Re: For all specimens of Homo sapiens - about COVID19

[Curt]

On 2020-04-20, Steve McIntyre  wrote:
> n...@n0nb.us wrote:
>>
>>Seems our old friend Bill Gates (remember him?) is behind much of this
>>push for a required vaccination and also, according to some sources,
>>wants everyone to be chipped, as in having a permanent RF ID microchip
>>embedded somewhere on the body.  Will there be the ability to opt out of
>>this chipping nonsense?  Stay tuned.
>
> This is very much off-topic for debian-user, please take it elsewhere?
>

I was going to opine precisely in your direction but then told myself
that Andrei had just published an OP whose assertion was that one
shouldn't respond to spam, because in doing so you screw and skew the
filtering out process vis-à-vis the archives (which OP quickly and
irrevocably and kind of dumbly devolved into a thread about "bounce")
and that the original article here was surely 100% bona fide spam (a
mere glance at the subject line being sufficient to arrive at that
determination).

Isn't it? Of course, you're not Andrei, either. 

Re: pourquoi mes réponses mettent-elles une demi-journée avant d'être publiées ?

[ajh-valmer]

On Monday 20 April 2020 18:40:38 NoSpam wrote:
> Ton problèmne est OVH, regarde les entêtes. 35 minutes de perte chez eux.

Excuses, mon précédent mail : pas "pandémis" mais pandémie.

J'ai un serveur chez OVH (kimsufi) et un autre chez Online.
OVH : transfert de 15Go = 48 heures,
Online : transfert de 15Go = 1 heure.

Mais serait-ce la cause ?

Re: SMS

[Klaus Becker]

Le 20/04/2020 à 12:24, Klaus Becker a écrit :

Bonjour,

je voudrais pouvoir lire et écrire des SMS sous Debian.

J'ai installé sms4you, mais il me dit :

"$ sms4you
Error: Either XMPP or Email must be configured, but not both!
Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "/usr/bin/sms4you", line 77, in 
     main()
   File "/usr/bin/sms4you", line 51, in main
     config = Configuration(args.configfile, VERSION)
   File "/usr/lib/sms4you/sms4you/core/configuration.py", line 38, in 
__init__

     raise ValueError
ValueError"

Est-ce qu'il y a qn qui a de l'expérience avec les SMS sous Debian ?

merci

Klaus


J'ai installé Pushbullet sur mon tél et sous Firefox. Il y a plein 
d'applis comme ça, surtout pour Android.


Je vous tiendrai au courant sur son utilité.

ciao

Klaus

Re: Netbeans/Java Tutorial - Hangs

[Kent West]

On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 8:26 PM local10  wrote:

>
> > Tutorial = https://netbeans.org/kb/docs/java/quickstart.html
> >
> > It's like the process to create the new project hangs.>
> > Ideas? Suggestions? (I'm pretty green/new with both IDEs and Java.)
>
>
> You'll have more luck asking this question on the Netbeans user list.
> Possible reason: check what JDK you use to run Netbeans 10 and whether it
> can run properly on JDK 11 or 15.
>
> Regards,
>
>
Thank you for the response.

I didn't have a strong drive to get too familiar with either Java (I can do
"Hello, World" without an IDE) or Netbeans (or Eclipse, which I couldn't
get to work either), and after looking at my problem just a little (at the
log files, etc, and how much *stuff* was in the background), I'm reminded
of how much me and my fellow staff hated trying to keep our university's
enterprise software (Banner) working over the past twenty years because of
Java/version compatibility issues, and just realized, "Why? Why would I
want to support that morass of fragile complexity?" The fact that neither
Eclipse nor NetBeans works "out of the box" on Debian just adds to that
sentiment.

I think I'll stick with tinkering in Python, Bash, C, and Julia, at least
for now.

-- 
Kent West<")))><
Westing Peacefully - http://kentwest.blogspot.com

Re: pourquoi mes réponses mettent-elles une demi-journée avant d'être publiées ?

[ajh-valmer]

On Monday 20 April 2020 19:12:40 B. S. wrote:
> On 20/04/2020 18:58, ajh-valmer wrote:
> > On Monday 20 April 2020 18:40:38 NoSpam wrote:
> >> Ton problèmne est OVH, regarde les entêtes. 35 minutes de perte chez eux.

> > J'ai un serveur chez OVH (kimsufi) et un autre chez Online.
> > OVH : transfert de 15Go = 48 heures,
> > Online : transfert de 15Go = 1 heure.
> > Mais serait-ce la cause ?

Encore et toujours reçu en 3 exemplaires ! :-)

> A quel tarif loues tu chacun de ces serveurs ? :

- Online = serveur dédié offert grâce à une relation,
  avec console de récupération KVM Idrac (Dell),
  indispensable pour dépanner, on peut tout faire,
  comme si on était physiquement devant le serveur.

- Kimsufi = 19.90€ / mois (serveur dédié) au Canada,
  pas de console de récupération.
  Si panne, souvent il faut réinstaller le système.

> kimsufi est pas cher, mais on en a pour son argent :

Einstein disait, "si c'est pas cher c'est que ça ne vaut rien".
Je trouve le tarif cher et on a pas pour son argent :-)

Bonne soirée.

Re: SMS

[Jean-Marc]

Mon, 20 Apr 2020 12:24:56 +0200
Klaus Becker  écrivait :

> Bonjour,

salut Klaus,

> je voudrais pouvoir lire et écrire des SMS sous Debian.

Peut-être que gammu pourra t'aider :
https://wammu.eu/

C'est empaqueté pour Debian :
https://packages.debian.org/gammu

> [...]
> Est-ce qu'il y a qn qui a de l'expérience avec les SMS sous Debian ?

Jamais essayé.

> merci

De rien.  Bonne journée.

> Klaus
> 


Jean-Marc 
https://6jf.be/keys/ED863AD1.txt


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Re: pourquoi mes réponses mettent-elles une demi-journée avant d'être publiées ?

[François LE GAD]

Le 20/04/2020 à 16:42, Jean-Marc a écrit :

J'ai envoyé un mail à 13h20 en réponse à une question.

Il est 16h45 et je ne la vois toujours pas arriver.


Tu n'aurais pas répondu à l'expéditeur au lieu de répondre à la liste ?

--
François

[DEBIAN-BR]Re: Preciso contato

[Gilberto F da Silva]

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On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 09:54:59PM -0300, China wrote:
Vcs não entenderam? Enviem o WhatsApp de vcs pra ela. Poderiam ter feito isso
no privado sem poluir a lista. 

Aí quando ela fizer contato vcs enviam pra ela o código de 6 dígitos pra ela
gerar a segunda via do boleto. 

  Email é uma coisa cada vez mais fora de uso.  Quando o pessoal
  vai desativar esse serviço de listas do Debian?
  
- -- 

Stela dato:2.458.960,266  Loka tempo:2020-04-20 15:23:41 Lundo
- -==-
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muçulmanos e judeus -- todos demonstraram seu amor a Deus 
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Re: pourquoi mes réponses mettent-elles une demi-journée avant d'être publiées ?

[Basile Starynkevitch]

On 20/04/2020 18:58, ajh-valmer wrote:

On Monday 20 April 2020 18:40:38 NoSpam wrote:

Ton problèmne est OVH, regarde les entêtes. 35 minutes de perte chez eux.

Excuses, mon précédent mail : pas "pandémis" mais pandémie.

J'ai un serveur chez OVH (kimsufi) et un autre chez Online.
OVH : transfert de 15Go = 48 heures,
Online : transfert de 15Go = 1 heure.

Mais serait-ce la cause ?



A quel tarif loues tu chacun de ces serveurs?


kimsufi est pas cher, mais on en a pour son argent.


--
Basile Starynkevitch - http://starynkevitch.net/Basile/
Bourg La Reine, France  
opinions are only mine - les opinions sont seulement miennes

[DEBIAN-BR]Re: Preciso contato

[Gilberto F da Silva]

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On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 12:41:13PM +0200, Helio Loureiro wrote:
Claro.  A lista que tem 5 mensagens por ano passar a ter 10.  Uma catástrofe.

./helio


A configuração da lista do Debian, a despeito da qualidade da
distribuição, sempre foi uma porcaria.

- Qualquer um pode enviar mensagens para a lista.

- Ela nunca incluiu o nome no campo assunto.

- -- 

Stela dato:2.458.960,280  Loka tempo:2020-04-20 15:43:50 Lundo
- -==-
A pesquisa científica é uma das bases da civilização atual: dela 
dependem a saúde, o bem-estar, a riqueza, o poder e até a 
independência das nações. Estamos numa era científica.
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Re: Kind reminder: please don't reply to and/or quote spam, ever

[Russell L. Harris]

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 10:53:47AM -0500, David Wright wrote:

Oh, this was explicitly about Thunderbird's ":exec bounce-message"?
I missed that bit, sorry for that. Will re-read.



If this is so, then : must be an active character in order to
introduce the string "exec". I see no mention of : in that role on
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/keyboard-shortcuts
so we need some clarification.



It's always seemed futile to me to bounce an entire message back to
the sender: after all, they sent it, they know what was in it, and
have probably retained a copy (if it's non-trivial).
its usefulness if you work within a group of cooperating colleagues,
where each is taking responsibility for different aspects.



Otherwise, forwarding seems more appropriate and polite. But there are
two forms of fowarding (at least in mutt): as a separate attachment,
or as part of your own email (like with top-posting). In the latter
case (with mutt), you can see that you're only forwarding whichever
parts of the original header that you were displaying at the time.


I think I misspoke, saying "Thunderbird" rather than "neo-mutt"; the
":exec bounce-message" is the way to BOUNCE in neo-mutt, not in
Thunderbird.  Forgive me.

BOUNCE also is termed REDIRECT.  To REDIRECT in Thunderbird, it
appears necessary to install a plug-in.

As I understand it, BOUNCING or REDIRECTION relays a message in the
most pristine form available, preserving the header, whereas
FORWARDING allows you to make changes to the message.  This is (or
should be) true, irrespective of the mail user agent.  I cannot speak
with authority regarding the difference between REPLY and FORWARD.

If I receive spam and wish to report it to my ISP, I BOUNCE the
message, so as not to disturb the "evidence" or "scene of the crime".
Likewise, a message which may be criminial in nature (threat,
extortion, pornography), should be BOUNCED to law enforcement and to
the ISP, to facilitate tracing.

A message may be BOUNCED or FORWARDED to anyone, including the sender
(unless the sender has used a fictitious address, which typically is
the case with malicious messages).

Neo-mutt documentation led me to believe that there is a "b" command
(or something of the sort) for BOUNCE; but I did not find it, perhaps
because I use the "Classic Dvorak" keymap.  I then discovered that
commands not tied to a key can be executed with ":exec ".

RLH

Re: pourquoi mes réponses mettent-elles une demi-journée avant d'être publiées ?

[Bernardo]

Bonsoir,

ce que j'ai remarqué :

si j'écris à la liste avec le compte mail avec lequel je me suis inscris
sur la liste : ça passe tout de suite ;-)

Si j'utilise un compte mail différent, ça met plusieurs heures... :-(

Le 20/04/2020 à 16:42, Jean-Marc a écrit :
> salut la liste,
> 
> Une idée pourquoi mes réponses mettent-elles si longtemps avant d'être 
> publiées sur cette liste ?
> 
> J'ai envoyé un mail à 13h20 en réponse à une question.
> 
> Il est 16h45 et je ne la vois toujours pas arriver.
> 
> D'autre que moi font-ils face au même soucis ?
> 
> Bonne soirée.
> 
> Jean-Marc 
> https://6jf.be/keys/ED863AD1.txt
> 

-- 
Cordialement,
Bernardo.

