RE: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude and SPF

2004-05-06 Thread Markus Gufler

  Now one of our customers send a legit message trough our mailserver.
 
 Your  use of legit is confusing. Rephrased, an SPF TXT 
 record _is_ a legitimate  use  policy. For the purposes of an 
 SPF check, there is no greater arbiter of legitimacy than that record.

I specified legit in this case to simply indicate that the message is not
spam.
The current implementation of SPF will identify this message as FAIL because
it's coming from another IP then allowed in the SPF record.
If I have to allow in the SPF record that the message can come in from many
(all?) other IP's then the defensive function of SPF becomes pretty useless,
or not?


  Wouldn't this create a wrong result for SPFFAIL?
 
 There  are  no  wrong  results  with SPF (provided the SPF 
 parser is written  correctly).  If  you're  saying that you 
 set up an SPF record that  will  cause a fail for an IP or 
 PTR that isn't listed explicitly in  the  record,  and you 
 send mail from such an IP, then a fail isn't wrong!  Either  
 the policy is wrong outright, or you haven't created a setup  
 in  which  you  can  use  non-SPF tokens (such as SMTP AUTH) 
 to counteract the weight you're assigning to SPF FAIL.

So it's important to clarify that without SMTP-AUTH whitelisting or IP-RANGE
counterweighting Decludes SPF-implementation shouldn't be used with a strict
SPF record that indicates to the rest of the world that a legit message
from domain-xy.com should come only from our servers IP.


  Do  I  have  to  whitelist  all  local users in order to 
 avoid false positives.
 
 Well, what's a local user? If a local user is an AUTHed user, 
 then use WHITELIST  AUTH; if a local user comes from a known 
 IP range, then you can  whitelist  that IP if you think 
 that's safe, or add that IP range to the SPF record (which 
 will allow for sensitivity to other tests). I don't think 
 local user is really such a helpful term, since it could
 cover   just   MAIL   FROM:   @example.com   (as   Declude   uses   in
 short-circuiting some tests), or something more true.

A local user in my terms is anyone that connect to our server and both Imail
and Declude handle this as outgoing message. Remote users send (incomming)
messages that are delivered to local users.

Wouldn't be possible to let declude check for SPF-Records only for incomming
messages?

BTW: We use Imail v7 without the possibility to whitelist SMTP-AUTHenticated
users and without well defined IP ranges from which our customers connect
from.

Markus


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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude headers missing from several e-mails

2004-05-06 Thread R. Scott Perry

No backup software, no on access scanning.  I am having some other problems
with the machine - I'm about to nuke it regardless - I just wanted to make
sure that declude was still being called to scan for viruses until I get
this box formatted... ugh
Unfortunately, if the files can't be locked by Declude, then it is likely 
that the E-mails would not get scanned for viruses.  Declude expects to 
have exclusive access to those files.

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude headers missing from several e-mails

2004-05-06 Thread marc catuogno
Thanks -

It looks as if it was an aberration.  I've checked a few different day's
logs and didn't see could not lock file in any other log.  Something must
have been up.  Maybe I should look through the logs more thouroughly and
more often : )

Anything out there that could alert me to the fact that Declude hasn't
scanned a file (I know that is a broad question) something that would scan
the logs and e-mail me immediately if Declude encounters a severe error that
causes an e-mail (or e-mails) not to be scanned?

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No backup software, no on access scanning.  I am having some other problems
with the machine - I'm about to nuke it regardless - I just wanted to make
sure that declude was still being called to scan for viruses until I get
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Unfortunately, if the files can't be locked by Declude, then it is likely 
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[Declude.JunkMail] Attach Command

2004-05-06 Thread Goran Jovanovic
I am using the ATTACH command with the default spamattach.eml file. Is
there a method to specify a different .eml file? I would like to have
one per domain or for testing etc.

Thanx

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[Declude.JunkMail] %WEIGHT% variable as -100

2004-05-06 Thread Matt




Scott,

This may be very minor and possibly just cosmetic, I have found that
some messages will have a %WEIGHT% variable returned for a WARN action
that is -100 when such a score is impossible on our system. The
example below is from a message that scored 0 in the logs (seemingly
correct), but shows differently in the headers. I'm using 1.79i6
currently and am not aware of any ill effects as a result.

Thanks,

Matt


05/06/2004 10:21:44 Q49f201ad01ca801f L1 Message OK
05/06/2004 10:21:44 Q49f201ad01ca801f Subject: Your are ON OUR LIST --
from John
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] IP: 209.120.224.16 ID: 
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CATCHALLMAILS=WARN IPNOTINMX=IGNORE NOLEGITCONTENT=IGNORE
SIZE-XS=IGNORE NOTNULL=IGNORE PASSED=IGNORE 
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[Declude.JunkMail] IP In Hello

2004-05-06 Thread Kevin Bilbee
I have created a similar test that you pass teh %HELO% variable to here is
my setup. I have 0 0 for the weights because I am still testing.

