RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Message Sniffer Confidence

2002-11-13 Thread Uhte, Russ
We thought about that, but our users don't want it.. Period...  (So they
say)
-Russ

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:jcochran;naplesgov.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 3:31 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Message Sniffer Confidence


 That is exactly what we do...  But we don't delete weight20, we route
 it to a mail box, that way if a customer calls, we can retrieve the
 email, look at all the test it failed, if it needs whitelisted, we can
 do that, and then forward the message on...  We've had 0 problems with
 it!! -Russ

What about forwarding to a second mailbox for the client and 
allowing them to look it up or delete it?

Jeff
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude gone whacky?

2002-11-13 Thread Dan Spangenberg
Great! Do you think you can get it to work on aliases rather than just
intended recipients like you mentioned?

Dan


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 [mailto:Declude.JunkMail-owner;declude.com]On Behalf Of R. Scott Perry
 Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 6:15 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude gone whacky?



 The test email that I sent only had one recipient. The problem
 started when
 I sent the test message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] to test the
 filter setup.
 There was not a valid imail account or alias for muji. I waited
 a minute for
 it to process and then checked the declude logs to see what had
 occurred.
 That is when I noticed that the server was acting loaded. I checked the
 mailboxes where the muji message would have gone and it wasn't
 there yet, so
 it was still processing.

 We've found the cause for this; there is a bug in the handling of the new
 ALLRECIP filter option that is causing this.  It will be fixed in
 the next
 release.
  -Scott

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Something better than Declude

2002-11-13 Thread Tom Kemp
I appreciate the offer.  I put it forth to my Boss and the other Tech on
this project.  I don't think that they should give up on this yet...but they
think otherwise.  If I can manage to convince them to go forward, I will
take you up on your offer.
If, in fact, they do choose to give it another shot, I'll probably jump in
and help to get it going this time.  (If we do..Mr. Perry, I will let you
know, and we can start over again)

Thanks, Tom,

Dennis T. Kemp II (Tom)
Program Manager MCSE/CNA/A+
Control Concepts, Inc.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

703-876-6418
Fax#: 703-876-6416

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[mailto:Declude.JunkMail-owner;declude.com]On Behalf Of Tom
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 7:07 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Something better than Declude



 I've had two engineers here spending alot of time with this product.
 They are both considerably intelligent and experienced, yet they have
 had nothing but trouble.  We've played with a per-user package called
 IHateSpam before we tried the declude solution.  It wass very User
 friendly and worked right out of the box.  The down side was that it
 only worked with Outlook (not even Outlook Express), and was configured
 for each individual on their systems...no centralized database.  We would
 prefer something that was more centralized...
 giving more control to the engineers.

Declude gave me the features that Imail never had. - Tom, Image`fx

Spam is a never ending battle and there is no program and/or person that
can guarantee a spam free system without compromising legitimate mail.
With that said, if you or any one else on this list is in need of some
filters and/or other cfg files for declude let me know off of this list
and I will send them to you.  Don't forget you are always welcome to use
my updated blacklist and daily list of spammers.  The download links are:

http://www.imagefxonline.net/apps/delog/fromfile.txt
http://www.imagefxonline.net/apps/delog/daily.txt

Regards,
Tom
Image`fx

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude gone whacky?

2002-11-13 Thread R. Scott Perry


Great! Do you think you can get it to work on aliases rather than just
intended recipients like you mentioned?


Yes, in the next release, the ALLRECIPS filter option will work on both the 
intended recipient and actual recipient, so you won't have to have the 
account created on the server.
-Scott

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Fromfile Status 11/12/02- Image`fx

2002-11-13 Thread paul
   found: 26  ID-20021112-000700 @boing.azoogle.com

curious, but would having .azoogle be better than boing.azoogle? if they
change boing to boing2 the mail would get through correct?

That's the problem I have on deciding this stuff, if you say .azoogle alone,
ANYTHING from azoogle will be blocked correct? I haven't seen one legit
azoogle mail, but others may be legit. Obviously you don't want to block
@yahoo but maybe @something.yahoo.

argh my head. =)

Paul


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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Something better than Declude

2002-11-13 Thread Sean Fahey
Hello Tom -

I'm a recent addition to the Declude group and I don't usually endorse 
products or go out of my way to provide testimonials but... I think it's 
worthwhile to continue your trial. Most of the problems I've encountered 
have been, well, self-inflicted in nature. I've picked up a lot of good 
tips just lurking here in the list and the support has been better than any 
product I've ever used.