L'homme est un être raisonnable, mais les hommes le sont-ils ?
-+- Raymond Aron, Dimensions de la conscience historique -+-

Re: Debian is testing Discourse

[Celejar]

On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 10:19:13 +0300
Andrei POPESCU  wrote:

...

> about Debian on non-Debian platforms (like StackExchange), the other one 
> being the Arch's wiki (significantly better than Debian's).

Everyone loves the Arch wiki - I've long wondered why it's so much
better than ours. Do they just have more community-minded users?

Celejar

Re: pourquoi mes réponses mettent-elles une demi-journée avant d'être publiées ?

[Christophe]

Hello,

Le 20/04/2020 à 16:42, Jean-Marc a écrit :

salut la liste,

Une idée pourquoi mes réponses mettent-elles si longtemps avant d'être publiées 
sur cette liste ?

J'ai envoyé un mail à 13h20 en réponse à une question.

Il est 16h45 et je ne la vois toujours pas arriver.

Pour expliquer le phénomène :

Ton mail est finalement arrivé, mais si on regarde les entêtes :

X-Greylist: delayed 14998 seconds by postgrey-1.36 at bendel; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 
16:08:29 UTC

Il est resté en grey-list (https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greylisting) 
pendant plus de 4 heures sur le serveur de mail de debian.


Deux raisons possible à cela :

 * Le relai OVH (4.mo175.mail-out.ovh.net [46.105.33.220]) n'a pas
   tenté de renvoyer le mail pendant les 4 heures suivant la première
   tentative d'envoi => pourquoi pas, mais ce serait étonnant.
 * Ou, comme c'est le cas lors d'envois depuis Office365/Outlook.com,
   le relai d'envoi change à chaque tentative de livraison d'un même et
   unique mail => ça , c'est plus probable.

Le greylisting se base sur 3 facteurs : l'adresse mail de l'expéditeur, 
l'adresse mail du destinataire, et le relais mail utilisé pour livrer le 
mail.
Le passage de greylisting à whitelisting (et donc de livraison du mail 
initial) se fait si ce triplet de facteurs se représente à l'identique 
au bout de X minutes.


Si l'expéditeur (en l'occurrence OVH) fait varier le facteur "relai" 
entre deux tentatives de livraisons, ça repasse par une nouvelle 
validation sur le serveur qui reçoit le mail, ce qui donne lieu à ce 
genre de comportements.
Plus il y a de relais utilisés chez l'expéditeur, plus le délai de 
réception augmente chez le destinataire.


expedit...@domaine.fr => debian-user-french@lists.debian.org via relai 1 
(triplet inconnu donc stocké pour validation future)

au bout de X minutes :
expedit...@domaine.fr => debian-user-french@lists.debian.org via relai 2 
(triplet inconnu donc stocké pour validation future)

au bout de X minutes :
expedit...@domaine.fr => debian-user-french@lists.debian.org via relai 3 
(triplet inconnu donc stocké pour validation future)

au bout de X minutes :
expedit...@domaine.fr => debian-user-french@lists.debian.org via relai 4 
(triplet inconnu donc stocké pour validation future)

puis au bout de X minutes :
expedit...@domaine.fr => debian-user-french@lists.debian.org via relai 1 
(ah oui, celui la, on l'a vu tout à l'heure, on le connaît, on laisse 
passer).


S'il y a trop de relais on en arrive même à des cas, ou la deuxième 
tentative d'un relai unique dépasse le temps de grâce, et qui fait que 
le mail n'arrive jamais.
Il y a encore d'autres joyeusetés : à une époque les relais bbox.fr qui 
ne rententaient qu'au bout de 24 heures ...


La solution dans le cas présent : c'est d'inscrire l'adresse mail dans 
la white-list :

https://lists.debian.org/whitelist/

Source : Une discussion identique de 2017 ou Charles avait donné la 
solution en me répondant :)

https://lists.debian.org/debian-user-french/2017/03/msg00241.html

Christophe.

Re: pourquoi mes réponses mettent-elles une demi-journée avant d'être publiées ?

[NoSpam]

Ton problèmne est OVH, regarde les entêtes. 35 minutes de perte chez eux.

Le 20/04/2020 à 17:01, Jean-Marc a écrit :

Bon,

Je m'auto-réponds.

Un nouveau message, 5 minutes.

Une réponse à la question de Klaus envoyée il y a 3h40min, toujours en rade.

Mon nouveau post à la liste a trouvé un raccourci dans les méandres du net, ou 
quoi ?


Jean-Marc 
https://6jf.be/keys/ED863AD1.txt



Mon, 20 Apr 2020 16:42:44 +0200
Jean-Marc  écrivait :


salut la liste,

Une idée pourquoi mes réponses mettent-elles si longtemps avant d'être publiées 
sur cette liste ?

J'ai envoyé un mail à 13h20 en réponse à une question.

Il est 16h45 et je ne la vois toujours pas arriver.

D'autre que moi font-ils face au même soucis ?

Bonne soirée.

Jean-Marc 
https://6jf.be/keys/ED863AD1.txt

Re: pourquoi mes réponses mettent-elles une demi-journée avant d'être publiées ?

[NoSpam]

Le 20/04/2020 à 18:36, Bernardo a écrit :

Bonsoir,

ce que j'ai remarqué :

si j'écris à la liste avec le compte mail avec lequel je me suis inscris
sur la liste : ça passe tout de suite ;-)

Si j'utilise un compte mail différent, ça met plusieurs heures... :-(

Ca c'est normal, les messages doivent être validés.


Le 20/04/2020 à 16:42, Jean-Marc a écrit :

salut la liste,

Une idée pourquoi mes réponses mettent-elles si longtemps avant d'être publiées 
sur cette liste ?

J'ai envoyé un mail à 13h20 en réponse à une question.

Il est 16h45 et je ne la vois toujours pas arriver.

D'autre que moi font-ils face au même soucis ?

Bonne soirée.

Jean-Marc 
https://6jf.be/keys/ED863AD1.txt

Re: SMS

[garcia...@free.fr]

Le 20/04/2020 à 12:45, Basile Starynkevitch a écrit :



On 20/04/2020 12:24, Klaus Becker wrote:

Bonjour,

je voudrais pouvoir lire et écrire des SMS sous Debian.

J'ai installé sms4you, mais il me dit :

"$ sms4you
Error: Either XMPP or Email must be configured, but not both!
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/bin/sms4you", line 77, in 
    main()
  File "/usr/bin/sms4you", line 51, in main
    config = Configuration(args.configfile, VERSION)
  File "/usr/lib/sms4you/sms4you/core/configuration.py", line 38, in 
__init__

    raise ValueError
ValueError"

Est-ce qu'il y a qn qui a de l'expérience avec les SMS sous Debian ?



Moi personnellement non, mais si j'ai bien compris il faudrait faire 
appel à un web service qui pourrait ne pas être gratuit (mais peu cher).



Ou bien alors avoir une box internet qui saurait le faire. Ca doit 
dépend du fournisseur d'accès internet.



Pour ceux et celles qui ont (en France) une FreeBox Revolution 
https://www.free.fr/freebox/freebox-revolution/ savez vous si c'est 
possible?


(légalement la freebox est louée, mais tourne probablement sous Linux).

Autrement dit, est-ce que Free publie une web API pour envoyer 
programmatiquement des SMS? Si oui, laquelle?



Salut, chez free, gratuitement tu peux t'envoyer des sms, pratique pour 
la domotique.


https://www.freenews.fr/freenews-edition-nationale-299/free-mobile-170/nouvelle-option-notifications-par-sms-chez-free-mobile-14817


en bash ça marche avec:

CURL=/usr/bin/curl
URL=https://smsapi.free-mobile.fr/sendmsg
PASS=*
USER=*
MESSAGE="Hello world"
$CURL -k -X POST "$URL?user=$USER=$PASS=$MESSAGE"


Librement

--
Basile Starynkevitch -http://starynkevitch.net/Basile/
Bourg La Reine, France
opinions are only mine - les opinions sont seulement miennes



--

*Julien Garcia*

Re: Re : pourquoi mes réponses mettent-elles une demi-journée avant d'être publiées ?

[BERTRAND Joël]

nicolas.patr...@gmail.com a écrit :
> Le 20/04/2020 16:42:44, Jean-Marc a écrit :
> 
>> salut la liste,
> 
>> Une idée pourquoi mes réponses mettent-elles si longtemps avant d'être
>> publiées sur cette liste ?
> 
>> J'ai envoyé un mail à 13h20 en réponse à une question.
>> Il est 16h45 et je ne la vois toujours pas arriver.
> 
>> D'autre que moi font-ils face au même soucis ?
> 
> Chez moi, tout va bien avec Balsa.
> Ça ramouille un peu mais en moins d’une minute, c’est bon.

Bonsoir à tous,

J'ai mon propre serveur de mail et pour moi, ça fonctionne sans aucun
problème...

JKB

Re: Preciso contato

[Leonardo Ferreira]

Como disseram... O telegram tomou este espaço..

Em seg, 20 de abr de 2020 20:37, Thiago C. F. 
escreveu:

> Hoje em dia o Telegram esta sendo muito utilizado pela comunidade. Já os
> meios oficiais de contato, como pelo IRC por exemplo, esta parado, quase
> morto, infelizmente (pelo menos para mim, pois gostos dos meios oficiais).
> Gosto do IRC. Acho que gera uma certa nostalgia. Mas... como a maioria
> prefere a praticidade, logo estou também acompanhando o Debian Brasil pelo
> Telegram.
>
> Thiago C. F.
>
> Encontre o Que Precisar em Minha Loja Virtual:
> *www.magazinevoce.com.br/magazinelojadothiagocf
> *
>
> Fique ligado nas Ofertas Diárias: https://t.me/ofertas_diarias
>
> Meu blog: https://investimentosenegocios.wordpress.com/
>
>
> Em seg., 20 de abr. de 2020 às 19:19, Sinval Júnior 
> escreveu:
>
>> A lista no passado era tão ativa, 2008 e antes. Haviam diversos eventos,
>> Debian Day, etc Minha pergunta fica, o que aconteceu? Pessoas migraram
>> para outros meios de comunicação? Na época eu estava bem focado em Infra,
>> Hoje em desenvolvimeto. A sensação é qie debian passou a ser mais
>> utilizado, o Linux em geral. Qual a percepção dos senhores.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ao encaminhar esta mensagem, por favor:
>> 1 - Apague meu endereço eletrônico;
>> 2 - Encaminhe como Cópia Oculta (Cco ou BCc) aos seus destinatários.
>> Dificulte assim a disseminação de vírus, spams e banners.
>>
>> #=+
>> #!/usr/bin/env python
>> nome = 'Sinval Júnior'
>> email = 'sinvalju arroba gmail ponto com'
>> print nome
>> print email
>> #==+
>>
>>
>> Em seg., 20 de abr. de 2020 às 07:41, Helio Loureiro <
>> he...@loureiro.eng.br> escreveu:
>>
>>> Claro.  A lista que tem 5 mensagens por ano passar a ter 10.  Uma
>>> catástrofe.
>>>
>>> ./helio
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 18, 2020, 02:55 China  wrote:
>>>
 Vcs não entenderam? Enviem o WhatsApp de vcs pra ela. Poderiam ter
 feito isso no privado sem poluir a lista.

 Aí quando ela fizer contato vcs enviam pra ela o código de 6 dígitos
 pra ela gerar a segunda via do boleto.