I have found 1 false positive classmates.com has the ip
xx-xx-xx-xx.classmates.com in their helo string. I have also seen a few of
our customers sendign wellformed ip addresses as the helo string
[xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx].

CIP-WellFormed  external 10 D:\Imail\declude\ContainsIP.exe %HELO%
0   0
CIP-OnlyIpexternal 11 D:\Imail\declude\ContainsIP.exe %HELO% 
 0   0
CIP-FullMatch   external 12 D:\Imail\declude\ContainsIP.exe %HELO%
0   0
CIP-LeadingTextMatctexternal 13 D:\Imail\declude\ContainsIP.exe %HELO%
0   0
CIP-TrailingTextMatch   external 14 D:\Imail\declude\ContainsIP.exe %HELO%
0   0

Here is an example of each type of test match
WellFormed- [12.9.25.244] This would be an ATT ip address
wellformed in the HELO

OnlyIp- 12.9.25.244 or 12-9-25-244

FullMatch - cpe-069-132-189-042.carolina.rr.com or
client-200.106.20.200.speedy.net.pe

LeadingTextMatch  - xx3-client64-27-5-222-test.com

TrailingtextMatch - xx3-client64-27-5-222test.com although this has a
Leadgin and Trailing the Trailing will be the one  returned.


I have seen one abnomily with my code which I have not found a good way
arround

wbar1.tampa1-4-4-052-139.tampa1.dsl-verizon.net would match on 1.4.4.52 and
return a LeadingTextMatch


Here are my tats from yesterday for this test
Total unique messages scanned:   3645
CIP-FullMatch   : 78   3.31 %2.14 %
CIP-LeadingTextMatch: 15   0.64 %0.41 %
CIP-OnlyIp  : 76   3.23 %2.09 %
CIP-WellFormed  :  1   0.04 %0.03 %

Out of these there was

1 wellformed ip in the helo from a customer
  (it was also the only wellformed match for the day)
  I am not going to add weight for well formed ip address in the HELO
2 false positives from classmates.com
8 messages in the hold queue that would have been deleted if I was adding
weight
4 messages that would have been held if I was adding weight


Since the string to search is being passed as a variable you could use this
test with the reverse dns string or pass any declude variable to the test.


If anyone wants a copy let me know and I will send it to you. It is a .net
1.1 application

I will be more than willing to add tests if anyone can think up any others
that have a high probability of being spam.

Kevin Bilbee


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RE: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude and SPF

2004-05-06 Thread Kevin Bilbee
 Wouldn't be possible to let declude check for SPF-Records only
 for incomming
 messages?

Not on version 7. decluse does not know if it is a local or remote user
until Imail 8 and SMTP auth. Imail 8 indicates in the Q file it the user
authed or not not if the user is local or remote.


Kevin Bilbee

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[Declude.JunkMail] Email viewer

2004-05-06 Thread Patrick Allison
Hi All,

What app are you using to view emails that have been held by Junkmail?

TIA,
Patrick



Patrick Allison
Information Technology System Specialist III
Technology and Computer Service
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Email viewer

2004-05-06 Thread Darin Cox
Try SpamReview...

http://www.slsoft.com/spamreview.htm

Darin.


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Hi All,

What app are you using to view emails that have been held by Junkmail?

TIA,
Patrick



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RE: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude and SPF

2004-05-06 Thread Markus Gufler

  Wouldn't be possible to let declude check for SPF-Records only for 
  incomming messages?
 
 Not on version 7. decluse does not know if it is a local or 
 remote user until Imail 8 and SMTP auth. Imail 8 indicates in 
 the Q file it the user authed or not not if the user is local 
 or remote.

And why we can specify separate XINHEADER and XOUTHEADER lines?

Markus



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RE: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude and SPF

2004-05-06 Thread Kevin Bilbee
Good question I did not think of that. Scott will have to answer.
I beleive that all message are incomming at one point.

1) User sends a message from client
2) the message is oncomming to SMTP
3) SMTP determines that it is for another server
4) It then becomes an outgoing message???


My Best Guess correct me if I am wrong.

Kevin


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   Wouldn't be possible to let declude check for SPF-Records only for 
   incomming messages?
  
  Not on version 7. decluse does not know if it is a local or 
  remote user until Imail 8 and SMTP auth. Imail 8 indicates in 
  the Q file it the user authed or not not if the user is local 
  or remote.
 
 And why we can specify separate XINHEADER and XOUTHEADER lines?
 
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Attach Command

2004-05-06 Thread R. Scott Perry

I am using the ATTACH command with the default spamattach.eml file. Is
there a method to specify a different .eml file? I would like to have
one per domain or for testing etc.
No, only the \IMail\Declude\spamattach.eml file can be used with the ATTACH 
action.

