Re: [libreoffice-design] Document Saved indicator
Hi Ubuntu wanted to make Windicators (indicators related to the current Window, included in the titlebar see here [1] and here [2], but no news since a long time. Maybe we should ask Canonical whether it will be done if it's the only distro/OS that as the problem. [1] : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ayatana/Windicators [2] : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ayatana/Windicators/DanielsWindicators Kévin 2012/6/7 nick rundy nru...@hotmail.com Titlebar might not be the best place to move such an indicator to. Consider distros like Ubuntu that integrate the Titlebar into the top panel when window is maximized. Is there a reason to not have the Save Icon act as the indicator--it just won't work if it's an icon and therefore has to follow the icon rules? Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 15:13:43 -0400 From: kohei.yosh...@gmail.com To: design@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-design] Document Saved indicator On 06/04/2012 08:54 AM, nick rundy wrote: But you say it is not reliable to rely on the save icon to show modification status? That the status bar is a more accurate indicator of this? Yes. For now it's the indicator in the status bar. And (as I understand it) folks here are discussing about moving it to somewhere else to places such as the title bar. Kohei -- Kohei Yoshida, LibreOffice hacker, Calc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-design] Document Saved indicator
Titlebar might not be the best place to move such an indicator to. Consider distros like Ubuntu that integrate the Titlebar into the top panel when window is maximized. Is there a reason to not have the Save Icon act as the indicator--it just won't work if it's an icon and therefore has to follow the icon rules? Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 15:13:43 -0400 From: kohei.yosh...@gmail.com To: design@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-design] Document Saved indicator On 06/04/2012 08:54 AM, nick rundy wrote: But you say it is not reliable to rely on the save icon to show modification status? That the status bar is a more accurate indicator of this? Yes. For now it's the indicator in the status bar. And (as I understand it) folks here are discussing about moving it to somewhere else to places such as the title bar. Kohei -- Kohei Yoshida, LibreOffice hacker, Calc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Document Saved indicator
On 06/04/2012 08:54 AM, nick rundy wrote: But you say it is not reliable to rely on the save icon to show modification status? That the status bar is a more accurate indicator of this? Yes. For now it's the indicator in the status bar. And (as I understand it) folks here are discussing about moving it to somewhere else to places such as the title bar. Kohei -- Kohei Yoshida, LibreOffice hacker, Calc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-design] Document Saved indicator
*sigh* I guess the mis-use is very much prevalent. I was not aware that the Status Bar communicated save-status. I suspect the majority of LO users are also not aware of this. It is easy to see why users have adopted a mis-use of the Save Icon, assuming it is a mis-use. Users have an icon they click to save a document. It is a fairly well sized icon. Whey they go to click the icon and it is grayed out, no save is possible. No save possible = nothing is in need of saving. Hence the icon becomes a communicator as well as a saver. Whether a correct judgment or not, it is a common induction people are making. But you say it is not reliable to rely on the save icon to show modification status? That the status bar is a more accurate indicator of this? Subject: Re: [libreoffice-design] Document Saved indicator From: kohei.yosh...@gmail.com To: design@global.libreoffice.org Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 22:57:33 -0400 On Thu, 2012-05-31 at 22:54 -0400, Jay Lozier wrote: The grayed out Save button in LO also indicates that the document in unchanged since the last change. This is a very handy at a glance feature to know the save status. Since we are now going in circles, I'll resign myself from further discussion. Have a nice day. Kohei -- Kohei Yoshida, LibreOffice hacker, Calc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Document Saved indicator