 --
 Em sex, 17 de abr de 2020 18:39, Leonardo Ferreira <
 leoferreir...@gmail.com> escreveu:

> Oi?
>
> Em sex, 17 de abr de 2020 17:20, Helio Loureiro 
> escreveu:
>
>> Como assim?
>>
>> ./helio
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 19:18 Pamela Macedo 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ola boa tarde querianpor favor o contato do watssap para pedir 2via
>>> de boleto pkr favor poderia me passar por gentileza...
>>> Obgd des de ja
>>>
>>

Re: Kind reminder: please don't reply to and/or quote spam, ever

[Russell L. Harris]

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 04:15:00PM -0500, David Wright wrote:

In addition, if the original email contained a malicious gotcha, you
expose the recipient of the bounced email to the same risk that you
presumably have just avoided.


I am no expert on the matter.  However, my approach has been to
telephone the ISP or authority and discuss the matter, or else to send
a separate email detailing the problem.  Thereupon, the ISP or
authority typically requests that the message be bounced to them at a
specified address, and they are watching for it.

RLH

Re: Kind reminder: please don't reply to and/or quote spam, ever

[tomas]

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 07:36:40PM +, Russell L. Harris wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 10:53:47AM -0500, David Wright wrote:
> >>Oh, this was explicitly about Thunderbird's ":exec bounce-message"?
> >>I missed that bit, sorry for that. Will re-read.
> 
> >If this is so, then : must be an active character [...]

[...]

> I think I misspoke, saying "Thunderbird" rather than "neo-mutt"; the
> ":exec bounce-message" is the way to BOUNCE in neo-mutt, not in
> Thunderbird.  Forgive me.

Phew! I already pictured myself trying to find an :exec button
in Thunderbird. I'd come back with strange questions ;-D

Thanks for clarification, cheers
-- tomás


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Re: pourquoi mes réponses mettent-elles une demi-journée avant d'être publiées ?

[Jean-Marc]

Merci Christophe pour ces explications très claires.

Une chose me chiffone néanmoins, c'est mon inscription à la pseudo-mailing 
générique «whitelist».

Cela n'a pas l'air d'avoir les effets escomptés.

Je vais refaire une souscription, on verra.

Merci encore.

Jean-Marc 
https://6jf.be/keys/ED863AD1.txt



Mon, 20 Apr 2020 20:06:22 +0200
Christophe  écrivait :

> Hello,
> 
> Le 20/04/2020 à 16:42, Jean-Marc a écrit :
> > salut la liste,
> >
> > Une idée pourquoi mes réponses mettent-elles si longtemps avant d'être 
> > publiées sur cette liste ?
> >
> > J'ai envoyé un mail à 13h20 en réponse à une question.
> >
> > Il est 16h45 et je ne la vois toujours pas arriver.
> Pour expliquer le phénomène :
> 
> Ton mail est finalement arrivé, mais si on regarde les entêtes :
> 
> X-Greylist: delayed 14998 seconds by postgrey-1.36 at bendel; Mon, 20 Apr 
> 2020 16:08:29 UTC
> 
> Il est resté en grey-list (https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greylisting) 
> pendant plus de 4 heures sur le serveur de mail de debian.
> 
> Deux raisons possible à cela :
> 
>   * Le relai OVH (4.mo175.mail-out.ovh.net [46.105.33.220]) n'a pas
> tenté de renvoyer le mail pendant les 4 heures suivant la première
> tentative d'envoi => pourquoi pas, mais ce serait étonnant.
>   * Ou, comme c'est le cas lors d'envois depuis Office365/Outlook.com,
> le relai d'envoi change à chaque tentative de livraison d'un même et
> unique mail => ça , c'est plus probable.
> 
> Le greylisting se base sur 3 facteurs : l'adresse mail de l'expéditeur, 
> l'adresse mail du destinataire, et le relais mail utilisé pour livrer le 
> mail.
> Le passage de greylisting à whitelisting (et donc de livraison du mail 
> initial) se fait si ce triplet de facteurs se représente à l'identique 
> au bout de X minutes.
> 
> Si l'expéditeur (en l'occurrence OVH) fait varier le facteur "relai" 
> entre deux tentatives de livraisons, ça repasse par une nouvelle 
> validation sur le serveur qui reçoit le mail, ce qui donne lieu à ce 
> genre de comportements.
> Plus il y a de relais utilisés chez l'expéditeur, plus le délai de 
> réception augmente chez le destinataire.
> 
> expedit...@domaine.fr => debian-user-french@lists.debian.org via relai 1 
> (triplet inconnu donc stocké pour validation future)
> au bout de X minutes :
> expedit...@domaine.fr => debian-user-french@lists.debian.org via relai 2 
> (triplet inconnu donc stocké pour validation future)
> au bout de X minutes :
> expedit...@domaine.fr => debian-user-french@lists.debian.org via relai 3 
> (triplet inconnu donc stocké pour validation future)
> au bout de X minutes :
> expedit...@domaine.fr => debian-user-french@lists.debian.org via relai 4 
> (triplet inconnu donc stocké pour validation future)
> puis au bout de X minutes :
> expedit...@domaine.fr => debian-user-french@lists.debian.org via relai 1 
> (ah oui, celui la, on l'a vu tout à l'heure, on le connaît, on laisse 
> passer).
> 
> S'il y a trop de relais on en arrive même à des cas, ou la deuxième 
> tentative d'un relai unique dépasse le temps de grâce, et qui fait que 
> le mail n'arrive jamais.
> Il y a encore d'autres joyeusetés : à une époque les relais bbox.fr qui 
> ne rententaient qu'au bout de 24 heures ...
> 
> La solution dans le cas présent : c'est d'inscrire l'adresse mail dans 
> la white-list :
> https://lists.debian.org/whitelist/
> 
> Source : Une discussion identique de 2017 ou Charles avait donné la 
> solution en me répondant :)
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user-french/2017/03/msg00241.html
> 
> Christophe.


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Re: Kind reminder: please don't reply to and/or quote spam, ever

[David Wright]

On Mon 20 Apr 2020 at 19:36:40 (+), Russell L. Harris wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 10:53:47AM -0500, David Wright wrote:
[…]
> > It's always seemed futile to me to bounce an entire message back to
> > the sender: after all, they sent it, they know what was in it, and
> > have probably retained a copy (if it's non-trivial).
> > its usefulness if you work within a group of cooperating colleagues,
> > where each is taking responsibility for different aspects.
> 
> > Otherwise, forwarding seems more appropriate and polite. But there are
> > two forms of fowarding (at least in mutt): as a separate attachment,
> > or as part of your own email (like with top-posting). In the latter
> > case (with mutt), you can see that you're only forwarding whichever
> > parts of the original header that you were displaying at the time.
[…]
> As I understand it, BOUNCING or REDIRECTION relays a message in the
> most pristine form available, preserving the header, whereas
> FORWARDING allows you to make changes to the message.  This is (or
> should be) true, irrespective of the mail user agent.  I cannot speak
> with authority regarding the difference between REPLY and FORWARD.
> 
> If I receive spam and wish to report it to my ISP, I BOUNCE the
> message, so as not to disturb the "evidence" or "scene of the crime".

I remain unconvinced. If you forward an email as an attachment, then
its containment in the attachment protects it from modification.
OTOH if you bounce it, the header that you received can be modified,
and have lines added in the normal course of transit through MTAs.

> Likewise, a message which may be criminial in nature (threat,
> extortion, pornography), should be BOUNCED to law enforcement and to
> the ISP, to facilitate tracing.

In addition, if the original email contained a malicious gotcha, you
expose the recipient of the bounced email to the same risk that you
presumably have just avoided.

> A message may be BOUNCED or FORWARDED to anyone, including the sender
> (unless the sender has used a fictitious address, which typically is
> the case with malicious messages).
> 
> Neo-mutt documentation led me to believe that there is a "b" command
> (or something of the sort) for BOUNCE; but I did not find it, perhaps
> because I use the "Classic Dvorak" keymap.  I then discovered that
> commands not tied to a key can be executed with ":exec ".

or
  https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2020/03/msg00924.html

Cheers,
David.

Re: Preciso contato

[Thiago C. F.]

Hoje em dia o Telegram esta sendo muito utilizado pela comunidade. Já os
meios oficiais de contato, como pelo IRC por exemplo, esta parado, quase
morto, infelizmente (pelo menos para mim, pois gostos dos meios oficiais).
Gosto do IRC. Acho que gera uma certa nostalgia. Mas... como a maioria
prefere a praticidade, logo estou também acompanhando o Debian Brasil pelo
Telegram.

Thiago C. F.

Encontre o Que Precisar em Minha Loja Virtual:
*www.magazinevoce.com.br/magazinelojadothiagocf
*

Fique ligado nas Ofertas Diárias: https://t.me/ofertas_diarias

Meu blog: https://investimentosenegocios.wordpress.com/


Em seg., 20 de abr. de 2020 às 19:19, Sinval Júnior 
escreveu:

> A lista no passado era tão ativa, 2008 e antes. Haviam diversos eventos,
> Debian Day, etc Minha pergunta fica, o que aconteceu? Pessoas migraram
> para outros meios de comunicação? Na época eu estava bem focado em Infra,
> Hoje em desenvolvimeto. A sensação é qie debian passou a ser mais
> utilizado, o Linux em geral. Qual a percepção dos senhores.
>
>
>
> Ao encaminhar esta mensagem, por favor:
> 1 - Apague meu endereço eletrônico;
> 2 - Encaminhe como Cópia Oculta (Cco ou BCc) aos seus destinatários.
> Dificulte assim a disseminação de vírus, spams e banners.
>
> #=+
> #!/usr/bin/env python
> nome = 'Sinval Júnior'
> email = 'sinvalju arroba gmail ponto com'
> print nome
> print email
> #==+
>
>
> Em seg., 20 de abr. de 2020 às 07:41, Helio Loureiro <
> he...@loureiro.eng.br> escreveu:
>
>> Claro.  A lista que tem 5 mensagens por ano passar a ter 10.  Uma
>> catástrofe.
>>
>> ./helio
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 18, 2020, 02:55 China  wrote:
>>
>>> Vcs não entenderam? Enviem o WhatsApp de vcs pra ela. Poderiam ter feito
>>> isso no privado sem poluir a lista.
>>>
>>> Aí quando ela fizer contato vcs enviam pra ela o código de 6 dígitos pra
>>> ela gerar a segunda via do boleto.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Em sex, 17 de abr de 2020 18:39, Leonardo Ferreira <
>>> leoferreir...@gmail.com> escreveu:
>>>
 Oi?

 Em sex, 17 de abr de 2020 17:20, Helio Loureiro 
 escreveu:

> Como assim?
>
> ./helio
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 19:18 Pamela Macedo 
> wrote:
>
>> Ola boa tarde querianpor favor o contato do watssap para pedir 2via
>> de boleto pkr favor poderia me passar por gentileza...
>> Obgd des de ja
>>
>

Droidcam: Android phone as Debian webcam

[Rainer Dorsch]

Hi everybody,

droidcam is a small utility which converts an Android phone into a webcam for 
linux (connected by USB or Wifi). Since there is a webcam shortage right now 
and many people have Android phones, I thought I post my notes here for 
everybody who needs a webcam on a Debian 10 system. It worked for me with a 
Moto G4 plus with ArrowOS and a Google Pixel with the latest Android release 
for this device.

Technically droidcam implements a v4l2 kernel module which make the droidcam 
look like a local webcam. In addition, a  newer version of libjpeg62-turbo is 
needed. This I compiled from source to /opt, since I was not sure if I break 
something if I recompile the experimental package for buster and replace the 
buster package.

I built and installed the software in /opt as local install user, except the 
kernel module which needs to go at the regular place. This probalby could be 
done better, since there is a pull request which implements dkms usage.

