

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Re: Urgent: how to config network in strech

[Felix Miata]

Long Wind composed on 2017-07-23 06:11 (UTC+0800):

> i have just installed strech
> network isn't config during installation
> i used to use "dhclient eth1", it no longer work in strech

> device name eth1 change to what?

> how to config network in strech?

You can override the new system of naming via instructions near the bottom of
https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/
or on
https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#new-interface-names
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(solved)Re: Urgent: how to config network in strech

[Long Wind]

Thanks!
I add a boot option and can use eth1 now

Re: debian 6 download)

[Ben Caradoc-Davies]

On 23/07/17 04:56, arshad mahmood wrote:

Hi do you know how I can down load debian 6 server is free to download load or 
will I need to buy it through  a vendor regards


Debian 6 (squeeze) images are free to download but have been moved to 
the archives.


Media images are in the cdimage archive:
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/

Packages are on archive.debian.org:
http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/

Debian 9 (stretch) has been released. Have you considered using this 
newer, supported release?


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Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch?

[Fungi4All]

> From: a...@cityscape.co.uk
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> On Wed 19 Jul 2017 at 18:21:15 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
>> Fungi4All composed on 2017-07-19 17:39 (UTC-0400):
>> > > 27 upgraded, 3 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded.
>> > Need to get 68.5 MB of archives.> After this operation, 242 MB of 
>> > additional disk space will be used.
>> > Do you want to continue? [Y/n] n
>> > Abort.
>>
>> > $ sudo apt-get upgrade
>> ...
>> > 25 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 4 not upgraded.
>> > Need to get 21.1 MB of archives.
>> > After this operation, 145 kB of additional disk space will be used.
>> > Do you want to continue? [Y/n] n
>> > Abort.
>>
>> Prezactly! ;-)
> The different results with apt upgrade as opposed to apt-get upgrade
> are due to apt installing new packages, something which apt-get will
> not do. Use apt-get dist-upgrade for that. The end result is the same.

I took your advise and used apt-get only across 4 Debian editions.
It did not stop systemd from being installed all on its own.
I started with 7, pretty minimal sysV and runit, slim, openbox, midori,
2-3 lxde pieces to save time and hustle, tried to go to 8. Every step
systemd was installing I would take it off before I would restart. I couldn't
even get the kernel to install properly. I would restore the initial 7 and
tried to go to 9. Same ol, same ol. Testing  I gave up and didn't even
try to go straight to sid :)
I thought maybe I can build a devuan. I would lose net-manager all the
time and with wifi it became the impossible task to achieve.
I don't remember how many times I had to remove firefox, deluge,
and some other commercial "free" software.
So much for the apt-get not installing shit on its own.
But if it was that easy it wouldn't have taken Devuan so long to get it
done.

Urgent: how to config network in strech

[Long Wind]

i have just installed strech
network isn't config during installation
i used to use "dhclient eth1", it no longer work in strech

device name eth1 change to what?

how to config network in strech?

Re: why network install so slow?

[Felix Miata]

Long Wind composed on 2017-07-23 09:21 (UTC+0800):

> i use default fs, ext4,
> it is fresh install

There was a thread here, yesterday I think, explaining that a fresh EXT4
partition isn't completely formatted initially, and depends on the CPU finishing
the task in the background after mounting. I suppose that this process could be
slowing other things down until completed.

> i am in china, asia
> but this should not be problem
> i used to use http.us.debian.org
> it is quick during some part of day

I know little about Internet in China, but have heard that the government
manipulates the user experience in terms of what is available and the traffic.

> to install new distro, i have to find disk space
> back up files, it isnot easy to create a new partition

This is true, but also it is not easy when a new release frustrates.

> i am afraid during "apt-get update"
> it finds copy of Packages and Translations
> that have been downloaded before
> and it check and use it instead of download
> that is why update is quickl
 Right. This is caching. It can be very helpful in limiting waste of bandwidth.
An uncached package can be slower coming from longer away through a slower pipe,
and may additionally be slowed by censorship and/or malware inspection.
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Re: video driver - new thread

[Hans]

Maybe try to add a file /etc/X11/xorg.conf (ask google, how it has to look), 
and in it set the driver "nvidia".

Make sure, the nouveau kernel driver is blacklisted.

BTW: Is the proprietrary driver compatible with latest xserver-xorg again?

Best regards

Hans 
> Thanks to people for their helpful suggestions about installing the
> proprietary driver (sorry it took so long to actually get it done: I had
> some work in progress for a client, and didn't want to run a risk of ending
> up without a working graphical desktop. That work ended yesterday, so this
> is the first time it's felt safe to try the switch to the new driver.)
> 
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Re: Indicação

[Antonio Terceiro]

On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 03:52:03PM -0300, l...@dutras.org wrote:
> Le quinta 20 julho 2017 à 09:33 -0300, Antonio Terceiro a écrit :
> > 
> > Uma coisa que aparentemente muita gente não entende: depender de
> > software proprietário _é_ um problema.
> 
> Certo.
> 
> 
> > Não basta funcionar com um driverzinho/firmwarezinho proprietário, é
> > preciso funcionar apenas com software livre. mesmo que você não se
> > importe com os princípios do software livre, existem vários motivos
> > práticos pra querer isso:
> 
> De acordo.  Mas o quanto isso é possível ao comprar um sistema novo
> hoje?  O que existe que não precise nem sequer dum /firmware/
> proprietário?  Recentemente comprei um Intel NUC6i7KYK, porque tinha
> todos os acionadores de dispositivo (/drivers/) livres, mas não achei
> nada sem /firmware/ proprietário.

De fato, não é trivial achar um sistema assim no Brasil, mas eles
existem. Por exemplo têm modelos da Dell com wireless Atheros e vídeo
integrado Intel, que não precisam carregar nenhum firmware proprietário.
Mais sobre isso lá embaixo.

Mas o meu ponto é que precisar de firmware proprietário _é_ um problema,
mesmo que não seja um problema muito fácil de evitar atualmente.

> > - é impossível para o time de segurança do Debian dar suporte a
> > software proprietário, por definição
> > 
> > - updates de software proprietário sempre podem trazer um backdoor, e
> > é efetivamente impossível de saber se/quando esse é o caso.
> 
> Justiça seja feita, de programas livres também, a menos que sejam
> auditados; o que não é o caso no Debian, apenas (que eu saiba) no
> OpenBSD.  Ser auditável, como é o caso no Debian, já é uma grande
> vantagem; mas acho legal sermos precisos.

Ninguém falou de auditoria. Dar suporte de segurança, como é feito no
Debian e em outros projetos, mesmo de distros comerciais, quer dizer
poder consertar problemas de segurança de forma independente. Isso
depende de conhecer o problema (CVEs e similares), e ter o código fonte
disponível pra poder aplicar patches de segurança. Não significa que
todos os problemas de segurança serão resolvidos, mas que a princípio
eles _podem_ ser.

Auditoria de segurança é outra conversa ...