Le 31/05/2012 21:29, Kohei Yoshida a écrit : There is another reason for that. Document not only store its content but also view properties, but a change in the view properties doesn't trigger a document modified status. Here, view properties include things like (in case of spreadsheet) active sheet, cursor position, zoom level etc. But quite often you want to store the view properties after they've changed, and always enabling the save action allows this. Disabling the save action when the document content is unchanged even though the view has changed is IMO quite unfriendly in this regard. Also, it's IMO wrong to trigger a document modified status on view change. I beg to differ. A document is either changed and needs saving or is not and... doesn't. Conversely, if changing a property needs saving, then the document *is* changed. Also, the majority of applications that *I* personally touch always enable the save icon. Obviously there are some personal variations with experiences here. Anyway, the save action should trigger some feedback when it is done. The button disabled or toolbar message both convey that information. -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Document Saved indicator
2012/6/3 Jean-Francois Nifenecker jean-francois.nifenec...@laposte.net Le 31/05/2012 21:29, Kohei Yoshida a écrit : There is another reason for that. Document not only store its content but also view properties, but a change in the view properties doesn't trigger a document modified status. Here, view properties include things like (in case of spreadsheet) active sheet, cursor position, zoom level etc. But quite often you want to store the view properties after they've changed, and always enabling the save action allows this. Disabling the save action when the document content is unchanged even though the view has changed is IMO quite unfriendly in this regard. Also, it's IMO wrong to trigger a document modified status on view change. I beg to differ. A document is either changed and needs saving or is not and... doesn't. Conversely, if changing a property needs saving, then the document *is* changed. +1 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Document Saved indicator
On 06/03/2012 11:25 AM, Mirek M. wrote: 2012/6/3 Jean-Francois Nifeneckerjean-francois.nifenec...@laposte.net Le 31/05/2012 21:29, Kohei Yoshida a écrit : There is another reason for that. Document not only store its content but also view properties, but a change in the view properties doesn't trigger a document modified status. Here, view properties include things like (in case of spreadsheet) active sheet, cursor position, zoom level etc. But quite often you want to store the view properties after they've changed, and always enabling the save action allows this. Disabling the save action when the document content is unchanged even though the view has changed is IMO quite unfriendly in this regard. Also, it's IMO wrong to trigger a document modified status on view change. I beg to differ. A document is either changed and needs saving or is not and... doesn't. Conversely, if changing a property needs saving, then the document *is* changed. +1 It's not a matter of opinion, but of technicality. Any software that deals with complex documents is designed this way, and that's not going to change it. Not to mention changing this principle would basically means that you are writing a new app from scratch, since everything else is built on this principle in our code base. I for one am not interested in such effort. That's all I have to say. If people still don't see my point after this, then I suggest we agree to disagree, and avoid further wasting time on this topic. Peace, Kohei Kohei -- Kohei Yoshida, LibreOffice hacker, Calc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Document Saved indicator
Hi all, @Christoph: Well, that was the case some versions ago - then the current behavior (save icon is always active) has been introduced. Reason: There has been customer feedback targeted at the Sun OOo UX Team that people wish to press that button at any time - just to be sure that the document is really saved. So here its not about real logic, but about people to feel safe. If that was the case, then it would have been a better idea to focus on the following things: * get document backup/restoration reliable enough for everyone (something like backup-as-you-type maybe) * make sure, Ooo doesn't crash (and if it crashes, that it doesn't take all opened documents with it – for instance, similar to how Chrome separates tabs) (Yes, that's an arrogant statement coming from a non-developer. I know that.) Almost the same is true for the current status bar indicator - but of course it's just there because of the cool TDF symbolism ;-) That's a terrible reason to introduce new UI. The world most of us live in is cluttered with branding and ads, so to me it's not a good idea to add to this beyond what we actually need to establish a brand. Long-term, I would love if we could reduce the amount of logos to the ones contained in the about box and the one in the titlebar. (Splash screen should go completely at some point and the logo in the start centre seems unnecessary to me.) Maybe I'm an extremist here. So, finally, if there is a need to further cleanup the status bar, then I'd propose to go with (unsaved) instead of the asterisk for the title bar. Example for unsaved changes: Strategy Document (unsaved) - LibreOffice Writer I've seen other software go for (modified) which is a more positive word, I think. So, that would be my preferred solution. To shorten the text in the titlebar again, we could follow the Gnome 2 guidelines and remove the LibreOffice Writer/Calc/... part of the titlebar. @Jean-Francois: A document is either changed and needs saving or is not and... doesn't. Conversely, if changing a property needs saving, then the document *is* changed. Maybe it's not quite that simple. There are certain settings (zoom level, for one) that depend so much on the specific computer (screen, in this case) that it doesn't make a lot of sense to even save this information within the file. It would make far more sense to save that in the LibreOffice configuration itself. This way, you can just save those settings when the window is closed. For other settings like caret position within the document, that approach might not be applicable, however, given my example, if you put your caret at a different position within a document, then this is usually done to edit it, thus producing a new saveable state. Since I am not sure what else is saved within the document, I won't go on here... I hope you see the point. In any case, I don't have so much of an opinion about whether to actually enable the save icon at all times ... both options are fine with me. I would, however, like the statusbar indicator to be gone. Astron. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Document Saved indicator
On 06/03/2012 12:11 PM, Stefan Knorr (Astron) wrote: Hi all, @Christoph: Well, that was the case some versions ago - then the current behavior (save icon is always active) has been introduced. Reason: There has been customer feedback targeted at the Sun OOo UX Team that people wish to press that button at any time - just to be sure that the document is really saved. So here its not about real logic, but about people to feel safe. If that was the case, then it would have been a better idea to focus on the following things: * get document backup/restoration reliable enough for everyone (something like backup-as-you-type maybe) So, I agree with the idea itself. But for this to work comfortably the save operation must be fast enough (since backup just means saving the current document somewhere on disk), and that's the hard part. Actually calling this hard itself is a massive understatement, but I won't go into the details. Having said that, making the load/save operation faster is always our priority. It just takes a long time to achieve it (i.e. in units of years). * make sure, Ooo doesn't crash (and if it crashes, that it doesn't take all opened documents with it – for instance, similar to how Chrome separates tabs) So, the technical description of this is to put each application in a separate process, which Chrome does. This is one of the things I've been very much interested in personally, but comes with a steep technical hurdle as well. That said, someday I'd like us to give this a try, perhaps when all this effort to clean up the code base etc. settles down a bit. This would also solve many others issues that we currently have in our code base, not just the issue of crashes. So, to me, this is a goal worth chasing. Kohei -- Kohei Yoshida, LibreOffice hacker, Calc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Document Saved indicator
Hi Alex, all! Am Mittwoch, den 30.05.2012, 16:42 +0200 schrieb Alexander Wilms: actually, the save icon in the top toolbar should be enough, don't you think? It's greyed out if there's nothing to save and makes the indicator superfluous. Well, that was the case some versions ago - then the current behavior (save icon is always active) has been introduced. Reason: There has been customer feedback targeted at the Sun OOo UX Team that people wish to press that button at any time - just to be sure that the document is really saved. So here its not about real logic, but about people to feel safe. Concerning using of the asterisk in the title bar - also that issue has been discussed from time to time. From my (personal) point-of-view, this indicator does not reveal its meaning clearly. Almost the same is true for the current status bar indicator - but of course it's just there because of the cool TDF symbolism ;-) So, finally, if there is a need to further cleanup the status bar, then I'd propose to go with (unsaved) instead of the asterisk for the title bar. Example for unsaved changes: Strategy Document (unsaved) - LibreOffice Writer Of course there are plenty of alternatives - introducing stuff like a proxy icons (similar to Mac OS X), or extending the Save Icon by an own indicator. Or ... Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Document Saved indicator
