Re: Developer Guide - Current Setup Guide?

[Alex Hitchins]

Thanks Will, looks good.

My searching brought up many older guides, one was Ian Duffys blog. These look 
a better base to start from.

AH

> On 11 Jul 2017, at 22:06, Will Stevens <wstev...@cloudops.com> wrote:
> 
> So this is the guide I always used to follow.  I think it is very outdated
> as well:
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/How+to+build+CloudStack
> 
> I feel like both of these guides are pretty limited because it does not
> cover an integration with any hypervisor, so you may be able to build ACS,
> but you won't be able to do any real dev since you won't be able to spin
> new VMs or anything like that.
> 
> The latest thing I have done for putting together a setup similar to this,
> is documented here: https://github.com/swill/apachecon2016
> 
> Here are the slides:
> https://github.com/swill/apachecon2016/blob/master/slides.pdf
> 
> This is not ideal either, but if you are troubleshooting the installation
> process, it may help shed some light on the topic.
> 
> Also, a good resource for the setup is here as well:
> https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/blob/master/.travis.yml
> 
> Not sure any of this helps...
> 
> 
> 
> *Will Stevens*
> CTO
> 
> <https://goo.gl/NYZ8KK>
> 
> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 4:43 PM, Alex Hitchins <a...@alexhitchins.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Great - the setup guide I'm following is : https://cwiki.apache.org/
>> confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Setting+up+CloudStack+
>> Development+Environment+on+Linux
>> 
>> I have got a pull request open for the git repo readme, however it's
>> breaking the build (somehow!). That is this one :
>> https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/pull/2170
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Alexander Hitchins
>> 
>> E: a...@alexhitchins.com
>> W: alexhitchins.com
>> M: 07788 423 969
>> T: 01892 523 587
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Will Stevens [mailto:williamstev...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: 10 July 2017 21:30
>> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
>> Subject: RE: Developer Guide - Current Setup Guide?
>> 
>> Perfect. I will review that set of docs after I finish the one I am
>> working on and we will go from there.
>> 
>> Can you link the doc you are referencing?
>> 
>>> On Jul 10, 2017 4:21 PM, "Alex Hitchins" <a...@alexhitchins.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks Will, very kind of you.
>>> 
>>> I will try and get as far along as I can and keep notes of things I
>>> notice along the way.
>>> 
>>> Alexander Hitchins
>>> 
>>> E: a...@alexhitchins.com
>>> W: alexhitchins.com
>>> M: 07788 423 969
>>> T: 01892 523 587
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: williamstev...@gmail.com [mailto:williamstev...@gmail.com] On
>>> Behalf Of Will Stevens
>>> Sent: 10 July 2017 20:49
>>> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: Developer Guide - Current Setup Guide?
>>> 
>>> Alex, I have been slowly started getting through some of the
>>> documentation that is out of date and will be adding some PRs with
>>> changes.  I have not looked at that specific guide yet, so I will have
>>> to review that one to be any help.  I will see what I can do to help
>>> this week.  You can ping me directly if you have specific questions
>>> and I will try to help.  Or ask on https://apachecloudstack.slack.com/
>>> and get more real time support from more of us.
>>> 
>>> *Will Stevens*
>>> CTO
>>> 
>>> <https://goo.gl/NYZ8KK>
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Alex Hitchins <a...@alexhitchins.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> This sounds like it isn't needed currently, correct?
>>>> 
>>>> I will see if I can locate my confluence credentials, sure I had
>>>> these circa 2013!
>>>> 
>>>> Do I assume the broader answer to my question is that this is the
>>>> most up to date resource? I see another person ask noob question so
>>>> wondered if I had missed something.
>>>> 
>>>> If anyone with cloudstack chops has a spare 10 minutes to look over
>>>> the current guide with me I'd be more than happy to work the changes
>>>> back in to the wiki. I'll even hand over all rights to Apache.
>>>> 
>>>>> On 10 Jul 2017, at 18:29, Ron Wheeler
>>>>> <rwhee...@artifact-software.com>
>>>> wro

Re: Developer Guide - Current Setup Guide?

[Will Stevens]

So this is the guide I always used to follow.  I think it is very outdated
as well:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/How+to+build+CloudStack

I feel like both of these guides are pretty limited because it does not
cover an integration with any hypervisor, so you may be able to build ACS,
but you won't be able to do any real dev since you won't be able to spin
new VMs or anything like that.

The latest thing I have done for putting together a setup similar to this,
is documented here: https://github.com/swill/apachecon2016

Here are the slides:
https://github.com/swill/apachecon2016/blob/master/slides.pdf

This is not ideal either, but if you are troubleshooting the installation
process, it may help shed some light on the topic.

Also, a good resource for the setup is here as well:
https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/blob/master/.travis.yml

Not sure any of this helps...



*Will Stevens*
CTO

<https://goo.gl/NYZ8KK>

On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 4:43 PM, Alex Hitchins <a...@alexhitchins.com>
wrote:

> Great - the setup guide I'm following is : https://cwiki.apache.org/
> confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Setting+up+CloudStack+
> Development+Environment+on+Linux
>
> I have got a pull request open for the git repo readme, however it's
> breaking the build (somehow!). That is this one :
> https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/pull/2170
>
>
>
>
> Alexander Hitchins
> 
> E: a...@alexhitchins.com
> W: alexhitchins.com
> M: 07788 423 969
> T: 01892 523 587
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Will Stevens [mailto:williamstev...@gmail.com]
> Sent: 10 July 2017 21:30
> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> Subject: RE: Developer Guide - Current Setup Guide?
>
> Perfect. I will review that set of docs after I finish the one I am
> working on and we will go from there.
>
> Can you link the doc you are referencing?
>
> On Jul 10, 2017 4:21 PM, "Alex Hitchins" <a...@alexhitchins.com> wrote:
>
> > Thanks Will, very kind of you.
> >
> > I will try and get as far along as I can and keep notes of things I
> > notice along the way.
> >
> > Alexander Hitchins
> > 
> > E: a...@alexhitchins.com
> > W: alexhitchins.com
> > M: 07788 423 969
> > T: 01892 523 587
> >
> > -Original Message-----
> > From: williamstev...@gmail.com [mailto:williamstev...@gmail.com] On
> > Behalf Of Will Stevens
> > Sent: 10 July 2017 20:49
> > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: Developer Guide - Current Setup Guide?
> >
> > Alex, I have been slowly started getting through some of the
> > documentation that is out of date and will be adding some PRs with
> > changes.  I have not looked at that specific guide yet, so I will have
> > to review that one to be any help.  I will see what I can do to help
> > this week.  You can ping me directly if you have specific questions
> > and I will try to help.  Or ask on https://apachecloudstack.slack.com/
> > and get more real time support from more of us.
> >
> > *Will Stevens*
> > CTO
> >
> > <https://goo.gl/NYZ8KK>
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Alex Hitchins <a...@alexhitchins.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > This sounds like it isn't needed currently, correct?
> > >
> > > I will see if I can locate my confluence credentials, sure I had
> > > these circa 2013!
> > >
> > > Do I assume the broader answer to my question is that this is the
> > > most up to date resource? I see another person ask noob question so
> > > wondered if I had missed something.
> > >
> > > If anyone with cloudstack chops has a spare 10 minutes to look over
> > > the current guide with me I'd be more than happy to work the changes
> > > back in to the wiki. I'll even hand over all rights to Apache.
> > >
> > > > On 10 Jul 2017, at 18:29, Ron Wheeler
> > > > <rwhee...@artifact-software.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > You may want to own the wiki content as well as the software.
> > > >
> > > > A company may want to quote the wiki or incorporate some of it
> > > > into
> > > their documentation without having to get the rights from each
> > > person who contributed to the page.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Even more complicated if someone posts a design or an enhancement
> > > > and
> > > then claims to own it and patent it.
> > > >
> > > > It is good practice to make sure that Apache owns it all (code

Re: Developer Guide - Current Setup Guide?

[Alex Hitchins]

Understand your point.

I work for my own company so don't have the issues mentioned. Agree that others 
may.

> On 10 Jul 2017, at 22:23, Ron Wheeler <rwhee...@artifact-software.com> wrote:
> 
> Some employment agreements give ALL work done while employed to the employer 
> which makes the CCLA required in some cases even if the work is being done on 
> your own time..
> 
> Not everyone needs to have a CCLA for their company but people working for 
> CloudOps, Shapeblue and other which are allowing their staff to work on 
> Apache as part of their jobs must have one on file.
> 
> Ron
> 
>> On 10/07/2017 4:27 PM, Alex Hitchins wrote:
>> That was my understanding. I'm working on this on my own time, so I have no 
>> legal concerns over the ownership of work.
>> 
>> I understand it's probably worthwhile in the long run but adds another step 
>> people may consider too much bother to make a one line change to a URL.
>> 
>> 
>> Alexander Hitchins
>> 
>> E: a...@alexhitchins.com
>> W: alexhitchins.com
>> M: 07788 423 969
>> T: 01892 523 587
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Ron Wheeler [mailto:rwhee...@artifact-software.com]
>> Sent: 10 July 2017 19:21
>> To: Will Stevens <wstev...@cloudops.com>; dev@cloudstack.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: Developer Guide - Current Setup Guide?
>> 
>> They do not need to be a committer of software.
>> I support the documentation in a number of projects where I am not a 
>> committer.
>> 
>> The ACL does give you any rights.
>> It only says that you agree that the rights to ANYTHING that you contribute 
>> to a project belong to Apache.
>> 
>> 
>> Ron
>> 
>> 
>>> On 10/07/2017 1:50 PM, Will Stevens wrote:
>>> While I agree with some of your points Ron, we also need to make sure
>>> that we are setup to be able to take advantage of motivated people
>>> contributing (especially around documentation) without first requiring
>>> that they become a committer.  That is a bit of a chicken and egg
>>> problem because no one will accept a new committer with zero activity,
>>> so if we didn't give this type of access, then an interested
>>> contributor would never be able to support the project in the ways
>>> know how.
>>> 
>>> We need as much support on the supporting documentation as we can get,
>>> and we don't have the convenience of mechanisms like 'pull requests'
>>> on wiki content.
>>> 
>>> My 0.02$ anyway...
>>> 
>>> *Will Stevens*
>>> CTO
>>> 
>>> <https://goo.gl/NYZ8KK>
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 1:29 PM, Ron Wheeler
>>> <rwhee...@artifact-software.com
>>> <mailto:rwhee...@artifact-software.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> You may want to own the wiki content as well as the software.
>>> 
>>> A company may want to quote the wiki or incorporate some of it
>>> into their documentation without having to get the rights from
>>> each person who contributed to the page.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Even more complicated if someone posts a design or an enhancement
>>> and then claims to own it and patent it.
>>> 
>>> It is good practice to make sure that Apache owns it all (code,
>>> docs, test cases, enhancements, patches)  and that you can use it
>>> all without legal problems under the Apache license.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Ron
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 10/07/2017 12:23 PM, Daan Hoogland wrote:
>>> 
>>> Why do you say that Ron? You need one to become a committer.
>>> for the
>>> wiki we need to recognise you as a contributor. I think you
>>> need no
>>> more.
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 5:10 PM, Ron Wheeler
>>> <rwhee...@artifact-software.com
>>> <mailto:rwhee...@artifact-software.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Alex,
>>> Do you have a CLA on file with Apache.
>>> You should have one to contribute to the wiki.
>>> 
>>> Ron
>>> 
>>> On 10/07/2017 10:42 AM, Daan Hoogland wrote:
>>> 
>>> create your account on cwiki and we can give you access
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 12:10 AM, Alex Hitchins
>>> <a...@alexhitc

Re: Developer Guide - Current Setup Guide?