> > Obviamente, se você já comprou o hardware sem se atentar a isso, você
> > precisa dar um jeito pra ele funcionar. Mas se você está comprando, é
> > preciso prestar atenção nessas coisas, porque continuar comprando
> > hardware que precisa de software proprietário manda uma mensagem aos
> > fabricantes de que ninguém se importa, e é OK pra eles continuarem
> > vendendo.
> 
> E aí fica minha pergunta: o que há que não exija /firmware/
> proprietário?

Existem vários modelos onde não precisam de firmware proprietário que é
carregado pelo SO, o que já é um começo. Aqui estão inclusos todos os
modelos que funcionam com Linux-libre, ou com o kernel do Debian sem os
firmwares não-livres no non-free, por exemplo.

Existem empresas fora do Brasil abertamente comprometidas com a idéia de
construir computadores que vão nessa direção, como ThinkPenguing
(https://thinkpenguin.com/) e Purism (https://puri.sm). No Brasil se
você procurar muito você encontra modelos da Dell e outros.

Agora, os dispositivos que não precisam carregar firmware às vezes é
porque o firmware já vem carregado numa ROM não-volátil dentro do
próprio dispositivo. Nesse caso, o firmware ainda é proprietário, mas o
fato de não ter que carregar ele a partir do SO elimina a possibilidade
de um backdoor ser instalado por uma atualização de firmware do
fabricante, ou de uma atualização maliciosa injetada por um atacante com
recursos e motivação suficientes; como ele é proprietário, a gente nunca
vai ter como saber.

Hoje não existe nada em termos de laptops/desktops atuais que não tenha
_nenhum_ firmware embutido.

Pelo que eu entendo o pessoal da ThinkPenguing acredita que a saída pra
isso abandonar a arquitetura Intel, e partir pra plataformas como EOMA68
(https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68)

Já a Purism está indo a fundo em Intel mesmo, tendo planos inclusive de
ter tudo livre incluindo BIOS e firmware de HD:
https://puri.sm/learn/freedom-roadmap/


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Re: debian 6 download)

[Georgi Naplatanov]

On 07/23/2017 05:04 AM, Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote:
> On 23/07/17 04:56, arshad mahmood wrote:
>> Hi do you know how I can down load debian 6 server is free to download
>> load or will I need to buy it through  a vendor regards
> 
> Debian 6 (squeeze) images are free to download but have been moved to
> the archives.
> 
> Media images are in the cdimage archive:
> http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/
> 
> Packages are on archive.debian.org:
> http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/
> 
> Debian 9 (stretch) has been released. Have you considered using this
> newer, supported release?
> 

There is a list with supported Debian releases including LTS and Debian
7 is oldest supported release.

https://wiki.debian.org/LTS

Kind regards

Re: Urgent: how to config network in strech

[Charlie Kravetz]

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On Sun, 23 Jul 2017 06:11:55 +0800
Long Wind  wrote:

>i have just installed strech
>network isn't config during installation
>i used to use "dhclient eth1", it no longer work in strech
>
>device name eth1 change to what?
>
>how to config network in strech?
>

Open a terminal, type 
ip addr
hit ENTER
it will show you the device names. Normally, it starts with 1: lo . The
next one should be either eth1 or whatever name has replaced it now.

Good luck.

- -- 
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[http://linuxcounter.net/user/425914.html]
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[no subject]

[arshad mahmood]

Hi do you know how I can down load debian 6 server is free to download load or 
will I need to buy it through  a vendor regards

Re: why network install so slow?

[Doug]

On 07/22/2017 08:21 PM, Long Wind wrote:

i use default fs, ext4,
it is fresh install

i am in china, asia
but this should not be problem
i used to use http.us.debian.org 
it is quick during some part of day

to install new distro, i have to find disk space
back up files, it isnot easy to create a new partition


Can you use GParted? That works great. You can shrink a partition on a 
drive that has enough space, and make a new one in the resulting empty 
space. Format the new partition,
with a Linux file system. Then you can make a directory on the the new 
partition and copy files by any of the normal means from your existing 
partition to the new one. Best if you
have two drives, so put the new partition on the second drive, so now 
you have a nice backup.


--doug


i am afraid during "apt-get update"
it finds copy of Packages and Translations
that have been downloaded before
and it check and use it instead of download
that is why update is quickl

On Sunday, July 23, 2017, Felix Miata > wrote:


Long Wind composed on 2017-07-23 07:18 (UTC+0800):

> I have tried many mirrors
> some from US, and ftp.au.debian.org 
and ftp.ca.debian.org  and ...
Which continent are you on?

> all are slow
> is that because i use device name eth1??

No.

> the strange thing is during "apt-get update" all  mirrors are quick
> when I use "apt-get install" all mirrors becomes slow

Which filesystem type do you have for /? How long ago did you
install? Was
Stretch a fresh installation, or an upgrade from Jessie?

> i regret i install stretch
> (i am happy with jessie)

I like Stretch better, though not that much.

Next time, install another alongside, in multiboot, instead of
replacing. Then
if you don't like it, just don't use it. If you do, good, and the
old one can be
a rescue tool, and a place to install the next new version.
--
"The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant
words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

Felix Miata  *** http://fm.no-ip.com/

video driver - new thread

[D. R. Evans]

As my old thread has been hijacked, I thought that I'd better start a new one.

Teemu Likonen wrote on 07/17/2017 03:09 PM:
> D. R. Evans [2017-07-17 14:19:32-06] wrote:
>
>> Beginning a couple of weeks ago, I started to experience occasional freezes 
>> or
>> sudden blank screens on my 64-bit jessie system.
>
>> Jul 17 13:58:23 homebrew kernel: [24262.075187] nouveau E[ DRM] GPU 
>> lockup
>> - switching to software fbcon
>>
>> I don't know how a particular driver gets chosen by the system, but is there 
>> a
>> different driver I could try?
>
> I have an Nvidia card and experienced complete lockups with nouveau
> driver. Solution: Install nvidia-driver packages and all is working
> well. Just one additional problem: non-free software.
>

I have installed the nvidia-driver package.

At that point X did not start on boot, so I installed nvidia-xconfig and ran
it. It gave half a dozen errors, but on reboot X started and looks good.

How do I confirm that I am actually using the proprietary driver rather than
nouveau?

I am 99+% sure that the proprietary driver is being used, because the screen
looks quite different during the boot sequence, and slightly different once I
have a desktop. But I'd like to know how to confirm the fact.

Thanks to people for their helpful suggestions about installing the
proprietary driver (sorry it took so long to actually get it done: I had some
work in progress for a client, and didn't want to run a risk of ending up
without a working graphical desktop. That work ended yesterday, so this is the
first time it's felt safe to try the switch to the new driver.)

