Re: [DUG] Windows 7 Network Oddity

2011-02-16 Thread Rohit Gupta
I havent noticed it as I have always expanded the path to unc and beyond 
so that no matter what form they give me for the path,  it always 
evaluates to the same string.


Another thing that may effect you is that on 64 bit server using TS - 
constant crashes are being attributed to this issue.  And the workaround 
has been reported by other companies such as seagate - not to uses 
shared drives.  The error given is C006.



On 12/02/2011 12:20 a.m., John Bird wrote:

?I have software used on networks that commonly uses its shared folder
server as a mapped drive,  eg   M:\MyFolder with M: mapped to
\\Server1\MySoftware\
If a program runs from there, started as M:\MyFolder\MyProgram.exe  , there
is a difference between XP and Windows 7:

XP   Application.exename   returnsM:\MyFolder\MyProgram.exe

Windows 7   Application.exename   returns
\\Server1\MySoftware\MyFolder\MyProgram.exe

ie Windows 7 expands the mapped drive to its real UNC name rather than
returning the mapped drive name, even though the program was run from a
shortcut using the mapped drive name.

Anyone know if this is a setting or preference that can be altered?   Or do
I have to live with either being returned depending on Windows version?

Others may wish to check if this has ramifications for them!

John


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Re: [DUG] Windows 7 Network Oddity

2011-02-16 Thread John Bird
How do you expand the path to UNC?

The reason I am surprised in a way that MS have done this is that using mapped 
drives added a layer of abstraction from the server – if a server had F: mapped 
to \\SERVER01\DATA  then the server could be replaced, the mapping moved to 
\\SERVER02\DATA  on the workstation in Windows Explorer, and the existing 
shortcuts and saved setups needed no change – in practice this is very 
convenient because it gave a very easy way to upgrade a server.  Also the 
network upgraders only needed to know to edit the drive mappings in Explorer, 
now they might need to go into software packages and alter settings for each.

I can cater for this in my settings, but it means that any time a server is 
replaced the settings will have to be edited, and the shortcuts will also will 
probably have to be edited, as usually the server name changes.

I already have to cater for this for network printers, eg a printer might move 
from being called HPLaserjet and changed from being mapped to 
\\SERVER01\HPLASER  changed to \\SERVER02\HPLASER  so in a sense its just more 
of the same (printers never had a mapping anyway).

John
 
I havent noticed it as I have always expanded the path to unc and beyond so 
that no matter what form they give me for the path,  it always evaluates to the 
same string.

Another thing that may effect you is that on 64 bit server using TS - constant 
crashes are being attributed to this issue.  And the workaround has been 
reported by other companies such as seagate - not to uses shared drives.  The 
error given is C006.


On 12/02/2011 12:20 a.m., John Bird wrote: 
?I have software used on networks that commonly uses its shared folder 
server as a mapped drive,  eg   M:\MyFolder with M: mapped to 
\\Server1\MySoftware\
If a program runs from there, started as M:\MyFolder\MyProgram.exe  , there 
is a difference between XP and Windows 7:

XP   Application.exename   returnsM:\MyFolder\MyProgram.exe

Windows 7   Application.exename   returns 
\\Server1\MySoftware\MyFolder\MyProgram.exe

ie Windows 7 expands the mapped drive to its real UNC name rather than 
returning the mapped drive name, even though the program was run from a 
shortcut using the mapped drive name.

Anyone know if this is a setting or preference that can be altered?   Or do 
I have to live with either being returned depending on Windows version?

Others may wish to check if this has ramifications for them!

John 


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Re: [DUG] Windows 7 Network Oddity

2011-02-11 Thread Ross Levis
It would have ramifications for me as I validate the installation path in
the software from a registry entry written by the installer.

Hmmm.

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Subject: [DUG] Windows 7 Network Oddity

?I have software used on networks that commonly uses its shared folder 
server as a mapped drive,  eg   M:\MyFolder with M: mapped to 
\\Server1\MySoftware\
If a program runs from there, started as M:\MyFolder\MyProgram.exe  , there 
is a difference between XP and Windows 7:

XP   Application.exename   returnsM:\MyFolder\MyProgram.exe

Windows 7   Application.exename   returns 
\\Server1\MySoftware\MyFolder\MyProgram.exe

ie Windows 7 expands the mapped drive to its real UNC name rather than 
returning the mapped drive name, even though the program was run from a 
shortcut using the mapped drive name.

Anyone know if this is a setting or preference that can be altered?   Or do 
I have to live with either being returned depending on Windows version?

Others may wish to check if this has ramifications for them!

John 


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Re: [DUG] Windows 7

2010-07-03 Thread John Bird
What I was meaning was more on the lines of a project I worked on where 
problems came from the database connection details came from an ini file, but 
because the main form or the datamodule were created before the ini file was 
read and the database.connected was set to true, it got the wrong settings (eg 
a blank or invalid connection string) and an error message like you said.