Hi Christoph, 2012/5/31 Christoph Noack christ...@dogmatux.com Hi Alex, all! Am Mittwoch, den 30.05.2012, 16:42 +0200 schrieb Alexander Wilms: actually, the save icon in the top toolbar should be enough, don't you think? It's greyed out if there's nothing to save and makes the indicator superfluous. Well, that was the case some versions ago - then the current behavior (save icon is always active) has been introduced. Reason: There has been customer feedback targeted at the Sun OOo UX Team that people wish to press that button at any time - just to be sure that the document is really saved. So here its not about real logic, but about people to feel safe. This is only a setting, and it's disabled by default (at least on my machine). Out of interest, could you point me to the feedback you mentioned? Concerning using of the asterisk in the title bar - also that issue has been discussed from time to time. From my (personal) point-of-view, this indicator does not reveal its meaning clearly. Almost the same is true for the current status bar indicator - but of course it's just there because of the cool TDF symbolism ;-) So, finally, if there is a need to further cleanup the status bar, then I'd propose to go with (unsaved) instead of the asterisk for the title bar. Example for unsaved changes: Strategy Document (unsaved) - LibreOffice Writer Fine with me, as long as it only happens if the allow to save document even when the document is not modified setting is on. Of course there are plenty of alternatives - introducing stuff like a proxy icons (similar to Mac OS X), or extending the Save Icon by an own indicator. Or ... To be honest, I feel like this is too much complication to satisfy a very small fraction of the userbase, at a cost to the general userbase. Every other application I know disables Save when the file is saved, and there's not any consumer backlash there. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Document Saved indicator
Hi Mirek, all! Am Donnerstag, den 31.05.2012, 20:29 +0200 schrieb Mirek M.: 2012/5/31 Christoph Noack christ...@dogmatux.com Am Mittwoch, den 30.05.2012, 16:42 +0200 schrieb Alexander Wilms: actually, the save icon in the top toolbar should be enough, don't you think? It's greyed out if there's nothing to save and makes the indicator superfluous. Well, that was the case some versions ago - then the current behavior (save icon is always active) has been introduced. Reason: There has been customer feedback targeted at the Sun OOo UX Team that people wish to press that button at any time - just to be sure that the document is really saved. So here its not about real logic, but about people to feel safe. This is only a setting, and it's disabled by default (at least on my machine). Ah, didn't know that. Thanks! Do you know why this is a setting at all? Do we alter the behavior dependent on the platform? Out of interest, could you point me to the feedback you mentioned? Nope, sorry. It was directly targeted at the OOo UX team (maybe even part of their usability studies). I had some private conversations where they mentioned it (if I remember well enough). So, finally, if there is a need to further cleanup the status bar, then I'd propose to go with (unsaved) instead of the asterisk for the title bar. Example for unsaved changes: Strategy Document (unsaved) - LibreOffice Writer Fine with me, as long as it only happens if the allow to save document even when the document is not modified setting is on. Here I don't fully understand your rationale - I'd go for consistency similar to the document symbol in the status bar (always there). Of course there are plenty of alternatives - introducing stuff like a proxy icons (similar to Mac OS X), or extending the Save Icon by an own indicator. Or ... To be honest, I feel like this is too much complication to satisfy a very small fraction of the userbase, at a cost to the general userbase. Every other application I know disables Save when the file is saved, and there's not any consumer backlash there. Well, I have no strong opinion here - especially if anybody comes up with a decent solution ;-) The point is: adding an asterisk doesn't mean much, the string (unsaved) eats some space and also misses the locus of attention of the user, ... Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Document Saved indicator