  Doc

-- 
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Re: video driver - new thread

[Felix Miata]

D. R. Evans composed on 2017-07-22 13:06 (UTC-0600):

> Reco wrote:

>> grep -i glx ~/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.[0-9]*.log

> [HN:~] grep -i glx ~/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.[0-9]*.log
> grep: /home/n7dr/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.[0-9]*.log: No such file or directory
> [HN:~]
> 

I don't know why he suggested that:

$ inxi -c0 -G
Graphics:  Card: Intel Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor Integrated
Graphics Controller
   Display Server: X.Org 1.17.2 drivers: modesetting (unloaded: 
fbdev,vesa)
   Resolution: 1920x1200@60.0hz
   GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Haswell Desktop GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 
11.0.8

# grep glx /var/log/Xorg.[0-9]*.log
/var/log/Xorg.0.log:[22.700] (II) LoadModule: "glx"
/var/log/Xorg.0.log:[22.701] (II) Loading
/usr/lib64/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so
/var/log/Xorg.0.log:[22.727] (II) Module glx: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
/var/log/Xorg.1.log:[2946089.809] (II) LoadModule: "glx"
/var/log/Xorg.1.log:[2946089.809] (II) Loading
/usr/lib64/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so
/var/log/Xorg.1.log:[2946089.810] (II) Module glx: vendor="X.Org Foundation"

If the NVidia driver is in use, Xorg.[0-9].log will have /many/ lines in
sequence that include:

NVIDIA(0)

If Nouveau:

NOUVEAU(0)

If modesetting:

MODESET(0)

If Intel:

INTEL(0)

# grep -i MODESET /var/log/Xorg.0.log | wc -l
233

If Radeon:

RADEON(0)

If Amdgpu

AMDGPU(0)
-- 
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words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

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Felix Miata  ***  http://fm.no-ip.com/

dhclient doesn't send DHCP options

[Joshua Schaeffer]

Anybody seen this issue where dhclient does not send the user-class option in 
it's solicit message. I have a minimal dhclient.conf file and when I start 
dhclient I can see that option 15 isn't sent:

root@blldhcptest01:~# cat /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf
senduser-class"dhcp server";
requesttime-offset, host-name, dhcp6.name-servers, 
dhcp6.domain-search, dhcp6.fqdn;
do-forward-updatesoff;

root@blldhcptest01:~# dhclient -6 -pf /run/dhclient6.eth0.pid -I eth0 -d -v 
-cf /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf
Internet Systems Consortium DHCP Client 4.3.3
Copyright 2004-2015 Internet Systems Consortium.
All rights reserved.
For info, please visit https://www.isc.org/software/dhcp/

Listening on Socket/eth0
Sending on   Socket/eth0
PRC: Soliciting for leases (INIT).
XMT: Forming Solicit, 0 ms elapsed.
XMT:  X-- IA_NA 3e:1e:cd:ff
XMT:  | X-- Request renew in  +3600
XMT:  | X-- Request rebind in +5400
XMT: Solicit on eth0, interval 1030ms.
RCV: Advertise message on eth0 from fe80::216:3eff:fe11:10ab.
RCV:  X-- IA_NA 3e:1e:cd:ff
RCV:  | X-- starts 1500753449
RCV:  | X-- t1 - renew  +0
RCV:  | X-- t2 - rebind +0
RCV:  | X-- [Options]
RCV:  X-- Server ID: 00:01:00:01:21:04:51:d0:00:16:3e:11:10:ab
IA_NA status code NoAddrsAvail: "No addresses available for this interface."

And I don't see the option in the packet:

No. TimeSourceDestination   Protocol 
Length Info
  2 1.640863fe80::216:3eff:fe1e:cdff ff02::1:2 DHCPv6   
116Solicit XID: 0x7ea155 CID: 00010001210664ed00163e1ecdff

Frame 2: 116 bytes on wire (928 bits), 116 bytes captured (928 bits)
Ethernet II, Src: Xensourc_1e:cd:ff (00:16:3e:1e:cd:ff), Dst: 
IPv6mcast_01:00:02 (33:33:00:01:00:02)
Internet Protocol Version 6, Src: fe80::216:3eff:fe1e:cdff 
(fe80::216:3eff:fe1e:cdff), Dst: ff02::1:2 (ff02::1:2)
User Datagram Protocol, Src Port: 546 (546), Dst Port: 547 (547)
DHCPv6
Message type: Solicit (1)
Transaction ID: 0x7ea155
Client Identifier
Option: Client Identifier (1)
Length: 14
Value: 00010001210664ed00163e1ecdff
DUID: 00010001210664ed00163e1ecdff
DUID Type: link-layer address plus time (1)
Hardware type: Ethernet (1)
DUID Time: Jul 22, 2017 13:33:01.0 MDT
Link-layer address: 00:16:3e:1e:cd:ff
Option Request
Option: Option Request (6)
Length: 6
Value: 001700180027
Requested Option code: DNS recursive name server (23)
Requested Option code: Domain Search List (24)
Requested Option code: Fully Qualified Domain Name (39)
Elapsed time
Option: Elapsed time (8)
Length: 2
Value: 
Elapsed time: 0 ms
Identity Association for Non-temporary Address
Option: Identity Association for Non-temporary Address (3)
Length: 12
Value: 3e1ecdff0e101518
IAID: 3e1ecdff
T1: 3600
T2: 5400

I have classes defined on my DHCP server that requires the user-class option 
and because it isn't being sent it can't match the client to any class and as 
such returns a NoAddrsAvail status code is returned. Anybody encountered this 
before and know how to fix it?

Thanks,
Joshua Schaeffer

Re: why network install so slow?

[Felix Miata]

Long Wind composed on 2017-07-23 07:18 (UTC+0800):

> I have tried many mirrors
> some from US, and ftp.au.debian.org and ftp.ca.debian.org and ...
Which continent are you on?

> all are slow
> is that because i use device name eth1??

No.

> the strange thing is during "apt-get update" all  mirrors are quick
> when I use "apt-get install" all mirrors becomes slow

Which filesystem type do you have for /? How long ago did you install? Was
Stretch a fresh installation, or an upgrade from Jessie?

> i regret i install stretch
> (i am happy with jessie)

I like Stretch better, though not that much.

Next time, install another alongside, in multiboot, instead of replacing. Then
if you don't like it, just don't use it. If you do, good, and the old one can be
a rescue tool, and a place to install the next new version.
-- 
"The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant
words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

Felix Miata  ***  http://fm.no-ip.com/

Re: why network install so slow?

[Cindy-Sue Causey]

On 7/22/17, Long Wind  wrote:
> I have tried many mirrors
> some from US, and ftp.au.debian.org and ftp.ca.debian.org and ...
>
> all are slow
> is that because i use device name eth1??
>
> the strange thing is during "apt-get update" all  mirrors are quick
> when I use "apt-get install" all mirrors becomes slow
>
> i regret i install stretch
> (i am happy with jessie)

I've been having the same issue with Internet access (via dialup), but
the experience is across most of the entire [Net] for me. It's been
maybe a week or so that it has been very notable. It's been so bad a
few times that I've dipped into my reservoir of not so pretty words a
couple times along the way...

Ditto what Felix said about running both until you see if you like the
newest edition. I'm actually about to deliberately debootstrap Stretch
soon again just for practice. It will be my backup since I moved to
Buster during the newest release.