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RE: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude and SPF

2004-05-06 Thread R. Scott Perry

 Not on version 7. decluse does not know if it is a local or
 remote user until Imail 8 and SMTP auth. Imail 8 indicates in
 the Q file it the user authed or not not if the user is local
 or remote.
And why we can specify separate XINHEADER and XOUTHEADER lines?
That's different.  XINHEADER/XOUTHEADER looks to see whether the E-mail is 
incoming or outgoing (based on the recipient(s), which is never 
forged).  All spam is incoming; the problem with SPF is determining if it 
is a local user that sent the E-mail.  Declude can't trust the sender 
address (which is often forged).

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RE: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude and SPF

2004-05-06 Thread Markus Gufler

 And why we can specify separate XINHEADER and XOUTHEADER lines?
 
 That's different.  XINHEADER/XOUTHEADER looks to see whether 
 the E-mail is incoming or outgoing (based on the 
 recipient(s), which is never forged).  All spam is incoming; 
 the problem with SPF is determining if it is a local user 
 that sent the E-mail.  Declude can't trust the sender address 
 (which is often forged).

Ok, I understand.
So it would be usefull that a positive SPFFAIL result would be ignored if
Declude can detect an SMTP-Authenticated user on v8 systems.

Markus



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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Attach Command

2004-05-06 Thread Goran Jovanovic
Scott,

Then let me add that to the request for enhancement pile.

Thanx


 
 Goran Jovanovic
 The LAN Shoppe

 

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 I am using the ATTACH command with the default spamattach.eml file.
Is
 there a method to specify a different .eml file? I would like to have
 one per domain or for testing etc.
 
 No, only the \IMail\Declude\spamattach.eml file can be used with the
 ATTACH
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] %WEIGHT% variable as -100

2004-05-06 Thread R. Scott Perry

This may be very minor and possibly just cosmetic, I have found that some 
messages will have a %WEIGHT% variable returned for a WARN action that is 
-100 when such a score is impossible on our system.  The example below is 
from a message that scored 0 in the logs (seemingly correct), but shows 
differently in the headers.  I'm using 1.79i6 currently and am not aware 
of any ill effects as a result.

X-MailPure: Spam Score: -100
How is the WARN action set up?  Which version of Declude are you running?
   -Scott
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] %WEIGHT% variable as -100

2004-05-06 Thread Matt
Scott,
Sorry, it wasn't the WARN action, it's coming from the XOUTHEADER 
(gatewayed client in this example):

   XOUTHEADERX-MailPure: Spam Score: %WEIGHT%
   - or -
   XINHEADERX-MailPure: Spam Score: %WEIGHT%
1.79i6 is the version that I am running presently.  Following are some 
other examples, with the first appearance in my inbox being April 12th 
which happens to be less than a week after you added the weight variable 
to the external tests, and just after you resolved the issue where the 
weights were appearing about 500 points above what they really were 
(only in the %WEIGHT% variable).  I don't believe this has affected how 
Declude handles the E-mail, just the %WEIGHT% variable itself.  It 
appears that the issue with the -100 only happens when the total score 
is zero.  I believe this is being passed off in the variable when used 
for external tests, but I haven't verified that yet.

Thanks,
Matt

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[Declude.JunkMail] Thank heaven for JM headers

2004-05-06 Thread Darin Cox



This is a thank you to Scott and his team for all 
of the great features in JM.

We havea few customers who relay all of their mail to a AOL accounts, 
insist onnobody aliases,and don't want filtering. One of these 
hadn't checked email in months and started today, clicking the AOL SPAM button 
like crazy. Obviously we started getting a ton of AOL TOS notifications, 
unfortunately theyfiltered out the destination email 
address.Thanks to the addition of an XINHEADER to 
display%ALLRECIPS%, we were able to quickly identity the culprit and get 
them stopped, thus protecting mail relay services to AOL for the rest of our 
customers.

Scott,thanks for thelifesaving features and 
unfailingsupport!
Darin.




Re: [Declude.JunkMail] %WEIGHT% variable as -100

2004-05-06 Thread R. Scott Perry

1.79i6 is the version that I am running presently.  Following are some 
other examples, with the first appearance in my inbox being April 12th 
which happens to be less than a week after you added the weight variable 
to the external tests, and just after you resolved the issue where the 
weights were appearing about 500 points above what they really were (only 
in the %WEIGHT% variable).  I don't believe this has affected how Declude 
handles the E-mail, just the %WEIGHT% variable itself.  It appears that 
the issue with the -100 only happens when the total score is zero.  I 
believe this is being passed off in the variable when used for external 
tests, but I haven't verified that yet.
I've found the problem.
When we made the change to the %WEIGHT% variable to calculate the current 
weight in the middle of testing, it would check to see if the final weight 
was 0 and if so would then calculate it directly.  It looks like we'll need 
to change that.

   -Scott
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