[Ron Wheeler]

Some employment agreements give ALL work done while employed to the 
employer which makes the CCLA required in some cases even if the work is 
being done on your own time..


Not everyone needs to have a CCLA for their company but people working 
for CloudOps, Shapeblue and other which are allowing their staff to work 
on Apache as part of their jobs must have one on file.


Ron

On 10/07/2017 4:27 PM, Alex Hitchins wrote:

That was my understanding. I'm working on this on my own time, so I have no 
legal concerns over the ownership of work.

I understand it's probably worthwhile in the long run but adds another step 
people may consider too much bother to make a one line change to a URL.


Alexander Hitchins

E: a...@alexhitchins.com
W: alexhitchins.com
M: 07788 423 969
T: 01892 523 587

-Original Message-
From: Ron Wheeler [mailto:rwhee...@artifact-software.com]
Sent: 10 July 2017 19:21
To: Will Stevens <wstev...@cloudops.com>; dev@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: Re: Developer Guide - Current Setup Guide?

They do not need to be a committer of software.
I support the documentation in a number of projects where I am not a committer.

The ACL does give you any rights.
It only says that you agree that the rights to ANYTHING that you contribute to 
a project belong to Apache.


Ron


On 10/07/2017 1:50 PM, Will Stevens wrote:

While I agree with some of your points Ron, we also need to make sure
that we are setup to be able to take advantage of motivated people
contributing (especially around documentation) without first requiring
that they become a committer.  That is a bit of a chicken and egg
problem because no one will accept a new committer with zero activity,
so if we didn't give this type of access, then an interested
contributor would never be able to support the project in the ways
know how.

We need as much support on the supporting documentation as we can get,
and we don't have the convenience of mechanisms like 'pull requests'
on wiki content.

My 0.02$ anyway...

*Will Stevens*
CTO

<https://goo.gl/NYZ8KK>

On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 1:29 PM, Ron Wheeler
<rwhee...@artifact-software.com
<mailto:rwhee...@artifact-software.com>> wrote:

 You may want to own the wiki content as well as the software.

 A company may want to quote the wiki or incorporate some of it
 into their documentation without having to get the rights from
 each person who contributed to the page.


 Even more complicated if someone posts a design or an enhancement
 and then claims to own it and patent it.

 It is good practice to make sure that Apache owns it all (code,
 docs, test cases, enhancements, patches)  and that you can use it
 all without legal problems under the Apache license.


 Ron


 On 10/07/2017 12:23 PM, Daan Hoogland wrote:

 Why do you say that Ron? You need one to become a committer.
 for the
 wiki we need to recognise you as a contributor. I think you
 need no
 more.

 On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 5:10 PM, Ron Wheeler
 <rwhee...@artifact-software.com
 <mailto:rwhee...@artifact-software.com>> wrote:

 Alex,
 Do you have a CLA on file with Apache.
 You should have one to contribute to the wiki.

 Ron

 On 10/07/2017 10:42 AM, Daan Hoogland wrote:

 create your account on cwiki and we can give you access

 On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 12:10 AM, Alex Hitchins
 <a...@alexhitchins.com <mailto:a...@alexhitchins.com>>
 wrote:

 Please let me know if there is anything I can do
 to help with this.

 I have an open PR on the repo readme.md
 <http://readme.md>, minor documentation change but
 somehow is breaking the build. My guess is it's
 something unrelated on
 master.

 On 8 Jul 2017, at 22:37, Will Stevens
 <williamstev...@gmail.com
 <mailto:williamstev...@gmail.com>> wrote:

 We need to amend. As of 4.10 we are on jdk 8.

 I will have to review it and see what needs to
 be done to bring it up to
 date.

 On Jul 8, 2017 4:46 PM, "Alex Hitchins"
 <a...@alexhitchins.com
 <mailto:a...@alexhitchins.com>> wrote:

 Asking as I want to be sure I'm getting myself
 setup correctly.

 I appreciate setup guides may not necessitate
 lots of amendments however
 4
 yea

Re: Developer Guide - Current Setup Guide?

[Ron Wheeler]

It is easy to fill out the form and it lets you work on any project.

If you are only going to change a URL, you can just make a request in 
the dev list and someone with an ICLA on file will do it.

It sounds like you are going to do a lot more.

It is just a good habit for the PMC and contributors to get into.
Getting the paperwork done avoids any questions in the future.

If you ever get active on the code side  (testing, code cleanup, etc) 
you already have the ICLA in place.


Ron

On 10/07/2017 4:27 PM, Alex Hitchins wrote:

That was my understanding. I'm working on this on my own time, so I have no 
legal concerns over the ownership of work.

I understand it's probably worthwhile in the long run but adds another step 
people may consider too much bother to make a one line change to a URL.


Alexander Hitchins

E: a...@alexhitchins.com
W: alexhitchins.com
M: 07788 423 969
T: 01892 523 587

-Original Message-
From: Ron Wheeler [mailto:rwhee...@artifact-software.com]
Sent: 10 July 2017 19:21
To: Will Stevens <wstev...@cloudops.com>; dev@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: Re: Developer Guide - Current Setup Guide?

They do not need to be a committer of software.
I support the documentation in a number of projects where I am not a committer.

The ACL does give you any rights.
It only says that you agree that the rights to ANYTHING that you contribute to 
a project belong to Apache.


Ron


On 10/07/2017 1:50 PM, Will Stevens wrote:

While I agree with some of your points Ron, we also need to make sure
that we are setup to be able to take advantage of motivated people
contributing (especially around documentation) without first requiring
that they become a committer.  That is a bit of a chicken and egg
problem because no one will accept a new committer with zero activity,
so if we didn't give this type of access, then an interested
contributor would never be able to support the project in the ways
know how.

We need as much support on the supporting documentation as we can get,
and we don't have the convenience of mechanisms like 'pull requests'
on wiki content.

My 0.02$ anyway...

*Will Stevens*
CTO

<https://goo.gl/NYZ8KK>

On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 1:29 PM, Ron Wheeler
<rwhee...@artifact-software.com
<mailto:rwhee...@artifact-software.com>> wrote:

 You may want to own the wiki content as well as the software.

 A company may want to quote the wiki or incorporate some of it
 into their documentation without having to get the rights from
 each person who contributed to the page.


 Even more complicated if someone posts a design or an enhancement
 and then claims to own it and patent it.

 It is good practice to make sure that Apache owns it all (code,
 docs, test cases, enhancements, patches)  and that you can use it
 all without legal problems under the Apache license.


 Ron


 On 10/07/2017 12:23 PM, Daan Hoogland wrote:

 Why do you say that Ron? You need one to become a committer.
 for the
 wiki we need to recognise you as a contributor. I think you
 need no
 more.

 On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 5:10 PM, Ron Wheeler
 <rwhee...@artifact-software.com
 <mailto:rwhee...@artifact-software.com>> wrote:

 Alex,
 Do you have a CLA on file with Apache.
 You should have one to contribute to the wiki.

 Ron

 On 10/07/2017 10:42 AM, Daan Hoogland wrote:

 create your account on cwiki and we can give you access

 On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 12:10 AM, Alex Hitchins
 <a...@alexhitchins.com <mailto:a...@alexhitchins.com>>
 wrote:

 Please let me know if there is anything I can do
 to help with this.

 I have an open PR on the repo readme.md
 <http://readme.md>, minor documentation change but
 somehow is breaking the build. My guess is it's
 something unrelated on
 master.

 On 8 Jul 2017, at 22:37, Will Stevens
 <williamstev...@gmail.com
 <mailto:williamstev...@gmail.com>> wrote:

 We need to amend. As of 4.10 we are on jdk 8.

 I will have to review it and see what needs to
 be done to bring it up to
 date.

 On Jul 8, 2017 4:46 PM, "Alex Hitchins"
 <a...@alexhitchins.com
 <mailto:a...@alexhitchins.com>> wrote:

 Asking as I want to be sure I'm getting myself
 setup correctly.

 I appreciate setup guides may not ne

RE: Developer Guide - Current Setup Guide?

[Alex Hitchins]

That was my understanding. I'm working on this on my own time, so I have no 
legal concerns over the ownership of work.

I understand it's probably worthwhile in the long run but adds another step 
people may consider too much bother to make a one line change to a URL.


Alexander Hitchins

E: a...@alexhitchins.com
W: alexhitchins.com
M: 07788 423 969
T: 01892 523 587

-Original Message-
From: Ron Wheeler [mailto:rwhee...@artifact-software.com] 
Sent: 10 July 2017 19:21
To: Will Stevens <wstev...@cloudops.com>; dev@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: Re: Developer Guide - Current Setup Guide?

They do not need to be a committer of software.
I support the documentation in a number of projects where I am not a committer.

The ACL does give you any rights.
It only says that you agree that the rights to ANYTHING that you contribute to 
a project belong to Apache.