I consciously keep both because I always have it in mind that maybe
someone will have a problem with the previous release and maybe, just
maybe I'll be able to duplicate their issue to try to help out. I
actually was able to do that a couple months back where no one else
could duplicate a user's error, and my setup actually did throw the
user's same issue. *yay* :)

Cindy :)
-- 
Cindy-Sue Causey
Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA

* runs with duct tape *

Re: Urgent: how to config network in strech

[Georgi Naplatanov]

On 07/23/2017 01:11 AM, Long Wind wrote:
> i have just installed strech
> network isn't config during installation

This is very strange. Is your network interface wireless? Otherwise you
can file a bug report against debian installer.

> i used to use "dhclient eth1", it no longer work in strech

it's working just fine on my pc. I've just tried.

> device name eth1 change to what?

you can try

# ifconfig -a

this will show all network interfaces

> how to config network in strech?

You can configure your network interface with ip or ifconfig commands or
you can use network manager. I know that network manager has GUI
component for Gnome and KDE but for other desktop environments I'm not sure.

Kind regards
Georgi

why network install so slow?

[Long Wind]

I have tried many mirrors
some from US, and ftp.au.debian.org and ftp.ca.debian.org and ...

all are slow
is that because i use device name eth1??

the strange thing is during "apt-get update" all  mirrors are quick
when I use "apt-get install" all mirrors becomes slow

i regret i install stretch
(i am happy with jessie)

Re: (none)

[Joe Pfeiffer]

arshad mahmood  writes:

> Hi do you know how I can down load debian 6 server is free to download
> load or will I need to buy it through a vendor regards 

Is there a particular reason you want to install a version that was
released six years ago?  If not, I suggest you install Debian 9 (which
was just released a month or so ago); you can get it from

https://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/

If you *really* want an antique version, go to

https://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/

Installed Stretch, but no command line

[Ken Heard]

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Just finished installing Stretch, using a RAID1, LVM and encryotion
for home (passkey) and .  It is ant the moment a basic installation
with X-server-Xorg, but no DE yet. As part of the boot it accepts my
/home password, but I do not get the command line. I end up with a
blue-grey screen. No input from mouse or keyboard is accepted.  To
close the computer I have to use the power switch.

I can open it in recovery mode, and after I enter the root password I
can get the command line as root. But I don't know what to do next to
effect a rescue.  From the root command line I can however close the
computer properly with "shutdown -h now".

I did notice when the computer was booting normally -- not in rescue
mode -- the following lines loop many times until the computer gives up:

Running /scripts/local-block
Failed to connect to lvmetad
Failed to find logical volume SOL1/swap_crypt

According to several posts on line, this behaviour is a nuisance but
not fatal.  As some people suggested on line I tried to get rid of
this nuisance by changing in /etc/lvm/lvm.conf use_lvmetad=1 to =0,
but to no effect.

If I have to I can live with the nuisance, but I cannot live without
the command line.

Help please, anyone.

Regards, Ken

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Re: Les cyber menaces basculent vers Linux et les serveurs Web

[Alain Rpnpif]

Le 22 juillet 2017, Thierry Bugier Pineau a écrit :

> Un sujet de BAC philosophie :
> 
> Windows est il un crime ?
> 

Non, je préfère :
Linux est-il le paradis ?
C'est plus vendeur auprès des lycéens car positif :))

> (Fin de troll) :)
Idem... c'est samedi.

-- 
Alain Rpnpif

Re: Permisos a usuari per disc dur intern que només te permisos root

[Narcis Garcia]

__
I'm using this express-made address because personal addresses aren't
masked enough at this mail public archive. Public archive administrator
should fix this against automated addresses collectors.
El 22/07/17 a les 11:55, Joan ha escrit:
> 
> 
> El Fri, 21 Jul 2017 20:06:15 +0200
> Narcis Garcia  va escriure:
> 
>> Per polir-ho millor, i per si de cas la carpeta la compartiu entre
>> vàris usuaris autoritzats, jo faria això en un terminal normal:
>>
>> sudo usermod --append --groups users jordi
>> sudo chown -R jordi:users /Dades
>> sudo chmod -R o= /Dades
> 
> Aquesta ordre què fa?

La última, deixa sense cap permís els «other» (altres) usuaris, és a
dir, els que no són propietaris com a usuari ni del grup de la carpeta.

> 
>> sudo chmod -R ug+rwX /Dades
> 
> I en aquesta perquè la X està en majúscules?

La «x» en minúscula es refereix al permís d'execució, que inclou tant
fitxers com directoris. En majúscula especifica que només afecti als
directoris, per a poder-los obrir.

> 
>> sudo chmod -R g+s /Dades
> 
> I el "+s" per a què serveix?

L'atribut «enganxós» (s) és per a què, quan es crei un subdirectori,
aquest hereti el mateix grup del directori. D'aquesta manera, en aquest
cas, si jordi crea un subdirectori, aquest serà del grup «users» i no
pas del grup «jordi». Això facilita una mica la compartició entre usuaris.

> 
> (quines birgueries que useu!).
> 
> Joan Cervan
> 
>>
>> Amb tot això t'hauria d'anar finíssim, i els usuaris que vulguis
>> autoritzar només cal que els afegeixis al grup «users» com a la
>> primera instrucció.
>>
>> __
>> I'm using this express-made address because personal addresses aren't
>> masked enough at this mail public archive. Public archive
>> administrator should fix this against automated addresses collectors.
>> El 21/07/17 a les 16:29, Jordi Boixader ha escrit:
>>> Moltes gràcies als 2, així ho he fet com diu l'Ernest i ja ha
>>> funcionat. Espero que al reiniciar ja quedi per defecte.
>>>
>>> Salut!
>>>
>>> El dia 21 de juliol de 2017 a les 15:51, Ernest Adrogué
>>> > ha escrit:
>>>
>>> 2017-07-21, 15:22 (+0200); Jordi Boixader escriu:  
>>> > Hola,
>>> >
>>> > Al instal·lar la debian 9, vaig crear 3 particions la "/",
>>> > "/home" i swap. També tinc un altre HD intern al que vaig
>>> > anomenat "/Dades".
>>> >
>>> > El "/Dades" em surt a l'arrel, que ja m'està bé, abans el
>>> > tenia a "/mnt/Dades", però quan intento copiar algun arxiu em
>>> > diu que només hi ha permisos per a root.
>>> >
>>> > Amb el tema dels permisos no m'hi aclareixo, he estat buscant
>>> > per Google, però em surten moltes opcions diferents i no se
>>> > pas quina triar per fer-ho.
>>> >
>>> > Com ho he de fer per tenir accés total a aquesta partició amb
>>> > el meu usuari jordi?  
>>>
>>> Amb la partició muntada, canvies el propietari i permisos del
>>> punt de muntatge, per exemple:
>>>
>>> chown jordi.jordi /Dades
>>> chmod u=rwx,g=rx,o=rx /Dades
>>>
>>>   
>>
> 
> 
> 

Re: [HS] Re: MariaDB / Mysql (Debian vs GPL en général)

[Olivier]

Ce paquet asterisk-mysql dont j'ignorais l'existence, apporte-t-il une
connectivité MySQL native ou par ODBC ?
En lisant les dépendances, j'ai l'impression qu'il s'agit de la première
solution, non ?