In particular I got fooled by a subsidiary form that was not shown or opened 
before the error was one of the culprits, because the database connection was 
actually running in that form create event at program start - so I didn't at 
first realise that was the (not yet shown) form creating the trouble.

The solution in that case was to not have the database connected until all 
relevant settings (connection string etc) were loaded.   Involved some 
detective work to find the order that forms were created and various events ran 
that read the ini file, having database1.connected:=false in the 
form/datamodule, and putting code like

//read ini file and get settings.
database1.connected:=true;

What Colin said rings a bell too - I have seen a project where the order of the 
datamodules and the forms were quite particular (in the project file) - All the 
datamodules were created before any forms were autocreated.

I have also heard others say that sometimes when components such as 
datasources/querys/datasets are copied and pasted, and then their names and 
other details changed, on rare cases they might seem to have phantom settings 
that confuse (eg params might not  get set right in the dataset or unexpected 
field definitions) and the simplest solution is to delete and create them again 
fresh.   This case you could also find probably looking at the dfm as text.

John

Hi John

I set up the data aware components and datasets in a trial project and 
everything worked fine.

I then created a second datamodule (DM2) within the original project and copied 
the dataset and table to it, then connected the data aware components from the 
main form..

This worked well. So I am now pretty certain it has something to do with the 
datamodule form itself (DM1).

You suggested settings not being loaded at the correct time. I would appreciate 
some idea of how to check this out. 

I could just rebuild the project on DM2, however that's no guarantee that it 
won't happen again.

The ini file itself seems ok - at least to me.

Bob


From: John Bird 
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 5:24 PM
To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List 
Subject: Re: [DUG] Windows 7


I have D2007 on Windows 7, as far as I know I haven't used a Data module on 
yet.   However I have used a data module in a project running inside a VMWare 
XP virtual PC on the Windows 7 box definitely with no problem accessing 
databases.   I do recall that the 'Database Not Set'  might be caused by some 
settings (loaded from an ini file) not yet being in place when the Form Create 
runs, so you might want to make sure this is not what is behind it.   I had 
similar problems which were due to that.

If you are still stuck let me know, I could try a quick project - but I have 
D2007 not 2006.

John

Hi

I've just installed my BDS 2006 based project on Windows 7.

I have data aware components on a form communicating with datasets and tables 
on a Data Module Form (DM1).

I have no problem when the database is empty. I can compile the project, enter 
information into the databases and close the project and the information is 
distributed properly.

However, when I attempt to re-open the project (with the database containing 
information) it gives me a 'database not set' error and fails to compile.

When I move the dataset and table to the component form and reconnect them to 
the components on the same form, the project compiles and I can add and delete 
information and re-compile with no problem.

It seems that the problem may lay in a communication problem from the DM1 to 
the components.

Is this possible??

Bob





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Re: [DUG] Windows 7

2010-07-03 Thread Bob Pawley
Hi John and Colin

You both set me on the right track.

The project works with the datamodule listed after the main form, which 
contains the data aware components, in the Project\Options\Forms list.

Thanks for your help.

Bob


From: John Bird 
Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 4:47 AM
To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List 
Subject: Re: [DUG] Windows 7


What I was meaning was more on the lines of a project I worked on where 
problems came from the database connection details came from an ini file, but 
because the main form or the datamodule were created before the ini file was 
read and the database.connected was set to true, it got the wrong settings (eg 
a blank or invalid connection string) and an error message like you said.

In particular I got fooled by a subsidiary form that was not shown or opened 
before the error was one of the culprits, because the database connection was 
actually running in that form create event at program start - so I didn't at 
first realise that was the (not yet shown) form creating the trouble.

The solution in that case was to not have the database connected until all 
relevant settings (connection string etc) were loaded.   Involved some 
detective work to find the order that forms were created and various events ran 
that read the ini file, having database1.connected:=false in the 
form/datamodule, and putting code like

//read ini file and get settings.
database1.connected:=true;

What Colin said rings a bell too - I have seen a project where the order of the 
datamodules and the forms were quite particular (in the project file) - All the 
datamodules were created before any forms were autocreated.

I have also heard others say that sometimes when components such as 
datasources/querys/datasets are copied and pasted, and then their names and 
other details changed, on rare cases they might seem to have phantom settings 
that confuse (eg params might not  get set right in the dataset or unexpected 
field definitions) and the simplest solution is to delete and create them again 
fresh.   This case you could also find probably looking at the dfm as text.

John

Hi John

I set up the data aware components and datasets in a trial project and 
everything worked fine.

I then created a second datamodule (DM2) within the original project and copied 
the dataset and table to it, then connected the data aware components from the 
main form..

This worked well. So I am now pretty certain it has something to do with the 
datamodule form itself (DM1).

You suggested settings not being loaded at the correct time. I would appreciate 
some idea of how to check this out. 

I could just rebuild the project on DM2, however that's no guarantee that it 
won't happen again.

The ini file itself seems ok - at least to me.

