RE: [Declude.JunkMail] ORBZ gone
We use them as one of our tests, and we catch a fair amount of junkmail with them. Here are the tests I use on our Postfix gateway: bl.spamcop.net, orbs.dorkslayers.com, relays.ordb.org, formmail.relays.monkeys.com, proxies.relays.monkeys.com, spews.relays.osirusoft.com, spamhaus.relays.osirusoft.com, relays.osirusoft.com, dialups.relays.osirusoft.com, socks.relays.osirusoft.com, dnsbl.njabl.org We have just recently installed Declude VirusPro and JunkMail Pro on our IMail server, so we will be implementing there soon. Regards, Bill -Original Message- From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 9:45 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] ORBZ gone The NJABL tests look promising. Anyone tried them yet? --Matt Robertson-- MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Helpdesk Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 7:07 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] ORBZ gone on 3/21/02 9:28 AM, R. Scott Perry wrote: >> Since my logs show that ORBZ hasn't responded to my server since >> 2:19pm on 3/19, I was wondering what alternate services that are >> commented out of the global.cfg file are highly recommended or used? >> I would prefer to hear about ones that work well while my boss would >> prefer to hear about free or inexpensive ones. Are there any tests >> that allow a 30 day free trial? > > See http://www.declude.com/junkmail/support/ip4r.htm . Yes, I saw the page and have been reading about some of those tests. Thanks. I was hoping to hear from other mail administrators to see what works or doesn't work for them. > > The tests that currently charge money are the MAPS tests ( > http://www.mail-abuse.org ), SNIFFER ( http://www.sortmonster.com ), > and POSTFIXGATE ( http://www.postfixgate.com ). I believe that the > SNIFFER test is the only one that has a free trial. We used the trial version of Sniffer and liked the product so much we purchased it. Does anyone here use postfixgate? Comments on it? Thanks, Greg --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com . --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com . --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com .
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] ORBZ gone
on 3/21/02 12:45 PM, Matt Robertson wrote: > The NJABL tests look promising. Anyone tried them yet? Matt, I just started testing them about 90 minutes ago and so far they look very good. Greg --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com .
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] ORBZ gone
The NJABL tests look promising. Anyone tried them yet? --Matt Robertson-- MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Helpdesk Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 7:07 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] ORBZ gone on 3/21/02 9:28 AM, R. Scott Perry wrote: >> Since my logs show that ORBZ hasn't responded to my server since >> 2:19pm on 3/19, I was wondering what alternate services that are >> commented out of the global.cfg file are highly recommended or used? >> I would prefer to hear about ones that work well while my boss would >> prefer to hear about free or inexpensive ones. Are there any tests >> that allow a 30 day free trial? > > See http://www.declude.com/junkmail/support/ip4r.htm . Yes, I saw the page and have been reading about some of those tests. Thanks. I was hoping to hear from other mail administrators to see what works or doesn't work for them. > > The tests that currently charge money are the MAPS tests ( > http://www.mail-abuse.org ), SNIFFER ( http://www.sortmonster.com ), > and POSTFIXGATE ( http://www.postfixgate.com ). I believe that the > SNIFFER test is the only one that has a free trial. We used the trial version of Sniffer and liked the product so much we purchased it. Does anyone here use postfixgate? Comments on it? Thanks, Greg --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com . --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com .
DSN:Re: [Declude.JunkMail] ORBZ gone
So who's right and who's wrong here? ORBZ for not changing the test or Lotus for not fixing a bug in their software? In either case we loose another decent blacklist not because of some junk mailer fighting for the right to send junk but a software issue in one program. This would seem be a Lotus Domino problem that should have been corrected. As far as I can see the problem still exists. Just that ORBZ testing is not now affecting a large number of systems. Stu - CSOnline Technical Support hours - Monday thru Saturday 7am - 1am CSOnline Technical Support Numbers Seneca814-677-2447 Clarion 814-227-3638 Meadville 814-425-1696 Parker724-399-1158 http://www.csonline.net http://www.cshowcase.com http://www.learncenter.com - --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com .
