Re: Community governance
Hi Ismaël, > Avro at this point is a mature and real open source project and the agenda and > priorities is driven mostly by volunteers and it is up to us for the health of > the community to be more responsive with new contributions as you point out, > and > also we should produce more comprehensive and nicer material (don't even let > me > get started talking about the poor user experience of our website or the lack > of > documentation of the Avro APIs in less popular languages). Correct. I think we should design a resilience organization for Avro. organization = structures + processes IMHO, we can have: - structures: grant freedom & responsibilities for individual Avro Components to a quorum of reviewers/committers. - processes: I think we should have an OKR plan for Avro and cry for helps. Such plan is crucial to co-ordinate/concentrate the power of communities > Anyone interested can get an invite to the ASF slack here > http://s.apache.org/slack-invite Gonna try :D Thank you. On 2020/05/05 21:11:54, Ismaël Mejía wrote: > Thanks Andy for pointing this out. It is important that we are more responsive > to contributors. I have my good dose of mea culpa on this recently but please > do > not forget that even if Avro is a crucial piece of the Big Data ecosystem, at > this point there is not a single person up to my knowledge who is paid to > maintain Avro full time and few companies encourage employees to work on it, > and also many people have less time available because of covid. > > Avro at this point is a mature and real open source project and the agenda and > priorities is driven mostly by volunteers and it is up to us for the health of > the community to be more responsive with new contributions as you point out, > and > also we should produce more comprehensive and nicer material (don't even let > me > get started talking about the poor user experience of our website or the lack > of > documentation of the Avro APIs in less popular languages). > > In any case contributions are welcome! > > I have seen in other projects dashboards of time to merge and other stats, > those > could prove practical but I am not sure if we would even have someone with the > extra time/will to work on those and in my opinion I would prefer that we > tackle > more important end user issues like improving Avro's website among others. > > Maybe 'chat-like' conversation is a way to make the contribution process > quicker. I would suggest maybe that we use The Apache Software Foundation > Slack > Avro slack channel for this purpose. But let's not forget that the source of > truth in every Apache project is always the mailing list so important subjects > should be treated here and consensus should be reached also via the ML. > > Anyone interested can get an invite to the ASF slack here > http://s.apache.org/slack-invite > > And then join the #avro channel there, we are not many but we are willing to > help and discuss all things Avro. I have not thought about promoting this in > our website but if others agree I can add a mention to it. > > On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 10:09 PM Sean Busbey wrote: > > > > If we'd like an alternative to the dev@avro mailing list, there is a > > growing amount of infra support for using slack. in particular there is a > > bot for making sure you can send stuff to a mailing list for those who want > > a record. > > > > Andy, what kind of response would you see as proper? Is your concern time > > to merge, time to being in a release? Guidance on what it takes for a PR to > > get accepted? Something else? > > > > On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 8:03 AM Zoltan Farkas > > wrote: > > > > > Should we start using a chat product (like Gitter or similar?) > > > For example, this discussion was classified as Junk by the email tooling I > > > use… > > > > > > cheers > > > > > > —Z > > > > > > > On May 5, 2020, at 5:03 AM, Driesprong, Fokko > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > For the releases, the information is on Github: > > > > https://github.com/apache/avro/releases. For the fine details, Jira is > > > the > > > > way to go. You can select which tickets are merged in which version. > > > > This > > > > is also how we generate the changelog, we condense it and put it on > > > Github. > > > > Maybe we should add a link from the docs website to Github. > > > > > > > > There is some traction around .Net, Ruby, Python, and especially Java. > > > > However, implementation such as Perl, C(++) is not happening a lot. > > > > Also, > > > > the original contributors aren't that active anymore. I like the idea of > > > > splitting the different languages to different repositories. For > > > > Parquet, > > > > the each repository contains also one language. This is also what Ryan > > > > suggested in the other thread. For more fundamental changes, there is > > > this > > > > concept of Avro Enhancement Proposals: > > > > > > >