To run the phone as webcam, the droidcam app needs to be installed on the 
Android phone and the droidcam-cli command needs to run on the Debian machine. 
That is all what is needed.

I hope this is useful for somebody.

Droidcam:
=
# apt-get build-dep libjpeg62-turbo
# apt-get install libswscale-dev gtk+-2.0 libavutil-dev
# mkdir /opt/libjpeg62-turbo-2.0.4/

=> I have a local user just to install software into /opt or /usr/local/ 
# chown install /opt/libjpeg62-turbo-2.0.4/
# cd /opt
# ln -s libjpeg62-turbo-2.0.4 libjpeg-turbo

As install user new libjepg62-turbo:
# su - install


install@gigabyte:~$ wget 
http://deb.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libj/libjpeg-turbo/libjpeg-turbo_2.0.4.orig.tar.gz
install@gigabyte:~$ tar xfz libjpeg-turbo_2.0.4.orig.tar.gz   
install@gigabyte:~$ mkdir build
install@gigabyte:~$ cd build/
install@gigabyte:~/build$ cmake -G"Unix Makefiles" cmake -
DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/opt/libjpeg62-turbo-2.0.4/ ../libjpeg-turbo-2.0.4
-- The C compiler identification is GNU 8.3.0
[...]
[...]
-- Build files have been written to: /home/install/build
install@gigabyte:~/build$ make
Scanning dependencies of target simd
[  0%] Building ASM_NASM object simd/CMakeFiles/simd.dir/x86_64/jsimdcpu.asm.o
[  0%] Building ASM_NASM object simd/CMakeFiles/simd.dir/x86_64/jfdctflt-
sse.asm.o
[  1%] Building ASM_NASM object simd/CMakeFiles/simd.dir/x86_64/jccolor-
sse2.asm.o
[...]
[ 97%] Built target djpeg
[ 98%] Built target jpegtran
[ 99%] Built target jcstest
[100%] Built target md5cmp
Install the project...
-- Install configuration: "Release"
[...]
-- Installing: /opt/libjpeg62-turbo-2.0.4/bin/jpegtran
-- Set runtime path of "/opt/libjpeg62-turbo-2.0.4/bin/jpegtran" to "/opt/
libjpeg62-turbo-2.0.4/lib"
install@gigabyte:~/build$ cd /opt/libjpeg62-turbo-2.0.4/
install@gigabyte:/opt/libjpeg62-turbo-2.0.4$ make test
[...]
install@gigabyte:~/build$ make install
[  8%] Built target simd
[...]


Install droidcam cli and v4l2 kernel module:




install@gigabyte:~/git$ git clone https://github.com/aramg/droidcam.git
Cloning into 'droidcam'...
remote: Enumerating objects: 66, done.
remote: Counting objects: 100% (66/66), done.
remote: Compressing objects: 100% (34/34), done.
remote: Total 293 (delta 25), reused 45 (delta 19), pack-reused 227
Receiving objects: 100% (293/293), 1.19 MiB | 2.65 MiB/s, done.
Resolving deltas: 100% (117/117), done.
install@gigabyte:~/git$

Adapt install paths:

install@gigabyte:~$ cd git/droidcam/
install@gigabyte:~/git/droidcam$ git diff
diff --git a/linux/Makefile b/linux/Makefile
index 134f723..541b06a 100644
--- a/linux/Makefile
+++ b/linux/Makefile
@@ -9,7 +9,8 @@
 CC= -no-pie
 GTK   = `pkg-config --libs --cflags gtk+-2.0`
 LIBS  = `pkg-config --libs libswscale libavutil`
-JPEG  = -I/opt/libjpeg-turbo/include /opt/libjpeg-turbo/lib`getconf 
LONG_BIT`/libturbojpeg.a
+#JPEG  = -I/opt/libjpeg-turbo/include /opt/libjpeg-turbo/lib`getconf 
LONG_BIT`/libturbojpeg.a
+JPEG  = -I/opt/libjpeg-turbo/include /opt/libjpeg-turbo/lib/libturbojpeg.a
 SRC  = src/connection.c src/decoder.c
 NO_WARN  = -Wno-pointer-to-int-cast -Wno-int-to-pointer-cast
 
diff --git a/linux/install b/linux/install
index 6189db5..a68db85 100755
--- a/linux/install
+++ b/linux/install
@@ -68,8 +68,8 @@ fi
 
 set -x
 cp "$V4L2_LOOPBACK_DIR/$V4L2_LOOPBACK_KO" $DRIVER_LOCATION
-cp droidcam /usr/bin/
-cp droidcam-cli /usr/bin/
+cp droidcam /usr/local/bin/
+cp droidcam-cli /usr/local/bin/
 set +x
 
 echo "Registering webcam device"
diff --git a/linux/uninstall b/linux/uninstall
index 9acc7b5..39c9344 100755
--- a/linux/uninstall
+++ b/linux/uninstall
@@ -4,7 +4,7 @@
 echo "Un-loading driver module"
 sudo rmmod v4l2loopback_dc
 echo "Removing files"
-sudo rm -f /usr/bin/droidcam*
+sudo rm -f /usr/local/bin/droidcam*
 sudo rm -f /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/media/video/v4l2loopback-
dc.ko
 
 etc_modules() {
install@gigabyte:~/git/droidcam$




install@gigabyte:~/git/droidcam$ cd linux/

Re: Preciso contato

[Sinval Júnior]

A lista no passado era tão ativa, 2008 e antes. Haviam diversos eventos,
Debian Day, etc Minha pergunta fica, o que aconteceu? Pessoas migraram
para outros meios de comunicação? Na época eu estava bem focado em Infra,
Hoje em desenvolvimeto. A sensação é qie debian passou a ser mais
utilizado, o Linux em geral. Qual a percepção dos senhores.



Ao encaminhar esta mensagem, por favor:
1 - Apague meu endereço eletrônico;
2 - Encaminhe como Cópia Oculta (Cco ou BCc) aos seus destinatários.
Dificulte assim a disseminação de vírus, spams e banners.

#=+
#!/usr/bin/env python
nome = 'Sinval Júnior'
email = 'sinvalju arroba gmail ponto com'
print nome
print email
#==+


Em seg., 20 de abr. de 2020 às 07:41, Helio Loureiro 
escreveu:

> Claro.  A lista que tem 5 mensagens por ano passar a ter 10.  Uma
> catástrofe.
>
> ./helio
>
> On Sat, Apr 18, 2020, 02:55 China  wrote:
>
>> Vcs não entenderam? Enviem o WhatsApp de vcs pra ela. Poderiam ter feito
>> isso no privado sem poluir a lista.
>>
>> Aí quando ela fizer contato vcs enviam pra ela o código de 6 dígitos pra
>> ela gerar a segunda via do boleto.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Em sex, 17 de abr de 2020 18:39, Leonardo Ferreira <
>> leoferreir...@gmail.com> escreveu:
>>
>>> Oi?
>>>
>>> Em sex, 17 de abr de 2020 17:20, Helio Loureiro 
>>> escreveu:
>>>
 Como assim?

 ./helio

 On Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 19:18 Pamela Macedo  wrote:

> Ola boa tarde querianpor favor o contato do watssap para pedir 2via de
> boleto pkr favor poderia me passar por gentileza...
> Obgd des de ja
>

Re: onde está a comunidade Debian

[Qobi Ben Nun]

Ótimo desfecho para essa discussão sem sentido.

Valeu, Terceiro.

On April 20, 2020 10:53:11 PM GMT-03:00, Antonio Terceiro  
wrote:
>On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 07:37:11PM -0400, Thiago C. F. wrote:
>> Hoje em dia o Telegram esta sendo muito utilizado pela comunidade. Já
>os
>> meios oficiais de contato, como pelo IRC por exemplo, esta parado,
>quase
>> morto, infelizmente (pelo menos para mim, pois gostos dos meios
>oficiais).
>> Gosto do IRC. Acho que gera uma certa nostalgia. Mas... como a
>maioria
>> prefere a praticidade, logo estou também acompanhando o Debian Brasil
>pelo
>> Telegram.
>
>Note que o dia a dia do desenvolvimento do Debian continua acontecendo
>por email e IRC, como sempre. O #debian-br é provavelmente o canal com
>menos movimento no meu cliente, mas os vários outros onde eu estou são
>bem ativos.
>
>De fato uma boa parte da comunidade de usuários acabou indo pra outras
>plataformas. Por um lado a dispersão é um problema, mas por outro é
>também inevitável: a cada dia existem mais e mais plataformas, e as
>pessoas são livres pra se reunir onde elas bem entenderem.
>
>Existe uma discussão no projeto sobre fornecer espaços mais "modernos"
>que incentivem a participação de mais gente. Por exemplo, tem um
>pessoal
>testando uma instência de Discourse que talvez se torne permanente
>(discourse.debian.net).
>
>E hoje em dia, tem bastante gente nos canais IRC que estão usando uma
>ponte matrix. Eu mesmo tenho uma conta matrix pendurada nos canais mais
>importantes pra mim, pra poder acompanhar pelo celular.

-- 
Enviado de meu dispositivo Android com K-9 mail. Desculpe-me pela brevidade.

onde está a comunidade Debian

[Antonio Terceiro]

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 07:37:11PM -0400, Thiago C. F. wrote:
> Hoje em dia o Telegram esta sendo muito utilizado pela comunidade. Já os
> meios oficiais de contato, como pelo IRC por exemplo, esta parado, quase
> morto, infelizmente (pelo menos para mim, pois gostos dos meios oficiais).
> Gosto do IRC. Acho que gera uma certa nostalgia. Mas... como a maioria
> prefere a praticidade, logo estou também acompanhando o Debian Brasil pelo
> Telegram.

Note que o dia a dia do desenvolvimento do Debian continua acontecendo
por email e IRC, como sempre. O #debian-br é provavelmente o canal com
menos movimento no meu cliente, mas os vários outros onde eu estou são
bem ativos.

De fato uma boa parte da comunidade de usuários acabou indo pra outras
plataformas. Por um lado a dispersão é um problema, mas por outro é
também inevitável: a cada dia existem mais e mais plataformas, e as
pessoas são livres pra se reunir onde elas bem entenderem.

Existe uma discussão no projeto sobre fornecer espaços mais "modernos"
que incentivem a participação de mais gente. Por exemplo, tem um pessoal
testando uma instência de Discourse que talvez se torne permanente
(discourse.debian.net).

E hoje em dia, tem bastante gente nos canais IRC que estão usando uma
ponte matrix. Eu mesmo tenho uma conta matrix pendurada nos canais mais
importantes pra mim, pra poder acompanhar pelo celular.


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Re: Debian is testing Discourse

[David Wright]

On Mon 20 Apr 2020 at 23:05:54 (-0400), Celejar wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Apr 2020 21:33:37 -0500
> David Wright  wrote:
> 
> > On Mon 20 Apr 2020 at 13:13:50 (-0400), Celejar wrote:
> > > On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 10:19:13 +0300
> > > Andrei POPESCU  wrote:
> > > 
> > > ...
> > > 
> > > > about Debian on non-Debian platforms (like StackExchange), the other 
> > > > one 
> > > > being the Arch's wiki (significantly better than Debian's).
> > > 
> > > Everyone loves the Arch wiki - I've long wondered why it's so much
> > > better than ours. Do they just have more community-minded users?
> > 
> > It looks better curated, organised and structured. The latter is hardly
> > surprising when you read Debian's FAQ¹:
> > 
> >   Q) Wouldn't the wiki be more useful if it was better organized?
> >   A) Possibly, but a structured wiki is largely a contradiction in terms.
> >   It's more important to give it good content.
> 
> In my experience, the content of the Arch wiki is ofter far superior to
> ours, not just the organization and structure.