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] ORBZ gone
We use SPAMCOP, MAPS RBL+, PostFixGate and SortMonster. MAPS RBL+ is the most expensive, and from our experience the least used. PostFixGate and SortMonster are spectacular. IMHO. -Mark - Original Message - From: "Helpdesk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 7:07 AM Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] ORBZ gone > on 3/21/02 9:28 AM, R. Scott Perry wrote: > > >> Since my logs show that ORBZ hasn't responded to my server since 2:19pm on > >> 3/19, I was wondering what alternate services that are commented out of the > >> global.cfg file are highly recommended or used? I would prefer to hear about > >> ones that work well while my boss would prefer to hear about free or > >> inexpensive ones. Are there any tests that allow a 30 day free trial? > > > > See http://www.declude.com/junkmail/support/ip4r.htm . > > Yes, I saw the page and have been reading about some of those tests. Thanks. > > I was hoping to hear from other mail administrators to see what works or > doesn't work for them. > > > > > The tests that currently charge money are the MAPS tests ( > > http://www.mail-abuse.org ), SNIFFER ( http://www.sortmonster.com ), and > > POSTFIXGATE ( http://www.postfixgate.com ). I believe that the SNIFFER > > test is the only one that has a free trial. > > We used the trial version of Sniffer and liked the product so much we > purchased it. > > Does anyone here use postfixgate? Comments on it? > > Thanks, > Greg > > --- > [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] > > --- > > This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To > unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and > type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". You can E-mail > [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web > site at http://www.declude.com . > --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com .
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] ORBZ gone
on 3/21/02 9:28 AM, R. Scott Perry wrote: >> Since my logs show that ORBZ hasn't responded to my server since 2:19pm on >> 3/19, I was wondering what alternate services that are commented out of the >> global.cfg file are highly recommended or used? I would prefer to hear about >> ones that work well while my boss would prefer to hear about free or >> inexpensive ones. Are there any tests that allow a 30 day free trial? > > See http://www.declude.com/junkmail/support/ip4r.htm . Yes, I saw the page and have been reading about some of those tests. Thanks. I was hoping to hear from other mail administrators to see what works or doesn't work for them. > > The tests that currently charge money are the MAPS tests ( > http://www.mail-abuse.org ), SNIFFER ( http://www.sortmonster.com ), and > POSTFIXGATE ( http://www.postfixgate.com ). I believe that the SNIFFER > test is the only one that has a free trial. We used the trial version of Sniffer and liked the product so much we purchased it. Does anyone here use postfixgate? Comments on it? Thanks, Greg --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com .
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] ORBZ gone
>Since my logs show that ORBZ hasn't responded to my server since 2:19pm on >3/19, I was wondering what alternate services that are commented out of the >global.cfg file are highly recommended or used? I would prefer to hear about >ones that work well while my boss would prefer to hear about free or >inexpensive ones. Are there any tests that allow a 30 day free trial? See http://www.declude.com/junkmail/support/ip4r.htm . The tests that currently charge money are the MAPS tests ( http://www.mail-abuse.org ), SNIFFER ( http://www.sortmonster.com ), and POSTFIXGATE ( http://www.postfixgate.com ). I believe that the SNIFFER test is the only one that has a free trial. -Scott --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com .
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] ORBZ gone
Since my logs show that ORBZ hasn't responded to my server since 2:19pm on 3/19, I was wondering what alternate services that are commented out of the global.cfg file are highly recommended or used? I would prefer to hear about ones that work well while my boss would prefer to hear about free or inexpensive ones. Are there any tests that allow a 30 day free trial? I assume someone on the list is using some services from MAPS and would like to hear about that service also. Thanks, Greg --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com .
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] ORBZ gone
Wow! Sure would like to try and help the guy out. I am not familiar with the Lotus Domino issue? Is there anything as a group we can do to help? -Don -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Tech Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 11:15 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] ORBZ gone -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of R. Scott Perry Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 10:41 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] ORBZ gone >Verified in a discussion on SPAM-L list. Verified by who? When ORBS died, there were tons of rumors, many so widespread that most people just assumed they were true, but few actual facts. Since the ORBZ site is no longer reachable, there isn't an easy source of reliable information. I know that there is discussion on the SPAM-L list about it, but has anyone on that list actually verified that it is true? I just didn't claim it to be a fact because of the ORBS incident, which took a couple weeks before it could be proven that ORBS was really gone. I just don't want to see another "A friend of a friend of my brother's wife's sister in law's favorite bartender told me that..." (which often gets written in an E-mail as "It is a fact that..."). -Scott FWIW, I received this moments ago. - Forwarded message from ORBZ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 03:15:49 + From: ORBZ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Shutdown Here's the email that those of you with forward sight have been fearing since the inception of ORBZ. As of this moment, ORBZ is shutting down. DNS zones are going to stop resolving, the website will disappear and mail will stop working (so furthur discussion on this list probably won't work -- use NANAE). I don't want to disappear in silence like ORBS, so I'll try for as much description as possible without compromising my own position. I received an official court notice this afternoon to turn over all information relation to ORBZ accounts. This came from the 10th Judicial District court of the State of Michigan. It appears that ORBZ may be facing criminal charges for denial of service relating to the Lotus Domino issue. I was happy to try to weather any civil issues that may have come up, and I was committed to seeing it through. However, the threat of jail time is too much; I don't believe in this fight quite that much. Thank you all for all your support. I sincerely hope that someone with the goal of carrying on the mission of ORBZ pops up in another country with a less foreboding legal system. Anyone who has copies of the current zones may do with them what they wish. For those of you stuck without good spam filtering, please consider ORDB and SpamCop; they both provide excellent free solutions. Ian Gulliver ORBZ -- This message was sent to the opt-in ORBZ list. If you do not want to receive ORBZ messages, please send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Denny Jodeit Flare Net, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com . -- [This e-mail scanned by CompBiz for Viruses. http://www.CompBiz.Net] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com .