Bob


From: John Bird 
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 5:24 PM
To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List 
Subject: Re: [DUG] Windows 7


I have D2007 on Windows 7, as far as I know I haven't used a Data module on 
yet.   However I have used a data module in a project running inside a VMWare 
XP virtual PC on the Windows 7 box definitely with no problem accessing 
databases.   I do recall that the 'Database Not Set'  might be caused by some 
settings (loaded from an ini file) not yet being in place when the Form Create 
runs, so you might want to make sure this is not what is behind it.   I had 
similar problems which were due to that.

If you are still stuck let me know, I could try a quick project - but I have 
D2007 not 2006.

John

Hi

I've just installed my BDS 2006 based project on Windows 7.

I have data aware components on a form communicating with datasets and tables 
on a Data Module Form (DM1).

I have no problem when the database is empty. I can compile the project, enter 
information into the databases and close the project and the information is 
distributed properly.

However, when I attempt to re-open the project (with the database containing 
information) it gives me a 'database not set' error and fails to compile.

When I move the dataset and table to the component form and reconnect them to 
the components on the same form, the project compiles and I can add and delete 
information and re-compile with no problem.

It seems that the problem may lay in a communication problem from the DM1 to 
the components.

Is this possible??

Bob





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Re: [DUG] Windows 7

2010-07-02 Thread Colin Johnsun
Hey Bob,

I could probably be totally off-track, but why don't you check the
order of the creation of forms. Go to Projects | Options... | Forms
and place the datamodule as the first item (or at least before the
form) in the auto-create form list. It may make a difference.

Cheers,
Colin

On 3 July 2010 08:39, Bob Pawley rjpaw...@shaw.ca wrote:
 Hi John

 I set up the data aware components and datasets in a trial project and
 everything worked fine.

 I then created a second datamodule (DM2) within the original project and
 copied the dataset and table to it, then connected the data aware components
 from the main form..

 This worked well. So I am now pretty certain it has something to do with the
 datamodule form itself (DM1).

 You suggested settings not being loaded at the correct time. I would
 appreciate some idea of how to check this out.

 I could just rebuild the project on DM2, however that's no guarantee that it
 won't happen again.

 The ini file itself seems ok - at least to me.

 Bob
 From: John Bird
 Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 5:24 PM
 To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
 Subject: Re: [DUG] Windows 7
 I have D2007 on Windows 7, as far as I know I haven't used a Data module on
 yet.   However I have used a data module in a project running inside a
 VMWare XP virtual PC on the Windows 7 box definitely with no problem
 accessing databases.   I do recall that the 'Database Not Set'  might be
 caused by some settings (loaded from an ini file) not yet being in place
 when the Form Create runs, so you might want to make sure this is not what
 is behind it.   I had similar problems which were due to that.

 If you are still stuck let me know, I could try a quick project - but I have
 D2007 not 2006.

 John

 Hi

 I've just installed my BDS 2006 based project on Windows 7.

 I have data aware components on a form communicating with datasets and
 tables on a Data Module Form (DM1).

 I have no problem when the database is empty. I can compile the project,
 enter information into the databases and close the project and the
 information is distributed properly.

 However, when I attempt to re-open the project (with the database containing
 information) it gives me a 'database not set' error and fails to compile.

 When I move the dataset and table to the component form and reconnect them
 to the components on the same form, the project compiles and I can add and
 delete information and re-compile with no problem.

 It seems that the problem may lay in a communication problem from the DM1 to
 the components.

 Is this possible??

 Bob

 

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Re: [DUG] Windows 7

2010-07-02 Thread Bob Pawley
Thanks Colin

However DM1 is first in the order followed by the main form and then by my 
trial DM2.

Thanks tho for the suggestion.

Bob



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From: Colin Johnsun colin.a...@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 3:54 PM
To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List delphi@delphi.org.nz
Subject: Re: [DUG] Windows 7

 Hey Bob,

 I could probably be totally off-track, but why don't you check the
 order of the creation of forms. Go to Projects | Options... | Forms
 and place the datamodule as the first item (or at least before the
 form) in the auto-create form list. It may make a difference.

 Cheers,
 Colin

 On 3 July 2010 08:39, Bob Pawley rjpaw...@shaw.ca wrote:
 Hi John

 I set up the data aware components and datasets in a trial project and
 everything worked fine.

 I then created a second datamodule (DM2) within the original project and
 copied the dataset and table to it, then connected the data aware 
 components
 from the main form..

 This worked well. So I am now pretty certain it has something to do with 
 the
 datamodule form itself (DM1).

 You suggested settings not being loaded at the correct time. I would
 appreciate some idea of how to check this out.

 I could just rebuild the project on DM2, however that's no guarantee that 
 it
 won't happen again.

 The ini file itself seems ok - at least to me.

