Re: [DISCUSS] Adopting Github Discusssions Users Forum
Hey Rohit, The argument applies, indeed, but it's too late for those... Isn't it? On 5 December 2023 14:23:53 GMT, Rohit Yadav wrote: >Lucian, all, > >Your argument pretty would also apply to also our current use of Github issues >and pull requests (and milestones, CI/github actions etc), which have become >are daily drivers. > >I had another round of checks - from an ASF/mailing lists point of view, in >case Github goes the wrong path, all such discussions will still be available >on users@ ML (archive) and possibly a migration path would be determined by >the ASF infra (such as to Gitlab etc). > > >Regards. > > >From: Nux >Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2023 15:40 >To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org >Cc: Rohit Yadav >Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Adopting Github Discusssions Users Forum > >Personally I'm against that, as it will dilute the community and once >the mailing lists will get inactive they'll stay that way. > >Also github/discussions is a proprietary platform at Microsoft's whim, I >think this goes against the spirit of the project as free software. > >That said, I'll be "voting" -0, don't want to get in the way of >"progress". > >On 2023-11-28 09:28, Rohit Yadav wrote: >> All, >> >> It's been a while since I had last proposed adopting and trying the >> Github Discussions feature for our users community. Since then, the ASF >> infra seems to have enabled integration and allowing Discussions >> integrated with mailing lists: >> https://github.com/search?q=.asf.yaml+discussions=code >> >> Following discussions with both technical and non-technical users from >> the CCC, I believe we should try this out and use it for users to >> discuss their ideas, questions, and problems, all that traditionally >> has happened on the users@ ML; while been integrating such discussions >> on the users@ ML. The Discussions platform could be used by developers >> too to get feedback from users. >> >> That said, we MUST continue to use our mailing lists for any project >> governance related matters such as releases related discussions, >> releases voting, and any form of consensus and decision making. >> >> I've proposed a PR for this here where the discussions feature is tied >> to users@ ML: >> https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/pull/8274/files >> >> Thoughts and feedback? >> >> >> Regards. > > >
Re: [DISCUSS] Adopting Github Discusssions Users Forum
Lucian, all, Your argument pretty would also apply to also our current use of Github issues and pull requests (and milestones, CI/github actions etc), which have become are daily drivers. I had another round of checks - from an ASF/mailing lists point of view, in case Github goes the wrong path, all such discussions will still be available on users@ ML (archive) and possibly a migration path would be determined by the ASF infra (such as to Gitlab etc). Regards. From: Nux Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2023 15:40 To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Cc: Rohit Yadav Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Adopting Github Discusssions Users Forum Personally I'm against that, as it will dilute the community and once the mailing lists will get inactive they'll stay that way. Also github/discussions is a proprietary platform at Microsoft's whim, I think this goes against the spirit of the project as free software. That said, I'll be "voting" -0, don't want to get in the way of "progress". On 2023-11-28 09:28, Rohit Yadav wrote: > All, > > It's been a while since I had last proposed adopting and trying the > Github Discussions feature for our users community. Since then, the ASF > infra seems to have enabled integration and allowing Discussions > integrated with mailing lists: > https://github.com/search?q=.asf.yaml+discussions=code > > Following discussions with both technical and non-technical users from > the CCC, I believe we should try this out and use it for users to > discuss their ideas, questions, and problems, all that traditionally > has happened on the users@ ML; while been integrating such discussions > on the users@ ML. The Discussions platform could be used by developers > too to get feedback from users. > > That said, we MUST continue to use our mailing lists for any project > governance related matters such as releases related discussions, > releases voting, and any form of consensus and decision making. > > I've proposed a PR for this here where the discussions feature is tied > to users@ ML: > https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/pull/8274/files > > Thoughts and feedback? > > > Regards.
