[Declude.JunkMail] BANEXT

2002-11-21 Thread Dan
We are using Declude Standard on IMAIL 7.X. Using BANEXT but it doesn't stop
any of the banned extensions from being received.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Dan

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] BANEXT

2002-11-21 Thread Patrick Childers
 We are using Declude Standard on IMAIL 7.X. Using BANEXT but it
 doesn't stop
 any of the banned extensions from being received.

BANEXT is not a Declude Junkmail feature, it is a Declude Virus feature. Do
you have Declude Virus?

-Patrick





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[Declude.JunkMail] filter question

2002-11-21 Thread Mike K
Can Junkmail pro filters (for msg body) use wildcards? Is there a reference?

I want to create a filter (to hold) msgs that have embedded urls with IP
addresses in them.

I can do this is my IMGate machine but want to see what I catch first.

Mike


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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] BANEXT

2002-11-21 Thread R. Scott Perry


We are using Declude Standard on IMAIL 7.X. Using BANEXT but it doesn't stop
any of the banned extensions from being received.


Note that the BANEXT option is only in Declude Virus, and will only work 
with Declude Virus Standard or Declude Virus Pro (you can type 
\IMail\Declude -diag from a command prompt to see which version you are 
running).
   -Scott

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] filter question

2002-11-21 Thread R. Scott Perry


Can Junkmail pro filters (for msg body) use wildcards?


No.


Is there a reference?


The Filtering section of the manual covers the filtering.  We do plan to 
add a reference section to the manual like for the whitelisting/blacklisting.

I want to create a filter (to hold) msgs that have embedded urls with IP
addresses in them.


The best you could do with Declude JunkMail would be to search for 
http://%;.  However, with IMail's filters, you should be able to be more 
accurate.
-Scott

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude Antivirus Question

2002-11-21 Thread R. Scott Perry


I noticed on the declude website that the antivirus solution 
doesn't carry a virus scanner with it, the user is to provide the scanner 
and the declude engine attaches to it.  Are you aware that this works 
with Computer Assoc. InoculateIT 6.0?  I do know that you can make a 
scanning boot disk (i.e. command line usuage) But was unsure how it works 
from there.  Thanks for the info.  (Pardon if this is the wrong forum for 
this post)

The Declude Virus forum would be better, but I'll still answer the 
question.  :)

InoculateIT should include either inocumd.exe or inocmd32.exe, which 
are command line scanners that can work with Declude Virus.  You may have 
to do a Full Install and search the hard drive for those files (they may 
not install into the directory you expect them to).
   -Scott

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[Declude.JunkMail] BlackList Limit ?

2002-11-21 Thread Brian Cunningham
Is there a limit on the number of addresses that I can blacklist within
a FROMFILE?

Thanks.

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] BlackList Limit ?

2002-11-21 Thread R. Scott Perry


Is there a limit on the number of addresses that I can blacklist within
a FROMFILE?


No, there is not.
-Scott

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[Declude.JunkMail] whitelisting

2002-11-21 Thread Adam Hobach
I have been using Declude for almost a year now and I thinks its the best
software ever made... I have tweak the settings and weights but I have run
into problem with the whitelisting for existing customers.

With WHITELISTING, I know there is a limit of 200 domains. Will this limit
ever be increased? Or maybe be made into a separate test like the FROMFILE
where ALL domains listed in that would be allowed???

The only other option I can think of is once you hit the whitelist limit of
200, you create a test using the FROMFILE and use a negative weight of like
100. This would kind of do the same thing of the whitelisting, just a little
hokey

Thoughts???

Thanks,

Adam


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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] whitelisting

2002-11-21 Thread Smart Business Lists
Adam,

Thursday, November 21, 2002 you wrote:
AH With WHITELISTING, I know there is a limit of 200 domains. Will
AH this limit ever be increased? Or maybe be made into a separate
AH test like the FROMFILE where ALL domains listed in that would be
AH allowed???

AH The only other option I can think of is once you hit the whitelist
AH limit of 200, you create a test using the FROMFILE and use a
AH negative weight of like 100. This would kind of do the same thing
AH of the whitelisting, just a little hokey

AH Thoughts???

I have dropped all of my whitelists and blacklists in favor of
weighted filter rules.  I put them all into a single Sql2000 database
table and maintain them there to avoid duplicates and program
expansion.  Then I generate DECLUDE's filter file from the database.

Anything that was whitelisted is now a negative weight.

The database and programmed maintenance has stopped all typing errors,
duplicates, and so on.  And I think it is faster, too, just have one
rule set.