 Bob
 From: John Bird
 Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 5:24 PM
 To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
 Subject: Re: [DUG] Windows 7
 I have D2007 on Windows 7, as far as I know I haven't used a Data module 
 on
 yet.   However I have used a data module in a project running inside a
 VMWare XP virtual PC on the Windows 7 box definitely with no problem
 accessing databases.   I do recall that the 'Database Not Set'  might be
 caused by some settings (loaded from an ini file) not yet being in place
 when the Form Create runs, so you might want to make sure this is not 
 what
 is behind it.   I had similar problems which were due to that.

 If you are still stuck let me know, I could try a quick project - but I 
 have
 D2007 not 2006.

 John

 Hi

 I've just installed my BDS 2006 based project on Windows 7.

 I have data aware components on a form communicating with datasets and
 tables on a Data Module Form (DM1).

 I have no problem when the database is empty. I can compile the project,
 enter information into the databases and close the project and the
 information is distributed properly.

 However, when I attempt to re-open the project (with the database 
 containing
 information) it gives me a 'database not set' error and fails to compile.

 When I move the dataset and table to the component form and reconnect 
 them
 to the components on the same form, the project compiles and I can add 
 and
 delete information and re-compile with no problem.

 It seems that the problem may lay in a communication problem from the DM1 
 to
 the components.

 Is this possible??

 Bob

 

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Re: [DUG] Windows 7

2010-07-01 Thread John Bird
I have D2007 on Windows 7, as far as I know I haven't used a Data module on 
yet.   However I have used a data module in a project running inside a VMWare 
XP virtual PC on the Windows 7 box definitely with no problem accessing 
databases.   I do recall that the 'Database Not Set'  might be caused by some 
settings (loaded from an ini file) not yet being in place when the Form Create 
runs, so you might want to make sure this is not what is behind it.   I had 
similar problems which were due to that.

If you are still stuck let me know, I could try a quick project - but I have 
D2007 not 2006.

John

Hi

I've just installed my BDS 2006 based project on Windows 7.

I have data aware components on a form communicating with datasets and tables 
on a Data Module Form (DM1).

I have no problem when the database is empty. I can compile the project, enter 
information into the databases and close the project and the information is 
distributed properly.

However, when I attempt to re-open the project (with the database containing 
information) it gives me a 'database not set' error and fails to compile.

When I move the dataset and table to the component form and reconnect them to 
the components on the same form, the project compiles and I can add and delete 
information and re-compile with no problem.

It seems that the problem may lay in a communication problem from the DM1 to 
the components.

Is this possible??

Bob





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Re: [DUG] Windows 7 Delphi 2007

2010-06-16 Thread John Bird
Program not able to change its taskbar icon update - the program concerned 
was being autostarted on login (ie there was a shortcut to it in the Startup 
folder).

Windows 7 introduces some disabling of startup features if they require 
elevation - changing the icon might be one of these.  I have realised that 
if the program is run normally (not from startup)  It can change its own 
icon OK.

This makes a bit more sense, but is still a bit of an oddity - for instance 
Windows Live Mail (Windows 7 mail program) changes its icon when new mail 
arrives - that implies that this notification is likely to fail to show if 
Windows  Live Mail is started from the Startup folderI might experiment 
with that, but so far I have not needed to restart Windows 7 often so it 
might be a while :)


John
 


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Re: [DUG] Windows 7 Delphi 2007

2010-06-16 Thread Ross Levis
I have an app that modifies the Windows\CurrentVersion\Run registry for auto
starting, and I just checked whether the app was loading elevated, and it's
not.  I can tell because drag  drop from explorer doesn't work when
elevated.

Does this mean that all apps sitting in the Startup folder are automatically
elevated without any prompting?  That sounds like a security risk to me.

Ross.

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Subject: Re: [DUG] Windows 7 Delphi 2007

Program not able to change its taskbar icon update - the program concerned 
was being autostarted on login (ie there was a shortcut to it in the Startup

folder).

Windows 7 introduces some disabling of startup features if they require 
elevation - changing the icon might be one of these.  I have realised that 
if the program is run normally (not from startup)  It can change its own 
icon OK.

This makes a bit more sense, but is still a bit of an oddity - for instance 
Windows Live Mail (Windows 7 mail program) changes its icon when new mail 
arrives - that implies that this notification is likely to fail to show if 
Windows  Live Mail is started from the Startup folderI might experiment 
with that, but so far I have not needed to restart Windows 7 often so it 
might be a while :)


John
 


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Re: [DUG] Windows 7 Delphi 2007

2010-05-27 Thread Jan Bakuwel
Hi John,

Wouldn't know out of the top of my head... I know it's a long shot but
how about trying to run your app as Administrator - see if that makes a
difference? Using D2010 on W7 here too - if you post a small example app
- ie. stripped down to just the problem - I'll have a play with it.

Jan


On 27/05/10 21:54, John Bird wrote:
 The following code which worked in XP/Vista no longer works in Windows 7 - 
 it changes the application icon in the taskbar  to show the state of 
 processing - in this case recording or pausing of automatic time recording.