Ron


On 10/07/2017 1:50 PM, Will Stevens wrote:
> While I agree with some of your points Ron, we also need to make sure 
> that we are setup to be able to take advantage of motivated people 
> contributing (especially around documentation) without first requiring 
> that they become a committer.  That is a bit of a chicken and egg 
> problem because no one will accept a new committer with zero activity, 
> so if we didn't give this type of access, then an interested 
> contributor would never be able to support the project in the ways 
> know how.
>
> We need as much support on the supporting documentation as we can get, 
> and we don't have the convenience of mechanisms like 'pull requests' 
> on wiki content.
>
> My 0.02$ anyway...
>
> *Will Stevens*
> CTO
>
> <https://goo.gl/NYZ8KK>
>
> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 1:29 PM, Ron Wheeler 
> <rwhee...@artifact-software.com 
> <mailto:rwhee...@artifact-software.com>> wrote:
>
> You may want to own the wiki content as well as the software.
>
> A company may want to quote the wiki or incorporate some of it
> into their documentation without having to get the rights from
> each person who contributed to the page.
>
>
> Even more complicated if someone posts a design or an enhancement
> and then claims to own it and patent it.
>
> It is good practice to make sure that Apache owns it all (code,
> docs, test cases, enhancements, patches)  and that you can use it
> all without legal problems under the Apache license.
>
>
> Ron
>
>
> On 10/07/2017 12:23 PM, Daan Hoogland wrote:
>
> Why do you say that Ron? You need one to become a committer.
> for the
> wiki we need to recognise you as a contributor. I think you
> need no
> more.
>
> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 5:10 PM, Ron Wheeler
> <rwhee...@artifact-software.com
> <mailto:rwhee...@artifact-software.com>> wrote:
>
> Alex,
> Do you have a CLA on file with Apache.
> You should have one to contribute to the wiki.
>
> Ron
>
> On 10/07/2017 10:42 AM, Daan Hoogland wrote:
>
> create your account on cwiki and we can give you access
>
> On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 12:10 AM, Alex Hitchins
> <a...@alexhitchins.com <mailto:a...@alexhitchins.com>>
> wrote:
>
> Please let me know if there is anything I can do
> to help with this.
>
> I have an open PR on the repo readme.md
> <http://readme.md>, minor documentation change but
> somehow is breaking the build. My guess is it's
> something unrelated on
> master.
>
> On 8 Jul 2017, at 22:37, Will Stevens
> <williamstev...@gmail.com
> <mailto:williamstev...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> We need to amend. As of 4.10 we are on jdk 8.
>
> I will have to review it and see what needs to
> be done to bring it up to
> date.
>
> On Jul 8, 2017 4:46 PM, "Alex Hitchins"
> <a...@alexhitchins.com
> <mailto:a...@alexhitchins.com>> wrote:
>
> Asking as I want to be sure I'm getting myself
> setup correctly.
>
> I appreciate setup guides may not necessitate
> lots of amendments however
> 4
> yea

RE: Developer Guide - Current Setup Guide?

[Alex Hitchins]

Great - the setup guide I'm following is : 
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Setting+up+CloudStack+Development+Environment+on+Linux

I have got a pull request open for the git repo readme, however it's breaking 
the build (somehow!). That is this one : 
https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/pull/2170




Alexander Hitchins

E: a...@alexhitchins.com
W: alexhitchins.com
M: 07788 423 969
T: 01892 523 587

-Original Message-
From: Will Stevens [mailto:williamstev...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 10 July 2017 21:30
To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: RE: Developer Guide - Current Setup Guide?

Perfect. I will review that set of docs after I finish the one I am working on 
and we will go from there.

Can you link the doc you are referencing?

On Jul 10, 2017 4:21 PM, "Alex Hitchins" <a...@alexhitchins.com> wrote:

> Thanks Will, very kind of you.
>
> I will try and get as far along as I can and keep notes of things I 
> notice along the way.
>
> Alexander Hitchins
> 
> E: a...@alexhitchins.com
> W: alexhitchins.com
> M: 07788 423 969
> T: 01892 523 587
>
> -Original Message-
> From: williamstev...@gmail.com [mailto:williamstev...@gmail.com] On 
> Behalf Of Will Stevens
> Sent: 10 July 2017 20:49
> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Developer Guide - Current Setup Guide?
>
> Alex, I have been slowly started getting through some of the 
> documentation that is out of date and will be adding some PRs with 
> changes.  I have not looked at that specific guide yet, so I will have 
> to review that one to be any help.  I will see what I can do to help 
> this week.  You can ping me directly if you have specific questions 
> and I will try to help.  Or ask on https://apachecloudstack.slack.com/ 
> and get more real time support from more of us.
>
> *Will Stevens*
> CTO
>
> <https://goo.gl/NYZ8KK>
>
> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Alex Hitchins <a...@alexhitchins.com>
> wrote:
>
> > This sounds like it isn't needed currently, correct?
> >
> > I will see if I can locate my confluence credentials, sure I had 
> > these circa 2013!
> >
> > Do I assume the broader answer to my question is that this is the 
> > most up to date resource? I see another person ask noob question so 
> > wondered if I had missed something.
> >
> > If anyone with cloudstack chops has a spare 10 minutes to look over 
> > the current guide with me I'd be more than happy to work the changes 
> > back in to the wiki. I'll even hand over all rights to Apache.
> >
> > > On 10 Jul 2017, at 18:29, Ron Wheeler 
> > > <rwhee...@artifact-software.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > You may want to own the wiki content as well as the software.
> > >
> > > A company may want to quote the wiki or incorporate some of it 
> > > into
> > their documentation without having to get the rights from each 
> > person who contributed to the page.
> > >
> > >
> > > Even more complicated if someone posts a design or an enhancement 
> > > and
> > then claims to own it and patent it.
> > >
> > > It is good practice to make sure that Apache owns it all (code, 
> > > docs,
> > test cases, enhancements, patches)  and that you can use it all 
> > without legal problems under the Apache license.
> > >
> > >
> > > Ron
> > >
> > >> On 10/07/2017 12:23 PM, Daan Hoogland wrote:
> > >> Why do you say that Ron? You need one to become a committer. for 
> > >> the wiki we need to recognise you as a contributor. I think you 
> > >> need no more.
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 5:10 PM, Ron Wheeler 
> > >> <rwhee...@artifact-software.com> wrote:
> > >>> Alex,
> > >>> Do you have a CLA on file with Apache.
> > >>> You should have one to contribute to the wiki.
> > >>>
> > >>> Ron
> > >>>
> > >>>> On 10/07/2017 10:42 AM, Daan Hoogland wrote:
> > >>>> create your account on cwiki and we can give you access
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 12:10 AM, Alex Hitchins 
> > >>>> <a...@alexhitchins.com
> > >
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>> Please let me know if there is anything I can do to help with this.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I have an open PR on the repo readme.md, minor documentation 
> > >>>>> change
> > but
&

RE: Developer Guide - Current Setup Guide?

[Will Stevens]

Perfect. I will review that set of docs after I finish the one I am working
on and we will go from there.

Can you link the doc you are referencing?

On Jul 10, 2017 4:21 PM, "Alex Hitchins" <a...@alexhitchins.com> wrote:

> Thanks Will, very kind of you.
>
> I will try and get as far along as I can and keep notes of things I notice
> along the way.
>
> Alexander Hitchins
> 
> E: a...@alexhitchins.com
> W: alexhitchins.com
> M: 07788 423 969
> T: 01892 523 587
>
> -Original Message-
> From: williamstev...@gmail.com [mailto:williamstev...@gmail.com] On
> Behalf Of Will Stevens
> Sent: 10 July 2017 20:49
> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Developer Guide - Current Setup Guide?
>
> Alex, I have been slowly started getting through some of the documentation
> that is out of date and will be adding some PRs with changes.  I have not
> looked at that specific guide yet, so I will have to review that one to be
> any help.  I will see what I can do to help this week.  You can ping me
> directly if you have specific questions and I will try to help.  Or ask on
> https://apachecloudstack.slack.com/ and get more real time support from
> more of us.
>
> *Will Stevens*
> CTO
>
> <https://goo.gl/NYZ8KK>
>
> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Alex Hitchins <a...@alexhitchins.com>
> wrote:
>
> > This sounds like it isn't needed currently, correct?
> >
> > I will see if I can locate my confluence credentials, sure I had these
> > circa 2013!
> >
> > Do I assume the broader answer to my question is that this is the most
> > up to date resource? I see another person ask noob question so
> > wondered if I had missed something.
> >
> > If anyone with cloudstack chops has a spare 10 minutes to look over
> > the current guide with me I'd be more than happy to work the changes
> > back in to the wiki. I'll even hand over all rights to Apache.
> >
> > > On 10 Jul 2017, at 18:29, Ron Wheeler
> > > <rwhee...@artifact-software.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > You may want to own the wiki content as well as the software.
> > >
> > > A company may want to quote the wiki or incorporate some of it into
> > their documentation without having to get the rights from each person
> > who contributed to the page.
> > >
> > >
> > > Even more complicated if someone posts a design or an enhancement
> > > and
> > then claims to own it and patent it.
> > >
> > > It is good practice to make sure that Apache owns it all (code,
> > > docs,
> > test cases, enhancements, patches)  and that you can use it all
> > without legal problems under the Apache license.
> > >
> > >
> > > Ron
> > >
> > >> On 10/07/2017 12:23 PM, Daan Hoogland wrote:
> > >> Why do you say that Ron? You need one to become a committer. for
> > >> the wiki we need to recognise you as a contributor. I think you
> > >> need no more.
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 5:10 PM, Ron Wheeler
> > >> <rwhee...@artifact-software.com> wrote:
> > >>> Alex,
> > >>> Do you have a CLA on file with Apache.
> > >>> You should have one to contribute to the wiki.
> > >>>
> > >>> Ron
> > >>>
> > >>>> On 10/07/2017 10:42 AM, Daan Hoogland wrote:
> > >>>> create your account on cwiki and we can give you access
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 12:10 AM, Alex Hitchins
> > >>>> <a...@alexhitchins.com
> > >
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>> Please let me know if there is anything I can do to help with this.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I have an open PR on the repo readme.md, minor documentation
> > >>>>> change
> > but
> > >>>>> somehow is breaking the build. My guess is it's something
> > >>>>> unrelated
> > on
> > >>>>> master.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> On 8 Jul 2017, at 22:37, Will Stevens
> > >>>>>> <williamstev...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> We need to amend. As of 4.10 we are on jdk 8.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I will have to review it and see what needs to be done to bring
> > >>>>>> it
> > up to
> > >&

RE: Developer Guide - Current Setup Guide?