What I mean to say is, from an administration point of view, and taking TCO 
and end user training costs into account, the Declude option is probably 
going to be more cost effective for you.

-Original Message-
From: Tom Kemp [mailto:KempT;controlconceptsinc.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 8:35 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Something better than Declude


I appreciate the offer.  I put it forth to my Boss and the other Tech on
this project.  I don't think that they should give up on this yet...but 
they
think otherwise.  If I can manage to convince them to go forward, I will
take you up on your offer.

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] EzMTS

2002-11-13 Thread David Stavert
Scott
This is a message that arrives from the EzMTS mailserver to IMail/Declude. 

David 

 
 I have a customer that uses EzMTS, a Windows freeware 
 mailserver. When ever
 a message goes through that server and Declude all the Xheaders added by
 Declude show up in the body of the mail. Can I assure him that it's his
 problem (EzMTS).
 
 That's actually not a problem with EzMTS -- EzMTS does that by design.
 
 The X- headers that Declude adds to E-mails are just standard 
 headers.  Most mail clients will not display them by default, but 
 it seems 
 that EzMTS does.  Most likely, EzMTS has an option to disable 
 that, so the 
 headers won't be visible.
 -Scott

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] EzMTS

2002-11-13 Thread R. Scott Perry


This is a message that arrives from the EzMTS mailserver to IMail/Declude.


Ah, I see.  It probably is a problem with EzMTS, where the E-mail headers 
and the body can't be distinguished.

Do you happen to have a sample of one of these E-mails in an IMail .mbx 
file?  That would be the best way to determine what is happening.  If not, 
if you could send the complete headers and body of one of the E-mails that 
this happened to, that would be useful as well.
-Scott

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[Declude.JunkMail] Countrychain

2002-11-13 Thread Douglas Hardison
I've just upgraded to 1.62 and now I'm attempting to configure the country
test.
I've downloaded the dat file from
http://www.declude.com/release/162/all_list.dat
and placed it in the Declude folder.

In global.cfg I have:
XINHEADER   X-Country-Chain: %COUNTRYCHAIN%
and
COUNTRY filter  C:\IMail\Declude\country.txtx   1   0

country.txt is located in C:\IMail\Declude and formatted as such:
COUNTRY 1   CONTAINSAD

In default.junkmail I have:
COUNTRY WARN


In all the emails I've checked, the X-Country-Chain: header is empty. It's
there,
but it does not have a country listed.


What am I missing?

Thanks,

Douglas Hardison
Bits, Bytes and Pieces Internet Service
3332A-3 Airport Boulevard
Wilson, NC 27896
Voice: 252-234-7040
Fax: 252-291-2119
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Fromfile Status 11/12/02- Image`fx

2002-11-13 Thread Keith Johnson
Tom,
I wanted to thank you for your time and effort that you have put
into posting and keeping up to date a file that I can use to help guard
against spam.  I know how busy life and work can be and wanted to thank
you for your diligence in providing a service (free) to me as well as
this forum.  

Keith Johnson

-Original Message-
From: Tom [mailto:tom;imagefxonline.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:02 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Fromfile Status 11/12/02- Image`fx


