RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Outbound Port 25, was - Virginia Indicts Indicts
Hm No sir, I don't like it! In the end where this is headed is that if you belong to their group then they will legitimize any messages that you send... then they will use their combined resources to loby and otherwise make it a bad thing for you to do any kind of filtering to their messages. The problem I see with this is that the receiver eventually loses control and power over that decision migrates toward those who have the money to pay for access. In my view it is another form of the sender-pays line of thinking - but worse because the paying part is downplayed. A tip-off is that the counter to this argument is up-front in their proposal. Specifically that they will create and manage a mechanism that tracks the end-user's subscrbe/unsubscribe requests... I think this is a lot like putting the foxes in charge of the hen house. My $0.02. _M |-Original Message- |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of |Burzin Sumariwalla |Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 2:12 PM |To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Outbound Port 25, was - |Virginia Indicts Indicts | | |Does any one have comments on any of the following: | |http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/software/groupware/ |story/0,10801,80626,00.html | |Project Lumos | |http://www.camram.org | |CANRAM | |Burzin | | |At 09:01 PM 12/15/2003, you wrote: | |How about some new suggestions for methods to combat the spammers? | |- | |--- |[This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] | |--- |[This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus |(http://www.declude.com)] | |--- |This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To |unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type |unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at |http://www.mail-archive.com. | |_ |[This E-mail virus scanned by 4C Web] | | |--- |[This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus |(http://www.declude.com)] | |--- |This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To |unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type |unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at |http://www.mail-archive.com. |--- |[This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] | |-- |Burzin Sumariwalla Phone: (314) 994-9411 x291 |[EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax: (314) 997-7615 | Pager: (314) 407-3345 | |Networking and Telecommunications Manager |Information Technology Services |St. Louis County Library District |1640 S. Lindbergh Blvd. |St. Louis, MO 63131 | |--- |[This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] | |--- |[This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Outbound Port 25, was - Virginia Indicts Indicts
Pete McNeil wrote: A tip-off is that the counter to this argument is up-front in their proposal. Specifically that they will create and manage a mechanism that tracks the end-user's subscrbe/unsubscribe requests... I think this is a lot like putting the foxes in charge of the hen house. I thought the tip-off was where they claimed that 15% of legitimate commercial E-mail was being blocked :) The good thing is that this will go no where because there are too many of us, and if it's unwanted and we block it, it only makes them look all the worse. As things stand, they have a lot of catching up to do. You don't create a monopoly out of anarchy. Matt --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Outbound Port 25, was - Virginia Indicts Indicts
|Pete McNeil wrote: | |A tip-off is that the counter to this argument is up-front in their |proposal. Specifically that they will create and manage a mechanism |that tracks the end-user's subscrbe/unsubscribe requests... I think |this is a lot like putting the foxes in charge of the hen house. | | |I thought the tip-off was where they claimed that 15% of legitimate |commercial E-mail was being blocked :) Just like me to miss the obvious first time around %^b _M --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Outbound Port 25, was - Virginia Indicts Indicts
Does any one have comments on any of the following: http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/software/groupware/story/0,10801,80626,00.html Project Lumos http://www.camram.org CANRAM Burzin At 09:01 PM 12/15/2003, you wrote: How about some new suggestions for methods to combat the spammers? - --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. _ [This E-mail virus scanned by 4C Web] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] -- Burzin Sumariwalla Phone: (314) 994-9411 x291 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax: (314) 997-7615 Pager: (314) 407-3345 Networking and Telecommunications Manager Information Technology Services St. Louis County Library District 1640 S. Lindbergh Blvd. St. Louis, MO 63131 --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Outbound Port 25, was - Virginia Indicts Indicts
Yes, I like the idea of reassuring that an unsubscribe site is not used for harvesting. I recognize that people often report something as spam, because they feel it's safer than being tricked into unsubscribing. Rather than getting negative weight du to Spamcop and being blocked, messages could pass to those people who truly wanted to know what items are new at Walmart. Best Regards Andy Schmidt HM Systems Software, Inc. 600 East Crescent Avenue, Suite 203 Upper Saddle River, NJ 07458-1846 Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) Fax:+1 201 934-9206 http://www.HM-Software.com/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Burzin Sumariwalla Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 02:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Outbound Port 25, was - Virginia Indicts Indicts Does any one have comments on any of the following: http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/software/groupware/story/0,10801 ,80626,00.html Project Lumos http://www.camram.org CANRAM Burzin At 09:01 PM 12/15/2003, you wrote: How about some new suggestions for methods to combat the spammers? - --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. _ [This E-mail virus scanned by 4C Web] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] -- Burzin Sumariwalla Phone: (314) 994-9411 x291 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax: (314) 997-7615 Pager: (314) 407-3345 Networking and Telecommunications Manager Information Technology Services St. Louis County Library District 1640 S. Lindbergh Blvd. St. Louis, MO 63131 --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