Le 20 juillet 2017 à 18:12, maderios  a écrit :

> On 07/20/2017 05:46 PM, Olivier wrote:
>
>> Bonjour,
>>
>> J'ai noté la suppression dans Stretch du paquet libmyodbc pour cause
>> d'obsolesence de ce paquet.
>> Cette suppression est bloquante pour des projets comme Asterisk qui
>> marginalement, il est vrai, s'intègre à MySQL via ODBC.
>> Je n'ai pas l'impression que la Galaxie MariaDB a un équivalent mais je
>> serai ravi d'avoir tort.
>>
>> Si quelqu'un avait un conseil pratique sur le contournement de cette
>> difficulté, je serai très curieux d'en savoir plus.
>>
>> Un petit coup de pub pour Buster: asterisk-mysql n'est pas dépendant de
> mysql mais de mariadb
> Package: asterisk-mysql
> Source: asterisk (1:13.14.1~dfsg-2)
> Version: 1:13.14.1~dfsg-2+b1
> Installed-Size: 850
> Maintainer: Debian VoIP Team  >
> Architecture: amd64
> Depends: asterisk (= 1:13.14.1~dfsg-2+b1), libc6 (>= 2.14),
> libmariadbclient18 (>= 5.5.36), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4)
> Description-en: MySQL database protocol support for the Asterisk PBX
>  Asterisk is an Open Source PBX and telephony toolkit.
> This package provides support for using a MySQL database to store
>  configuration, call detail records, and also provides generic access to
>  it from the dialplan.
>
>
> --
> Maderios
>
>

Samba / Domain Member

[Neo]

Hi dear Debian fellows

I have some Debian9 machines, which are joined to a W2K8 Windows AD.

I can succesfully login/auth to the domain, but it keeps crashing 
somehow. I see quickly the login msg, but then its crashing me out.


There are no references in the logs.

As im a bit puzzled about whats state of the art of now, should i go for 
debug winbind or use sssd?


smbd --version
Version 4.5.8-Debian

cat /etc/krb5.conf
[logging]
default = FILE:/var/log/krb5libs.log
kdc = FILE:/var/log/krb5kdc.log
admin_server = FILE:/var/log/kadmind.log

[libdefaults]
default_realm = OURDOM.NET
dns_lookup_realm = false
dns_lookup_kdc = true
ticket_lifetime = 24h
renew_lifetime = 7d


cat /etc/samba/smb.conf
[global]

workgroup = ourdom
security = ADS
realm = our.realm.net

log file = /var/log/samba/%m.log
log level = 1

idmap config * : backend = tdb
idmap config * : range = 3000-7999

username map = /etc/samba/user.map

client signing = yes
client use spnego = yes
dedicated keytab file = /etc/krb5.keytab
kerberos method = secrets and keytab

winbind refresh tickets = yes
winbind trusted domains only = no
winbind use default domain = yes
winbind enum users  = yes
winbind enum groups = yes

Any clues?

Thank you.

Spacerat

Re: Hibernate in stretch

[solitone]

On my previous laptop with jessie hibernation didn't work. On my current 
laptop with stretch hibernation doesn't work either.

During the several updates that interested stretch in the last few months, the 
symptoms changed, and I don't remember exactly their evolution at the moment. 
Currently, when the system resumes, after a few boot messages, everthing 
stalls on a black screen. I don't even get the login screen.

On Tuesday, July 18, 2017, 8:20:34 AM GMT+4:30, Lck Ras  
wrote:
> Are you sure you have enough swap space? You generally need 1.5x your
> total memory if order to hibernate safely.

1,5x? I thought 1x would be enough:

~$ free -m
  totalusedfree  shared  buff/cache  available
Mem:   789039061358 6112625   3070
Swap:  7629   07629
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Re: Hibernate in stretch

[solitone]

On Thursday, 20 July 2017 02:28:32 CEST behrad eslami wrote:
> I increase swap and have same problem yet. 

Did you increased the swap partition, or are you using a swap file?
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Re: Les cyber menaces basculent vers Linux et les serveurs Web

[Thierry Bugier Pineau]

Tant qu'à faire, si vous voulez rire un peu

http://www.linuxgenuineadvantage.org/

Le 22 juillet 2017 14:05:57 GMT+02:00, Charles Plessy  a 
écrit :
>Le Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 11:29:47AM +0200, Alain Rpnpif a écrit :
>> 
>> Bien sûr mais Windows pousse aussi au crime avec la facilité
>> d'installation des programmes exotiques, ce qui est plus difficile
>sous
>> Linux et sous Debian en particulier car l'installation d'un programme
>> est plus compliquée (en partie à dessein) pour un débutant.
>
>Sous Linux il y a quand même l'infâme « curl
>http://example.com/fais-moi-confiance.sh | sudo bash - »...
>
>Amicalement,
>
>-- 
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>Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japon

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Re: Publipostage avec QR Code.

[Vincent Bain]

Le samedi 22 juillet 2017 à 11:46 +0200, Olivier a écrit :
> 
> 
> Le 22 juillet 2017 à 11:28, Vincent Bain  a écrit :
> Bonjour
> 
> oui chez moi cela fonctionne, 
> 
> 
> Pour dissiper tout malentendu, voici comment je procède (avec glabels
> installé mais pas qrencode, seulement libqrencode3):
> 
> 
> - je lance glabels (version 3.0.1),
> 
> - je clique sur le bouton pour générer un nouveau document: je
> sélectionne un modèle d'étiquette (Brother DK-11209 dans mon cas), une
> orientation (normale) et j'applique
> 
> - je clique sur l'image de l'étiquette
> 
> - je clique sur le bouton "Créer un objet code barre"
> 
> - je clique sur l'image de l'étiquette pour coller le code barre sur
> l'image de l'étiquette

jusque là, je procède comme toi

> 
> - sur la partie droite, j'ai les propriétés de l'objet code barre
> 
> 
> Quel style choisir pour avoir un QR Code ?
> 
> Les choix que glabels me propose, sont:
> 
> 
> POSTNET (tous)
> 
> POSTNET-5
> POSTNET-9
> POSTNET-11
> 
> CEPNET
> 
> Code One
> 
> Code 39
> Code 39 étendu

Dans l'onglet "Style" je sélectionne "QREncode" dans le menu déroulant
"Arrière-plan"

HTH !
Vincent.

Re: problème python3 sur un apt-get upgrade

[Vincent Bain]

Le jeudi 20 juillet 2017 à 09:51 +0200, Alexandre Hoïde a écrit :
>   Dans ce cas, il est possible de changer le marquage des paquets que
> l'on souhaite conserver à l'aide de « aptitude » ou de « apt-mark ».
> Ces
> deux logiciels utilisent les mêmes données stockées dans
> « /var/lib/apt/extended_states ».