 Anyone have ideas on how to do this especially so it will work in all 
 versions of windows?

 Snippets of code to show how I was using it - loading 2 icons from a 
 resource file.

 MinIcon : array[0..1] of TIcon;

 //load icons
   MinIcon[0]:=TIcon.Create;
   MinIcon[1]:=TIcon.Create;
   MinIcon[0].Handle:=LoadIcon(hInstance,'OWLWK');
   MinIcon[1].Handle:=LoadIcon(hInstance,'OWLSL');


 (code snippets from a couple of functions)

 //pause
  ATNowRecording:=false;
Application.Icon:=MinIcon[1];
 lblNowStatus.caption:='||';
 lblNowStatus.Font.Color:=$00F8FFF;//orange


  //start recording
  ATNowRecording:=true;
   Application.Icon:=MinIcon[0];
   lblNowStatus.caption:='R';
   lblNowStatus.Font.Color:=clMaroon;


 John 


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Re: [DUG] Windows 7 Delphi 2007

2010-05-27 Thread John Bird
Bingo - that was it - it needs administrative access and icon change works 
fine.   (The user I am logged in does already have administrator level - so 
I hadn't thought of this yet), but I need to run the program as 
administrator to have control over the task bar it looks.

Now - why did it used to work OK on Vista???  Any ideas? - will have to 
scratch my head on that.

John

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Subject: Re: [DUG] Windows 7 Delphi 2007

 Hi John,

 Wouldn't know out of the top of my head... I know it's a long shot but
 how about trying to run your app as Administrator - see if that makes a
 difference? Using D2010 on W7 here too - if you post a small example app
 - ie. stripped down to just the problem - I'll have a play with it.

 Jan


 On 27/05/10 21:54, John Bird wrote:
 The following code which worked in XP/Vista no longer works in Windows 
 7 -
 it changes the application icon in the taskbar  to show the state of
 processing - in this case recording or pausing of automatic time 
 recording.

 Anyone have ideas on how to do this especially so it will work in all
 versions of windows?

 Snippets of code to show how I was using it - loading 2 icons from a
 resource file.

 MinIcon : array[0..1] of TIcon;

 //load icons
   MinIcon[0]:=TIcon.Create;
   MinIcon[1]:=TIcon.Create;
   MinIcon[0].Handle:=LoadIcon(hInstance,'OWLWK');
   MinIcon[1].Handle:=LoadIcon(hInstance,'OWLSL');


 (code snippets from a couple of functions)

 //pause
  ATNowRecording:=false;
Application.Icon:=MinIcon[1];
 lblNowStatus.caption:='||';
 lblNowStatus.Font.Color:=$00F8FFF;//orange


  //start recording
  ATNowRecording:=true;
   Application.Icon:=MinIcon[0];
   lblNowStatus.caption:='R';
   lblNowStatus.Font.Color:=clMaroon;


 John


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Re: [DUG] Windows 7 Delphi 2007

2010-05-27 Thread Jan Bakuwel
Hi John,


On 28/05/10 11:17, John Bird wrote:
 Bingo - that was it - it needs administrative access and icon change works 
 fine.   (The user I am logged in does already have administrator level - so 
 I hadn't thought of this yet), but I need to run the program as 
 administrator to have control over the task bar it looks.
   

Windows 7 has a more strict access control system (Microsoft changed it
quite a bit since Vista) - even if the user has administrative rights,
any programs started by that user do not get administrative rights
unless explicitly granted (via a dialogue). I welcome this change ...
but it seems they might have taken it too far?

 Now - why did it used to work OK on Vista???  Any ideas? - will have to 
 scratch my head on that.
   

This is the wrong place to ask why :-P

Try scratching Bill's head instead of your own :-)

Jan

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Re: [DUG] Windows 7 Delphi 2007

2010-05-27 Thread Conor Boyd
I'm not particularly well up on Windows 7, but if you're talking about
applications by default NOT running elevated, then Vista was the same.

As you say, there is a difference between running applications simply
while logged into an administrative account and an application running
elevated, but it's not completely new in W7.

-Original Message-
From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz]
On Behalf Of Jan Bakuwel

Windows 7 has a more strict access control system (Microsoft changed it
quite a bit since Vista) - even if the user has administrative rights,
any programs started by that user do not get administrative rights
unless explicitly granted (via a dialogue). I welcome this change ...
but it seems they might have taken it too far?

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Re: [DUG] Windows 7 Delphi 2007

2010-05-27 Thread Jan Bakuwel
Hi Conor,

On 28/05/10 12:42, Conor Boyd wrote:
 I'm not particularly well up on Windows 7, but if you're talking about
 applications by default NOT running elevated, then Vista was the same.

 As you say, there is a difference between running applications simply
 while logged into an administrative account and an application running
 elevated, but it's not completely new in W7.
   

That is correct.

Microsoft changed the behaviour of UAC (User Account Control) quite a
bit in W7 compared to Vista.