[Alex Hitchins]

Thanks Will, very kind of you.

I will try and get as far along as I can and keep notes of things I notice 
along the way.

Alexander Hitchins

E: a...@alexhitchins.com
W: alexhitchins.com
M: 07788 423 969
T: 01892 523 587

-Original Message-
From: williamstev...@gmail.com [mailto:williamstev...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of 
Will Stevens
Sent: 10 July 2017 20:49
To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: Re: Developer Guide - Current Setup Guide?

Alex, I have been slowly started getting through some of the documentation that 
is out of date and will be adding some PRs with changes.  I have not looked at 
that specific guide yet, so I will have to review that one to be any help.  I 
will see what I can do to help this week.  You can ping me directly if you have 
specific questions and I will try to help.  Or ask on 
https://apachecloudstack.slack.com/ and get more real time support from more of 
us.

*Will Stevens*
CTO

<https://goo.gl/NYZ8KK>

On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Alex Hitchins <a...@alexhitchins.com>
wrote:

> This sounds like it isn't needed currently, correct?
>
> I will see if I can locate my confluence credentials, sure I had these 
> circa 2013!
>
> Do I assume the broader answer to my question is that this is the most 
> up to date resource? I see another person ask noob question so 
> wondered if I had missed something.
>
> If anyone with cloudstack chops has a spare 10 minutes to look over 
> the current guide with me I'd be more than happy to work the changes 
> back in to the wiki. I'll even hand over all rights to Apache.
>
> > On 10 Jul 2017, at 18:29, Ron Wheeler 
> > <rwhee...@artifact-software.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > You may want to own the wiki content as well as the software.
> >
> > A company may want to quote the wiki or incorporate some of it into
> their documentation without having to get the rights from each person 
> who contributed to the page.
> >
> >
> > Even more complicated if someone posts a design or an enhancement 
> > and
> then claims to own it and patent it.
> >
> > It is good practice to make sure that Apache owns it all (code, 
> > docs,
> test cases, enhancements, patches)  and that you can use it all 
> without legal problems under the Apache license.
> >
> >
> > Ron
> >
> >> On 10/07/2017 12:23 PM, Daan Hoogland wrote:
> >> Why do you say that Ron? You need one to become a committer. for 
> >> the wiki we need to recognise you as a contributor. I think you 
> >> need no more.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 5:10 PM, Ron Wheeler 
> >> <rwhee...@artifact-software.com> wrote:
> >>> Alex,
> >>> Do you have a CLA on file with Apache.
> >>> You should have one to contribute to the wiki.
> >>>
> >>> Ron
> >>>
> >>>> On 10/07/2017 10:42 AM, Daan Hoogland wrote:
> >>>> create your account on cwiki and we can give you access
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 12:10 AM, Alex Hitchins 
> >>>> <a...@alexhitchins.com
> >
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>> Please let me know if there is anything I can do to help with this.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have an open PR on the repo readme.md, minor documentation 
> >>>>> change
> but
> >>>>> somehow is breaking the build. My guess is it's something 
> >>>>> unrelated
> on
> >>>>> master.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 8 Jul 2017, at 22:37, Will Stevens 
> >>>>>> <williamstev...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> We need to amend. As of 4.10 we are on jdk 8.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I will have to review it and see what needs to be done to bring 
> >>>>>> it
> up to
> >>>>>> date.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Jul 8, 2017 4:46 PM, "Alex Hitchins" <a...@alexhitchins.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Asking as I want to be sure I'm getting myself setup correctly.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I appreciate setup guides may not necessitate lots of 
> >>>>>> amendments
> however
> >>>>>> 4
> >>>>>> years seemed a long time to go with nothing. Are we still on 
> >>>>>> JDK 6
> for
> >>>>>> example?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> More than happy to 

Re: Developer Guide - Current Setup Guide?

[Will Stevens]

Alex, I have been slowly started getting through some of the documentation
that is out of date and will be adding some PRs with changes.  I have not
looked at that specific guide yet, so I will have to review that one to be
any help.  I will see what I can do to help this week.  You can ping me
directly if you have specific questions and I will try to help.  Or ask on
https://apachecloudstack.slack.com/ and get more real time support from
more of us.

*Will Stevens*
CTO

<https://goo.gl/NYZ8KK>

On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Alex Hitchins <a...@alexhitchins.com>
wrote:

> This sounds like it isn't needed currently, correct?
>
> I will see if I can locate my confluence credentials, sure I had these
> circa 2013!
>
> Do I assume the broader answer to my question is that this is the most up
> to date resource? I see another person ask noob question so wondered if I
> had missed something.
>
> If anyone with cloudstack chops has a spare 10 minutes to look over the
> current guide with me I'd be more than happy to work the changes back in to
> the wiki. I'll even hand over all rights to Apache.
>
> > On 10 Jul 2017, at 18:29, Ron Wheeler <rwhee...@artifact-software.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > You may want to own the wiki content as well as the software.
> >
> > A company may want to quote the wiki or incorporate some of it into
> their documentation without having to get the rights from each person who
> contributed to the page.
> >
> >
> > Even more complicated if someone posts a design or an enhancement and
> then claims to own it and patent it.
> >
> > It is good practice to make sure that Apache owns it all (code, docs,
> test cases, enhancements, patches)  and that you can use it all without
> legal problems under the Apache license.
> >
> >
> > Ron
> >
> >> On 10/07/2017 12:23 PM, Daan Hoogland wrote:
> >> Why do you say that Ron? You need one to become a committer. for the
> >> wiki we need to recognise you as a contributor. I think you need no
> >> more.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 5:10 PM, Ron Wheeler
> >> <rwhee...@artifact-software.com> wrote:
> >>> Alex,
> >>> Do you have a CLA on file with Apache.
> >>> You should have one to contribute to the wiki.
> >>>
> >>> Ron
> >>>
> >>>> On 10/07/2017 10:42 AM, Daan Hoogland wrote:
> >>>> create your account on cwiki and we can give you access
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 12:10 AM, Alex Hitchins <a...@alexhitchins.com
> >
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>> Please let me know if there is anything I can do to help with this.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have an open PR on the repo readme.md, minor documentation change
> but
> >>>>> somehow is breaking the build. My guess is it's something unrelated
> on
> >>>>> master.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 8 Jul 2017, at 22:37, Will Stevens <williamstev...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> We need to amend. As of 4.10 we are on jdk 8.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I will have to review it and see what needs to be done to bring it
> up to
> >>>>>> date.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Jul 8, 2017 4:46 PM, "Alex Hitchins" <a...@alexhitchins.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Asking as I want to be sure I'm getting myself setup correctly.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I appreciate setup guides may not necessitate lots of amendments
> however
> >>>>>> 4
> >>>>>> years seemed a long time to go with nothing. Are we still on JDK 6
> for
> >>>>>> example?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> More than happy to amend Confluence with updates as I come across
> them.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Alexander Hitchins
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> E: a...@alexhitchins.com
> >>>>>> W: alexhitchins.com
> >>>>>> M: 07788 423 969
> >>>>>> T: 01892 523 587
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -Original Message-
> >>>>>> From: Daan Hoogland [mailto:daan.hoogl...@gmail.com]
> >>>>>> Sent: 07 July 2017 21:08
> >>>>>> To: dev <dev@cloudstack.apache.org>
> >

Re: Developer Guide - Current Setup Guide?

[Will Stevens]

It is worth asking people to sign those even if they are not a committer,
but they are actively contributing to the wiki.  So if that is your point,
then I agree that is probably a good idea Ron...

*Will Stevens*
CTO

<https://goo.gl/NYZ8KK>

On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 2:32 PM, Ron Wheeler <rwhee...@artifact-software.com
> wrote:

> https://www.apache.org/licenses/icla.pdf should be filled in and
> submitted.
> It covers all Apache projects so you only do it once. It specifically
> mentions documentation.
>
> It is also important to note that if a contributor works for a company and
> works on Apache projects on company time or has signed an employment
> agreement that gives the employer rights to all work that they do while
> they are employed, Apache needs a corporate CLA
> https://www.apache.org/licenses/cla-corporate.txt wherein the corporation
> cedes the rights to Apache.
> Unfortunately the PMC needs to trust the individual contributors to be
> aware of the status of the rights to their work and do the right thing.
> If you suspect that a contributor is in this situation, it is worth asking
> the questions about their employment and getting a CCLA signed.
>
> These are not onerous but are a sign that a project takes its work
> seriously and intends to have people integrate their products into
> production environments without having to worry about legal entanglements.
>
> Ron
>
>
> On 10/07/2017 1:58 PM, Alex Hitchins wrote:
>
>> This sounds like it isn't needed currently, correct?
>>
>> I will see if I can locate my confluence credentials, sure I had these
>> circa 2013!
>>
>> Do I assume the broader answer to my question is that this is the most up
>> to date resource? I see another person ask noob question so wondered if I
>> had missed something.
>>
>> If anyone with cloudstack chops has a spare 10 minutes to look over the
>> current guide with me I'd be more than happy to work the changes back in to
>> the wiki. I'll even hand over all rights to Apache.
>>
>> On 10 Jul 2017, at 18:29, Ron Wheeler <rwhee...@artifact-software.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> You may want to own the wiki content as well as the software.
>>>
>>> A company may want to quote the wiki or incorporate some of it into
>>> their documentation without having to get the rights from each person who
>>> contributed to the page.
>>>
>>>
>>> Even more complicated if someone posts a design or an enhancement and
>>> then claims to own it and patent it.
>>>
>>> It is good practice to make sure that Apache owns it all (code, docs,
>>> test cases, enhancements, patches)  and that you can use it all without
>>> legal problems under the Apache license.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ron
>>>
>>> On 10/07/2017 12:23 PM, Daan Hoogland wrote:
>>>> Why do you say that Ron? You need one to become a committer. for the
>>>> wiki we need to recognise you as a contributor. I think you need no
>>>> more.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 5:10 PM, Ron Wheeler
>>>> <rwhee...@artifact-software.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Alex,
>>>>> Do you have a CLA on file with Apache.
>>>>> You should have one to contribute to the wiki.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ron
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/07/2017 10:42 AM, Daan Hoogland wrote:
>>>>>> create your account on cwiki and we can give you access
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 12:10 AM, Alex Hitchins <a...@alexhitchins.com
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please let me know if there is anything I can do to help with this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have an open PR on the repo readme.md, minor documentation change
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>> somehow is breaking the build. My guess is it's something unrelated
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> master.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 8 Jul 2017, at 22:37, Will Stevens <williamstev...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We need to amend. As of 4.10 we are on jdk 8.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I will have to review it and see what needs to be done to bring it
>>>>>>>> up to
>>>>>>>> date.
>>>>>>>>
>>>

Re: Developer Guide - Current Setup Guide?