I don't know what the writer of those two sentences meant by
structure, but I specifically mentioned the Discussion page
(≡ Wikipedia's Talk page) which I think is an important
factor in improving content.

Here's how the Debian wiki sometimes works (or, rather, fails to):

A to list> I have a problem with  …
B to A>Doing so-and-so should fix it.
C to A>Try doing this. And I guess you should also do that.
B to C>Why would you do that? That's wrong; see wiki on Foo.
C to B>But surely X suggests to do Y. Your fix is confusing.
B to C>Read the wiki which shows so-and-so is correct.
C to B>I disagree, it doesn't show that.
B to C>OK, I'll explain in great detail just what's happening.
   (Detailed explanation follows.)
C to B>Great, that really explains it well. Perhaps that summary
   should go on the wiki.
B to C>Anyone can edit the wiki. (Implying: Why don't you do it.)

So the person who made a poor suggestion showing that they didn't
understand the problem, but now (one hopes) has a slightly firmer
grasp of what's going on, is left to edit the wiki. (In this case,
five years ago, they declined.)

Now compare with Arch's "Contributing". Do you think the Debian page
for "Foo", above, is on anyone's watchlist?

> > So they have different philosophies. Perhaps Debian puts more effort
> > into the packages themselves, the installer, and documentation like
> > the Reference Manual, Release Notes etc, whereas AIUI Arch relies
> > more on its wiki. And I think Debian has a much broader scope:
> 
> But the Debian documentation you mention doesn't cover a great deal
> of practical, real-world areas of system configuration, maintenance,
> and use, at least not in any useful, up-to-date way.

I was being charitable.

> The Arch wiki, in
> my experience, simply does a much better job at documenting this sort of
> stuff than any Debian documentation.

That's why I wrote "curated". There are some dedicated people working
on their wiki. Look at their News or Statistics pages.

Cheers,
David.

Re: Debian is testing Discourse

[David Wright]

On Mon 20 Apr 2020 at 13:13:50 (-0400), Celejar wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 10:19:13 +0300
> Andrei POPESCU  wrote:
> 
> ...
> 
> > about Debian on non-Debian platforms (like StackExchange), the other one 
> > being the Arch's wiki (significantly better than Debian's).
> 
> Everyone loves the Arch wiki - I've long wondered why it's so much
> better than ours. Do they just have more community-minded users?

It looks better curated, organised and structured. The latter is hardly
surprising when you read Debian's FAQ¹:

  Q) Wouldn't the wiki be more useful if it was better organized?
  A) Possibly, but a structured wiki is largely a contradiction in terms.
  It's more important to give it good content.

Another weakness is what lies behind the pages:

  Q) How do I keep track of changes?
  A) By using two features accessible via the sidebar menu:
  the link to the RecentChanges page (limited to a week for visitors,
   90 days for logged-in users);
  the Subscribe option, which requests e-mail notification when the page is 
modified. 

With ~16½ thousand pages², and up to 90 days of time-ordered changes,
I would imagine it's difficult to keep track of what's up-to-date or
being worked on.

The Arch wiki pages have a discussion area where changes can be
debated and the page can be refined, as well as a History area
that I haven't seen (because I'm not registered on their system).

So they have different philosophies. Perhaps Debian puts more effort
into the packages themselves, the installer, and documentation like
the Reference Manual, Release Notes etc, whereas AIUI Arch relies
more on its wiki. And I think Debian has a much broader scope:
how many architectures does Arch support? Not even 32-bit PCs.

For all their faults, I think the two wikis complement each other
rather than trying to compete, and I use both, generally navigating
via search engines.

¹ The one at the bottom of the EditorGuide
  https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWiki/EditorGuide

² There are far fewer content pages really, but the TitleIndex
  listing, which I counted, includes the name of all the people
  who edit the wiki. It would be nice to have them separated.

Cheers,
David.

Re: Debian is testing Discourse

[Ihor Antonov]

I am not sure why we are discussing this is in a discourse thread, but what 
the heck.
> 
> In my experience, the content of the Arch wiki is ofter far superior to
> ours, not just the organization and structure.
> 
> ...
> 
> > So they have different philosophies. Perhaps Debian puts more effort
> > into the packages themselves, the installer, and documentation like
> > the Reference Manual, Release Notes etc, whereas AIUI Arch relies
> 
> > more on its wiki. And I think Debian has a much broader scope:
> But the Debian documentation you mention doesn't cover a great deal
> of practical, real-world areas of system configuration, maintenance,
> and use, at least not in any useful, up-to-date way. The Arch wiki, in
> my experience, simply does a much better job at documenting this sort of
> stuff than any Debian documentation.

As a former Arch user I second that opinion. The wiki is better structured, 
has better contents and is easy to edit anyway. Archlinux wiki is the primary, 
if not the only, source of the documentation, so all the effort is concentrated 
there.

I would love to get better navigation / search in Debian wiki, some sort of 
side bar would not be amiss. What do you think can be done to make Debian wiki 
more usable and more attractive to users/editors?


---
Ihor Antonov

Re: Netbeans/Java Tutorial - Hangs

[local10]

Apr 20, 2020, 16:01 by we...@acu.edu:

>  The fact that neither Eclipse nor NetBeans works "out of the box" on Debian 
> just adds to that sentiment.
>


Eclipse runs fine on Debian, I've been running Eclipse on Buster for quite some 
time without any issues worth mentioning. I suspect Netbeans will run fine on 
Debian too if you install a proper JDK/JRE, Netbeans 10 probably requires JDK 
10 to run.

Neither Eclipse or Netbeans are a part of Debian distribution so some tinkering 
may indeed be required.

Regards,

Re: Debian is testing Discourse

[Celejar]

On Mon, 20 Apr 2020 21:33:37 -0500
David Wright  wrote:

> On Mon 20 Apr 2020 at 13:13:50 (-0400), Celejar wrote:
> > On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 10:19:13 +0300
> > Andrei POPESCU  wrote:
> > 
> > ...
> > 
> > > about Debian on non-Debian platforms (like StackExchange), the other one 
> > > being the Arch's wiki (significantly better than Debian's).
> > 
> > Everyone loves the Arch wiki - I've long wondered why it's so much
> > better than ours. Do they just have more community-minded users?
> 
> It looks better curated, organised and structured. The latter is hardly
> surprising when you read Debian's FAQ¹:
> 
>   Q) Wouldn't the wiki be more useful if it was better organized?
>   A) Possibly, but a structured wiki is largely a contradiction in terms.
>   It's more important to give it good content.

In my experience, the content of the Arch wiki is ofter far superior to
ours, not just the organization and structure.

...

> So they have different philosophies. Perhaps Debian puts more effort
> into the packages themselves, the installer, and documentation like
> the Reference Manual, Release Notes etc, whereas AIUI Arch relies
> more on its wiki. And I think Debian has a much broader scope:

But the Debian documentation you mention doesn't cover a great deal
of practical, real-world areas of system configuration, maintenance,
and use, at least not in any useful, up-to-date way. The Arch wiki, in
my experience, simply does a much better job at documenting this sort of
stuff than any Debian documentation.

Celejar

Buster System hangs, requires hard reboot

[Ralph Katz]

Hi -- Please help me diagnose and fix this problem.

My five month old Dell laptop with updated firmware and new up-to-date
Buster completely hangs and requires a hard reboot after 7-40 days
uptime.  While reading something onscreen or away from the laptop, the
system hangs completely: screen freezes, keyboard is unresponsive, lid
close fails to sleep, can't ssh in, pings fail.  Hard reboot is required.

Actions taken:

- re-installed Buster twice over several months
- ran fsck.ext4 -y /dev/sda2  when fsck failed on boot
- ran bad blocks
- run smartmontools long test weekly; no errors reported in logs.

Sometimes there are errors in syslog like this before a crash:

> Apr  2 06:04:18 spike3 kernel: [539637.882916] EXT4-fs error (device sda2): 
> ext4_lookup:1590: inode #55838123: comm updatedb.mlocat: iget: checksum 
> invalid

Today there were no syslog errors for weeks before the system hung.
After rebooting, errors like these appeared:

> Apr 20 16:05:57 spike3 kernel: [  887.007328] EXT4-fs error (device sda2): 
> ext4_lookup:1590: inode #55842004: comm GMPThread: iget: checksum invalid
> Apr 20 16:08:53 spike3 kernel: [ 1062.821504] EXT4-fs error (device sda2): 
> ext4_lookup:1590: inode #55842002: comm DOM Worker: iget: checksum invalid

Any ideas?

Thanks in advance!
Ralph

Re: Netbeans/Java Tutorial - Hangs

[local10]

Apr 21, 2020, 04:32 by loca...@tutanota.com:

> Netbeans 10 probably requires JDK 10 to run.
>


Actually, I just checked and  Netbeans 10 should run fine on JDK 11. As per 
your original message you have two JDKs installed: JDK 11 and JDK 15. Make sure 
you are using JDK 11 to run Netbeans, if you still get the error while running 
Netbeans on JDK 11 then you may want to raise this issue on the Netbeans user 
list.
Regards,

Re: Buster System hangs, requires hard reboot

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 20 April 2020 21:44:10 Ralph Katz wrote:

> Hi -- Please help me diagnose and fix this problem.
>
> My five month old Dell laptop with updated firmware and new up-to-date
> Buster completely hangs and requires a hard reboot after 7-40 days
> uptime.  While reading something onscreen or away from the laptop, the
> system hangs completely: screen freezes, keyboard is unresponsive, lid
> close fails to sleep, can't ssh in, pings fail.  Hard reboot is
> required.
>
> Actions taken:
>
> - re-installed Buster twice over several months
> - ran fsck.ext4 -y /dev/sda2  when fsck failed on boot
> - ran bad blocks
> - run smartmontools long test weekly; no errors reported in logs.
>
> Sometimes there are errors in syslog like this before a crash:
> > Apr  2 06:04:18 spike3 kernel: [539637.882916] EXT4-fs error (device
> > sda2): ext4_lookup:1590: inode #55838123: comm updatedb.mlocat:
> > iget: checksum invalid
>
> Today there were no syslog errors for weeks before the system hung.
>
> After rebooting, errors like these appeared:
> > Apr 20 16:05:57 spike3 kernel: [  887.007328] EXT4-fs error (device
> > sda2): ext4_lookup:1590: inode #55842004: comm GMPThread: iget:
> > checksum invalid Apr 20 16:08:53 spike3 kernel: [ 1062.821504]
> > EXT4-fs error (device sda2): ext4_lookup:1590: inode #55842002: comm
> > DOM Worker: iget: checksum invalid
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks in advance!
> Ralph

How old, and what color are your sata cables?  There is something in the 
dye used for "hot red" cables that converts the copper of the conductors 
into a brown rust like powder which of coarse is a very poor conductor. 
Reboot, put a tail on the syslog, and touch the cable so it is moved a 
bit. If it blows up the syslog with more such messages, replace the 
cable, but replace it with any color but red..

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re : pourquoi mes réponses mettent-elles une demi-journée avant d'être publiées ?

[nicolas . patrois]

Le 20/04/2020 16:42:44, Jean-Marc a écrit :

> salut la liste,

> Une idée pourquoi mes réponses mettent-elles si longtemps avant d'être
> publiées sur cette liste ?

> J'ai envoyé un mail à 13h20 en réponse à une question.
> Il est 16h45 et je ne la vois toujours pas arriver.

> D'autre que moi font-ils face au même soucis ?