Apparently this now includes access rights to icons in the Taskbar...
even if those icons are owned by applications elevated privileges
(apparently) are needed to update those icons.

John: Google for elevated privileges updating icons taskbar windows 7
- should give you some pointers.

Jan



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 From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz]
 On Behalf Of Jan Bakuwel

 Windows 7 has a more strict access control system (Microsoft changed it
 quite a bit since Vista) - even if the user has administrative rights,
 any programs started by that user do not get administrative rights
 unless explicitly granted (via a dialogue). I welcome this change ...
 but it seems they might have taken it too far?

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Re: [DUG] Windows 7 Delphi 2007

2010-05-27 Thread Ross Levis
Surely that is security gone made.  Not letting another application change
the icon of another is fair enough, but where is the security threat for an
application that created the icon in the first place!

Ross.

-Original Message-
From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On
Behalf Of Jan Bakuwel
Sent: Friday, 28 May 2010 1:43 p.m.
To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
Subject: Re: [DUG] Windows 7 Delphi 2007

Hi Conor,

On 28/05/10 12:42, Conor Boyd wrote:
 I'm not particularly well up on Windows 7, but if you're talking about
 applications by default NOT running elevated, then Vista was the same.

 As you say, there is a difference between running applications simply
 while logged into an administrative account and an application running
 elevated, but it's not completely new in W7.
   

That is correct.

Microsoft changed the behaviour of UAC (User Account Control) quite a
bit in W7 compared to Vista.

Apparently this now includes access rights to icons in the Taskbar...
even if those icons are owned by applications elevated privileges
(apparently) are needed to update those icons.

John: Google for elevated privileges updating icons taskbar windows 7
- should give you some pointers.

Jan



 -Original Message-
 From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz]
 On Behalf Of Jan Bakuwel

 Windows 7 has a more strict access control system (Microsoft changed it
 quite a bit since Vista) - even if the user has administrative rights,
 any programs started by that user do not get administrative rights
 unless explicitly granted (via a dialogue). I welcome this change ...
 but it seems they might have taken it too far?

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Re: [DUG] windows 7 and messagedlg

2010-01-19 Thread Jolyon Smith
Are you sure that it is the message display that is being suppressed and not
some change in the runtime conditions that lead to your application even
attempting to display the message in the first place?

 

e.g. (a completely made up example) :

 

If ForceDirectories( ' .. path to some folder in Program Files .. ' ) then

   // .. display the message

 

User reports message not being displayed, but the problem is actually a Win
7 permissions issue that is preventing ForceDirectories() from being
successful, not a failure to display the message.

 

This is not a very plausible real-world example, but is intended only to
illustrate my point/question.

 

 

From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On
Behalf Of Stephen Barker
Sent: Wednesday, 20 January 2010 11:16 a.m.
To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
Subject: [DUG] windows 7 and messagedlg

 

Hi,

 

I have a report from a Windows 7 user that a message from my app does not
show unless XP compatibility mode is selected.

 

The code that should fire is:

 

  messagedlg(msg, mtCustom, [mbOk], 0);

It is being ignored when run under normal Windows 7 default mode.

 

Any ideas?

 

I don't use Windows 7 here yet, but it looks like I may have to set up a
test environment. Actually I just have done a quick test using a simple
Delphi exe on Win 7 and it works fine. Must be something else in my app that
is causing the messagedlg to be suppressed. I guess I'll have to set up a
full Delphi 2007 install with components on Win 7 and debug this properly.

 

Regards,

Steve Barker
Webdata Ltd
ph +64 9 4103074 

 

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Re: [DUG] windows 7 and messagedlg

2010-01-19 Thread Cameron Hart
A longshot but are you calling MessageDlg prior to calling
application.run in the dpr?

 

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From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz]
On Behalf Of Stephen Barker
Sent: Wednesday, 20 January 2010 11:16 a.m.
To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
Subject: [DUG] windows 7 and messagedlg

 

Hi,

 

I have a report from a Windows 7 user that a message from my app does
not show unless XP compatibility mode is selected.

 

The code that should fire is:

 

  messagedlg(msg, mtCustom, [mbOk], 0);

It is being ignored when run under normal Windows 7 default mode.

 

Any ideas?

 

I don't use Windows 7 here yet, but it looks like I may have to set up a
test environment. Actually I just have done a quick test using a simple
Delphi exe on Win 7 and it works fine. Must be something else in my app
that is causing the messagedlg to be suppressed. I guess I'll have to
set up a full Delphi 2007 install with components on Win 7 and debug
this properly.

 

Regards,

Steve Barker
Webdata Ltd
ph +64 9 4103074 

 

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Re: [DUG] windows 7 and messagedlg

2010-01-19 Thread Stephen Barker
I ended up installing Delphi, all components, database and the project on a
new Win 7 pc provided by the customer.
Tracing using the debug vcl units showed that the calls to messagedlg and
below were fine - just not showing the dialog!
Just for the hell of it I threw in an Application.ProcessMessages
immediately before the call and now it all works again with or without the
XP compatibility setting.
 