Re: Community governance
Hi Sean, > Andy, what kind of response would you see as proper? Is your concern time > to merge, time to being in a release? Guidance on what it takes for a PR to > get accepted? Something else? Yep, I concern about: - Timely responses (replies on Jira issues, reviews on Github). I opened several issues but people hardly replied anything [1] - Guidance for a PR is a must. If we can properly discuss things on Jira and decide there's no need to change for that nice-to-have, people don't have to waste their time on coding and making PRs. [1] My opened issues: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/KAFKA-6541?jql=reporter%20%3D%20anhldbk Thank you. On 2020/05/05 20:11:25, Sean Busbey wrote: > If we'd like an alternative to the dev@avro mailing list, there is a > growing amount of infra support for using slack. in particular there is a > bot for making sure you can send stuff to a mailing list for those who want > a record. > > Andy, what kind of response would you see as proper? Is your concern time > to merge, time to being in a release? Guidance on what it takes for a PR to > get accepted? Something else? > > On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 8:03 AM Zoltan Farkas > wrote: > > > Should we start using a chat product (like Gitter or similar?) > > For example, this discussion was classified as Junk by the email tooling I > > use… > > > > cheers > > > > —Z > > > > > On May 5, 2020, at 5:03 AM, Driesprong, Fokko > > wrote: > > > > > > For the releases, the information is on Github: > > > https://github.com/apache/avro/releases. For the fine details, Jira is > > the > > > way to go. You can select which tickets are merged in which version. This > > > is also how we generate the changelog, we condense it and put it on > > Github. > > > Maybe we should add a link from the docs website to Github. > > > > > > There is some traction around .Net, Ruby, Python, and especially Java. > > > However, implementation such as Perl, C(++) is not happening a lot. Also, > > > the original contributors aren't that active anymore. I like the idea of > > > splitting the different languages to different repositories. For Parquet, > > > the each repository contains also one language. This is also what Ryan > > > suggested in the other thread. For more fundamental changes, there is > > this > > > concept of Avro Enhancement Proposals: > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/AVRO/Avro+Enhancement+Proposals > > > This > > > is a confluence section where you can create a proposal, to get consensus > > > in the community, and then implement it. > > > > > > Hope this helps! > > > > > > Cheers, Fokko > > > > > > > > > > > > Op di 5 mei 2020 om 10:56 schreef Andy Le : > > > > > >> I've checked Avro release notes [1] and found them containing vague > > >> information about each release. There's also a lack of documentation for > > >> other programming languages. > > >> > > >> My question: should we carefully lay out what to do, opening dedicated > > >> issues to call for contributions? > > >> > > >> Thanks & best regards. > > >> > > >> [1] > > >> > > https://avro.apache.org/releases.html#12+February+2020%3A+Avro+1.9.2+Released > > >> > > >> On 2020/05/03 07:07:46, Andy Le wrote: > > >>> Hi guys, > > >>> > > >>> I'm starting this thread to discuss about my issue about our community: > > >>> > > Recently I've seen so many Jira issues and Github PRs having no proper > > >> responses from committers. > > >>> > > >>> I think responsive answers from members will create a better Avro > > >> community. > > >>> > > >>> How can we resolve the issue? Glad that I can help any thing. > > >>> > > >>> Thanks. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > > > >
Re: Community governance
Hi Fokko, > Maybe we should add a link from the docs website to Github... +1 for this. So there's an incompatibility with our homepage and Github about release information. May we customize the release page to only contain latest version and a link to Github page? I think it will be less confused for people to follow. > For more fundamental changes, there is this concept of Avro Enhancement > Proposals... Gonna have a look at it. Thank you. On 2020/05/05 09:03:57, "Driesprong, Fokko" wrote: > For the releases, the information is on Github: > https://github.com/apache/avro/releases. For the fine details, Jira is the > way to go. You can select which tickets are merged in which version. This > is also how we generate the changelog, we condense it and put it on Github. > Maybe we should add a link from the docs website to Github. > > There is some traction around .Net, Ruby, Python, and especially Java. > However, implementation such as Perl, C(++) is not happening a lot. Also, > the original contributors aren't that active anymore. I like the idea of > splitting the different languages