Chez moi, tout va bien avec Balsa.
Ça ramouille un peu mais en moins d’une minute, c’est bon.

nicolas patrois : pts noir asocial
-- 
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M : Qu'est-ce qu'il nous faudrait pour qu'on nous considère comme des humains ? 
Un cerveau plus gros ?
P : Non... Une carte bleue suffirait...

Re: pourquoi mes réponses mettent-elles une demi-journée avant d'être publiées ?

[Jean-Marc]

Bon,

Je m'auto-réponds.

Un nouveau message, 5 minutes.

Une réponse à la question de Klaus envoyée il y a 3h40min, toujours en rade.

Mon nouveau post à la liste a trouvé un raccourci dans les méandres du net, ou 
quoi ?


Jean-Marc 
https://6jf.be/keys/ED863AD1.txt



Mon, 20 Apr 2020 16:42:44 +0200
Jean-Marc  écrivait :

> salut la liste,
> 
> Une idée pourquoi mes réponses mettent-elles si longtemps avant d'être 
> publiées sur cette liste ?
> 
> J'ai envoyé un mail à 13h20 en réponse à une question.
> 
> Il est 16h45 et je ne la vois toujours pas arriver.
> 
> D'autre que moi font-ils face au même soucis ?
> 
> Bonne soirée.
> 
> Jean-Marc 
> https://6jf.be/keys/ED863AD1.txt


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[HS] pandémis, anti virus Bill Gates

[ajh-valmer]

Le Figaro de ce week-end titrait :

"Bill Gates, l’homme qui avait prédit la pandémie",
(et veut éradiquer les virus).
"Il veut construire des usines pour les futurs vaccins".

Étrange pour l'homme qui a inventé un système informatique
hautement vérolable.

Au secours !

Re: [HS] pandémis, anti virus Bill Gates

[Pierre Malard]

> Le 20 avr. 2020 à 17:44, ajh-valmer  a écrit :
> 
> Le Figaro de ce week-end titrait :
> 
> "Bill Gates, l’homme qui avait prédit la pandémie",
> (et veut éradiquer les virus).
> "Il veut construire des usines pour les futurs vaccins".
> 
> Étrange pour l'homme qui a inventé un système informatique
> hautement vérolable.
> 
> Au secours !

Ben non, justement, il a une très grande compétence dans ce
domaine ;-)

Quant à faire des prédictions, ce n’était pas bien difficile quand
on sait, comme lui, l’importance des transports multiples et variés
de tout matériel pourvu qu’il gagne 0,001 $…

--
Pierre Malard

   «Le courage, c'est de chercher la vérité et de la dire,
c'est de ne pas subir la loi du mensonge triomphant qui passe
et de ne pas faire écho de notre âme, de notre bouche et de nos mains
aux applaudissements imbéciles et aux huées fanatiques.»
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Re: [HS] impôts et Bill Gates

[ajh-valmer]

Et c'est pas fini :

Le Figaro de ce week-end titrait aussi :

"Bill Gates appelle de nouveau à augmenter les impôts des plus fortunés".

"Dans une note de blog, le 2ème homme le plus riche du monde,
s’est prononcé pour un alourdissement de la fiscalité pesant sur 
les plus chanceux, avançant des arguments financiers et éthiques".

Encore bien étrange, quand sa société ne paye quasiment pas d'impôts.

Re: Accessing security.debian.org through https

[Reco]

Hi.

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 08:11:29AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 09:13:43PM +0300, Reco wrote:
> > Technically, you can: https://deb.debian.org/debian-security
> > Not that using it will not be useful in any way as currently it just
> > serves an HTTP redirect to http://security.debian.org
> 
> That doesn't seem to be true.  As I said last week, my workplace's
> firewall has recently started blocking Debian's package mirrors, but
> 
> deb https://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main contrib 
> non-free

I stand corrected.
It's https://deb.debian.org/debian-security verbatim that does the
redirect.
An attempt to get any file via this apt-proxy-ng instance will result in
a file served by HTTPS.
For instance, this should work without any redirect:

https://deb.debian.org/debian-security/pool/updates/main/c/chromium/chromium_80.0.3987.162-1~deb10u1.dsc

Reco

Re: Kind reminder: please don't reply to and/or quote spam, ever

[David Wright]

On Mon 20 Apr 2020 at 12:27:55 (+0200), to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 09:57:34AM +, Russell L. Harris wrote:
> > On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 11:43:40AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > >>Thunderbird provides the command ":exec bounce-message".
> > >
> > >Oh, wow. Thanks for the hint. Does anyone know what that command
> > >does?
> > 
> > Someone provided a detailed explaination of bounce a few messages
> > earlier in this thread.  But briefly, bounce sends the message,
> > intact, complete with attachments, if any, just as if you were a relay
> > station.
> 
> Oh, this was explicitly about Thunderbird's ":exec bounce-message"?
> I missed that bit, sorry for that. Will re-read.

If this is so, then : must be an active character in order to
introduce the string "exec". I see no mention of : in that role on
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/keyboard-shortcuts
so we need some clarification.

> > However, if you wish to make additions or modifications to the
> > message, you use forward.  Forward is like a reply, except it is
> > sent to a third party, rather than back to the sender.
> 
> "back to the sender" makes me unsure now: does ":exec bounce-message"
> let you choose the target, or is it just "back to sender"?

It's always seemed futile to me to bounce an entire message back to
the sender: after all, they sent it, they know what was in it, and
have probably retained a copy (if it's non-trivial).

By the time you—the user, using a MUA—receive an email, it's
rather late in the day to say that it's undeliverable because,
by definition, it's been delivered—to you.

> I understand "forward": you get to write a message and send the
> original wrapped in a MIME part, which would be OK (provided the
> receiver can handle that).

With bouncing in the sense of batting it somewhere else, I can see
its usefulness if you work within a group of cooperating colleagues,
where each is taking responsibility for different aspects.

Otherwise, forwarding seems more appropriate and polite. But there are
two forms of fowarding (at least in mutt): as a separate attachment,
or as part of your own email (like with top-posting). In the latter
case (with mutt), you can see that you're only forwarding whichever
parts of the original header that you were displaying at the time.

Whenever I reported spam/infected emails at work, I always used the
attachment mode, in order to make it clear that I had received the
email (which should have been filtered out by the servers already)
and wasn't myself spamming from an infected system.

Cheers,
David.

Re: Kind reminder: please don't reply to and/or quote spam, ever

[elvis]

On 19/4/20 8:35 pm, Liam O'Toole wrote:

On Sun, 19 Apr, 2020 at 19:11:55 +1000, elvis wrote:

On 19/4/20 5:03 pm, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
  
[...]



Note: "bouncing" is also called "redirect" in some mail clients and is
*not* forwarding (should probably mention this in the wiki).U

In over 25 years of email I have never come across this, so much to learn so
little time.

The idea is common enough to mutt users. You simply type 'b' on an email



I went straight from Pine to Eudora :-)



and enter the recipient address when prompted.


Any idea how to do this in Thunderbird?

Alas, despite having used thunderbird also for many years I have never
come across this feature.


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Re: Protéger une VM KVM contenant des données sensibles

[NoSpam]

Le 20/04/2020 à 10:37, Olivier a écrit :

Bonjour,

Bonjour


Ici ou là, on peut lire des procédures ou tuto conseillant de 
consigner ses données sensibles (clés privées, mot de passe, PKI ...) 
et applications associées sur une machine dédiée, hors réseau, éteinte 
quand elle n'est pas utilisée.


Si la machine est hors réseau et éteinte -je suppose un réseau privé 
d'entreprise- le 1er problème est l'accès physique au serveur host afin 
de ne pas avoir accès aux disques, le second l'accès distant (ssh, RDP, 
VNC, TV, AyDesk, ...)


Le premier problème se règle en protégeant l'accès à la salle serveur. 
Pour le second, une solution est le reverse ssh.




Pourtant utiliser des VM est très pratique et économique.

Qui a déjà conservé des données sensibles dans une VM KVM ?
Si données sensibles sont des données de santé _accessibles de 
l'extérieur_ il faut héberger chez un hébergeur agréé et la BDD ne doit 
PAS être sur la VM de l'application et doit être isolée de l'extérieur.

Quelles mesures particulières a-t-il prises pour protéger ses données ?
Comment sauvegarder ?
Si c'est du LVM on doit pouvoir faire dd+tar machine éteinte. Si elle 
est up, les outils habituels


Parmi les mesures qui me viennent à l'esprit:

- mot de passe pour protéger le lancement de la VM (est-ce que ça 
existe ?)

- mot de passe pour le chiffrement du disque de la VM
- suppression ou configuration spéciale de sshd ou plus généralement 
du réseau


chiffrement du disque + reverse ssh (qui au passage peut également être 
utilisé pour faire passer d'autres protocoles et être utilisé sur des 
machines Windows).


Le problème premier est l'humain. Combien de systèmes tournent avec les 
mêmes mots de passe depuis des années alors que le personnel a été 
renouvelé x fois ! :(


--

Daniel

Re: Kind reminder: please don't reply to and/or quote spam, ever

[Curt]

On 2020-04-19,   wrote:
>
>> My half-assed understanding of bouncing is this: When you get a
>> message that wasn't really meant for you, and you know where it ought
>> to go, then you should "bounce" it there [...]
>
> Correct. This was bounce's original purpose. It has the property
> that it passes the original mail's headers on, and thus its
> utility for some secondary purposes:
>

We had a thread a while back with Reco and Jon Dowland about the bounce
feature; alpine has it, Kmail has it, Thunderbird needs an add-on, and
Mutt, the email client of the stars, of course, has had bounce since
Methuselah was in diapers.

At any rate, as bounce means more currently, IMVHO, a notice from an email
system to the sender of an email that said email is undeliverable, using
the term for a redirection seems fraught with the danger of
misconstrual. But I guess these are dangerous times, n'est-ce pas?

Protéger une VM KVM contenant des données sensibles

[Olivier]

Bonjour,

Ici ou là, on peut lire des procédures ou tuto conseillant de consigner ses
données sensibles (clés privées, mot de passe, PKI ...) et applications
associées sur une machine dédiée, hors réseau, éteinte quand elle n'est pas
utilisée.

Pourtant utiliser des VM est très pratique et économique.

Qui a déjà conservé des données sensibles dans une VM KVM ?
Quelles mesures particulières a-t-il prises pour protéger ses données ?
Comment sauvegarder ?

Parmi les mesures qui me viennent à l'esprit:

- mot de passe pour protéger le lancement de la VM (est-ce que ça existe ?)
- mot de passe pour le chiffrement du disque de la VM
- suppression ou configuration spéciale de sshd ou plus généralement du
réseau

Slts

système de fichier crypté (sur disque dur local) partageant la clef avec SSH

[Basile Starynkevitch]

Bonjour la liste,


Je cherche un système de fichier crypté sur une partition vierge d'un 
disque local (d'un portable récent, voir ceci 
) dont la clef serait 
partagée avec SSH.



Autrement dit, après un ssh-add je souhaiterais avoir accès à ce système 
de fichier.



Bien sûr, il y a sshfs  configuré en 
local, mais il y a-t-il d'autres solutions?


Techniquement mon portable est sous Ubuntu 19.10, mais s'il fallait y 
installer Debian/Sid (ou Debian/Buster), je pourrais le faire.