The messagedlg was called after an intensive loop of data processing, but
I'm still not sure why the Application.ProcessMessages was necessary for
Windows 7.
It's a worry for other situations as well - not seeing a message is hardly
something that most users would report or even know they were missing.
 
cheers,
Steve

  _  

From: Jolyon Smith [mailto:jsm...@deltics.co.nz] 
Sent: Wednesday, 20 January 2010 11:36 a.m.
To: 'NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List'
Subject: Re: [DUG] windows 7 and messagedlg



Are you sure that it is the message display that is being suppressed and not
some change in the runtime conditions that lead to your application even
attempting to display the message in the first place?

 

e.g. (a completely made up example) :

 

If ForceDirectories( ' .. path to some folder in Program Files .. ' ) then

   // .. display the message

 

User reports message not being displayed, but the problem is actually a Win
7 permissions issue that is preventing ForceDirectories() from being
successful, not a failure to display the message.

 

This is not a very plausible real-world example, but is intended only to
illustrate my point/question.

 

 

From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On
Behalf Of Stephen Barker
Sent: Wednesday, 20 January 2010 11:16 a.m.
To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
Subject: [DUG] windows 7 and messagedlg

 

Hi,

 

I have a report from a Windows 7 user that a message from my app does not
show unless XP compatibility mode is selected.

 

The code that should fire is:

 

  messagedlg(msg, mtCustom, [mbOk], 0);

It is being ignored when run under normal Windows 7 default mode.

 

Any ideas?

 

I don't use Windows 7 here yet, but it looks like I may have to set up a
test environment. Actually I just have done a quick test using a simple
Delphi exe on Win 7 and it works fine. Must be something else in my app that
is causing the messagedlg to be suppressed. I guess I'll have to set up a
full Delphi 2007 install with components on Win 7 and debug this properly.

 

Regards,

Steve Barker
Webdata Ltd
ph +64 9 4103074 

 

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Re: [DUG] Windows 7 - compatibility issues

2009-11-09 Thread PDS - John
Hi Jason

 

I do not understand that my D4 installed and runs without any problems as an
XP SP app (without virtual PC installed) and D7 would required this
installation. Shouldn't this run just as easy an XP SP2 app as like my
installed D4?

 

John

 

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Behalf Of Jason Coley
Sent: Monday, 9 November 2009 12:24 p.m.
To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
Subject: Re: [DUG] Windows 7 - compatibility issues

 

Is running in XP mode a possible solution, you need virtual PC and XP mode
(free downloads on MS site). It can run apps in XP virtual PC, but as a
virtual PC, also good as the development environment is saved in Virtual PC,
so if a reinstall is required, your up and running very quickly.

 

 

Regards from New Zealand (GMT+11)

 

Jason Coley

Software Solutions

 

 

 

From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On
Behalf Of PDS - John
Sent: Monday, 9 November 2009 11:26 a.m.
To: Jason
Subject: [DUG] Windows 7 - compatibility issues

 

Hi all

 

I bought this new flash pc with Windows 7 - 64 bits installed and (most
apps) run fine and fast:) 

 

I installed my older version Delphi 4 without any problems. It detected and
installed automatically as a Windows XP SP2 kind of application.

However, I can't get Delphi 7 installed due to compatibility issues. I tried
all install options but no luck. It should run as a Windows XP SP2
application I would say.

Just going ahead with installation any way installs the lot and even starts
Delphi, however does not run properly as basic presentations go wrong. Also
other related Delphi utilities do not run due to compatibility issues.

 

Any suggestions are more than welcome.

John

 

 

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Re: [DUG] Windows 7 - compatibility issues

2009-11-09 Thread Jason Coley
Well I certainly don't know why, but just letting you know of the
virtual machine solution, which a lot of developers have 'warmed to' due
to ease of reinstallation of main OS.

 

I hope you find an answer, I know with D2007 and D2009 on Win7 x64 it
took me a while to get the debugger going until a hack was found.

 

 

Regards from New Zealand (GMT+11)

 

Jason Coley

Software Solutions

 

 

 

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On Behalf Of PDS - John
Sent: Monday, 9 November 2009 9:39 p.m.
To: Jason
Subject: Re: [DUG] Windows 7 - compatibility issues

 

Hi Jason

 

I do not understand that my D4 installed and runs without any problems
as an XP SP app (without virtual PC installed) and D7 would required
this installation. Shouldn't this run just as easy an XP SP2 app as like
my installed D4?

 

John

 

From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz]
On Behalf Of Jason Coley
Sent: Monday, 9 November 2009 12:24 p.m.
To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
Subject: Re: [DUG] Windows 7 - compatibility issues

 

Is running in XP mode a possible solution, you need virtual PC and XP
mode (free downloads on MS site). It can run apps in XP virtual PC, but
as a virtual PC, also good as the development environment is saved in
Virtual PC, so if a reinstall is required, your up and running very
quickly.

