Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [en] NA-Comm-DVD Label
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Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [en] NA-Comm-DVD Label
On Sat, 2011-04-23 at 00:12 +0200, Bernhard Dippold wrote: Hi Drew, I proposed to try to write a short comment even if I don't have the time to write much... drew schrieb: On Thu, 2011-04-21 at 11:10 -0400, Marc Paré wrote: [...] The only other criticism I would have is the slogan. I would suggest moving the slogan moved beneath the LibreOffice title on the back page. snip Howdy Bernhard, Once again: Did you try a smaller logo on the back? Icon in logo now matches the height of the mime type icons. For a new iteration I have the idea to give the ODF logo more importance by enlarging it while the other two (PDF and SVG) as external file formats we can import and export to (in raising quality) might be smaller ? Done snip One point I'd like to mention nevertheless: Did the NA-DVD team think about using the logo with TDF subline I'll ask. snip You don't need to integrate the points I commented - it is really good! and getting better. hopefuly. Sincerely, Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [en] NA-Comm-DVD Label
On Fri, 2011-04-22 at 19:53 -0400, Marc Paré wrote: Not sure if I like the placement of the two logos on the front cover. Howdy Mark. Here I disagree - IMO the two new elements on the front make a large improvement. I think, strategically speaking, that all logos (pdf, odf, svg, cc by--SA, lgpl) would be better kept on the back. This is where the supporting information is situated. I also prefer the Windows is a registered ... Apple Inc. at the back below the 5 logos and the LibreOffice ... www.documentfoundation.org on the front, Done Thanks Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] Re: [en] NA-Comm-DVD Label
Hi Drew: Le 2011-04-23 04:39, drew a écrit : http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Lrge-cover-alt-3.png Looks like your post showed in my mailing list before I posted my previous note. Anyway, yes, these logos now look great! The slogan looks a little strange with the Suite!, alone, on that line. Could you have the So Suite! on the second line? I know that you are worried about the line looking shorter above the logo line, but I think it would look nicer than with the Suite! alone. Thanks also for moving the trademark notices. Looks great! The only last criticism is the CC by-SA and the LGPL logos. Would these fit better on the line of logos on the back? If not, the front is OK. It's just that for most normal users, these 2 logos will have very little meaning. If we could move these 2 logos to the back line of logos, I think this would look more meaningful and sensible. I would suggest again keeping the ODF as the first logo. If we were to list them strategically, the ODF list would be the formats first - ODF, PDF, SVG followed by the 2 licenses. Cheers Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [en] NA-Comm-DVD Label
On Sat, 2011-04-23 at 04:39 -0400, drew wrote: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Lrge-cover-alt-3.png NOTE - I cheated and shrunk the logo on the back cover as a bitmpap - if this new size looks good (I think you where right it does look better) and doesn't need resizing again then I'll go back and generate a new one from Inkscape for the final. Also - anyone know where I can get an official OOXML logo...*evil grin* //drew ps - just kidding... -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [en] NA-Comm-DVD Label
Le 2011-04-23 04:52, drew a écrit : On Fri, 2011-04-22 at 19:53 -0400, Marc Paré wrote: Not sure if I like the placement of the two logos on the front cover. Howdy Mark. Here I disagree - IMO the two new elements on the front make a large improvement. No problem then. I think, strategically speaking, that all logos (pdf, odf, svg, cc by--SA, lgpl) would be better kept on the back. This is where the supporting information is situated. I also prefer the Windows is a registered ... Apple Inc. at the back below the 5 logos and the LibreOffice ... www.documentfoundation.org on the front, Done Thanks Drew Looks great! Thanks for all the work and patience. I know it gets frustrating at times. Awesome work! Cheers Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [en] NA-Comm-DVD Label
Hi Drew, Drew Jensen wrote: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Lrge-cover-alt-3.png I won't comment anything more - even if I told you that it would not be necessary from my point of view, you implemented my thoughts in a breathtaking time... ;-) But I don't see any reasons to nit-pick again: Leave the cover as it is, it looks really good and professional! Thanks a lot! Best regards Bernhard PS: When you finished the label, we should ask the other LibreOffice-Box teams, if they would feel comfortable with a similar design - so we can define an official community DVD design... -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [en] NA-Comm-DVD Label
Le 2011-04-23 05:26, Bernhard Dippold a écrit : PS: When you finished the label, we should ask the other LibreOffice-Box teams, if they would feel comfortable with a similar design - so we can define an official community DVD design... +1 Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [en] NA-Comm-DVD Label