Terry Fritts

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] whitelisting

2002-11-21 Thread R. Scott Perry


With WHITELISTING, I know there is a limit of 200 domains. Will this limit
ever be increased? Or maybe be made into a separate test like the FROMFILE
where ALL domains listed in that would be allowed???


That's something that quite a few people have requested, and we do plan to 
handle soon.  Most likely, we will add it as a file (hopefully possible on 
a per-user and per-domain basis as well as global).

The only other option I can think of is once you hit the whitelist limit of
200, you create a test using the FROMFILE and use a negative weight of like
100. This would kind of do the same thing of the whitelisting, just a little
hokey


In the meantime, that would work (although it would only apply to the 
weighting system, so it would prevent an E-mail from being held if you had 
SPAMCOP HOLD, for example).
   -Scott

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] whitelisting

2002-11-21 Thread Patrick Childers
 The only other option I can think of is once you hit the
 whitelist limit of
 200, you create a test using the FROMFILE and use a negative
 weight of like
 100. This would kind of do the same thing of the whitelisting,
 just a little
 hokey

That is kind of the way I do it. I use the WHITELIST FROM in the global.cfg
for domains (@example.com). For individual users ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), I have
set up a whitelist fromfile with a huge negative weight.

-Patrick


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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] whitelisting

2002-11-21 Thread John Tolmachoff
In the meantime, that would work (although it would only apply to the 
weighting system, so it would prevent an E-mail from being held if you had 
SPAMCOP HOLD, for example).

I think you mean it will not prevent a mail from being held with that rule,
correct?

John Tolmachoff MCSE, CSSA
IT Manager, Network Engineer
RelianceSoft, Inc.
Fullerton, CA  92835
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] whitelisting

2002-11-21 Thread R. Scott Perry


In the meantime, that would work (although it would only apply to the
weighting system, so it would prevent an E-mail from being held if you had
SPAMCOP HOLD, for example).

I think you mean it will not prevent a mail from being held with that rule,
correct?


You are correct.

I think I'm coming down with that darned keyboard virus that keeps spreading...
-Scott

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[Declude.JunkMail] rfc-ignorant vs UUNET

2002-11-21 Thread Smart Business Lists
A day or so ago I happened to discover that my class C was listed in
rfc-ignorant IPWHOIS. Further investigation showed that all of UUNET
was listed and since I was on UUNET I was included.

The reason for the listing has to do with the OrgTech handle (not Tech
hangel but OrgTech handle).  rfc-ignorant requires that this handle
respond to e-mail because it is accessible from a whois report.  UUNET
however only responds to mail from ARIN on that handle.  Apparently
the handle was not always visible via whois.

At any rate I sent both UUNET and rfc-ignorant a message complaining
about the listing.

I have to say that both of these organizations have responded to me
very rapidly and very professionally.  It is very encouraging really
to experience that on the Internet when the contrary is normally
expected.

UUNET says that new rules are being adopted at ARIN shortly which
should correct this. They also report that the whole thing occurred
because of ARIN rule changes that exposed the OrgTech hanlde in the
first place.  rfc-ignorant has the range on hold right now but not
listed.

It is probably not very important to anyone but thought I'd share
since I've been involved in the discussion.


Terry Fritts

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] rfc-ignorant vs UUNET

2002-11-21 Thread Rich
At 01:05 PM 11/21/2002 -0600, you wrote:

A day or so ago I happened to discover that my class C was listed in
rfc-ignorant IPWHOIS. Further investigation showed that all of UUNET
was listed and since I was on UUNET I was included.


I found since RFC-Ignorant began implementing these rules using that 
service generates way to many false positives, so I've removed it from Declude.


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[Declude.JunkMail] Error Message

2002-11-21 Thread Frederick P. Squib, Jr.
Is this a declude error or a virus scanner error, I started seeing a
bunch of these Couldn't move/copy data file [2].  Priority back to 32.
in my logs today.