Hi there, Let me chime in since I'm the one who put that setting there. On Thu, 2012-05-31 at 21:04 +0200, Christoph Noack wrote: Hi Mirek, all! Am Donnerstag, den 31.05.2012, 20:29 +0200 schrieb Mirek M.: 2012/5/31 Christoph Noack christ...@dogmatux.com Am Mittwoch, den 30.05.2012, 16:42 +0200 schrieb Alexander Wilms: actually, the save icon in the top toolbar should be enough, don't you think? It's greyed out if there's nothing to save and makes the indicator superfluous. Well, that was the case some versions ago - then the current behavior (save icon is always active) has been introduced. Reason: There has been customer feedback targeted at the Sun OOo UX Team that people wish to press that button at any time - just to be sure that the document is really saved. So here its not about real logic, but about people to feel safe. There is another reason for that. Document not only store its content but also view properties, but a change in the view properties doesn't trigger a document modified status. Here, view properties include things like (in case of spreadsheet) active sheet, cursor position, zoom level etc. But quite often you want to store the view properties after they've changed, and always enabling the save action allows this. Disabling the save action when the document content is unchanged even though the view has changed is IMO quite unfriendly in this regard. Also, it's IMO wrong to trigger a document modified status on view change. This is only a setting, and it's disabled by default (at least on my machine). Ah, didn't know that. Thanks! Do you know why this is a setting at all? Do we alter the behavior dependent on the platform? This is a setting because of the presence of those users who wish to use the save icon as an indication of document modified status. To me that's a mis-use of the icon but this practice is widespread in some circles. It's disabled by default only because we wanted to preserve the old OOo behavior. But I have been asked about enabling this by default several times in the past. Out of interest, could you point me to the feedback you mentioned? Nope, sorry. It was directly targeted at the OOo UX team (maybe even part of their usability studies). I had some private conversations where they mentioned it (if I remember well enough). I also had private conversations with folks who asked me about enabling the save at all times. In fact, I myself depend on this very functionality, in order to save the precise state of the view properties with a document. So, finally, if there is a need to further cleanup the status bar, then I'd propose to go with (unsaved) instead of the asterisk for the title bar. Example for unsaved changes: Strategy Document (unsaved) - LibreOffice Writer Fine with me, as long as it only happens if the allow to save document even when the document is not modified setting is on. Here I don't fully understand your rationale - I'd go for consistency similar to the document symbol in the status bar (always there). Of course there are plenty of alternatives - introducing stuff like a proxy icons (similar to Mac OS X), or extending the Save Icon by an own indicator. Or ... To be honest, I feel like this is too much complication to satisfy a very small fraction of the userbase, at a cost to the general userbase. Every other application I know disables Save when the file is saved, and there's not any consumer backlash there. IMO it's dangerous to assume that only a fraction of the user base needs this functionality. Again, I myself depend on this functionality, and I've got in touch with several other users who needed this as well. Given that I don't go out interacting with gazillions of users (I only interact with perhaps a dozen), this is quite significant. Also, the majority of applications that *I* personally touch always enable the save icon. Obviously there are some personal variations with experiences here. Kohei -- Kohei Yoshida, LibreOffice hacker, Calc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-design] Document Saved indicator
A grayed out Save Indicator is not superfluous! I find this EXTRAORDINARILY useful to know whether I have added new material to a document or whether I'm dealing with the previously saved version. The grayed out Indicator communicates this in a very simple manner. It's perfect. The grayed out Save Indicator is one of the best features of Writer! Subject: Re: [libreoffice-design] Document Saved indicator From: christ...@dogmatux.com To: design@global.libreoffice.org CC: ke...@suse.cz; android2...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 20:14:18 +0200 Hi Alex, all! Am Mittwoch, den 30.05.2012, 16:42 +0200 schrieb Alexander Wilms: actually, the save icon in the top toolbar should be enough, don't you think? It's greyed out if there's nothing to save and makes the indicator superfluous. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Document Saved indicator
On Thu, 2012-05-31 at 22:54 -0400, Jay Lozier wrote: The grayed out Save button in LO also indicates that the document in unchanged since the last change. This is a very handy at a glance feature to know the save status. *sigh* I guess the mis-use is very much prevalent. Since we are now going in circles, I'll resign myself from further discussion. Have a nice day. Kohei -- Kohei Yoshida, LibreOffice hacker, Calc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