[Ron Wheeler]

https://www.apache.org/licenses/icla.pdf should be filled in and submitted.
It covers all Apache projects so you only do it once. It specifically 
mentions documentation.


It is also important to note that if a contributor works for a company 
and works on Apache projects on company time or has signed an employment 
agreement that gives the employer rights to all work that they do while 
they are employed, Apache needs a corporate CLA  
https://www.apache.org/licenses/cla-corporate.txt wherein the 
corporation cedes the rights to Apache.
Unfortunately the PMC needs to trust the individual contributors to be 
aware of the status of the rights to their work and do the right thing.
If you suspect that a contributor is in this situation, it is worth 
asking the questions about their employment and getting a CCLA signed.


These are not onerous but are a sign that a project takes its work 
seriously and intends to have people integrate their products into 
production environments without having to worry about legal entanglements.


Ron

On 10/07/2017 1:58 PM, Alex Hitchins wrote:

This sounds like it isn't needed currently, correct?

I will see if I can locate my confluence credentials, sure I had these circa 
2013!

Do I assume the broader answer to my question is that this is the most up to 
date resource? I see another person ask noob question so wondered if I had 
missed something.

If anyone with cloudstack chops has a spare 10 minutes to look over the current 
guide with me I'd be more than happy to work the changes back in to the wiki. 
I'll even hand over all rights to Apache.


On 10 Jul 2017, at 18:29, Ron Wheeler <rwhee...@artifact-software.com> wrote:

You may want to own the wiki content as well as the software.

A company may want to quote the wiki or incorporate some of it into their 
documentation without having to get the rights from each person who contributed 
to the page.


Even more complicated if someone posts a design or an enhancement and then 
claims to own it and patent it.

It is good practice to make sure that Apache owns it all (code, docs, test 
cases, enhancements, patches)  and that you can use it all without legal 
problems under the Apache license.


Ron


On 10/07/2017 12:23 PM, Daan Hoogland wrote:
Why do you say that Ron? You need one to become a committer. for the
wiki we need to recognise you as a contributor. I think you need no
more.

On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 5:10 PM, Ron Wheeler
<rwhee...@artifact-software.com> wrote:

Alex,
Do you have a CLA on file with Apache.
You should have one to contribute to the wiki.

Ron


On 10/07/2017 10:42 AM, Daan Hoogland wrote:
create your account on cwiki and we can give you access

On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 12:10 AM, Alex Hitchins <a...@alexhitchins.com>
wrote:

Please let me know if there is anything I can do to help with this.

I have an open PR on the repo readme.md, minor documentation change but
somehow is breaking the build. My guess is it's something unrelated on
master.


On 8 Jul 2017, at 22:37, Will Stevens <williamstev...@gmail.com> wrote:

We need to amend. As of 4.10 we are on jdk 8.

I will have to review it and see what needs to be done to bring it up to
date.

On Jul 8, 2017 4:46 PM, "Alex Hitchins" <a...@alexhitchins.com> wrote:

Asking as I want to be sure I'm getting myself setup correctly.

I appreciate setup guides may not necessitate lots of amendments however
4
years seemed a long time to go with nothing. Are we still on JDK 6 for
example?

More than happy to amend Confluence with updates as I come across them.


Alexander Hitchins

E: a...@alexhitchins.com
W: alexhitchins.com
M: 07788 423 969
T: 01892 523 587

-Original Message-
From: Daan Hoogland [mailto:daan.hoogl...@gmail.com]
Sent: 07 July 2017 21:08
To: dev <dev@cloudstack.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Developer Guide - Current Setup Guide?

Why do you ask, Alex? Is something not working?

Biligual auto correct use.  Read at your own risico


On 7 Jul 2017 9:54 pm, "Alex Hitchins" <a...@alexhitchins.com> wrote:

Hello all,



I note this was last amended 2013, is there a better/more recent
resource for the aspiring CloudStack developer?



https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/
Setting+up+CloudStack
+Development+Environment+on+Linux









Alexander Hitchins



E: a...@alexhitchins.com

W: alexhitchins.com

M: 07788 423 969

T: 01892 523 587





--
Ron Wheeler
President
Artifact Software Inc
email: rwhee...@artifact-software.com
skype: ronaldmwheeler
phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102




--
Ron Wheeler
President
Artifact Software Inc
email: rwhee...@artifact-software.com
skype: ronaldmwheeler
phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102





--
Ron Wheeler
President
Artifact Software Inc
email: rwhee...@artifact-software.com
skype: ronaldmwheeler
phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102

Re: Developer Guide - Current Setup Guide?

[Ron Wheeler]

They do not need to be a committer of software.
I support the documentation in a number of projects where I am not a 
committer.


The ACL does give you any rights.
It only says that you agree that the rights to ANYTHING that you 
contribute to a project belong to Apache.



Ron


On 10/07/2017 1:50 PM, Will Stevens wrote:
While I agree with some of your points Ron, we also need to make sure 
that we are setup to be able to take advantage of motivated people 
contributing (especially around documentation) without first requiring 
that they become a committer.  That is a bit of a chicken and egg 
problem because no one will accept a new committer with zero activity, 
so if we didn't give this type of access, then an interested 
contributor would never be able to support the project in the ways 
know how.


We need as much support on the supporting documentation as we can get, 
and we don't have the convenience of mechanisms like 'pull requests' 
on wiki content.


My 0.02$ anyway...

*Will Stevens*
CTO

<https://goo.gl/NYZ8KK>

On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 1:29 PM, Ron Wheeler 
<rwhee...@artifact-software.com 
<mailto:rwhee...@artifact-software.com>> wrote:


You may want to own the wiki content as well as the software.

A company may want to quote the wiki or incorporate some of it
into their documentation without having to get the rights from
each person who contributed to the page.


Even more complicated if someone posts a design or an enhancement
and then claims to own it and patent it.

It is good practice to make sure that Apache owns it all (code,
docs, test cases, enhancements, patches)  and that you can use it
all without legal problems under the Apache license.


Ron


On 10/07/2017 12:23 PM, Daan Hoogland wrote:

Why do you say that Ron? You need one to become a committer.
for the
wiki we need to recognise you as a contributor. I think you
need no
more.

On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 5:10 PM, Ron Wheeler
<rwhee...@artifact-software.com
<mailto:rwhee...@artifact-software.com>> wrote:

Alex,
Do you have a CLA on file with Apache.
You should have one to contribute to the wiki.

Ron

On 10/07/2017 10:42 AM, Daan Hoogland wrote:

create your account on cwiki and we can give you access

On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 12:10 AM, Alex Hitchins
<a...@alexhitchins.com <mailto:a...@alexhitchins.com>>
wrote:

Please let me know if there is anything I can do
to help with this.

I have an open PR on the repo readme.md
<http://readme.md>, minor documentation change but
somehow is breaking the build. My guess is it's
something unrelated on
master.

On 8 Jul 2017, at 22:37, Will Stevens
<williamstev...@gmail.com
<mailto:williamstev...@gmail.com>> wrote:

We need to amend. As of 4.10 we are on jdk 8.

I will have to review it and see what needs to
be done to bring it up to
date.

On Jul 8, 2017 4:46 PM, "Alex Hitchins"
<a...@alexhitchins.com
<mailto:a...@alexhitchins.com>> wrote:

Asking as I want to be sure I'm getting myself
setup correctly.

I appreciate setup guides may not necessitate
lots of amendments however
4
years seemed a long time to go with nothing.
Are we still on JDK 6 for
example?

More than happy to amend Confluence with
updates as I come across them.


Alexander Hitchins

E: a...@alexhitchins.com
<mailto:a...@alexhitchins.com>
W: alexhitchins.com <http://alexhitchins.com>
M: 07788 423 969
T: 01892 523 587

-Original Message-
From: Daan Hoogland
[mailto:daan.hoogl...@gmail.com
<mailto:daan.hoogl...@gmail.com>]
Sent: 07 July 2017 21:08
To: dev <dev@cloudstack.apache.org
            <mailto:dev@cloudstack.apache.org>>
Subject: Re: Developer Guide - Current Setup
Guide?

Re: Developer Guide - Current Setup Guide?

[Will Stevens]

While I agree with some of your points Ron, we also need to make sure that
we are setup to be able to take advantage of motivated people contributing
(especially around documentation) without first requiring that they become
a committer.  That is a bit of a chicken and egg problem because no one
will accept a new committer with zero activity, so if we didn't give this
type of access, then an interested contributor would never be able to
support the project in the ways know how.

We need as much support on the supporting documentation as we can get, and
we don't have the convenience of mechanisms like 'pull requests' on wiki
content.

My 0.02$ anyway...