Re: [DISCUSS] Adopting Github Discusssions Users Forum
Personally I'm against that, as it will dilute the community and once the mailing lists will get inactive they'll stay that way. Also github/discussions is a proprietary platform at Microsoft's whim, I think this goes against the spirit of the project as free software. That said, I'll be "voting" -0, don't want to get in the way of "progress". On 2023-11-28 09:28, Rohit Yadav wrote: All, It's been a while since I had last proposed adopting and trying the Github Discussions feature for our users community. Since then, the ASF infra seems to have enabled integration and allowing Discussions integrated with mailing lists: https://github.com/search?q=.asf.yaml+discussions=code Following discussions with both technical and non-technical users from the CCC, I believe we should try this out and use it for users to discuss their ideas, questions, and problems, all that traditionally has happened on the users@ ML; while been integrating such discussions on the users@ ML. The Discussions platform could be used by developers too to get feedback from users. That said, we MUST continue to use our mailing lists for any project governance related matters such as releases related discussions, releases voting, and any form of consensus and decision making. I've proposed a PR for this here where the discussions feature is tied to users@ ML: https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/pull/8274/files Thoughts and feedback? Regards.
Re: [DISCUSS] Adopting Github Discusssions Users Forum
Looks pretty good, well organized, and visible, rather email lists! I hope we start seeing more and more there. There might be some users not having a github account, which might not benefit and abstain one day if we decide to fully migrate, but let’s think about that then! Great work and nice idea! Bobby. From: Rohit Yadav Date: Tuesday, 28 November 2023 at 11:28 To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: [DISCUSS] Adopting Github Discusssions Users Forum All, It's been a while since I had last proposed adopting and trying the Github Discussions feature for our users community. Since then, the ASF infra seems to have enabled integration and allowing Discussions integrated with mailing lists: https://github.com/search?q=.asf.yaml+discussions=code Following discussions with both technical and non-technical users from the CCC, I believe we should try this out and use it for users to discuss their ideas, questions, and problems, all that traditionally has happened on the users@ ML; while been integrating such discussions on the users@ ML. The Discussions platform could be used by developers too to get feedback from users. That said, we MUST continue to use our mailing lists for any project governance related matters such as releases related discussions, releases voting, and any form of consensus and decision making. I've proposed a PR for this here where the discussions feature is tied to users@ ML: https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/pull/8274/files Thoughts and feedback? Regards.
Re: [DISCUSS] Adopting Github Discusssions Users Forum
great On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 10:30 AM Rohit Yadav wrote: > > All, > > It's been a while since I had last proposed adopting and trying the Github > Discussions feature for our users community. Since then, the ASF infra seems > to have enabled integration and allowing Discussions integrated with mailing > lists: https://github.com/search?q=.asf.yaml+discussions=code > > Following discussions with both technical and non-technical users from the > CCC, I believe we should try this out and use it for users to discuss their > ideas, questions, and problems, all that traditionally has happened on the > users@ ML; while been integrating such discussions on the users@ ML. The > Discussions platform could be used by developers too to get feedback from > users. > > That said, we MUST continue to use our mailing lists for any project > governance related matters such as releases related discussions, releases > voting, and any form of consensus and decision making. > > I've proposed a PR for this here where the discussions feature is tied to > users@ ML: > https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/pull/8274/files > > Thoughts and feedback? > > > Regards. > > > -- Daan
[DISCUSS] Adopting Github Discusssions Users Forum
All, It's been a while since I had last proposed adopting and trying the Github Discussions feature for our users community. Since then, the ASF infra seems to have enabled integration and allowing Discussions integrated with mailing lists: https://github.com/search?q=.asf.yaml+discussions=code Following discussions with both technical and non-technical users from the CCC, I believe we should try this out and use it for users to discuss their ideas, questions, and problems, all that traditionally has happened on the users@ ML; while been integrating such discussions on the users@ ML. The Discussions platform could be used by developers too to get feedback from users. That said, we MUST continue to use our mailing lists for any project governance related matters such as releases related discussions, releases voting, and any form of consensus and decision making. I've proposed a PR for this here where the discussions feature is tied to users@ ML: https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/pull/8274/files Thoughts and feedback? Regards.