to different repositories. For Parquet, > the each repository contains also one language. This is also what Ryan > suggested in the other thread. For more fundamental changes, there is this > concept of Avro Enhancement Proposals: > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/AVRO/Avro+Enhancement+Proposals > This > is a confluence section where you can create a proposal, to get consensus > in the community, and then implement it. > > Hope this helps! > > Cheers, Fokko > > > > Op di 5 mei 2020 om 10:56 schreef Andy Le : > > > I've checked Avro release notes [1] and found them containing vague > > information about each release. There's also a lack of documentation for > > other programming languages. > > > > My question: should we carefully lay out what to do, opening dedicated > > issues to call for contributions? > > > > Thanks & best regards. > > > > [1] > > https://avro.apache.org/releases.html#12+February+2020%3A+Avro+1.9.2+Released > > > > On 2020/05/03 07:07:46, Andy Le wrote: > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > I'm starting this thread to discuss about my issue about our community: > > > > > > > Recently I've seen so many Jira issues and Github PRs having no proper > > responses from committers. > > > > > > I think responsive answers from members will create a better Avro > > community. > > > > > > How can we resolve the issue? Glad that I can help any thing. > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Re: Community governance
Thanks Andy for pointing this out. It is important that we are more responsive to contributors. I have my good dose of mea culpa on this recently but please do not forget that even if Avro is a crucial piece of the Big Data ecosystem, at this point there is not a single person up to my knowledge who is paid to maintain Avro full time and few companies encourage employees to work on it, and also many people have less time available because of covid. Avro at this point is a mature and real open source project and the agenda and priorities is driven mostly by volunteers and it is up to us for the health of the community to be more responsive with new contributions as you point out, and also we should produce more comprehensive and nicer material (don't even let me get started talking about the poor user experience of our website or the lack of documentation of the Avro APIs in less popular languages). In any case contributions are welcome! I have seen in other projects dashboards of time to merge and other stats, those could prove practical but I am not sure if we would even have someone with the extra time/will to work on those and in my opinion I would prefer that we tackle more important end user issues like improving Avro's website among others. Maybe 'chat-like' conversation is a way to make the contribution process quicker. I would suggest maybe that we use The Apache Software Foundation Slack Avro slack channel for this purpose. But let's not forget that the source of truth in every Apache project is always the mailing list so important subjects should be treated here and consensus should be reached also via the ML. Anyone interested can get an invite to the ASF slack here http://s.apache.org/slack-invite And then join the #avro channel there, we are not many but we are willing to help and discuss all things Avro. I have not thought about promoting this in our website but if others agree I can add a mention to it. On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 10:09 PM Sean Busbey wrote: > > If we'd like an alternative to the dev@avro mailing list, there is a > growing amount of infra support for using slack. in particular there is a > bot for making sure you can send stuff to a mailing list for those who want > a record. > > Andy, what kind of response would you see as proper? Is your concern time > to merge, time to being in a release? Guidance on what it takes for a PR to > get accepted? Something else? > > On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 8:03 AM Zoltan Farkas > wrote: > > > Should we start using a chat product (like Gitter or similar?) > > For example, this discussion was classified as Junk by the email tooling I > > use… > > > > cheers > > > > —Z > > > > > On May 5, 2020, at 5:03 AM, Driesprong, Fokko > > wrote: > > > > > > For the releases, the information is on Github: > > > https://github.com/apache/avro/releases. For the fine details, Jira is > > the > > > way to go. You can select which tickets are merged in which version. This > > > is also how we generate the changelog, we condense it and put it on > > Github. > > > Maybe we should add a link from the docs website to Github. > > > > > > There is some traction around .Net, Ruby, Python, and especially Java. > > > However, implementation such as Perl, C(++) is not happening a lot. Also, > > > the original contributors aren't that active anymore. I like the idea of > > > splitting