*Will Stevens*
CTO

<https://goo.gl/NYZ8KK>

On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 1:29 PM, Ron Wheeler <rwhee...@artifact-software.com
> wrote:

> You may want to own the wiki content as well as the software.
>
> A company may want to quote the wiki or incorporate some of it into their
> documentation without having to get the rights from each person who
> contributed to the page.
>
>
> Even more complicated if someone posts a design or an enhancement and then
> claims to own it and patent it.
>
> It is good practice to make sure that Apache owns it all (code, docs, test
> cases, enhancements, patches)  and that you can use it all without legal
> problems under the Apache license.
>
>
> Ron
>
>
> On 10/07/2017 12:23 PM, Daan Hoogland wrote:
>
>> Why do you say that Ron? You need one to become a committer. for the
>> wiki we need to recognise you as a contributor. I think you need no
>> more.
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 5:10 PM, Ron Wheeler
>> <rwhee...@artifact-software.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Alex,
>>> Do you have a CLA on file with Apache.
>>> You should have one to contribute to the wiki.
>>>
>>> Ron
>>>
>>> On 10/07/2017 10:42 AM, Daan Hoogland wrote:
>>>
>>>> create your account on cwiki and we can give you access
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 12:10 AM, Alex Hitchins <a...@alexhitchins.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Please let me know if there is anything I can do to help with this.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have an open PR on the repo readme.md, minor documentation change
>>>>> but
>>>>> somehow is breaking the build. My guess is it's something unrelated on
>>>>> master.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8 Jul 2017, at 22:37, Will Stevens <williamstev...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We need to amend. As of 4.10 we are on jdk 8.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will have to review it and see what needs to be done to bring it up
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> date.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 8, 2017 4:46 PM, "Alex Hitchins" <a...@alexhitchins.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Asking as I want to be sure I'm getting myself setup correctly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I appreciate setup guides may not necessitate lots of amendments
>>>>>> however
>>>>>> 4
>>>>>> years seemed a long time to go with nothing. Are we still on JDK 6 for
>>>>>> example?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> More than happy to amend Confluence with updates as I come across
>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alexander Hitchins
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> E: a...@alexhitchins.com
>>>>>> W: alexhitchins.com
>>>>>> M: 07788 423 969
>>>>>> T: 01892 523 587
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>> From: Daan Hoogland [mailto:daan.hoogl...@gmail.com]
>>>>>> Sent: 07 July 2017 21:08
>>>>>> To: dev <dev@cloudstack.apache.org>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Developer Guide - Current Setup Guide?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why do you ask, Alex? Is something not working?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Biligual auto correct use.  Read at your own risico
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2017 9:54 pm, "Alex Hitchins" <a...@alexhitchins.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I note this was last amended 2013, is there a better/more recent
>>>>>>> resource for the aspiring CloudStack developer?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/
>>>>>>> Setting+up+CloudStack
>>>>>>> +Development+Environment+on+Linux
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alexander Hitchins
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> E: a...@alexhitchins.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> W: alexhitchins.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> M: 07788 423 969
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> T: 01892 523 587
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>> --
>>> Ron Wheeler
>>> President
>>> Artifact Software Inc
>>> email: rwhee...@artifact-software.com
>>> skype: ronaldmwheeler
>>> phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
> --
> Ron Wheeler
> President
> Artifact Software Inc
> email: rwhee...@artifact-software.com
> skype: ronaldmwheeler
> phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102
>
>

Re: Developer Guide - Current Setup Guide?

[Alex Hitchins]

This sounds like it isn't needed currently, correct?

I will see if I can locate my confluence credentials, sure I had these circa 
2013!

Do I assume the broader answer to my question is that this is the most up to 
date resource? I see another person ask noob question so wondered if I had 
missed something.

If anyone with cloudstack chops has a spare 10 minutes to look over the current 
guide with me I'd be more than happy to work the changes back in to the wiki. 
I'll even hand over all rights to Apache.

> On 10 Jul 2017, at 18:29, Ron Wheeler <rwhee...@artifact-software.com> wrote:
> 
> You may want to own the wiki content as well as the software.
> 
> A company may want to quote the wiki or incorporate some of it into their 
> documentation without having to get the rights from each person who 
> contributed to the page.
> 
> 
> Even more complicated if someone posts a design or an enhancement and then 
> claims to own it and patent it.
> 
> It is good practice to make sure that Apache owns it all (code, docs, test 
> cases, enhancements, patches)  and that you can use it all without legal 
> problems under the Apache license.
> 
> 
> Ron
> 
>> On 10/07/2017 12:23 PM, Daan Hoogland wrote:
>> Why do you say that Ron? You need one to become a committer. for the
>> wiki we need to recognise you as a contributor. I think you need no
>> more.
>> 
>> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 5:10 PM, Ron Wheeler
>> <rwhee...@artifact-software.com> wrote:
>>> Alex,
>>> Do you have a CLA on file with Apache.
>>> You should have one to contribute to the wiki.
>>> 
>>> Ron
>>> 
>>>> On 10/07/2017 10:42 AM, Daan Hoogland wrote:
>>>> create your account on cwiki and we can give you access
>>>> 
>>>> On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 12:10 AM, Alex Hitchins <a...@alexhitchins.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Please let me know if there is anything I can do to help with this.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have an open PR on the repo readme.md, minor documentation change but
>>>>> somehow is breaking the build. My guess is it's something unrelated on
>>>>> master.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 8 Jul 2017, at 22:37, Will Stevens <williamstev...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> We need to amend. As of 4.10 we are on jdk 8.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I will have to review it and see what needs to be done to bring it up to
>>>>>> date.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 8, 2017 4:46 PM, "Alex Hitchins" <a...@alexhitchins.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Asking as I want to be sure I'm getting myself setup correctly.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I appreciate setup guides may not necessitate lots of amendments however
>>>>>> 4
>>>>>> years seemed a long time to go with nothing. Are we still on JDK 6 for
>>>>>> example?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> More than happy to amend Confluence with updates as I come across them.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Alexander Hitchins
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> E: a...@alexhitchins.com
>>>>>> W: alexhitchins.com
>>>>>> M: 07788 423 969
>>>>>> T: 01892 523 587
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>> From: Daan Hoogland [mailto:daan.hoogl...@gmail.com]
>>>>>> Sent: 07 July 2017 21:08
>>>>>> To: dev <dev@cloudstack.apache.org>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Developer Guide - Current Setup Guide?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Why do you ask, Alex? Is something not working?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Biligual auto correct use.  Read at your own risico
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2017 9:54 pm, "Alex Hitchins" <a...@alexhitchins.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I note this was last amended 2013, is there a better/more recent
>>>>>>> resource for the aspiring CloudStack developer?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/
>>>>>>> Setting+up+CloudStack
>>>>>>> +Development+Environment+on+Linux
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Alexander Hitchins
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> E: a...@alexhitchins.com
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> W: alexhitchins.com
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> M: 07788 423 969
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> T: 01892 523 587
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> --
>>> Ron Wheeler
>>> President
>>> Artifact Software Inc
>>> email: rwhee...@artifact-software.com
>>> skype: ronaldmwheeler
>>> phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102
>>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> -- 
> Ron Wheeler
> President
> Artifact Software Inc
> email: rwhee...@artifact-software.com
> skype: ronaldmwheeler
> phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102
> 

Re: Developer Guide - Current Setup Guide?

[Ron Wheeler]

You may want to own the wiki content as well as the software.

A company may want to quote the wiki or incorporate some of it into 
their documentation without having to get the rights from each person 
who contributed to the page.



Even more complicated if someone posts a design or an enhancement and 
then claims to own it and patent it.


It is good practice to make sure that Apache owns it all (code, docs, 
test cases, enhancements, patches)  and that you can use it all without 
legal problems under the Apache license.



Ron

On 10/07/2017 12:23 PM, Daan Hoogland wrote:

Why do you say that Ron? You need one to become a committer. for the
wiki we need to recognise you as a contributor. I think you need no
more.

On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 5:10 PM, Ron Wheeler
<rwhee...@artifact-software.com> wrote:

Alex,
Do you have a CLA on file with Apache.
You should have one to contribute to the wiki.

Ron

On 10/07/2017 10:42 AM, Daan Hoogland wrote:

create your account on cwiki and we can give you access

On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 12:10 AM, Alex Hitchins <a...@alexhitchins.com>
wrote:

Please let me know if there is anything I can do to help with this.

I have an open PR on the repo readme.md, minor documentation change but
somehow is breaking the build. My guess is it's something unrelated on
master.


On 8 Jul 2017, at 22:37, Will Stevens <williamstev...@gmail.com> wrote:

We need to amend. As of 4.10 we are on jdk 8.

I will have to review it and see what needs to be done to bring it up to
date.

On Jul 8, 2017 4:46 PM, "Alex Hitchins" <a...@alexhitchins.com> wrote:

Asking as I want to be sure I'm getting myself setup correctly.

I appreciate setup guides may not necessitate lots of amendments however
4
years seemed a long time to go with nothing. Are we still on JDK 6 for
example?

More than happy to amend Confluence with updates as I come across them.


Alexander Hitchins

E: a...@alexhitchins.com
W: alexhitchins.com
M: 07788 423 969
T: 01892 523 587

-Original Message-
From: Daan Hoogland [mailto:daan.hoogl...@gmail.com]
Sent: 07 July 2017 21:08
To: dev <dev@cloudstack.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Developer Guide - Current Setup Guide?

Why do you ask, Alex? Is something not working?

Biligual auto correct use.  Read at your own risico


On 7 Jul 2017 9:54 pm, "Alex Hitchins" <a...@alexhitchins.com> wrote:

Hello all,



I note this was last amended 2013, is there a better/more recent
resource for the aspiring CloudStack developer?



https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/
Setting+up+CloudStack
+Development+Environment+on+Linux









Alexander Hitchins



E: a...@alexhitchins.com

W: alexhitchins.com

M: 07788 423 969

T: 01892 523 587







--
Ron Wheeler
President
Artifact Software Inc
email: rwhee...@artifact-software.com
skype: ronaldmwheeler
phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102






--
Ron Wheeler
President
Artifact Software Inc
email: rwhee...@artifact-software.com
skype: ronaldmwheeler
phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102

Re: Developer Guide - Current Setup Guide?

[Daan Hoogland]

We have always given non committers access to the wiki if we knew them
on list. In fact when I (first) joined our group there was no
restriction on the wiki at all.