Ah benh non, le mécanisme de marquage m'était inconnu. Merci pour
l'astuce...

V.

Re: Upgrade jessie et 604 paquets non mis à jour

[maderios]

On 07/22/2017 06:50 AM, steve wrote:

Le 21-07-2017, à 23:03:10 +0200, André Debian a écrit :



Tu ne passeras jamais à jessie en mettant "stable' dans le sources.list
La stable actuelle, c'est stretch.
Que vient faire un ppa dans debian? Trinity, etc, un tel sources.list
n'est pas fait pour marcher, ubuntu et debian sont par ailleurs
incompatibles.

#sources.list pour passer à jessie
#JESSIE
deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free
deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free

#sources.list pour passer à stretch
#STRETCH
deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main contrib non-free
deb http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates main contrib non-free


2 lignes suffisent alors ?


Pour la mise à niveau oui. Je commencerais par ça (et toujours la sainte
trinité apt-get update puis apt-get upgrade puis apt-get distupgrade) et
gardant le reste commenté. Puis j'ajouterais la ligne pour les backports

# backports
deb http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian stretch-backports main contrib

et celle pour le multimédia (plus sûr que ça soit nécessaire,
madereis ?)


deb http://www.deb-multimedia.org stretch main non-free

J'ai abandonné deb-multimedia parce que, désormais, debian fournit les 
paquets multimedia dont j'ai besoin. Par contre, deb-multimedia est 
incontournable pour les programmes comportant des problèmes de license.



avec à chaque fois la sainte trinité entre.

Un redémarrage doit être nécessaire lors du passage du noyau de jessie à
celui de stretch.


Et le gros conseil à retenir : ne jamais mettre le nom stable dans son
sources.list mais plutôt sont petit nom du moment, ici stretch. Si tu
l'avais suivi avant le passage de jessie vers stretch, tu n'aurais pas
eu tes problèmes.



Exact et inversement, quand on veut rester en testing, on ne met pas 
'buster' mais 'testing' sinon on se retrouve bloqué en stable dans deux 
ans...



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Re: problème python3 sur un apt-get upgrade

[Alexandre Hoïde]

On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 03:29:29PM +0200, Vincent Bain wrote:
> Le jeudi 20 juillet 2017 à 09:51 +0200, Alexandre Hoïde a écrit :
>> SI ces paquets -- qui te sont très utiles -- 
>> 1. ont été installés automatiquement (marqués « auto-installed »)
>>* tu peux le vérifier de plusieurs manières, dont « apt-mark » et
>>  « aptitude »
>> ET QUE
>> 2. le paquet ayant déclenché leur installation, par [cascade de]
>> dépendances a été supprimé par la suite
>> ALORS
>> 3. il est normal que apt-get t'en propose la suppression à chaque
>> upgrade.
>> 
>>   Dans ce cas, il est possible de changer le marquage des paquets que
>> l'on souhaite conserver à l'aide de « aptitude » ou de « apt-mark ». Ces
>> deux logiciels utilisent les mêmes données stockées dans
>> « /var/lib/apt/extended_states ».
> >   Dans ce cas, il est possible de changer le marquage des paquets que
> > l'on souhaite conserver à l'aide de « aptitude » ou de « apt-mark ».
> > Ces
> > deux logiciels utilisent les mêmes données stockées dans
> > « /var/lib/apt/extended_states ».
> 
> Ah benh non, le mécanisme de marquage m'était inconnu. Merci pour
> l'astuce...

  Je t'en prie !

  J'en profite pour corriger le point 2 :
>> […] ET QUE
   2. il ne reste aucun paquet installé qui dépende [in]directement des
   paquets marqués « auto-installed »
>> ALORS

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Re: [HS] Re: MariaDB / Mysql (Debian vs GPL en général)

[maderios]

On 07/22/2017 03:42 PM, Olivier wrote:
Ce paquet asterisk-mysql dont j'ignorais l'existence, apporte-t-il une 
connectivité MySQL native ou par ODBC ?
En lisant les dépendances, j'ai l'impression qu'il s'agit de la première 
solution, non ?



Quelle première solution?
asterisk-mysql est dispo dans stretch, buster et sid.
Il faut tester, sinon, il existe également un paquet .deb 
'mariadb-plugin-connect' pour stretch, buster et sid:

Package: mariadb-plugin-connect (10.1.23-9+deb9u1)
Connect storage engine for MariaDB
Connect engine supports a number of file formats (dbf, xml, txt, bin, 
etc), connections to ODBC tables and remote MySQL tables, as well as a 
number of other interesting features. This package contains the Connect 
plugin for MariaDB.

https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=names=mariadb-plugin-connect


Le 20 juillet 2017 à 18:12, maderios > a écrit :


On 07/20/2017 05:46 PM, Olivier wrote:

Bonjour,

J'ai noté la suppression dans Stretch du paquet libmyodbc pour
cause d'obsolesence de ce paquet.
Cette suppression est bloquante pour des projets comme Asterisk
qui marginalement, il est vrai, s'intègre à MySQL via ODBC.
Je n'ai pas l'impression que la Galaxie MariaDB a un équivalent
mais je serai ravi d'avoir tort.

Si quelqu'un avait un conseil pratique sur le contournement de
cette difficulté, je serai très curieux d'en savoir plus.

Un petit coup de pub pour Buster: asterisk-mysql n'est pas dépendant
de mysql mais de mariadb
Package: asterisk-mysql
Source: asterisk (1:13.14.1~dfsg-2)
Version: 1:13.14.1~dfsg-2+b1
Installed-Size: 850
Maintainer: Debian VoIP Team
>
Architecture: amd64
Depends: asterisk (= 1:13.14.1~dfsg-2+b1), libc6 (>= 2.14),
libmariadbclient18 (>= 5.5.36), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4)
Description-en: MySQL database protocol support for the Asterisk PBX
  Asterisk is an Open Source PBX and telephony toolkit.
This package provides support for using a MySQL database to store
  configuration, call detail records, and also provides generic
access to
  it from the dialplan.