On Thu, 2011-04-21 at 11:10 -0400, Marc Paré wrote: Le 2011-04-21 10:34, drew a écrit : On Thu, 2011-04-21 at 10:30 -0400, Marc Paré wrote: Le 2011-04-20 21:20, drew a écrit : Hi, One more change to the label for the NA-Comm-DVD. Addressed some concerns on trademark, from the US mktg ml. Swapped SVG logo for one a bit more descriptive and moved a few things around, per Marc's comments. Removed overall green frame, except spine and updated the scatter element to give it much more prominence. Softened the sactter-esque watermark on back cover, and adjusted other elements. Updated the file on the wiki: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Existing_Designs#Case Thanks Drew Thanks for update Drew. I was just wondering, what is the purpose of the black dot under English. Should this be erased? huh - a beauty mark perhaps...*chuckle*...yeah, will excise that. Thanks again for the excellent work on the label. Looks great! It will make for a great template for other groups if they wish to adopt the same label. I really like the scatter on the label The only other criticism I would have is the slogan. I would suggest moving the slogan moved beneath the LibreOffice title on the back page. snip What do you think? Hi Marc, Did that, and the slogan just kept wanting to move south...so I accommodated it. After that, it just yelled at me to do something with the front...so I listened again. Finally, the ODF logo screamed so I borrowed from here and there, did a little aggregating and a little touch with the airbrush tool and well..see for yourself. http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Existing_Designs#Case The source file is at: http://lo-portal.us/temp/na-dvd-case-04-11-22c.xcf What do you think? - I think this is looking damned good now, thanks to all feedback. Also, that I need to move on to a jewel case layout. Best wishes, Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [en] NA-Comm-DVD Label
Hi Drew -- Sorry, I had originally only posted to the US-Marketing but re-sent it to all the lists you have posted Le 2011-04-22 11:25, drew a écrit : On Thu, 2011-04-21 at 11:10 -0400, Marc Paré wrote: Le 2011-04-21 10:34, drew a écrit : On Thu, 2011-04-21 at 10:30 -0400, Marc Paré wrote: Le 2011-04-20 21:20, drew a écrit : Hi, One more change to the label for the NA-Comm-DVD. Addressed some concerns on trademark, from the US mktg ml. Swapped SVG logo for one a bit more descriptive and moved a few things around, per Marc's comments. Removed overall green frame, except spine and updated the scatter element to give it much more prominence. Softened the sactter-esque watermark on back cover, and adjusted other elements. Updated the file on the wiki: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Existing_Designs#Case Thanks Drew Thanks for update Drew. I was just wondering, what is the purpose of the black dot under English. Should this be erased? huh - a beauty mark perhaps...*chuckle*...yeah, will excise that. Thanks again for the excellent work on the label. Looks great! It will make for a great template for other groups if they wish to adopt the same label. I really like the scatter on the label The only other criticism I would have is the slogan. I would suggest moving the slogan moved beneath the LibreOffice title on the back page. snip What do you think? Hi Marc, Did that, and the slogan just kept wanting to move south...so I accommodated it. After that, it just yelled at me to do something with the front...so I listened again. Finally, the ODF logo screamed so I borrowed from here and there, did a little aggregating and a little touch with the airbrush tool and well..see for yourself. http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Existing_Designs#Case The source file is at: http://lo-portal.us/temp/na-dvd-case-04-11-22c.xcf What do you think? - I think this is looking damned good now, thanks to all feedback. Also, that I need to move on to a jewel case layout. Best wishes, Drew Nice work. I like the placement of the slogan! After having read the functions of the modules, people get that extra slogan to motivate the use of the product! Not sure if I like the placement of the two logos on the front cover. I think, strategically speaking, that all logos (pdf, odf, svg, cc by--SA, lgpl) would be better kept on the back. This is where the supporting information is situated. I also prefer the Windows is a registered ... Apple Inc. at the back below the 5 logos and the LibreOffice ... www.documentfoundation.org on the front, as this gives us some additional advertisement for the TDF. The trademark assertions for Windows and Apple are there to satisfy the mention of the trademark names and I don't think we need to give it more prominence than it needs. We need to make people aware of the TDF rather than relegating it to second position on the back cover. Cheers Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] Re: [en] NA-Comm-DVD Label
Hi Bernhard and especially Drew We are really down to nit-picking but some of these points do seem valid. Le 2011-04-22 18:12, Bernhard Dippold a écrit : Hi Drew, Finally, the ODF logo screamed so I borrowed from here and there, did a little aggregating and a little touch with the airbrush tool and well..see for yourself. Without you mentioning it, I would have not realized. You created a new ODF logo? And where did you get the SVG logo? They look very good side by side (and in large scale you see the differences between the sheets behind them, so it is clear that they don't belong together). For a new iteration I have the idea to give the ODF logo more importance by enlarging it while the other two (PDF and SVG) as external file formats we can import and export to (in raising quality) might be smaller ? I agree with this. I would give first place setting in the list to the ODF logo. LibreOffice and ODF have a strong bond and we should be actively promoting the ODF even at marketing booths. After all, this is what makes the LibreOffice formats so dependable. The other logos should show up in secondary placement on the lists. I am not sure that the ODF would be happy to know that we have created a new logo just as I am pretty sure that we would not be happy to find that another organisation would have created another logo to fit their documentation. We should try as much as possible to fit in a proper ODF and SVG logo. I noticed on the SVG site that they make use of different logos. We could leave a note with the W3C-SVG people to see if they have a logo (with descriptor) available on their site (http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/) (Note that there is one at the top of that page.). Not really sure where to get ODF logo versions. Where did you get your ODF version? I couldn't find any ODF site with an ODF logo. http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Existing_Designs#Case The source file is at: http://lo-portal.us/temp/na-dvd-case-04-11-22c.xcf What do you think? - Much more feedback than I originally wanted... And lots of criticism (I hope you take it as thoughts - not as critics) instead of the praise you deserve. One point I'd like to mention nevertheless: Did the NA-DVD team think about using the logo with TDF subline now you are official part of the LibreOffice-Box team (or how it will be called in future)? Even as NA marketing team this would have been possible, but now I don't see any reason (perhaps except the approval of some of your team members by the Membership Committee) to refrain from the TDF logo as you are: An official part of the LibreOffice community - and your DVD seems to fall under the part of the logo policy that reads: TDF approved DVDs or USB keys with 'LibreOffice' [1] I also agree with this. Not too sure if I missed a conversation on this while I was away but ... are we not part of the LibreOffice-Box team? Was there a decision to go without the subline or are we just waiting for an approval? We also seem to be spearheading/setting an example for an English version of an international EN-box DVD version. I would love to see the logo with TDF subline on the NA Community DVD. It adds validity to the project. I think this is looking damned good now, thanks to all feedback. And here I fully agree. You don't need to integrate the points I commented - it is really good! It's just meant as suggestion to think about for the next iteration... Also, that I need to move on to a jewel case layout. This would be great - we definitively need such artwork. Best regards Bernhard PS: I updated the branding page [2] a bit because it didn't explain the difference between logo with and without TDF subline clearly enough and added a link to the logo policy. We probably have to add more examples for several use cases - perhaps already with the overdue iteration of the branding page. [1]: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Logo_Policy [2]: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding#Resources Thanks for doing this Bernhard. Cheers Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] Re: [en] NA-Comm-DVD Label
Le 2011-04-20 21:20, drew a écrit : Hi, One more change to the label for the NA-Comm-DVD. Addressed some concerns on trademark, from the US mktg ml. Swapped SVG logo for one a bit more descriptive and moved a few things around, per Marc's comments. Removed overall green frame, except spine and updated the scatter element to give it much more prominence. Softened the sactter-esque watermark on back cover, and adjusted other elements. Updated the file on the wiki: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Existing_Designs#Case Thanks Drew Thanks for update Drew. I was just wondering, what is the purpose of the black dot under English. Should this be erased? Cheers Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [en] NA-Comm-DVD Label
On Thu, 2011-04-21 at 10:30 -0400, Marc Paré wrote: Le 2011-04-20 21:20, drew a écrit : Hi, One more change to the label for the NA-Comm-DVD. Addressed some concerns on trademark, from the US mktg ml. Swapped SVG logo for one a bit more descriptive and moved a few things around, per Marc's comments. Removed overall green frame, except spine and updated the scatter element to give it much more prominence. Softened the sactter-esque watermark on back cover, and adjusted other elements. Updated the file on the wiki: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Existing_Designs#Case Thanks Drew Thanks for update Drew. I was just wondering, what is the purpose of the black dot under English. Should this be erased? huh - a beauty mark perhaps...*chuckle*...yeah, will excise that. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] Re: [en] NA-Comm-DVD Label
Le 2011-04-21 10:34, drew a écrit : On Thu, 2011-04-21 at 10:30 -0400, Marc Paré wrote: Le 2011-04-20 21:20, drew a écrit : Hi, One more change to the label for the NA-Comm-DVD. Addressed some concerns on trademark, from the US mktg ml. Swapped SVG logo for one a bit more descriptive and moved a few things around, per Marc's comments. Removed overall green frame, except spine and updated the scatter element to give it much more prominence. Softened the sactter-esque watermark on back cover, and adjusted other elements. Updated the file on the wiki: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Existing_Designs#Case Thanks Drew Thanks for update Drew. I was just wondering, what is the purpose of the black dot under English. Should this be erased? huh - a beauty mark perhaps...*chuckle*...yeah, will excise that. Thanks again for the excellent work on the label. Looks great! It will make for a great template for other groups if they wish to adopt the same label. I really like the scatter on the label The only other criticism I would have is the slogan. I would suggest moving the slogan moved beneath the LibreOffice title on the back page. I am not sure if the marketing team has chosen an official slogan as of yet, but this slogan seems to be the most quoted slogan from the list. It does seem to exemplify our collective understanding of our distro. It just seems to me that from a readability point of view that a user would read LibreOffice - Freedom Never Tasted So Suite more easily than Freedom Never Tasted So Suite - LibreOffice. It may also look a little more presentable with the larger title of LibreOffice first followed by the slogan underneath it. (icon) LibreOffice Freedom Never Tasted So Suite! What do you think? Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