11/21/2002 09:12:48 Qe9dc000c014e5cc2 Msg failed KFROM (
ID-20021121-000773). Action=DELETE.
11/21/2002 09:12:48 Qe9dc000c014e5cc2 Msg failed OSSRC ([1]
POSTMASTERGENERAL, see http://spews.org/ask.cgi?S809). Action=WARN.
11/21/2002 09:12:48 Qe9dc000c014e5cc2 Msg failed OSSRC2 (MINDSHARE-BLK-1
I thought mb00.net was supposed to be confirmed optin.
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=mb00hl=enlr=ie=UTF-8scoring=d).
Action=SUBJECT.
11/21/2002 09:12:48 Qe9dc000c014e5cc2 Msg failed WIREHUB-DNSBL
(66.115.39.216.blackholes.wirehub.net.). Action=WARN.
11/21/2002 09:12:48 Qe9dc000c014e5cc2 Msg failed WIREHUB-DNSBL2
(66.115.39.216.blackholes.wirehub.net.). Action=SUBJECT.
11/21/2002 09:12:48 Qe9dc000c014e5cc2 Msg failed CYBERSITTER (Message
failed CYBERSITTER: 203.). Action=WARN.
11/21/2002 09:12:48 Qe9dc000c014e5cc2 Msg failed WEIGHTRANGE14-22 (Total
weight between 14 and 22.). Action=HOLD.
11/21/2002 09:12:48 Qe9dc000c014e5cc2 Couldn't move/copy data file [2].
Priority back to 32.

Fritz

Frederick P. Squib, Jr.
Network Administrator
Citizens Internet Services
http://www.wpa.net

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Error Message

2002-11-21 Thread R. Scott Perry


Is this a declude error or a virus scanner error, I started seeing a
bunch of these Couldn't move/copy data file [2].  Priority back to 32.
in my logs today.


That error message is from Declude JunkMail, and will occur if the D*.SMD 
file (the one that contains the E-mail contents) no longer exists.
   -Scott

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] whitelisting

2002-11-21 Thread Colbeck, Andrew
I share your pain!  We've been live with Declude and HOLD actions for about
a week, and I've been beavering away at building our whitelist for 2 weeks.

In a nutshell, I'm building the whitelist because I want to keep my SPAMCOP
HOLD action (and a few others).  I've established with our team that going
to a pure weighted system is probably in our future.

I've added in 13 domain whitelists because SPAMCOP and OSS list
DartMail.com; heck, I used to manually blacklist flow-whatever.  I haven't
checked yet whether we are getting actual spam or just mailing lists from
DartMail.com, so I haven't whitelisted the HELO instead.  Anybody else have
a view to share on what they are getting from DartMail?

The thing I really hate about whitelisting is that a piece of spam gets an
express ride to our mailboxes if the spammer (or the next Hybris virus)
fakes a from address on my whitelist.

A nifty feature would be to have a whitelist count against a specific test;
but I suspect that Scott would instead council going with a pure weighted
system.

A variation on that feature, to counteract the fake from address, would be
to whitelist a combination of the current whitelist style plus a source,
e.g. 

WHITELIST FROM hotmail.com WHEN REVDNS ENDSWITH hotmail.com

OTOH, Scott's been keeping mum about the future of filtering; I suspect that
my suggestions could be user driven if he implements regular expressions
(hint, hint).

Andrew Colbeck
Technical Specialist
IT Department
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] whitelisting

2002-11-21 Thread Tom

I would suggest using a weight system and create a negative
weight for your whitelist so those on the whitelist will
not be able to get away with too much.

For example:

if you have @123.com whitelisted and someone sends spam,
it will not fail, however, if you gave them a -15
and the massage failed enough tests it would more than
likely be held by Declude.

I have not seen any legitimate mail (in my opinion) from
DartMail.com

Regards,
Tom
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] whitelisting

2002-11-21 Thread Smart Business Lists
Andrew,

Thursday, November 21, 2002 you wrote:
CA I want to keep my SPAMCOP HOLD action (and a few others). I've
CA established with our team that going to a pure weighted system is
CA probably in our future.

I have a rule that fires from a custom external filter program
that uses routeto and I have a weighting system.  I got around the
weighting conflict because Scott suggested using a negative weight
on the external filter results which then forces the rotueto.  It
is working wonderfully.

CA WHITELIST FROM hotmail.com WHEN REVDNS ENDSWITH hotmail.com

CA OTOH, Scott's been keeping mum about the future of filtering; I
CA suspect that my suggestions could be user driven if he
CA implements regular expressions (hint, hint).

You can write your own external program and then you do things
like that. I've done this and it works really well. Right now our
external program only has one rule in it but we could easily add
others.

Another option that will be soon available is SNIFFER which will
have user defined filtering rules. I don't know exactly how they
will be managed but if flexible enough then we'll abandon ours.

I'm doubtful declude will include a full regex engine but even if
I think I'd certainly expect to pay a pretty good fee for it.


Terry Fritts

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] whitelisting

2002-11-21 Thread John Tolmachoff
One thing I am considering is using a greylist, where known solid domains
that need it will go on a weighted whitelist of say -100 and the weighted
greylist will get say -15, and I would put those domains they needed the
help but not wanting to actually whitelist.