the different languages to different repositories. For Parquet, > > > the each repository contains also one language. This is also what Ryan > > > suggested in the other thread. For more fundamental changes, there is > > this > > > concept of Avro Enhancement Proposals: > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/AVRO/Avro+Enhancement+Proposals > > > This > > > is a confluence section where you can create a proposal, to get consensus > > > in the community, and then implement it. > > > > > > Hope this helps! > > > > > > Cheers, Fokko > > > > > > > > > > > > Op di 5 mei 2020 om 10:56 schreef Andy Le : > > > > > >> I've checked Avro release notes [1] and found them containing vague > > >> information about each release. There's also a lack of documentation for > > >> other programming languages. > > >> > > >> My question: should we carefully lay out what to do, opening dedicated > > >> issues to call for contributions? > > >> > > >> Thanks & best regards. > > >> > > >> [1] > > >> > > https://avro.apache.org/releases.html#12+February+2020%3A+Avro+1.9.2+Released > > >> > > >> On 2020/05/03 07:07:46, Andy Le wrote: > > >>> Hi guys, > > >>> > > >>> I'm starting this thread to discuss about my issue about our community: > > >>> > > Recently I've seen so many Jira issues and Github PRs having no proper > > >> responses from committers. > > >>> > > >>> I think responsive answers from members will create a better Avro > > >> community. > > >>> > > >>> How can we resolve the issue? Glad that I can help any thing. > > >>> > > >>> Thanks. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >
Re: Community governance
If we'd like an alternative to the dev@avro mailing list, there is a growing amount of infra support for using slack. in particular there is a bot for making sure you can send stuff to a mailing list for those who want a record. Andy, what kind of response would you see as proper? Is your concern time to merge, time to being in a release? Guidance on what it takes for a PR to get accepted? Something else? On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 8:03 AM Zoltan Farkas wrote: > Should we start using a chat product (like Gitter or similar?) > For example, this discussion was classified as Junk by the email tooling I > use… > > cheers > > —Z > > > On May 5, 2020, at 5:03 AM, Driesprong, Fokko > wrote: > > > > For the releases, the information is on Github: > > https://github.com/apache/avro/releases. For the fine details, Jira is > the > > way to go. You can select which tickets are merged in which version. This > > is also how we generate the changelog, we condense it and put it on > Github. > > Maybe we should add a link from the docs website to Github. > > > > There is some traction around .Net, Ruby, Python, and especially Java. > > However, implementation such as Perl, C(++) is not happening a lot. Also, > > the original contributors aren't that active anymore. I like the idea of > > splitting the different languages to different repositories. For Parquet, > > the each repository contains also one language. This is also what Ryan > > suggested in the other thread. For more fundamental changes, there is > this > > concept of Avro Enhancement Proposals: > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/AVRO/Avro+Enhancement+Proposals > > This > > is a confluence section where you can create a proposal, to get consensus > > in the community, and then implement it. > > > > Hope this helps! > > > > Cheers, Fokko > > > > > > > > Op di 5 mei 2020 om 10:56 schreef Andy Le : > > > >> I've checked Avro release notes [1] and found them containing vague > >> information about each release. There's also a lack of documentation for > >> other programming languages. > >> > >> My question: should we carefully lay out what to do, opening dedicated > >> issues to call for contributions? > >> > >> Thanks & best regards. > >> > >> [1] > >> > https://avro.apache.org/releases.html#12+February+2020%3A+Avro+1.9.2+Released > >> > >> On 2020/05/03 07:07:46, Andy Le wrote: > >>> Hi guys, > >>> > >>> I'm starting this thread to discuss about my issue about our community: > >>> > Recently I've seen so many Jira issues and Github PRs having no proper > >> responses from committers. > >>> > >>> I think responsive answers from members will create a better Avro > >> community. > >>> > >>> How can we resolve the issue? Glad that I can help any thing. > >>> > >>> Thanks. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >
Re: Community governance