Librement


Basile Starynkevitch - http://starynkevitch.net/Basile/
Bourg La Reine, France  
opinions are only mine - les opinions sont seulement miennes

Buenos dias, estoy muy contento con el uso de Linux Debian 10 Buster en español de 64 Bis, pero tengo un problema que no imprime con mi impresora Hp Laserjet 1020, la instale varias veces, no sale nin

[Jose Guzman]

Atentamente,

Jose Guzman Madrid


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información protegida por derechos de autor. Si usted ha recibido este
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de notificar de forma inmediata al remitente y borrar el mensaje original y
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GRACIAS

Re: Buenos dias, estoy muy contento con el uso de Linux Debian 10 Buster en español de 64 Bis, pero tengo un problema que no imprime con mi impresora Hp Laserjet 1020, la instale varias veces, no sale

[Pedro Gras]

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 8:00 AM Jose Guzman  wrote:
>
>
> Atentamente,
>
> Jose Guzman Madrid
>
>
> CONFIDENCIALIDAD: Este mensaje y cualquier archivo anexo son confidenciales y 
> para uso exclusivo del destinatario. Esta comunicación puede contener 
> información protegida por derechos de autor. Si usted ha recibido este 
> mensaje por error, equivocación u omisión queda estrictamente prohibida la 
> utilización, copia, reimpresión y/o reenvío del mismo. En tal caso, favor de 
> notificar de forma inmediata al remitente y borrar el mensaje original y 
> cualquier archivo anexo.
> GRACIAS
>

Buenas,
es una impresora un poco especial, necesita cargar un firmware antes
de empezar a funcionar correctamente.
los programas/drivers para usar con CUPS(supongo que lo tienes
instalado) son (luego se te instalara lo demás que necesites):

printer-driver-foo2zjs
hannah-foo2zjs(este programa te sirve para descargar el firmware que
necesita la impresora para funcionar)

La página oficial del driver es http://foo2zjs.rkkda.com/
El te recomienda instalar directamente y pasar de las versiones de
Debian pero yo personalmente creo que deberías intentar primero los
paquetes de la distribución(más fácil de mantener)  y luego si no te
funciona desinstalarlos e intentar compilar/instalar los suyos.

No he necesitado usar hplip pero se de gente que no ha podido instalar
como te digo y que con hplip ha conseguido hacerla funcionar.

Ánimo,

P.Gras

Re: Reporting bugs in Stable

[Ihor Antonov]

On Sunday, 19 April 2020 23:30:43 PDT Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Du, 19 apr 20, 13:28:57, Ihor Antonov wrote:
> > Reporting from Debian Sid, everything is quite stable. I do run ZFS on
> > root
> > and make snapshots prior to big upgrades as a pre-caution, but so far
> > I did not have a reason to revert anything.
> 
> It's just a matter of time. Even if Debian does much more automated
> testing now than in the past some serious issues could still slip
> through.

I know, for me this is exactly the point: unstable becomes stable only if 
someone uses it and finds out issues, reports/fixes them. 

> > I was using Archlinux for a long time, and I can say that Sid feels
> > more stable than Archlinux, although software is less fresh. But
> > overall quite usable as a daily driver on my Lenovo X1 Extreme
> 
> As far as I know Archlinux is also not a beginners distro (like Mint or
> Ubuntu), so issues that may appear trivial to you can be major
> showstoppers for others.

Absolutely, no disputing that. 
I was trying to make a point that "unstable", despite scary name is quite 
usable. Also as someone mentioned - backports should be the first option to try 
if you run stable. I run a few servers stable + backports and everything is 
rock-solid.


But I am afraid that we have deviated from the original topic.  If I 
understood Carl correctly - he was expressing his pain because of  
bureaucratic scrutiny of filing bugs to stable that brings absolutely no 
results. I can't help much here as I am just a mere user, but IMHO if software 
in stable does not work - it is a severe bug. It has to be either fixed or 
software should be removed from stable.


Thanks

Ihor Antonov

Re: Kind reminder: please don't reply to and/or quote spam, ever

[tomas]

On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 08:09:28PM -0600, Charles Curley wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 21:07:42 -0400
> Doug McGarrett  wrote:
> 
> > This may be a little off-topic, but it seems to me that any email
> > from a .nl address is spam. Am I wrong? (I just erase from the top!)
> 
> Yes, you are wrong. There are plenty of legitimate users in the
> Netherlands.

Seconded. I don't even know how Doug arrived at that conclusion.

Cheers
-- t


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Re: Reporting bugs in Stable

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Du, 19 apr 20, 13:28:57, Ihor Antonov wrote:
>  
> Reporting from Debian Sid, everything is quite stable. I do run ZFS on root 
> and make snapshots prior to big upgrades as a pre-caution, but so far 
> I did not have a reason to revert anything.

It's just a matter of time. Even if Debian does much more automated 
testing now than in the past some serious issues could still slip 
through.

> I was using Archlinux for a long time, and I can say that Sid feels 
> more stable than Archlinux, although software is less fresh. But 
> overall quite usable as a daily driver on my Lenovo X1 Extreme

As far as I know Archlinux is also not a beginners distro (like Mint or 
Ubuntu), so issues that may appear trivial to you can be major 
showstoppers for others.

Kind regards,
Andrei
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Re: apt-mark hold issue (apt Installed: 1.8.2 armhf)

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Du, 19 apr 20, 18:40:44, Michael Howard wrote:
> 
> I don't think apt and dpkg are linked in this respect, they didn't used to
> be. i.e. holding through apt had no affect on dpkg.

More like apt didn't have any interface to set/clear holds.

It seems to me like dpkg is the "keeper" of hold state, apt(-mark) and 
aptitude just change that (which makes sense to me).

It would be very confusing if apt/itude and dpkg had different ideas 
about what package is (not) on hold.

Kind regards,
Andrei
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Re: Buenos dias, estoy muy contento con el uso de Linux Debian 10 Buster en español de 64 Bis, pero tengo un problema que no imprime con mi impresora Hp Laserjet 1020, la instale varias veces, no sale

[Antonio Trujillo Carmona]

El 20/4/20 a las 7:43, Jose Guzman escribió:
>
> Atentamente,
>
> Jose Guzman Madrid
>
>
> CONFIDENCIALIDAD: Este mensaje y cualquier archivo anexo son
> confidenciales y para uso exclusivo del destinatario. Esta
> comunicación puede contener información protegida por derechos de
> autor. Si usted ha recibido este mensaje por error, equivocación u
> omisión queda estrictamente prohibida la utilización, copia,
> reimpresión y/o reenvío del mismo. En tal caso, favor de notificar de
> forma inmediata al remitente y borrar el mensaje original y cualquier
> archivo anexo.
> GRACIAS
>
Yo no tengo esa impresora, pero si otras de HP, bçasicamente te diría
que instales hplip y hplip-gui, después desde la hp-toolbox intenta
instalarla.

Si fuera un modelo parecida a la hp 1000, esa es antigua, pero se la
instale a un amigo utilizando el zoo (unos programas auxiliares.

Lo mejor, busca en internet por tu modelo y debian, o linux




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Re : Plus de son sous Buster

[nicolas . patrois]

Le 19/04/2020 21:52:03, Dethegeek a écrit :
> Bonjour

> Si timidity est installé et actif, le son ne fonctionnera pas. Il faut
> arrêter son service (sudo service timidity stop) pour que le son
> remarche. Il me semble qu'un redémarrage du service fera aussi
> l'affaire.

> L'expérience est probablement connue des joueurs de doom avec les
> musiques en MIDI

Tiens, je me disais justement que j’avais le son et la musique avec Doom 
(prboom-plus) en même temps que le reste avec pulseaudio.
Je regarde le fichier de configuration et oh ! pas de timidity, c’est 
fluidsynth à la place.

nicolas patrois : pts noir asocial
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Re: Kind reminder: please don't reply to and/or quote spam, ever

[tomas]

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 09:57:34AM +, Russell L. Harris wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 11:43:40AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> >>Thunderbird provides the command ":exec bounce-message".
> >
> >Oh, wow. Thanks for the hint. Does anyone know what that command
> >does?
> 
> Someone provided a detailed explaination of bounce a few messages
> earlier in this thread.  But briefly, bounce sends the message,
> intact, complete with attachments, if any, just as if you were a relay
> station.

Oh, this was explicitly about Thunderbird's ":exec bounce-message"?
I missed that bit, sorry for that. Will re-read.

> However, if you wish to make additions or modifications to the
> message, you use forward.  Forward is like a reply, except it is
> sent to a third party, rather than back to the sender.

"back to the sender" makes me unsure now: does ":exec bounce-message"
let you choose the target, or is it just "back to sender"?

I understand "forward": you get to write a message and send the
original wrapped in a MIME part, which would be OK (provided the
receiver can handle that).

Cheers
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Re: Kind reminder: please don't reply to and/or quote spam, ever

[tomas]

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 09:15:32AM +, Russell L. Harris wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 05:55:07PM +1000, elvis wrote:
> >>>On 19/4/20 5:03 pm, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> >>>Any idea how to do this in Thunderbird?
> 
> Thunderbird provides the command ":exec bounce-message".

Oh, wow. Thanks for the hint. Does anyone know what that command
does?

Thanks
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Re: plantage debian = Σ power-management (folding @ home)

[Marc Chantreux]

salut,

> Au passage, un vieux PC qui sur-ventile, il faut aussi penser changement de
> pâte thermique. Les machins autocollants d'origines ne vieillissent
> pas toujours super bien.

je n'ai malheureusement pas le droit d'ouvrir la machine :)

marc

Re: Kind reminder: please don't reply to and/or quote spam, ever

[The Wanderer]

(Extraneous quoted misattribution removed for clarity, after having
reviewed the thread to determine who actually wrote what.)

On 2020-04-20 at 05:15, Russell L. Harris wrote:

> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 05:55:07PM +1000, elvis wrote:
> 
 Any idea how to do this in Thunderbird?
> 
> Thunderbird provides the command ":exec bounce-message".

In what version, and where?

I'm running an older version (because of concern about undesirable UI
changes, which I haven't yet gotten around to setting up an environment
to validate without risking my live mail store), and as far as I can
see, there's no dedicated place to type in commands - and typing ':exec'
(sans quotes) into the general UI, with a message selected, seems to
result in the characters being treated as individual keyboard shortcuts.

I've been using Thunderbird for quite possibly decades by now (and
definitely so if you add in its suite-integrated predecessors), and I
think this is the first time I've seen a suggestion of a text-command
interface inside it. If there's one hidden in the version I'm using, I'd
like to know where to find it; if one was added in a newer version, I'd
like to know when they added it, and to some extent why.

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persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
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Re: Preciso contato

[Helio Loureiro]

Claro.  A lista que tem 5 mensagens por ano passar a ter 10.  Uma
catástrofe.

./helio

On Sat, Apr 18, 2020, 02:55 China  wrote:

> Vcs não entenderam? Enviem o WhatsApp de vcs pra ela. Poderiam ter feito
> isso no privado sem poluir a lista.
>
> Aí quando ela fizer contato vcs enviam pra ela o código de 6 dígitos pra
> ela gerar a segunda via do boleto.
>
>
>
> --
> Em sex, 17 de abr de 2020 18:39, Leonardo Ferreira <
> leoferreir...@gmail.com> escreveu:
>
>> Oi?
>>
>> Em sex, 17 de abr de 2020 17:20, Helio Loureiro 
>> escreveu:
>>
>>> Como assim?
>>>
>>> ./helio
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 19:18 Pamela Macedo  wrote:
>>>
 Ola boa tarde querianpor favor o contato do watssap para pedir 2via de
 boleto pkr favor poderia me passar por gentileza...
 Obgd des de ja

>>>

Re: SMS

[Klaus Becker]

Le 20/04/2020 à 12:47, ais...@free.fr a écrit :

Bonjour,

Je n'ai trouvé qu'une application sms vraiment super : kdeconnect-kde, 
je n'ai pas réussi à la compiler sous debian SID mais facilement sur 
ubuntu 19.10/20.04.