John Tolmachoff MCSE, CSSA
IT Manager, Network Engineer
RelianceSoft, Inc.
Fullerton, CA  92835
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] whitelisting

2002-11-21 Thread Tom

 One thing I am considering is using a greylist, where known solid domains
 that need it will go on a weighted whitelist of say -100 and the weighted
 greylist will get say -15, and I would put those domains they needed the
 help but not wanting to actually whitelist.

I actually use multiple lists for Declude.  If you want to take a look at 
our setup e-mail me off the list and I will send you all the filters and
files in a zip file.

Regards,
Tom
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Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] whitelisting

2002-11-21 Thread Roger Heath
Reply to: John Tolmachoff
  Re: [Declude.JunkMail] whitelisting on Thursday 5:02:56 PM

I'd like to do this. Will negative weights work for this list?

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J IT Manager, Network Engineer
J RelianceSoft, Inc.
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[Declude.JunkMail] forum for fighting fake From: fingerprint

2002-11-21 Thread Colbeck, Andrew
One particularly aggravating type of spam is where the from: is faked to be
from the recipient or the recipient's own domain.

I saw in the archive that this thread has been touched on before, but how
about once more around the mulberry bush?

I believe Scott mentioned that this behaviour counted as spammish behaviour
in SPAMHEADERS, but I think a more pointed ruleset would be very effective
against this kind of spam.

My assumption is that the way to implement this is to use an external
program to check a) the direction of the message, b) compare the from: (or
envelope to:?) and to:, and then c) check for exceptions (e.g. the road
warrior, the Blackberry pager).

Or is it all moot, because you're finding that spam with this fingerprint
is pretty well always caught because of other spammy characteristics?

I've found that HELOBOGUS, REVDNS, BADHEADERS and MAILFROM are all really
good indicators of spam, but that they are also indicators of a sloppy mail
admin and are thus way too common with normal mail.  I've lowered their
weight, therefore, my HOLD weight is high enough to not hit on them in
combination.

OTOH, I've found that LOOSENSPAMHEADERS+SPAMHEADERS and ROUTING to be worth
their weight in gold.

Andrew 8)
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RE: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] whitelisting

2002-11-21 Thread Tom

 I'd like to do this. Will negative weights work for this list?

I don't see why not, it's working for us.  You would probably
want to calculate out the total failed weight and use that
for your negative weight.

For example:

Spamcop = 15
OSSCR   = 15
OTHERS  = 20

Hold weight is 30
Delete weight is 50

So it would be safe to use a -30, but you will need to play
around with this more.  Each system is different and each
system may receive more spam from one address than another's.

Regards,
Tom
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[Declude.JunkMail] Variables?

2002-11-21 Thread Tom

Can variables be used in filter files?

For example:

SUBJECT 2   CONTAINSmembership for %variable%

Regards,
Tom
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Variables?

2002-11-21 Thread R. Scott Perry


Can variables be used in filter files?

For example:

SUBJECT 2   CONTAINSmembership for %variable%


No, that isn't currently possible.  The problem is that it wouldn't allow 
you to search for the % character, and which some people are using (for 
example, BODY 2 CONTAINS http:// % (minus that last space that I just 
added).  Hopefully we can find a way around that -- I'm not sure what the 
code would do if we added the variables there, and a non-variable was found 
in a %.
 -Scott

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[Declude.JunkMail] Declude log file - HELP!!!

2002-11-21 Thread Adam Hobach
Is this what my Declude log file should look like I have probably almost
20-30 instances of the declude.exe process running and the only thing I can
think of that I have changed is the loggin level from MED to LOW

See snip from log file below:

11/21/2002 19:32:17 Q889d000300da3fbe Checking redvsuite@ for ENDSWITH .AE
11/21/2002 19:32:17  CFG: Whitelisting IP 207.112.138.250.
11/21/2002 19:32:17 Q88ae000301b48226 Checking virtual subhost wfmr.com.
11/21/2002 19:32:17 Q8892000101f213bd Checking offers@spo for ENDSWITH .KY
11/21/2002 19:32:17 Q88c9001302beed25 Checking virtual subhost cunat.com.
11/21/2002 19:32:17  Defining test 5 OSRELAY [ip4r] with weight 5
(antiweight 0)
11/21/2002 19:32:17 Q88da001901b82ced Checking virtual subhost
design-partners.com.
11/21/2002 19:32:17 Q88be000502cac2aa Checking virtual subhost
vogeltool.com.
11/21/2002 19:32:17 Q88c4001600f4d910 Checking virtual subhost konicek.com.
11/21/2002 19:32:17 Q88c7001101b8e2a5 Checking virtual subhost mtvac.com.
11/21/2002 19:32:17 Q88e0002202be4632 Checking virtual subhost
woodlandfoods.com.
11/21/2002 19:32:17 Q88e6002200d45c1b Start
11/21/2002 19:32:17 Q88b2000900ec932e Checking virtual subhost
eagleluggage.com.
11/21/2002 19:32:17 Q88af000102ca8533 Checking virtual subhost wjmr.com.
11/21/2002 19:32:17 Q88d102d205fc Checking virtual subhost
amerigraphicsonline.net.
11/21/2002 19:32:17 Q88c1000302c2cbb2 Checking virtual subhost
sussexlions.org.
11/21/2002 19:32:17 Q88c3001100ecd4ab Checking virtual subhost
eng.nciaccess.com.
11/21/2002 19:32:17  CFG: Setting XOUTHEADER to X-Note: This E-mail was
scanned by CyberLynk JunkMail (www.cyberlynk.net) for spam.
X-Weight-Of-Failed-Tests: Total weight: %WEIGHT% X-Spam-Tests-Failed:
%TESTSFAILED%.
11/21/2002 19:32:17 Q886f0001016c8dc4 Checking virtual subhost
secondchanceprogram.org.
11/21/2002 19:32:17 Q88bd000401b4be74 Checking virtual subhost winnmug.com.
11/21/2002 19:32:17 Q88cb001200d4f514 Checking virtual subhost whvc.org.
11/21/2002 19:32:17 Q88d7000602ca22cb Checking virtual subhost
mail.benzoil.com.
11/21/2002 19:32:17 Q88b4000f00d499d5 Checking virtual subhost
advancemechanical.com.
11/21/2002 19:32:17 Q88ac000b00f47ca8 Checking virtual subhost
valuecreators.com.
11/21/2002 19:32:17 Q88d4000501b417de Checking virtual subhost
boxheaddesign.com.
11/21/2002 19:32:17 Q8893000200fa1870 Checking offerz@dpo for ENDSWITH .IQ
11/21/2002 19:32:17 Q8896000300dc26c8 Checking L255825897 for ENDSWITH .CK
11/21/2002 19:32:17 Q88a3000b00da599f Looking up MX/A record for abanet.it
at 206.54.254.3.
11/21/2002 19:32:17  CFG: Whitelisting FROM verisign.com.
11/21/2002 19:32:17 Q8882000401e0d711 Testing whitelist #59 1 kopnet.com
isting FROM galileo.com.
11/21/2002 19:32:17  Defining test 24 KFILE [fromfile] with weight
20 (antiweight 0)
11/21/2002 19:32:17 Q8898000200d82b1d Checking news@venda for ENDSWITH .BJ
11/21/2002 19:32:17 Q88a5000b00f45ec0 Testing IP 132.248.33.226
11/21/2002 19:32:17 Q8894000200ec1e6b Checking Hotwire.6f for ENDSWITH .FJ
11/21/2002 19:32:17 Q8893000200f81ae1 Checking Plains_Com for ENDSWITH .IN
11/21/2002 19:32:17 Q8895000200ea2149 Checking alice34@ya for ENDSWITH .EE
11/21/2002 19:32:17 Q8884000801eadced Testing whitelist #69 1 ademco.es
.
11/21/2002 19:32:17  CFG: Whitelisting FROM Computerworld.com.
11/21/2002 19:32:17  CFG: Whitelisting FROM eaa.org.



Does this make sense

Thanks,

Adam



Adam Hobach
CyberLynk Sales/Support
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude log file - HELP!!!

2002-11-21 Thread R. Scott Perry


Is this what my Declude log file should look like I have probably almost
20-30 instances of the declude.exe process running and the only thing I can
think of that I have changed is the loggin level from MED to LOW


The problem is that you entered an incorrect value (MED) -- it should be 
MID (or MEDIUM is OK too).  An incorrect value will default to the 
debug mode (in the next release, it will default to HIGH, as the debug mode 
should not normally be used unless there is a specific reason to).
-Scott

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude log file - HELP!!!

2002-11-21 Thread Adam Hobach
yep... your good

Thanks again,

Adam



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Is this what my Declude log file should look like I have probably
almost
20-30 instances of the declude.exe process running and the only thing I can
think of that I have changed is the loggin level from MED to LOW

The problem is that you entered an incorrect value (MED) -- it should be
MID (or MEDIUM is OK too).  An incorrect value will default to the
debug mode (in the next release, it will default to HIGH, as the debug mode
should not normally be used unless there is a specific reason to).
 -Scott

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