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Re: Free software

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 22 July 2017 07:25:27 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Friday, July 21, 2017 11:49:04 PM Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Not hardly, the vesa standard, and the cards that support it cannot
> > do more that 15 frames a second, at nowhere near the resolution we
> > need, which these days is 1920P @ 60 fps. You can buy $90 monitors
> > at wallies that can do that today.  I just did 90 days ago.
>
> Why do you need 1920P @ 60 fps?  I thought you were referring to the
> needs of your machine shop, but, clearly, the next paragraph
> contradicts that...
>
Why so? I get the 1920P ok, and thats nice with ageing, diabetic 
eyesight.  Its the fps that suffers in this case. Watching htop while 
its running the machine for very long, and theres plenty of cpu to 
spare. The slow fps is clearly the fault of the usb2 pinhole all the 
data that is not gpio related, has to get thru before it gets to the 
hdmi interface and the monitor.

hdparm pretty much detects that, here is a terabyte drive plugged into 
the usb plugs:

pi@picncsheldon:~ $ sudo hdparm -tT /dev/sda3

/dev/sda3:
 Timing cached reads:   866 MB in  2.00 seconds = 433.15 MB/sec
 Timing buffered disk reads:  78 MB in  3.01 seconds =  25.94 MB/sec

Note the nearly 20x slower reads when it has to go thru the usb2 sized 
pinhole. The sd card fares even worse but throws an error:

pi@picncsheldon:~ $ sudo hdparm -tT /dev/mmcblk0p1

/dev/mmcblk0p1:
 Timing cached reads:   BLKFLSBUF failed: Operation not permitted
824 MB in  2.00 seconds = 411.42 MB/sec
BLKFLSBUF failed: Operation not permitted
 Timing buffered disk reads:  40 MB in  1.92 seconds =  20.87 MB/sec
BLKFLSBUF failed: Operation not permitted

I want to see those results from a rock64..  I'll expect something more 
like this:
root@coyote:~# hdparm -tT /dev/sda1

/dev/sda1:
 Timing cached reads:   3330 MB in  2.00 seconds = 1664.90 MB/sec
 Timing buffered disk reads: 534 MB in  3.01 seconds = 177.48 MB/sec

About 8.5x faster.

> > Define accelerated Ric. That 1920P @ 60 fps is nominally twice as
> > fast as the human eye can discern. I can be quite happy at 30fps,
> > interlaced, and I do not have a machine that cannot do at least
> > that, except an r-pi 3b, and I'm waiting to see if there are any
> > show stoppers in the 4Gb of ram you get with a rock64, which ships
> > with an even faster cpu, and claims no usb2 speed i/o bottleneck
> > which is currently killing the pi on my bigger lathe.  The pi's
> > video is maybe 7 fps, slow enough to be a bother, but it runs the
> > machine with only an occasional stumble for 4 or 5 milliseconds.  It
> > has not functionally damaged a workpiece yet. (knock knock)

I put the swap on the r-pi out to a hard drive, so the sd card might last 
a little longer. But it made no difference in apt's speed doing major 
updates since both paths have to go thru that usb2 pinhole. The rock64 
claims to eliminate that, so I'll be most carefully watching their forum 
in the weeks after it ships.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: Upgrade jessie et 604 paquets non mis à jour

[maderios]

On 07/21/2017 11:03 PM, andre_deb...@numericable.fr wrote:


#sources.list pour passer à jessie
#JESSIE
deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free
deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free

#sources.list pour passer à stretch
#STRETCH
deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main contrib non-free
deb http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates main contrib non-free


2 lignes suffisent alors ?

Oui et d'ailleurs, tout ceci est bien expliqué dans la doc debian ==> 
RTFM :)


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Re: Free software

[rhkramer]

On Friday, July 21, 2017 11:49:04 PM Gene Heskett wrote:
> Not hardly, the vesa standard, and the cards that support it cannot do
> more that 15 frames a second, at nowhere near the resolution we need,
> which these days is 1920P @ 60 fps. You can buy $90 monitors at wallies
> that can do that today.  I just did 90 days ago.

Why do you need 1920P @ 60 fps?  I thought you were referring to the needs of 
your machine shop, but, clearly, the next paragraph contradicts that...

> Define accelerated Ric. That 1920P @ 60 fps is nominally twice as fast as
> the human eye can discern. I can be quite happy at 30fps, interlaced,
> and I do not have a machine that cannot do at least that, except an r-pi
> 3b, and I'm waiting to see if there are any show stoppers in the 4Gb of
> ram you get with a rock64, which ships with an even faster cpu, and
> claims no usb2 speed i/o bottleneck which is currently killing the pi on
> my bigger lathe.  The pi's video is maybe 7 fps, slow enough to be a
> bother, but it runs the machine with only an occasional stumble for 4 or
> 5 milliseconds.  It has not functionally damaged a workpiece yet. (knock
> knock)

Re: Les cyber menaces basculent vers Linux et les serveurs Web

[Thierry Bugier Pineau]

Bonjour

Un sujet de BAC philosophie :

Windows est il un crime ?

(Fin de troll) :)



Le 22 juillet 2017 11:29:47 GMT+02:00, Alain Rpnpif  a écrit :
>Le 21 juillet 2017, Pierre L. a écrit :
>
>> Mais je pense qu'il faut quand même ajouter que pour les postes sous
>> Windows (et autres en fait !), la "survie" de l'OS dépend grandement
>de
>> l'utilisation de la machine ! ou plutôt de son utilisateur...
>> Nous avons tous eu la tata ou le cousin qui installe n'importe quelle
>> drouille trouvée sur le net, et paff pollution du navigateur, de la
>> machine, etc...
>> Oui, une machine requiert une certaine hygiène d'utilisation de la
>part
>> de son propriétaire... Pour moi le problème majeur restera toujours
>le
>> gugusse sur les clavier/souris !
>> 
>> On avait un prof en info à l'époque qui nous expliquait que la pire
>> menace lors de l'administration de son réseau venait principalement
>de
>> "l'intérieur"... je pense aujourd'hui qu'il avait bel et bien raison
>!
>> Des utilisateurs bien avertis et éduqués limiteront grandement la
>> propagation de saletés...
>
>Bien sûr mais Windows pousse aussi au crime avec la facilité
>d'installation des programmes exotiques, ce qui est plus difficile sous
>Linux et sous Debian en particulier car l'installation d'un programme
>est plus compliquée (en partie à dessein) pour un débutant. Le système
>des dépôts Debian est aussi un atout en faveur de Linux... recopié par
>Google pour son Android mais de façon plus libérale au sens picsou,
>euh,
>économique du terme.
>
>Viva La Debianade !
>
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Re: Can "PulseAudio Volume Control" devs be redeemed?

[Ansgar Burchardt]

Erik Christiansen writes:
> Aha, if the "PulseAudio Volume Control" window is manually widened, the
> suppressed tabs become visible. Is it then the Debian 9.0.0 distro-smiths
> who have set too small a window size in their LXDE menu item invocation?

It seems to remember what size it was last started with. So if a user
decides to make it small and hide stuff, it will remember the user's
wishes.

Now, the problem is that users don't know what they want, act
irrational, will never remember what they did earlier (how often does
one hear "I did nothing, but everything broke"?) and blame everything on
the software developer. Not to forget some even come up with conspiracy
theories how Microsoft paid people to make the application window
smaller ;-)

Ansgar

Re: Publipostage avec QR Code.

[Olivier]

Le 22 juillet 2017 à 11:28, Vincent Bain  a écrit :

> Bonjour
>
> oui chez moi cela fonctionne,


Pour dissiper tout malentendu, voici comment je procède (avec glabels
installé mais pas qrencode, seulement libqrencode3):

- je lance glabels (version 3.0.1),
- je clique sur le bouton pour générer un nouveau document: je sélectionne
un modèle d'étiquette (Brother DK-11209 dans mon cas), une orientation
(normale) et j'applique
- je clique sur l'image de l'étiquette
- je clique sur le bouton "Créer un objet code barre"
- je clique sur l'image de l'étiquette pour coller le code barre sur
l'image de l'étiquette
- sur la partie droite, j'ai les propriétés de l'objet code barre

Quel style choisir pour avoir un QR Code ?
Les choix que glabels me propose, sont:

POSTNET (tous)
POSTNET-5
POSTNET-9
POSTNET-11
CEPNET
Code One
Code 39
Code 39 étendu


As-tu une liste différente où figurerait un style QR Code ?