50% effective

List of spammers caught by the Fromfile:
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  found:  2  ID-20021112-001525 @yite.com.ar
  found:  4  ID-20021112-000225 .gsjs.com
  found:  7  ID-20021112-000324 .ms83.com
  found: 26  ID-20021112-000700 @boing.azoogle.com
  found: 26  ID-20021112-000561 .YOURMAILSOURCE.COM
  found: 15  ID-20021112-001351 @senderlist5682.com
  found: 18  ID-20021112-000709 @bounce.rapid-e.net
  found: 22  ID-20021112-000707 @bounce.etracks.com
  found:  7  ID-20021112-001004 @hi-speed-mail.net
  found: 21  ID-20021112-59 .bluerockdove.com
  found: 34  ID-20021112-000705 @bounce.azoogle.com
  found:  1  ID-20021112-000736 @casinooptin.com
  found: 21  ID-20021112-000825 @direct4optin.com
  found:  4  ID-20021112-000706 @bounce.colonize.com
  found: 14  ID-20021112-001397 @stderr.handpickeddeals.com
  found: 10  ID-20021112-001242 @OptedForSavings.com
  found: 14  ID-20021112-001306 @redopti.com
  found:  1  ID-20021112-000781 @crucialoffers.com
  found:  1  ID-20021112-001581 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  found:  6  ID-20021112-000169 .emazing.com
  found:  4  ID-20021112-000785 @CuraLife.com
  found: 61  ID-20021112-000373 .opmnet.net
  found:  4  ID-20021112-000232 .heresadeal.com
  found: 40  ID-20021112-000310 .mb00.net
  found:  1  ID-20021112-000947 @funpageland.com
  found:  1  ID-20021112-001192 @mountainwings2.com
  found: 25  ID-20021112-73 .c0olmail.com
  found: 21  ID-20021112-000791 @dailypromo.net
  found: 11  ID-20021112-000790 @dailypromo.com
  found: 14  ID-20021112-000135 .dont-miss-this-deal.com
  found:  1  ID-20021112-000987 @greatofferstoyou.net
  found:  1  ID-20021112-001273 @playtowinnow.net
  found:  4  ID-20021112-001482 @virginpussies.net
  found:  1  ID-20021112-000197 .freebietoday.com
  found: 17  ID-20021112-000159 .emailcourrier.com
  found:  5  ID-20021112-001602 @free2sample.com
  found:  2  ID-20021112-000833 @discountcertificates.com
  found: 16  ID-20021112-000508 .transcentives.net
  found: 10  ID-20021112-000332 .myfunsleuth.com
  found:  2  ID-20021112-001354 @server-777.com
  found:  4  ID-20021112-001476 @valuegazette.com
  found:  5  ID-20021112-000391 .panoramicnet.com
  found:  9  ID-20021112-000199 .freeforum.com
  found:  1  ID-20021112-000593 @42promotions.com
  found:  1  ID-20021112-001487 @wagerdirect.com
  found: 38  ID-20021112-000153 .edirectbroadcast.com
  found: 35  ID-20021112-000704 @bounce.azogle.com
  found: 21  ID-20021112-000701 @boing.topica.com
  found: 48  ID-20021112-001485 @vmadmin.com
  found: 16  ID-20021112-000854 @e54.org
  found: 34  ID-20021112-000930 @free-gift-offers.com
  found:  1  ID-20021112-000282 .krazykash.com
  found:  2  ID-20021112-000560 .youriphost.com
  found:  5  ID-20021112-31 .astrology.com
  found:  1  ID-20021112-000271 .jserve21.com
  found: 19  ID-20021112-001026 @hsmedia-offer.com
  found:  2  ID-20021112-001067 @joefuzz.com
  found:  5  ID-20021112-000822 @digitalknowhow.net
  found:  5  ID-20021112-001428 @thecasinobeat.com
  found:  1  ID-20021112-000683 @bigfatbaby.com
  found:  1  ID-20021112-000337 .mynetoffers.com
  found: 30  ID-20021112-000121 .dealdelivery.com
  found: 11  ID-20021112-000529 .verticalresponse.com
  found:  5  ID-20021112-000489 .theoffers.com
  found:  7  ID-20021112-001145 @mail1.phcoutbound1.com
  found: 12  ID-20021112-000524 .VALOFFERS.COM
  found: 19  ID-20021112-000164 .EMAILOFFERS.INFO
  found: 16  ID-20021112-000140 .e-clk.com
  found:  6  ID-20021112-000535 .virtual3.net
  found:  2  ID-20021112-000152 .EDIETS.COM
  found:  1  ID-20021112-001422 @teleseeker.com
  found:  3  ID-20021112-001513 @xidserv.com
  found:  1  ID-20021112-001392 @stderr.clickformail.com
  found: 13  ID-20021112-001146 @MAIL1.SAVINGSENGINE.COM
  found:  1  ID-20021112-000838 @dlbdirect.com
  found:  1  ID-20021112-86 .clickaction.net
  

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SpamCop, OSSRC, and OSSOFT Tests

2002-11-13 Thread Ron Harris
Thanks John and Terry.  I think I have a very good plan of attack.  Both of
your replies were very insightful.

Ron

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[mailto:Declude.JunkMail-owner;declude.com]  On Behalf Of Smart Business
Lists
Sent:   Tuesday, November 12, 2002 10:39 AM
To: Ron Harris
Subject:Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SpamCop, OSSRC, and OSSOFT Tests

Ron,

Tuesday, November 12, 2002 you wrote:
RH I currently Hold a lot of e-mail failing a lot of the open relay tests.