C'est un git car elle n'est pas encore sortie en version release.

Installation : https://community.kde.org/KDEConnect

github : git clone https://invent.kde.org/kde/kdeconnect-kde.git

cordialement

Henri


Oui, mais avec ça, le smartphone doit être branché sur l'ordi je suppose ?

Je cherche à lire les SMS sans le téléphone justement..

Klaus

Re: Kind reminder: please don't reply to and/or quote spam, ever

[Russell L. Harris]

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 05:55:07PM +1000, elvis wrote:

On 19/4/20 5:03 pm, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
Any idea how to do this in Thunderbird?


Thunderbird provides the command ":exec bounce-message".

Re: Kind reminder: please don't reply to and/or quote spam, ever

[Russell L. Harris]

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 11:43:40AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

Thunderbird provides the command ":exec bounce-message".


Oh, wow. Thanks for the hint. Does anyone know what that command
does?


Someone provided a detailed explaination of bounce a few messages
earlier in this thread.  But briefly, bounce sends the message,
intact, complete with attachments, if any, just as if you were a relay
station.

However, if you wish to make additions or modifications to the
message, you use forward.  Forward is like a reply, except it is
sent to a third party, rather than back to the sender.

RLH

SMS

[Klaus Becker]

Bonjour,

je voudrais pouvoir lire et écrire des SMS sous Debian.

J'ai installé sms4you, mais il me dit :

"$ sms4you
Error: Either XMPP or Email must be configured, but not both!
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/bin/sms4you", line 77, in 
main()
  File "/usr/bin/sms4you", line 51, in main
config = Configuration(args.configfile, VERSION)
  File "/usr/lib/sms4you/sms4you/core/configuration.py", line 38, in 
__init__

raise ValueError
ValueError"

Est-ce qu'il y a qn qui a de l'expérience avec les SMS sous Debian ?

merci

Klaus

Re: SMS

[Basile Starynkevitch]

On 20/04/2020 12:24, Klaus Becker wrote:

Bonjour,

je voudrais pouvoir lire et écrire des SMS sous Debian.

J'ai installé sms4you, mais il me dit :

"$ sms4you
Error: Either XMPP or Email must be configured, but not both!
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/bin/sms4you", line 77, in 
    main()
  File "/usr/bin/sms4you", line 51, in main
    config = Configuration(args.configfile, VERSION)
  File "/usr/lib/sms4you/sms4you/core/configuration.py", line 38, in 
__init__

    raise ValueError
ValueError"

Est-ce qu'il y a qn qui a de l'expérience avec les SMS sous Debian ?



Moi personnellement non, mais si j'ai bien compris il faudrait faire 
appel à un web service qui pourrait ne pas être gratuit (mais peu cher).



Ou bien alors avoir une box internet qui saurait le faire. Ca doit 
dépend du fournisseur d'accès internet.



Pour ceux et celles qui ont (en France) une FreeBox Revolution 
https://www.free.fr/freebox/freebox-revolution/ savez vous si c'est 
possible?


(légalement la freebox est louée, mais tourne probablement sous Linux).

Autrement dit, est-ce que Free publie une web API pour envoyer 
programmatiquement des SMS? Si oui, laquelle?



Librement

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Re: Kind reminder: please don't reply to and/or quote spam, ever

[Curt]

On 2020-04-20, elvis  wrote:
>
> On 19/4/20 8:35 pm, Liam O'Toole wrote:
>> On Sun, 19 Apr, 2020 at 19:11:55 +1000, elvis wrote:
>>> On 19/4/20 5:03 pm, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>>   
>> [...]
>>
 Note: "bouncing" is also called "redirect" in some mail clients and is
 *not* forwarding (should probably mention this in the wiki).U
>>> In over 25 years of email I have never come across this, so much to learn so
>>> little time.
>> The idea is common enough to mutt users. You simply type 'b' on an email
>
>
> I went straight from Pine to Eudora :-)

You *very* simply press 'b' in alpine, too (by the guy who invented
IMAP, BTW) and the message bounces away quite lightly without a trace
(which kind of bothers me, actually, and I wonder if there's an antidote for
that, though I don't use the feature often, in the beginning because I
didn't know exactly what the hell 'bounce' in the sense 'redirection'
was).

Simple is as simple does, I guess.


>
>> and enter the recipient address when prompted.
>>
>>> Any idea how to do this in Thunderbird?
>> Alas, despite having used thunderbird also for many years I have never
>> come across this feature.
>>


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Re: Kind reminder: please don't reply to and/or quote spam, ever

[The Wanderer]

On 2020-04-20 at 06:27, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 09:57:34AM +, Russell L. Harris wrote:
> 
>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 11:43:40AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

>>> Oh, wow. Thanks for the hint. Does anyone know what that command 
>>> does?
>> 
>> Someone provided a detailed explaination of bounce a few messages 
>> earlier in this thread.  But briefly, bounce sends the message, 
>> intact, complete with attachments, if any, just as if you were a
>> relay station.
> 
> Oh, this was explicitly about Thunderbird's ":exec bounce-message"? I
> missed that bit, sorry for that. Will re-read.

I don't think it was.

>> However, if you wish to make additions or modifications to the 
>> message, you use forward.  Forward is like a reply, except it is 
>> sent to a third party, rather than back to the sender.
> 
> "back to the sender" makes me unsure now: does ":exec
> bounce-message" let you choose the target, or is it just "back to
> sender"?

I think there's a bit of confusion here. I believe the mention of "back
to the sender" is in regard to "reply", not to ":exec bounce-message" or
to any bounce functionality.

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Re: For all specimens of Homo sapiens - about COVID19

[Nate Bargmann]

* On 2020 19 Apr 02:59 -0500, aces and eights wrote:
> The elite types that want to control the society outside of the national
> governments are ridiculing talk of these as they want to vaccinate
> everybody.

Seems our old friend Bill Gates (remember him?) is behind much of this
push for a required vaccination and also, according to some sources,
wants everyone to be chipped, as in having a permanent RF ID microchip
embedded somewhere on the body.  Will there be the ability to opt out of
this chipping nonsense?  Stay tuned.

> Interesting times.

Ironic...

- Nate

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Re: SMS

[Sébastien Dinot]

Klaus Becker a écrit :
> je voudrais pouvoir lire et écrire des SMS sous Debian.
> 
> J'ai installé sms4you, mais il me dit :
> 
> "$ sms4you
> Error: Either XMPP or Email must be configured, but not both!
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/bin/sms4you", line 77, in 
> main()
>   File "/usr/bin/sms4you", line 51, in main
> config = Configuration(args.configfile, VERSION)
>   File "/usr/lib/sms4you/sms4you/core/configuration.py", line 38, in
> __init__
> raise ValueError
> ValueError"
> 
> Est-ce qu'il y a qn qui a de l'expérience avec les SMS sous Debian ?

Mon expérience remonte à une bonne quinzaine d'années, mais en l'espèce,
les premières lignes du fichier README.md du projet montre que sms4you
est une passerelle entre un modem SMS et un serveur mail ou un serveur
XMPP :

https://github.com/xamanu/sms4you

« Idea

  Connect a suitable GSM modem or phone containing a SIM card into
  a computer (e.g. a Raspberry Pi) at a fixed place. Give sms4you access
  to either a simple email address or a small xmpp server. It will use
  this connection to receive emails or xmpp messages to be sent out as
  SMS and to send out emails or xmpp messages with received SMS
  messages. »

Pour envoyer ou recevoir des SMS sans modem, il faut passer par un
« broker » et utiliser son API. À l'époque où j'utilisais ce type de
service et sauf erreur de ma part (ça remonte à très loin), chaque
broker avait sa propre API, aucun standard n'existait. Je ne sais pas ce
qu'il en est aujourd'hui.

Voici quelques fournisseurs de tels services, trouvés au détour d'une
rapide recherche sur le net :

https://www.ovhtelecom.fr/sms/

https://www.smsmode.com/passerelle-sms-gateway-sms/

https://www.octopush.com/sms-api/envoyer-sms-par-mail/passerelle-sms/

Sébastien

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Re: Accessing security.debian.org through https

[Greg Wooledge]

On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 09:13:43PM +0300, Reco wrote:
> Technically, you can: https://deb.debian.org/debian-security
> Not that using it will not be useful in any way as currently it just
> serves an HTTP redirect to http://security.debian.org

That doesn't seem to be true.  As I said last week, my workplace's
firewall has recently started blocking Debian's package mirrors, but

deb https://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main contrib 
non-free

works for me.

Re: Kind reminder: please don't reply to and/or quote spam, ever

[Curt]

On 2020-04-20, to...@tuxteam.de  wrote:
>
> "back to the sender" makes me unsure now: does ":exec bounce-message"
> let you choose the target, or is it just "back to sender"?
>

What did I tell you?

pourquoi mes réponses mettent-elles une demi-journée avant d'être publiées ?

[Jean-Marc]

salut la liste,

Une idée pourquoi mes réponses mettent-elles si longtemps avant d'être publiées 
sur cette liste ?

J'ai envoyé un mail à 13h20 en réponse à une question.

Il est 16h45 et je ne la vois toujours pas arriver.

D'autre que moi font-ils face au même soucis ?

Bonne soirée.

Jean-Marc 
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Re: pourquoi mes réponses mettent-elles une demi-journée avant d'être publiées ?

[Cyrille]

Idem si je passe par un client mail
De suite si je passe par le webmail
pourtant inscrit sur la white list debian...


Le Mon, 20 Apr 2020 16:42:44 +0200,
Jean-Marc  a écrit :

> salut la liste,
> 
> Une idée pourquoi mes réponses mettent-elles si longtemps avant
> d'être publiées sur cette liste ?
> 
> J'ai envoyé un mail à 13h20 en réponse à une question.
> 
> Il est 16h45 et je ne la vois toujours pas arriver.
> 
> D'autre que moi font-ils face au même soucis ?
> 
> Bonne soirée.
> 
> Jean-Marc 
> https://6jf.be/keys/ED863AD1.txt

Re: pourquoi mes réponses mettent-elles une demi-journée avant d'être publiées ?

[Eric Degenetais]

Le lun. 20 avr. 2020 à 16:43, Jean-Marc  a écrit :
>
> salut la liste,
>
bonjour,
> Une idée pourquoi mes réponses mettent-elles si longtemps avant d'être 
> publiées sur cette liste ?
>
sans exclure d'un autre problème spécifique à vos mails, j'ai noté
moi-même des temps de transit plus élevés en ce moment,sans doute à la
suite de la charge inhabituelle des réseaux en ces temps de
confinement et de télétravail massif.
> J'ai envoyé un mail à 13h20 en réponse à une question.
>
> Il est 16h45 et je ne la vois toujours pas arriver.
>
> D'autre que moi font-ils face au même soucis ?
>
> Bonne soirée.
>
> Jean-Marc 
> https://6jf.be/keys/ED863AD1.txt

Cordialement
__
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Please, let this thread die [was: For all specimens of Homo sapiens - about COVID19]

[tomas]

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 06:54:57AM -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote:

[...]

> Ironic...

Whatever. Please, folks. Let this thread die already.

Thanks
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Re: For all specimens of Homo sapiens - about COVID19

[Steve McIntyre]

n...@n0nb.us wrote:
>
>Seems our old friend Bill Gates (remember him?) is behind much of this
>push for a required vaccination and also, according to some sources,
>wants everyone to be chipped, as in having a permanent RF ID microchip
>embedded somewhere on the body.  Will there be the ability to opt out of
>this chipping nonsense?  Stay tuned.

This is very much off-topic for debian-user, please take it elsewhere?

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