On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 6:57 PM, Will Stevens <williamstev...@gmail.com> wrote:
> This is what he means:
> https://www.apache.org/dev/new-committers-guide.html#cla
>
> I don't know that it is required for wiki access, but someone probably does
> understand those details.
>
>
> On Jul 10, 2017 12:44 PM, "Alex Hitchins" <a...@alexhitchins.com> wrote:
>
> Sorry, CLA?
>
> Is this the licence? I don't believe I do have one personally. I believe I
> may have an account for the wiki still, will see if I can resurrect it.
>
> Happy to amend the wiki, it is just the process of finding what is out of
> date by trial and error.
>
> The PR I have open, that should be very separate from the wiki though, no?
>
>> On 10 Jul 2017, at 16:10, Ron Wheeler <rwhee...@artifact-software.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Alex,
>> Do you have a CLA on file with Apache.
>> You should have one to contribute to the wiki.
>>
>> Ron
>>
>>> On 10/07/2017 10:42 AM, Daan Hoogland wrote:
>>> create your account on cwiki and we can give you access
>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 12:10 AM, Alex Hitchins <a...@alexhitchins.com>
> wrote:
>>>> Please let me know if there is anything I can do to help with this.
>>>>
>>>> I have an open PR on the repo readme.md, minor documentation change but
> somehow is breaking the build. My guess is it's something unrelated on
> master.
>>>>
>>>>> On 8 Jul 2017, at 22:37, Will Stevens <williamstev...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> We need to amend. As of 4.10 we are on jdk 8.
>>>>>
>>>>> I will have to review it and see what needs to be done to bring it up
> to
>>>>> date.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 8, 2017 4:46 PM, "Alex Hitchins" <a...@alexhitchins.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Asking as I want to be sure I'm getting myself setup correctly.
>>>>>
>>>>> I appreciate setup guides may not necessitate lots of amendments
> however 4
>>>>> years seemed a long time to go with nothing. Are we still on JDK 6 for
>>>>> example?
>>>>>
>>>>> More than happy to amend Confluence with updates as I come across them.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Alexander Hitchins
>>>>> 
>>>>> E: a...@alexhitchins.com
>>>>> W: alexhitchins.com
>>>>> M: 07788 423 969
>>>>> T: 01892 523 587
>>>>>
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: Daan Hoogland [mailto:daan.hoogl...@gmail.com]
>>>>> Sent: 07 July 2017 21:08
>>>>> To: dev <dev@cloudstack.apache.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: Developer Guide - Current Setup Guide?
>>>>>
>>>>> Why do you ask, Alex? Is something not working?
>>>>>
>>>>> Biligual auto correct use.  Read at your own risico
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2017 9:54 pm, "Alex Hitchins" <a...@alexhitchins.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I note this was last amended 2013, is there a better/more recent
>>>>>> resource for the aspiring CloudStack developer?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/
>>>>>> Setting+up+CloudStack
>>>>>> +Development+Environment+on+Linux
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alexander Hitchins
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> E: a...@alexhitchins.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> W: alexhitchins.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> M: 07788 423 969
>>>>>>
>>>>>> T: 01892 523 587
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Ron Wheeler
>> President
>> Artifact Software Inc
>> email: rwhee...@artifact-software.com
>> skype: ronaldmwheeler
>> phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102
>>



-- 
Daan

Re: Developer Guide - Current Setup Guide?

[Will Stevens]

This is what he means:
https://www.apache.org/dev/new-committers-guide.html#cla

I don't know that it is required for wiki access, but someone probably does
understand those details.


On Jul 10, 2017 12:44 PM, "Alex Hitchins" <a...@alexhitchins.com> wrote:

Sorry, CLA?

Is this the licence? I don't believe I do have one personally. I believe I
may have an account for the wiki still, will see if I can resurrect it.

Happy to amend the wiki, it is just the process of finding what is out of
date by trial and error.

The PR I have open, that should be very separate from the wiki though, no?

> On 10 Jul 2017, at 16:10, Ron Wheeler <rwhee...@artifact-software.com>
wrote:
>
> Alex,
> Do you have a CLA on file with Apache.
> You should have one to contribute to the wiki.
>
> Ron
>
>> On 10/07/2017 10:42 AM, Daan Hoogland wrote:
>> create your account on cwiki and we can give you access
>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 12:10 AM, Alex Hitchins <a...@alexhitchins.com>
wrote:
>>> Please let me know if there is anything I can do to help with this.
>>>
>>> I have an open PR on the repo readme.md, minor documentation change but
somehow is breaking the build. My guess is it's something unrelated on
master.
>>>
>>>> On 8 Jul 2017, at 22:37, Will Stevens <williamstev...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> We need to amend. As of 4.10 we are on jdk 8.
>>>>
>>>> I will have to review it and see what needs to be done to bring it up
to
>>>> date.
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 8, 2017 4:46 PM, "Alex Hitchins" <a...@alexhitchins.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Asking as I want to be sure I'm getting myself setup correctly.
>>>>
>>>> I appreciate setup guides may not necessitate lots of amendments
however 4
>>>> years seemed a long time to go with nothing. Are we still on JDK 6 for
>>>> example?
>>>>
>>>> More than happy to amend Confluence with updates as I come across them.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Alexander Hitchins
>>>> 
>>>> E: a...@alexhitchins.com
>>>> W: alexhitchins.com
>>>> M: 07788 423 969
>>>> T: 01892 523 587
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Daan Hoogland [mailto:daan.hoogl...@gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: 07 July 2017 21:08
>>>> To: dev <dev@cloudstack.apache.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: Developer Guide - Current Setup Guide?
>>>>
>>>> Why do you ask, Alex? Is something not working?
>>>>
>>>> Biligual auto correct use.  Read at your own risico
>>>>
>>>>> On 7 Jul 2017 9:54 pm, "Alex Hitchins" <a...@alexhitchins.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I note this was last amended 2013, is there a better/more recent
>>>>> resource for the aspiring CloudStack developer?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/
>>>>> Setting+up+CloudStack
>>>>> +Development+Environment+on+Linux
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Alexander Hitchins
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>> E: a...@alexhitchins.com
>>>>>
>>>>> W: alexhitchins.com
>>>>>
>>>>> M: 07788 423 969
>>>>>
>>>>> T: 01892 523 587
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Ron Wheeler
> President
> Artifact Software Inc
> email: rwhee...@artifact-software.com
> skype: ronaldmwheeler
> phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102
>

Re: Developer Guide - Current Setup Guide?

[Alex Hitchins]

Sorry, CLA?

Is this the licence? I don't believe I do have one personally. I believe I may 
have an account for the wiki still, will see if I can resurrect it.

Happy to amend the wiki, it is just the process of finding what is out of date 
by trial and error.

The PR I have open, that should be very separate from the wiki though, no? 

> On 10 Jul 2017, at 16:10, Ron Wheeler <rwhee...@artifact-software.com> wrote:
> 
> Alex,
> Do you have a CLA on file with Apache.
> You should have one to contribute to the wiki.
> 
> Ron
> 
>> On 10/07/2017 10:42 AM, Daan Hoogland wrote:
>> create your account on cwiki and we can give you access
>> 
>>> On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 12:10 AM, Alex Hitchins <a...@alexhitchins.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> Please let me know if there is anything I can do to help with this.
>>> 
>>> I have an open PR on the repo readme.md, minor documentation change but 
>>> somehow is breaking the build. My guess is it's something unrelated on 
>>> master.
>>> 
>>>> On 8 Jul 2017, at 22:37, Will Stevens <williamstev...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> We need to amend. As of 4.10 we are on jdk 8.
>>>> 
>>>> I will have to review it and see what needs to be done to bring it up to
>>>> date.
>>>> 
>>>> On Jul 8, 2017 4:46 PM, "Alex Hitchins" <a...@alexhitchins.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Asking as I want to be sure I'm getting myself setup correctly.
>>>> 
>>>> I appreciate setup guides may not necessitate lots of amendments however 4
>>>> years seemed a long time to go with nothing. Are we still on JDK 6 for
>>>> example?
>>>> 
>>>> More than happy to amend Confluence with updates as I come across them.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Alexander Hitchins
>>>> 
>>>> E: a...@alexhitchins.com
>>>> W: alexhitchins.com
>>>> M: 07788 423 969
>>>> T: 01892 523 587
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Daan Hoogland [mailto:daan.hoogl...@gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: 07 July 2017 21:08
>>>> To: dev <dev@cloudstack.apache.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: Developer Guide - Current Setup Guide?
>>>> 
>>>> Why do you ask, Alex? Is something not working?
>>>> 
>>>> Biligual auto correct use.  Read at your own risico
>>>> 
>>>>> On 7 Jul 2017 9:54 pm, "Alex Hitchins" <a...@alexhitchins.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I note this was last amended 2013, is there a better/more recent
>>>>> resource for the aspiring CloudStack developer?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/
>>>>> Setting+up+CloudStack
>>>>> +Development+Environment+on+Linux
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Alexander Hitchins
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> E: a...@alexhitchins.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> W: alexhitchins.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> M: 07788 423 969
>>>>> 
>>>>> T: 01892 523 587
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> -- 
> Ron Wheeler
> President
> Artifact Software Inc
> email: rwhee...@artifact-software.com
> skype: ronaldmwheeler
> phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102
> 

Re: Developer Guide - Current Setup Guide?

[Daan Hoogland]

Why do you say that Ron? You need one to become a committer. for the
wiki we need to recognise you as a contributor. I think you need no
more.

On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 5:10 PM, Ron Wheeler
<rwhee...@artifact-software.com> wrote:
> Alex,
> Do you have a CLA on file with Apache.
> You should have one to contribute to the wiki.
>
> Ron
>
> On 10/07/2017 10:42 AM, Daan Hoogland wrote:
>>
>> create your account on cwiki and we can give you access
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 12:10 AM, Alex Hitchins <a...@alexhitchins.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Please let me know if there is anything I can do to help with this.
>>>
>>> I have an open PR on the repo readme.md, minor documentation change but
>>> somehow is breaking the build. My guess is it's something unrelated on
>>> master.
>>>
>>>> On 8 Jul 2017, at 22:37, Will Stevens <williamstev...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> We need to amend. As of 4.10 we are on jdk 8.
>>>>
>>>> I will have to review it and see what needs to be done to bring it up to
>>>> date.
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 8, 2017 4:46 PM, "Alex Hitchins" <a...@alexhitchins.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Asking as I want to be sure I'm getting myself setup correctly.
>>>>
>>>> I appreciate setup guides may not necessitate lots of amendments however
>>>> 4
>>>> years seemed a long time to go with nothing. Are we still on JDK 6 for
>>>> example?
>>>>
>>>> More than happy to amend Confluence with updates as I come across them.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Alexander Hitchins
>>>> 
>>>> E: a...@alexhitchins.com
>>>> W: alexhitchins.com
>>>> M: 07788 423 969
>>>> T: 01892 523 587
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Daan Hoogland [mailto:daan.hoogl...@gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: 07 July 2017 21:08
>>>> To: dev <dev@cloudstack.apache.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: Developer Guide - Current Setup Guide?
>>>>
>>>> Why do you ask, Alex? Is something not working?
>>>>
>>>> Biligual auto correct use.  Read at your own risico
>>>>
>>>>> On 7 Jul 2017 9:54 pm, "Alex Hitchins" <a...@alexhitchins.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I note this was last amended 2013, is there a better/more recent
>>>>> resource for the aspiring CloudStack developer?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/
>>>>> Setting+up+CloudStack
>>>>> +Development+Environment+on+Linux
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Alexander Hitchins
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>> E: a...@alexhitchins.com
>>>>>
>>>>> W: alexhitchins.com
>>>>>
>>>>> M: 07788 423 969
>>>>>
>>>>> T: 01892 523 587
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Ron Wheeler
> President
> Artifact Software Inc
> email: rwhee...@artifact-software.com
> skype: ronaldmwheeler
> phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102
>



-- 
Daan

Re: Developer Guide - Current Setup Guide?