> je suis (plus pour longtemps) sous Jessie.
> Je note que le code généré par glabels-3 (version 3.0.1) n'est pas
> identique à celui généré à la console avec qrencode, mais à la lecture
> avec zbarimg, le contenu est déchiffré correctement.
>
> $ qrencode --version
> qrencode version 3.4.3
> Copyright (C) 2006-2012 Kentaro Fukuchi
>
> $ zbarimg --version
> 0.10
>
> Bonne journée,
> Vincent
>
>
> Le samedi 22 juillet 2017 à 10:20 +0200, Olivier a écrit :
> > Bonjour,
> >
> >
> > Je souhaite imprimer par publipostage une série d'étiquettes
> > d'inventaire incluant un QR Code.
> >
> > J'utilise un PC sous Jessie, pour l'instant.
> >
> >
> >
> > Je connais glabels qui permet de faire un publipostage avec code barre
> > au format Code 39 ou 128 mais je n'ai pas réussi à le faire au format
> > QR Code.
> >
> >
> > Pourtant en lisant [1], les auteurs indiquent que le support des QR
> > Codes est possible depuis la version 3.0.X de glabels via zint ou
> > qrencode.
> >
> > Comme j'observe tant sur Jessie que sur Stretch, glabels dépend de
> > libqrencode3, j'en déduis qu'il n'est pas impossible que glabels sache
> > imprimer des QR codes.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Mes questions:
> >
> >
> > 1. Avez-vous réussi à imprimer un QR Code avec glabels (sans importer
> > d'image PNG) ? Si oui, quelle est votre secret ?
> >
> > 2. Avez-vous une autre recommandation ?
> >
> > Slts
> >
> >
> > [1] https://sourceforge.net/p/glabels/feature-requests/85/
> >
>
>
>

Re: Can "PulseAudio Volume Control" devs be redeemed?

[Erik Christiansen]

On 22.07.17 09:36, Curt wrote:
> On 2017-07-22, Ric Moore  wrote:
> > On 07/22/2017 12:51 AM, Erik Christiansen wrote:
> >
> >> There is no rational explanation for failing to make all 5 tabs visible.
> >
> > No idea what your problem is, I have always been able to see the tabs. Ric
> >
> 
> Me neither. I've got all five. Ordinary display size here. 
> 
> I've read that the HDMI output on the Udoo depends on the S/PDIF control and
> installing pulseaudio mutes it. Maybe that has something to do with "The
> Mysterious Case of the Hidden Tabs." 

Aha, if the "PulseAudio Volume Control" window is manually widened, the
suppressed tabs become visible. Is it then the Debian 9.0.0 distro-smiths
who have set too small a window size in their LXDE menu item invocation?

It is cruel that so small an error causes such a reduction in usability.

Erik

Re: More Pulseaudio Issues

[Curt]

On 2017-07-22, michael.e.milli...@gmail.com  
wrote:
> This is a revisit of previous threads dealing with pulseaudio and
> bluetooth devices.  This problem is that there are two instances of the
>  pulseaudio daemon running on the system.  One for user Debian-gdm and
> the other for the local user.  I have searched the debian user list
> archives (as I've seen and dealt with this problem before but forgot
> how to fix it) and none of the previously used solutions to this
> problem work anymore.
>

Any help here?

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Talk:Bluetooth_headset#GDMs_pulseaudio_instance_captures_bluetooth_headset



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Re: Can "PulseAudio Volume Control" devs be redeemed?

[Curt]

On 2017-07-22, Erik Christiansen  wrote:
> On 22.07.17 09:36, Curt wrote:
>> On 2017-07-22, Ric Moore  wrote:
>> > On 07/22/2017 12:51 AM, Erik Christiansen wrote:
>> >
>> >> There is no rational explanation for failing to make all 5 tabs visible.
>> >
>> > No idea what your problem is, I have always been able to see the tabs. Ric
>> >
>> 
>> Me neither. I've got all five. Ordinary display size here. 
>> 
>> I've read that the HDMI output on the Udoo depends on the S/PDIF control and
>> installing pulseaudio mutes it. Maybe that has something to do with "The
>> Mysterious Case of the Hidden Tabs." 
>
> Aha, if the "PulseAudio Volume Control" window is manually widened, the
> suppressed tabs become visible. Is it then the Debian 9.0.0 distro-smiths
> who have set too small a window size in their LXDE menu item invocation?

Calling all LXDE Debian 9.0.0 "PulseAudio Volume Control" users for
theory validation.

Of course, we assume you didn't "manually" fiddle with the geometry of
the window during some previous invocation, which fiddling it
inconveniently remembered to your profound and vocal dismay.

I mean, we're talking pristine window here, geometrically speaking,
right?

> It is cruel that so small an error causes such a reduction in usability.

Butterfly.

> Erik
>
>


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Re: Les cyber menaces basculent vers Linux et les serveurs Web

[Pierre L.]

Effectivement!
Bon il est aussi beaucoup plus facile de trouver une machine équipée de
Windows dans 100% des boutiques qui vendent de l'informatique (hors des
statistiques les Apple center...),
par contre dans ces même boutiques ca parait difficile de mettre la main
sur au moins un Ubuntu version super bureau qui tourne en 3D avec flat
design et couleurs moroses actuellement à la mode.
Donc par conséquent, la "population" est plus facilement touchée par ce
fléau. Linux est à mon avis plus pour un public averti... qui aura
forcément fait le pas un jour ou l'autre !



Le 22/07/2017 à 11:29, Alain Rpnpif a écrit :
> Bien sûr mais Windows pousse aussi au crime avec la facilité
> d'installation des programmes exotiques, ce qui est plus difficile sous
> Linux et sous Debian en particulier car l'installation d'un programme
> est plus compliquée (en partie à dessein) pour un débutant. Le système
> des dépôts Debian est aussi un atout en faveur de Linux... recopié par
> Google pour son Android mais de façon plus libérale au sens picsou, euh,
> économique du terme.
>
> Viva La Debianade !
>




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Re: Les cyber menaces basculent vers Linux et les serveurs Web

[Charles Plessy]

Le Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 11:29:47AM +0200, Alain Rpnpif a écrit :
> 
> Bien sûr mais Windows pousse aussi au crime avec la facilité
> d'installation des programmes exotiques, ce qui est plus difficile sous
> Linux et sous Debian en particulier car l'installation d'un programme
> est plus compliquée (en partie à dessein) pour un débutant.

Sous Linux il y a quand même l'infâme « curl 
http://example.com/fais-moi-confiance.sh | sudo bash - »...

Amicalement,

-- 
Charles Plessy
Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japon