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] ORBZ gone
>FWIW, I received this moments ago. Yes, that is the message that has been floating around this morning. -Scott --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com .
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] ORBZ gone
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of R. Scott Perry Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 10:41 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] ORBZ gone >Verified in a discussion on SPAM-L list. Verified by who? When ORBS died, there were tons of rumors, many so widespread that most people just assumed they were true, but few actual facts. Since the ORBZ site is no longer reachable, there isn't an easy source of reliable information. I know that there is discussion on the SPAM-L list about it, but has anyone on that list actually verified that it is true? I just didn't claim it to be a fact because of the ORBS incident, which took a couple weeks before it could be proven that ORBS was really gone. I just don't want to see another "A friend of a friend of my brother's wife's sister in law's favorite bartender told me that..." (which often gets written in an E-mail as "It is a fact that..."). -Scott FWIW, I received this moments ago. - Forwarded message from ORBZ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 03:15:49 + From: ORBZ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Shutdown Here's the email that those of you with forward sight have been fearing since the inception of ORBZ. As of this moment, ORBZ is shutting down. DNS zones are going to stop resolving, the website will disappear and mail will stop working (so furthur discussion on this list probably won't work -- use NANAE). I don't want to disappear in silence like ORBS, so I'll try for as much description as possible without compromising my own position. I received an official court notice this afternoon to turn over all information relation to ORBZ accounts. This came from the 10th Judicial District court of the State of Michigan. It appears that ORBZ may be facing criminal charges for denial of service relating to the Lotus Domino issue. I was happy to try to weather any civil issues that may have come up, and I was committed to seeing it through. However, the threat of jail time is too much; I don't believe in this fight quite that much. Thank you all for all your support. I sincerely hope that someone with the goal of carrying on the mission of ORBZ pops up in another country with a less foreboding legal system. Anyone who has copies of the current zones may do with them what they wish. For those of you stuck without good spam filtering, please consider ORDB and SpamCop; they both provide excellent free solutions. Ian Gulliver ORBZ -- This message was sent to the opt-in ORBZ list. If you do not want to receive ORBZ messages, please send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Denny Jodeit Flare Net, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com .
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] ORBZ gone
>Verified in a discussion on SPAM-L list. Verified by who? When ORBS died, there were tons of rumors, many so widespread that most people just assumed they were true, but few actual facts. Since the ORBZ site is no longer reachable, there isn't an easy source of reliable information. I know that there is discussion on the SPAM-L list about it, but has anyone on that list actually verified that it is true? I just didn't claim it to be a fact because of the ORBS incident, which took a couple weeks before it could be proven that ORBS was really gone. I just don't want to see another "A friend of a friend of my brother's wife's sister in law's favorite bartender told me that..." (which often gets written in an E-mail as "It is a fact that..."). -Scott --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com .
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] ORBZ gone
Verified in a discussion on SPAM-L list. John Tolmachoff IT Manager, Network Engineer 211 E. Imperial Hwy., Suite 106 Fullerton, CA 92835 714-578-7999, ext. 104 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.reliancesoft.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of R. Scott Perry Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 5:54 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] ORBZ gone It appears that ORBZ has gone the way of ORBS and died. There is a message claiming to be from the person who runs it that is floating around the Internet saying that he is facing criminal charges (because ORBZ would try relaying with "MAIL FROM: ", which would cause Lotus Domino systems to crash). The www.orbz.org site is no longer reachable, so this appears very likely to be true. If true, it means that you should stop using the ORBZIN and ORBZOUT tests in Declude JunkMail. -Scott --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com . --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com .
[Declude.JunkMail] ORBZ gone
It appears that ORBZ has gone the way of ORBS and died. There is a message claiming to be from the person who runs it that is floating around the Internet saying that he is facing criminal charges (because ORBZ would try relaying with "MAIL FROM: ", which would cause Lotus Domino systems to crash). The www.orbz.org site is no longer reachable, so this appears very likely to be true. If true, it means that you should stop using the ORBZIN and ORBZOUT tests in Declude JunkMail. -Scott --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com .