[Ron Wheeler]

Alex,
Do you have a CLA on file with Apache.
You should have one to contribute to the wiki.

Ron

On 10/07/2017 10:42 AM, Daan Hoogland wrote:

create your account on cwiki and we can give you access

On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 12:10 AM, Alex Hitchins <a...@alexhitchins.com> wrote:

Please let me know if there is anything I can do to help with this.

I have an open PR on the repo readme.md, minor documentation change but somehow 
is breaking the build. My guess is it's something unrelated on master.


On 8 Jul 2017, at 22:37, Will Stevens <williamstev...@gmail.com> wrote:

We need to amend. As of 4.10 we are on jdk 8.

I will have to review it and see what needs to be done to bring it up to
date.

On Jul 8, 2017 4:46 PM, "Alex Hitchins" <a...@alexhitchins.com> wrote:

Asking as I want to be sure I'm getting myself setup correctly.

I appreciate setup guides may not necessitate lots of amendments however 4
years seemed a long time to go with nothing. Are we still on JDK 6 for
example?

More than happy to amend Confluence with updates as I come across them.


Alexander Hitchins

E: a...@alexhitchins.com
W: alexhitchins.com
M: 07788 423 969
T: 01892 523 587

-Original Message-
From: Daan Hoogland [mailto:daan.hoogl...@gmail.com]
Sent: 07 July 2017 21:08
To: dev <dev@cloudstack.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Developer Guide - Current Setup Guide?

Why do you ask, Alex? Is something not working?

Biligual auto correct use.  Read at your own risico


On 7 Jul 2017 9:54 pm, "Alex Hitchins" <a...@alexhitchins.com> wrote:

Hello all,



I note this was last amended 2013, is there a better/more recent
resource for the aspiring CloudStack developer?



https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/
Setting+up+CloudStack
+Development+Environment+on+Linux









Alexander Hitchins



E: a...@alexhitchins.com

W: alexhitchins.com

M: 07788 423 969

T: 01892 523 587









--
Ron Wheeler
President
Artifact Software Inc
email: rwhee...@artifact-software.com
skype: ronaldmwheeler
phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102

Re: Developer Guide - Current Setup Guide?

[Daan Hoogland]

create your account on cwiki and we can give you access

On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 12:10 AM, Alex Hitchins <a...@alexhitchins.com> wrote:
> Please let me know if there is anything I can do to help with this.
>
> I have an open PR on the repo readme.md, minor documentation change but 
> somehow is breaking the build. My guess is it's something unrelated on master.
>
>> On 8 Jul 2017, at 22:37, Will Stevens <williamstev...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> We need to amend. As of 4.10 we are on jdk 8.
>>
>> I will have to review it and see what needs to be done to bring it up to
>> date.
>>
>> On Jul 8, 2017 4:46 PM, "Alex Hitchins" <a...@alexhitchins.com> wrote:
>>
>> Asking as I want to be sure I'm getting myself setup correctly.
>>
>> I appreciate setup guides may not necessitate lots of amendments however 4
>> years seemed a long time to go with nothing. Are we still on JDK 6 for
>> example?
>>
>> More than happy to amend Confluence with updates as I come across them.
>>
>>
>> Alexander Hitchins
>> 
>> E: a...@alexhitchins.com
>> W: alexhitchins.com
>> M: 07788 423 969
>> T: 01892 523 587
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Daan Hoogland [mailto:daan.hoogl...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: 07 July 2017 21:08
>> To: dev <dev@cloudstack.apache.org>
>> Subject: Re: Developer Guide - Current Setup Guide?
>>
>> Why do you ask, Alex? Is something not working?
>>
>> Biligual auto correct use.  Read at your own risico
>>
>>> On 7 Jul 2017 9:54 pm, "Alex Hitchins" <a...@alexhitchins.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I note this was last amended 2013, is there a better/more recent
>>> resource for the aspiring CloudStack developer?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/
>>> Setting+up+CloudStack
>>> +Development+Environment+on+Linux
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Alexander Hitchins
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> E: a...@alexhitchins.com
>>>
>>> W: alexhitchins.com
>>>
>>> M: 07788 423 969
>>>
>>> T: 01892 523 587
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>



-- 
Daan

Re: Developer Guide - Current Setup Guide?

[Alex Hitchins]

Please let me know if there is anything I can do to help with this.

I have an open PR on the repo readme.md, minor documentation change but somehow 
is breaking the build. My guess is it's something unrelated on master.

> On 8 Jul 2017, at 22:37, Will Stevens <williamstev...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> We need to amend. As of 4.10 we are on jdk 8.
> 
> I will have to review it and see what needs to be done to bring it up to
> date.
> 
> On Jul 8, 2017 4:46 PM, "Alex Hitchins" <a...@alexhitchins.com> wrote:
> 
> Asking as I want to be sure I'm getting myself setup correctly.
> 
> I appreciate setup guides may not necessitate lots of amendments however 4
> years seemed a long time to go with nothing. Are we still on JDK 6 for
> example?
> 
> More than happy to amend Confluence with updates as I come across them.
> 
> 
> Alexander Hitchins
> 
> E: a...@alexhitchins.com
> W: alexhitchins.com
> M: 07788 423 969
> T: 01892 523 587
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Daan Hoogland [mailto:daan.hoogl...@gmail.com]
> Sent: 07 July 2017 21:08
> To: dev <dev@cloudstack.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: Developer Guide - Current Setup Guide?
> 
> Why do you ask, Alex? Is something not working?
> 
> Biligual auto correct use.  Read at your own risico
> 
>> On 7 Jul 2017 9:54 pm, "Alex Hitchins" <a...@alexhitchins.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I note this was last amended 2013, is there a better/more recent
>> resource for the aspiring CloudStack developer?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/
>> Setting+up+CloudStack
>> +Development+Environment+on+Linux
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Alexander Hitchins
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> E: a...@alexhitchins.com
>> 
>> W: alexhitchins.com
>> 
>> M: 07788 423 969
>> 
>> T: 01892 523 587
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 

RE: Developer Guide - Current Setup Guide?

[Will Stevens]

We need to amend. As of 4.10 we are on jdk 8.

I will have to review it and see what needs to be done to bring it up to
date.

On Jul 8, 2017 4:46 PM, "Alex Hitchins" <a...@alexhitchins.com> wrote:

Asking as I want to be sure I'm getting myself setup correctly.

I appreciate setup guides may not necessitate lots of amendments however 4
years seemed a long time to go with nothing. Are we still on JDK 6 for
example?

More than happy to amend Confluence with updates as I come across them.


Alexander Hitchins

E: a...@alexhitchins.com
W: alexhitchins.com
M: 07788 423 969
T: 01892 523 587

-Original Message-
From: Daan Hoogland [mailto:daan.hoogl...@gmail.com]
Sent: 07 July 2017 21:08
To: dev <dev@cloudstack.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Developer Guide - Current Setup Guide?

Why do you ask, Alex? Is something not working?

Biligual auto correct use.  Read at your own risico

On 7 Jul 2017 9:54 pm, "Alex Hitchins" <a...@alexhitchins.com> wrote:

> Hello all,
>
>
>
> I note this was last amended 2013, is there a better/more recent
> resource for the aspiring CloudStack developer?
>
>
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/
> Setting+up+CloudStack
> +Development+Environment+on+Linux
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Alexander Hitchins
>
> 
>
> E: a...@alexhitchins.com
>
> W: alexhitchins.com
>
> M: 07788 423 969
>
> T: 01892 523 587
>
>
>
>

RE: Developer Guide - Current Setup Guide?

[Alex Hitchins]

Asking as I want to be sure I'm getting myself setup correctly.

I appreciate setup guides may not necessitate lots of amendments however 4 
years seemed a long time to go with nothing. Are we still on JDK 6 for example?

More than happy to amend Confluence with updates as I come across them.  


Alexander Hitchins

E: a...@alexhitchins.com
W: alexhitchins.com
M: 07788 423 969
T: 01892 523 587

-Original Message-
From: Daan Hoogland [mailto:daan.hoogl...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 07 July 2017 21:08
To: dev <dev@cloudstack.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Developer Guide - Current Setup Guide?

Why do you ask, Alex? Is something not working?

Biligual auto correct use.  Read at your own risico

On 7 Jul 2017 9:54 pm, "Alex Hitchins" <a...@alexhitchins.com> wrote:

> Hello all,
>
>
>
> I note this was last amended 2013, is there a better/more recent 
> resource for the aspiring CloudStack developer?
>
>
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/
> Setting+up+CloudStack
> +Development+Environment+on+Linux
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Alexander Hitchins
>
> 
>
> E: a...@alexhitchins.com
>
> W: alexhitchins.com
>
> M: 07788 423 969
>
> T: 01892 523 587
>
>
>
>

Re: Developer Guide - Current Setup Guide?

[Daan Hoogland]

Why do you ask, Alex? Is something not working?

Biligual auto correct use.  Read at your own risico

On 7 Jul 2017 9:54 pm, "Alex Hitchins"  wrote:

> Hello all,
>
>
>
> I note this was last amended 2013, is there a better/more recent resource
> for the aspiring CloudStack developer?
>
>
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/
> Setting+up+CloudStack
> +Development+Environment+on+Linux
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Alexander Hitchins
>
> 
>
> E: a...@alexhitchins.com
>
> W: alexhitchins.com
>
> M: 07788 423 969
>
> T: 01892 523 587
>
>
>
>

Developer Guide - Current Setup Guide?

[Alex Hitchins]

Hello all,

 

I note this was last amended 2013, is there a better/more recent resource
for the aspiring CloudStack developer?

 

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Setting+up+CloudStack
+Development+Environment+on+Linux

 

 

 

 

Alexander Hitchins



E: a...@alexhitchins.com

W: alexhitchins.com

M: 07788 423 969

T: 01892 523 587