The only two tests I hold directly are ORDB and SNIFFER.  ORDB is
about 99% for me and SNIFFER is less but still very high.  Mainly
SNIFFER fails on lists and personal messages from people who have
spam domain addresses.  ORDB only catches about 3.6% of our failed
messages so it is not a big deal one way or the other.

RH I am considering holding SpamCop and OSSRC also. I have not
RH noticed any legitimate e-mail failing these two tests. Can you
RH reply with some opinions please?

SPAMCOP is my number 3 test in terms of number of failed messages.
It ranks at 60.22% of failed messages compared to SNIFFER's 75.5%.
But it fails too many legitimate messages for my users.

OSSRC ranks 12th at 14.3% of failed messages but it also fails too
many messages for me to hold on it alone.

However, I weight both SPAMCOP and OSSRC so that any other test
failed with them will trigger a HOLD.

Keep in mind that we monitor HOLD and on average have to unhold
about 2% of filtered messages.

RH Also, I currently hold e-mail failing the OSSOFT, which will hold
RH Yahoo mail. How does everyone else handle this issue?

I weight OSSOFT the same as SPAMCOP and OSSRC.  It fails about 4%
of our failed messages.

But I think that every user community is probably different and ours
certainly changes over time so I do monitor and tweak these settings
frequently.


HTH

Terry Fritts

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Countrychain

2002-11-13 Thread R. Scott Perry


I've just upgraded to 1.62 and now I'm attempting to configure the country
test.
I've downloaded the dat file from
http://www.declude.com/release/162/all_list.dat
and placed it in the Declude folder.


Are you sure that it is located in the declude folder and named correctly 
(\IMail\Declude\all_list.dat)?

Did you download the all_list.dat file recently (this week)?  There was a 
corrupt version online the first day that it was available.

In all the emails I've checked, the X-Country-Chain: header is empty. It's
there, but it does not have a country listed.


The good news is that you are running a version of Declude that recognizes 
the %COUNTRYCHAIN% variable, and that the X-Country-Chain: header is appearing.

The next step would be to use the debug mode (LOGLEVEL DEBUG in the 
\IMail\Declude\global.cfg file), wait for a few E-mails to come through, 
and then send me the debug log file.
-Scott

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Fromfile Status 11/12/02- Image`fx

2002-11-13 Thread Dan Spangenberg
Are the messages from this particular thread getting caught by sniffer for
everyone else?  How does sniffer work and why is it catching this email?
Something with the wide variety of domains listed?


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:Declude.JunkMail-owner;declude.com]On Behalf Of Keith Johnson
 Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 10:08 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Fromfile Status 11/12/02- Image`fx


 Tom,
   I wanted to thank you for your time and effort that you have put
 into posting and keeping up to date a file that I can use to help guard
 against spam.  I know how busy life and work can be and wanted to thank
 you for your diligence in providing a service (free) to me as well as
 this forum.

 Keith Johnson

 -Original Message-
 From: Tom [mailto:tom;imagefxonline.net]
 Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:02 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Fromfile Status 11/12/02- Image`fx


 50% effective

 List of spammers caught by the Fromfile:
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Fromfile Status 11/12/02- Image`fx

2002-11-13 Thread John Tolmachoff
LOL

It got caught by CYBERsitter too.

Look at the list of the domains.

The body filters picked up on words in the list of domain names.

John Tolmachoff MCSE, CSSA
IT Manager, Network Engineer
RelianceSoft, Inc.
Fullerton, CA  92835
www.reliancesoft.com


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[mailto:Declude.JunkMail-owner;declude.com] On Behalf Of Dan Spangenberg
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 10:58 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Fromfile Status 11/12/02- Image`fx

Are the messages from this particular thread getting caught by sniffer for
everyone else?  How does sniffer work and why is it catching this email?
Something with the wide variety of domains listed?


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:Declude.JunkMail-owner;declude.com]On Behalf Of Keith Johnson
 Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 10:08 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Fromfile Status 11/12/02- Image`fx


 Tom,
   I wanted to thank you for your time and effort that you have put
 into posting and keeping up to date a file that I can use to help guard
 against spam.  I know how busy life and work can be and wanted to thank
 you for your diligence in providing a service (free) to me as well as
 this forum.

 Keith Johnson

 -Original Message-
 From: Tom [mailto:tom;imagefxonline.net]
 Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:02 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Fromfile Status 11/12/02- Image`fx


 50% effective

 List of spammers caught by the Fromfile:
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Fromfile Status 11/12/02- Image`fx

2002-11-13 Thread Tom

 @boing.azoogle.com
 
 curious, but would having .azoogle be better than boing.azoogle? if they
 change boing to boing2 the mail would get through correct?
 