 

 

Regards from New Zealand (GMT+11)

 

Jason Coley

Software Solutions

 

 

 

From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz]
On Behalf Of PDS - John
Sent: Monday, 9 November 2009 11:26 a.m.
To: Jason
Subject: [DUG] Windows 7 - compatibility issues

 

Hi all

 

I bought this new flash pc with Windows 7 - 64 bits installed and (most
apps) run fine and fast:) 

 

I installed my older version Delphi 4 without any problems. It detected
and installed automatically as a Windows XP SP2 kind of application.

However, I can't get Delphi 7 installed due to compatibility issues. I
tried all install options but no luck. It should run as a Windows XP SP2
application I would say.

Just going ahead with installation any way installs the lot and even
starts Delphi, however does not run properly as basic presentations go
wrong. Also other related Delphi utilities do not run due to
compatibility issues.

 

Any suggestions are more than welcome.

John

 

 

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Re: [DUG] Windows 7 - compatibility issues

2009-11-08 Thread Jason Coley
Is running in XP mode a possible solution, you need virtual PC and XP
mode (free downloads on MS site). It can run apps in XP virtual PC, but
as a virtual PC, also good as the development environment is saved in
Virtual PC, so if a reinstall is required, your up and running very
quickly.

 

 

Regards from New Zealand (GMT+11)

 

Jason Coley

Software Solutions

 

 

 

From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz]
On Behalf Of PDS - John
Sent: Monday, 9 November 2009 11:26 a.m.
To: Jason
Subject: [DUG] Windows 7 - compatibility issues

 

Hi all

 

I bought this new flash pc with Windows 7 - 64 bits installed and (most
apps) run fine and fast:) 

 

I installed my older version Delphi 4 without any problems. It detected
and installed automatically as a Windows XP SP2 kind of application.

However, I can't get Delphi 7 installed due to compatibility issues. I
tried all install options but no luck. It should run as a Windows XP SP2
application I would say.

Just going ahead with installation any way installs the lot and even
starts Delphi, however does not run properly as basic presentations go
wrong. Also other related Delphi utilities do not run due to
compatibility issues.

 

Any suggestions are more than welcome.

John

 

 

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Re: [DUG] Windows 7

2009-05-06 Thread Sean Cross
I have been running W7 on my main computer for some time now.  I like it better 
than Vista or OSX.  I have a few blue screens in the beta but the rtm seems 
fine.

Regards

Sean Cross
CIO
Catalyst Risk Management

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Sent: Thursday, 7 May 2009 3:52 p.m.
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Subject: Re: [DUG] Elevating Delphi code in Vista


On that not, anyone tried Windows 7 yet? I am liking it so far.

Jeremy

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Re: [DUG] Windows 7

2009-05-06 Thread Richard Vowles
It is out?

2009/5/7 Sean Cross sean.cr...@catalystrisk.co.nz

  I have been running W7 on my main computer for some time now.  I like it
 better than Vista or OSX.  I have a few blue screens in the beta but the rtm
 seems fine.



 Regards



 Sean Cross
 CIO

 Catalyst Risk Management



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 On that not, anyone tried Windows 7 yet? I am liking it so far.

 Jeremy



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Re: [DUG] Windows 7

2009-05-06 Thread Jason Saggers
RC1 released to public yesterday

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From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On
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Sent: Thursday, 7 May 2009 5:04 p.m.
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It is out?


2009/5/7 Sean Cross sean.cr...@catalystrisk.co.nz


I have been running W7 on my main computer for some time now.  I like it
better than Vista or OSX.  I have a few blue screens in the beta but the rtm
seems fine.

 

Regards

 

Sean Cross
CIO

Catalyst Risk Management

 

From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On
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On that not, anyone tried Windows 7 yet? I am liking it so far.

Jeremy

 


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Re: [DUG] Windows 7

2009-05-06 Thread Jason Coley
Can anyone debug correctly with Win7 x64 with Delphi 2007 or 2009. I am
getting an assertion bug when debugging anything that uses threading,
which will crash straight to the desktop.

 

It appears to be something with Win7 x64 only.

 

Jasonm

 

From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz]
On Behalf Of Richard Vowles
Sent: Thursday, 7 May 2009 5:14 p.m.
To: Jason
Subject: Re: [DUG] Windows 7

 

It is out?

2009/5/7 Sean Cross sean.cr...@catalystrisk.co.nz

I have been running W7 on my main computer for some time now.  I like it
better than Vista or OSX.  I have a few blue screens in the beta but the
rtm seems fine.

 

Regards

 

Sean Cross
CIO

Catalyst Risk Management

 

From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz]
On Behalf Of Jeremy Coulter
Sent: Thursday, 7 May 2009 3:52 p.m.
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Subject: Re: [DUG] Elevating Delphi code in Vista

 


On that not, anyone tried Windows 7 yet? I am liking it so far.

Jeremy

 


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