Should we start using a chat product (like Gitter or similar?) For example, this discussion was classified as Junk by the email tooling I use… cheers —Z > On May 5, 2020, at 5:03 AM, Driesprong, Fokko wrote: > > For the releases, the information is on Github: > https://github.com/apache/avro/releases. For the fine details, Jira is the > way to go. You can select which tickets are merged in which version. This > is also how we generate the changelog, we condense it and put it on Github. > Maybe we should add a link from the docs website to Github. > > There is some traction around .Net, Ruby, Python, and especially Java. > However, implementation such as Perl, C(++) is not happening a lot. Also, > the original contributors aren't that active anymore. I like the idea of > splitting the different languages to different repositories. For Parquet, > the each repository contains also one language. This is also what Ryan > suggested in the other thread. For more fundamental changes, there is this > concept of Avro Enhancement Proposals: > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/AVRO/Avro+Enhancement+Proposals > This > is a confluence section where you can create a proposal, to get consensus > in the community, and then implement it. > > Hope this helps! > > Cheers, Fokko > > > > Op di 5 mei 2020 om 10:56 schreef Andy Le : > >> I've checked Avro release notes [1] and found them containing vague >> information about each release. There's also a lack of documentation for >> other programming languages. >> >> My question: should we carefully lay out what to do, opening dedicated >> issues to call for contributions? >> >> Thanks & best regards. >> >> [1] >> https://avro.apache.org/releases.html#12+February+2020%3A+Avro+1.9.2+Released >> >> On 2020/05/03 07:07:46, Andy Le wrote: >>> Hi guys, >>> >>> I'm starting this thread to discuss about my issue about our community: >>> Recently I've seen so many Jira issues and Github PRs having no proper >> responses from committers. >>> >>> I think responsive answers from members will create a better Avro >> community. >>> >>> How can we resolve the issue? Glad that I can help any thing. >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>
Re: Community governance
For the releases, the information is on Github: https://github.com/apache/avro/releases. For the fine details, Jira is the way to go. You can select which tickets are merged in which version. This is also how we generate the changelog, we condense it and put it on Github. Maybe we should add a link from the docs website to Github. There is some traction around .Net, Ruby, Python, and especially Java. However, implementation such as Perl, C(++) is not happening a lot. Also, the original contributors aren't that active anymore. I like the idea of splitting the different languages to different repositories. For Parquet, the each repository contains also one language. This is also what Ryan suggested in the other thread. For more fundamental changes, there is this concept of Avro Enhancement Proposals: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/AVRO/Avro+Enhancement+Proposals This is a confluence section where you can create a proposal, to get consensus in the community, and then implement it. Hope this helps! Cheers, Fokko Op di 5 mei 2020 om 10:56 schreef Andy Le : > I've checked Avro release notes [1] and found them containing vague > information about each release. There's also a lack of documentation for > other programming languages. > > My question: should we carefully lay out what to do, opening dedicated > issues to call for contributions? > > Thanks & best regards. > > [1] > https://avro.apache.org/releases.html#12+February+2020%3A+Avro+1.9.2+Released > > On 2020/05/03 07:07:46, Andy Le wrote: > > Hi guys, > > > > I'm starting this thread to discuss about my issue about our community: > > > > > Recently I've seen so many Jira issues and Github PRs having no proper > responses from committers. > > > > I think responsive answers from members will create a better Avro > community. > > > > How can we resolve the issue? Glad that I can help any thing. > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > >
Re: Community governance
I've checked Avro release notes [1] and found them containing vague information about each release. There's also a lack of documentation for other programming languages. My question: should we carefully lay out what to do, opening dedicated issues to call for contributions? Thanks & best regards. [1] https://avro.apache.org/releases.html#12+February+2020%3A+Avro+1.9.2+Released On 2020/05/03 07:07:46, Andy Le wrote: > Hi guys, > > I'm starting this thread to discuss about my issue about our community: > > > Recently I've seen so many Jira issues and Github PRs having no proper > > responses from committers. > > I think responsive answers from members will create a better Avro community. > > How can we resolve the issue? Glad that I can help any thing. > > Thanks. > > > > >
Community governance
Hi guys, I'm starting this thread to discuss about my issue about our community: > Recently I've seen so many Jira issues and Github PRs having no proper > responses from committers. I think responsive answers from members will create a better Avro community. How can we resolve the issue? Glad that I can help any thing. Thanks.