I also have .azoogle.com listed.  This will catch almost anything from them
except for @azoogle.com - Using both these methods will allow you to catch
everything from azoogle.com - as in *.*azoogle.com

 That's the problem I have on deciding this stuff, if you say 
 .azoogle alone, ANYTHING from azoogle will be blocked correct? 
 I haven't seen one legit azoogle mail, but others may be legit. 
 Obviously you don't want to block @yahoo but maybe @something.yahoo.

This depends on you and your users.  If .azoogle.com is a legitimate
source for mass mailings and junk mail and you want to receive the
legitimate mail from them then you will need to allow the .azoogle.com
address while blocking only the nogood.azoogle.com addresses.

 argh my head. =)

I know what you mean.

Regards,
Tom
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Fromfile Status 11/12/02- Image`fx

2002-11-13 Thread Tom

 Any particular reason you are blocking o u t p o s t.com?

Although I am blocking it, does not mean you have to.
I don't remember every reason for each site added to
the list, however, more than likely they were sending
us junk mail without permission.  If you feel that for
some reason I am wrong for placing them into the list
then I would like to here it.  I am only human and
un-like a computer I do make mistakes and unlike a
computer I try to rectify them.

Regards,
Tom
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Fromfile Status 11/12/02- Image`fx

2002-11-13 Thread Tom

 LOL

You know what is even more laughable is that I am the
one who posted the list and it got caught by my own
spam traps.

Regards,
Tom
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Fromfile Status 11/12/02- Image`fx

2002-11-13 Thread John Tolmachoff
You know what is even more laughable is that I am the
one who posted the list and it got caught by my own
spam traps.

At least we all know it works. :))

John Tolmachoff MCSE, CSSA
IT Manager, Network Engineer
RelianceSoft, Inc.
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Fromfile Status 11/12/02- Image`fx

2002-11-13 Thread Bill Newberg
 I wanted to thank you for your time and effort that you have put 
 into posting and keeping up to date a file that I can use to help
guard 
 against spam.  I know how busy life and work can be and wanted to
thank 
 you for your diligence in providing a service (free) to me as well as 
 this forum.
  
Tom,

I second those thoughts. Thank you for continuing your good work.

Regards,

Bill

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[Declude.JunkMail] DSN:CYBERsitter NoXMail List

2002-11-13 Thread Brian Milburn

I want to thank everyone who requested a beta copy of CYBERsitter NoXMail.
There were quite a few requests and we received a lot of positive feedback and
a couple of good suggestions.

One user requested that we set up a mailing list so that beta users can ask
questions, and also so that I can send them announcements of enhancements and
'fixes' as they are posted. We also posted the beta so it can be downloaded.

Anyone using the beta is encouraged to subscribe by sending an email to:

   [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put SUBSCRIBE YOUR NAME in the message body.

We will be posting a new version this afternoon that implements some new spam
detection tests that help reduce false positives as well as the inclusion of a
couple of suggestions we received from users.

Thanks again, and thanks to Scott for providing an extensible product with
Declude JunkMail!

Brian Milburn
Solid Oak Software 

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[Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting To address

2002-11-13 Thread John Tolmachoff
A clarification on this post:

http://www.mail-archive.com/declude.junkmail;declude.com/msg04189.html

Having Declude Standard, I can only WHITELIST TO abuse or postmaster,
correct?

Is there another way to whitelist a to address?

John Tolmachoff MCSE, CSSA
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting To address

2002-11-13 Thread R. Scott Perry


A clarification on this post:

http://www.mail-archive.com/declude.junkmail;declude.com/msg04189.html

Having Declude Standard, I can only WHITELIST TO abuse or postmaster,
correct?


That is correct.


Is there another way to whitelist a to address?


Yes -- by upgrading to Declude JunkMail Pro.  :)

That's one of the primary distinctions between the Standard and Pro 
versions, is that the Standard version doesn't let users have their own 
settings, whereas the Pro version does.  The abuse@ and postmaster@ 
exceptions are to help users comply with the RFCs.
-Scott

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Fromfile Status 11/12/02- Image`fx

2002-11-13 Thread eddie pang
 If you feel that for some reason I am wrong for placing them into the
list then I would like to here it.  I am only human and un-like a computer I
do make mistakes and unlike a computer I try to rectify them.

I hope Spews is listening...

Sorry i just could not resist...

eddie :)

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